So you want to play an old game on original hardware...
for a modern TV:
>try to plug in your analog cables
>can't because you only have an HDMI port
>even if you have analog video input it still looks awful and sometimes won't even display due to lack of 240p support
>have to either get a cheap chinese converter that looks like absolute shit or fork over hundreds of dollars on scalers just to get a good picture
>still aren't viewing it how the developers intended
Meanwhile on CRT..
>plug video and audio cables into the back
>turn on console
>voila
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Emulation is more convenient
>Original Hardware
>Emulation
>Emulation
You guys are all homosexuals, you know that you can emulate games WHILE playing on a CRT right? Get CrtEmudriver and connect your pc to your crt, its not that hard.
I just used this 240p Test Suite with my Wii yesterday, it is in the Homebrew Store.
https://wiibrew.org/wiki/240p_Test_Suite
Protip you can EMULATE to a CRT, using REAL HARDWARE (Wii).
This is the Enlightened Way™
You go with Wii because you EMULATE to CRT using REAL HARDWARE over 480i composite (10 bucks cable), capable of flawless 240p upscalling
wii can really only emulate up until 4th gen games outside of official nintendo virtual console releases. its a good way to emulate snes if you dont wanna track down real hardware and a flash cart
>4th gen
Yeah, I am mainly after PCEngine and PCEngineCD when it comes to SHMUP emulation. Also, WiiSX-RX plays many 2D PSX games, and has had updates with its compatibility list as lately as last year!
Honestly for PSX I am looking for a PS2 to mod.
But yeah, Mainly PCEngine, NES, SNES, Genesis, GBA, GBC, GB, MAME, and that is about what I emulate outside of Virtual Console.
just get a ps1 and use freepsxboot, PS2 has all sorts of weirdness with ps1. I got a late model fat with mecha mod and it refuses to play burned cds with redbook audio(aka most racing game sound tracks), the games play fine but it refuses to play the audio in it. they work just fine on a modchipped ps1 i have. theres all sorts of weird graphical errors like walls rendering in suddenly in silent hill completely ruining the immersion. seriously just find a ps1 off fb marketplace for like 30 bucks and use a ps2 to flash freepsxboot. you can get them even cheaper if the seller complains about the laser being bad, usually a good cleaning, oiling of the spindle motor and maybe readjusting the laser potentiometer saves them.
>I got a late model fat with mecha mod
be careful using mechpwn it burnt out the laser on my fat model, theres no protection in place like when you use a modchip and install a picfix
I have an HDMI to AV cable and a fat CRT and this is my planned route
You can emulate on a CRT. In 240p. It's amazing. You should try it at least once some time.
Shitty filters will never be CRT
I have like 5 CRTs and a decent collection of games and love them. But Emulation is still the best way to play old games in 2024.
Yes. emulation on a CRT is the best way to play
I've lost my CRT but if I'm able to, I'll look for a cheap and small-ish one.
Though I wonder if there even is a point for just two consoles
ITT: seething emupoors
OMG IS THAT A FRICKING SONY TRINITRON?! I saw on reddit those are the only CRTs worth owning because they made playstation
Go take your meds.
you think the nu-/vr/ post-rulechange zoomers give a frick that youre playing properly?
every /crt/ and /fpga/ thread devolves into shitflinging monkey-tier posts instantly
just stop coming to this website
they got what they wanted
ruined the community
youll be happier anon
happy without us
so long friend
farewell
forever
anon
Why haven't you left yet? Ain't exactly enriching the board with your whining
modern tv:
>plug console into composite ports
>picture's a bit shit from the scaling but good enough
>just works
>RF also just works and the tv automatically finds the channel
vs CRT:
>plug pal console into composite ports
>looks pretty good
>plug jp console into composite ports
>black and white cause the tv doesn't support ntsc colour
>need laggy converter or mod the console to output pal60
>everyone online whos had the same issue just gets told to use RGB/SCART, something my tv doesn't have. no other tvs in my area have it either.
>plug atari into rf jack
>signal too weak to be playable
>give up and go back to lcd
>works fine on lcd
plus the annoying whine and the exhausting flicker, i'm just glad mine doesn't have huge scanlines.
overall much bigger pain in the ass than the lcd
the obvious solution is to just get a better tv, but everyone in my area wants hundreds of dollars for their composite shitbox vs the 1$ i got this one for.
>tv doesn't support ntsc colour
have you considered moving to the civilized part of the world
>Have to move just so you can play games on a good CRT
Yeah, emulation's better.
Thread's over.
Most euro tvs do support NTSC over composite for VHS and shit, only RF is a problem, dude is talking out of his ass.
i wish i was talking out of my ass mate. would've saved so much time fruitlessly tinkering with stuff. maybe thats more common in europe.
>search TV on the local classifieds site
>sort by cheapest
>pick the first working CRT, look up the model
>14" JVC supports PAL, SECAM, NTSC
>$1.5
I'm sure you can find something better than this no matter what desert you live in
only a couple of my sets support pal/secam & they costed me $100 each
in metropolitan California
it's not that you can't find them
its getting hardfricked / price-gouged when trying to negotiate
only got lucky a handful of times
& those free posts are getting few/far between with a longer gap each time i score
kinda like my love life
frick rarely, but never dip/waiver on my standards
mf hotties only
mf crt only biatchghggh
I thought we were talking about using NTSC consoles in PALland, what the frick do you need pal/secam in fricking California for, Amiga?
ok i didnt "need" it
but i do have some PAL systems
& i wanted to get into zx spectrum
i have a timekeeper modded euro cdi & a weird dvr with some exclusive games from when i was a kid on it
it was only available in the EU as in usa the games were distributed via directtv as vaporware (satellite downloads)
i might have some more pal shit laying about but thats all i can think of off the top of my head after staying up all night
If this tv has composite, it's probably modern enough to have an on screen display and therefore can be RGB modded. Best of luck, Anon.
>>plug pal console into composite ports
pretty good
>>plug jp console into composite ports
and white cause the tv doesn't support ntsc colour
werks on my crt, i think majority of euro crts support both pal and ntsc colourspace
>majority of euro crts support both pal and ntsc colourspace
Not everyone is rich. TVs that normal people owned did not support ntsc.
>. TVs that normal people owned did not support ntsc.
they did unless its some super old model
You must have been rich. My 14inch tv which was £50 new, did not support ntsc.
It may depend on the country tbqh
The did around 1998-2000. I had two that supported it. They also got pretty cheap around that time.
I took the CRT pill and it was so bad I went off my prescription
No, I don't take estrogen pills.
>CRT pill
*laughs in 4K*
the most expensive meme to ever exist. most guys just set up ther thousands of settings and never actually play a god damn game
>most guys
name 3
Robert Neal
Coury Carlson
Linus Sebastian
>Cost to play my retro video games on my CRT
>$0
>Looks the way the games were intended to look
>Cost to play retro video games on a 4K monitor
>$750 for an upscaler, $50 on a cable for the "best possible picture quality", $50 for a hardware mod that allows you to use that cable
>Doesn't look the way the games were intended to look
>Doesn't look the way the games were intended to look
Yes it does with the right shader
And you can also emulate the CRT look you want(higher TVL or lower TVL) while with a CRT what you see is what you get and thats it
Sure it isnt perfect yet due to 4K not being enough but soon enough when we hit 8k and 16k its fricking over for CRTs at least spatially(temporally we need a 30000 nits MicroLED or Emissive Quantum Dot for that to perfectly 100% emulate the temporal characteristics of a CRT)
i'm having a better experience emulating with shaders and lag reduction for free. With you're setup, you'd likely have at least 100 milliseconds of input lag with Super Mario World, the game logic itself having three lag frames (which i'm skipping), the upscaler adding 1-2 frames, and the TV adding a bare minimum of one frame even in game mode. A tenth of a second is very perceptible.
Tink 4K only has about a millisecond of lag
Nobody would pay 700 dollars for this thing if it were laggy
A milisecond too long
Its less lag than conventional PC emulation because of shitty ass Windows overhead
There's been some development in the PC emulation scene recently
Look up GroovyMiSTer
Now you can bypass that stupid OS overhead by literally streaming Mame Emulation to a MiSTer device
MiSTer neckbear trannies are not talking about this because it threatens their Patreon
Big Blue Frontend talks about it here
First video: discussing GroovyMiSTer
Second video: shitting no mister trannies for memoryholing it
Its still lag.
Black person, you literally said that you had a better experience emulating with shaders here
You dont have a better experience really, unless you have a top of the line G-Sync monitor which at that point its more expensive than the Tink anyways
Wait are you saying all emulation has extra input lag?
it reduces the lag if anything because its upscaler is faster than the tv's upscaler
are you not allowed to have a CRT in your cuck box?
>it reduces the lag if anything because its upscaler is faster than the tv's upscaler
No shit, the whole point of an external scaler is to not use the TVs built-in scaler.
>$750 to make your games look like they run on an emulator
Whoa
Lol, i like how people use how the developers intended as if it were akin to how the director intended and so on.
Fricking ask them, go ask any developer what the frick they think and I'll tell you what they'll say.
They'll say as long as you're enjoying it and enjoying our work we're happy.
Btw a little image sharpness does not make for a vastly different experience.
>Pill
shitpost
I bought a crt monitor and in addition to have borderline unusable trailing(no blur but also blur) it fricked the other electronics I had on the circuit. probably not going to bother with it again.
I use a CRT for my retro gaming.
I don't want any lag when I'm playing these games. No added lag. Zero added lag.
I wish my CRT was better. The brand is by Curtis Mathes and it was made in the early 2000s, so I thought it would be a top of the line one. Nah, it doesn't have S-video.
I should probably buy an expensive Sony CRT one of these days for my retro gaming
You should have sex.
I had a great sexual experience recently. I fricked a latina doggy style.
I still like to play these old retro video games.
Tell us more
You can play that stuff on any Xbox or PS2 with an hdmi cord. No way am I buying another tv for that
yeah I have to use a composite to RF adapter to plug anything that isn't an RF switch into mine. I literally found it by the side of the road lol
Hard to imagine worse quality image than what you are describing.
Meds and therapy.
BUH IT DA WAY DA DEVELOPER INDENDED
It's a 30 year old TV I found on the curb, whatever
I just did. Played F-Zero GX on my wii and it looks great. I don't understand why the text isn't flickering like it does on the wii menu, but I'm very happy.
I never stopped using it
input lag.
The single most compelling argument in favor of CRT.
As for the rest: if you cannot find out solutions to make your setup work it simply means you're lazy as frick. These arguments are very invalid imho.
i remember when i was in college helping remove various boomer relatives and grandparents CRTs out of their house circa 2007-2013. I think i lifted or helped lift enough 24-42" tvs to just never want to give a shit about them again. i get the nostalgia, but those bulky fricks arent worth it
is playing the game on an original device on a period correct display really a "pill" ?
a pill just reflects on a meme sense that it's the right choice which is normally non seen (like the red pill on the matrix), most people connecting old devices don't use crt's and use upscalers or composite entrances from newer tv's so using crt's is a red pill thus a pill by following the metrics of the term.
If you still have a 1080p TV you should hook up your PC(or a PS3 or 360) and display an unscaled 256x240/224 image of a Mega Man game on it. You will be surprised at just how amazing it looks. I put a bunch of 256x224 pngs of Mega Man 7 and displayed them on my42 inch 1080p TV via PS3 and put them at 100% size and it looked ridiculously amazing.
With a 4K TV the image will be way too small so you wont really be able to see it.
Based on that Im convinced that upscaling retro games to a 10000/20000PPI display in the future will look way way better than a CRT.
On a sidenote: While I was displaying MM7 screenshots I displaye one with the stage where its snowing and I messed with the sharpness setting of the TV and it was amazing to see the little square pixels representing the snow-drops turning a bit blurrier and looking more circular. It was beautiful to see, but even with neutral sharpness(50) it just looked amazing and from a reasonable distance(before the image got too small) it all blended in and looked perfect regardless of sharpness setting.
The question you should ask me is if I ever took the LCD/LED pill. I only have CRTs.
Tried using a CRT and it was a noisy piece of shit and it gives me eye pain. Went back to using LCD and never looked back.
Why dont they just make new hd flatscreen crts? If people will pay thousands for misters and retroscalers they could make money on these crts
crts only make sense in terms of economies of scale, making them for niche enthusiasts is essentially selling a car.
Idc 4k OLED with hdr, all fields
I actually just bought one secondhand for cheap
>Plug in my N64
>Notice one of the audio cables is broken and only get mono sound
>Order a "refurbished" cable
>Sound works but video quality is shit, all colors are gone.
>Send it back, ask for a replacement
>They promise me an original cable
>Nothing arrives in the mail
>Mail them again
>"Oh yeah oops we forgot"
>Receive cable 2 days later
>Its a fricking refurbished one again, with the same problem
Sounds like it would be easier to just fix your cable.
Sounds like a you problem. Stop buying composite video cables from China.
I am still using the same sony trinitron crt from 20 years ago.
No. I'm homeless and can only play handheld games rn. Even if I did have a space I probably wouldn't waste room with a big ass crt.
Does this CRT make me look fat!?!?!
i was expecting a reflection of your panniculus 🙁
since when the Wii could emulate PSX?
it cant, i tried armored core and it was like 4 fps, it probably works for 2d games though
there's a pcsx core on retroarch wii that works better than any of the standalones
Then how do yoi explain this?
WiiStation is a new version of WiiSX-RX that has better compatibility.
https://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/WiiStation_Compatibility_List
Does this CRT make me look fat, tho!?
Trust me, its not the CRT.
>https://wiki.gbatemp.net/wiki/WiiStation_Compatibility_List
That compaibility list its so outdated, they just took the old WIIsxRX 2022 list and didnt updated it properly, Wiistation is far more compatible then that, and so its the new WiiSX
This is true tho.
Exhibit A:
The very first game in the list:
70´s Robot Anime - Geppy - X - The Super Boosted Armor (Disc 1)
I played it yesterday, FLAWLESSLY.
not even once did you got a DSI stack dump? (crash)
I have a raspoo 4 4GB still in the box, is it even worth getting a crt for and hooking up via composite. SCART CRTs aren’t a thing in the US I don’t think.
I use a raspberry pi to run libreelec to stream media on my CRT but honestly theres just alot of jank with media decoding on raspberry pi that made it almost unusable. for instance raspberry pi doesnt support 10 bit encoding and many anime releases are 10bit encoded for image quality reasons so it just flat out doesnt work. Im gonna just buy a transcoder and build a dedicated media PC for it. and even decoding alot of x264 media pushes the limit of the hardware. I know reddit tards use raspberry pi with retropie to play older emulators but id say its not really worth the effort.
>get a CRT
>have to either lug an anvil of a TV with a tolerable screen size home or compromise with some shitty small set for ants and with less/worse inputs
>need to have a console + flashcart that can run 240p test suite
>go into service mode and frick around with every setting and values for days to the point you'll be doing it more than playing any retro games
>unless you're a yuro or jap, it better have s-video or otherwise you'll be stuck with shitty blurry cataracts-inducing composhite for anything pre-6th gen
>ditto for 6th gen with component
>will look like dogshit anyways unless it's a trinitron or some other high end high TVL CRT that goes for 400$ on ebay now
>at least three inner parts or one input line is defective because surprise, CRTs are old, decaying tech
>grab a cheap LED TV from like 2010, has composite, component, s-video, VGA and more
>set in 4:3 mode
>don't be an autist about input lag and enjoy the game
OLED or bust little man.
not reading all of that but im sad/happy for you.
I love my crt too
For 240p/480i content the rule is pretty much avoid flat panels as geometry is whack and there's easy ways to rgb mod/mux the sets. It's not that hard.
yeah im not reading that but i do enjoy using my crt
Exactly. I have a flat LG Flatron and it has great geometry but as a general rule if you avoid flat panels you're golden. And avoid slimfits which are garbage. But I love everything else.
A cheap 15 inch CRT is infinitely better than LCD trash.
I took the CRT pill, I was in fricking deep too, I had like 3 and a $1000 PVM RGB modded all my consoles the works. Then my friend got an LG OLED and showed me shaders on retroarch and I got rid of all of it, profited on the PVM by selling it to some fricking reddit onions and went all in on a beast of a PC and top of the line OLED 120Hz HDR super low latency. Way fricking better than all of this bullshit and emulations gotten good enough to the point I do not care about having consoles anymore, and I used to be a pretty big stickler about emulators not working so well but its not an issue anymore if you have more than 2 brain cells and know which ones to get and how to configure them.
Reddit can keep their CRTs OLED is the future.
>he didnt hang on to his crt from when he was younger
lmaoing @ ur lyfe
>Have you taken the CRT Pill
No cause I'm not a weird fricking pedophile.
I've owned like 20+ CRTs in my life, and the entire time was spent wishing an even better CRT would come out because they were never good enough. There's no reason to go back, grow up anytime.
Honestly Mario is not a really good example to use for CRT advocacy. Because of it's art style it doesn't look that different on any display, be it CRT or flat panel with razor sharp pixels.
Same for Sonic. CRT is basically required for detailed sprite work, prerendered shit or FMVs to make sense but abstract cartoony flat shaded stuff can really be played on whatever.
Fair point, artstyle really does come into play. Games where the spritework is based from 3D models are a great comparison, everything smooths out very nicely. Super Mario RPG, Donkey Kong Country, Klonoa, Oddworld, etc are all really nice on a CRT because the way it works blends everything just right, brings you closer to the original renders.
>So you want to play an old game on original hardware...
First mistake, emulators are superior
real hardware gays and emulation gays are both wrong. FPGA chads get the best of both with fake hardware
there is a thread on this very board RIGHT now discussing the acade cores & the caveats of trying to use consumer crt with the weird refresh rates
most of us are playing the games too fast 🙁
aka 60hz not 54.22hz or whatever
mister is still my favorite small pc though
Mister can play Arcade Cabinets as well? To CRT? With Component Cables?
refresh rate is different for many boards
not all crt support it
i work around it by using the hold-knob and tweaking it on a per need basis
i dont have component input on my gear
the thread is about 240p also
we are trying to downscale laglessly
I have a CRT I got off craigslist and I bought a converter cable that does HDMI to VGA so I can run emulators on the TV
is this overdoing it?
I don't post my crt because /vr/ would make fun of it for being small
just post it man
>I don't post my crt because /vr/ would make fun of it for being small
small desk crts are seen as a positive if anything? take that in a second over the 32in flatpanel behemoth that's the most common.
I never even took the LCD pill
I'm content with my completely free emulator shaders tbh
looks like absolute shit