>has multiplayer
>no loading screens
>can own multiple ships
this is much better than starfield
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>has multiplayer. >no loading screens. >can own multiple ships
>has multiplayer
>no loading screens
>can own multiple ships
this is much better than starfield
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I think Starfield has a better chance of being good because it actually exists.
Star Citizen has been out in early access state for years. There's just not much to do and it's very sandbox in not a good way, basically devs just expect you to find ways to have fun with it yourself instead of adding any interesting content or game mechanics.
star citizen is less a game and more an investment that thousands of people have made in hopes of it paying off, too bad it won't
Dumb people deserve to be scammed.
>it's people s fault if they re ignorant, wtf is determinism lmao ought to know better when you left your moms vag
are you black? autistic? both?
It's a game and you can buy it for $60. Some morons have spent thousands on it, but that happens in pretty much any online multiplayer game with a cash shop today.
this is like saying that maplestory is a free game, like, yeah it's kinda true but it's not
the most appropriate example is black desert, you buy the fricking thing and you have a cash shop ingame to buy crap as well.
But can you own a yacht?
You can own several, as long as you make morons pay for them.
that left pic really TICKLES my fancy, if you know what i mean
I really don't.
>deleted
that's fricking hilarious, actual cult behavior
you could say the 890 jump is a space yacht
https://www.youtube.com/@FailureToReport
thee only channel you will find somone critically critiquing the dumpsterfire of a "game"
Star Citizen is so fricking boring
This is coming from someone who has spent around $450 dollars to own a Drake Cutlass Black and ARGO Mole besides my Mustang base pack.
It takes triple digit IQ to have fun in SC,oh and friends too
>oh and friends too
Black person why do you think I bought the mole? We were running a 3 man mining operation, and it was fun, very fun, for like 2 days until we realised that we were just spending hours doing the same 2 minigame for hours mining Quantanium. There was no emergent gameplay about it, just go to asteroid area, survey for Quantanium, mine it with a process that is essentially just a minigame, and then race to a refinery. Nothing interesting ever happened while doing it.
Spent 2 whole days having fun with an incomplete game loop? That sounds promising, it's an easy thing to later add random events to spice things up like being radied by pirates or whatever deep rock does
>Don't worry guys, in another decade they will flesh out the game so that things happen to make the game fun, it will be easy for them once they get round to it.
>Once X is done it will really open up the floodgates for them to do Y
This has been what they were saying since the dawn of time.
>Spent 2 whole days having fun with an incomplete game loop? That sounds promising
>once they get everything moved over to lumberyard, THEN the content will come
>once they finish up alpha 3.0, THEN the content will come
>once they finish up network bind culling, THEN the content will come
>once they implement client side OCS, THEN the content will come
>once they implement server side OCS, THEN the content will come
>once they implement server meshing, THEN the content will come
>once they implement iCache, THEN the content will come
>once they implement long term persistence, THEN the content will come
>once they transition to staggered development, THEN the content will come
The content is here, anon. There is a persistent multiplayer universe you can play in right now.
>BUT THIS FEATURE ISNT IN YET THEREFORE GAME IS SCAM
God I can't wait for Starfield to release so the "modders will fix it" cope floods the board when the game turns out to be anther Bethesda Classic.
>There is a persistent multiplayer universe* you can play in right now.
*one system with a handful of planets which are 99.95% empty plains
> a handful of planets which are 99.95% empty plains
But enough about Starfield, LMAO
The best content gets removed though
>friends
You're not going to have any soon because everyone who actually wants a space game will be playing Starfield lmao
Then why did this anon spend nearly $500 on a ship you could just buy with in game credits?
because he's stupid
Because I'm not poor, that's like 2 hours of work
>450 for 2 hours
What do you do?
he sucks wieners
>moron gets scammed out of his money
>This is the game's fault
but is it out yet?
Starfield? No. It's still nowhere to be seen and very likely going to be delayed again.
Star Citizen? Yes. You can play it right now in early access if you want for 45$. Free weekend/week should be around the corner for 0$.
>its out
damn the game must suck if nobody ever talks about it
Free weekend will never come.
Starfield will fully release in two months and will be the next milestone in gaming and will be enjoyed for the next decade.
Star Citizen has been in development without a full release date for over 10 years despite having a $63 million dollar budget.
>$63 million dollar budget.
I thought this crowd funded half a billion dollars
>$63 million dollar budget
no sweetie
it's 580 million budget, half a billion dollars
Free flights are absolutely terrible. Servers are massively laggy and unplayable.
You guys just had a fricking massive wipe even when everyone took the steps CIG posted to prevent ships from getting wiped.
Star Citizen continues to be a laughing stock filled with delusional patrons.
>No. It's still nowhere to be seen and very likely going to be delayed again.
Mindbroken.
>game is so shit they have to give it away for free shortly after release
LMAO
>better than bethesda slop
That's not a very high bar tho
>Starfield
Is a game
>Star Citizen
Is NFTs
Starfield is everything Star Citizen is trying to do minus the multiplayer. I was skeptical at first but the Starfield Direct proved to me the Star Citizen devs have no idea what they're doing.
Wow that's starfield or star citizen? That's awesome wienerpit
That's the wienerpit of the Hornet from Star Citizen.
>the wienerpit of the Hornet
$150 for that lel
$150 and its combat performance is sub par at best. The $90 Arrow can fly circles around it.
Thankfully all those big homosexual ships the star citizen morons paid millions for will be free mods in shitfield.
>can own multiple ships
You also can do that in Starfield, but most importantly you can STEAL multiple ships
>no loading screens
But 20 min to travel planet to planet, hope you guys have FUN
The best part of Starfield is that you don't have to pay hundreds of real life dollars to own multiple ships unlike Star Citizen
You can buy (almost) every ship in the game using ingame credits.
>Hey anon just buy the ship ingame
'Attention Citizens, we will be doing a hard reset of all non-store-bought ships in the next patch'
'Attention Citizens, we will not be doing a hard reset of all non-store-bought ships in the next patch (oops tee-hee it happened anyway)'
'Attention Citizens, oops tee-hee'
>Hard reset on non store bought ships
What the actual frick? I grind for days and my ship gets unshipped? How does this game still have players?
>start game with $45 ship
>can't bounty hunt anything past basic ships
>have to rely on ground missions
>ground missions bug out constantly setting you back to square one in reputation and gear
>it takes literal days of the same repetitive and bug filled gameplay to buy even the second cheapest ship
All the Black folk saying "you can buy ships in game" are already sitting in ships capable of chaining bounties for a tidy profit, any type of gameplay loop that's not warp-shoot-warp is bugged and a fricking misery to actually experience.
>>can't bounty hunt anything past basic ships
Skill issue. There are plenty of youtube videos of people soloing the hardest missions in the game with the basic b***h ships. In fact, the Mustang is often used in speedrunning these missions, because it is one of the most maneuverable craft in the game.
Chris stop shilling and go back working on the fricking game you dunce.
>Cryengine
game was doomed from the start
Doesn't it use Amazons Lumberyard iirc?
Lumberyard is a fork of Cryengine
It's been a huge failure and played a big role in the death of Amazon Game Studios too. Awful engine.
i hope you like a fricking trains in this train simulator, homie
>Also is a nft scam
>Every cost real money
>Fuel cost real money
>Is a money laundering project
>Literally getting funding of $400000+ on daily basis
>Even an 4070 can't run this game at stable 30fps
>Still in alfa beta gamma shit phase
only last part is true
>paying almost 3,000 dollars for a virtual ship for a game that will never be finished
Who wouldn't want to play Fart Shitizen?
2700 US$?
HOLY FRICK!!!
I thought, 150$ was bad.
If you are THAT fricking desperate for some shitty space game, just pirate Toddfield at that point.
This what are called macro transations. Not micro, macro. What really gets me is being told that Star Citizens is "by gamers, for gamers" and "this is the dream of crowdfunding and being able to make it big without awful companies like EA."
Turns out EA isn't awful just because they want to be evil but because they're big and any company that gets big becomes shit. Same goes for countries too by the way.
But Chris Roberts was never good and took credit from talented people around him like Warren Spector. He doesn't even like or respect video games and his real dream was to be a Hollywood director.
Maybe one day he will announce that they're filming a 2 hour long movie to serve as an advertisement for their game
those are the largest ships in the game behind the actual carrier, it's kind of a disingenuous image and the game isn't even being designed around massive ship combat
>Even an 4070 can't run this game at stable 30fps
You need at least 32gb ram to play this game smoothly. GPU isn't such a big deal.
Doesn't it have some weird shit where it runs better on higher graphical settings because otherwise a ton of graphics processing is done on the server?
Why does Ganker always say it's money laundering?
Whose money is being cleaned and where can it go?
Do you even know what the words you use mean?
>multiplayer
That's all I needed to know starfield is better.
Scam citizen is EVEN WORSE than Toddfield somehow.
Look at this! More than 100$ for a FAKE SPACESHIP in a SCAM GAME!!!
>100+ for a ship
Umm... Thats not even ship, you're playing 150$ for a paint and a character skin set
>Also includes
you are defending paying $100+ for a ship
how deep is Robert's wiener down your throat?
TF no! I make fun of people who pay 100+ $ for a shitty spaceship in a scam. Did you read my comment? Did I formulate it wrong?
>>hit and run light fighters are an adventure
>bit tone death innet
???
(I like hit and run tactics, but what does this have to do with any of this?)
>hit and run light fighters are an adventure
bit tone death innet
>6 month insurance
From what I understand insurance doesn't do anything in the current version of the game, but in the full game you'd need insurance or else you lose your ship on death.
>Spend $150 on an in-game item
>If you lose it 7 months later it is gone
lmao
You can buy more insurance for in game currency. Well in theory, again this is a mechanic that as far as I know has no actual use yet.
>Donate 150 dollars to the game's development and get in-game perks
Fixed. What kind of loser "invests" in virtual space ships? Just spend 45 dollars on the base game and play, or donate more to the development of the game.
It's not a donation and anyone trying to spin it as such is a shameless shill or someone coping hard trying to justify their own purchase
Yes it is a Donation, it always was, they started it up right after their kickstarter ended to continue to allow people to support development.
That didn't stop morons (likely including you) from treating them as investments and buying them like funko-pops. But rich paypiggies gonna paypiggy.
>It's a donation
>Refund policy for 'donations' is dictated by laws on digital purchases
It's framed as a donation by RSI, that's why the ships are so expensive IRL compared to how hard they are to obtain in game. Is it designed to milk whales into spending thousands? Sure. Is it pay2win? Absolutely not. Me and my friends all spent 30 dollars on the game and we'll be hacking and jacking ships "worth" thousands of dollars.
>It's framed as a donation
It's a purchase
by the EULA and ToS it's a donation to development which nothing is 100%
it's just legalese shit to prevent people from dragging RSI to the court and raping every single cent out of that con man.
>by the EULA and ToS
Literally irrelevant. It's a digital purchase.
>Buy overpriced virtual space ship
>Receieve overpriced virtual spaceship
>Can play with overpriced virtual space ship in the video game right now
>Can get a refund if you no longer wish to play.
Why is he a con man again?
>Buy overpriced virtual space ship
>'Yeah we put a pin in that ship so you won't be getting it this year either'
>Can switch out to another ship in their lineup at the same pricepoint
Wow, it's like you don't actually know anything about Star Citizen.
>You can't have the thing you paid for, please be placated by this other thing you didn't want and don't ask for a refund on the thing you paid for
>Buy ship in concept phase
>"WOOOOOW I CANT ACTUALLY PLAY THE THING I BOUGHT, WHAT A SCAM"
Okay, if you want you can swtich it for a ship that is already in the ga-
>WOOOOOW I DONT WANT OTHER SHIPS, REFUNDED!
Okay, your money is refunded.
>WOOOOW IM GONNA TELL ALL MY FRIENDS ON Ganker HOW MUCH OF A CON MAN CHRIS ROBERTS IS
>Buy BMM
>Here is a loaner while we work on the BMM
>So yeah we stopped working on the BMM because it's taking too much effort for just one ship
>So yeah we stopped working on the BMM because it's taking too much effort for just one ship
This has never happened for any ship in Star Citizen, please stop lying homosexual. You gays all just make shit up, because it's all you have left.
>This has never happened for any ship in Star Citizen
>Put a pin in it and do something which is a better use of our time
>Lets make smaller ships
>"Put a pin in it" is the same as "Stopped working on"
The Merchentman's core concept requires NPC crew, which isn't a thing yet. So good, I want them working on ships that have their full functionality ready to go instead.
Don't tell me you actually bought one and are seething that it's still not in the game? It's not like they cancelled it bro.
>I want them working on ships that have their full functionality ready to go instead
Like the MSR? Like the Reliant Mako? Like the Nautilus? Like the Cutlass Red?
DRG's cosmetic packs are a "donation"
this shit is pay2win. pure and simple.
This is what everything wrong with modern gaming and moron consoomers, they can clearly see this a scam project and they are earning millions while doing nothing
Gamers are the worst most braindead consoomer they will consoome every shit and then go make video How starfield is the best game to ever made
I am pretty sure that is some kind of fetish. Everyone knows that this game is a scam, but they still buy it and buy shitty ships in the game.
It's like how some people like getting beaten up and dominated.
This is the closest thing to a hammer in Scam Citizen!
What a scam!
Still selling recolors for money?
I played a demo on the original xbox of some mech game that may have been armored core
Can I join the vet club?
Squadron 42 will be cancelled.
>>no loading screens
and what does it have to sacrifice over starfield to achieve this
>has multiplayer
unplayable trash
frick multiplayer as a concept
At least Todd's game will actually release in this century
Kek, 6th September gonna be a dark day for ScamCitizen.
no matter how bad starfield may be, it will actually release, now post them faces when you didn't buy into this moronic scam
Frick off Scam Shitizen shill, no one is joining your cult.
>you can drop a coffee mug on some planet and it will be there forever
But enough about New Vegas
people gave this man hundreds of millions and basically you're sitting poor and alone in your room like a fricking moron
i don't like scamming people it makes me feel bad
wow, he really made it huh? i bet he feels really fulfilled, alone with a prostitute merely here for his money, on his boat, alone. after cumming 2 or 3 times im sure he is FILLED with serenity you dumb youngster. hes an insecure gay like most of you, i bet his lfie is fkin miserable, like most of these people who try to drown and cope with their sorrow with the help of drugs, attention and othert moronic activities which they pretend to be fun
you still cant do that
NPCs cant even sit in fricking chairs yet.
>try to enjoy scam citizen
>game runs like shit
>crashes a hundred times
>cargo clips through the wall
>I clip through the wall
>the game crashes again
ebin gameplay
just play starsector dawg
I did
for about 900 hours
I also spent many hundreds of hours making and managing mods for it
top 5 game of all time for me
I'm going to save you all a lot of time so you can all move onto Starfield, thank me later.
I've seen and heard of several stories like this personally locally. Gacha games or those mobile MMOs. It's odd. I had one extended family member that played destiny 2 and just ate that slop and ignored his kids.
AAA studios hire psychologists to assist in developing gameplay loops because they want to cause this kind of effect in the people playing their games
psychologists are evil.
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/jobs?job_id=11
Of course they would put it as positively as possible in the job offer since anybody can go look at it.
I remember pointing out in 2015 that this would eventually happen. They take so fricking long that some competing space game will come out and eat their lunch. 75% of what was interesting about Star Citizen is gone now that there's a competing space game.
The funny part is that you know Roberts will react to Starfield by just telling the team to junk and bunch of stuff and start over, so the whole thing will be delayed another 5 years
100% He's gonna add modular ships like Starfield, gimping every currently sold ship but adding a whole new marketplace for module parts for the paypigs.
This of course will take 4-6 years of reworking every ship and system in the game.
I'm convinced the on foot expansion for elite dangerous was pushed out the door unfinished to wring out extra money expecting the upcoming xbox event to show more of starfield than it did and kill interest
Multiplayer is a huge ass feature though
Like if starfied had it star cit would be completely obsolete but it doesnt
That's what I mean tho. The draw of Star Citizen started off as 'you can explore a vast galaxy while being anything you want' now the draw is just 'but we have multiplayer'.
And Im pretty sure that if they decided to add multiplayer to Starfield or make a FO76 type multiplayer addon, it would STILL come out before Star Citizen
>or make a FO76 type multiplayer addon, it would STILL come out before Star Citizen
especially considering they already did most of the work to make the engine support multiplayer
I think what a lot of people like about Starfield is the singleplayer. You don't need to interact with others and with modding, you can make it your own universe with very few limits.
This is why I'm going to buy Starfield, finally a space game without absolutely any subhuman other players to ruin my experience and no always online live-service bullshit preventing modding.
Yep. There is so many possibilies for what you can do. Wanna go full tactical shooter? It can be done. Wanna build your very own Millenium Falcon or 40k Imperial ship. Someone will mod it in. The possibilities are endless.
>buy
the great thing about fallout in space is that creation engine does not have DRM
Realistically, who wants to grind in an MP game for weeks to actually be able to have a little fun? This is why Singleplayer will always be king. Also I will be able to mod it to my heart's content.
If AI similar to how we have chat bots now advances enough for NPCs to act better than human players and fill a role that is more immersive for role play it would kill a lot of MMOs with the exception perhaps of metaverse type social applications like VR Chat.
Imagine firing up a singleplayer game similar to an MMO in scale and being able to chat with NPCs instead of only having the option to select predetermined set of dialog text.
I could see that... Could it be the future of gaming?,The scale of an MMO without a grind...
This is a dream that may never really arrive due to how cauterized some of the AI models are in terms of "not saying """bad""" things to avoid hurting feelies".
Don't get me wrong, this is also my dream that something like this comes along in my lifetime. I just hope that they either implement unbound AI software or some passionate modder can insert their own deep-learning language model into these games.
I want an actual reason to grind and you can have fun straight away in multiplayer
Single player always feels boring
Fair enough I guess... I just don't like MMO grinding since it feels like work and I play video games to have fun
you say you like MMOs until your shitty game releases and Ganker makes a pirate corp and butt fricks you
It will take around 10 to 20 years at the current pace of features being added to the PU.
SQ42 releasing within the next 5 years is more reasonable since that is where most of the money backed is going.
By then Space engineers 2 would have released which is more interesting that Starfield and potentially even star citizen.
VRAGE3 for SE2 looks promising I think clang will finally be eliminated and excited for the fluid simulation in that game.
Space engineers fills a niche that isn't by SC and SF, the focus is different more towards designing ships and bases using voxels with higher simulation detail than starfield and in some areas even SC.
Space engineers is not as detailed as SC flight model wise, it isn't anywhere near as role play focused as star citizen, multiplayer is more lobby based and not as ambitious scale wise, but if you are into designing Ships and bases with more engineering and tuning autism involved and not casualised completed lego blocks it does it at a more detailed level than starfield.
Starfield will be nice to fire up for a long singleplayer campaign and mods.
You can't winnem all, SC is trying to do everything and be a mutiplayer which is far too ambitious and hard to achieve. if they pull it off in the long run it will be nuts but for now there are space games that fill respective niches on par or better both online and singleplayer without as many infuriating bugs
>Salvage
Hardspace Shipbreaker does it better
>Space Trucking
ED and Starfield are more stable, cargo hauling is fun in SC due to space legs but server stability makes it a pain and SF will have you walking about anyway with shiny graphics that are at least comparable or better.
>Space Pew Pew
Tie Fighter vs Xwing, old game but has native VR support with a mod. Hell even ED has native VR support and a lot of the sound effects are nicer despite being a grindfest.
>drug running / smuggling
Starfield perhaps and ED
>Role playing
Starfield, Mass Effect 1, KoTOR
>all those space game gameplays and niches at the end
You left out Starsector on trucking, pew-pew, smuggling and (somewhat) RP too.
If you didn't include Starsector because you didn't play it yet, then boy... go and play it because it's pretty unique.
I'll add to my backlog when I get sick of playing SC, might move to Starfield for a while and ACVI.
I think the problem for Star Citizen is that the vast majority of people just want one game of this type.
Not:
>space game that does X
>space game that does Y
>etc
I've sunk a fair amount of money into SC and I would honestly prefer someone do the same but singleplayer since you will not have to deal with network related limitations.
Well don't worry. CIG are making exactly that game and it is called Squadron 42!
SQ42 seems like it will be fun but it is basically a movie game that I will likely only play once or twice at most and won't sink anywhere near as much time into as the PU.
The PU is what most people wanted when they sunk money into ships and most of the budget is not going into it because they decided after development kicked off to attempt server meshing due to technical limitations of hosting thousands of players on a single server for the entire game's universe without loading screens.
Even if they pull off dynamic server meshing it will not solve all issues faced in the game.
One annoying example is the physics, infuriating to no end basically the equivalent of clang in space engineers for items you physically place in close proximity to one another.
Given how many challenges they are facing with PES and all the bugs around it that are yet to be squashed Server meshing in its various stages is going to break the game so hard.
Post yfw Mark Hamill and Gary Oldman are both going to die before S42 comes out.
I think you might want to play Starfield instead. Or something else, maybe even that upcoming freelancer inspired game called underspace.
neither are on ps5
Yeah because PS5 has no games.
>man best known for lying about space game and not actually delivering space game
the fact people threw money at this invalidates all economic theory of the past 250 years
'Star Citizen' is a research study conducted by the University of Oxford to measure how much money people will give to an "ideas guy" with no proven record of releasing anything. While this study was originally planned to end in 2017, it has now been extended to 2033 due to the unprecedented amount of subjects continuing to join.
Thank you for your interest in the study.
*proven record of not releasing anything
ftfy
you can own multiple ships in starfield
can't wait for someone to rip all of SC's usable assets and put them into Starfield.
.
Multiplayer is a bad thing. It means the game is balanced around grinding days of your life away doing mundane tasks to get anywhere. It means the AI is either an aimbot 1 tapping you or basically nonfunctional and glitching through walls depending on the server performance. It means the game constantly feels unresponsive because the servers are stressed and will frequently just kick you out and slap you with a 30k error because the server went kaput and now you've lost a bunch of time and progress because you can't just save and load like in a singleplayer game.
Co-op is based but multiplayer, especially MMO style can go jump off a fricking cliff.
Soon enough there will be an entire generation of humans born after star citizen was a dream. It still won't be a playable game. Let that sink in.
>vaporware
Is pretty good though.
homie THAT'S VAPORWAVE.
shut the frick up wanna be black zoomer
why the frick would i want to become an american?
How is he black zoomer the only I'm seeing is you for an opinion.
>Facepalm
>has multiplayer
dropped
I think there's something wrong with my calendar. It seems to be a couple years ahead of reality.
>has multiplayer
dropped
Starfield
>Board enemy ship
>It's mine now
Scam Citizen
>Grind 60 hours a week for a year in order to afford medium sized ship
>Keep grinding to pay for ship insurance
>Serves get wiped and all progress is gone
>"If you bought the ship with real money it would still be here. Now get back to grinding, chud"
>Start grinding again until the next wipe
>Grind for 12 months for a mid ship
>Finally go out to play some PVP
>Instantly get destroyed by a clan of whales with endgame ships only achievable by grinding for 3 years or paying $2500
>Start again
Game of the year 2015
Actually, you can board and steal the ships of other players. Keep living in your delusional fantasy world, though.
>Actually, you can board and steal the ships of other players.
Cool, so when I steal someone else's ship that they bought with real money then I get to keep it until it gets destroyed or some other player steals it from me right?
>until it gets destroyed or some other player steals it from me right?
Or until you log out, yes. This is the part where you disingenuously claim that since you can't permanently steal someone else's ship, the game is bad. Go on, attack your strawman. Do the funny meme. Dance, monkey.
Wait why do I lose the ship when I log out? What possible immersive reason could there be for that?
That's fricking pathetic man.
Can you refuel/rearm/repair stolen ships?
It's not a strawman if it's literally true, moron.
Ook ook.
>Or until you log out
Lmfao you can't even keep a ship beyond a single playrun.
So if I play on the weekend, next week I get nothing?
Cultist is OK with this, dou
not true
Notice a ScamCitizen user/backer made this claim.
Why you say is no t true?
Are you against your fellow citizen?
Do people actually have fun in Star Citizen?
I have had a lot of fun in it, and I will continue to have fun in it while Ganker cries about it and spreads misinformation.
I had fun with a friend taking a job for a missing person. We went and searched a crashed space freighter on an extremely cold planet. We looted and found the missing person, but as we were loading the sip, a ship entered orbit and blew us to pieces.
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve ported the game to lumberyard
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented the new flight model
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented network bind culling
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented client side OCS
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented server side OCS
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented static server meshing
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented item 2.0
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented iCache
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented long term persistence
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented server instance sharding
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve switched to staggered development
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented the client actor network rework
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented asynchronous background spawning
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented grabby hands
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented the actor status system
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented quanta
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented the bartender AI
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented subsumption
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented planet tech V4
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented rewind time
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented PES
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after they’ve implemented the new flight model
>they can’t work on the gameplay until after pyro is done
>Friend begs me to play with him
>Cave and get a ship
>Decide to do a mission
>Go in cave
>Fall through the floor
>Quit
Time passes
>Friend begs me to play again for update X
>Character wakes up
>Go to elevator
>Fall through elevator
>This happens 3 times in a row
I'm done
You might not be able to trust a fellow anon to tell you what's good or bad, but you sure can trust an anon to tell you what is or isn't a scam, at least.
Never play a gatcha or anything that you see talked about with words like "monetization", by the way
Same here. I swear, I had to respawn 5 times so I can spawn in my pod properly. You spawn in the orbit with a bed floating with you.
does it have $45 worth of fun?
Hell no. You'll hate yourself for wasting 45$, hell you will hate yourself for downloading it. You will hate yourself the most when you will try to uninstall it and you will find out that after 10 years they still havent developed Uninstaller ie. have to delete it oldschool and clear the registry etc.
By the time Scam Shitizen comes out, we'll be into several generations of Starfield mods and likely flying into free. This project is done. Can't wait for the inevitable lawsuits.
You can own multiple ships in Starfield
Imagine crowdfunding a project only to realise game have macrotransaction,
Nice scam btw, if i got this same opportunity i do the same and become billionaire, gaymers are just to moronic and easy to manipulate
Star citizen is no different that a shit coin.
>It's going to be great trust me !
>oke here s my money lol
>ty now I dont actually have to do it lel. oh wait nvm we re goign to do it but I just need a little more oke? just a little more. ok. thats good, very good. But I need JUST a little more this time. and another time
>is ok i give u every month forever lel omg is gonna be the gratest game
just TRUST them bro. dont they have displayed their honesty ? by making a garbage game with garbage gameplay with 500 millions dollars while CS was a free half life mod that already had a 100 times better gameplay with no budget and after a couple of years? just TRUST them dude. no sunk cost fallacy involved here, just a few ships and 12$ virtual paint cans to change the ships color
>can't run on HDD
Dropped, no idea why the way I store data matters
I tried playing it and i woukd fall through floors. Buggier tgan any bethesda game. Also less fun than any bethesda game.
Thread #2 today of SC gays whining about Starfield. Thread #6 this week.
I mean that’s all well and good but you can have multiple ships in Starfield.
Scam Cititizen higher ups must be starting these threads just to try getting new buyers. I've seen like 3 in the past 3 days. No one even cares about Scam Citizen enough to use it as the same shitty bait 3 days in a row.
>3
I've seen 9 in the past three days.
I've seen 10 threads shitting on star citizen and one thread ironically praising it
it's just a few Black folk baiting, it started once starfield presentation was over.
they are pretending to cultpost like any shilltizen would but the cult followers are basically hunkered down on their subplebbit because they expected people to shitpost about starfield on there.
see
it's clear bait.
>is p2w before release
no it's not but probably is for the ever more money spending modern vidjya enjoyers
Star Citizen bros... not like this
Imagine... modding Star Citizen ships, armor and weapons into Starfield...
Todd-sama I kneel...
Can you imagine how fricking pissed you would be if you spent $1000 on a ship model just for some Brazilian to import the file into Starfield for free?
As a cognitively challenged individual I'm unable to imagine that so I hope somebody does it.
As a non-cognitively challenged individual I'm able to imagine it. Here's what it's like: I'd be pretty pissed.
nah, i spent about 45$ on S.U.N once for stat reroll scrolls then the servers died out of nowhere, i was pissed because i picked the wrong stats and was forced to become a tank dragon knight, my clan laughed their asses off but welcomed the change.
you can't even use the ship in atmosphere what's the point? Might as well just do a Thomas the Tank Engine mod or just a giant wiener for your ship(loading screen) it will be just as impactful on the game.
>Atmosphere
Idk why autists hyperfocus on the atmospheric flights when Star Citizen has arguably so many inbuilt bugs and wipes you cannot fly a ship for more than a few minutes without either a crash or a reset.
Also, for $0 it will be modded in whereas SC with $400.000.000 won't implement sitting NPCs kek
Is it even fair to compare SC and SF? The main draw of SC is player interactions, and SF is single player
>The main draw of SC is whales
Fixed
So you think people like playing SC because of buying ships?
People like playing SC because they have Stockholm syndrome. People are drawn to Star Citizen because of the ships and the promises of what they will one day be capable of.
Yes, capable of killing other players. So player interactions
Right, that's why people are spending 500 bucks on a Carrack, an exploration vessel with minimal armaments, it's to kill other players.
>The main draw of SC is player interactions
No, it's the ships you moron. Ships are why they've made hundreds of millions of dollars, not player interactions.
>The main draw of SC is player interactions
Outside of events? rarely perhaps when dynamicly scaling server meshing is implemented and capable of hosting thousands of players. But will they even be able to achieve it and even then within the next decade? who knows.
I mostly bump into players in orbital and planetary space stations when they are accessing their ships.
Rarely do I encounter 1 ship coming in to land to trade, and if you encounter one at a wrecking yard well pray he isn't hostile because they can steal your shit after blowing up your ship or ambushing you at the trade terminal. That's where all the drug smugglers and pirates go at the moment, and one of the few places you can sell scrap.
besides that I rarely encounter players visiting colony outposts or other POI attractions without a quantum travel marker.
The missions are scattered all over the place because once allocated to you it fricks off everyone's list of available contracts and a new mission in a different location is populated, most of the time players don't bump into each other.
You have miners and salvagers who prefer not to be fricked with and go as far away from everyone as possible which is easy to do in a 100 pop server with entire solar system.
bounty hunters get missions that are in seperate locations so you just go pop a ship and you are done.
Similar for mercenary FPS missions, you just go to a bunker or cave or whatever and kill some target, the mission is given to you only unless you share it with party.
Delivery missions might be the exception since there is a small chance of bumping into players doing other tasks at the locations you go to ( cargo haulers buying/selling there, bounty hunter refueling & rearming at the pads, etc...)
There are some PVP sites where you are more likely to encounter players such as ghost hollow, and perhaps KSP where criminals try to wipe their crimestat or steal contraband stored at the facility.
You forgot the most important part - you can play it right now. The only thing starfield has going for it is todd shitposting.
>you can play it right now
You can play one star system that's buggy as frick.
And how much of starfield can one experience right now?
You can experience a release date, which is more than what Scam Citizen has.
he was hungry, alright?
>Edible packaging
The future!
Careful, if Chris sees this he will add another 6 months development time to make a whole persistent dynamic litter system with an integrated player controlled recycling and trash collection system.
Why does everything in this game look so fricking tedious to do? Even basic actions look like a fricking endeavor.
It takes 3-5 minutes just to go from your pod to your ship lol
Every fricking ship has this ridiculously long startup animation that takes way too long.
It is not the startup itself, it is just waiting for the damn fricking MFDs or whatever to unfold, you have an awkward pause without anything going on that is a pain in the ass before you can actually power on the ship.
They need to speed these animations up a fair bit.
Video games will never be, and would never be enjoyable being, as detailed and tedious as real life. It's why to this day in FPS games you still pick up weapons and ammo magically by just walking over them.
>"You think you do, but you don't."
Is sometimes true.
this
simulating everything down to the level of actually needing to pick things up and manually interact with them sounds fun and looks neat but it's really not something you'd want to do regularly. it's a wow factor more than anything else.
I don't mind that part as long as they make it snappy which currently isn't quite at that point. It is still a little awkward to highlight the the correct UI elements in some places they are not properly aligned to your mouse or you character is bobbling around.
Look at that burrito webm for example, the character fricking jiggles around like a god damn cement mixer and you cannot mouse over to option to for example place if you want to lay the item on a table until your character settles the frick down which takes 2 seconds or so, very annoying especially when moving boxes around and placing them.
Everything in SC is like this,m. The train is so cool until the tenth ten minute train ride when all you want to do is be in your ship as soon as possible. Ten minutes to land on a planet. A million mouse clicks to finish the animations for immersively eating a burrito. There are so many aspects of real life, that, if you could, you would reduce them to a one motion half second interaction. Having the option is nice, but sort of a waste of dev time
Thank you for showing me Star Citizen is on the same level of monotonous tedium as Red Dead Redemption 2.
pic related is an infinitely better space game
>Multiplayer
Sorry, I'm not 12. I don't really want to hear dickyhitler1488 talking about /misc/ conspiracies.
>No loading screens
And here in lies one of the many reasons why Star Citizen runs like shit on most hardware even after being in development for a decade. Rending everything you can is not a good idea, it never has been,
>can own multiple ships
Can do this in Starfield, confirmed.
>Sorry, I'm not 12. I don't really want to hear dickyhitler1488 talking about /misc/ conspiracies
I don't appreciate those disparaging remarks.
This homie REALLY just implied 30 FPS Starfield runs better than Star Citizen because it has loading screens
>*consoles
Star Citizen has 0fps on Xbox and PS5.
So Starfield performs worse than Star Citizen because it has to cater to consoletards, how exactly is that a good thing?
Gonna perform flawlessly on PC, so I don't get why you keep bringing up console performance. I'll enjoy my 1440p 144fps on Ultra, thank you.
>Bethesda game
>"Gonna perform flawlessly on PC"
LOL
Fallout 4 ran fine. All performance problems can be blamed on people who mod the game breaking their pre-vis combines.
Fallout 4 without mods also looks like a 15 year old game, though
moving the goalposts
>So Starfield performs worse than Star Citizen
You're a moron, it doesn't perform worse. How do you even come to this conclusion?
>Console
Starfield: 30
Star Citizen: Doesn't run on console because it's a poorly made piece of shit
>PC
Starfield: Easiest 200 anybody on a 30+ series has ever achieved from a modern game.
Star Citizen: Chugs away at barely 60 even on high end rigs.
Jeeze, I can't really compete with your completely made up numbers FPS pulled out of your ass, I guess I got BTFO there.
If you think a game that says it wants a 2080 for the recommended is gonna make my 3080 weep, you don't know shit about PCs. Which is about right for a Star Citizen player, you're the NFT cucks of video games,
Post a screenshot with the average FPS of Star Citizen. The fact is if Skyrim in Space ran at 20FPS on next gen PC hardware it would still outperform Star Citizen
>Rendering everything you can is not a good idea, it never has been.
Nah they don't there is so much pop in it is annoying, you have to be roughly 2 to 3km from a landing pad to see it regardless whether on a space station or a moon. If you zoom you can extend it a little more but it still isn't enough.
loser wants to play by himself loooooool
The hatred for loading screens always annoys me when
1) They're not an issue on SSDs
2) They're great for performance saving
>no loading screens
?t=121
you can get up and walk around and its real-time traveling that can be aborted at any time.
in fallout 5 you will have black screens and captions and literally nothing but loading , every building, every time you go inside your ship every time you travel
stop coping
>you can get up and walk around
and do what? fiddle with your whale crewmates dick? you wait for time to pass in a linear manner just the same
>its real-time traveling that can be aborted at any time
>you are now stuck in empty space with nothing for quadrillion of miles
ah gee, that's so much better than waiting 5 seconds for the next map to load!
>and do what?
Slowly eat a burrito.
>Repair ship modules damaged in the last fight
>Use scanners or other terminals on the ship
>Managing inventory
>Playing star wars space chess
>Make sure no stowaways are hiding in your ventilation ducts
There's plenty to do. And if your little dopamine receptors can't handle the downtime, get a faster quantum drive.
>no loading screens, suck it bethesda :^)
>anyway here's a list of dumb shit you can play-pretend to be busy with while you wait for 10 minutes of actual realtime travel to pass
maybe I can even get a box to sit inside and imagine all the exciting gameplay while I wait!
The time it takes to warp is intentional, to give meaning to large distances and a reason to use larger ships.
If you don't have the patience to walk for 10 minutes in DayZ or warp around for half an hour in EVE online, the game isn't for you. You probably prefer Todd Howard's "play-pretend" of poorly written NPC dialogue and questlines.
>LOL there's nothing to do while you warp it might as well be a loading screen
>Actually here's a list of things you can do while warping
>LOL all of those are fake pretend fun
Holy shit
>cultist unironically stalks through his ship during every warpjump pretending he's sam fisher hunting for spies
you're overly defensive
its a multiplayer game people will be in a crew on the ship talking and planning and doing whatever while they travel
>real space and real traveling is bad
says you lol
if you think loading screens, menus, and instant fast travel is better for an open world space game.. dunno what to tell you.
>The game has intentional downtime so you and your mates can pretend to be Han Solo on Discord while your ship moves to the next part of the game instead of loading into the next part of the game
in the industry we call this an interactive loading screen
I just log out in my ship's bed and spawn in my ship to skip that trek. But yeah good luck doing that if you are cargo hauling to the TDD in cities.
meanwhile on the other side...
I'm guessing that time is for people who don't want to jump to gtfo, or people who want to jump but aren't present to dock
Correct. Also those jumps are fricking massive too. Like hours of star hopping in a couple of minutes.
One of the worst things they added was persistent junk, I guarantee within a week a completely worthless item will be dumped around all the key space stations and ports, the amount will crash players clients.
Players will be essentially forced to be actual fricking unpaid space janitors just so the game doesn't crash.
The game has a ranking system where worthless junk despawns much faster than useful items.
>he wouldn't roleplay as space janny if given the chance
Video games?
Please go back to Ganker or wherever as I don't see any games here.
I do find it genuinely impressive but the performance alone is reason enough not buy it. I might seriously consider getting it if they fix that, because I like fricking around with random little buttons and this game has a lot of that.
>absolute amateur level physics
>corny Star Wars aesthetic, not realistic
>mediocre graphics
>literally isn't even a functioning game
Star Citizen isn't good in any way. Who pushes this turd?
There is definitely a total lack of aesthetic cohesion between many of the different ships and I don't think people shit on SC for that enough.
what do you mean, there's a line of different manufacturers all with very distinct styles
All of the ship designers look great except for MISC. The Freelancer looks like a fisher price toy.
>art design grad opens up a picture of a bird
>just replaces every feather with random techy texture
Ah yes, these are BIG BRAIN SERIOUS SIMULATION designs of genius Chris Roberts
It looks like it's from a corny Transformers movie. All their original ideas look this dumb, the others they just blatantly rip off of other sci-fi ips.
Black person that's an insect, you are actually blind and your opinion is discarded.
The ship that literally looks like a bird diving is pig-headily called a Talon
You shit for brains moron lol
From a race of bird people, very surprising they would make a bird shaped ship...
how many human-shaped vehicles have we made yet
mechagays keep seething
>alien bird people
>still make terran-based bird ships
makes ya think, no?
The bird ships are quite literally recreated models retrofitted for human pilots. Go read the brochure.
>Star Citizen ultra-imaginative aliens
>The race of genocidal warriors based on Germanic barbarians
>The race of honorbound birds based on Japanese samurai
>The race of merchants
Oh and hey perhaps the turtle-race will make turtle-shaped ships?
>Alien race has an animal-looking ship
oh noooooo, anyway...
This is like being upset all cars don't look the same
this. they literally market them like cars. it's meant to be how we would evolve spaceships naturally in a market economy.
They do a really good job with each vehicle generally having commercials and videos, brocheurs etc.. hell during one particular in game event the IAE, there's even videos of a Top Gear knockoff . Each vehicle and company has its own look - for instance Origin is basically inspired by BMW (its ships are even all "numbered" ranging from the 100 series to the 890 Jump ) as far as sleek etc. Anvil is all kind of clunky and military but well made. Aegis is "very military but sleeker", MISC is kind of all soft corners and very scientific, and partnership with an alien race that gives it certain features, RSI is kind of a bit of a classic space with wide range of different craft etc. THere's more than that, like Drake is "Basically cheap and held together with duct tape, but easy to repair and OUR CUSTOMERS ARE TOTALLY not PIRATES" etc.
You can get both of them in the game even in the alpha, so its not like you have to pay. Also the $150 is the " Super Hornet" version which can seat 2, has a turret and some other upgrades; many ships have multiple different chassis versions (there's a standard hornet, one made for electronic warfare, the super hornet tc). Also the Arrow is way more maneuverable but its not as durable armor or shields, and has less weapon loadout.
>Also the $150 is the " Super Hornet" version which can seat 2, has a turret and some other upgrades; many ships have multiple different chassis versions (there's a standard hornet, one made for electronic warfare, the super hornet tc)
So have CIG given up on their ships being modular and just decided to sell each variant as a different ship?
Not as far as I know, they're still modular. Those versions were just bigger chassis changes and sort of "base hull equipment". Sometimes its a major structural change - the Super Hornet has one more seat than the other Hornet models. Even in the alpha there's a lot of modular equipment changing possibilities. Got X amount of Size 3 hardpoints? You can take off whatever the default size 3 weapons or gear on them and replace them with other Size 3 or smaller (or you can have them auto-gimbled mounted one size smaller in this case 2). Same with lots of other components. Even internally or whatnot - you can swap out the kind of containers that hold one kind of cargo (ie liquid or gas fuel ) or another (solid cargo containers) Internally you can tweak stuff, like some ships have multiple layout modules depending ( Origin 600 , Aegis Retaliator - the latter is kinda like a submarine inside and you can swap out either a big cap ship torp launcher assembly for more cargo area etc) . All the modular systems aren't done yet of course but I see nothing to suggest they've gotten away from it.
All the modular systems aren't done yet of course but I see nothing to suggest they've gotten away from it.
Then why are the Cutlass variants all sold only as complete ships? If someone buys a Cutty Black and a Cutty Red what do they actually have?
nta but I'm pretty sure in the future modularity is actually supposed to work like that, where you can turn a cutty black into a red or blue.
probably not, they stated in the past not every ship is gonna be modular, just certain ones. Caterpillar, Starliner, Redeemer, Galaxy, and a couple of others I'm forgetting. Drake Industries is a cheapass ship manufacturer so it honestly makes lore sense for them to be separated
>they literally market them like cars
roberts worked a while as a car salesmen... just saying.
>59 kb
YES GOYIM! KEEP DUMPING MONEY INTO IT AND MAYBE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THEY'LL BE HALFWAY THROUGH WITH DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS OR SO MORE, GOYIM!
The game should honestly be scrapped and the money refunded or dissolved, it's clearly a scam.
>only big space sim that properly does transitions from sitting in your chair to walking through your ship to exiting it onto the planet/station
>it's an unfinished poorly performing mess
Sad
It's an unfinished poorly performing mess because the stuff you want is really, really, REALLY fricking difficult to make even for expert dev teams.
People shit on Bethesda's design philosophy, but it's the endless cutting of fat that keeps their projects remotely reeled in.
Rodina manages and it's a one man game. It has shit graphics and frick all content, but again it's literally one guy making it part time.
That's because Rodina looks like Wipeout 2097.
evochron legends too.
>It has shit graphics and frick all content
Which is exactly why he can manage it.
>mfw I backed the game in 2014 and sold my account last week
I'm glad it's over, but I can't believe how stupid I was. I feel a little sad too. Sorry for the blog.
Why do you gays act like this is a massive financial investment? I spent 30 dollars 10 years ago on the kickstarter.
$700 for me. And I got $500 back.
Buying ships" was always a donation with the ship itself being a bonus. I'm amazed you even got 500 back.
I'm beginning to suspect that the hardcore seethe Star Citizen generates is all from people like you who spent hundreds on the game and are now emotionally committed.
Because they got no return on the investment....
>30 dollars 10 years ago
>Currently functional multiplayer space game I can play right now
I got a return on my "investment." sounds like a skill issue.
>functional
Arguable
>anon keeps falling out of his pod
skill issue oh and CIG added new concept ships so you can buy it and pilot a equivalent priced loan, naisu right?
>there are still star citizen apologists in 2023 and they're in this thread right now
Todd's game kicked up a centipede nest.
Is this Freelancer footage or what
It's Freelancer 2.
Underspace, which is HEAVILY influenced by freelancer. Being made by trainwiz, well known skyrim modder. Last I played it was still pretty barebones, but it's still a cool project to keep an eye on.
It's definitely the Freelancer 2 that I wanted out of Star Citizen (as in, Freelancer with way more things, not bogged down by space autism)
I like space autism...
There's good space autism and there's bad space autism.
Freelancer had the good space autism parts.
Last time I played it there was a ton of stuff, at least in space.
It's gonna be great.
Play X4 Foundations.
Every time I try I get bored and stop
>I have ADHD
I think I just dislike the interactions with the systems. I dunno it's hard to describe why I dislike it, I didn't mind slowly trucking my way across space in ED but for some reason I can't in x4.
I just want you guys to know that when this inevitably falls apart there will be actual suicides within the star citizen community from the years of sunk cost fallacy.
Listen, I hate bethesda as much as any other guy, but Star Citizen will at least be a somewhat functional full game with a decent amount of content
Star Shitizen is literally STILL just a tech demo where all the "content" are larps organised by a couple suspiciously wealthy boomer guilds and if you complain about one of the many many broken things in the game you'll just get told that you're basically an alpha tester and have no reason to complain
>Star Citizen will at least be a somewhat functional full game with a decent amount of content
Please stop, I can't laugh any more it hurts.
Yes, there is no easy way for me to talk about this
But as sucky Bethesda is, Starfield will be a proper GAME you will be able to play through from start to finish, and im pretty sure they worked on it for less time and achieved far, far more progress than Star Shitizen ever did
Scam Citizen is, again, after more than a decade later STILL just a tech demo where most shit is either only somewhat functional or just straight up broken, and the only reason why its still getting support is because some guild meets up to larp space marines for a while and they let a sponsored eceleb to tag along do he can make it look like a completely organic occurence and something players should expect from the game
This unironically makes me want to play Starsector.
>still technically in early access
>fulfilled more promises
>game is feature complete, even if it's still in development
Such devotion to a total scam
Must be hard being this deluded, but somehow knowing, or fearing you're part of the clowns
8 fricking years ago... can't believe I was so hyped back then. I feel like I'm a completely different person now and this game is still vaporware. It's a fricking joke and I thank God every day I didn't put any money into it.
you are the dude who has spent thousands of dollars and wants to know for himself that his "game" is going somewhere.
no... you've wasted your money, your tech-demo is doomed to never be finished.
the only ones who continue to give money are people like you, sick with problems basically of "gambling".
you are the perfect target.
Starfield isn't a sim you fricking mongoloid. It's just an RPG in space. Space sims are boring as shit.
from the video bethesda has published it seems Starfield has better shooting mechanics than Scam Citizen. A bethesda game with better shooting mechanics. Glad I gave up on any hope on SC being a good game.
Starsector and Elite Dangerous fill the gap very nicely and are very much worth the money.
Star citizen has a space marine shooting game, right? Of course it doesn't work properly, the fact people don't even remember it exists says everything.
>Star citizen has a space marine shooting game, right?
Its called Star Marine if I recall correctly. But yeah, it still looks like garbage compared to Starfield.
that was just a placeholder to let people play with guns before the actual persistent universe was available
Which one do you mean, Star Marine or Theatres of War?
The first was canned because it was a shitty waste of time.
The second was canned because they couldn't get a FPS arena shooter game to run at an acceptable performance level.
But don't worry, the FPS combat in their all-encompassing MMO will be top notch.
Everything in Star Citizen is designed to be realistic instead of fun, which is why everything is fricking horrible
They're on like the 6th flight model now because they can't wrap their heads around how realism makes ship fly like shit
>Star Citizen is designed to be realistic instead of fun, which is why everything is fricking horrible
which is exactly why it will never be fun nor realistic. We won't have the technology to accurately simulate any of those stuff, not now, not in 100% years from now. If you have to compromise on one or another, it is always better to compromise on fun rather than on realism. Would you rather be willing to wait on home computers hitting multiple of teraflops of power, plus full body motion simulation/capture, VR, fart smelling simulation etc etc, just to have a half assed 'realistic' experience, or just play a fun somwhat realistic space game in a 5 years timeframe? I'd always chose the latter instead of the former, but it sims SC's backers are either too stupid or too brainwashed to think otherwise.
>Glad I gave up on any hope on SC being a good game.
I think SC is still so far away from being any kind of a game, that the concept of a "good game" isn't even in this plane of existence. CR will need to compromise on like 90% of his "simulation" features to even have a chance of making it an enjoyable experience to play.
I've only ever seen one video of Star Citizen's gunplay and goddamn are the sounds bad. To be fair most games don't get the sound right but at least they try. It felt like SC was intentionally going for some wacky nerf gun sounding blaster.
I legitimately think this "game" is just a money laundering scheme now.
I know Chris is one delusional lunatic when it comes to unachievable autistic perfectionism, but even he must have some boundaries. The man is running a money laundering operation and makes some extra on the side through whaling cultists.
>Ganker wants SC released unfinished
it is astonishing how the collective memory of Ganker is that of a goldfish. We don't want another Cyberpunk on our hands
Black person it was supposed to be released in 2015 the game's been in development longer than some underage posters on this board have been alive
at some point a publisher needs to tell the developer to cut the crap and create a working game instead of infinitely expanding scope creep
I don't want to see the game release at all. I want to see it scrapped for parts and sold to developers who could actually make a decent game with the research and development Roberts has put in.
Nothing works properly, the engine they are using has been abandoned by sane devs because of how garbage it is, what can you even use anything from this shitshow? The designs? Makes sense as it seems like Roberts invested a lot into making it look attractive. All looks, a tiny bit of substance to keep the scam alive.
By the way, another server wipe happened recently, must have been a dozen or more by now. Sometimes I think it might be on purpose to keep players addicted to the early game loop.
The engine was even abandoned by Amazon and turned into freeware. CIG got into a law suit with Crytek over their licensing of the engine and before they even managed to release a game off that license the engine had been acquired by another company and then deprecated into 'Yo man just download the binaries and use it to make whatever you like because this trash has no commercial value'
The one interesting part I heard about it was how they spent time developing new tools for designing flowing rivers. That's something plenty of devs avoid in preference of flat sea-level "rivers". If tools like that were in any way useful to other developers, I'd prefer to see it in their hands. Given how different engines and programming languages and all that can be, I'm sure it will never be as useful as I would hope. Maybe other people are working on better versions of it already.
Hard to say, there are rumors about Cloud Imperium having a high employee turnover rate, which results in a constant army of junior devs that simply don't have the know-how to make the game work properly.
You really can't expect much from a team of greenhorns.
>SC finally releases because the gravy train of cash-for-jpgs has dried up
>It is shit
>SC adherents use that to defend the game and blame everyone else for forcing it out before it was ready instead of continuing to fund CIG's forever-development
I cannot wait
>We don't want another Cyberpunk on our hands
I can smell the deluded brain trying desperately to make sense as it copes with the rage of a billion suns.
How much until some of them 41%self?
Any good channel on YT to see this kind of looney tunes larping? Already have my bag of chips
I can log in, hop into my favorite space ship, fly out to do a space combat mission, return to a space station, land, go to bed and log out.
What more do you want out of the alpha of a videogame?
>What more do you want out of the alpha of a videogame?
Some sort of ballpark idea of when the videogame will progress beyond the eternal shit of 'Early Access' and actually be put out there as a video game that is ready for purchase and play.
When it implements MMO-like servers in 4.0 early next year, will you finally be satisfied?
When it doesn't will you come back and apologize for being so wrong?
Why wouldn't it? Every other major feature required for it is already in the game.
List the requisite features for MMO architecture that are present in Star Citizen. Remember that currently they cannot even get their database to properly record in-game item transactions.
>List the requisite features for MMO architecture that are present in Star Citizen.
A fully fleshed out star system with fully landable explorable planets, PVE and PVP game loops. It feels rather empty right now because of the max player cap, that's about it.
>Remember that currently they cannot even get their database to properly record in-game item transactions.
Completely false, do you just make shit up? Or do you live trapped in 2018 back when Star Citizen was actually unplayable?
>A fully fleshed out star system with fully landable explorable planets, PVE and PVP game loops. It feels rather empty right now because of the max player cap, that's about it.
These are not requisite features for MMO architecture. But sure the MMO-ness of Star Citizen is only months away!
>Completely false
Black person they literally just accidentally wiped the ship ownership of a bunch of players by accident. They made a big post about 'Steps to take to make sure your ships don't disappear when we implement this patch', players followed the steps, their ships disappeared anyway. The database is complete shit (except for the one that stores info on things you bought for real money for some reason)
>These are not requisite features for MMO architecture.
You mean.... servers in a rack? Yeah they have those already bud.
>But sure the MMO-ness of Star Citizen is only months away!
Correct. But you'll immidiately shift the goalposts when testing starts by screaming that it's a buggy mess.
>Lists two bugs/frickups that don't affect 99% of the playerbase
That's not the same as their database "not recording in game item transactions" which you originally claimed.
So when it doesn't turn up in 4.0 early next year you will be back here to apologize right?
By definition it will be in 4.0, that's what "4.0" means. If next year we're still on 3.2X, maybe I'll come and apologize.
>maybe I'll come and apologize
Lmao, can't even commit to your own claim
>W-well maybe if I'm wrong (again) I will eat humble pie instead of making a new baseless claim about when the game will REALLY go into MMO-mode
How the hell can they be planning on making it a full mmo when their servers shit themselves as is
Well I would like it for it to come out sometime before I die. Realistically there is a greater than 50% chance I won't live to see it go gold.
>10 years of development and basically infinite money to get to this point
Astonishing results, so far - let's hope for a beta by 2070.
Damn...I'm thinking my fleet is looking mighty fine. How about yours, Ganker?
The corsair really does it for me tbh, no need for any larger ship or other ships besides Furies to make a ghetto carrier for me and my mates.
Get a Vanguard by boy and get rid of the Hornet and Prospector.
I almost never see anyone fly medium fighters anymore, especially Hornets. The new meta seems to be either light fighters or heavy fighters.
Anyone here play Starbase? Another huge Space MMO that bit more than it could chew. Released half baked, very little to do. The ship building was pretty cool however
>scam citizen
even Braben's bullshit is more fleshed out.
I know this isn't the first case but it's still interesting how it predated the NFT metaverse scam by quite a lot
It's interesting how Star Citizens will fervently explain why them buying a ship that doesn't exist in a game that will never release is nothing like buying a house that isn't real next to a fake celebrity in Decentraland
>invents strawman scenarios in his head
When you "buy ships" you are donating to the development of the game, the ship is a nice little bonus. Everybody who wasn't moronic always understood this, and everybody recommends you just buy a 45 dollar starter ship if you don't care about supporting the game development.
>When you "buy ships" you are donating to the development of the game
No you aren't. You are buying a ship. Cope harder.
Poorgays and Starfield shills malding hard ITT
>It's cool bro you can do everything for just $45
>As long as you know a massive moron who's spent money on the hundred-dollar ships because it takes literal hundreds of hours of minimum wage-tier grind to afford anything beyond your starter ship (also you lose it in the wipes unless you pay real money to keep it)
Why the frick is this game being astroturfed so hard lately, what bad news is about to come out?
it's just toddchads taking a big fat dump on scam shilltizen cultists again.
it happened once starfield was announced and it happened after starfield presentation and will happen after starfield releases, some autist will probably port starfield assets to starfield which will make even more shitting on the heads of these cultists.
keke
What will the cultists do when scam shilltizen gets "put on hold" due to god and savior the almighty chris roberts dying of coke overdose sometime this decade?
>what will cultists do when this imaginary scenario I made up happens!?
but it won't though.
>it won't
Uh-huh, sure. Screencap this post. See you in a few years.
You've been in these threads for 10 years, shitting on Star Citizen as they added more and more features to the game. Yeah, I will be seeing you, you'll be here 10 years from now saying the same shit.
>Yeah, I will be seeing you, you'll be here 10 years from now saying the same shit.
Because SC still won't have released.
at least you don't deny being a cultist
anyone here tried Spacebourne 2?
looks like Indian school project
yeah but its a dishonest open world
starfield will have a real one but with few loading screens
>has multiplayer
Dropped, i dont need Black folk to roam in my KINO ON SPACE game
Glad to see more SC threads on Ganker, especially outside of the normal HURRDURRCULTIST shitposting the same old turds
>but but Starfield will make Star Citizen cry!
No? Most SC players are hoping Starfield is good because they like other space games as well. Its only the mindbroken types who somehow need SC to fail and keep on moving the goalposts so their scam predictions can be right who are so salty about it. Starfield is a single player Skyrim in Space type game, much different from SQ42 and especially SC, its fine to have both. More space games are good, not everything needs to be SC levels of immersion, online etc..but i don't see anything else even trying to approach what Star Citizen is attempting to do. You'd think if it was something that was easy to do and SC was just all spending it on blow and wasting time, that some other fully constituted studio could have already done something equally as well, but none of them are even trying because maybe its fricking difficult and they'd rather spend their money on what most of the morons here call AAA slop because its easier and low risk; all the more reason you should want SC to succeed.
>Studio run by older white guy who made SOVL classics in the 90s and 2000s.
>Game is autistic about immersion and as such is trying to build a game with all that in mind
>Trying things never before done successfully, much less at scale and online; a "moonshot".
>Monetization is NOT on exclusives, cosmetics, or FOMO shit. Every ship and just about all cosmetics are to be found in game just by playing. NON exclusive crowdfunding of ships/items/cosmetics sold pre-launch; post launch will not be available lest it frick up the in-game economy.
>Game has a sense of scale and time, not everything is twitchy or instant. Great variety of ships, different niches; larger ones take crew duty stations
>Admittedly buggy at times true alpha is always available if you have a game key, game systems added bit by bit. Free fly monthly
>Game is autistic about immersion and as such is trying to build a game with all that in mind
You're delusional. There is zero evidence of a "game" being made, CIG have repeatedly shown that they don't care about getting Star Citizen to a playable state and much rather invest effort into adding features that can contribute to the "simulation" aspect of Star Citizen.
Therein lies the central premise that morons like you are incapable of grasping: Star Citizen isn't going to magically become fun to play one day when it reaches an "X" number of simulated systems. There have to be underlying, abstract GAME systems that encourage the players to engage with the simulation aspects and so far there is no evidence that CIG is even capable of developing them (eg the dreadful fps combat experience), much less integrating them into the rest of the game.
Remember: the best parts of Freelancer were made in spite of Roberts, not because of him.
a lot of people forget this, it's like ensemble's shitty treatment and halo wars.
This is the same thing that some have been saying since the beginning they'll never bring in
>Craft larger than fighters
>The ability to walk around ships while they're actually flying in the universe
>FPS combat on the same server/time as ship combat
>Getting beyond 1, 5, 10, 20, 50 , ad infinitum etc.. players in a single zone / system / server
>Turrets on ships crewed by other players
>Duty stations onboard ships besides just turrets
>Medical system
>Cargo System
>Crimestat / Bounty hunting
>Player bounty hunting
>Salvage system
and on and on it goes, but all these things are currently possible in the alpha, as well as live events and other stuff. Is it all finished? No of course not, but its iterative - the "fall down and die instantly" system was replaced by "basic med hypo healing" > "many different types of injury states, medicines and the like" > "Different types of semi-permanent injuries and different tier med beds necessary to repair them".
You keep talking about "game" systems but those are easy to build once you have the simulation elements in place. You can't make a mission where you scoop hydrogen and refine it into different kinds of fuels, then sell and trade those fuels (or take a contract etc) if you can't refine fuel or have a system to transport fuel etc. Just like how in the alpha the relatively basic "crimestat" system was iterated so that not just NPC space cops would go after you, but you could try to fly to a pirate system and hack'wipe your ship's wanted beacon, you could get players sent after you to bounty hunt you and take you back to jail incapacitated (not just blow you up or kill you) and if you go to jail you can try to wait out your time crushing space rocks into smaller space rocks, try to escape from jail, or pay a fine if youdidn't do something like murder etc. Its a MMO, all the game content is predicated on simulation systems the same way that raids in WoW need certain boss tech; just more complex
>Medical system
TF2 medigun
>Cargo System
TF2 medigun
>Salvage system
TF2 medium
I can't wait for the next gameplay loop that consists of pointing a beam at something until a bar fills up.
This ignorance is palpable. Even the alpha's unfinished system is leagues ahead of the TF2 medgun. Try and use it that way you'll overdose it and die.
Your "gotcha" is one of those underlying simulation technologies As I recall it was a test bed for a number of things for obstruction pathing and certain object handling (ie if you upend your drink on the ground, they'll realize your cup is empty and/or come over and mop up the spill etc..sort of tests). , but I've not looked for awhile. There are NPCs in the bunker events, jails etc that do things at least as complex in terms of movement and interaction, as well as combat. They do just fine unless the server is being fricky last I played anyway.
>As I recall it was a test bed for a number of things for obstruction pathing and certain object handling
What about a test bed for not standing on tables? Or is that beyond the scope of Star Citizen's subsumption AI?
>You keep talking about "game" systems but those are easy to build once you have the simulation elements in place.
Making something that is fun is an order of magnitude more difficult than making a collection of systems that functionally simulate something. Literally every game developer in existence is aware of this.
>You keep talking about "game" systems but those are easy to build once you have the simulation elements in place.
Predictable. How is that NPC AI coming along by the way. Wasn't the bartender supposed to be the core framework for everything else?
>You keep talking about "game" systems but those are easy to build once you have the simulation elements in place.
TEN YEARS to get this far. Even the most basic systems they have still fall flat on their face constantly. Nothing in this game is going to be easy for them to build or be done in a reasonable amount of time.
Lets be honest, the TEN YEARS was not from "We have a fully constituted AAA studio and we're ready to go with a set scope", but rather from a crowdfunded endeavor idea where the scope of the game or if it got made at all was on backers. THat said nobody with any brains expects it to either be easy or fast, its something never done before. If some other company could "scoop" them then hell, they'd be more than welcome to do so and clearly there is interest and money in it, but nobody seems to really try..because its fricking hard and risky to actually do it as SC is planning. And that means yes, with all the immersion stuff and without using typical AAA garbage monetization etc. Elite Dangerous is sort of the closest thing doing a lot of stuff the more traditional way and its..meh. Even after expansions it doesn't have the depth or interest that people playing an unfinished alpha of SC do and there are reasons for that. I have screenshots of WoW' alpha from 1999, 5 years at a top tier studio before its release and all it was doing was making a more solo-friendly EverQuest!
This homie wrote half a book to justify some old homosexual stealing his money to buy a yacht lmao.
>They had to build a company from nothing
>They are doing something nobody else has
Lmao, always the same cope.
>I have screenshots of WoW' alpha from 1999
Wait, Blizzard didn't exist 10 years before 1999 AND they released other games during that time too. How could they possibly have an MMO alpha in 1999 if they didn't already have a fully constituted AAA studio in 1989?
When people call Star Citizen fan's cultists, this is exactly the shit they're talking about. It's just a game. A game that has failed to deliver on every single milestone set. Squadron 42 was supposed to come out 7 years ago and I'm still getting development updates sent to my email about them working on the fricking chow line AI.
is NOT on exclusives, cosmetics, or FOMO shit.
BUY NOW WARBOND SALE CCU CHAIN DIGITAL SCARCITY NO FOMO
At the base of every single sale there's a "buy this to support the game if you're having fun. Its not necessary, all the stuff will be found in the game" style message. Its all available in game. You can log into the alpha and use alpha credits to buy a ship that normally costs $600 and another $900 right now, the latter I know is one that is only usually sold in "limited quantity" during events (890J the big dick space yacht)
The sales and all that other shit is just part of crowdfunding, but there's a big fricking difference between "If you don't buy this now you'll never get this paint job/ship/weapon ever again" or "Oh its a 0.5% gatcha pull I GUESS you could get it on your one free pull a week but during the banner we're increasing it to 1% if you buy 100 pulls" stuff that is commonplace versus what SC is trying to do.
The lack of exclusivity is a big thing and anyone who complains about gacha , loot boxes, or item mall bullshit should be wanting this to take off.
>No see this is different because in my brain I don't see it as predatory
Consume harder
>Game where you only need to buy a game key for $45-ish and nothing else to unlock everything by playing.
Think youi're the CONSOOMER here if you're justifying paying $7 to drink tea in FFXIV or an exclusive mount for $45, or a collection event in some battle royale where you pay hundreds is somehow not a problem, but SC is.
>Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
>Star Citizen is not bad because Candy Crush makes you pay for bombs
>unlock everything by playing
You mean the game that has wiped all progress like 6 times in the past 2 months? Anything you don't spend real money to buy is liable to be wiped from existence at a moments notice because CIG fricked up tremendously again.
The fact is that if it was as simple as "unlock it all by playing" then people wouldn't feel compelled to buy ships with real money at exorbitant prices.
New Sunk Cost Galaxy when?
All we need is a 500m battlebots tier graphics space game
Will make millions and would run on average gpus therefore increasing the space pop dramatically
its a travesty
battlebits*
Complete with anti-cheat that records your microphones and takes photos of your personal computer desktop, I'm sure.
>Star Citizen thread
>one group of posters is spouting outright lies about the state of the game, either because they actually believe them or are just trying to stir some shit
>other group is rabidly defending the game and using every excuse in the book to explain away some of the very real problems with it
>some people respond with measured, researched opinions that come from actually playing the game or doing more than scanning clickbait gaming articles
>nobody changes their opinions, nothing new is learned or discussed, 427 replies and 129 images posted before 404
this board's desperation for another TORtanic has gotten tiresome and I don't know if I want SC to actually succeed in spite of all the shit posting or if I want it to just die in obscurity so everyone can gloat for like a week and finally move the frick on
None of that shit fricking matters, what matters is people will have been born, grown up and created new life themselves and possibly died while this game is still vaporware stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from gullible sad lonely men.
it's been in development since like 2012, we've still got almost a decade before your statement begins to bear fruit
Star Citizen is a reverse TORtanic because it's at the very bottom of the Shazam list and trying(and failing) to claw its way up.
what really makes me laugh is how sc is made on a tweaked cryengine
>has multiplayer
That's a detriment.
>no loading screens
Instead you get buttery smooth stuttering and gamebreaking glitches that reek of "baby's first unity game" that even Bethesda couldn't manage.
>can own multiple ships
Pretty sure that's a thing in Starfield
Eh I'll just keep playing NMS
Cant wait for 2040 for this Game to finally be out
>Can't wait for 2040 for this game to finally be out of Alpha
If only you knew how bad things really are
Not being able to fly inside the atmosphere is possibly my biggest problem with starfield
You can't fly inside the atmosphere in Star Citizen either.
You literally can, moron. You can fly and land almost everywhere (except for certain exclusion zones).
and you can still physically land the ship there you'll just get fricked up/get crimestat unless you're talking about the zones that just auto pilot you into death
Wasn't this game suppose to come out in like 2015? How can they STILL manage to make more people fall for this scam?
What space game(s) allows me to own a train to ride around in space?
Voidtrain but that's more interdimensional than space I guess
Sunless skies
Underspace.
If they weren't trying to cram in repetitive/boring quests and instead actually focused on the sandbox elements of the game, it might not be hot garbage.
Still not worth a cent until servermeshing goes live, which is STILL not sorted out.
Until the servers can run over 10TPS consistently, it's gonna be a buggy, unplayable, broken mess.
Take your meds, not everyone pissed off with the state of the game is some b8 slinging troll.
suck my dick goon
We will have real life commercial and personal space travel before we have Star Citizen
>we're almost at the year RSI in-universe was put together
in-universe RSI incorporated in 2038, the game might come out after RSI does in-universe
It has had a horrendously long development and its business model will hold it back. If they were Derek smart, they would make the game free to play and still charging for ships. This would mean free to play players would have to crew up with paying players.
>crew up with paying player
>shoot him in the back of the head while in quantum
>free premium ship
It would never work. Having randoms on your ship is suicide.
How does the system work? If you pay for a ship, is it yours to keep or can people just steal your shit like Eve?
way they have described it is that its yours to fly but not to keep. once you lose it, it's gone. the player can just make a claim and get his ship back with stock items
It's yours to keep, you just have to file an insurance claim and then wait like you're playing a mobile game for it. Like actual mobile game time gate where you are just stuck at the station and can't play the actual game if you haven't bought more ships to summon instead. This claim takes minutes for the cheap ships to hours for the bigger ships.
go to sleep Derek, you're a bigger joke than CR cause at least Roberts is making money
Star Citizen has the lowest IQ haters, and cult members. It's honestly how similar the people who shit on the game no matter what and the people who defend it no matter what are. I imagine at least half of it's haters are people who were dumb enough to get scammed by Roberts and actually believed the horse shit he was saying. They probably believe everything Tod tells them as well. Meanwhile I paid 40$ and have had a ton of fun with my friends playing it.
SC has the worst people on both sides, the haters just spout either hyperbole or outright lies/exaggerations whereas the defenders can't see literally anything wrong with how mismanaged the project is. I backed in 2012 and now I'm just waiting for SQ42 whenever the frick that comes out, PU was a goddamned stretch goal
Here come the centrists who think holding viewpoints is bad
>post yfw you didn't fall for scam citizen
G0YD0Y
It'll never give you the same feelings as this.
Or this
naisu
i tried SC just because i love space sandbox games and i felt like SC was a good game when it worked. Key point being *when* it worked. When it comes to Star Citizen the game actually functioning is more of an exception rather then a rule.
The worst part is that people will try to defend it by saying "it's an alpha" but what they don't realize is that they're right in all the wrong ways. As an alpha it has only a small fraction of the content they want to add to it and it already runs like absolute shit. Once they add Pyro and effectively double the games size it's going to run so badly that i honestly doubt the game will even load. Some people honestly think that CIG is going to optimize it after the fact but a house build on an unstable foundation never stands and a game optimized and a patchwork of bandaids and shitty code will never run properly.
I don't regret giving it a shot but i'm so glad i refunded it.
You have a toddler's understanding of how games work. No, adding more locations does not make the game run slower. It makes it take up more space on your disk, that's it.
About once a year I try to play Star Citizen. I sit down and download it all, update it, and finally boot it up. It runs like ass on my hardware and crashes, so I uninstall it and wait another year. I'm glad I'm only out 30 bucks from the kickstarter. It's been 11 goddamn years.
I used to laugh at starcitizen morons but now it just sad. They unironically should be sued for exploiting autistic space fans. This goes beyond predatory monetization, its a full on cult
>literally never any Scam Shitizen threads
>Starfield about to come out
>Scam Shitizen threads start appearing non-stop, all of them shitting on Starfield
Why are Scammies so terrified of Starfield?
is it perhaps because it will actually release and made them realize that they wasted their money on a literal scam?