If you add even more arbitrary criteria you could probably cut it down to 5-10 pokemon.
Starly/Bidoof doesn't count because there's a regional bird in rat every game, Pachirisu doesn't count because it's a pikaclone etc.
The sinnoh regional dex, ESPECIALLY pre-platinum, is the worst regional dex in the series. It's only 150 mons (if manaphy counts, so does mew in gen 1), yet there's so much more filler. 11 mons in this already limited dex are babies. They give the best mons in the game to you right at the start (for example, the starly line), and then lock trash like noctowl and chatot until far later in the game. The roserade line at the start, only to have cherrim and locked behind asinine and tedious shit. That's why everyone had the exact same in game teams for gen 4. 80% of the mons weren't good, and the majority of that 20% are given to you before even fighting gym 1.
Ah, yes, they just "happened" to pick the regional dex being 150 mons (with a 151st mythical legendary) completely at random and with no intention of doing so.
That's exactly how it worked, at least in Gen 2 when baby Pokemon were introduced there could only ever haven been 250 or so Pokemon and over half of that was the mons from Gen 1, yet Game Freak decided that babies were more or a priorty than evos for the likes of Yanma, Gligar, and Aipom actaully be worth a damn and to this day Johto is hated for "single stage shitter" and "usless babies".
The hard limit was certain higher in the DS era, but logically there had to have been one
I was specifically referring to the fact that the sinnoh regional dex in DiaPer is a "curated" list of 150 mons, which means it was likely chosen to be 150 from the start because "muh kanto". This means that yes, every filler mon like babies that are added is a real mon that doesn't get in.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Happiny might be the most worthless pokemon ever made. At least most other babymons can theoretically be used on a team if you find them earlygame. Meanwhile this piece of shit is given to you in DP 5 seconds before the Chansey route, has an evo method that lies to your face, and is utterly worthless in any fight
6 months ago
Anonymous
Happiny might be the most worthless pokemon ever made. At least most other babymons can theoretically be used on a team if you find them earlygame. Meanwhile this piece of shit is given to you in DP 5 seconds before the Chansey route, has an evo method that lies to your face, and is utterly worthless in any fight
Baby mons were one of the dumbest things to come out of gen 2, but at least you can see a purpose behind them, they exist to show off the new breeding and egg mechanics. What purpose does adding 8 babies to gen 4 serve?
Been a bit since I’ve played it, but I’m pretty sure Rotom and all of the new evos except for Mismagius and Honchcrow(version exclusives) are available before the postgame. Croagunk can also be caught outside of the Safari zone.
Also pretty sure Hippopotas isn’t actually locked behind Unown they just increase its encounter rate.
>fossilmons still exclusive, but what line you can get is random >glameow/stunky/murkrow/misdreavus lines unobtainable >croagunk can be found outside the marsh >a large amount of crossgens can be obtained ingame, but there's still a bunch of them that require trade evolving >dialga and palkia are obtainable, but they're post E4
Pretty much what happens is you trade 4 evo lines for crossgens that you might not even be able to use, depending on if you can trade or not. Outside of that most of the variety comes from there being a few older mons sprinkled through the game. The dex is still pretty small, barely any bigger than Emerald, if at all.
Slightly bigger than emerald's dex, but the vast majority of additions are things that should have been in the base game to begin with, like the new evos. If you take out 4th gen pokemon and their accompanying evolution lines, the only additions that platinum made to the regional dex are swablu, altaria, houndour, houndoom, and absol.
Honestly it just plain baffles me why they made so many pokemon obnoxiously hard to get, especially when so many of the hard to get mons aren't actually good.
Now apply these arbitrary standards to Hoenn and Johto
But everything worth using IS given to you for free on route 201. That's literally the entire problem, they give you the best mons in the game at the start, and lock lesser mons to much further in the game, and behind several layers of tedium.
You're gonna tell me that it's worth swapping out the staraptor on your team for a noctowl or chatot? Your luxray for a pachirisu or pikachu? Your bibarel for a lopunny/glameow or golduck/floatzel/seaking/mantine? Your roserade for a cherrim or carnivine? Your kadabra for a mr mime or chimecho?
I'm not the one who needs to try playing the game.
>bidoof evolves at level 15 >glameow evolves at level 38, is obtained later, has a more shallow movepool, and worse stats in everything except special attack and speed
>worth
You can leave spots open on your team, and only train the ones you intend to use. Then when you catch the lategame mon, put them as leads to get them up to level.
Alternatively, you can grind lategame mon.
Personally, I tend to do the first thing (leaving open slots).
I've been planning to replay all 3 sinnoh games, and a few members of my teams are going to be relatively late game. I'm just gonna prioritize using them when I get them, so they catch up in level.
It's not a big issue, except for autists
"If you play like a moron, it doesn't matter!" is not an argument
6 months ago
Anonymous
>play like a moron
have a nice day you subhuman
1) The game is an RPG, so grinding is not unreasonable, ergo you are a subhuman level of intellect
2) If you don't want to grind, you can organize your npc encounters so you have enough to train your lategame mon
If you don't want to do either of these because you want to use the pokemon earlier, you can use trading. Trade eggs over and hatch them, then trade them back and grind them, then trade them back and use them. This is for autists like you.
If you want the game to be designed for your exact specific taste, then have a nice day. No one else is obligated to care about the opinion of a subhuman such as yourself
This isn't Smogon moron, use whatever you please. And yes Luxray actually is weaker than Raichu and Bibarel is weaker than a bunch of shit you just listed. Plus you leave out pokemon like Drifblim and Bronzong.
By the time you get to the late game, you have invested quite a bit into your initial pokemon. If the pokemon you find in the endgame are weak, then there's no incentive to use them. >But I like the weak pokemon
That's on you, then. It's bad game design.
Sinnoh's variety feels like if you got Abra (with an actual attack), Doduo, and Tauros before Brock, whereas stuff like Pidgey and Drowzee was only found after the fourth gym. Why the hell would you use the stuff you find later?
Jesus Lord the gen 4 design philosophy is ugly as frick. If I were an oldgay back in the day I'd have dipped after the GBA era too. Not talking about the quality of the Dex or their availability. The designs themselves are also incredibly fricking shitty.
>If I were an oldgay back in the day I'd have dipped after the GBA era
Nah. You wouldn't have your zoomer taste if you were born back then.
I don't understand what is so zoomer about calling every dex after gen 3 hit or miss at best and consistently awful at worst. Most zoomer fans I know either go out of their way to say most gens are the same quality or they say Unova has the best dex design
you see how many of that generation's new pokemon were hard to get, it ends up with you using pokemon from the previous games instead
that's why I really liked black and white, not having to use the same old same old pokemon
Johto is nothing but KANTOOOO's backyard, Johto's dex is supposed to lame as frick and out of the way that the GenWun Pokemon can look better. What the frick is Sinnoh's excuse, isn't it supposed to be the Ultimate Region?
Some of the stuff crossed out makes zero sense. What exactly makes crobat unavailable? Lopunny is notoriously the worst happiness evo in the game due to buneary having a base happiness of zero, and it wasn't crossed out for sinnoh, so how is crobat so egregious in comparison? Mareep line is only unavailable in crystal, so if we're going by that, ledyba, spinarak, and plenty others are found in crystal. You get a sun stone for belossom in one of the easiest challenges in the entire series, and a very early eevee for either espeon or umbreon, right next to the daycare and dittos to get the other one. At least be consistent.
As a Hoenngod i have to say Sinnoh has a better dex than Hoenn, although Swampert, Flygon and Rayquaza mog the ever living shit out of every mon on the list
That’s a very based dex
I still don’t get why they added autistic scribbles on top of that pic though
>scribbles
the last good pokedex
Probably the worst Dex in the series.
If you add even more arbitrary criteria you could probably cut it down to 5-10 pokemon.
Starly/Bidoof doesn't count because there's a regional bird in rat every game, Pachirisu doesn't count because it's a pikaclone etc.
The sinnoh regional dex, ESPECIALLY pre-platinum, is the worst regional dex in the series. It's only 150 mons (if manaphy counts, so does mew in gen 1), yet there's so much more filler. 11 mons in this already limited dex are babies. They give the best mons in the game to you right at the start (for example, the starly line), and then lock trash like noctowl and chatot until far later in the game. The roserade line at the start, only to have cherrim and locked behind asinine and tedious shit. That's why everyone had the exact same in game teams for gen 4. 80% of the mons weren't good, and the majority of that 20% are given to you before even fighting gym 1.
Baby pokemon are based.
Not when they take a slot that could have gone to an actual mon
What makes you think they took the spot of "actual" pokemon?
Ah, yes, they just "happened" to pick the regional dex being 150 mons (with a 151st mythical legendary) completely at random and with no intention of doing so.
>slot
Smashgays need the role
>role
That's not how that works.
That's exactly how it worked, at least in Gen 2 when baby Pokemon were introduced there could only ever haven been 250 or so Pokemon and over half of that was the mons from Gen 1, yet Game Freak decided that babies were more or a priorty than evos for the likes of Yanma, Gligar, and Aipom actaully be worth a damn and to this day Johto is hated for "single stage shitter" and "usless babies".
The hard limit was certain higher in the DS era, but logically there had to have been one
I was specifically referring to the fact that the sinnoh regional dex in DiaPer is a "curated" list of 150 mons, which means it was likely chosen to be 150 from the start because "muh kanto". This means that yes, every filler mon like babies that are added is a real mon that doesn't get in.
Happiny might be the most worthless pokemon ever made. At least most other babymons can theoretically be used on a team if you find them earlygame. Meanwhile this piece of shit is given to you in DP 5 seconds before the Chansey route, has an evo method that lies to your face, and is utterly worthless in any fight
Baby mons were one of the dumbest things to come out of gen 2, but at least you can see a purpose behind them, they exist to show off the new breeding and egg mechanics. What purpose does adding 8 babies to gen 4 serve?
Cool.
Now include the 'mons you can get before the E4 by using the Void glitch.
How much of this did Platinum fix?
Been a bit since I’ve played it, but I’m pretty sure Rotom and all of the new evos except for Mismagius and Honchcrow(version exclusives) are available before the postgame. Croagunk can also be caught outside of the Safari zone.
Also pretty sure Hippopotas isn’t actually locked behind Unown they just increase its encounter rate.
>fossilmons still exclusive, but what line you can get is random
>glameow/stunky/murkrow/misdreavus lines unobtainable
>croagunk can be found outside the marsh
>a large amount of crossgens can be obtained ingame, but there's still a bunch of them that require trade evolving
>dialga and palkia are obtainable, but they're post E4
Pretty much what happens is you trade 4 evo lines for crossgens that you might not even be able to use, depending on if you can trade or not. Outside of that most of the variety comes from there being a few older mons sprinkled through the game. The dex is still pretty small, barely any bigger than Emerald, if at all.
Slightly bigger than emerald's dex, but the vast majority of additions are things that should have been in the base game to begin with, like the new evos. If you take out 4th gen pokemon and their accompanying evolution lines, the only additions that platinum made to the regional dex are swablu, altaria, houndour, houndoom, and absol.
Honestly it just plain baffles me why they made so many pokemon obnoxiously hard to get, especially when so many of the hard to get mons aren't actually good.
give me a list of hoennmons and I'll make it
>Half the dex is rare or out of the way
>Immaculate mon designs all around
How do Kinnoh and GOATo do it lads
You can use Gen1-3 mons in Sinnoh, you know.
>noooo to catch pokemons I have to... play the game?!
absolute state of sinnoh haters
>plat has FIVE roamers
This is bad why?
good luck getting more than one Master Ball
imagine being that shit at the game
Now apply these arbitrary standards to Hoenn and Johto
>Now apply [the second most common complaint of all time about johto] to johto! I am very smart.
So you admit it's worse for Johto and Hoenn?
No, it's far worse in sinnoh, but gen 4 was ronnie moron's first video game, so you're not allowed to criticize it
You're wrong and also dilating
>Reeeee I should have everything given to me for free on route 1
Kalosgays everyone
But everything worth using IS given to you for free on route 201. That's literally the entire problem, they give you the best mons in the game at the start, and lock lesser mons to much further in the game, and behind several layers of tedium.
Not really. Trying playing the game.
You're gonna tell me that it's worth swapping out the staraptor on your team for a noctowl or chatot? Your luxray for a pachirisu or pikachu? Your bibarel for a lopunny/glameow or golduck/floatzel/seaking/mantine? Your roserade for a cherrim or carnivine? Your kadabra for a mr mime or chimecho?
I'm not the one who needs to try playing the game.
Purugly is great though. I love using her
>Purugly is great though. I love using her
pearl only :^)
>bidoof evolves at level 15
>glameow evolves at level 38, is obtained later, has a more shallow movepool, and worse stats in everything except special attack and speed
>worth
You can leave spots open on your team, and only train the ones you intend to use. Then when you catch the lategame mon, put them as leads to get them up to level.
Alternatively, you can grind lategame mon.
Personally, I tend to do the first thing (leaving open slots).
I've been planning to replay all 3 sinnoh games, and a few members of my teams are going to be relatively late game. I'm just gonna prioritize using them when I get them, so they catch up in level.
It's not a big issue, except for autists
"If you play like a moron, it doesn't matter!" is not an argument
>play like a moron
have a nice day you subhuman
1) The game is an RPG, so grinding is not unreasonable, ergo you are a subhuman level of intellect
2) If you don't want to grind, you can organize your npc encounters so you have enough to train your lategame mon
If you don't want to do either of these because you want to use the pokemon earlier, you can use trading. Trade eggs over and hatch them, then trade them back and grind them, then trade them back and use them. This is for autists like you.
If you want the game to be designed for your exact specific taste, then have a nice day. No one else is obligated to care about the opinion of a subhuman such as yourself
This isn't Smogon moron, use whatever you please. And yes Luxray actually is weaker than Raichu and Bibarel is weaker than a bunch of shit you just listed. Plus you leave out pokemon like Drifblim and Bronzong.
By the time you get to the late game, you have invested quite a bit into your initial pokemon. If the pokemon you find in the endgame are weak, then there's no incentive to use them.
>But I like the weak pokemon
That's on you, then. It's bad game design.
Even in PVE only a few pokemon are actually viable. Try beating Cynthia with a non-optimized team
Sinnoh's variety feels like if you got Abra (with an actual attack), Doduo, and Tauros before Brock, whereas stuff like Pidgey and Drowzee was only found after the fourth gym. Why the hell would you use the stuff you find later?
>Kaloscord tries desperately to find any way to deflect from their dex being the smallest EVER
Embarrassing.
Jesus Lord the gen 4 design philosophy is ugly as frick. If I were an oldgay back in the day I'd have dipped after the GBA era too. Not talking about the quality of the Dex or their availability. The designs themselves are also incredibly fricking shitty.
>If I were an oldgay back in the day I'd have dipped after the GBA era
Nah. You wouldn't have your zoomer taste if you were born back then.
Actual oldgay here. I pretty much went back to emerald until hg/ss came out due to how shitty sinnoh was.
I don't understand what is so zoomer about calling every dex after gen 3 hit or miss at best and consistently awful at worst. Most zoomer fans I know either go out of their way to say most gens are the same quality or they say Unova has the best dex design
Nothing will be worse than Kalos' garbage dex
Regional dex was pretty good though, kalos was just too focused on megas
>Have we refuted this yet?
no same with pic relatedd
you see how many of that generation's new pokemon were hard to get, it ends up with you using pokemon from the previous games instead
that's why I really liked black and white, not having to use the same old same old pokemon
Damn...
Johto is nothing but KANTOOOO's backyard, Johto's dex is supposed to lame as frick and out of the way that the GenWun Pokemon can look better. What the frick is Sinnoh's excuse, isn't it supposed to be the Ultimate Region?
That's a lot of headcanon Unovaspic.
Snubull and Dunsparce should be crossed off for being 1% catches and Heracross for need to spam headbutt for hours
>only mons left are complete shitmons
lmao no wonder everyone runs the same team on these shit games
Some of the stuff crossed out makes zero sense. What exactly makes crobat unavailable? Lopunny is notoriously the worst happiness evo in the game due to buneary having a base happiness of zero, and it wasn't crossed out for sinnoh, so how is crobat so egregious in comparison? Mareep line is only unavailable in crystal, so if we're going by that, ledyba, spinarak, and plenty others are found in crystal. You get a sun stone for belossom in one of the easiest challenges in the entire series, and a very early eevee for either espeon or umbreon, right next to the daycare and dittos to get the other one. At least be consistent.
Reminder that sinnohfetuses being moronic is the reason we no longer have cool events, only soulless giveaways.
does he know
As a Hoenngod i have to say Sinnoh has a better dex than Hoenn, although Swampert, Flygon and Rayquaza mog the ever living shit out of every mon on the list
Gen 5 is worse