wasted fricking potential of a villain not making him a final boss that behaves and moves like the player. Imagine if the second dlc ended up with a really good Quake-bot style boss and arena instead of this fricking goober on a mech suit. Fricking hugo martin
it's shit, and I love DE. there's no balance whatsoever, it's sweaty bullshit from start to finish, you get exhausted before the first mission is over. they were right to "nerf" it, and it wasn't even a real nerf, they just removed like 3 enemies from the first mission for the sake of pacing, but no the youtube sweatlords don't like the state of not sweating. possessed enemies is a neat idea implemented poorly. they really didn't need to quadruple the hp of a buffed enemy, and they really didn't need to make it the main mechanic of the final boss.
TAG 2 got it right.
Yeah, Eternal was such a letdown. Its like they took everything about 2016 and decided to screw up everything it did right. >oh, back to basics huh? Nah, lets just insert 80 different mini mechanics into the formula to annoy the player >light on the lore and straight to the point? no, I think we'll need more complicated backstories. Doom Slayer-sama need to be someone of renown. Let's make up a whole universe to explain him >players enjoyed just shooting monsters? Hmm, that's not going to work a second time, let's add some more pointless platforming sections
I thought it was an "okay" game, but I have zero desire to replay.
turn down the difficulty then? the game should have been harder, only last map in base campaign of DE is fun once you play the game once and stop getting filtered
Agreed. Doom Eternal remains my favorite shooter. Naturally
Narrowly beats Ultrakill due to level design and polish. But the final boss completely shit the bed lol. No desire to play that again.
The final boss fight in general is one of the most hilariously underbaked things in this entire franchise, and Mighty Doom exists. DLC 2 dropped the ball across the board from giving to the hammer that's more overpowered and spammable than a bullet hell bomb mechanic, to having "big" fights that were very awkwardly designed to be always contained versus the super turbo dickey puncher 3 that was the first DLC, to really bland new encounters like spinning sanic imps or 1HP hell trooper goombas.
But I mean, when you fight the Dark Lord himself who turns out to be the capital G in God who made the Doomguy in his fricking image, I expect a hell of a lot more than a timed dodge slap fight and some ghost summoning.
missed potential not making the fight like when you fight yourself in ultrakill, a lot of missed potential in general. could have made it so when you go to glory kill him he interrupts you and does a reversal instead or shoots at his own demons to gain back some life
>wait what is this
after stopping one part of the hell invasion, Ruindude and others look to find the seraphim that helped him in the past for some new solution. turns out samuel hayden was the seraphim the entire time separated from his body, pretending to be human. then they go to restore god, only for Killman to decide he's gonna free the anti-god for a permanent solution to hell, and fricks over god from ever manifesting in the universe again. sammyphammy gets extra asshurt and tries to stop Endmale and gets his ass beat for it. anti-god gets freed, turns out oops he's the original god after all and the god we thought we fricked over usurped his position as the anti-god created and then got bound to hell for some solution to immortality for his people. the original god just happened to make Slaughterpal in his image as part of some moronic long term plan of vengeance against his betrayers.
then Guydoom kills anti-god and falls into a coma because he also just killed the source of power that sammy shot into his veins and thus gets sealed away for whenever Id shits another pile of turds out their ass in a riverstream of moronation.
should have just done a continuation of 2016, I'm find with them hinting that Doom Slayerman is a part of a bigger thing, but when they started doing like fricking fantasy gods and shit clashing in this weird GOW thing I was tuned out. He should have no affiliation,pretty cool guy, isn't afraid of anything, kills aleins and demons doesn't give a shit about being a knight or wahtever
I liked the plots of both Doom 2016 and Eternal. The expanded lore of Eternal is kinda cool, and I think id did an ok job trying to create a "universe" or full lore of Doom. I haven't read all the lore, and probably never will, but it gives some depth to the game. Regardless, the story and plot are completely optional: it's all told through skippable cutscenes and the optional Codex pages
I didn't mean to say the criticisms aren't legitimate. I was just giving my take on the new Doom "universe" in Eternal. I'm mostly indifferent to it, but I can agree with criticism like how the ending of TAG2 was too "Marvel-like".
Eternal doesn't make a lick fo sense without the context of its plot though >Why are you in a huge space fortress? Plot. >Why are you chasing these hell priest dudes? Plot. >Why are you going to this new locale of the Sentinel homeworld? Plot. >Why are you meeting up with God of War's voice actor? Plot. >Why are you taking time out of your schedule to go destroy the super gore nest? Plot. >Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden and why is he suddenly a good guy? Plot.
Etc. etc.
You can say that the cutscenes are skippable because you've already seen them, but without them the progression of levels and events are completely disjointed and arbitrary. Eternal cares about its story, and it WANTS you to care too.
In 2016 you can reasonably make the argument that even ignoring the details of the story, the plot can still be summarized as >Slayer wakes up >is pissed >kills every demon in his way until he finds the biggest demon he can and kicks it in the mouth
And the game rolls forward with that momentum alone. Not so for Eternal.
>You can say that the cutscenes are skippable because you've already seen them, but without them the progression of levels and events are completely disjointed and arbitrary.
So?
>Why did you wake up? >Why are you going to that argent tower? >Why are you going to Vega? >Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden? >etc
Meanwhile, Eternal can be summarized as: >Slayer arrives in fortress >is pissed >kills every demon in the world and everyone else that gets in his way >finds the largest demon and stabs it in the head
>Why did you wake up?
Because you were sleeping >>Why are you going to that argent tower?
Some dude on the radio said it was good idea >>Why are you going to Vega? >Some dude on the radio said it was good idea >>Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden?
He's the dude on the radio >Slayer arrives in fortress
How? He was stuck on Mars last we saw him >kills every demon in the world and everyone else that gets in his way
But he's targeting specific demons though
should have just done a continuation of 2016, I'm find with them hinting that Doom Slayerman is a part of a bigger thing, but when they started doing like fricking fantasy gods and shit clashing in this weird GOW thing I was tuned out. He should have no affiliation,pretty cool guy, isn't afraid of anything, kills aleins and demons doesn't give a shit about being a knight or wahtever
Not do the homosexual le epic slayer fantasy and just go back to having background plot that Doomguy just waltzes through
Eternal ruined him, ruined Hayden, ruined the cool space crusaders duded and ruined the vibe
>keep the tone of 2016 >Samuel Hayden as the main antagonist >remove the makyrs from the story entirely >Doomguy is the betrayer, not the doomguy from the classic games >Marauder is a rival character rather than a recurring enemy >the seraphim is D'Sparil from Heretic
Having a rival in Doom is a stupid idea. It doesn't work when they try to play up how brutal Doomguy is. He wouldn't leave an enemy alive long enough for them to get away.
You've never been immune to damage and death in Doom, acting like he's a God further ruins his lore. This is also an easy problem to solve. Simply make it a demon of trickery that just poofs into a tree log when he 'dies' like a ninja.
>Doomguy IS the Doomguy from the classic games, it always made sense after the ending of Doom 64. >The Seraphim is the player and the divinity machine is whatever you're playing the game on.
Everything else I agree with.
the research logs have a much more clinical approach to doomguy and find out that he's not technically that special, in their attempts to copy him they discover that argent really likes it when people go on killstreaks and are as brutal as possible so it buffs and heals them
and he's been at it for quite a while
Drop the marvel shit, the whole Night Sentinel thing, the Betrayer, The Dark Lord, keep it simple and straightforward, humanity decided to use the red energy, demons invaded earth and you now must kill them, simple and effective.
If you want some kind of plot, make a DLC from the perspective of the soldiers, scientists and civilians.
I'd keep Eternal's premise but have it focus more on ARC and earth because it was fun seeing him interact with soldiers and scientists. I also wouldn't have done the "Samuel is the Seraphim" bullshit.
>remove (You)r lore >remove sentinel lore >(You) are just some unreasonable killing machine neither human nor demon can neither comprehend nor count on
Make the level itself the boss and you have to shoot through walls and shit to get to its heart and blow it the frick up. The esoteric overlord of hell shouldn't be a basic ass bipedal thing, it should be grander or more fricked up like the original Icon of Sin.
make heaven and the makyrs more biblically accurate, have The Father as a completely separate character from Vega and don't have Satan as the actual creator of the universe, that would be a start
>How would (you) fix the plot of Doom Eternal?
Continue the plot of the cliffhanger ending of the prior game instead of doing a bizarre in media res years later where the player has no idea what the frick is going on.
Could have just made Hayden the big bad. But unlike bertruger is not possessed or evil for evils sake but arrogant in a humanity frick yeah type of way in that he thinks Hell is just a new land for resource harvesting and colonizing. Not realizing they're over their heads.
Doom guy is at his best when he's just the Demon Janny having to clean up the mess humanity makes with demons.
Yeah, I have. I done tons of 100 present runs. The games secrets are so fricking easy to find I can 100% the game just by muscle memory.
But I'm talking about have the entire game look like a slayer/megadeath album cover.
>But I'm talking about have the entire game look like a slayer/megadeath album cover.
I think the game does that pretty often. too many moments to mention but specifically the introduction of the doom hunter is metal as frick. some judas priest/motorhead/megadeth shit right there.
What made Doom 2016 work was Doomguy's complete disregard of the overarching plot, whenever the game tried to explain something, doomguy would either stop the conversation or do something destructive to move forward
but they break that flow eventually where you absolutely have to have a long pause, talking with Samuel Hayden in his office, they're trying to explain things too much, instead of having doomguy just do what he wants.
Remove the Maykr, angel, heaven and all other stuff. Demons are demons from Hell, nothing more to it. Also, remove the space knights and other shit. It's just Doomslayer fighting Hell on Earth. Hayden is also just a rich guy who thinks he is smarter than he is.
I'd go with this.
2016 made it cool by just alluding to background stuff and setting up the player as being this vengeful rage fueled invincible turbo autist. That was all it ever needed. And the main plot was your generic demonic invasion, nothing too complicated.
Going in to detail on how everything transpired was a tremendous mistake. Having the main plot also involve stupid aliens and space knights instead of just "demons are invading again, time to put them back in their place" was the second mistake.
We did NOT need to know how the Slayer got his fricking powers, who he was, where he came from, let alone all that other shit, Did everyone at the studio forget why they made 2016 in the first place and why the campaign was liked, or did all the writers quit since?
>2016 sets up that Samuel is gonna keep Slayer on a leash to sick on the next catastrophe >Eternal just fricking has Slayer in some teleporting space keep with Earth already having been mostly overrun and every plot-relevant thing but fighting the tide back happened off-screen between games
Fricking have Samuel drop the Slayer in pretty much at the start of the invasion or shortly after and then you can still have Sammy get fricked up off-screen because the Slayer can't be everywhere at the same time. Having the whole game just suddenly revolve around killing three priests with no build-up besides some logs and having zero context to what's going on, combined with shit like having the Mars space station level intro from E3 complete with Plasma Rifle when you got the fricking gun in the second level of the campaign already, tells me there was some MAJOR late-dev rewrites that the lore guy tried to awkwardly pave over a pothole with.
I would've leaned away from the Night Sentinel space operas shit and more into this kinda thing: >Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment.
By making the story be about how Doom Slayer is trapped in Hell after 2016 and now has to fight his way back out to Earth. Game ends with a final fight against Super Mecha Hayden aboard the space station thing to seal the hell portal, ends with the Doom Slayer overlooking an overrun planet. He wieners his shotgun, roll credits
I don't get it. Did Satan make Doomguy in his own image? Or is Doomguy of the Sharingan one of those alternate universe Doomguys from a random fan WAD they made canon?
he should have been basically a demon version or at least a literal shadowman slayer version. This shit is just literally "i'm you but eveeell" which sucks. Dark Samus did it better
The lore implies the original Doomguy basically planewalked through Hell to an alternate dimension where Doom 2016 and Eternal took place. It would seem like an obvious opportunity to introduce a second alternative Doomguy native to the Bethesda dimension who ended up falling to the demons. Or a Doomgal even, just say every dimension has its own Doomguy.
They very obviously ran out of time somewhere, yes
See the lame gun-toting enemies you encounter in the last five minutes whose special thing is that they cant be glory-killed (which means they didn't have to come up with and animate that for them)
Oh my god i forgot about the paper mache soldiers, fricking hilarious
Those guys got patched later on to have more than 1 hit point, which makes them running out of time so much more obvious. I think they were an underutilized enemy type. It would have been nice to have enemies that drop a tiny amount of ammo on death.
>spectral enemies force you to use microwave, an add-on that nobody wants to use because it slows you down in a game where you can't slow down >different colored impts that force you to use burst shotgun, an add-on that nobody wants to use because it wastes ammo in a game that doesn't let you waste ammo
Both of these DLC enemies were just a slap in everyone's faces. Instead of fixing what doesn't work, force people to engage with the shit that doesn't work.
The microwave beam was legitimately good already, but overlooked. Spirits were a great way to get people to actually use the thing. Stone Imps were better when you could just shield bash them to death.
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Anonymous
>Spirits were a ____ way to FORCE people to actually use the thing.
Fixed. I use the Heat Blast 100% of the time there's no Spirit on the field. You have more than enough CC with Ice bombs and regular damage stagger.
If you want an example on how to organically get the player to use a firemode they otherwise wouldn't: See Carcasses and the Ballista's Destroyer Blade (even just a small charge completely destroys their projected shields and kills them behind it.)
It feels satisfying to do because it's among the BEST ways to deal with them, it's not satisfying when it's the ONLY way to deal with them. Especially when that way is to hang around, slowed, in a limited range, with your dick out, watching a bar fill.
Big Angels and Poison Prowlers were the only good DLC enemies.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Its not just the microwave. I don't know anyone 5hrs+ into the game that uses the micro rockets, the air detonation or the full auto combat shotgun
4 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I get some use out of full auto shotgun, once it got buffed enough that good use of it can keep a good slaughterchain going with free refills. Air detonation is also good in select cases for stunning enemies briefly while you try to focus on other shit. But micro rockets, you may as well just be using something else unless you somehow exhausted most ammo options.
4 months ago
Anonymous
problem with the air detonation is obviously the delayed action, there is a massive opportunity cost to waiting even a second when you could already be shooting something with a new weapon, and the cluster bomb is too handy for dealing with swarming fodder when you wanna save rockets
theres a similar issue with the triple barrel chaingun, its just too nice to have an instant shield you can pull out during oh shit -moments and surf away from danger with your shield up, its why i genuinely wish there was a way to keybind all the mods individually because i like the triple barrel chaingun aesthetically
4 months ago
Anonymous
>forcing people to do something in a game is... le bad!
4 months ago
Anonymous
It is when you're forced to do something awful and unfun, like using the Microwave Beam. If the Microwave Beam was actually fun to use, no one would have complained.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It is fun to use, and is one of the best stunlocking tools you have access to. The Ice Bomb takes too long to recharge.
It's just like the Destroyer Blade. Nobody wanted to use it at launch because it made you slow, then people learned that you can bunny hop with it to preserve momentum. A lot of Eternal's weapons seem to have a way better secondary fire than the other at face value, but most of them still have a purpose. The auto shotgun and micro missiles are the only ones that aren't really worth using.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think strongly encouraging the use of mechanics in a game is bad. However, being forced to use the Microwave Beam to kill spirits is a death sentence especially in DLC, horde mode, and higher level play.
The typical encounter is as follows: you have to quickly swap mods, ensure your crosshair is locked on the spirit and not a different demon, maintain focused fire on the spirit while your movement is slowed and you're taking damage from other demons. It's not a huge problem once you're experienced enough, but it's poor balancing.
It's actually extremely good game design, because throughout the game the Marauders organically teach the player how to fight the final boss, without the need for immersion breaking tutorials.
>It's actually extremely good game design
In a cosmic comedy kind of way, I suppose you're right but your bait doesn't actually hold any ground for further shitpost
No one said he was hard, moron. He's a bad boss because he is very underwhelming and easy especially for the fricking final boss of a game that actually is otherwise pretty hard.
>Literally just shoot when green.
that's exactly why it's a bad boss
and seraphim is literally shoot it then blood punch it until it dies, DLC1 boss is shoot 2 enemies then use microwave and he's better than both. your argument here is that he's a bad boss doesn't make sense, every boss is arguably bad that stops the flow of the game besides maybe the cube boss.
The Seraphim fight was better because it expected you to do something different for each phase. All of Eternal's bosses were like that. They either changed up their attacks or changed the arena with each phase. The Dark Lord was literally just a big Marauder who sometimes summoned some red ghost monsters that died with a single hammer use. He gained no new attacks as the fight progressed, and you didn't damage him in any different ways.
>The Seraphim fight was better because it expected you to do something different for each phase
and each phase is tedious bullshit. the one where you tackle some cacos while platforming is the most tedious thing in the entire game. and then you get to fight possessed demons and not the boss itself. not defending the dark lord, both fights suck. there's no good boss in the dlcs.
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Anonymous
>and each phase is tedious bullshit
That's like, your opinion, man.
Probably spent 9 months on the cool design and then pissed together a fight with leftover maurader coding.
Realisitically this fight has >Sword swings >Gun shot >Mob spawns (ultimate sign of a lazy fight)
and thats it
I liked Doom Eternal's main campaign a lot, but the story and lore was over the top. In the DLCs the story and lore goes full moron mode, what were they thinking?
You know, after playing TAG 1 my takeaway was that the idea behind this was "only someone strong enough to conquer the demons could lead them, and the only such entity is you, so by some weird twist of fate and natural selection, the demon ruler is literally a doppelganger of you." I thought that was pretty cute. You cannot imagine my disappointment when TAG2 came out.
>chainsaws for magic ammo >shoots epic Arachnotron™ weakpoint after lining up shot for 5 seconds while dashing side to side because pro Quake™ skills >moronic door opening cutscene plays >"Mhmm....rip and tear.. looks like the Hell Priest™ is nearby.. I will rip and tear because I am the ancient Doom Slaya™ >"Come on, Vega™" >follows Skyrim™ compass >Picks up 10 epic fanfiction-tier lore dumps about how badass the Slaya™ is on the way >Door locks behind the Slaya™ and demons appear >cacophony of moronic monster noises while the fart synth kicks into action >chainsaws for magic ammo >"Rip and tear" WUBWUBWUBBWAMBWAMDUUUUUNUUUUNUUHHHNHUHHH *Uses Flame Belch™ on a deliberately spawned group of Possessed™ and they become Staggered™, does a badass Heat Blast™ and Armor Shards™ fly into the Slaya™'s face* >chainsaws for magic ammo >switches weapons 75 times >dashes aimlessly waiting for a Possessed™ to spawn >chainsaws for magic ammo >swings on monkey bars >performs impse >250 arena laps and 150 chainsaw uses later the Slaya™ is victorious >Mhmm.. The Hell Priest™ is not here.. Better tell Samuel Hayden™ about this >"Come on, Vega™" >Walks two meters and Alien Queen™ appears in an epic cutscene >"You will not defeat me, Slaya™, I am the Emperor of the Universe and you are nothing but a Usurper™, the Kar En Kuk™ Council of Elder Alien Space Sentinel Argent D' Nur™ has banished you from the alien kingdom and I will defeat you!" >Cut to black and level ends before epic boss fight so player can process how epic this is and maybe make a Reddit™ post about it before carrying on >DUNDUNDUNBWAMBWAMBWAM Mick Gordon farting BAM BAM BAM 50 ACTION POINTS 5 CRUCIBLE CREDIT SENTINEL SHIP ARGENT RECEIVED
Yeah, Eternal was such a letdown. Its like they took everything about 2016 and decided to screw up everything it did right. >oh, back to basics huh? Nah, lets just insert 80 different mini mechanics into the formula to annoy the player >light on the lore and straight to the point? no, I think we'll need more complicated backstories. Doom Slayer-sama need to be someone of renown. Let's make up a whole universe to explain him >players enjoyed just shooting monsters? Hmm, that's not going to work a second time, let's add some more pointless platforming sections
I thought it was an "okay" game, but I have zero desire to replay.
>>oh, back to basics huh? Nah, lets just insert 80 different mini mechanics into the formula to annoy the player
I don't think there are too many mechanics, the "combat-loop" is fairly straightforward and adds structure to the gameplay. Chainsaw for ammo, glorykill for health, flamebelch for armor. In 2016, you could breeze through the game by just spamming the RL and other power weapons while never having to worry much about ammo. Additionally, the demons were less "advanced" than in Eternal which made them less of a t.hreat. The Marauder is a great example. >light on the lore and straight to the point? no, I think we'll need more complicated backstories. Doom Slayer-sama need to be someone of renown. Let's make up a whole universe to explain him
The lore and story is entirely skippable and optional. You can skip cutscenes and read the Codex entries if you really want to learn the new lore. >players enjoyed just shooting monsters? Hmm, that's not going to work a second time, let's add some more pointless platforming sections
2016 had platforming sections as well. Eternal just made the platforming slightly more difficult and this filters people. The platforming is a very minor aspect of the game too lol
>adds structure to the gameplay.
Limits how you can play the game >In 2016, you could breeze through the game by just spamming the RL and other power weapons
Why is that a problem, you can impose restrictions on yourself if you want a "challenge".
>Limits how you can play the game
That's how games work. Eternal restricts your ability in this regard, but opens up other ways to play the game with the new mechanics like blood punch, dash/double-jump, etc. >Why is that a problem, you can impose restrictions on yourself if you want a "challenge".
How is it an engaging FPS game if you can just breeze through the game without a fun challenge? That's the definition of a game. You're basically saying you, the player, should make the game fun to play as a "game".
Your "arguments" make no sense, I say you can impose restrictions yourself and you ignore it. I say it limits what you can do, you say "that's how games work, they limit you and open new ways to play"? It can't do both at once. This is just further proof to me that eternal fans are delusional.
I want to slap the guy that decided to make a serious lore dump story for goddamn doom. There was always a story but it wasn't like this. It was not only a slap in the face but it was awful. Just let me kill demons stop talking to me. Hopefully the next one has none of this shit.
2016 was good but then they got too overconfident with their lore and gameplay design and ruined it with eternal. The fact we havent heard about a sequel yet tells you all you need to know.
>The fact we havent heard about a sequel yet tells you all you need to know.
We haven't heard about a sequel because apparently the devs are tired and are wanting to move onto different projects.
Some people are speculating that Quake might be next.
Just wait for the one Eternal schizo to post his bait tier list and start badmouthing every FPS on the planet, then discussion will get spicy.
Wtf is that guys problem with older FPS games? Is he just garbage at them?
>Some people are speculating that Quake might be next.
Can't wait for the 2deep4u quake cinematic universe tier lore theyre gonna invent and shove in our faces
Singlehandedly ruined Doomguy as a character with this shit. He's cool because he's just some guy that managed to beat the odds and kill Hell, not because he was le chosen one made in god's image.
>because he was le chosen one made in god's image.
wasn't it the other way around? The big bad took an appearance of Doomguy because of how cool an awesome he was?
>You vill vatch zhe same chainsaw glory kill every three kills >You vill starve for zhe ammo >You vill not enjoy ze shooting, you vill use our melee that ve force upon you >You VILL like zhe focus on epic glory kills >You VILL enjoy zhe shooting game turned into zhe chainsaw game >And you VILL not complain, verstanten?!!?!?!?!
Embarrassing that nu-Doom makes Doom 3 come across as a fast-paced, highly enjoyable shooter.
I can't be the only one who thinks Doom Eternal was trying too hard to be like 40k?
Like you can't fricking tell me that the Night Sentinels aren't just ripoff Grey Knights.
>dusk does a boss in which the player character must fight an enemy who can move as fast as you >you cant run away >postal brain damaged does this >AAA studio >boring boss fight that can be finished within the first 30 seconds.
Eternal drops hard after marauder to the point i wish they had just made the marauder a harder fight and said thats it.
That's the game's literal only fault and that was only because N64 Carts have no space.
Nobody denies Doom 1 is leagues better than Doom 2 despite Doom 2 having more weapons and monsters.
Doom 2 level design overall is a big downgrade from 1 and the Icon of Sin is a dogshit final boss.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>the Icon of Sin is a dogshit final boss.
So is the Mastermind.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The only good levels in the original Doom games are in Episode 1. Episodes 2 and 3 are just as bad as Doom 2
Doom 2 is better purely because of the new enemies / SSG
I could excuse a lot of the sillier parts of the plot in Eternal but how the frick was there an entire super advanced hell city that nobody knew about, ever?
THEIR WOOORLD
WHERE COMPROMISE DOES NOT EXIST
wasted fricking potential of a villain not making him a final boss that behaves and moves like the player. Imagine if the second dlc ended up with a really good Quake-bot style boss and arena instead of this fricking goober on a mech suit. Fricking hugo martin
I love Eternal but yeah they really dropped the ball on the DLCs. Honestly feels like a completely different studio worked on the DLCs.
DLC1 was king
it's shit, and I love DE. there's no balance whatsoever, it's sweaty bullshit from start to finish, you get exhausted before the first mission is over. they were right to "nerf" it, and it wasn't even a real nerf, they just removed like 3 enemies from the first mission for the sake of pacing, but no the youtube sweatlords don't like the state of not sweating. possessed enemies is a neat idea implemented poorly. they really didn't need to quadruple the hp of a buffed enemy, and they really didn't need to make it the main mechanic of the final boss.
TAG 2 got it right.
turn down the difficulty then? the game should have been harder, only last map in base campaign of DE is fun once you play the game once and stop getting filtered
base game and tag2 are fun on nightmare, tag1 isn't. they went a little overboard with enemy placement and density.
tag1 is where D:E peaked
im unironically sad i didnt get to play it pre nerf
they reverted the nerf. even buffed tag2
>Take all the cues from character action you can except for the one that matters most
Agreed. Doom Eternal remains my favorite shooter. Naturally
Narrowly beats Ultrakill due to level design and polish. But the final boss completely shit the bed lol. No desire to play that again.
Story is also digshit in general but who cares.
The final boss fight in general is one of the most hilariously underbaked things in this entire franchise, and Mighty Doom exists. DLC 2 dropped the ball across the board from giving to the hammer that's more overpowered and spammable than a bullet hell bomb mechanic, to having "big" fights that were very awkwardly designed to be always contained versus the super turbo dickey puncher 3 that was the first DLC, to really bland new encounters like spinning sanic imps or 1HP hell trooper goombas.
But I mean, when you fight the Dark Lord himself who turns out to be the capital G in God who made the Doomguy in his fricking image, I expect a hell of a lot more than a timed dodge slap fight and some ghost summoning.
missed potential not making the fight like when you fight yourself in ultrakill, a lot of missed potential in general. could have made it so when you go to glory kill him he interrupts you and does a reversal instead or shoots at his own demons to gain back some life
Honestly Ultrakill almost feels like a response to how underbaked Doom Eternal was in some ways.
Yeah, if you ignore how time works it could seem like that
Honestly Ultrakill almost feels like a response to how underbaked Doom Eternal was in some ways.
>how time works
>March 2020 vs. September 2020, plus early access game so some of its more memorable shit was added down the line
>spam one move
>win
Shit like this is why fps games have such a bad rep.
Just like every sports in existence.
ESLkun has never gone outside? Shocker.
Ultrakill's mirror match was how this should have gone. The V2 fight is amazing and it blows my mind the devs didn't think to take notes from it.
wait what is this
no do not tell me this is doom eternal?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I quit like 9 hours into the game and I'm glad I did
>I don't know anything but I'll comment on it
thank you moron
>wait what is this
after stopping one part of the hell invasion, Ruindude and others look to find the seraphim that helped him in the past for some new solution. turns out samuel hayden was the seraphim the entire time separated from his body, pretending to be human. then they go to restore god, only for Killman to decide he's gonna free the anti-god for a permanent solution to hell, and fricks over god from ever manifesting in the universe again. sammyphammy gets extra asshurt and tries to stop Endmale and gets his ass beat for it. anti-god gets freed, turns out oops he's the original god after all and the god we thought we fricked over usurped his position as the anti-god created and then got bound to hell for some solution to immortality for his people. the original god just happened to make Slaughterpal in his image as part of some moronic long term plan of vengeance against his betrayers.
then Guydoom kills anti-god and falls into a coma because he also just killed the source of power that sammy shot into his veins and thus gets sealed away for whenever Id shits another pile of turds out their ass in a riverstream of moronation.
This was so fricking dumb, a living shade would've been preferable
>you don't get to pilot the giant robots
The bluest of balls
The demon knight 40k mech suit is cool and all but you know what would have been cooler
Was actually a good boss fight
He's literally you
The fact he fricking bunny hops is hilarious
How would (you) fix the plot of Doom Eternal?
remove it
remove the 'forced epic' segments and just make a straightforward followup to 2016 with a bigger scope
I liked the plots of both Doom 2016 and Eternal. The expanded lore of Eternal is kinda cool, and I think id did an ok job trying to create a "universe" or full lore of Doom. I haven't read all the lore, and probably never will, but it gives some depth to the game. Regardless, the story and plot are completely optional: it's all told through skippable cutscenes and the optional Codex pages
>how do you fix the plot of this
>give criticisms
>ermm well if you don't like those parts you can just skip them
I didn't mean to say the criticisms aren't legitimate. I was just giving my take on the new Doom "universe" in Eternal. I'm mostly indifferent to it, but I can agree with criticism like how the ending of TAG2 was too "Marvel-like".
Eternal doesn't make a lick fo sense without the context of its plot though
>Why are you in a huge space fortress? Plot.
>Why are you chasing these hell priest dudes? Plot.
>Why are you going to this new locale of the Sentinel homeworld? Plot.
>Why are you meeting up with God of War's voice actor? Plot.
>Why are you taking time out of your schedule to go destroy the super gore nest? Plot.
>Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden and why is he suddenly a good guy? Plot.
Etc. etc.
You can say that the cutscenes are skippable because you've already seen them, but without them the progression of levels and events are completely disjointed and arbitrary. Eternal cares about its story, and it WANTS you to care too.
In 2016 you can reasonably make the argument that even ignoring the details of the story, the plot can still be summarized as
>Slayer wakes up
>is pissed
>kills every demon in his way until he finds the biggest demon he can and kicks it in the mouth
And the game rolls forward with that momentum alone. Not so for Eternal.
>You can say that the cutscenes are skippable because you've already seen them, but without them the progression of levels and events are completely disjointed and arbitrary.
So?
Cutscenes are skippable, true. You could also have a nice day. Both can be true, but neither would be smart actions to take
>i don't like [thing]
>so i will subject myself to it instead of skipping it
Storygays probably should eat a bullet.
>Why did you wake up?
>Why are you going to that argent tower?
>Why are you going to Vega?
>Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden?
>etc
Meanwhile, Eternal can be summarized as:
>Slayer arrives in fortress
>is pissed
>kills every demon in the world and everyone else that gets in his way
>finds the largest demon and stabs it in the head
>Why did you wake up?
Because you were sleeping
>>Why are you going to that argent tower?
Some dude on the radio said it was good idea
>>Why are you going to Vega?
>Some dude on the radio said it was good idea
>>Why are you going to meet Samuel Hayden?
He's the dude on the radio
>Slayer arrives in fortress
How? He was stuck on Mars last we saw him
>kills every demon in the world and everyone else that gets in his way
But he's targeting specific demons though
should have just done a continuation of 2016, I'm find with them hinting that Doom Slayerman is a part of a bigger thing, but when they started doing like fricking fantasy gods and shit clashing in this weird GOW thing I was tuned out. He should have no affiliation,pretty cool guy, isn't afraid of anything, kills aleins and demons doesn't give a shit about being a knight or wahtever
Doom slayer was a nuke of indifference that only wanted demons dead, like hell he'd bow to someone and serve a secret order or some gay shit
Return to "man literally too angry to die" instead of all this archangel bullshit.
>have the Doom Slayer just be his own character, of Sentinel origin
>discard all the DLC shit with Satan
>Samuel Hayden is a secondary villain
Not do the homosexual le epic slayer fantasy and just go back to having background plot that Doomguy just waltzes through
Eternal ruined him, ruined Hayden, ruined the cool space crusaders duded and ruined the vibe
include the vital subplot where he marries me 🙂
>keep the tone of 2016
>Samuel Hayden as the main antagonist
>remove the makyrs from the story entirely
>Doomguy is the betrayer, not the doomguy from the classic games
>Marauder is a rival character rather than a recurring enemy
>the seraphim is D'Sparil from Heretic
Having a rival in Doom is a stupid idea. It doesn't work when they try to play up how brutal Doomguy is. He wouldn't leave an enemy alive long enough for them to get away.
You've never been immune to damage and death in Doom, acting like he's a God further ruins his lore. This is also an easy problem to solve. Simply make it a demon of trickery that just poofs into a tree log when he 'dies' like a ninja.
>Doomguy IS the Doomguy from the classic games, it always made sense after the ending of Doom 64.
>The Seraphim is the player and the divinity machine is whatever you're playing the game on.
Everything else I agree with.
Less tech fantasy more brutal horror
the research logs have a much more clinical approach to doomguy and find out that he's not technically that special, in their attempts to copy him they discover that argent really likes it when people go on killstreaks and are as brutal as possible so it buffs and heals them
and he's been at it for quite a while
Drop the marvel shit, the whole Night Sentinel thing, the Betrayer, The Dark Lord, keep it simple and straightforward, humanity decided to use the red energy, demons invaded earth and you now must kill them, simple and effective.
If you want some kind of plot, make a DLC from the perspective of the soldiers, scientists and civilians.
I'd keep Eternal's premise but have it focus more on ARC and earth because it was fun seeing him interact with soldiers and scientists. I also wouldn't have done the "Samuel is the Seraphim" bullshit.
Keep this fricker as the villain. Such a goddamn letdown.
Doomguy really didn't need expanding on
For starters, the ruler of hell is the actual big red guy Satan with a flaming fork and he has a bunch of forms besides that
fricking this. why does no one play this trope straight?
Cuphead kinda did that, except he's black instead of red
>remove (You)r lore
>remove sentinel lore
>(You) are just some unreasonable killing machine neither human nor demon can neither comprehend nor count on
Make the level itself the boss and you have to shoot through walls and shit to get to its heart and blow it the frick up. The esoteric overlord of hell shouldn't be a basic ass bipedal thing, it should be grander or more fricked up like the original Icon of Sin.
Anon thats just the Earthmover from ultrakill
that's just quake 1.5 mod
Make a Lemmy skin
make heaven and the makyrs more biblically accurate, have The Father as a completely separate character from Vega and don't have Satan as the actual creator of the universe, that would be a start
It doesn't need fixing except the ending of part 2.
>How would (you) fix the plot of Doom Eternal?
Continue the plot of the cliffhanger ending of the prior game instead of doing a bizarre in media res years later where the player has no idea what the frick is going on.
Time skips are cancer
Simplify things, make doom slayer different that doom guy.
>make doom slayer different that doom guy
for what purpose? And how is that "simplifying things"?
Remove plot more shoot demon instead
A Doom plot should be simple like 3s.
Could have just made Hayden the big bad. But unlike bertruger is not possessed or evil for evils sake but arrogant in a humanity frick yeah type of way in that he thinks Hell is just a new land for resource harvesting and colonizing. Not realizing they're over their heads.
Doom guy is at his best when he's just the Demon Janny having to clean up the mess humanity makes with demons.
Remove all capeshit.
Replace with biblekino
>Replace with biblekino and 80's heavy metal album covers
Fify
>and 80's heavy metal album covers
have you not been picking up the collectables? the album covers are sick.
Yeah, I have. I done tons of 100 present runs. The games secrets are so fricking easy to find I can 100% the game just by muscle memory.
But I'm talking about have the entire game look like a slayer/megadeath album cover.
there is a tornado of souls in one of the hell levels if that counts
>But I'm talking about have the entire game look like a slayer/megadeath album cover.
I think the game does that pretty often. too many moments to mention but specifically the introduction of the doom hunter is metal as frick. some judas priest/motorhead/megadeth shit right there.
What made Doom 2016 work was Doomguy's complete disregard of the overarching plot, whenever the game tried to explain something, doomguy would either stop the conversation or do something destructive to move forward
but they break that flow eventually where you absolutely have to have a long pause, talking with Samuel Hayden in his office, they're trying to explain things too much, instead of having doomguy just do what he wants.
why do you fricking homosexuals care about the plot of a demon killing FPS
Remove the Maykr, angel, heaven and all other stuff. Demons are demons from Hell, nothing more to it. Also, remove the space knights and other shit. It's just Doomslayer fighting Hell on Earth. Hayden is also just a rich guy who thinks he is smarter than he is.
I'd go with this.
2016 made it cool by just alluding to background stuff and setting up the player as being this vengeful rage fueled invincible turbo autist. That was all it ever needed. And the main plot was your generic demonic invasion, nothing too complicated.
Going in to detail on how everything transpired was a tremendous mistake. Having the main plot also involve stupid aliens and space knights instead of just "demons are invading again, time to put them back in their place" was the second mistake.
We did NOT need to know how the Slayer got his fricking powers, who he was, where he came from, let alone all that other shit, Did everyone at the studio forget why they made 2016 in the first place and why the campaign was liked, or did all the writers quit since?
>2016 sets up that Samuel is gonna keep Slayer on a leash to sick on the next catastrophe
>Eternal just fricking has Slayer in some teleporting space keep with Earth already having been mostly overrun and every plot-relevant thing but fighting the tide back happened off-screen between games
Fricking have Samuel drop the Slayer in pretty much at the start of the invasion or shortly after and then you can still have Sammy get fricked up off-screen because the Slayer can't be everywhere at the same time. Having the whole game just suddenly revolve around killing three priests with no build-up besides some logs and having zero context to what's going on, combined with shit like having the Mars space station level intro from E3 complete with Plasma Rifle when you got the fricking gun in the second level of the campaign already, tells me there was some MAJOR late-dev rewrites that the lore guy tried to awkwardly pave over a pothole with.
I would've leaned away from the Night Sentinel space operas shit and more into this kinda thing:
>Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment.
By making the story be about how Doom Slayer is trapped in Hell after 2016 and now has to fight his way back out to Earth. Game ends with a final fight against Super Mecha Hayden aboard the space station thing to seal the hell portal, ends with the Doom Slayer overlooking an overrun planet. He wieners his shotgun, roll credits
I don't get it. Did Satan make Doomguy in his own image? Or is Doomguy of the Sharingan one of those alternate universe Doomguys from a random fan WAD they made canon?
Legit had to sit next to people irl claiming to me this was the most epic thing of all time
he should have been basically a demon version or at least a literal shadowman slayer version. This shit is just literally "i'm you but eveeell" which sucks. Dark Samus did it better
The lore implies the original Doomguy basically planewalked through Hell to an alternate dimension where Doom 2016 and Eternal took place. It would seem like an obvious opportunity to introduce a second alternative Doomguy native to the Bethesda dimension who ended up falling to the demons. Or a Doomgal even, just say every dimension has its own Doomguy.
My me its a wahammer 40k homosexual?
What if the ultimate final boss fight was...A BIG MARAUDER!
Did they run out of time? Fights not even that hard or interesting just run away, slap him with the hammer, repeat
They very obviously ran out of time somewhere, yes
See the lame gun-toting enemies you encounter in the last five minutes whose special thing is that they cant be glory-killed (which means they didn't have to come up with and animate that for them)
Oh my god i forgot about the paper mache soldiers, fricking hilarious
Those guys got patched later on to have more than 1 hit point, which makes them running out of time so much more obvious.
I think they were an underutilized enemy type. It would have been nice to have enemies that drop a tiny amount of ammo on death.
Or LITERAL RECOLOR ENEMIES
>Their special thing is...you have to use the shotgun on them
Amazing
Paint it blue and they re SANIC
>special attack will never hit you if you simply strafe, let alone dash or jump
BRAVO HUGO
>spectral enemies force you to use microwave, an add-on that nobody wants to use because it slows you down in a game where you can't slow down
>different colored impts that force you to use burst shotgun, an add-on that nobody wants to use because it wastes ammo in a game that doesn't let you waste ammo
Both of these DLC enemies were just a slap in everyone's faces. Instead of fixing what doesn't work, force people to engage with the shit that doesn't work.
The microwave beam was legitimately good already, but overlooked. Spirits were a great way to get people to actually use the thing. Stone Imps were better when you could just shield bash them to death.
>Spirits were a ____ way to FORCE people to actually use the thing.
Fixed. I use the Heat Blast 100% of the time there's no Spirit on the field. You have more than enough CC with Ice bombs and regular damage stagger.
If you want an example on how to organically get the player to use a firemode they otherwise wouldn't: See Carcasses and the Ballista's Destroyer Blade (even just a small charge completely destroys their projected shields and kills them behind it.)
It feels satisfying to do because it's among the BEST ways to deal with them, it's not satisfying when it's the ONLY way to deal with them. Especially when that way is to hang around, slowed, in a limited range, with your dick out, watching a bar fill.
Big Angels and Poison Prowlers were the only good DLC enemies.
Its not just the microwave. I don't know anyone 5hrs+ into the game that uses the micro rockets, the air detonation or the full auto combat shotgun
Honestly I get some use out of full auto shotgun, once it got buffed enough that good use of it can keep a good slaughterchain going with free refills. Air detonation is also good in select cases for stunning enemies briefly while you try to focus on other shit. But micro rockets, you may as well just be using something else unless you somehow exhausted most ammo options.
problem with the air detonation is obviously the delayed action, there is a massive opportunity cost to waiting even a second when you could already be shooting something with a new weapon, and the cluster bomb is too handy for dealing with swarming fodder when you wanna save rockets
theres a similar issue with the triple barrel chaingun, its just too nice to have an instant shield you can pull out during oh shit -moments and surf away from danger with your shield up, its why i genuinely wish there was a way to keybind all the mods individually because i like the triple barrel chaingun aesthetically
>forcing people to do something in a game is... le bad!
It is when you're forced to do something awful and unfun, like using the Microwave Beam. If the Microwave Beam was actually fun to use, no one would have complained.
It is fun to use, and is one of the best stunlocking tools you have access to. The Ice Bomb takes too long to recharge.
It's just like the Destroyer Blade. Nobody wanted to use it at launch because it made you slow, then people learned that you can bunny hop with it to preserve momentum. A lot of Eternal's weapons seem to have a way better secondary fire than the other at face value, but most of them still have a purpose. The auto shotgun and micro missiles are the only ones that aren't really worth using.
I don't think strongly encouraging the use of mechanics in a game is bad. However, being forced to use the Microwave Beam to kill spirits is a death sentence especially in DLC, horde mode, and higher level play.
The typical encounter is as follows: you have to quickly swap mods, ensure your crosshair is locked on the spirit and not a different demon, maintain focused fire on the spirit while your movement is slowed and you're taking damage from other demons. It's not a huge problem once you're experienced enough, but it's poor balancing.
they're literally just Doom 2016 MP armor skins with AI
>Did they run out of time?
Probably that and corona throwing a wrench in the works.
It's actually extremely good game design, because throughout the game the Marauders organically teach the player how to fight the final boss, without the need for immersion breaking tutorials.
>immersion breaking tutorials.
I almost bit the bait, you almost had me you cheeky son of a b***h
>It's actually extremely good game design
In a cosmic comedy kind of way, I suppose you're right but your bait doesn't actually hold any ground for further shitpost
>without the need for immersion breaking tutorials.
lmao
I can't fathom how people think he's a bad boss, are people just that shit? Literally just shoot when green.
No one said he was hard, moron. He's a bad boss because he is very underwhelming and easy especially for the fricking final boss of a game that actually is otherwise pretty hard.
>Literally just shoot when green.
that's exactly why it's a bad boss
It was a shitty boss because it was just 5 phases of the same exact enemy. They didn't even try to vary up the phases like they did with the Seraphim.
and seraphim is literally shoot it then blood punch it until it dies, DLC1 boss is shoot 2 enemies then use microwave and he's better than both. your argument here is that he's a bad boss doesn't make sense, every boss is arguably bad that stops the flow of the game besides maybe the cube boss.
fps is general have shit bosses, doesn't change the fact that the last boss of DLC 2 is pretty bad an uninspired.
The Seraphim fight was better because it expected you to do something different for each phase. All of Eternal's bosses were like that. They either changed up their attacks or changed the arena with each phase. The Dark Lord was literally just a big Marauder who sometimes summoned some red ghost monsters that died with a single hammer use. He gained no new attacks as the fight progressed, and you didn't damage him in any different ways.
>The Seraphim fight was better because it expected you to do something different for each phase
and each phase is tedious bullshit. the one where you tackle some cacos while platforming is the most tedious thing in the entire game. and then you get to fight possessed demons and not the boss itself. not defending the dark lord, both fights suck. there's no good boss in the dlcs.
>and each phase is tedious bullshit
That's like, your opinion, man.
Hugo said creating this boss fight took a year and I’m having a hard time believing that
Probably spent 9 months on the cool design and then pissed together a fight with leftover maurader coding.
Realisitically this fight has
>Sword swings
>Gun shot
>Mob spawns (ultimate sign of a lazy fight)
and thats it
>the cool design
The design would've been better if Satan was a red biomechanical goat demon
That would be too cool, the world is not ready
I'm him
I've been him
I will continue to be him
Its amazing how unimaginative they got with this guy
I liked Doom Eternal's main campaign a lot, but the story and lore was over the top. In the DLCs the story and lore goes full moron mode, what were they thinking?
If demons always had their own doomguy, why didn't they send him out to fight humanity's doomguy when he started slaughtering them?
Because his soul was locked up in an orb where they couldn't get it
Oh ok that makes sense
thought this was a superman thread for a good 30 seconds
You know, after playing TAG 1 my takeaway was that the idea behind this was "only someone strong enough to conquer the demons could lead them, and the only such entity is you, so by some weird twist of fate and natural selection, the demon ruler is literally a doppelganger of you." I thought that was pretty cute. You cannot imagine my disappointment when TAG2 came out.
>chainsaws for magic ammo
>shoots epic Arachnotron™ weakpoint after lining up shot for 5 seconds while dashing side to side because pro Quake™ skills
>moronic door opening cutscene plays
>"Mhmm....rip and tear.. looks like the Hell Priest™ is nearby.. I will rip and tear because I am the ancient Doom Slaya™
>"Come on, Vega™"
>follows Skyrim™ compass
>Picks up 10 epic fanfiction-tier lore dumps about how badass the Slaya™ is on the way
>Door locks behind the Slaya™ and demons appear
>cacophony of moronic monster noises while the fart synth kicks into action
>chainsaws for magic ammo
>"Rip and tear" WUBWUBWUBBWAMBWAMDUUUUUNUUUUNUUHHHNHUHHH *Uses Flame Belch™ on a deliberately spawned group of Possessed™ and they become Staggered™, does a badass Heat Blast™ and Armor Shards™ fly into the Slaya™'s face*
>chainsaws for magic ammo
>switches weapons 75 times
>dashes aimlessly waiting for a Possessed™ to spawn
>chainsaws for magic ammo
>swings on monkey bars
>performs impse
>250 arena laps and 150 chainsaw uses later the Slaya™ is victorious
>Mhmm.. The Hell Priest™ is not here.. Better tell Samuel Hayden™ about this
>"Come on, Vega™"
>Walks two meters and Alien Queen™ appears in an epic cutscene
>"You will not defeat me, Slaya™, I am the Emperor of the Universe and you are nothing but a Usurper™, the Kar En Kuk™ Council of Elder Alien Space Sentinel Argent D' Nur™ has banished you from the alien kingdom and I will defeat you!"
>Cut to black and level ends before epic boss fight so player can process how epic this is and maybe make a Reddit™ post about it before carrying on
>DUNDUNDUNBWAMBWAMBWAM Mick Gordon farting BAM BAM BAM 50 ACTION POINTS 5 CRUCIBLE CREDIT SENTINEL SHIP ARGENT RECEIVED
Yeah, Eternal was such a letdown. Its like they took everything about 2016 and decided to screw up everything it did right.
>oh, back to basics huh? Nah, lets just insert 80 different mini mechanics into the formula to annoy the player
>light on the lore and straight to the point? no, I think we'll need more complicated backstories. Doom Slayer-sama need to be someone of renown. Let's make up a whole universe to explain him
>players enjoyed just shooting monsters? Hmm, that's not going to work a second time, let's add some more pointless platforming sections
I thought it was an "okay" game, but I have zero desire to replay.
>>oh, back to basics huh? Nah, lets just insert 80 different mini mechanics into the formula to annoy the player
I don't think there are too many mechanics, the "combat-loop" is fairly straightforward and adds structure to the gameplay. Chainsaw for ammo, glorykill for health, flamebelch for armor. In 2016, you could breeze through the game by just spamming the RL and other power weapons while never having to worry much about ammo. Additionally, the demons were less "advanced" than in Eternal which made them less of a t.hreat. The Marauder is a great example.
>light on the lore and straight to the point? no, I think we'll need more complicated backstories. Doom Slayer-sama need to be someone of renown. Let's make up a whole universe to explain him
The lore and story is entirely skippable and optional. You can skip cutscenes and read the Codex entries if you really want to learn the new lore.
>players enjoyed just shooting monsters? Hmm, that's not going to work a second time, let's add some more pointless platforming sections
2016 had platforming sections as well. Eternal just made the platforming slightly more difficult and this filters people. The platforming is a very minor aspect of the game too lol
>adds structure to the gameplay.
Limits how you can play the game
>In 2016, you could breeze through the game by just spamming the RL and other power weapons
Why is that a problem, you can impose restrictions on yourself if you want a "challenge".
>Limits how you can play the game
That's how games work. Eternal restricts your ability in this regard, but opens up other ways to play the game with the new mechanics like blood punch, dash/double-jump, etc.
>Why is that a problem, you can impose restrictions on yourself if you want a "challenge".
How is it an engaging FPS game if you can just breeze through the game without a fun challenge? That's the definition of a game. You're basically saying you, the player, should make the game fun to play as a "game".
Your "arguments" make no sense, I say you can impose restrictions yourself and you ignore it. I say it limits what you can do, you say "that's how games work, they limit you and open new ways to play"? It can't do both at once. This is just further proof to me that eternal fans are delusional.
Gets me everytime.
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/708638370811854848/deconstructing-the-dark-lord
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/721951701685387264/the-new-loredirection-is-more-likely-to-be-made
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/717340895918292992/doom-eternal-art-styleaesthetic-stuff
https://doom-nerdo-666.tumblr.com/post/707372396404998144/hypotheticals-if-doom-was-always-a-story-focused
>weapon reload combo
>Doom 3 became one of the first games used to showcase the Oculus Rift prototypes
>Only official VR release it got was for PSVR
lame
God I can’t believe they shat the bed so hard with doom 5’s story after how good it was in doom 4
Fun game though
The story sucked in 2016, and was inherently worse because you couldn't skip it.
Doom Eternal 2 story was kino and I'm pretending it wasn't.
Only zoomers who hate campkino disagree.
I want to slap the guy that decided to make a serious lore dump story for goddamn doom. There was always a story but it wasn't like this. It was not only a slap in the face but it was awful. Just let me kill demons stop talking to me. Hopefully the next one has none of this shit.
I love how these threads dry up when people make good arguments for why eternal sucked that the shills have no response to.
Just wait for the one Eternal schizo to post his bait tier list and start badmouthing every FPS on the planet, then discussion will get spicy.
2016 was good but then they got too overconfident with their lore and gameplay design and ruined it with eternal. The fact we havent heard about a sequel yet tells you all you need to know.
>The fact we havent heard about a sequel yet tells you all you need to know.
We haven't heard about a sequel because apparently the devs are tired and are wanting to move onto different projects.
Some people are speculating that Quake might be next.
Wtf is that guys problem with older FPS games? Is he just garbage at them?
>Some people are speculating that Quake might be next.
Can't wait for the 2deep4u quake cinematic universe tier lore theyre gonna invent and shove in our faces
No, you're thinking too small, anon. Clearly this is all part of ID's decade long plan to create the ID cinematic universe.
Are they gonna get Peter Stormer back as Strouse?
Singlehandedly ruined Doomguy as a character with this shit. He's cool because he's just some guy that managed to beat the odds and kill Hell, not because he was le chosen one made in god's image.
>because he was le chosen one made in god's image.
wasn't it the other way around? The big bad took an appearance of Doomguy because of how cool an awesome he was?
It was one or the other, doesn't help that the story kept contradicting itself just so it could have more epic last second twists
>You vill vatch zhe same chainsaw glory kill every three kills
>You vill starve for zhe ammo
>You vill not enjoy ze shooting, you vill use our melee that ve force upon you
>You VILL like zhe focus on epic glory kills
>You VILL enjoy zhe shooting game turned into zhe chainsaw game
>And you VILL not complain, verstanten?!!?!?!?!
Embarrassing that nu-Doom makes Doom 3 come across as a fast-paced, highly enjoyable shooter.
I clapped
IT'S JUST LIKE MY MARVEL MOVIES! HECKIN KINORINOOOOOO!
I can't believe marvel invented climactic battles that feature troop invasions
Same. I just looooove the hecking kinorino cinematic masterpiece Marvel gave us!
are you ESL?
Are you a newbie?
I can't be the only one who thinks Doom Eternal was trying too hard to be like 40k?
Like you can't fricking tell me that the Night Sentinels aren't just ripoff Grey Knights.
it just felt like generic marvel shit. 40k would have way greater scale and bleakness.
Eternal isn't a doom game
unironic kino reveal
>dusk does a boss in which the player character must fight an enemy who can move as fast as you
>you cant run away
>postal brain damaged does this
>AAA studio
>boring boss fight that can be finished within the first 30 seconds.
Eternal drops hard after marauder to the point i wish they had just made the marauder a harder fight and said thats it.
How to make a good Doom game:
-Doom 1 levels
-Doom 3 aesthetic
-Doom 2016 music
-Doom eternal mechanics
You're forgetting the best Doom
>best doom
>no revenants, archviles or chaingunners
I repeat, best doom
That's the game's literal only fault and that was only because N64 Carts have no space.
Nobody denies Doom 1 is leagues better than Doom 2 despite Doom 2 having more weapons and monsters.
Spamming barons and hell knights every level isn't a good compromise.
>Nobody denies Doom 1 is leagues better than Doom 2
It's not.
Doom 2 level design overall is a big downgrade from 1 and the Icon of Sin is a dogshit final boss.
>the Icon of Sin is a dogshit final boss.
So is the Mastermind.
The only good levels in the original Doom games are in Episode 1. Episodes 2 and 3 are just as bad as Doom 2
Doom 2 is better purely because of the new enemies / SSG
I know story doesn't matter in Doom but Eternal's is so unbelievably shitty and cringe that it still gets distracting even with skippable cutscenes
Eternal was a mistake
I could excuse a lot of the sillier parts of the plot in Eternal but how the frick was there an entire super advanced hell city that nobody knew about, ever?