https://archive.is/3eFAZ
https://twitter.com/wallstengine/status/1757369994776662527
>Hasbro reported a steeper-than-expected drop in holiday-quarter sales and profit on Tuesday, sending its shares down 11 per cent in premarket trading, as a persistent demand weakness in the toy industry weighed on sales of its digital and board games.
>Sluggish demand from a pullback in leisure spending and cautious inventory planning by retailers like Walmart and Target hurt Hasbro’s sales in the past year.
>The Monopoly maker’s net revenue fell about 23 per cent, to $1.29-billion in the fourth quarter, ended Dec. 31. Analysts on average expected a 19.3 per cent drop, to $1.36-billion, according to LSEG data.
>Excluding items, Hasbro’s profit per share was 38 cents, compared to the estimate of 66 cents.
>Franchise Brands Rev: $843.7M, down 10%
>Non-Hasbro Branded Film & TV Rev: $139.3M, down 54%
>Consumer Products Inventory Down: 56%
https://boardgamewire.com/index.php/2024/02/13/magic-dd-maker-hasbro-lost-over-1bn-in-q4-predicts-wotc-revenue-decline-in-2024/
>"WotC’s outperformance is under threat in 2024, however, with Hasbro predicting the business unit’s revenue will fall by 3% to 5% amid an expected drop in licensed digital gaming in H2."
>"Wizards also suffered an operating profit drop of 2% in 2023, Hasbro revealed. It ascribed the fall to higher royalty costs associated with its Universes Beyond sets, which feature characters and brands from other IPs including Doctor Who, The Lord of the Rings and Warhammer 40,000."
So what does the future look like for D&D and MTG in 2024?
oh no!
anyway...
Hasbro should at least attempt to expand 5e rule wise and content wise instead of relying on 3pp to pick up the slack.
Say what you want about Paizo but at least they constantly support their games with new content via classes and items and don't have to rely on some guys 3td party class that's broken to build a cool character
Honestly even base PF2e classes feel more fun and complete than 5e with supplements.
That's only true for some of them. A lot of their classes are pretty poorly designed.
T. a swashbuckler player
>Say what you want about Paizo but at least they constantly support their games
Yeah, too bad SF was a dumpster fire that they never bothered fixing and PF2 is complete and utter garbage with no cause to exist.
>PF2 is complete and utter garbage with no cause to exist
The reason it exists is because Paizo's business model became incredibly dependent on crapping out new splatbooks and they were running out of design space to do that they could do that in in a 3.X framework.
Starfinder is getting a rules revision this year specifically to try and improve it's jank to acceptable levels, as well as updating it to the PF2e 3-Action system
What they should do technically is sell WotC to whoever will buy it and start firing people left and right, close their toy division, and turn the company into a license holder company.
I should be happy the DnDrone morons are getting what they deserve, but instead all I feel is dread at the idea of all the raw DnD sewage spilling out into the rest of the hobby once DnD no longer exists as a filter for normies, morons, and secondaries.
I guess somewhat related but during all the OGL business the Pathfinder 2e subreddit got flooded with so many 5e refugees that
>the subreddit had to pin a comment saying to read ALL the rules before posting "fixes" or homebrews to make the game more 5e like
>it soured the community on homebrew that people think that Pathfinder is some anti-homebrew system too
Had the same thing happen in a fricking RYUUTAMA discord I'm in. DnDrones ruin everything they touch. They are utterly unable to comprehend TTRPGs except through the lense of shitty "DnD-isms". Gatekeep the frick out of this cancer.
>dndrones attempting to "homebrew ryuutama to look more like 5e"
Please, share this disgrace with us.
I need to see this horror incarnate with my own eyes.
>Looks at Ryuutama, a game with maybe 20 spells total.
>Decides to try importing all of DnD's 300-something spells.
I've seen things where if someone tells me their favorite roleplaying game is D&D, I just instantly know to never invite them to my campaigns.
>dread at the idea of all the raw DnD sewage spilling out into the rest of the hobby
I think if 5e falls most of those players will just go to whatever npc meme of the day crops up next. TTRPGs will go back underground as a haven for turbo nerds.
idk why anons act like the normalgay raping of ttrpgs would continue without D&D
>normalgays you can milk leave
>profiteers without cows follow the herd
>bad actors that just want to push an agenda and frick with people find something new to ruin
these people dont have a tie to the hobby as a whole theyre just slaves to trends
not him, but you’re moronic if you think competitors would just sit on their ass and not actively fill in the vacuum, even if we pretend the audience would otherwise just leave the market
They have no mindshare. Vampire in the 90s was the only thing that came close
This. There's plenty of other indie TTRPGs that take the whole pandering to the atmosphere. Just read the intro of Godsend Agenda, or any itch.io RPG fire that matter.
>>bad actors that just want to push an agenda and frick with people find something new to ruin
Yeah I think it's like a fever, if you survive it just runs its course. I could be wrong and normies are here forever and will continue to undermine every ttrpg that exists, but I don't think it's the case. Even if D&D continues I think normies are bored with it already. I think they will move on to creating banjo orchestras or some other meme. Netflix will make a reality show that captivates them in some other hobby.
5e's existed for a decade now, and has been a "thing" for almost as long. Seems like tremendous copium to believe that most of its players don't like RPGs and have been pretending to do so for nearly 10 years. At what point does it stop being a short lived meme and become a permanent change? 20 years?
D&Dgays are to ttrpgs as commander players are to mtg
The only people who remember how to have fun, eh. Makes sense, considering people like you exist who are oddly obsessed with a game you don't even play.
having fun with overpriced cardboard and playing so casual they may as well be playing poker isnt exactly a point for them
>buy basic set of books
>pirate supplements
>draw my own dungeon maps
>use pieces from random games for PCs and enemies
>laugh at paypigs
>hear someone seething that you play wrong pretend elf game in the distance
>laugh at him too
you see this post is supposed to be a le ebic own but this is mtg not D&D where the average person is dropping 500$ on a regular deck and 60-80$ for a precon with singles that arent even worth that amount individually
>buying books
>for D&D
>in the time of internet piracy
Why? And you cannot call others paypigs. You know how much money I've given to WotC and GW? $0. None. Never have. Of course I don't even play 5e, really, I prefer better games, and I don't see any appeal in miniature wargaming, but I do enjoy the FFG RPGs. My total investment in the hobby is around $100, mostly in my Foundry license and some novelty dice I picked up for fun.
Printing off entire books is a pain in the ass, and often more expensive than just buying them.
The scam was only going to work for so long. Let it burn to the ground.
>printing the ebook
What? Anon get a cheap tablet, laptop, or just use your phone to look at the PDF. Who is honestly printing out entire books like this?
I knew I liked Jesper
There was a time when WotC was just kind of incompetent, but not exactly malicious. Now they are overtly malicious and incompetent, but because they are exploiting the terminally greedy, the degenerate gamblers, and the mentally ill, they were able to profit more easily than ever before.
playing magic tournaments with name-sticker gobliln is literally worse than video poker, it shouldn't even be legal
>tablet, laptop, or just use your phone
Frick off with that shit. No devices or internet connection at the table.
Most of the modern D&D playerbase comes from Critical Role and Stranger Things. They absolutely will not suddenly decide to pick up Shadowrun or Call of Cthulhu or any OSR system if D&D dies out unless convinced to by some e-celeb idol. You’re overestimating how many actual RPG grognards remain compared to the infinitely more populated consumer base of trend chasers.
>Most of the modern D&D playerbase comes from Critical Role and Stranger Things.
Citation needed.
Your ass is not a source*. If you want to make claims, support them with actual numbers and not baseless screeching.
*of anything but bullshit.
>Citation needed.
This guy is listening to a CR episode while he types.
he's wrong they didnt come from CR and stranger things. There is a much more evil and older eentity responsible
Jesus I almost forgot about that crap.
Worst thing about this show is that its spin-off is actually good, except the spin-off's worst attributes are the things that connect the shows. Young Sheldon is a very genuine, funny, and engaging show. It's just that the actual young-Sheldon is a shitty prat.
Ah yes, nerd Minstrel theatre.
I've seen enough of this show to doubt that it got anyone into nerd shit. It consistently portrays the main characters as immature losers who need to grow up. Even Sheldon's severely autistic girlfriend thinks Star Wars is for losers.
It didn't get that much people into nerd stuf as mcuh as it exposed them to said stuff. I had to suffer so many "oh I saw that in big bang Theory!" for so many years, man.
>it wasn’t portrayed as le good so surely people don’t copy it!
Oh anon. Poor sweet naïve anon.
>Even Sheldon's severely autistic girlfriend thinks Star Wars is for losers.
Well that's just correct
It's a nostalgia comedy, like That 70s Show or Happy Days, except that it's set in the present. It's nostalgia for the era when nerds were losers. It came out in 2007 with nerdy stuff from 2007 but the social climate comes from 80s highschool movies. That's what normies like about it, it exposes them to a lot of nerd stuff and makes them feel smart, then comforts them by constantly assuring them that nerds are losers.
>normies
Kek. It comforted you as well I think.
It had some good jokes, but again, the density of good jokes was relatively low because it was for normies. Most of the jokes are like.. "Ha ha he's a nerd", and that's it, there's basically no joke it's just a punchline and the punchline is being a nerd.
I guess it depends on where you live but by 2007 I'm pretty sure that nerds were cool everywhere and had been for years.
Sorry you missed my point anon.
"Normies" is a word popularized by meme that got transfered to reddit/twitter and have become a standard word on those sites. Using it to imply that you are not normal is actually impying the opposite. Like my mother has literally used it IRL and it's part of my sister's standard vocab.
Stop trying to fit in so hard, it's cringe inducing, and just post.
The irony.
"Cringe" is zoomzoom normie slang. Caring about what other people consider "cringe" is zoomzoom isolation depression fuel. Go enjoy something. If people think you're 'cringe', they can go frick themselves.
t. 35 y/o
Sometimes I think about the old "Win/fail" dichotomy, and compare it to the "based/cringe" dichotomy, and it's so frickin stark.
I mean, "based" doesn't really mean anything and there's a certain charm in that, but "cringe" is literally just complaining about your own discomfort, as if the rest of the world is supposed to give a shit. It's like you thought about saying "I'm offended!" but then decided that wasn't whiney enough.
One is about your personal accomplishment, an the other is about subservience to the ever changing trend of demands from 'the mob'
Social Media is cancerous. Especially full-piblic style like Twitter.
Cringing is literally a real word that has been used in that context long before zoomers started spouting it out. Zoomers like everything else they "invented" are just discovering things that have already existed.
Also you should take a break from the internet if seeing a real word being used in a non meme way and can't help but think of the meme.
>Cringing is literally a real word that has been used in that context
Find me somebody using "cringe" as an adjective before 2015. It's myopic internet zoomspeak, invented by people who think that their discomfort is universal, because social media has eroded their ability to tell where personal feelings end and social conventions begin.
>invented
Not invented. Popularised. The concept and the reaction was there before the word became ubiquitous.
Using "cringe" as an adjective to describe things that you don't like is a recent invention. It was invented by people who think that their discomfort is universal, because social media has eroded their ability to tell where personal feelings end and social conventions begin.
Good to see you've mastered the art of repeating yourself.
Unironically yes. You people are dense.
"I'll try repeating myself - that's a neat trick!" as a way of getting through or convincing anyone is pretty dense.
Yes. I said "cringe wasn't used as an adjective 10 years ago", anon insists that it was popularized (not invented) and posts examples of cringe being used as noun or verb, I call anon moronic and repeat that cringe wasn't used as an adjective 10 years ago. It was the most useful thing that I could have said at the time.
If I had been paying attention I would have realized that anon never used "cringe" as an adjective (
was the first post to do that), then I would have realized that anon wasn't trying to disagree with my statement about the modern usage of "cringe", he was trying to defend his original usage from
.
lol, thank you, you're a good lad. The first two are using "cringe" in the traditional sense, to describe a visceral emotional reaction, note how both cringes are tied to personal shame. They're not cringing to show their disapproval for some outsider, which is what the third article is doing. "Cringe-inducing Kurt Cobain" and similar language, especially when used in headlines and clickbait, is the root of the modern usage. It's a way of signaling to the people who viscerally hate the thing that you're targeting.
None of these uses are pretending to be a real argument, but I guess that's my second mistake, you never claimed to be making a real argument.
is your post, correct?
I mean, the principle behind "win/fail" is bullshit in its own way but it had a certain charm of brutal honesty, like each anon was a ceasar sitting on his own personal throne of moronation and offering and upward- or down-pointed thumb. Whenever someone said "failure" I would hear the voice from Super Smash Bros.
No anon, people referred to embarrassing things others did as "cringe inducing" or "cringe worthy" all the way back into the 90s.
The original usage of the word was to bend ones body in fear or servile manner. "Tom cringed in fear of dave." Later in the 80s and 90s it began to be used to for disgust and embarrassment.
"Sally cringed in disgust when she saw the liver and onions."
"George cringed in embarrassment when he thought about his freshman year"
Zoomers recently coopted the word as a meme shitpost reply.
"Cringe cringe cringe"
Cringe
zoomers
>have extremely low attention span
>aren't digitally literate
>can't read at an adult level either
All zoomer slang is about making replies and responses more immediate, simpler and shorter.
>mmediate, simpler and shorter
What the ever living frick do you think SLANG is, you pseud?
>recently coopted
I've been seeing "cringe compilations" since at least 2015, definitely existed much earlier. You realise you can't blame zoomers for everything you don't like, right?
coopted
>the word as a meme shitpost reply.
If you just finished reading the sentence you wouldn't have had to reply. Idiot.
Do you think people weren't calling things cringe as meme replies while posting about how much they hate cringe?
Do you think I was implying that the word cringe wasn't used before zoomers....? Or do you think I was saying that zoomers coopted the word for their shitty one word shitpost replies?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-I-still-cringe-when-I-think-of-embarrassing-things-I-did-a-long-time-ago
2014.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/body-odd/why-watching-office-makes-us-cringe-flna1c6437389
2011
https://www.google.com/amp/ask.metafilter.com/96904/Mr-Cringealot/amp
2008
https://www.theeagleonline.com/article/2005/01/90s-cringe-worthy-clothes
2005
I really didn't even try that hard to look anon. The word Cringe has been used for a long long time. Long before the internet and long before zoomers coopted it. You should really get off the internet for a few days, meme are starting to warp your reality.
As an adjective. moron.
"Cringy" and "cringe-inducing" go back a bit farther, but they have different connotations, because connotations are defined by use. Just saying "That's cringe." as a full sentence is modern duckspeak.
Read what I originally posted you frickin tard.
I typed out cringe inducing like a normal frickin person using it in the context that its been used for decades. I didn't spam "cringe cringe cringe" like some moronic meme monkey.
That's fair, sorry if I mischaracterized your post, but you're still an idiot. No one in 2005 would just say "that's cringe inducing" like it was a real argument, you're just complaining about your own discomfort. I've never used "normalgay" and I never will, before normie was popularized I would have just said "normal people".
>no one in 2005
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.presstelegram.com/2008/08/29/orchestra-faked-2000-olympics-performance/amp/
2008
>And perhaps even more cringe-inducing for Sydney residents
https://ukff.com/topic/124479-whats-the-most-cringe-worthy-thing-youve-done/
2011
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2008/08/03/wasted/amp/
>It’s almost as depressing as the lame, cringe-inducing Kurt Cobain
2008
Are you going to now exclaim these adult journalists, who are probably in their mid 20s at the time, in mid 2000s are now zoomers?
Accept the fact you are wrong and just shut the frick up.
Are you moronic?
>Cringing is a real word
Sure.
And obsessively monitoring everyone else's opinion of your actions via social media is the depression fuel of the zoomzoom. Caring what other people think "is cringe" is a self destructive life path. Give fewer fricks about other people's pointless demands. You could try to meet their every demand for your whole life, and it still won't make you happy, and it still won't make everyone like you. Don't waste your life on such meaningless bullshit.
>And obsessively monitoring everyone else's opinion of your actions via social media is the depression fuel of the zoomzoom. Caring what other people think "is cringe" is a self destructive life path. Give fewer fricks about other people's pointless demands. You could try to meet their every demand for your whole life, and it still won't make you happy, and it still won't make everyone like you. Don't waste your life on such meaningless bullshit.
Kay, and what does that have to do with anything being discussed? Who is saying to do that? Was I?
>Who is doing that?
Everyone using 'cringe' as a reason not to do something. "You aren't allowed to do that, I'm offended".
>Smash Bros Announcer.
Now there's a good idea. I could use some more "CCCCombo-Breaker"
My point is "trend chasers" don't invest in time intensive hobbies this long. Stranger Things released eight years ago, anon. Critical Role started streaming 5e NINE years ago. If someone got in through one of these they've probably been playing for 8 or 9 years. When does something some has been doing for 10 years stop being a quick and forgettable trend they're chasing? Unfiltered copium. Your best case scenario is they flock to Pathfinder 2e or something else 5e adjacent. That's if they even move, 5e has absolutely anemic releases already, if they stopped releasing outright the diehards would probably barely notice
His point is that you're wrong because none of those people stuck around and sales have collapsed, the data supports him not you.
>none of those people stuck around
It's still by far the most popular game in the RPG space, saying "none of those people stuck around" is objectively false.
MtG has always been Wizards' money maker. It says right in the OP that part of the profit drop is due to MtG exclusive licensing, but Wizards is STILL Hasbro's most profitable arm.
You are living in a world of delusion if you read that and translated it to "Nobody plays DnD 5e anymore."
>Wizards of the Coast revenue was UP in 2023
> This is ***expected*** to decline this year
Are you illiterate? Wizards of the Coast made MORE money than usual and this year it's expected (so it hasn't even happened yet) that they won't make as much EXTRA money. How in the world does that support no one playing and sales collapsing?
a lot of that revenue is because wotc is throwing mtg into the boiler to produce as much profit as fast as possible
Are you moronic? Stranger Things *started* eight years ago, Critical Role *started* streaming nine years ago, they're still ongoing which means they are still recruiting new trend chasing normies, who replace the ones who cycle out once they grasp how much effort is involved.
Seriously this is GW's entire business model nowadays as well, it's not exactly secret lore - use social media/vidya/performative woke/celebshit to get the trendy rubes to buy a bunch of stuff and wank about it on insta for a few weeks and when 99% of them inevitably quit who cares? You already got a bunch of cash from them and there are five more waiting to fall for the same shtick, and ten more behind them. D&D have been doing the same thing just for longer, so they'll reach the inevitable failure point where whatever celeb or trend was driving the new rubes towards you becomes uncool and the stream of new suckers dries up, but it's the same bullshit.
God I am so ready for the normie gaming hype to be over and for it to return to niche status.
I don’t understand, how is hasbro not getting money from their customers their customers getting what they deserve? What did he mean by this?
Pathfinder is the designated D&D cumcatcher system, the rest of us will be fine.
Make dwarves pointy-eared. It works for me.
>pointy-eared dwarves
Like (You) can reach shortie LMAOO
Fricking treegger, give me the book or I'll put ye at same height as I with me axe.
Yeah yeah whatever you say pebble, I'll keep on standing upon these WOODEN bookshelf(made by us elfkins btw) and piss down ya throat.
>these
*this
Major spelling mistake, like your ego stump humper.
Intentional, Calculated. It may look like there's only one, well.. there is(In the Image) but if there's one, it's bound to be more in actuality here.
Let you brow and squate with your puffycheeks on another of our creation, a wooden-potty! dont let the nuggets fall to far.
this there's is there is this
>literally “only pretending to be moronic”
No. I just calculated that I wouldn't have to calculate on how to lie if you had the exact same headcanon as me. Isn't it kinda obvious if there's(or was it 'is'?) one shelf, there's bound to be MORE around?
I might be moronic but I'm NOT pretending.
>I might be moronic but I'm NOT pretending.
/tg/ - Traditional Games
I think these normies you speak of are only into ttrpgs through dnd when dnd dies they will stick to it or claw for one of the many intentional successors or abandon ttrpgs altogether.
>normies.
Why do people use this word? Is it an attempt to blend in?
iirc it was an /LULZ/ term that got started because newbies didnt like using -gay
Why use any word? D&D used to be played exclusively by freaks and some people wish it still was.
Also, yea, it's a kind of posturing, "I'm a cynical high-IQ outsider just like the rest of the /tg/ posters and I hate normies".
normalgay and normie have always been interchangeable
>8 years ago
>2016
>a filter for normies, morons, and secondaries
I don't know why you're obsessed with "gatekeeping" so much, it sounds like they'll fit in with the rest of you just fine. All they need is a frothing obsession with being an anti-fan and they'd be clones.
>Hasbro eating shit because of millionaire execs sucking each other off with fat bonuses and scummy backroom deals
>HA TAKE THAT [FANBASE] YOU DESERVE THIS
I will never understand this kind of grognard moronation
DnDrone here.
I'm happier than anyone. Nothing has harmed D&D more in recent years more than WotC. WotC going over means less new books to ruin the game even further.
Hopefully they sell D&D off to someone who will handle it competently, but even if they don't it's not like it can get any worse.
Honestly I'm with you.
I just hope whoever has D&D next actually likes Greenwood enough to, if not give him the opportunity to direct his setting again, at least pay him some royalties and credit for the writing of his that they've massacred over the decades.
Anon
DnD 5e is no life service videogame that just stops existing when its company dies. What are you saying?
Wow, who knew that AI-generated Black Aragorn wasn't a good direction to take Magic: the Gathering
LotR was the best-selling Magic set of all time
>illegal gambling for a one-of-a-kind lottery card worth $1,000,000 was the best-selling magic set of all time
no shit?
LotR would have sold three times as much with lore-accurate characters. You cannot refute this.
NTA but I'm honestly not sure. I mean, there's no way that any change to the content of the set would multiply the money that they made on their one ring lottery. I also think there's a secondary-but-still-significant percentage of people who bought it purely because it's LoTR Magic, and would have bought it regardless of the art direction or the ring lottery. But I'm honestly not sure if lore-accurate characters would have helped or hurt sales when compared to the black aragorn buzz.
I did find it that one guy who actually might have been black in Dracula (Quincy Morris) didn't even get a card.
Yeah, Nicholas Cage would have sold so much better than Viggo Mortensen or bargain bin Idris Elba.
Cage would've been the perfect Gollum.
Oh shit he's right.
Wonka Bars sold amazingly well after the golden ticket sweepstakes was announced, also.
No, [[insert last set released]] was the best selling set of all time
Even without the One Ring, Wizards sales have been on a huge uptick.
Before 2022 only six sets in history cracked 100M in sales.
In 2023 alone FOUR different sets did. You can argue you personally don't like how magic is being made, but it's financial success has skyrocketed in the last few years.
It's literally so profitable it's holding up Hasbro single handedly. 75 percent of it's income is from WoTC
just a reminder that mtg and D&D are doing better than ever and only incels on Ganker think anyways
Someone should tell the fired employees, lol.
>"Hasbro announced just before Christmas last year that it was slashing another 1,100 jobs as ongoing macroeconomic concerns ate into consumer demand."
The only thing "eating into consumer demand" is the game's devolution and pandering... and WotC being a shitlord company.
They did frick all for the 50th anniversary and their "2024" revision isn't going to be fully released until 2025. They're frickin' it up.
Is D&D cursed? Every company that publishes it goes to shit (except GW, who only published it briefly to skirt some weird EEC rules, they went to shit long after the deal ended) and the game seems to fricking collapse every few years. Like, business people are normally greedy but not stupid, D&D seems like the one IP where people keep making the same catastrophic fricking mistakes, and they seem to do it at a pretty regular pace (roughly every 10-15 years) too. Did Gary design the original game on an Indian burial ground or some shit?
I wouldn't say so. While Gygax was off making a movie, other people ran his company into the ground and eventually forced him out. WOTC is laying off tons of employees while executives and CEOs take millions of dollars on bonuses for themselves. Hasbro hasn't been able to adapt to the current market and still thinks pumping out plastic toys will make billions despite that having not worked for a while now.
>WOTC is laying off tons of employees while executives and CEOs take millions of dollars on bonuses for themselves
Basically every none-service company does that periodically. I think WOTC would probably be better off licensing D&D's name rather than milking subscriptions and materials. That new D&D movie is kinda fun, and GW makes most of its money licensing small portions of its IPs to game studios at this point. It's an established and nostalgic name, I don't know why D&D only gets one movie every twenty years. If I were them I'd have the name plastered on any studio with a loyal fanbase/history of profitable ventures.
>I don't know why D&D only gets one movie every twenty years. If I were them I'd have the name plastered on any studio with a loyal fanbase/history of profitable ventures.
Exactly. The higher-ups are out of touch with their consumer base and what they really want. It's a shame. Who knows what'll happen at this point.
>GW makes most of its money licensing small portions of its IPs to game studios
False. They make money selling plastic. Just look at their annual report. Licensing revenue is about 8% of the total.
>GW makes most of its money licensing small portions of its IPs to game studios at this point.
Their financials are public. This just isn't true, they make money off plastic crack, not licensing.
>other people ran his company into the ground and eventually forced him out.
That implies incompetence instead of actual criminality, which is actually what the Blumes brothers were doing: Skimming MILLIONS off the top of D&D, at point in time when it was literally the only game in town, and using the money to buy fast cars, prostitutes and at one point; attempt to raise a 17th century Tea Clipper from the atlantic.
Gary comes back to find the two quite literally with their hands in the till, and is only able to slam the fingers of one of them. Who then sells all of his shares to his brother, who then deliberately gives a controlling interest to Williams, a notorious nerd-hater who was only on board as CFO for the money, and most likely told her point blank to run the company into the ground on purpose.
Which, after she ousted Gary Gygax, she promptly did via glutting the market with bad D&D novels and overinvesting in Dragondice. Oh, and basically telling people she never wanted to see anybody in the office "playing that nerd shit". Even though that's literally their jobs.
Someone should KILL them (In Minecraft)
The AI can read Images yknow.. (They now know)
RUN!
I'm not on any new lists from that
I'm not sure those people are still alive to begin with
>Like, business people are normally greedy but not stupid
They are. It's mostly blundering and wild flailing and succeeding on sheer inertia, luck, and just buying out everything that seems even remotely successful in the future. Every now and then you get a genius business leader, but for the most part it's sheer luck. Look at Microsoft and Nvidia.
>business people are normally greedy but not stupid
You'd be surprised. But most importantly these large entities are not run by knowledgeable people let alone gamers.
I work in Hollywood, believe it or not most of my bosses are cinephiles that are somewhat competent. They're craven psychos that mistreat anyone they exert the slightest power over, but they are profitable. But I guess gaming is a more niche hobby that tends to impact younger people more, so I could see how that's a problem.
The leadership selection pressures can vary industry to industry. Xerox had a monopoly on printing and early computers and thus the people who got to the top were sales type who were not product focused because there was no real competition, thus the way to get accolades was through marketing xerox products to customers. Steve Jobs used to call these types toner heads. It sounds like your industry rewards those who can claim credits and deny them to others effectively.
Hasbro's CEO is infamous for complaining that despite the successes that the WotC portion of the company achieves, it gets him no play at his local Yacht club. The other big wig at Hasbro that gets talked about a lot is Cynthia Williams who is the president of WotC and she is just a manager type that has hopped around many industries, but most notably I have been told used to work for a large tobacco firm which when viewed with the gambling nature of booster packs raise eyes. Without knowing any of their actual acumen and abilities, they are out of touch to anything that /tg/ cares about. Hasbro was however in pursuit of a WotC growth plan of doubling its revenue over 5 years to crutch the many failing parts of the corporation. Which sort of explains both the money grubbing moves and the moronic marketing/partnerships in an effort to expand the known nerd pool that buy WotC products
To powerlevel: the CEO at my job was an irrelevant marketing guy for Lego that was seen as a good poach due to Lego's success and that we share industry space with lego. He has no fricking clue about the product or their appeal, and his marketing background was poorly suited for the transition.
No? Wizards of the Coast is Hasbro's golden goose. The entire reason they're not already in the shitter is because they bought DnD (well, Magic. DnD just came with the territory)
How much money did Hasbro piss making a Monopoly board for every shitty small town in America?
>How much money did Hasbro piss making a Monopoly board for every shitty small town in America?
Those aren't Hasbro. Anybody can and does make a shitty Monopoly for anything they want. All they have to do is not call it 'monopoly' and change all the details, which is easy to do.
>business people are normally greedy but not stupid
No, a lot of bussiness people are indeed quite stupid, or do not know at all how the market works or moves. What they have is so much money that their mistakes never catch up to them. Tencent, Hasbro and all these big companies do not succeed because they're good at bussiness, they succeed because at some point they have so much money and invested in so many stuff, that for every 30 that fail catastrophically they have 2-3 that succeed colossaly too, compensating the loses. Then abuse said success untilt he company is dry. If losses start coming in, simply redirect them to one of your subdivisions or owned developer and kill them.
That's why there's so many cases of company making products that are good, sell well and bring profit and then still shut down, because the parent was moronic and shoved the losses on them.
Bussinessmen are meta gamers / cheaters in the game that is the free market, where they either twist the rules to their benefit or play with infinite money ON so no challenge or risk of loss at all.
The property itself is cursed to be misunderstood by midwits who don't understood that the IP is valuable precisely because it is free, and you make the money off releasing content for it rather than trying to fence it off.
The success of D&D was never a result of TSR's business acumen - they got tired of just skimming a little off the top and ran themselves into the ground trying to wall off the source of the stream. Even Gygax wasn't immune to this - see all his efforts to make a Hollywood movie
WoTC acquired it for a song afterwards from TSR's ruin, and decided at the time to acknowledge formally that they'd never be able to keep the rules in a bottle - hence the OGL, and the business model of making money off content. The people who used to understand that have moved on, and now you have the exact same problems that late-stage TSR had, trying to bottle the source when the value of the property is precisely because you can't bottle it.
Don't forget, AD&D only exists to cut out Arneson. Because Gary wanted to own the game, even though "the game" is just people making up their own fun with pencils and paper and plastic fricking army men. It was never bottle-able. The closest you can come to bottling it is to fetishize an extremely-specific proprietary version of the rules, but then eventually everyone owns that rulebook and your bosses still want to make money so they try to build the bottle online.
>Universes Beyond resulted in DECREASED profits
Oh thank god, maybe they’ll stop doing it
you do realize its only going to get worse right? Hasbro will put the squeeze on wotc even harder than before. We're about to see wotc go full fricking moron in an attempt to keep this piece of shit company afloat
Okay? I haven't BOUGHT a book from WotC since the Manual of the Planes from 3E (not even 3.5). Why would I give a frick?
how was your takeaway from my post that we should be concerned? This is clearly a moment where we take out the popcorn and enjoy the shitshow as wotc goes even more turbojew
I only read the first half of the sentence. Sorry anon, I'm moronic. Have some more breasts.
Worst part is with a few alterations that can just be its own digimon.
I haven't played MTG since the release of Zendikar in 2009 but what's the point of WotC getting rid of blocks, dumping a new set every other 3 months and introducing all sorts of new boosters?
wotc thinks by dumping metric frick ton of product you can generate infinite profit without players feeling oversaturated with shit
The same power creep horseshit they started in 2010 with Planeswalkers after the recession nearly killed the. Gotta pay to keep updating your decks like a paypig ship of theseus.
same thing that tends to happen to all publicly traded companies
I like 5e because it upsets everybody.
Hasbro going down will just crystallise it as the definitive D and D, causing maximum seethe.
Is it any good? No idea
Liking something just because it makes people upset doesn't make you cool or interesting or in anyway substitutes for having an actual personality, you know that right?
>seethes
Seethe harder
Yes it does althoughbeit actually
>everybody
>the subset of the subculture that enjoys rpgs other than dnd
Pick one
What actually earns money for wizards from DND? You buy the rulebook then most people make their own shit
Have you walked into a games store lately? They sell fricking D&D branded dice sets for double the price of dedicated dice brands, miniatures that are often triple the price of unpainted Reaper shit, and giant monster figures and 3D dungeon scenery that can be several hundred dollars per box. And that’s ignoring all the clothes, plushies, and garbage knickknacks that gets slapped with the logo. D&D is a lifestyle brand.
People by splat books/supplements. They also buy things like alt covers and collected editions for whatever reason. You're overestimating just how much of their own shit people are willing to make.
Bingo. Hasbro doesn't see D&D (at least, as we've seen it for decades) as a real moneymaker despite how popular 5e has been. IIRC their revenue expectations are very high if they are going to give funding to anything.
Subscription models, merch, and the impending turning of D&D to a service with its own VTT are just the beginning. Why should large creators within the community be taking away from their bottom line with streaming and third party content? Why have an OGL? How are they going to keep making money once they've sold all the books to you?
It's only a matter of time, but thankfully tabletop will never die. We'll see what they do to the old TSR backlog that they've "republished" digitally in due time, though. I'm sure they'll turn it all into an always-online pdf viewer in-browser and replace the art with more nogs.
D&D can make huge amounts from supplements and peripherals, and WotC is apparently trying to tell Hasbro this over and over, but Hasbro is run by absolute backbirths who do not understand their own products and take tips from people actively trying to skim the company and crash it for profits.
It's an inherent problem with our entire system that all big companies are currently suffering from. When the only concern is creating an illusion of line goes up for shareholders, the actual purpose of a company falls apart.
D&Drones have this obsession that their game is somehow wildly profitable if only those darn dirty Hasbro execs would listen!
Amazing how we have to trust the experts on anything that’s government policy, but as the experts are businessmen suddenly everyone gets their say on how a billion dollar company should be run
Consider the possibility that D&D isn’t actually as profitable as you think just because it’s popular
I can hear your estrogen level.
He’s right tough dnd was never that profitable and the IP is hardly monetisable despite its brand recognition.
it is definitely profitable and monetisable, just not to the ridiculous extremes their operating costs and shareholders expect.
That's just it, they keep comparing themselves to videogames when they talk to their shareholders, "We're going to unlock the kind of recurrent spending that we see in videogames, but our products are way cheaper to manufacture and also we're a lifestyle brand, the golden goose is about to start laying."
They should really just focus on making a good mostly-free game, get all the broke neets playing it, then play the curve selling grownup toys and premium services to the people who already have the books. It's not just that they could be making more money based on the current level of popularity, it's that D&D could also be way more popular, by having a real OGL. They thought they would make money by releasing underpowered character options for free and putting overpowered character options in splatbooks, because they're trying to copy a freemium videogame model, but then people just use hilariously-overpowered wiki content because the wiki content is free,
D&D players are never going to spend money for nothing the way that Fortnight players do, D&D players are necessarily dissatisfied with videogames, they want the same sort of escapism but they want it to be tactile, they are not going to pay 1.99 USD to unlock the Decanter of Endless Water on their digital character sheet.
>dnd was never that profitable
Until it became a lifestyle brand. They turned D&D into a lifestyle brand that OTHER people can make money off of and then they failed to make money on it.
Also no one listens to 'government experts', even when they're real scientists respect in their field and they're just trying to stop you from killing yourself, he's comparing that to corporate executives who don't know anything and are believed by everyone, and he's telling you to stop questioning the corporate executives. This isn't a real position, he's just mad at everything.
How can you hear 0 of anything?
>Amazing how we have to trust the experts on anything that’s government policy, but as the experts are businessmen suddenly everyone gets their say on how a billion dollar company should be run
Because businesses are not being run by experts. Actual economists are for the most part pointing out how terrible all this is, and they keep being proven right.
It's not just Hasbro that's failing. All the big entertainment giants are falling apart for the same reasons. If you think the issue with Hasbro is that D&D, a brand that has made plenty of money before and currently has a bigger than ever market of paypiggies than ever, is the reason Hasbro is suffering the same malaise everyone else is, you're just delusional.
>Because businesses are not being run by experts.
Pssst anon, neither are governments or universities
The dnd market is made of the most consoomery consoomers there ever was. That they can't even milk those guys properly is a joke
Generating growth from pre-existing momentum is so easy that literally anyone can do it. They make the most braindead obvious decisions ever and dicksuckers like you pretend that they aren't stupid. wieners and friends are and the only success they have is from leeching off of other people's success in ways that don't actually make sense. Every decision that they could make that isn't obvious is wrong. This is true from both their perspective and hasbro's.
Agreed. A common saying for Hasbro os that they are experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Or that they kill the goose that laid the golden eggs because the merchant only wants feathers, eggs and meat, and golden eggs don't fit in the business model
For what it's worth, I've introduced a couple newbies who've never played a ttrpg before to something that isn't D&D and they've really liked it. I was honestly surprised at how much interest a weekly game of Dungeon Crawl Classics garnered at my university. Maybe Hasbro downsizing or getting chopped will lead to better games becoming popular. There are some normalgays who are fa/tg/uys in waiting, they just need to play good games instead of bad, popular ones. I think the best way to ensure the longevity of the hobby is to introduce new players to a wide variety of systems to show them that it isn't all D&D. I'm going to try running Hunter the Vigil and Call of Cthulhu next.
>make only crap that appeals to .1% of the population
>that .1% are disgusting and no one likes them
>sales fall
Oh no. Turns out not having basic business education is... le bad.
The answer is diversity and inclusion!
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/creating-the-look-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth
>Some characters may look different from previous depictions—and that's intentional. Great works of art like The Lord of the Rings are only enhanced by having multiple interpretations in the world. We believe ours will bring joy to many, many fans of both Magic and Tolkien. This fresh update was a conscious choice made in partnership between Wizards and MEE and was driven by two guiding principles:
>Diversity: The Lord of the Rings is about the different peoples of Middle-earth coming together to fight Sauron, finding strength in their diversity. Fans of all backgrounds have been enjoying these stories, characters, and locations for decades, and we wanted this set to reflect on that broad inclusion.
Then where is my interpretation of LOTR where every Hobbit is a horny Korean catgirl? Oh, right, that would actually make nerds happy, and happiness is haram
>Great works of art like The Lord of the Rings are only enhanced by having multiple interpretations in the world.
Yeah, because it makes the original look ten times better in comparison.
>literally Wakandan charge from Avengers: Endgame
>strong black woman kill Heliod, Vorinclex, and Jin-Gitaxias with ease
>more and more strong black woman every set
>traditionally white characters like Kayla, Aragorn, Eowyn, and Galadriel all being blackwashed
>Kaya and Teferi being pushed to the forefront, replacing white planeswalkers who used to be the face of Magic like Liliana and Jace
>Mirrodin/New Phyrexia literally got replaced by a plane full of Wakandans who will likely now play a huge role moving forward
I'll never ever understand this shit. I don't mind diversity but who the frick unironically wants to play as a black woman this much, I'm sure there are a few people out there that do but do they really think there is an overwhelmingly large demographic that dreams of this?
It’s just pandering for the sake of pandering, no deeper thought went into it.
>who the frick unironically wants
Well..
The best way to get people to stop talking about wealth disparity is to bring up racial divides... well played.
Kinda based.
noose-tier
people are too domesticated for this at this point but these disgusting homosexuals deserve an angry mob to drag them to a public square and set them of fire
After some anon posted a quote from one of the people who have a say at WotC, I lost all hope to ever see something cool again outside of UB.
It was something along the lines of
>[some phyrexian set] we did in the bast was really icky and we have moved on from that
>more and more strong black woman every set
>almost half of them are at least part white
lol, lmao
They think they're owning the chuds, but I actually feel giddy while casting removal on them, I love imagining those gruesome things happening to them lol
How come none of them are bad guys?
Cuz that's how Mafia works.
Raffine is a mob boss, and a fricking sphinx. I don't know even know why she's on that image.
Raffine ain't even "black".
She has more demonic traits than human.
Planeswalkers in general are terrible characters, but Teferi is one of the few ones I actually like. I don't like Kayla though.
>I don't like Kayla though.
Who?
If there is no book, they don't have a character and are just headcanon.
Adeline is black??
I thought she was mono-white
>Queen Kayla bix-Nood
mfw
the only one of these that's actually good isn't on the chart, I'm half-convinced the Legion of Dusk was an accident and WotC didn't even understand what they were doing with B/W conquistador vampires or think people would actually like them
legion of dusk was an accident. Originally wotc wanted them to be hated but they got way too liked by fans such that during a poll for which faction was their favorite in ixalan had to be cancelled since they were winning too hard
New vampire precon is my first deck because I love the idea of conquistador vampires.
Honestly shocked that it's something they can do still.
Kind of sad that a lot of the old ones aren't great as I would love to shove as many as possible into decks.
>Hasbro is Burning
Stopped reading there.
Good.
And let me guess.. The ''people'' who made it burn in the first place will come out as millionaires. And they will jump to another IP in less than a week.
I'm just wondering who will buy the IPs. I think the worst case scenario is that it will go to a chop-shop company and then Disney will buy the brands that actually matter and then mothball most of them (it's not that they want to sell MLP, it's redundant with their existing properties, but they would like it if nobody else could sell MLP because it competes with their existing properties).
>Disney
>buying anything right now
Elon Musk is looking to buy out Disney since they're in such a weak spot at the moment
I assume in 10 years there will be well known term for the dying star like, corporations that pump numbers by going on aggresive aquisition strategies that buy out firms to achieve market caps and golden parachutes until the eventual restructures happen: Disney and Microsoft's Xbox wing come to mind.
Obviously bad decisions get made all the time as once an organization gets complex enough, a lot of departments are loss leaders/future profits. But these AOL-Time Warner type deals seem a lot more common recently; might just be media efforts to squeeze money out of the "relatively" novel income from streaming services: netflix exploded, the owners of the IP wanted their own, people generally nor bothing to to quintuple their subsriptions due to the shittyness of the current market, followed by consolidations to offer compelling service.
>I'm just wondering who will buy the IPs.
Screencap this:
>Goliath and 999Games will get the board games like Monopoly, Battleship and Cluedo
>WoTC will go independent with blessings from investors
>MGA will buy up FurReal Friends and Furby
>The storytelling brands (Transformers, Ponies, Littlest Pet Shop, Joes, Power Rangers) will not go to the Japanese or one of the existing media companies since the Japs aren't that interested and the American media companies are all in disarray. Instead, it will end up in limbo for a couple of months until the money people create a new company to get something done.
It is very funny that people ITT are blaming it on nebulous definitions of wokeness when it says right in the post that it was due to "sluggish demand from a pullback in leisure spending and cautious inventory planning by retailers like Walmart and Target hurt Hasbro’s sales in the past year."
Never believe anything that was said in corporate speak.
Everything is because of wokes. Anything that says otherwise is also because of wokes.
>Hasbro is totally going to admit that they're losing money due to their executives repeatedly fricking up
have a nice day moron.
>be warned for years that the people who buy into leftist garbage are fleeting
>they desire only to see their flag raised and then move on
>ignore such criticisms because you are a moronic leftist
>it comes to pass
>this was totally because of something else tho!!! I uhh I just can’t name anything else is all
Massive debts from buying a movie studio and then selling it again?
why weren't the movies profitable?
It's rent free in these peoples' heads.
It certainly isn't paying rent over at WotC either
It is, actually. The sensitivity consultants and diversity hires distract people from the large-scale layoffs, that's their purpose. Making Aragorn black was great publicity and it was completely free.
>by paying more people who do frickall more money we're making money!
>great, where's that money?
>uhhhh do you accept angry tweets as currency?
Lol
Earlier, I said something about how the One Ring Lottery provided a set quantity of sales, and that there was nothing they could change with regards to the content of the set that would have multiplied that quantity of sales. Sorry, I was completely wrong there, the truth is that anything which creates a media buzz around the LoTR set is also advertising the One Ring Lottery. There's no way it would have sold as well with a white Aragorn.
>Making Aragorn black was great publicity and it was completely free.
Shitting your pants brings you attention for a while, but eventually everyone gets bored of your smell.
You mad.
I'm mad happy to see Hasbro stock tank.
Hasbro stock isn't tanking because it's mostly held by investment firms like ~~*Blackrock*~~ and ~~*Vanguard*~~ as well as retirement funds. So barely anything moves.And they all believe wieners' lies as well.
That's understandable, but personally I'm not, the people who caused all the problems are just going to make a ton of cash and find new jobs, the people who suffer for it aren't the ones who deserve to suffer for it. And I don't dare hope that any of the IPs will be picked up by better companies. I also don't expect Hasbro to file bankruptcy tomorrow, I expect them to stumble on for a few more years growing even more pathetic as ruling-class parasites extract oil from this dying whale. There's no justice in this, it's all a big con.
But I also think that you are heavily emotionally invested in the idea that America secretly hates woke media, which is because you're out of touch, and I'm worried about you. I think that most Americans openly hate racists and sexists, and I think that you are in deep, deep denial about that.
Nta but why wouldn't I be invested in the destruction of a company that is actively destroying the aspects of my hobby?
The company isn't a person. The people who destroyed your hobby have been richly rewarded for doing so. You're a tool.
Their target audience is still soccer moms. Soccer moms want gay representation, soccer moms want strong female characters, soccer moms want to see shallow idyllic depictions of racial diversity. You are in deep denial.
Disney went on an insane decade-long spending spree because they thought they were going to own all of America's stories and make unlimited profit, it's not that different from Hasbro's attempts to 'unlock recurrent spending', capitalism is a degenerative disease.
>Their target audience is still soccer moms. Soccer moms want gay representation, soccer moms want strong female characters, soccer moms want to see shallow idyllic depictions of racial diversity. You are in deep denial.
NTA but holy shit, the amount of denial on YOUR side. Prime example of projection and gaslighting
>Soccer moms want gay representation
No they don't. Just watch the Florida Disneyland debacle. Soccer Moms are in the frontlines of the troony bathroom fights too.
>soccer moms want strong female characters, soccer moms want to see shallow idyllic depictions of racial diversity.
So why are the movies flopping then? Used to be soccer moms took their kids to see every fricking Disney film and bought princess merchandises all the time. Frozen an excellent example of the usual Disney soccer mom princess merchandise business.
>capitalism is a degenerative disease.
Oh you're a mentally ill troony, that checks out. You're in deep denial about your receding hairline, that much is clear.
>Soccer Moms are in the frontlines of the troony bathroom fights too.
You're right, there are way more trannies into D&D than into Disney, which is reflected in the stories that these brands choose to tell.
>So why are the movies flopping then?
Streaming changed everything, then covid changed it again. Do you actually think that Disney movies are flopping because of brown people? You do, don't you?
Anon, they're not moronic, they're just self-interested. Hasbro is a moronic character if you view it as a single character, but it isn't, it's a predictable process of ruling-class c**ts taking the piss and passing the consequences off to the public.
>Do you actually think that Disney movies are flopping because of brown people?
Who is the target audience for the Safe And Boring Adventures of Fat Black Lesbians? Nobody. Like women's sports, even women don't watch that crap. So yes. Unironically they're going the wrong direction by diluting their entertainment products with political correctness and diversity to a point everyone finds them boring.
>Streaming changed everything,
People are back in theaters, find another excuse.
>Muh Covid
Restrictions have been lifted for years, another lame excuse that doesn't fly.
>You're right, there are way more trannies into D&D than into Disney, which is reflected in the stories that these brands choose to tell.
And which is why the newer editions are shit and only serve as entry to the hobby until they find better older books for their rpg sessions.
You've trained yourself to think of whiteness as a talisman of success, and maybe that's true for you on a personal level (like if it helps you get out of bed), but it isn't true in the wider world and it hasn't been for 20 years now.
In the 80s or 90s, yea, you had to whitewash everything. And then corporate inertia caused them to keep whitewashing things after it stopped being trendy, I'm sure it will be the same with token blacks, but that's still far in the future.
>Strawman
>Reddit spacing.
Typical troony.
No oldgay has ever complained about reddit spacing, every single person who complains about reddit spacing is a poser. You gays all got banned from reddit in 2015-2016 so you came here and immediately accused the natives of being from reddit.
>No oldgay has ever complained about reddit spacing,
Time for you to go back to your discord now, pedo.
Those are called paragraphs you elementary school dropout.
Congrats on the dumbest take I've ever seen on this board. It's quite the achievement.
You're right, 80s and 90s was well into 'mindless inertia' territory, 60s and 70s is when you actually had to whitewash everything. Then they kept whitewashing everything in the 80s and 90s because of mindless inertia.
I think picrel put it best; Hasbro fricked everything up because of moronic management that didn't understand its own brands.
Kek I live in California and the number one complaint I hear from actual mothers is all the LGBTQ shit being forced down their kids throats. The only women you see promoting this shit are always unattractive childless dangerhairs. I hope you get paid to gaslight here
Don't respond to such obvious bait.
>But I also think that you are heavily emotionally invested in
>I think that most Americans openly hate racists and sexists, and I think that you are in deep, deep denial about that.
So why is Hasbro not doing well, why is not the entire entertainment industry doing badly? I'm intriqued about your delusional excuses as to why companies like Disney are doing historically bad in the job market when they decided to switch their target audience from soccer moms to mentally ill degenerates.
>1. intentionally do something that most people dislike, especially your paying customers
>2. all publicity is good publicity(?)
>3. ???
>4. profit
Someday they will realize that even if a product with this garbage sells (which it often doesn't) it is because the usual core audience who bought the product for many years and made it popular in the first place still buys it not because of this garbage but despite of it (while the people it is supposed to appeal to are nowhere to be found except for comment sections). And when they do I hope they bite themselves in the ass about all the extra profit they pissed away, because I guarantee you regular old LotR would've sold much more, because it's fricking LotR. Hell, I would've bought the LotR cards even though I don't even remember the last time I played Magic.
>And when they do I hope they bite themselves in the ass about all the extra profit they pissed away, because I guarantee you regular old LotR would've sold much more, because it's fricking LotR.
Pure wishful thinking. You spend a lot of time and effort trying to convince yourself that the rest of America is angry about token blacks. You want to believe that people agree with you and sympathize with you but they don't. You are the boggieman that rainbow capitalism frames itself against.
>You spend a lot of time and effort trying to convince yourself that the rest of America is angry about token blacks.
They're not angry, they're just disinterested in products that don't stay faithful to the source material. That general apathy translates to bad sales.
"Why can't they make original stories and new characters instead of making bad adaptations of old stories and changing characters I liked"
Is a near universal sentiment. Usually we settle on "writing is hard. Mangling a remake is them being lazy"
I dunno. These days, in our house, we watch some food network and gameshow network; some movies and shows from the '90s and '2000s; and then K-Dramas and Chinese costume dramas and European historical fiction. Very little of anything that requires "writers" that was made in North America in the past decade.
Netflix's Castlevania was good. That's the main decent thing I can remember from the past 5 years. There hasn't been much.
>Netflix's Castlevania was good.
Until they botched Death and let Dracula be redeemed from Hell, where he definitely belongs. I found it pretty amusing that Carmilla was such a non-threat a lieutenant merked her and so stupid she didn't realize that God allowing a zombie bishop to bless a river meant her plan was going to frick her over.
Anon, you had to write 4 sentences of baseless assumptions about me to make a point so you do you really think you have one? But I give you this much, you might be right about me being their boggieman, because one of the very obvious reasons everything is currently crashing and burning is them pushing people like me away by taking us for seething fringe neckbeards, when I'm really just some random dude with a job you walk by on the street without even noticing and that represents a big chunk of the disposable income and buying power most of this shit is built on. So good luck to "rainbow capitalism", because by the looks of it me and boogiegang are winning by doing literally nothing at all.
>baseless
Your ass is hanging out. Anyone who reads your posts can tell what your politics are, and those politics represent a tiny sliver of the population and of the market, you talk shit online (anonymously) to try to convince yourself otherwise.
>sluggish demand from a pullback in leisure spending
Yes, and I wonder why that was, anon?
>sluggish demand from a pullback in leisure spending
this is cope. leisure spending on shit that people actually like INCREASES during economic recession. Fricking videogames and booze were the only industries to grow during the 2008 recession, everyone and their mother was stuck inside since they couldn't afford to go out and do shit.
For further proof, just look at Games Workshop's runaway success this year with 10th edition. It's not people being reluctant to spend money on /tg/ shit, it's D&D and WotC being fricking radioactive and actively burning through any lingering goodwill.
>It ascribed the fall to higher royalty costs associated with its Universes Beyond sets, which feature characters and brands from other IPs including Doctor Who, The Lord of the Rings and Warhammer 40,000.
Alright, time to place bets on 6e's mechanics
Good.
This means we are starting to get to the final third of the Gen Z cycle - the oldest are nearing 25 now and the real world is done humouring their bullshit, the youngest are teenagers and beginning to question or rebel against everything they are being told they should follow and want to go their own way.
They will leave little if anything behind; everything has been based on temporary trends and reinterpretations of classics that don't have the same foundations to stand the test of time.
Normally big businesses like Hasbro tend to shrink rather than go outright bust as there is still a market there, just not the market they seem to think is there. So I won't be surprised to see even more brutal butchers to carve away the fat, or at the least have less of a risk appetite to stray into fads too hard. It's a pro on one hand as the immediate annoyances tend to get addressed, but bad on the other because new ones just tag along.
It's also not without other drawbacks. No one ever really benefits with a major player in any market failing, as there's risk someone with no knowledge or soul coming in and utterly trashing what's left (i.e. the last of the good stuff). Once one vulture comes it's not long before the small fry capitulate and let others come rape out whatever revenue they can. That and genuinely some things haven't been too bad.and don't deserve it.
Usually this plays out over 10 years or so. That is too long for me now, I'm too old to continue. I'm nearly 40 and not long left for the world, but from the looks of it I'll die happy knowing that this era of gaming is also almost dead too.
>Nearly 40
>Not long left for the world
How fricked up are you?
We live in a world that has repeatedly hammered into our heads than if you're out of your 20s you're a half-dead fossil just waiting to die.
> I'm nearly 40 and not long left for the world
Either you have aggressive cancer or you're having a really funny midlife crisis.
NTA, I'm a completely different almost-40 year old going through a completely different weird midlife crisis, but it's not a lie. Sedentary pieces of shit don't last as long as healthy active people, even if they have no major addictions or health problems, and their minds and bodies go to shit a lot faster than a healthy person's would.
I also know healthy hard-working people who expect to die in their 40s just because most of the people in their family die in their 40s, some people just have bad genes. And then they compound it by drinking, because frick it, so would I.
My family history says that I could see 80, but I don't really want to, not if it means being a miserable immobile wraith for 20 years.
>So what does the future look like for D&D and MTG in 2024?
bright.
because it means someone else can pick up the IPs and not treat them like fortnite to flip a quick buck.
SEVEN
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what you morons never seem to realize is this is their sales strategy and has been for years now.
they WANT to ruin the company. running a company into the ground and milking every last drop of profit is far more lucrative in the short-term than the long con of putting effort and time into your brand.
so the buissness strategy of hasbro is to lose 1 billion dollars?
unironically yes.
the owners of the company can do whatever they want and keep the cash flowing in for them and exclusively them. did you notice how the has to ownership were patting their backs over their fat fricking christmas bonuses? after firing thousands of people? because profits were down? it's the corporate version of burning your house down to collect insurance money.
please, correct me if I'm wrong.
You can't.
>and keep the cash flowing i
what cash?
they LOST a billion dolars
do you even know how much money is a fricking billion dolars?
1.000.000.000,00 dolars
>they LOST a billion dolars
HAsbro lost money, some of it in bonus to them.
>they LOST a billion dolars
they didn't 'LOSE' a billion dollars, they SPENT MONEY UNWISELY and FAILED TO MAKE A RETURN.
the intern didn't accidentally drop a billion dollars down the elevator shaft, they put a frickload of money into things people didn't want and came up a billion dollars in the red.
People that were likely not involved in any of these decisions are out of work so the people that keep making the bad decisions can continue to make bad decisions.
The big payoff is when the company has gone belly up and people can start auctioning off properties to pay for their next round of investments.
Yes. Do realise that despite how big the company is and how many things they might be doing at a time, everything is still run by some suits in a board of investors who don't even need to actually run the company.
Where you see a big company failing, crashing and "burning money", they see a box with a label that has a 50$ sign scratched with "now worth 40$" next to it. All these guys need to do is sell this box for that amount or more and all is good, then buy a new box. Every worker, product or legacy the company had doesn't matter, because you care about the brand, not the guys putting money in it.
To us, Bobby Kotick stepping up as the CEO of a company is the worst omen, it means that company is now on borrowed time until the eventual death for bankruptcy or sold to someone else. For the suits, that's a relief, because Kotick specialises on milking companies to death and minimizing losses, if not turning profit. A "publicly traded" company has to report all their moves, profits, revenues and lsoes, but the paper saying "the COMPANY lost 2Billions" does not mean the actual guys behind it did, it means the bussiness did. And most of the time, they already have some way to escape that. Their deals also exist over long periods of time, and in many cases their debts can't catch up to them. Doesn't matter how much you bleed if you're getting an equally filling transfusion from somewhere else.
Your mistake was assuming they play by the same rules as we poor people do, where we have a limit on how much money we can lose or invest.
you telling me that making aragorn black didnt make them rich?
but i tought the battle WHEEL CHAIR was going to save the company
Tales of Middle earth would've sold triple if they kiwiwashed everyone instead of blackwashing the whitest characters
Who cares, all I want to see from Hasbro is a decent Swampy's Revenge sequel
Is their an avenue of geek fandom that isn't doing shit except for goddamn manga for some fricking reason? Comics? Shit. Board games? Shit. Movies? Shit!
Quick print more combat wheelchairs and trannies
THD
>"Wizards also suffered an operating profit drop of 2% in 2023, Hasbro revealed. It ascribed the fall to higher royalty costs associated with its Universes Beyond sets, which feature characters and brands from other IPs including Doctor Who, The Lord of the Rings and Warhammer 40,000."
Good, completely soulless fandom wanking slop
I do love big companies trying to charge premium prices during world-wide recession then acting surprised when their new products flop completely. The simplest way to avoid a big loss during recession (and doing a small contribution of ending recession) is to simply lower the prices. First company that has big sales is the company that wins and the rest sink to the bottom.
Ya once something starts to show is politics like dnd and mtg have done i cash out of 100% rather give my money to a nobody who is funding their game then ever give them my internet moneys
Does your ESL county even have any actual currency you could give to anybody?
I've SEEN things... you people wouldn't believe. Hasbro burning off the shoulder of D&D podcasts. I watched magic foils bend in the dark near LGBTQ secret lairs. All those moments will be lost in time like, koff, tears in rain. Time to die.
There's basically no reason this should be the case. They legitimately threaded the needle with D&D 5e and it enjoyed mass market appeal unprecedented since (and much more profit-making than) the glory days of AD&D. Magic is making obscene amounts of money. The only reason Hasbro is failing is corporate incompetency.
Didn't they just pay out a huge shareholder dividend?
they will tomorrow
>Dividends are 70 cents per share, or 90 million USD total
>Profits are 38 cents per share, before compounding costs.
Tomorrow can actually be the day they die.
>Execs own tons of shares in company because they've been given them
>Give themselves huge dividends while the company burns around them
>Leave and get a job somewhere else because they have experience and that's all that matters to corpos
>????
>Profit
Executives are parasites and our corporate system is broken. D&D will probably be bought out by chinks who'll wipe their ass with the IP.
China isn't doing too hot right now either, so more likely saudis are going to buy D&D.
>al-qadim comes back
>women adventurers are banned
uh BASED?
>DMs get replaced with hot Arab women who'll carry their children while hosting a new game every night
That could actually happen. I recall reading some 2010's article about an african version of MTG which had very 1001 nights set-style of artwork.
If the Saudis buy it we'll have a chance. They'll probably just hire a bunch of Americans and Europeans to write the books anyways.
But there is a good chance it will be heavily censored. Women will be covered up. Any mention of religion will probably be extremely censored too. They might not even have demons and angels anymore.
>But there is a good chance it will be heavily censored.
What makes you think that?
Wow, they rape sacks of potatoes in China?
Imagine having a DnD session and the GM prompts your group to chase a bunch of potato thieves.
Cool it with the anti Irish sentiment.
Well, theyre not just stealing potatoes, potatoes are the lifeblood of the village. It makes schnapps, food, and you wear the sacks when you're done with it. I woulda offered your sister but they insisted on taking everything I have instead
People nowadays massively underestimate how big of a deal stealing food back in the day. There was a reason that cattle rustlers tended to get hanged.
Yea, they had to tone it down for the western version.
Don't knock a potato sack til you've tried it.
Nah Saudis are based.
>news flash: Guy who wants to keep his job doesn't risk publicly insulting his boss
>bought out by chinks
>IP
>bought out by chinks
?????
>MAGIC OR D&D IS DEEEEEAD
Ah. More people being stupid.
Even if the hasblow ship sinks and goes under. The two properties are so fricking big and iconic some other company will swoop in and pick up the licenses.
D&D will never die. Even if the next edition bombs D&D will continue. And continue until people are burning RPGs at the stake in the lords name again. It's already lived through a few dud editions, and a religious banning, one more won't affect it.
Or more unlikely another RPG rises that captivates the general public and overshadows it. But this won't be the promised land that Indie-faqs are hoping for because whatever rises will likely be just as hated as D&D.
I could see magic burning to the ground in the future, but another company is going to pick it up first. We'll get a few more years(!) out of it at least. But honestly? Unlikely. The name makes money by itself even when the PR for it is literally as low as can go.
>Even if the hasblow ship sinks and goes under. The two properties are so fricking big and iconic some other company will swoop in and pick up the licenses.
Yeah which might be fricking morons who go full moron on the brand because they only see money and don't understand shit about it.
/tg/ is not alone in this: /toy/ wants Transformers in capable hands, same for /mlp/ with the Horseshow. But it seems like everyone will get screwed
A fellow /toy/, what's up my man?
I actually wish the bronies and transformers collectors the best and hope for them that the corpos won't frick them over. Thoughts and prayers
Based.
If we actually get good TF and Horse shows I'd watch that with my kids
>The two properties are so fricking big and iconic some other company will swoop in and pick up the licenses.
If it's a media company that picks it up, we'd get a Series, movie, or Netflix launch of it. No real support for the game. It will get 2 sessions at least and either be cancelled or conclude, and people will forget. That's the only real way I see either finishing.
>It ascribed the fall to higher royalty costs associated with its Universes Beyond sets, which feature characters and brands from other IPs including Doctor Who, The Lord of the Rings and Warhammer 40,000."
Could this please be true and we drop the UB for good?
They should put more ugly black people in the cards and write more troony lore. That would fix everything.
>Hasbro is burning
"We don't need no water, let the motherfricker burn!"