Hello /vm/, I'm a stranger to your lands but wanted to let you guys know that Autism Torture Simulator™, also known as Haven and Hearth, is about to restart their world.
World 15 will start on Friday Oct 13th and will run until the absent gods that are Jorb and Loftar decide to frick something up irreversibly.
Some major changes are coming this world including complete reworks to the health, combat, and siege systems. They've also added Lava for some unknown reason (But no Magma because that would mean they actually have to update cave biomes and god knows they'll never do that.)
So, if you enjoy grind and hate free time this is the game for you.
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the /vm/ thread last world reset got alot of replies
i guess the game finally died because loftar is taking 5+ years to make "object controlled omjects"
oh i read the thread as 7 days old its only 7 hours old
holy shit what year is it
Its on the image moron, can't you read?
What happened to the quaint 2d graphics?
Gone since a while, they moved to 3D since nobody asked for it.
It sucks, I know
I really really really despise the new graphics.
They're not great, but the old graphics weren't any better.
I played during World 7 or 8. I remember exchanging gifts with my neighbors and one time we had a tea party. Those were great times. Then one day someone raided both of us and I lost my only online friend.
I might return If you tell me players can't destroy all your work. I don't mind full loot PvP but losing all your progress is dumb.
this next world is looking like its about to be completely unraidable, the new siege mechanics are absolute aids and combat in particular has been powerfricked to the point where people are not going to take any risks
>People are not going to take risks
So like how it currently is where all crafting characters are in safe zones, everything worth a frick is on max inventory mules and all combat characters are throw away alts
Don't stay on the main continent and build a palisade
Thats it, you're 99.99% safe
They should just add a quality cap to stuff. My problem is that the bot hives can never be beaten,
I know that's how they make money with people paying premium for their alt accounts too but it is just so lame for someone who wants to have a smaller settlement.
Only if they add quality degredation and consumption to everything in the game since currently the only thing keeping the game interesting long term is breaking the quality system
They'd also need to create interesting dynamic elements to keep people engaged in the world to spend said resources on, which is something jorb and loftar fail at to this day.
>My problem is that the bot hives can never be beaten,
They can be, PvP is mostly about knowledge and strength of numbers, stats play a role but they're the least important thing.
That and bots can rebuild, but they still have to rebuild if you destroy their quality furnaces and crafting stations granted if these people do have bot hives they know where all the good quality nodes are
The only real thing jorb can do to fix botting is to make logging out not instantly remove you from the world
Did they make the game good yet, or is it still terrible as an MMO, terrible as a building game, terrible as a comfy grinding game, terrible as an adventure game, and terrible as a PVP game?
build your house just to quit and some no lifer with 500 bots takes over simulator
Any cool new stuff since the last world?
I wouldn't say there was anything spectacular in world 14, the biggest one I think is items being able to be stacked in inventories. That and animal dens for foxes and wolves, which have randomized quality rather than following the quality node system animals normally do when spawned, so wolf dens are good way to get 200-300ql bones.
There's going to be a bunch of stuff with the launch of world 15 since they always save the big changes and additions for new worlds, I'm not sure how big of a deal lava is going to be, but I bet the obsidian from it will be used for early game weapons.
I really like this piece of shit game, too bad you need to treat it like a job to get anywhere.
Snugglesnail should commit suicide (I know he's going to read this)
god how does someone actually come off looking like a moron while arguing with people whining about their in game deaths on a forum.
the pedotroon?
>waaah the guy who bots and minmaxes in the autism botgame is better than me
seethe.
Kys bottroon
rent free
(I'm snail btw)
HP changes seem to be being axed, so aside from yet another siege rework there doesn't appear to be major changes this world, but maybe some new changes will be announced before the launch. I was hoping they would do something to address the have a nice day to reset your hunger meta.
I quit this game 4 years ago because the combat was so ass and they still haven't change it.
what a let down.
why would you ever be excited for that hp change? They cancelled it because they literally forgot about how 100 hp will interact with absolutely every non combat source of damage.
I wasn't exited.
but the update said they were also updating combat and they also scrap that, and it was shit aswell.
The change to FEPs are pretty nice tho
The combat really does suck, PvP is all about movement bullshit and in PvE you're forced to cheese a lot of the stronger stuff like mammoths and whales. It just makes hunting tedious.
I come back every world reset then leave a few months in once the chores outweigh the fun.
>Quality grind still bullshit
>Combat still dogshit
>Solo player experience still boils down to praying you don't get griefed by someone who knows what they're doing
>PvP scene still controlled by single digit poopsock autists getting a day 1 mine and week 1 whaling for infinite stats
Just fricking allow private servers already, goddamn
Menillos the fricking israelite Black person should kill himself (I know he reads this atm).
imagine being Terry Jay
>thinks he’s cool and edgy
>no one likes him
post ur best pyramid
i love haven wuw
god i love watching morons complain about snail so much im gonna cum
>SNAIL IS THE QUEEN OF HAVEN
>ALL HAIL BALDERSBRA ALL HAIL QUEEN SNAIL
jorb's kid getting eaten by a pibble was the best thing that could have happened to the game's development
shame about the fricking hiatus though
>jorb's kid getting eaten by a pibble
Qrd?
wait, did that really happen?
I do voice chat with the snuggle snail and I say his voice is very effeminate and quiet this game for beta male
this person attacks me every world no matter where i live
>major changes
anyone have a faction client that works on w15?
Don't use those moron
They steal passwords
They didnt used to
Everyone should post their IGN so if we run into each other in the wild we dont kill each other on sight
>Solo player here
Why the frick is the server down!! I just got 100 worms!!!
Haven and Hearth is a game for factions and factions only
(though killing hermits and spruceie villagers is fun)
last time I played this with /vm/ some autistic discord shit killed the group
never again
Sounds funny, care to elaborate?
This but it was a group from Ganker before /vm/ was made
The dude that died had it coming, literally everyone hated him. If we didn't split up we could have recovered
In my case from the Ganker group, a few people who knew the game well defected and beat the shit out of the rest of the group and kicked them out of the base, I guess because the rest of us weren't autistic enough to be as angry at the original guy as they were
Insider here if you're talking about corona village
1 guy was murked as the target everyone hated, another was a KO in the confusion but not slain. Due to how scents were there was a bit of paranoia that the murderer may be killed since we didn't have somewhere good to hide him, so in fear everyone was booted out of the village before that could be voted against
I missed the cave era more than anything
>everyone hated
homie it was one guy and his two orbiters who had beef with the kind of annoying dude, the rest of us just wanted to play the game. I'm sorry you couldn't contain your autism and had to ruin it for us all
Not my call, I came back from work an hour after the disaster and tried to get the remaining people back together as damage control
The perp did admit in hindsight it was a bad idea. We probably could have just been fine if he stayed in the rich people cave a few days to wear off the scent of murder
If by the annoying dude you mean the gay dude, the beef was more we couldn't let that 17 y/o power tripper be the leader at any cost
The best lessons from that journey?
>Never use discord and only recruit from Ganker
We were in a really fricking good position too before it all fell apart and that was my 2nd favorite haven base location in all worlds
It was my first time ever playing, and that little base we had in the cave was extremely comfy. I don't know where the annoying kid came from (the one they killed, I believe it was over a joke he made about giving up the perpetrator to another group that was angry at him), but I do remember he was trying to take a leadership position. I wasn't too fond of him either, but that was not the way to solve shit
I found some pics
I almost want to play again, I don't care about being competitive as I'm good at staying safe but the game takes a lot of time
I didn't take many pictures, and what little I had was wiped away in a hard drive failure, but the burner account I used is still in the Discord server. The game is definitely too much of an investment for me to get into it nowadays
I really liked that itch of being in a big Ganker army and am partially willing to compromise if it means having a less than OP character from lack of playtime. Maybe one day there will be a mass recruitment again, the hunger and LP systems are forgiving for AFKers but I'm not really sure the best way to contribute or advise others who want a similar playstyle when you're only logging on for a few hours a few days of the week. Even if bases always produce excess hate being a mooch
I want to be there when calls to arms happen where all my allies work needs to be protected by battle even if the pvp and siege mechanics are shit
Frick, Cave Shanghai really was peak sovl of that world
And then they had to ruin it with flat square autism and le current thing naming before splitting the group into three
I only have this moronic pic saved from back then, well after the split
I remember reading a runestone or parchment someone left at the cave during the transition
It went something along the lines of
"I miss the cave, it used to be comfy but now it smells like fish and everyone is gone"
I think a staying cave dwellers gimmick w/ surface farm would be a great idea if we ever reform, who cares if we start late it's about building our dream not being the #1 pvpers, and timing our start with the chads burnout would give max playtime til reset
I really did like that flat square autism because corona village had such a nice foraging area with a frickhuge field beside a high Q big swamp. It was the perfect place to thrive but we fricked it all up with infighting, classic
(the smells like fish line was in reference to the hide drying racks being replaced by drying fish which is more afk)
wow I remember this cave
I remember gathering those dragonflies and trying to tame the animals in the cave
then I got kicked out and was so sad I drowned myself in the river
I wasnt even in a discord...
>kicked out
Were you that one random we thought was a spy for some reason? I completely forgot about us kicking someone out
I don't think so?
one day my hearthfire was just destroyed along with some other people
oh yeah that was the eviction. We tried to get everyone to move to this one new spot but only a small fraction regrouped and made it. Funny thing is one guy named timecop5000 or something's hearthfire spawned 30 seconds away from the new spot we moved but I don't think he ever signed back on
These pics are causing me pain. I'm absolutely certain I know this cavern by its shape alone but it feels like I'm grasping at a fever dream.
last time i played with vm someone complained about this but it went fine
havent played due to playing other games and having no friends willing to play with me but if you want to play i could tag along. maybe other anons can alt and join along. last world no one wanted to play here but i was eager to play so i went solo. it went pretty great, lots of nice neighbours some becoming close enough to play with next world. you should try it out if you are thinking about playing.
Snail LITERALLY linked this thread to his cronies to shit up, how embarrassing
is this snail in the room with us right now?
You couldn't be more obvious, have a nice day
I only partially understand the mass seethe at snail, like that faction is the only group of people who use exploits and gank randomly? How about the fact that Shubla just distributes actual fricking malware through the forum and no one cares, how come no uproar about that huh?
Snail is just a gay annoying moron homosexual who tries his best to ruin the game on purpose, what's to understand?
My feud with a russian over claim to a nice cave seems to have been resolved by a bear killing him.
This fortune was tragically illusory, but I have been enjoying considerable success with luring boars and bears to obliterate his stockpile spam and gang of alts
>not having 30 tanning tubs worth of leather ready to finish tomorrow
lol
I admit that progress is slow, because this spat with the russian is diverting my attention. I've got a secondary location underway and am making some headway there.
I really want that cave.
I love you I was just joking around, I hope everything goes welll
<3
Rather decent fun so far, managed to get everything i wanted with my base location
Too bad that in like a few hours every single autist will have murder skill and make foraging not worthy of risk
>he doesn't already have rage and some decent moves
skill issue
Sorry pvp chud but i am wasting 50k lp on my claim and building pali
And you can't do shit about it
how dead is this game if you are talking about ecelebs like everyone knows them
1500+ players on the world start(and jorbtards weren't able to handle even that with lags starting at 1500)
Forum is dead due to discord taking over so only few autistic troons post there regularly
The game is fine, but the dead and getting robbed/griefed by gangs of slav kids attracted to the f2p aspect makes it unplayable.
I have never play this game before, but is there a Ganker group or or something that I can join?
I have not actually start playing and I been watching the newbie guide stuff
Game would be fun if the single player experience wasn't soul crushing. You can't compete with mentally ill people that have multiple alts and min/maxing since day one, the game is literally built around allowing botting to go unpunished, if you are not part of a village people will grief and rob your stuff even if its trash for them.
There should be a formal system where villages gain bonuses if unrelated people are living in their territories. There's a game named ANVIL on alpha that sounds like a way better experience than feuding with autistic slavs for no gain.
It's not a single player game, dummy.
Being a punchbag for the top 5% of players hardly qualifies as a multi-player game experience. The fact that 3 months in there's only these 5% left playing the game every reset says a lot about how right I am.
There isn't a change they can do to accommodate people like you who refuse to learn the game, you'll always get beaten by better players.
Laughable that you think there's even a competition. But hey don't listen to me, see player retention at it tells the whole history. It seems this is a game for you and around 30 slavs.
I bet you're a hopelessly demoralized failure in real life, too, aren't you anon?
>"Lol you only played a game for three months straight instead of eight what a failure!"
NTA but you're not exactly king of the world yourself
I'm king of W15 you fat little doughboy b***h
>learn the game
>get ganged up on by third worlders
>work with third worlders
>live in isolation of third worlders until the day that they gang up on you
Reading tooltips is very skillful anon, but it's a hard pass from me.
adapt by joining a gang of first worlders that commits hatecrimes against third worlders
Every faction is filled with a mix of both first and third worlders, the only real division is sprucecaps and those with access to closed private clients
This is true for any single server world wide game where your shit can get blown up.
EU and US timezone players are important to break seige equipment before it dries.
>ANVIL
Can't find it; got a link?
>There should be a formal system where villages gain bonuses if unrelated people are living in their territories.
>You can't compete with mentally ill people that have multiple alts and min/maxing since day one
hmm
this sounds like a conflicting message
also there's already a gigantic buff for having people live in your realm
The issue with Haven is that it is projected to scale infinitely upwards. Meaning you can infinitely gain by performing the same tasks over and over while improving the quality by 0.3, the limit being time and how much are you willing to perform the same mind-numbing task over and over. And due to that, nobody is also willing to engage on conflicts because it feels so fricking boring to get it back to where you were before.
People create alts and bots because the game is built with automation in mind, the world reset is already built with the thought that players will bot, after all, they botted on world 14, 13, 12 and so on. There is no cleverness to be exploited, no skill to differentiate you from the next player, only whoever has the better flowchart for quality improvement and of course, luck to find the better-quality sites for wood, dirt, stone, animals.
There are enough diminishing returns to softcap at which point player numbers > quality
And this is the fate of all MMOs, to be metagamed to death, the real dynamics should always remain in players who are more social getting more benefit.
And the game is at the point where if you're a nooblet hermit village you can have fun with the game, and if you're in an established group, you can have fun with the game. Obssessing over quality spiraling is moronic especially when most kingdoms want people feeding exp into the system so griefing isn't that much of a benefit since realm upgrades feed into the quality spiral.
And as I said earlier, if the game didn't have an infinity spiral, it would get rather stale rather quick in its current state, until they can make better content that keeps people engaged longterm the quality spiral is here to stay as its the best way to keep the sandbox relevant longterm.
There's no luck involved in finding better wood, dirt and animals. Animals start at 10ql after being tamed, natural dirt isn't used past the beginning of the game because it's replaced by mulch, and wood also starts at 10ql. You're an idiot who has no clue what you're talking about.
>he didn't play when dirt quality was randomly generated
>he didn't play when animal quality was randomly generated
I'll give you the trees, Sorry I don't keep up with all your shitty changes jorb
You're only making it more clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, while additionally making it clear that you can't read.
Animal and dirt quality are still random, but the range you get from them is surpassed by what you can do with livestock and mulch. Can you read?
None of the quality spiraling mattered. Most players quit before they got to ridiculous numbers because it's all chores past the first couple of months unless you play solo in which case it's still mostly chores while you slowly progress alone.
The game is filled with so many time wastes, punishments or obtuse mechanics that are improved by using custom clients, alts, bots and scripts. I tried to use the official client this world but the fact that curiosities display the in-game rather than real time was reason enough to ditch it.
Died twice to "Bicycle" in Manrich. I think im done playing. Game is too hard as a solo player. Zergs always win
Hermits deserve it, join a group or die
I miss the old graphics.
Is there any way to go back and play it solo?
Verified accounts can play legacy, yeah.
you have to pay for a verified account which will let you gain access to old haven, there are two different people attempting to remake old haven as a private server but progress on both servers is extremely slow.
first batch from the new smelters bros
I just noticed but what the hell is going on with the pali in the image. The wall corners are attached to one another so the double layer wall is pointless. There is no room to stand in the airlock either, or repair without being on the outside.
anyone trying to join a village? bit of a late start but just got walls up, gonna expand tomorrow for plot spaces.
sure anon
God I fricking love ganking sprucecaps
Why? What pleasure is there in picking on people who can't fight back?
It's really fun watching them helplessly crumble, and very validating watching the black smoke skull come out of their bodies and the purple smoke left behind. Then there's also free curios and sometimes free claims. But mostly it's just fun being the danger instead of being in danger.
t. used to be a sprucecap/low tier villager/hermit
Lost to the darkside 🙁
What can I say, ganking is more fun than hoping the other person will be a fun larper. Most of them don't even do that, they're just REALLY inefficient at the game, and sometimes they get local resources that would be better allocated elsewhere.
Shut the frick up snail
Everyone who ganks? Yeah we're all Snail.
In spirit. In shitty, shitty spirit.
You're annoying in a really specific way that you can't mask because you're an autistic moron. Don't pretend, snail.
Wasn't there a game similar to this one called Salem? What was that about?
It was haven but in north america
I didn't play it much after first year but i think it had same problems just on a much extrapolated scale
There was like one faction which ganked everyone who even though of starting to play and game eventually died(last time i checked somebody bought it from jorbtar and there was like 20-30 players)
Has this game become p2w? I played it a decade ago when it was completely f2p and thought about giving it another try.
How is the old Legacy version doing?
>Has this game become p2w?
Yeah, kinda. Subscription + verification means you gain 150% stats & skill points, in addition to performing actions like chopping trees at 250% speed. I think on the macro level it's not a huge deal, but it's pretty objectively a world apart from f2p.
>How is the old Legacy version doing?
It exists.
Snail's way of thinking isn't exactly unique, most faction homosexuals echo the same sentiments, they'll all parrot the same tired "the hermits deserve it" line like a bunch of NPCs. They justify their random one-sided ganking through this, it's new players fault they don't have the game knowledge they do, but nothing about the game is intuitive, there's no way to learn. No one is willing to teach anyone anything because it would threaten their monopoly on the game, they want to be on top and unchallenged. This is why there's no real guides, and this is why their custom clients are kept private, they don't want to give up their advantage, they don't want fair fights.
I find it pretty sad just how easily they seem to pull the wool over the devs' eyes simply by being loud.
If you're fighting fair, you're fighting stupid.
Maybe the devs should make the vanilla client not suicide to use instead of the amorphous "object controlled objects" which will never materialize. I mean frick they can't even drop support for old rendering because a third of the playerbase still uses fricking years out of date Ard client because every other non private client is hot garbage
Maybe.
I'm snail, you're snail, he/she is snail, everyone is snail
I think the dev's biggest issue is the lack of manpower, they're at the limit of what a couple of dudes are capable of when it comes to developing and maintaining an MMO. There's just too many aspects to it that they also have to balance their personal lives with.
it's also their passion project so they will never hire more devs because of risk of visional clash
I don't understand Credos. Do you unlock them all and keep inheriting them until the server reset?
Also I read you should use village claims over personal claims???
>the average player knows this little about the game
grim.
(You inherit every Credo you complete, VClaims don't cost an inordinate amount of LP beyond lawspeaking and instead cost Cloth for banners to expand the size)
Speedrun to Palisade on a fresh character. How do you do it?
Kill 10 moles and get the hides on drying racks as soon as possible, pick every single tree seed in sight for enough LP to get yeomanry and ropemaking, collect 50 string and 20 bones for the required rope and bone glue. When the mole hides have dried, transfer them to tanning tubs for the required leather. Between all that waiting, have enough wood chopped to build your palisade. If you're not in an area with moles, just use squirrel hides instead. If you want to go a little harder, don't just pick stuff off trees, cut them down and make a block and board for extra LP.
Adding to previous anon, keep your frames and tubs (and other possessions) in a cave that has no visible signs of activity from the outside. And try to sneak a claim pole in the forest between a bunch of trees
Just started playing. I spend hours walking away from spawn and still couldn't find a decent spot. I was chased by multiple players who saw me from their boat. Was going back to my hearthfire the best way to escape?
I also stole leather and seeds from a player who was online, then escaped with his boat. I guess his property wasn't protected. Will he come after me?
Meanwhile I made a burrow my home. I made a claim outside to cover the burrow and some drying racks.
Is there a better way to regen stamina? I'm using a bucket but it's annoying that your inventory can't hold it.
Is there a way to get notified when a player enters your range? Avoiding PvP seems very easy so far. I feel like I can only die when I'm not paying attention.
Fishing is super fun. Found some cool stuff to study.
Am I gonna make it?
If you left scents he might, but if his shit wasn't properly protected he's probably not going to come PvP you. There's no better way than a bucket until you get a belt and you can hold waterskins in it. For player alerts you need a custom client.
And you'll always make it, as long as you don't quit.
Clear some reeds, you can make a shitty belt with them. After that, you can effortlessly gib adders by running them over with a cart you're pulling and get a snakeskin belt which is just as good as the hunter's belt that requires leather and metal.
You look so cute and gankable anon
you weren't chased by anyone, you can't teleport to hearthfire when aggro'd. If you don't have a water bucket you arn't getting away from anyone.
You can be chased without being aggrod dumbass
>bucket
You don't even play the game, stfu
I claimed a 30x30 and want to build a Palisade tomorrow. Any tips that the wiki doesn't mention? Can you build it from start to finish in one go? I already prepared everything and now I'm waiting for the leather.
You can build it all in one go, but 30x30 seems a bit small, you might want to consider making it larger. I started with 50x50 this world and I still had to expand.
I'm just learning how to play and won't bother with all that autism around quality. I found a Q30 branch while fishing. I'm good.
He's not talking about quality, 30x30 is just going to be rather cramped, but you can find that out on your own if you must.
Anyone got an updated guide to alts? What kind of alts can you make? Should you even have a main for everything?
Is there an easy way to keep track of discoveries to earn LP? There are too many different trees and stuff.
Give me a quick rundown on FEP.
Having a main for everything sucks for multiple reasons. I have a main for everything but farming/sewing, it's far from the most optimal but having too many alts would be a pain.
There's no easy way to keep track of discoveries, what I do is check everything on the map icon list then uncheck them as I get them for trees and rocks.
FEP is a meter you fill from food, your energy either has to be green or you have to be sitting at a table to gain FEPs, you should only be sitting at a table with the best tableware you can obtain to gain FEPs, when it fills it gives you +1 stat based on what you ate. Say if your meter required 10 points to fill and you filled it with 8 STR FEPs and 2 IN FEPs you would have an 80% chance to gain STR and a 20% chance to gain int, the more stat variety you have in your FEP meter the easier it is to level, so if you eat a 0.1 CHA berry it can be beneficial. The amount of points required to level is based on your highest stat, so if you have 55 STR it requires 55 points. Excess points do not carry over.
>the more stat variety you have in your FEP meter the easier it is to level
Wrong, it's the more unique food items you eat per "level," stat variety has nothing to do with it.
The highest level stat being what determines thing kind of makes me like being a jack of all trades character even if it's not optimal. Slowly raising all stats at once makes me not really terrible with anything when using mid quality products
Have some more sprucecap questions.
I found a base inside a cave that's only protected by a claim. Would it be a good idea to make an alt to do crimes?
I can finally start my palisade tomorrow. Should I only use visitor gates? How do you create more keys? What if someone else gets one?
Is logging out safer than sleeping in a bed? I noticed my character isn't gone when asleep. Can you interact with a sleeping character?
How do you find good quality soil and clay? It's all Q1 where I am.
How am I supposed to treat wounds that don't heal?
https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=72166
Read this for claim safety and wall building, there should be key copy options in your crafting menu.
You can't interact with a sleeping character.
Soil is hardcapped by the survival skill while clay is capped by masonry, they will be at minimum 10ql, you just have to look around for higher QL.
https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Hitpoints
For treating wounds.
I have a question of my own, what foods should I be going for if I want str, con, agi and int respectively? I know seal, walrus and hedgehog meat are in demand but what recipes do people use them for?
Meat in jelly made with wolf is bretty good for str
>Would it be a good idea to make an alt to do crimes?
Not worth the extra investment as a sprucecap. I would keep an alt in a separate account for safety measures (safekeeping the master key mainly, maybe be the claimholder)
>I can finally start my palisade tomorrow. Should I only use visitor gates? How do you create more keys? What if someone else gets one?
Using only visitor gates is one way to cover for any frick-ups, but not absolutely necessary. It would be good to make at least one airlock entrance as in pic related.
You create more keys by crafting Slave Key Copy from the main master key.
All gates should be opening towards the outside (except in the airlock example). Slave Keys can only open gates from the inside. As long as you keep your hearthfire inside, you should only ever need a slave key to venture out, and if it gets stolen, they can't get in from outside.
>Is logging out safer than sleeping in a bed? I noticed my character isn't gone when asleep. Can you interact with a sleeping character?
Only if you have committed a crime and have the Red-Handed debuff. Otherwise, it's the same. Sleeping in a bed will accelerate wound healing/progression and restore your travel weariness.
>How do you find good quality soil and clay? It's all Q1 where I am.
Your Survival skill hardcaps the quality of the soil/water you find. If your Survival is 1 you will always find Q1 soil even if its actually higher. The base quality is 10 and there are nodes of higher Q which you have to find by checking and exploring
>How am I supposed to treat wounds that don't heal?
You live with them until you can make/obtain the healing item in question
Whats the point of the inwards facing gate? I thought you use Travel to Hearthfire to get back in.
It's so you have the possibility of escaping when aggroed (either by a player or an animal). You build a locked house with a locked cellar inside the airlock so you can run in the airlock, hide inside and hope to give yourself enough time while they pick the locks so you can drop combat and hearth back inside. If you don't have the time, you can also try to escape through the airlock and lock the other guy in.
Otherwise yes, you use Travel to HF to get back.
In your image you would build a house with a lock where the boats are?
Why is there a fence on the visitor gate?
For now I built a double gate like it is described on the wiki because I'm too dumb for this. This would mean I'm dead if someone puts me in combat, right?
>In your image you would build a house with a lock where the boats are?
It would be suitable
>Why is there a fence on the visitor gate?
As soon as someone passes the visitor gate they have a buff that prevents them from committing crimes until they leave, so they wouldn't be able to open that fence gate, this just lets you keep the gate open without needing to carry the key.
>For now I built a double gate like it is described on the wiki because I'm too dumb for this. This would mean I'm dead if someone puts me in combat, right?
A double gate isn't bad, it's just not as good, you could still run away from someone or an animal and then shut the outer gate behind you
W-what outer gate...?
A normal gate on the outside, then a village gate on the inside with a small airlock space in between.
holy shit the average player is moronic
just read dakkan's thread on the forum dump ass
Or don't because taking advantage of moronic bases is really fun
I made a double gate. I only leave with slave keys. It's all on my claim +1 tile. The master key is on an alt.
I'm aware I can't enter my base when I'm in combat and a proper airlock setup would have been better.
I read that claim safety thread but it doesn't mention how to set up a palisade properly.
It's my first time playing. I'm discovering new things every day. I do better next time.
reverse airlock + fence gate behind vgate + slave key lock enemy inside
rage+murder mm alt with bow and MANY arrows inside base logs on either before or after combat
open fence gate, insta aggro intruder before he walks in or hearths home. he is now stuck, consider your options, plan ahead, invite friends, harass verbally, pelt with arrows, kill, ko, loot, shitpost on forum, hold hostage, you name it. just pray your connection to the game is maintained.
Is there a way to make objects align when you put them down? My log pile looks horrible.
Why am I not seeing toads on my map? They are there and I can pick them up but they are difficult to spot.
I still don't understand how to add the parchment to my cupboard.
I tried stealing one of those huge viking ships from a player that was hunting a bear but there were too many options when I clicked it and the first one did nothing. I panicked and ran away.
Do you need to prepare for winter?
Why exactly a visitor gate with a fence on it?
vgate prevents most crime, opening an unlocked gate is a crime
>Is there a way to make objects align when you put them down? My log pile looks horrible.
Right click the object while you're carrying it, ctrl+scroll wheel to rotate, hold shift to move and rotate it more precisely
>Why am I not seeing toads on my map? They are there and I can pick them up but they are difficult to spot.
Look for icon settings button, enable toad
>I still don't understand how to add the parchment to my cupboard.
Right click the cabinet while holding the paper
>I tried stealing one of those huge viking ships from a player that was hunting a bear but there were too many options when I clicked it and the first one did nothing. I panicked and ran away.
99.9% chance it was locked anyways, you can't really steal those unless you get the key somehow.
>Do you need to prepare for winter?
Harvest everything before winter and save the seeds to replant in spring
As if the first palisade you made was any better, get over yourself.
This should keep me safe, right?
ah, witnessed my snek sail have you?
>hermit I ganked dm'd me sea shanties as I drove their body home
I think I might give this one a burial
More sprucecap questions.
Is there a way to display more item information? I'm tired of checking the wiki so often.
From how far away can a player start combat with me? I want to greet other players but I don't know how dangerous just being near them is. I always break line of sight and instantly travel back.?
How do I add these image signs to my cupboard door?
How long can you make a dugout last in Very Deep Ocean?
I found a small island and I was wondering if it's a good idea to build on one?
I want to leave presents in front of nearby active bases to make friends. Should I tell them my hearth secret? Is that gay?
Can someone on my friends list attack me?
>Is there a way to display more item information? I'm tired of checking the wiki so often.
No, you pretty much need the wiki open at all times
>From how far away can a player start combat with me? I want to greet other players but I don't know how dangerous just being near them is. I always break line of sight and instantly travel back.?
Same distance as aggroing in PvE, you can test it out on ants
>How do I add these image signs to my cupboard door?
Parchment, requires one dried hide
>How long can you make a dugout last in Very Deep Ocean?
Dugouts and rowboats get destroyed almost instantly in very deep ocean
>I found a small island and I was wondering if it's a good idea to build on one?
Generally not a good idea
>I want to leave presents in front of nearby active bases to make friends. Should I tell them my hearth secret? Is that gay?
Could be a good idea, most random bases you see aren't hostile, generally only big factions attack noobs for fun
>Can someone on my friends list attack me?
Yes
How many drying racks should I maintain. I keep making more. What's the bare minimum?
I feel like you have to set yourself some limits, otherwise you would be playing all day just to keep your industry going and I don't want to bot.
Depends, I have 32 racks and it's no issue to keep them filled, it all depends on what you're hunting and how fast you can do it. And you can never have too many hides because they're useful for leather, gelatin and hide straps.
Sometimes when I login or enter my cabin there is a weird white star that disappears immediately. I drew a picture. Does anyone what this is?
It's just a visual bug, it's fairly common
It's the hearth-travel animation. Most likely your own, because if you hearth out of a house and then enter it again, the animation will resume/still be playing because the house got unloaded when you left.
I finally got 10 units of straw. What should I do with it first?
Either a bee skep or a chicken coop
I don't have my farm going to produce fodder yet.
You can always use foraged stuff or spare meat.
That would take forever. I read you should use Beetroot. I have no clue how much I need but I'm not going to run around to collect 300 Chantrelles lol.
Chickens really don't require much fodder, if it were other animals I'd see your point. But it sounds like you'd benefit more from a bee skep at this point, since it speeds up some crop growths.
for fodder clover is x5 fodder compared to other items. turnips are the best fodder because they grow quick which lets them be higher quality and with quantity.
i wouldn't do crime early, instead try and get your exploration and perception up to get 100 river pearl mussels and cook them to get pearls, trade this for a stone axe+crops set from your friendly neighbours.
>turnips are the best fodder because they grow quick which lets them be higher quality and with quantity.
I don't think this is true as of W14, I think crop growth varies by region now.
Bee skep 100%
I found an inactive base that's only protected by a fence. I want to take some of the stuff and check the cabins. How would you approach it? I can't find any guides on doing crimes. Is it okay to trespass just to inspect the hearthfire (to see last time logged in)?
>Is it okay to trespass just to inspect the hearthfire (to see last time logged in)?
Minor crimes (going on to claims, using objects on claims, hitting people) don't matter. They let people track you for a while. That's all.
>I can't find any guides on doing crimes.
Major crimes (taking items from claims, altering objects on claims, KOing people, killing people) leave your character loaded in when you disconnect from the game.
They also let people track you, summon you (so they can kill you), summon ghosts (to kill you when you log in), and remotely view your character.
If you do crimes on an alt being killed while you're not playing suddenly stops mattering since the character is expendable.
When you're not using the thief park it somewhere inconspicuous where can't strangers won't bump into it and scryers won't see anything useful.
How do you even begin to understand the food system? I read a ton of recipes are noob traps and my character is basically ruined if I didn't follow a strict guide. They are recommending food that I don't have access to yet. I don't even know what stats to focus on. Everything I read about sounds like pure minmax autism for veterans. Pls help.
Just play the game and figure out recipes, anon. People ruin it for themselves by removing the joy of discovery and spoiling the experience. Don't worry about being competitive, because you're not, so just take it easy and have fun.
Should I walk or run? I feel like running all the time and burning through my energy isn't the way to travel.
Half your belt should be waterskins and you should run everywhere
you run everywhere so you can eat more
Just eat whatever random shit you can find to fill your energy to green
Give it to me straight, doc. How bad is it? They told me you could run snakes over with a horse but it's not working. Blade Kiss was from fishing. No clue how.
For whatever reason, running over adders with a horse was changed, but you can still run them over with a cart. The bite can go up in the 50s, so you'll probably die.
make some snakebite antidote or perish
One adder bite isn't that bad, just eat for some con + heal your other wounds, and you'll be fine.
I need intestines but I have no clue how to kill bigger animals. What's the easiest one? Can you still cheat with a boat?
Also why can't I build a loom? I got all the required materials and skills.
Easiest and most common is a fox for intestines, boat cheese still works, you just need to drop aggro and re-aggro when it runs.
>Also why can't I build a loom? I got all the required materials and skills.
Are you sure you have Basic Mechanics?
I can just cheese everything near shallow water in my dugout. I hunted fox, wolverine, boar, badger and auroch. It's like I'm cheating. You can probably kill bears like that.
Next step seems to be mining. Leather and bones are no longer a problem. I unlocked tons of combat moves too.
I'm starting to understand why 30x30 is too small.
Finally getting revenge on boars was very satisfying.
The only thing that limits you from killing shit like bears is their natural armour, so you need a sword or a spear
You can manage bears too at that stage with a decent bow, it's just kinda slow
I have way too much fish. What can be done with it besides eating? Drying them takes forever.
Smoking in the smoke shed can be worth. Spitroast fish constantly when you are online, spitroasted fish is super OP early food. Also Fishballs are a nice recipe
Alright I had fun but it's getting too grindy and the upkeep is killing me already. If anyone wants my noob base, it's all yours. Coordinates are in the pic.
https://map.hearthworld.com/?x=21&y=173&zoom=0
Unclaimed. Dead body is in the cabin. Some terrible mining alt is floating in a lake nearby lol. It's not much. Masterkey is in a tree near the gate.
Is it too late to start playing?
It's literally never too late
Where do you guys hide your drying frames and tanning tubs when you don't have a claim yet?
Cave in the woods, or if you can't find one, hidden behind some trees in a big uninteresting spot of forest
What I did day 1, was find a cave with a deep water river, just narrow enough to survive swimming across, and put my drying frames / tubs across, beyond render distance. Nowadays, just putting them in a cave that has no signs of activity outside will suffice.
As long as my Energy bar isn't green, can I eat whatever I want to fill it? It seems to have no impact on FEPs and Hunger Level.
yeah, you don't frick with your hunger/gain stats as long as you eat something while below 8000%
can't believe it took them like a quadrillion years to implement it but thank god they did
How do you mass produce spit roasted food? Just build tons of fireplaces?
Make an alt account and create a spitroasting slave to turn the spit and carve it when it's done on another client, if your PC can handle running two clients of the game at least.
Am I seeing snow?
Will snow make it difficult to build a base? I don't have leather for another day.
Just means no crops
you just need to shovel the snow away from where you want to build the wall
not a big deal
Can i just level the tiles on which my palisade will be and then worry about the interior space later?
Yeah, that's what I did and it works fine
I finished building my house, looks pretty neat.
>17 gorillion types of barely relevant birds
>still can't use slate for roofing
Jorbtard...
I want to put a leanto on my neighbors doorstep and demand items for its removal. Can they tell who did it?
when they step on the claim all it will say is "this land has been claimed by someone"
if its unclaimed or not inside of a palisade i think he can just break anything he wants though
You're the only one in this thread with any potential
You can make a firebrand by using a stick on a lit fire. I had no idea. I've been rubbing sticks together for so long.
You could also just make a torch
I have no tar yet. I'm getting there.
Make a tar kiln and load it with pine blocks and you'll have more tar than you know what to do with before you know it
>the absolute state of hermits
The value of tar is hardly intuitive to a newer player
I mean the difference between dugouts and rowboats alone is astounding, not to mention snekkjas and such, but really rowboats should be enough of a reason for everyone to rush a tar kiln. When I was new Io the game playing inside a village of hermits doing their own things I rushed tar as did most of they because rowboats important, granted my house design for stonestead also used a black roof so I perhaps went a little harder on tar production than most new players but still tar good hermits moronic
I'm just saying that takes some figuring out.
In other news I had some good success in mining today, I found a good source of hornsilver and got about 400 ore from it, that should get me a good bit of silver. I'm still being gatekept from L6 til I find bloodstone though.
Removing items from a stack counts as discovery???
i miss being a goofy little hermit
group play is more efficient but it's lame as frick
It's fun being a hermit, but it can be a real grind
Can i just play solo or its still "big clans enslave or destroy everything in their vicinity"?
t.havent_played_since_2D_version
no solo is pretty easy, just gather tradestuff, go to market, buy stuff, be comfy
How do you trade with players that are hours away from you?
because you don't need to walk to them, you can fast travel to charterstones
Go to a thingwall and teleport to the market's charterstone, Whatever Bay has a good market for example.
It's extremely safe behind the walls now
Dry claim+dry pali and you're almost immortal behind them, you don't even have to build a brickwall
To destroy your wall sprucekillers now need to suffer thru
>Breaking the thingwall peace by building and drying some siege thing for it
Can be stopped by everyone while it dries
>Build siege device and dry it
Can be stopped by you
>Actually breaking the wall
Build a few layers far enough from eachother and they will have to dry again
Unless you piss somebody off they won't even bother trying
I built ten fireplaces for spit roasted meat but it's killing my frame rate. What do?
Video Settings > Lightsource limit to the lowest
if even that is too much you can just disable them/lower beyond 4 in registry under "HKEY_CURRENT_USERSOFTWAREJavaSoftPrefshavenhafen"
I will check out whatever bay tomorrow. What are some items a sprucecap can always brings to get some coins? I don't have much.
Should I create an alt for this?
check the forum for their trading website
I don't have enough Will to travel to the charterstone and it won't tell me how much i need. Damn.
i can't decide who is the most pathetic community on this board, Haven and Hearth or eve online players.
both moronic turbo autists,
both eaither play hardcore grindfest or no-life pvpers out of their mind.
both get fked by devs , but looks like evetards pay waaaay more for what they get
How do you get a high quality stone axe as a newbie? No trading with players allowed.
Mine for better stone and plant trees to raise their quality for better wood, every time you split a block, the quality of sticks is raised if you have a higher quality axe. To get the best stone, do the quarryman credo for quarryartz.
Grabble one from a dead claim
Too early in the world for any dead claims to have an axe that isn't dogshit
Mining is so much fun.
I have lead bars now. What should I craft first?
Frying pan unlocks a lot of good food recipes, tinker's throwing axe is good for mining. You're pretty limited with metal recipes until you get bronze, so save as many bars for mine supports as possible.
How do I make the frying pan? I made the mold and used two lead bars on it. The wiki says it has to be directly next to the stack furnace but I placed the mold a few tiles away. Will it work?
Yeah if you poured the metal in, it worked. You just gotta wait like 8 hours.
How do i make a mining alt? Just str and masonry?
Need some combat stats for slimes and etc
What stats?
you will be holding a pickaxe so usually unarmed
a pickaxe is a melee weapon
So melee combat?
I'm rich now.
Do I leave scents when I enter a cave onto claimed land? Sometimes I can walk around freely on the claim and other times I can't do anything except leave the cave.
God I can't wait until snuggletroon ropes
Did one of them kill you or something? Ganking sprucies isn't unique to them you know
He's just an annoying moron and his clique has spent years leading the devs into ruining the game on purpose
Snail isn't the only one to abuse the game, reminder in w11 hedgehugs wasn't nuked while their neighbourilg realm NNL was over a funny bug where you could spice spitroasting sticks
Go suck his wiener in the discord cliqueBlack person
Take your meds schizo, in your focus on a single evil you forget the entire top of the game is evil
You can not gaslight me cliqueBlack person, you show up every time someone mentions this moron to defend him, you're not remotely subtle about being one of his buttbuddies and you won't fool anyone
>create char
>do some shit, find some curiosities
>finally have enough LP for yeomanry
>as soon as i build claim stake 2 other players shows up
>"welcome to pvp"
so now i can only create new character?
did you die or just get beaten up
i died aka game throwed me directly to new character creation
LOL
yeah welcome to haven thats just how we treat hermits and newbies because its funny
can someone point on flaws in my plan:
1. Create an alt on wilderness beacon.
2. Give this alt bond from claim and keys.
3. Keep him offline on claim.
i mean yeah that's fine as long as you keep it stocked with a passive LP gain of some sort and log onto it every now and then
slightly overkill but better than getting ko'd and forgetting to renew your claim bond
I have sound notification for players on and simply travel to my hearthfire the moment I hear it. I'm completely invincible and I lost many dugouts like this lol.
Leave a runestone if you want to talk to them. Wasn't there a global chat? I haven't played since legacy.
>Quality grind still a key point, spiralling still blows chunks even if it's not as important for PvP any more
>most high end content still demands restructuring your schedule around the game or botting out of your mind due to awkward time gates or needing to repeat the same mind numbing task hundreds of times
>Rolling a billion alts for specific purposes, even if playing in a group, is such an optimal way to play that trying to jack of all trades hermitmaxx will kneecap you with hunger stat gains and credo costs before you're a quarter as useful as the specialized alts
>PvP still boils down to 99% mobility ie who has the most water, most move speed bonuses, and clicks around trees best, but sieging is harder than ever once your shit dries
>Combat is still meh after reworks and changes, with a move gathering hassle and nerfs to ranged below bows with metal arrows further gating newbies compared to the old days of slinging bears to death from the shoreline
>More emphasis than ever on rare, valuable resources that only poopsock players will even have a chance to compete for, which further puts them ahead of solos and small groups (if you thought getting high quality metal or clay was bad before wait til you try to get salt or sulphur)
>Seasons, period
>Wiki still horrendously outdated or straight up wrong to lethal effect, the people who know how stuff works keep the info to themselves
>Community still dominated by a vocal minority of eastern European griefers and poopsockers who make good faith interactions with strangers hard to come across and creates a feedback loop of annoying shitters running around
God I fricking wish they could just put out private servers with changeable variables, if I could change whatever I think sucks ass ala Rust this would be one of my favourite games but it's so fricking slow and awkward and demands everything for almost nothing and it's SO CLOSE to not being a fricking pain to play but it is
aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ive played MMOs for years now and i still cant understand why people pretends that killing noobs is some kind of peak pvp humor
Where are the wild beehives? I can't find a single one.
>finally find my spawn on map
>its -1,19
so how can i find vortex?
the world is tiny, you're not hiding
frick off snail
How many times must I have this conversation in this thread.... Snail loves all attention (see: the HNH forums, the fact he touts his KF thread as an accomplishment) and would always say he is Snail to enjoy the negative attention, I am not Snail. Being a sganker who enjoys shitting on lesser players != snail, even Whatever Gay shits on hermits for fun, everyone likes the feeling of empowerment from doing it whether they claim to be defenders of the little goys or not.
>everyone likes the feeling of empowerment from doing it
This is so sad, you really live this way?
>wow you're having FUN in le PVP VIDEOGAME meant for FUN!?!?!?!? So sad................................
>picking on nabs and depopulating the game makes my pp the big pp and that's a good thing
Go suck snail's wiener moron
>noo you can't knock over the dominos
What if I'm in AD or one of the many other factions, hmm? He does have quite powerful recognition though, getting credit for every atrocity in the game inc the ones I commit
You're very obviously nightdawg or some other out of that brand of toadies
I can't just be an anon who plays the game evilmaxxed and doesn't seek attention like forumgays??
Not fooling anyone with that shriveled slimy snailwiener in your mouth
>who plays the game evilmaxxed
thats like 80% of H&H players
yeah that's what
doesn't seem to understand, I'm a literal anon nobody because I'm playing for a good time not to gain attention
>"pvp" with someone who can't fight back
>fun
Common it is a little funny from time to time. its when all the pvp you do is on gimps your basically just reinacting your gr school drama with the rolls reversed
Post your forum account so I know which cliqueshitter I'm dealing with
Do beehives only spawn in summer?
every haven player would 100% kill someone if they would be able to but those Blacks cuck themselves with their mindset so much that they dont get to shit on anyone, just look at early world where every moron steals crates and shit from everybody because they cant get punished
>waoh i'm such an epic hermit killer
>0 pictures of hermits being actually killed in the entire thread
wow anons on Ganker are making shit up incredible i would never have guessed it
Why do some fish have a green name?
I think that means it's what it's auto-picking if you don't click anything
Thx. I thought it was a color coded item rarity.
>quest: raid a birds nest
>it spawns a wood grouse that KOs me
>golden eagle or some shit when i'm snekking down the river
>"oh it's only a chance to aggro right"
>it aggros 100% and ko's my explo alt with like 5 nasty lacerations
frick birds frick birds frick BIRDS FRICK BIRDS
>still being this weak this far into the world
Brought it on yourself tbqh
>you can only play if you're start on world release
no wonder this game is only for cliques now
Haven is a gift to factions and factions alone
This has always been true but even moreso once Ard stopped developing the only feature rich public client
Maybe Jorb and Loftar should make vanilla competitive
>Doesn't have 500 str/agi exploration alt 2 months into the world
Ngmi
is the Arcanum village still up? Remenber playing with etna, mathias and a few other guys big on pvp 2 worlds ago
I miss those days of autism
just whitelist the game ffs
thats what everyone wants
and what, lose all their money?
I doubt newbies give them any money.
half newbies have green hero cap aka digital sprucecap
Do you reroll credo quests until you get an easy one? Do you get more rerolls when you run out?
Ok I get it now. When you cancel a quest it just resets your progress without telling you.
>botting not only not forbidden, but openly approved by devs
what the frick
it's not
they just don't care on the premise of some inane dream about how if something is being botted then it's probably a system that could be improved upon rather than trying to ban bots
and then they maybe do something that makes it less appealing to bot after 5 years of waiting
like farming having aoe and mining being an area picker autominer with autodrink and other shit
they have their hearts in the right place, they're just fricking slow and lazy beyond all comprehension
having gone from a bot free spruce village/collection of hermits into a faction I must say that I do not miss doing Black personwork like farming by hand
Why should I raise Unarmed Combat? Isn't Melee Combat better? I can get the skills with a bow.
Please eexplain.
>Please eexplain.
You raise both, because certain unarmed moves are much better at creating openings that you can then use to do damage with melee moves
t. haven't played for the last two worlds, might have missed some changes (not that jorbtard making any meaningful changes is a likely event)
you are going to have to kill a lot of things before you even are allowed to attack with a weapon
I just crafted some armor with my leftover low quality leather and now I have no problems tanking badgers and such. I had no idea it's that easy. I thought you needed ridiculously high stats to PvE without boat cheese.
Should my miner always wear armor? I miss out on extra stats from gildings but slimes would no longer KO me, right? I could probably fight one at 70 str.
PVE is easy even without armour, you just have to use speed 4 and drink a lot for most things.
yes, your miner should wear armor, typically the armor you should be using is badger vests as you can still gild those and they are much faster to make than leather
>get a better tool
>have to rebuild most of my base for the increased quality
I hate this.
Welcome to Haven, god I love not being an industrycuck and letting others worry about the q grind
Total Fighter Death
I sail on my snekkja looking for victims while the industry jannies keep everything smoothly operating at home
Should I move underground once I build a minehole in my cellar? I could be invisible and nobody would ever bother me.
What's it like playing in a big village with random players?
>have no idea who all those ppl are
>also have no idea if any of them is a mole
I found my first abandoned village. Going through what others have left behind is tooo much fun. I checked every house that didn't decay yet and took some stuff with me. How can something like this even exist this early into W15?
Rapid burnout is very real, even in major factions. Last Meteor was uncontested for example. Haven is a very iterational game with very few people lasting the entire world.
why the frick this game even exists on its current form if most people drop out in 2 months on a 8 months world cycle? Its moronic, either change how the game fundamentally works or have shorter worlds. Those kek sweede devs are two autistic motherfrickers.
>or have shorter worlds
ironically enough they tried this at some point and all it caused was people dropping off earlier
Jorb and Loftar aren't necessarily going to do what is best for the game because it's a passion project, they're pushing the game towards their vision not what will be most expedient for keeping a good player count the entire world. This is why they continually push the narrative of object controlled objects meanwhile churning out minimal content updates like a useless birb and some rage patches because someone complained about something loud enough
I could forgive all that if the new player experience was better. Veterans play this game like they WANT newbies to drop off, you get bullied, harassed and stole from because you commit little mistakes because of the obtuse mechanics, that's not fun people just don't stick around.
They should have an EvE Online system where you have PvP off or tuned down on certain regions of the world, that alone would make players stick around to at least learn the game for a world or two.
I honestly don't understand the mentality to intentionally deliver a poorer product because it clashes with your autism.
What are you going to do about the palisade that I built around your claim?
You illustrate my point perfectly. Have fun playing on a world with 12 people and 70 bots.
Its justice the nordic themed craft survival game is popular now, the thing HvH is doing for what, 8 years? Shows how two morons can be ahead of culture and still frick it up and have a worthless product.
>implying noobs can do something about it now
and again, 90% of game "PvP" is c**ts like snail trashing noobs who can barely understand how combat works
I disagree on removing fullpvp but agree obtuse mechanics drive players away but other than forcing players to read about how to safely build palis in a pali tutorial I'm not sure how to fix that. The amount of players who don't lock their nonvgates is astounding, and I feel a forth of bases I see just have no vgates period. I never had the displeasure of playing totally alone and nor would I ever tbqh
lol hermit zoos are incredibly rare
We're not all Snail. Killing other hearthlings is simply the most enjoyable activity within the game. Rangers don't exist because culturally the game tends towards savagry, which is more a reflection of the core pvp playerbase
SO FRICKING TRUE. I've never ganked or extorted a store hat from a hermit who didn't deserve it because they all do, everyone in the game plays dirty, it's a savage game and they are simply not as good at savagry.
>playing alone
This is just about the least enjoyable way to play the game
I would not play were I not in a village, heck at this point idk if I could even be fricked if I weren't in a faction which lets me focus on having fun and doing the parts of the game I enjoy (bashing sprucie dugouts and watching them drown)
The way I see it you can either compromise and have a slight bent to newbie friendly content and accessibility and in turn you maybe can have a sizeable following. Or the alternative where your hardcore game appeal to 20 people worldwide and it never grows out of that.
It makes no difference to me by the way, there's same genre games coming out every month, I won't be hungry if I just pass on this one.
whole game is built on timers too inconvenient for regular people
and the whole ebin free pvp only makes things worse
>How can something like this even exist this early into W15?
The village claim borders probably touch a global resource or two, causing the otherwise slow dripfeed of auth loss to be turned into a rapid loss.
They had an ancient tree walled off.
I worked on albion online and the only thing I gathered from my time at Sandbox was that the homosexuals who consistently try to steer for a more "PvE" and "noob-friendly" environment will not stop screeching even when they reach bone marrow.
Moving PvP or PvP availability to special corners of the world with more risk-or-reward is something that consistently gets pushed, only for demands that these special corners keep getting pushed and pushed into more obscure and shittier rewards and sizes.
Also most newbies deserve it, you can observe this early when practically literally everyone on the first few days WILL steal without impunity from you and try to frick you up before you get rage/a claim.
Even late world I've bashed in many heads of people who straight up take shit from my boat right in front of me and then have the gall to ask why I'm beating the shit out of them.
That's nice and all, but is it really worth playing alone because you want to feel better than pvegays? Just imagine you are playing HvH in your mind, that's about the same experience.
>That's nice and all, but is it really worth playing alone because you want to feel better than pvegays?
The majority of pvp players quit in the first month or two, the existing population drain in fact has almost nothing to do with pvp related issues but core flaws of the game that have existed since its creation.
>and in turn you maybe can have a sizeable following
It has a consistent 1500 concurrent player count on each world launch that dwindles down 150~ players per month after launch.
The total active playercount (not including alts) of this has been confirmed to be around 10 times the concurrent player count on average by one of the developers.
This has been the case for nearly ten years now.
I think you're extremely downplaying the success of this game, sure, it might not bolster the levels of Albion or EVE, but for every single Haven and Hearth, there are 100 shitty sloppy craft-surv-pvp games that fail to even gather that number initially.
They just admitted the game is stagnant for 10years now. If they are happy with that I think we are done here, why even make a thread clearly nobody is interested in this game for the long run.
you're on /vm/, the board where shit that CANT sustain an active thread on /vg/ falls into
what the frick do you mean "why even make a thread" you dumb Black person
I don't see threads about stuff like obscure russian ss13 total conversion server or any other niche game the CIS region plays. Your post shows nobody really cares, but fine I guess it does have a place in a 10PPH board. HvH can continue being a niche game nobody plays, I am just salty the swedes ruined something with potential.
>new players: overconvoluted mechanics, straight up hostile community, tons of time needed
>old players: fricking nothing to do besides stomping noobs
gee i wonder why game is so unpopular
stop projecting you insane loon and leave the thread already
your shitty ideaguy dream of an EPIC PVE HAVEN AND HEARTH that totally hasn't been suggested 5000 times wouldn't even have a thread on /vm/ because it would've died out years ago
it's a full pvp permadeath sandbox game unlike any other and i'm tired of hearing the lamenting wails of morons like you that are intentionally trying to sabotage it to fulfill some kind of insane dream game that will never fruition into reality
the shitty game gains more players per world than it loses to the point where the stingy motherfrickers this world even had to update the server because of the increase in playerbase was clogging the toilet loftar calls a "server"
>permadeath
>meanwhile hungercide was abused to hell and back
The only person who did actual hungercide this world was Felix, and everyone on AD hated him for it because his epic journey to get 53 extra stats cost the village practically the entirety of the miners food cache.
The only proof of hungercide being an active issue (I'm glad it's gone though) was the most autistic and dedicated PvP player doing it.
Not a single other relevant person actively did it and the community being so up and arms at it is because a good chunk of them really just dislike felix and his actions.
Should I keep my hearthfire inside a building or out in the open?
As long as its inside a Pali you're fine.
Other PVPers like Sheep have talked about while not actively pursuing it, benefits to dying and ultimately having higher stats after due to hunger reset from dying in a fight. But yeah thank frick hunger is inherited now,.
Another nice thing that was most usefull for new players that PVPers destroyed because autism. I would be surprised if the player retention of this game is bigger than 10 every world.
>had to upgrade the servers so big factions can now run 50 bots instead of 20
>1k players top, 200 will be the average in a month or two
Even the small village I was last world had more than 20 bots that I know of, this is what is cloging your server bro, not real players.
yes, the game is unlike any other so why the devs are not millionaire by now and why any other haven clone is making 1000x more money on steam?
Game Mechanics are always going to be pushed to their limits by at least someone. If the mechanic can be abused to make death preferable in a game thats supposed to be permadeath, it's bad and needs to be changed. I think many people would be more careful with their chars if inheritance just wasn't a thing at all, ultimately less efficient players will ALWAYS be punished more however, it's unavoidable.
>I think many people would be more careful with their chars if inheritance just wasn't a thing at all
You morons will never be satisfied until the game plays like the fricking sims I swear to god
>and why any other haven clone is making 1000x more money on steam
there is no haven clone
rust is not a haven clone
valheim is not a haven clone
eve and albion are not haven clones
if there was a "haven clone" that was making 1000x more money on steam you wouldn't be here
you're just one of the dozens of jaded schizos who has been playing this shit for 10 years and has some weird irrational hatred for the game and is unable to let go because he's gone on some delusional trip on how great the game would be if they just made it like you envisioned it to be
just like the path of exile general and every other thread on this shitty website, you'll spend an eternity here screeching about how it's dead and is going to die and shill some obscure trashheap as the game that will kill it for the rest of your life
prove me wrong homie
you can't
you're MAZED
3d is fricking ugly
I build a minehole outside of my base. I'm unsure what gate to put on the pali. Is a normal gate enough? I could enter with a slave key and hearth out. Is this a bad idea?
Is there any point in expanding my personal claim if my village claim already covers the area?
Not really unless you want to force people to leave scents for trespassing or want to stop villagers from taking shit from a specific vgated off area
I was not endorsing that but it is PERMA DEATH after all.... and it used to be that way.....
Should I even do anything on the first mine level?
idk what you're looking like progression-wise
if you just started you might want to get some lead/tin for a tinker axe but that's honestly about it
if you have a tunnel you can prospect a little to see if you have any silver nearby
You get metal for mine support
Don't bother with tinker axes, just jump to market and buy cheap stone one(which will be multiple time faster than whatever you produce) even if you want to be self sufficient you're better off just spiralling stone axe
I bought myself a Q50 pickaxe and a Q160 stone axe. Shouldn't I use a pickaxe for mining?
you may require the stone axe for rocks of high enough hardness, the pickaxe will mine anything it can faster but the axe is 1.5 times more effective
What stats and item quality do high-end players have by now?
metal gear currently being sold is around q90ish usually things that belong to a major faction are a quality breakpoint above what is being sold so close to or near q160 metal items are a possibility
https://irongete.com/haven/trade
this can kind of give you an idea of what's out there
idk if anyone has broken 200q on steel yet but it should be soon
It's finally summer. We are so back.
Seasons were a fricking mistake
everything in the last several years was a fricking mistake
starting from this gayass curio system
boy i loved digging dirt and crafting buckets 24/7
>read how stat raises work
>still don't understand it
Is there like a rule of thumb about how much FP gain per hunger points is considered "good", and at what point satiation makes that kind of food un-optimal?
Also is there still villages or newbie friendly areas on the world accepting new players?
Depends what stage of the game you're in, no such thing as a newbie friendly area ESPECIALLY this world which is quite small, if you're not friends with anyone with experience it's unironically over
> is there still villages or newbie friendly areas on the world accepting new players?
yes i am in one of the carebare villages but not of my own accord
>fep gain
your HIGHEST stat determines fep needed to gain any stat. for singular food satiations? >85% is like always fine but use your brain to figure out if it's worth going lower, 60% i would probably switch foods wtf am i eating that 60% of it is better than 100% of something else? cheese maybe.
One single food item + one emergency nut or berry should be enough to fill up your FEP bar. You are eating wrong if you can't manage that.
Until you get better options, eat sizzling spitroasted fish but don't overlevel your INT.
Food Efficiency should be as close to 300% as possible.
>One single food item + one emergency nut or berry should be enough to fill up your FEP bar. You are eating wrong if you can't manage that.
This is moronic hyperoptimalist autistic bunk
early on spitroasted fish + animals are king aside from shit like specific nutjerky for str because getting str fish sucks
once you have a table it practically doesn't matter, you're going to run into satiation, pinpoint stat gain problems and a lack of supply rather than hunger issues
Is it worth it to consume raw insects and shit? What about survival roasts, the one you use the common fire to bake, are they optimal? Is there even a "noob trap" food I should avoid?
>Is it worth it to consume raw insects and shit?
only really for energy
wildgrub in general is just really weird not because of bad values but because of weird stat combinations and utterly insane requirements that you probably can't scale up early and won't be worth it later
fishwrap and nutjerky are pretty good, and the glutton and roast can be decent but they have an issue of generally gaining like 6 stats with a small amount on each so they're a weird gamble for stats and won't be actively helping you get what you want
>Is there even a "noob trap" food I should avoid?
most garden greens suck honestly, they're balanced around late game values and as such they just completely blow ass with early to medium stages of the game and later get dominated by cheese and foods
steak and tubers is also ass
escargot are quite good at raising con and will and roast grasshoppers are okay at raising agi but are also an efficient food for getting back over 8000 energy
the only noob trap for food is pumping perception for exploration. If you are doing the foraging credo you will get +15 perception which is a huge increase to food requirements if perception is already the highest stat.
Hopefully this shitty world won't last too long
At what stats do you stop eating spit roasted fish?
technically never if you're being a tryhard about it, it's insanely good as a filler due to the high amount of fish/low hunger/decent feps and it scales in quality really easily due to getting boosted by spitroast quality
once i only eat cheese or get too lazy to fish
I finally found a teabush. Are there any other rare trees or bushes I should have in my base?
not really, everything else you'd want is fairly common, although from what I have seen actual apple trees are somewhat rare on the eastern continent
>last forager credo quest
>raid a birds nest
>spend an hour searching for a biome that still has them
>it spawns a turkey that KOs me
Do I need a character for every single profession or can I handle the game with hybrid ones? From what I gathered maybe I can get away with a Miner/Metal/Fighter and a Forager/Hunter/Everything else.
if you are a hermit most characters you have are going to be a hybrid of something. Only your farmer should only be a farmer and depending on what stats you eat on him he could branch out to whatever.
The Siege of Whatever Gay has begun, I hope you anons weren't moronic enough to join haha
What are you chuds gonna say when robben wins
Our morale is too high to lose
Very pleased with how this aged
i joined the cat shitposting battle royale with the 50 people in vc
What does the % number indicate when you use a healing item on a wound?
it sucks that this game is literally ruled by a top 1%
I'm pretty surprised that they didn't learn anything from Salem, when the 1% literally charged everyone in the entire game protection money and ruined the game/depopulated the servers until it was completely valueless and then bought the game from them.
I'm building a fake base near a river to bait players into committing criminal acts. Would an ore smelter behind a wood fence be too obvious? Give me some ideas.
If you make it look like you're someone who's juuust starting to get metal, that's just about the best bait. Stack furnace with maybe a small pile of ore, small cabin, drying racks, etc
just do anything
roundpole fence shitshow with low q raw hides drying right next to the river
i mean you're not looking to do anything but kill sprucies, right?
No no no, it's important that it looks like he has something worth fricking with, but also like he has no idea what he's doing (ie metal before pali)
I want to send out Nidbanes with the vandalism and theft scents.
waste tbh
I'm making my own fun. That's what you do in a sandbox MMO.
Is this one of you
It's a russian meme about anons gathering somewhere and starting a commune(btardsk)
dvach bros then?
What food belongs to the Offal subtype?
only bush rolls to my knowledge
liver and onions i think
My mine entrance is visible from a nearby cave. Should I build a palisade around every minehole?
Bob Doles is dead xd
>attention prostitute forum shitters now transparently leaking into this thread and namegayging
Frick OFF
Why shouldn't I settle near a river? I'm invincible behind a palisade. This isn't Legacy.
the same reasons, being on a river means you are seen more, you set up a palisade on a river someone has extra incentive to see if your claim has any power and just bust up your corner post or claim. Since the world is smalelr that is very likely to happen
Well, my palisade is on an active claim. What now?
>low quality roasted fish giving 250 FEP/hunger
What are they thinking?
How often do you come across random players who try to kill you on sight?
It happened: I got ganked and killed. Not as big as as a hit as I thought it would be.
Also I found an open market with like 4 unrelated people shopping around, it was surreal to see it on this game.
Tell me what happened. Was it your mistake?
Caught out in the ocean on a raft, the guy had the third tier of boats I forgot the name, two shotted me and destroyed the boat under me and I drowned. I didn't teleported back but I figured if the guy does it fast enough you die before you heart back.
My fault, I was using the ocean way too much because of a few good nodes. He almost caught my alt too when I got my corpse back.
oh wow thats my favorite way of killing people
Yeah dying basically doesn't matter
were you one shot or did you just not log out?
I found a newbie base while looking for a good spot myself.
>wood fence with an opening
>keys in a poorly hidden clay pot
>multiple rowboats not even on the claim
>full claim permission granted to white
>four hearthfires that were all active today
>three stockpiles of leather, some metal bars, everything low Q
>huge farm off-claim
>two timber houses and a stonestead
>cupboards filled with stuff
I could have taken everything but I can't bring myself to do it. It looked like they were all having fun together. I have left a runestone to tell them about building a palisade.
May God bless them.
That was bait, anon
How is that bait?
>not dunking on spruces at every possibility
cucked
The fact you pass on 15q bars means your soul is intact, only slavBlack folk steal just because they can.
so does anyone on here actually do anything or is this game just farmville outside of the like 20-30 people who pvp and are way too good at it
I'm shit at pvp so I bully hermits
Does every server refresh die only like 2 weeks in? All of my neighbors' houses are decaying
the game has burn out waves, first is after getting the palisade up, second is getting bronze and the third is wrought iron. There was an average of 2500 playing when the world started so the game is at the near end stage before major factions get bored and trade just sort of dies out.
Don't forget jorbtar just made huge pvp changes that are unpopular with the pvp cohort, likely spelling the end of most non-ganking external faction activity this world if they don't reverse it or amend it. So if anything this worlds next burnout wave is happening right now and a bit faster than usual.
he reverted the changes didn't he? Its crossed out on the blogpost
>Speed buffs from "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers" have been inverted. Rather than making you run faster, they now make animals chased run slower.
Thats recent unlike the SOTW con/HP change which never happened
mama please I can't jog
Now instead of running away it's being chased for an hour+, not to mention with current storm of swords meta you just charge a group into another group and everyone aids opens each other and eventually one group wins. I don't have an easy solution, but the actual pvper class is largely disinterested in the game with the current meta, which is probably an overall detriment to the game as one of the most major economic drivers (not to mention subscribers and thus jorbtard's bottom line) is mostly checked out of the game now
Are there even Thingwalls on the other landmasses?
Yeah.
Then why can't I spawn there with a new character?
>Speed buffs from "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers" have been inverted. Rather than making you run faster, they now make animals chased run slower.
It's over.
Any change to the awful & moronic aspergers running meta that's existed since pushout was added is a good change
>Won't someone think of the griefers??? What about them??? What about le ebin pvpers who only play for <2 months every world and then spend 10 months complaining about player count???
Frick off idiot
I still can't believe the HP change was scapped because they literally did not think of all other sources of damage other than combat and how this would effect them, no cave in, no infected sore, no picking up crabs or beehives not a thing was considered.
HP change was actually scrapped because of armor scaling.
I am not shitting you.
They unironically last minute pulled the rug on a giant change because they forgot that armor scaled.
This is like the 6th combat related change in a row that gets fully developed, tested for a second and then killed because they didn't think of the MOST BASIC of shit.
Entire community asks for core mechanic to be given to everyone from the getgo instead of being locked behind slippers and a credo.
Core mechanic gets removed instead.
Bravo, I love shift clicking in a direction and then pressing drink every two minutes until the RNG gods give me a speedbuff or one of us gives up due to boredom/hunger.
Hope you've all got an equal amount of perception * exploration as the person chasing you so he doesn't get to see more speedbuffs than you!
the funniest part would be spawning shitload of personal claims and make someone tresspass to death
Is there a good way to complete the fisherman's credo? The fishing cheat sheet on the forums doesn't work, its a nightmare to get the fish you want, I literally got 3 full piles of fishes and I am not even past the 2/5 level.
Best way is just to figure out lure fishing. Make your own sheet, it's not that tricky, just fiddly and autistic.
>Is there a good way to complete the fisherman's credo?
Not really, my method so far for multiple fishing credos on multiple characters:
>Get a Primitive Casting-Rod.
>Find the best combination for your fish on the cheat sheet.
>Pump up your survival as much as possible!
>Fish in an area with many jumping fish, if your fish is not in the top 2/3 results, move 20~ tiles to any direction and try again.
I spammed nets
collected a frickton of swamp reeds and made a billion ropes. 2 nets in a river here, 2 nets in a lake there, 2 in an ocean. Excess nets where needed. Nets let you cheat for fisherman credo granted nobody steals them, which is less possible on a newer world without a claim but you might get lucky this late in. A private pond or claim can assist greatly with this
Credo aside, don't forget to use nets in cave water too for easy cave fish, but like the others say use fishing rods and the Will attribute scales with fishing chances
lure fishing is incredibly fast, it's so fast it makes fishing as something you can do as your 5th or 6th credo and still be easy
Yeah, you just gotta spend 20-30 minutes here and there creating a decent map of fishing nodes, then by the time you start fisherman you can just slam through it.
this is why you get it out of the way as first or second credo
Likely first now that forager isn't mandatory anymore
Is this game still dominated by like 20 autists who abuse the frick out of glitches and other bullshit, never get punished and basically just make the game unfun for everyone else?
yes
Sad the developers never grew a pair about this shit.
You are untouchable behind a palisade. Death barely matters. Nobody bothers to steal from a hermit. Bots have no impact on your gameplay experience. There is nothing to compete over. As a casual solo player you don't get to participate in endgame content anyway.
Game's fun and in the best state it has ever been.
It always will be because of jorb's streak of bizarre christo-nordic libertarianism that leaves him basically totally unwilling to ever stop anyone from doing anything
precisely
>searching for a good spot to build my base
>come across multiple abandoned bases and villages
>get everything I need
>tons of leather, seeds, even metal bars, highQ workstations and so on
>spend hours moving everything to my base
>lose all interest and delete game
...maybe next world
and how exactly collecting trash made you lose interest?
Starting from scratch is what I enjoy the most but it's a self-imposed challenge this late into the world. I can't do much until my characters caught up in stats and that might take a while.
I don't see how collecting hundreds of WWW and waiting for it to dry is any more entertaining than grabbing seeds from an abandoned farm. You have collected literal trash and common stuff that would take you two days to earn yourself, it's fricking nothing.
Especially in a game like this where division of labor is important, you must hate yourself if you want to do everything solo and get discouraged by some skips that easily.
t. moronic pvpchud who doesn't actually like the game
last time I participated in pvp was world 2
Just tell yourself its a "catch up mechanic". Use to make basic QoL equipment to get you going faster. Its not like you will compete with the guys that started at day one.
>skips the whole game
>gets bored
Sad!
>ESL
>is moronic
Sad!
fisherman credo can eat my ass
How about a thread on /vg/?
wont survive
How long does it take for an animal body to start decaying?
last I checked it was an ingame day before they turned into a skeleton which is just under 8 hours takes another day or two before the skeleton disappears
well mine definitely survived longer than that, pretty sure it's how it was in legacy
and they decay gradually, first they lose skin and intestines, then meat rots, then skeleton stays for week
but I don't really know how long each stage takes, I managed to recover hide after ~7 hours
I am completely unprepared for how much a q200 sword improved my hunting, I am producing infinite hides and meat with the only limit being waiting to get more leather armor this is insane.
My village is so fricked. We settled in a region with no iron whatsoever. The best we get is occasional drops of q20 chalcopyrite, real tiny amounts. On 7 levels, no sign of iron ochre or anything better.
Having to get swords from market sucks so bad. And now gardener also quit, so we aren't getting high q wood. And markets suck too, Bay has no real exchange, they only issued coins to first grabbers and stopped maintaining it. Other markets aren't even worth mentioning.
I wish I could afford a q200 sword myself.
Are you able to scout a nearby mountain?
what for? rock crystals are always camped
iron. rustrooting on mountains is rather easy due to the mass amount of caves
dude, iron starts at level 3
Since when did they do that? I haven't kept track
Someone make a new thread. I have nowhere else to go to ask questions.
>Greet Imahugehomosexual (7646z5,2m away)
>Defeat a Bear (x20)
>Tell Fsdggjggddf of your exploits (6z346,4m away)
>You gained 26 Learning Points
>Increased the local Silkmoth quality by 1
I find that happens far less, although having the tree give me 9k experience and both a gilding leaf/rock and some random junk is still worse than getting learning points
>9k experience
>worse than getting learning points
How do you tame animals without taking damage? I don't have stats yet but I want some pets.
what's wrong with taking damage?
The damage killing me with no stats or armor.
well, then you have to cheese them with water and a boat
Can a homesteaded dove carry one item of any size or only a 1x1 item?
dunno, but I heard it can carry a belt
guess it's time to try it