>Have to penny pinch and make hard decisions
>Except by midgame money doesn't even matter at all
Are there any RPG/Strategy games that have *good* economies that don't fall apart (or at least don't fall apart until post-game)?
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RE4's Remake on Professional is pretty great since you always have relevant purchases to make and actually do have to make choices about what to prioritize basically the whole game.
Not that it is perfect, but tying 'currency' items to the *same* items that are used to craft items is an excellent idea. PoE's economy isn't perfect or anything but the core premise of it works out really well.
>start trading
>the game falls apart
>don't trade
>can't find shit to craft the items
I wouldn't call that a functioning economy
you can get around that by playing something that doesn't rely so much on items like the Witch but I liked playing Ranger
it is, you just need to pass the tutorial area
The economy falling apart in the late game is part of the core fantasy of an rpg
It symbolizes your progression and ascension past mortal concerns
A balanced economy is a not a ~~*good economy*~~. There is always an ~~*invisible hand*~~, goyim cattle!
>t. enlightened
There's already economy discussion on the barter thread. Could be better to have one big thread for the subject. Just saying.
Plenty. Mostly MMOs.
They have this calculated economy where you'll never be rich till post game since by the time you hit the next tier of gear at the shops it'll cost you all your money to get half of the next set, then you grind for the rest of the set with monsters that will drop loot exactly proportional to the gear price and exp required to level to the next tier at those levels and repeat for the next tier and every tier after that.
Is that what you want?
Tactics ogre one vision is like this. You're always strapped for cash and have to sell everything
Nioh 2 as well, soul matching costs a lot
It's not an RPG, but old Dwarf Fortress had a novel take on late-game economy
In new games dwarves would work for free and just picked up whatever they wanted from your stockpiles
In the late game the economy would "turn on", meaning that food, room, items, etc. now cost money, and jobs now produced money. dwarves could now starve due to lack of money, or find new ways of being happy and satisfied by being rich
bad UI and design made it a nightmare for the player, but it was a cool and immersive premise none the less
anyway, I think that "the entire economy system radically changes eventually" would be a neat idea to explore in an RPG, and you could easily tie it into the story or themes of the game
>Are there any RPG/Strategy games that have *good* economies that don't fall apart (or at least don't fall apart until post-game)?
Knights of the Chalice 2
Problem is games are never balanced for the kind of player who does everything. Games have to be completable by players who just do the "critical path" and nothing else.
>Problem is games are never balanced for the kind of player who does everything
Knights of the Chalice 2 is
true, but also "everything" might actually be impossible to define
if your game has enemies that drop money or sellable items and they spawn infinitely then your economy has no ceiling.
designers can make guesses based on the average amount of enemies encountered, average amount of quests, etc. etc., but those guesses are doomed to fail as the game goes on
Minmaxers will always go beyond the balance, and minmaxers like it that way.
Better to balance it for non-autistic players.
i think the autismos are already being ignored, the real problem are the casuals and journalists
they draw the averages down so low that even average players break the economy by normal play
that's why literally who RPGs often have better economies, because either they don't give a shit about casuals or their average player base is just much more competent
Witcher 3 did this and it sucked, you got enough xp from the main quest to complete the main quest, so you rapidly ended up overleveled if you did any kind of side questing. At the other extreme, if it’s balanced for a completionist, then nothing is optional or a side quest.
Probably best compromise I’ve seen, though they’re mediocre games, is how in Pillars of Eternity, completionist players at a high level are given an option to upscale content to match them, if they want to do so.
POE also tried to make it so quests were the primary way to get experience and gold. in fact monster kills after a certain point gave you nothing and were a net-negative in resources
ironically it was one of many reasons the game felt so soulless lol
>Probably best compromise I’ve seen, though they’re mediocre games, is how in Pillars of Eternity, completionist players at a high level are given an option to upscale content to match them, if they want to do so.
Pillars issue was completely self imposed by idiotic design. For some bizarre reason (I assume it was snobby devs looking down on RPG players obsession with big numbers) Pillars had linearly scaling xp requirements per level. In a sensible exponential system if you're having trouble advancing and don't want to turn down the difficulty you do sidecontent in the area you're in to earn a level or two, and whether you helped grandma pick apples back in tutorialville is of absolutely no consequence in the grand scheme of things. In an exponential system you can easily ensure completionists are only slightly ahead of bare minimalist throughout the whole game, but in a linear system you need level scaling because the completionist will have hit the cap halfway through while the bare minimalist still won't have reached it at the end of the game.
Sawyer have peepee going to poopoo
I'm playing Gothic 2 now, and they managed to allow decent challenges at higher stages of the game, even with a linear system.
There are simply limited enemies, quests, and loot (outside of clear exploits like Barret selling infinite Raw Steel)
Even if I've cleared about everything that I can, it just pushes me a decent amount above someone who cleared like 50% of stuff. Same with Gothic 1
Also, some of the benefits that I have gained are somewhat of a waste to use now, because increasing my Strength by 1 point will cost more at higher levels, so I'd rather save the Strength boosting potions for later
This, normalgays will just beeline through the main quest so they can check the game off on their list and devs make their games with those people in mind.
Tactics Ogre Reborn assuming you don't abuse the craft resell oversight
You idiot, I was disparaging the fine tuned, perfectly balanced MMO economy.
I know, that's why I called your post based and redpilled.
A functional economy is SUPPOSED to generate surplus and lift every boat, an economy that totals to zero when you add up and substract all profits and costs is a stagnant one.
nuGanker
I know dude it's like they don't even understand that the 1% becoming billionaires while everyone else gets poorer year on year is the new normal.
If they only consulted the charts and graphics they'd realize the economy has never been better!
Don't you just love Bidenomics? I'm voting for him again this year
> I know dude it's like they don't even understand that the 1% becoming billionaires while everyone else gets poorer year on year is the new normal.
This is anti-Semitic. Delete this
megaten has an infinite money sink in the compendium so it tends to stay relevent
>you're poor as shit early on before you become a supreme warrior-king conqueror
no shit
>nein anon, you do not understand. You are supposed to eat ze bugz, own nothing and be happy. Barely scraping by while ze money you earn fails to keep up with inflated prices ist how you know ze economy ist working properly, both in ze videogames und in real life
To be fair though, video games could afford to give more money sinks later on. Endless gear treadmills in shops is the most lazy way of going about this.