You have to call in one of two dedicated strategems in order to shield yourself from projectiles. Why do you think they'd give that perk passively to armor? That would make those two strategems redundant.
Don't be a moron. If heavy armor made you immune to the smallest attacks people still wouldn't use it because of the massive stamina and runspeed penalty.
I dunno man, if heavy armor negated scav/raider damage and removed stagger from hunters/berserkers I'd probably wear it. There's been a lot of times I've died because a patrol spawned literally behind me in a fight and I get stunlocked long enough for the big boys to kill me
They can still make any rounds deflected do chip damage, its not like there isnt chainsaws and razor claws trying to gank you constantly. Even with that immunitie that ballistic shield also gives it only takes one rocket to send you to the spectator screen anyways.
Also anyone who says it wouldnt be cool to see a dozen bots small arms fire deflect off you as you mow them down is undemocratic
You moron. I could move slow as molasses after they give me the fricking CAR. I'll stand perfectly still while lasers and rockets deflect off my glorious chestplate and then when we're done killing everything we'll get into the multi-person vehicle and drive to our next objective.
Mate, heavy armor, just looking at the numbers, will be something like 5-10 times as effective as light. And we're taking more damage than even light armor should. Enemies have 100% armor penetration. Armor isn't bugged to be the lowest effectiveness. Its bugged to have zero effect at all.
Heavy armour in HD1 was incredibly tough, it made you effectively immune to attacks from chaff enemies even when getting attacked by like five bugs simultaneously. IIRC the mobility penalty was more severe than it is this time around however so I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't quite as tough, but still it shows that the devs believe that armour should actually make you a tough motherfricker.
There is a mission modifier for Enemy Orbital Strikes in the game files. Which faction will use this? Perhaps Illuminate will have space presence.
There are also rebels in the files, but I imagine they will just be around POI or secondary objective. Doubt they will have super destroyers in space
>play this game after hearing everybody sperging out over whether or not you play as the good guys or its fascism or fascism is good actually blah blah blah >the whole setting is literally just people saying the word "democracy" over and over again with practically no additional context
is this really the shit people are getting upset over now
Satire is really pushing the limits of the average modern person's literacy. Some even think that if you consume media centered on a certain character, you tacitly endorse the actions of the character. Meaning they won't touch media that has "bad characters" doing "bad things."
none of the >IT BRICKED MY PC
shit is true.
it may or may not be part of the reason they're having trouble solving the crashes but my guess is not and they're just incompetent we still have 0 armor a month after launch
Debate able, i have personal friends that its caused issues with their PC to act up.
Is the anticheat really that bad?
Its not that bad, but its not that good either.
The main concern that people have with it, is that its a pretty dated/antiquated anticheat that uses a shotgun method to do its job. The issue there is that in doing so it also shuts down legitimate programs for no reason.
This particular anti cheat is used only by old ass eastern MMO RPGs, and shitty gotcha games
There is a reason why companies that used this, moved off of it to something else.
No. It could be the cause of some game crashes, but only the devs know that for sure.
If you're running some obscure drivers or third party software that it doesn't recognize it could potentially flag them as potentially harmful and cause the game to not run. I haven't personally had any such issues.
The anticheat only runs when the game is running and is easy to uninstall.
Obviously, it IS kernel level so there is always an inherent risk involved of someone potentially exploiting it to gain access to your machine. If you have really sensitive work or financial shit on your gaming computer you might want to avoid it out of an abundance of caution.
All that said, the anti-cheat doesn't actually appear to be effective at stopping cheaters since cheating has already been documented.
is the Machine gun a shitter weapon? I really enjoy diving into mowing down hordes so I want to take it and the supply backpack. I tried recoiless and it feels underwhelming. i dont care about meta but I dont want to be useless.
there was a heavy machinegun that was removed mere hours after release so whenever that's added it should make you both more useful and hopefully actually deal with heavy units effectively
I've heard heavy machine gun rumors but havent seen any actual evidence of them
Currently machine guns are dog shit.
The stalwart should be a primary weapon, becuase thats what it is, a glorified primary weapon.
The LMG has to little ammo, and needing to stop and reload it kills its usefulness. If the LMG came with i would say 1 or 2 more magazines, and could be reloaded on teh fly, it would fill a role that the Autocanon does not already fill.
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Any info on that? Because i heard someone else mention it but never actually seen a picture or info on it.
are they really that bad? it feels like it does good work holding off the swarms advancing on the team
It's a horde clearing weapon. you can fire into a crowd and so long as there isn't a charger in there you'll reliably deal damage to anything since the MG has medium armor pen, so it can blast through hive guard armor.
Yes, they really are.
They will work fine in difficulties up to and including 6, though in 5 and 6 you are gonna struggle with them.
Beyond 6 the game just spawns so much medium armor that you spend most of your ammo just chewing through the armor.
The stalwart becomes useless in 7+ because there is to much medium armor, and the LMG has so little ammo and you burn through it so fast, that you have to take the ammo pack but you are going to be left with your pants down against things like chargers, Hive guards, and bile titans for bugs, and hulks and tanks for bots.
Im in the same boat as you, i want to just be able to spit lead. The best option for that is the auto canon.
Don't listen to the other moron anons, the MG is amazing for bugs. It chews through armor less than a charger's incredibly well, as well as providing huge swarm clear. Your only issues will be chargers and bile titans, but you have 3 other strategem slots for that. You could always take EATs in addition, if you arent confident with your airstrikes.
Currently machine guns are dog shit.
The stalwart should be a primary weapon, becuase thats what it is, a glorified primary weapon.
The LMG has to little ammo, and needing to stop and reload it kills its usefulness. If the LMG came with i would say 1 or 2 more magazines, and could be reloaded on teh fly, it would fill a role that the Autocanon does not already fill.
there was a heavy machinegun that was removed mere hours after release so whenever that's added it should make you both more useful and hopefully actually deal with heavy units effectively
Any info on that? Because i heard someone else mention it but never actually seen a picture or info on it.
It's a horde clearing weapon. you can fire into a crowd and so long as there isn't a charger in there you'll reliably deal damage to anything since the MG has medium armor pen, so it can blast through hive guard armor.
I've never had a good experience of the autocannon being all that great at clearing out a horde, but having different flavors of the same job also isn't necessarily a bad thing. Grenade launcher is also phenomenal at dealing with patrols and larger groups and can be used to clear outposts, but has its own drawbacks as well.
I've heard heavy machine gun rumors but havent seen any actual evidence of them
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are they really that bad? it feels like it does good work holding off the swarms advancing on the team
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thats what I crave. chewing through the legions.
The issue with a horde clear dedicated support weapon is that you'll now lack somemthing to deal with more armored enemies, and typically people see your primary and secondary as your chaff clearing options. There's not a lot a MGunner can do with a charger other than unload a whole magazine into it's backside. So if you want to use the machine gun, you'll want to be with some friends that have some more anti armor effective weaponry.
If you look at it like a scale of being a strictly horde clear, to strictly Medium armor it kinda go like
Stalwart>LMG>Grenade launcher>Auto canon
So the Grenade launcher is much better at horde clearing then the auto canon, but the auto canon can still do it well enough, plus with how much medium armor you fight in higher difficulties, that heavy hitting round is great for dealing with bugs.
Another negative with the autocannon is that it interacts more with the phsyics simulation, while the grenade launcher mostly just needs to get past the arming distance.
fortunately im playing with friends so having other weapons is covered but I am concerned about what
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said as we should be reaching the higher difficulties next time we play tonight.
The main issue with the Stalwart is that it just has light armor pen, so it's just a larger liberator really. The Machine Gun has medium penetration so it's going to be able to damage anything short of heavier armor. With bugs that means chargers. for bots Devistators have armor that needs more than medium penetration to deal with, but you'll be shitting out enough bullets that you should be cutting them in half or taking off limbs easy enough.
The Big problem is that they are horde clear weapons, and in higher difficulties your hordes will have armor in them and that will deflect your rounds not letting you damage everything. It's a balancing act of how much anti armor and horde clear you need. Since you play with a group your communication and team play can really make things easier for you, but you'll probably still find yourself not being able to help as much as you'd like. As another anon said, bringing the EAT stratagem will be a benefit for you, as you can keep your machine gun for most patrols, and drop your EAT when you need to help out with Anti Armor duties.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not sure what you mean with the physics, i have no issues with shooting and getting it to do its thing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA
But the autocannon bounces shots against heavy armor basically all the time. So even if you hit, the rounds don't explode, doing chip damage. The GL will explode on impact, to at least chip at the target.
Thats why its so frustrating to use against Chargers. You have to sort of weave shots into its limbs where the ricochet will hit something else and explode.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The autocannon rounds can deflect off of armor is all. For example shooting at a charger's armor, which is very angled from the front, will just have your rounds deflecting all over the place.
The grenade launchers grenades are impact grenades so they'll explode on contact once they travel a certain distance.
Bots armor is generally very flat, though if you skim the sides of their chests you'll deflect off of them.
fortunately im playing with friends so having other weapons is covered but I am concerned about what
Yes, they really are.
They will work fine in difficulties up to and including 6, though in 5 and 6 you are gonna struggle with them.
Beyond 6 the game just spawns so much medium armor that you spend most of your ammo just chewing through the armor.
The stalwart becomes useless in 7+ because there is to much medium armor, and the LMG has so little ammo and you burn through it so fast, that you have to take the ammo pack but you are going to be left with your pants down against things like chargers, Hive guards, and bile titans for bugs, and hulks and tanks for bots.
Im in the same boat as you, i want to just be able to spit lead. The best option for that is the auto canon.
said as we should be reaching the higher difficulties next time we play tonight.
it's okay we'll get another balance patch in two months to fix the dogshit weapons after the CEO makes fifty more memes on twitter about people being metagays!
and those patches by then will still include
Known Issues:
Armor values not working
some shit's already starting to wear thin on me because I really just want to be able to enjoy the game, but seeing the CEO's arrogance online and basic features like the fricking armour stat taking so long to get fixed is annoying me
>hosting so I can use whatever shit I think is fun >turned on crossplay to play with a coworker, forgot to turn it off >console Black person joins >mic always on >he dies >I reinforce him away from his body because his body is currently under 2 hulks, multiple tanks, and a forest of chainsaws >>BRO MY SHIT >he sprints over to it >dies immediately >starts yelling >reinforce him where he died >he dies because his body is in the middle of the enemy >>BRO WHY YOU REINFORCING ME IN THE OPEN IN FRONT OF ALL THE ENEMIES >kick him
Never going back to joining games. Being the host is always best
Typical fricking console experience >Mic always on or sensitivity is set so fricking low its tripped by everything >Can hear him breathing >Can hear him eating/drinking >Can hear his shitty music >Can hear his mother arguing wiht someone in the background >Can hear the Chirping on the smoke detector
Console players are literally the worst everyone is a hood rat sounding mother fricker.
Is there a full list of the console open-mic soundscape experience? I can think of a few more to add to your list. >rips from bong/vape >coughs directly into the mic for minutes afterwards >dogs (plural) barking >baby crying >kids screaming >non-english conversation or tv playing in background >talks to himself constantly >never responds to any of your attempts to communicate
>have MUH SUPER SECURE KERNEL LEVEL ANTI CHEAT >people can edit their game with hex editor and join mission no problem to call down unreleased stratagems
nice anti cheat
>autocanon sentry can break chargers armor >autocanon can't break charger leg armor so I can kill them with primary
I hope they rebalance some of this shit because having to run recoilless every mission until 20 and then railgun for every mission post 20 isn't very cool. Orbitals may as well not exist outside of the laser or railgun too, neither of which benefit from the ship modules save for the 10% CD one.
Meanwhile we're all married to Eagle pilot because she has all the good shit and all the modules actually help immensely.
>I hope they rebalance some of this shit because having to run recoilless every mission until 20 and then railgun for every mission post 20 isn't very cool.
Bro....take the EAT pill
Drops every 60 seconds, can one shot a charger if you shoot it in the leg. problem fricking solved.
problem with railgun is that everything else is fricking dogshit. Autocannon bounces of big bugs and you have to carry a backpack, recoilless assisted reload is bugged on PC, arc thrower is a fricking team killing machine
An anon did some testing and he hypothesized that getting low merely stops the tower from zapping you IF there are no other targets in range. If there ARE other targets in range of the tower it WILL ALSO zap you too when it fires, even if prone.
3 months ago
Anonymous
that's the weird thing, I was showing off the tesla tower to a friend who was new to the game so he could see them get decimated and then mentioned that going prone would keep you safe with a live demonstration while no enemies were around
the thing zapped my shield once and then gibbed me a second later, there were no enemies around either
3 months ago
Anonymous
Jannies killed the thread, OP. They didn't like your choice of helldiver poster. Instead of deleting the offending image they left it up and put the thread on kill cus they're fricking dumb.
An anon did some testing and he hypothesized that getting low merely stops the tower from zapping you IF there are no other targets in range. If there ARE other targets in range of the tower it WILL ALSO zap you too when it fires, even if prone.
that's the weird thing, I was showing off the tesla tower to a friend who was new to the game so he could see them get decimated and then mentioned that going prone would keep you safe with a live demonstration while no enemies were around
the thing zapped my shield once and then gibbed me a second later, there were no enemies around either
You can also get hit if you're right on top/next to an enemy.
The tesla is more of a anti-flank/"Frick everything in this area" type emplacement.
>arc thrower is a fricking team killing machine
For morons without a sense of positioning maybe.
It does too little damage to compete with those weapons anyway. Arc Thrower is fine as it is, it just doesn't deal with heavies well (it can, just slowly, too slowly to matter when there are 4 bile titans and 8 chargers)
You're right about the Autocannon. Bouncing against chargers especially is frustrating.
I had to swap to DX11 on my 7900XTX because it was making her run like a kenyan for reasons unknown and crashing the game. Deleted the DX12 cache too, now she runs everything perfectly.
It might have just been a fluke, but the one time my HMG got charged down I simply got off of it and the Charger harmlessly passed through it, so I killed it then just got back on.
Just don't let them hit you when you're still on it. Instant death.
Really though the HMG emplacement is fricking excellent, the only thing it CAN'T deal with is tanks (from the front) and Chargers (from the front), it will absolutely melt every other enemy type except Hulks, which it can kill super fast with headshots but is a bit tricky to do sometimes because of it's spread, and Bile Titans, which it can also kill but it takes a good bit of fire. HMGs are how my friends and I won Diff 9 civilian extracts when they first came out, have one person on dedicated MG duty mowing down entire hordes of chickens and devastators while everyone else shoots down ships when possible but otherwise just kills shit with their usual loadouts, (Two people actually had the HMG stratagem but only one would use it so the gunner could hop onto a fresh one when theirs ran out of ammo since you'd basically be holding M1 nonstop)
>Join session that's already going >Land my dropship on a teammate killing them by accident (Seriously you can't fricking see where you're going half the time) >Everyone else gets slaughtered seconds later including me >Leave session
They probably thought I was a master troll but really It was more like I was slipping on my own spaghetti.
>hmm the players made epic memes about le creek... >OH! Lets make BUG VIETNAM A MEME NOW SEND OUT A MESSAGE ABOUT TERMINIDS APPEARING ON VELD
Joel is a Black person.
So we just going to ignore the fact that the Automatons WON their fricking offensive on the way to Cyberstan to free their masters? Or will they conveniently just take a break and not advance? We lost the defense campaign there is no fricking reason for them to stop
They're not, they're moving upwards. They want Cyberstan in the Valdis sector, and they're securing the outer rim as a backline. Look at the Trigon sector ballsdeep in Automaton territory. Troost is lost, Vandalion IV has nearly fallen and I'll bet you anything Ustotu is next.
In my haste I missed how you already mentioned how they are moving north to Cyberstan. Glad I'm not the only one who sees it. The rest is true though, I'm certain.
>Eagle Air Strike >Eagle Smoke Strike
One can act as an offensive bombardment ahead of you, can take out heavy enemies, can destroy structures, can take out pursuers and can cover your rear as you make a retreat. The other can only help you make a retreat.
Tell me why anybody should ever consider taking one over the other. People picking strategems that are better than the others aren't a fault of the players, it's a fault of the game design.
Smoke is heavily underrated in general. But its because not fighting everything you see is also underrated. 9 lobbies out of 10 you'll be paired with people who will sit on an objective until either there are no more reinforcements or everything is dead.
I typically only play by myself and with friends and we can make a tactical retreat just fine without smoke. So I just fail to see why taking up a strategem slot would ever be worth it.
Bots specifically will actually group up under it. So dumping it ahead of a group of advancing devastators will result in them clumped up for easy mop up.
I feel like there should be 5 stratagem slots, but one is a dedicated "Support" stratagem, or just make a Support Weapon part of your actual loadout. (You still need to call it in as it is now)
I understand the idea is to have a team that can cover any weaknesses and stick together, but in practice it really just feels like you need to be capable of dealing with literally everything yourself even with competent allies.
Because I wish to FRICKING RUN AWAY from the 4 tanks, 6 hulks and constant other bot drops, not slightly inconvenience it while they're still shooting at me.
Also stealth.
>Napalm strikes can kill factories
Neat, guess I'll actually use them since 99% of the time I use airstrikes to either clear out a clump of enemies up close or to kill factories so having effectively 2 strat slots of Eagle Airstrike, (but one has some neat cosmetic fire that doesn't do anything), is actually ideal for me.
When a weapon is called in it drops a pod with both the weapon and the ammo backpack. One player carries the weapon while another carries the backpack. The player with the backpack can walk up to the player with the gun and press E to reload them.
It's much faster than reloading yourself, but the usefulness of it is questionable as you become unable to reload at all if you are separated. Players often get split up during fights as they kite enemies.
The most effective weapons right now are either the breaker shotgun or the diligence rifle, paired with either the railgun or autocannon.
You can try everything and see what you like though, on lower difficulties the meta doesn't matter as much.
Progressing through the Warbonds are how you get new gear like weapons and armors and grenades. So you'll have to use the liberator and machinegun for at least a little while while you progress through them.
>fire grenade launcher at hunter >the split seconds in which it begins to impact the hunter it does an attack animation sending the now primed grenade into my face >die
I really wonder if the meta will even itself out once armor actually does anything. For all we know we're taking double the damage than what's actually intended.
Does the Liberator Penetrator work on Charger legs and AT STs or other shit?
I kind of want to start dumping medals into the premium thing season whatever the frick mabob since it has an Incen Breaker and what I assume is a medium armor penetrating breaker at the bottom.
>carry mission for 40 minutes >fully stacked of super samples, medium samples and common samples >get kicked by host as pelican drops >cannot report Black person host for being a homosexual Black person piece of shit
I'm not playing anymore until they punish this kind of bullshit, frick you
Playing on PC, when I'm playing can anyone matchmake into my game? Is the SOS required or that just makes more likely to join? I can play for a while and nobody joins, joining other games with matchmaking is fine though.
If heavy armor doesnt deflect small arms fire then what will even be the point of wearing it unless armor rating gives a massive damage resist?
Whos gonna wanna take 2 more hits from a hunter when you wont be able to run away from the helldive diff horde behind you.
the only thing we can speculate is maybe the fact that enemies have 100% armour piercing means that they also get 100% stagger chance from that damage
You have to call in one of two dedicated strategems in order to shield yourself from projectiles. Why do you think they'd give that perk passively to armor? That would make those two strategems redundant.
Don't be a moron. If heavy armor made you immune to the smallest attacks people still wouldn't use it because of the massive stamina and runspeed penalty.
I dunno man, if heavy armor negated scav/raider damage and removed stagger from hunters/berserkers I'd probably wear it. There's been a lot of times I've died because a patrol spawned literally behind me in a fight and I get stunlocked long enough for the big boys to kill me
Yes, (YOU) would wear it. but it wouldn't
>make those two strategems redundant
Because other people value speed more than you.
They can still make any rounds deflected do chip damage, its not like there isnt chainsaws and razor claws trying to gank you constantly. Even with that immunitie that ballistic shield also gives it only takes one rocket to send you to the spectator screen anyways.
Also anyone who says it wouldnt be cool to see a dozen bots small arms fire deflect off you as you mow them down is undemocratic
You moron. I could move slow as molasses after they give me the fricking CAR. I'll stand perfectly still while lasers and rockets deflect off my glorious chestplate and then when we're done killing everything we'll get into the multi-person vehicle and drive to our next objective.
Mate, heavy armor, just looking at the numbers, will be something like 5-10 times as effective as light. And we're taking more damage than even light armor should. Enemies have 100% armor penetration. Armor isn't bugged to be the lowest effectiveness. Its bugged to have zero effect at all.
Heavy armour in HD1 was incredibly tough, it made you effectively immune to attacks from chaff enemies even when getting attacked by like five bugs simultaneously. IIRC the mobility penalty was more severe than it is this time around however so I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't quite as tough, but still it shows that the devs believe that armour should actually make you a tough motherfricker.
There is a mission modifier for Enemy Orbital Strikes in the game files. Which faction will use this? Perhaps Illuminate will have space presence.
There are also rebels in the files, but I imagine they will just be around POI or secondary objective. Doubt they will have super destroyers in space
Rebel faction would be neat. Wonder if they'll have mechs and gunships
>play this game after hearing everybody sperging out over whether or not you play as the good guys or its fascism or fascism is good actually blah blah blah
>the whole setting is literally just people saying the word "democracy" over and over again with practically no additional context
is this really the shit people are getting upset over now
Satire is really pushing the limits of the average modern person's literacy. Some even think that if you consume media centered on a certain character, you tacitly endorse the actions of the character. Meaning they won't touch media that has "bad characters" doing "bad things."
yes, and i love it. let's all continue loving helldivers
Is the anticheat really that bad?
none of the
>IT BRICKED MY PC
shit is true.
it may or may not be part of the reason they're having trouble solving the crashes but my guess is not and they're just incompetent
we still have 0 armor a month after launch
Debate able, i have personal friends that its caused issues with their PC to act up.
Its not that bad, but its not that good either.
The main concern that people have with it, is that its a pretty dated/antiquated anticheat that uses a shotgun method to do its job. The issue there is that in doing so it also shuts down legitimate programs for no reason.
This particular anti cheat is used only by old ass eastern MMO RPGs, and shitty gotcha games
There is a reason why companies that used this, moved off of it to something else.
Yes, it sucked my dick then called me gay
It's ok anon, it can still pretend to be someone who filled out a c-01 with you
It killed my dog. Fricked me in the ass AND didn't call the next morning.
No. It could be the cause of some game crashes, but only the devs know that for sure.
If you're running some obscure drivers or third party software that it doesn't recognize it could potentially flag them as potentially harmful and cause the game to not run. I haven't personally had any such issues.
The anticheat only runs when the game is running and is easy to uninstall.
Obviously, it IS kernel level so there is always an inherent risk involved of someone potentially exploiting it to gain access to your machine. If you have really sensitive work or financial shit on your gaming computer you might want to avoid it out of an abundance of caution.
All that said, the anti-cheat doesn't actually appear to be effective at stopping cheaters since cheating has already been documented.
is the Machine gun a shitter weapon? I really enjoy diving into mowing down hordes so I want to take it and the supply backpack. I tried recoiless and it feels underwhelming. i dont care about meta but I dont want to be useless.
there was a heavy machinegun that was removed mere hours after release so whenever that's added it should make you both more useful and hopefully actually deal with heavy units effectively
I've heard heavy machine gun rumors but havent seen any actual evidence of them
are they really that bad? it feels like it does good work holding off the swarms advancing on the team
thats what I crave. chewing through the legions.
Yes, they really are.
They will work fine in difficulties up to and including 6, though in 5 and 6 you are gonna struggle with them.
Beyond 6 the game just spawns so much medium armor that you spend most of your ammo just chewing through the armor.
The stalwart becomes useless in 7+ because there is to much medium armor, and the LMG has so little ammo and you burn through it so fast, that you have to take the ammo pack but you are going to be left with your pants down against things like chargers, Hive guards, and bile titans for bugs, and hulks and tanks for bots.
Im in the same boat as you, i want to just be able to spit lead. The best option for that is the auto canon.
Don't listen to the other moron anons, the MG is amazing for bugs. It chews through armor less than a charger's incredibly well, as well as providing huge swarm clear. Your only issues will be chargers and bile titans, but you have 3 other strategem slots for that. You could always take EATs in addition, if you arent confident with your airstrikes.
MG has a terrible time dealing with hunters though since they can put and instinctively jump horizontally when you put your crosshair on them.
Currently machine guns are dog shit.
The stalwart should be a primary weapon, becuase thats what it is, a glorified primary weapon.
The LMG has to little ammo, and needing to stop and reload it kills its usefulness. If the LMG came with i would say 1 or 2 more magazines, and could be reloaded on teh fly, it would fill a role that the Autocanon does not already fill.
Any info on that? Because i heard someone else mention it but never actually seen a picture or info on it.
It's a horde clearing weapon. you can fire into a crowd and so long as there isn't a charger in there you'll reliably deal damage to anything since the MG has medium armor pen, so it can blast through hive guard armor.
While true the problem is the Auto canon just does that better.
I've never had a good experience of the autocannon being all that great at clearing out a horde, but having different flavors of the same job also isn't necessarily a bad thing. Grenade launcher is also phenomenal at dealing with patrols and larger groups and can be used to clear outposts, but has its own drawbacks as well.
The issue with a horde clear dedicated support weapon is that you'll now lack somemthing to deal with more armored enemies, and typically people see your primary and secondary as your chaff clearing options. There's not a lot a MGunner can do with a charger other than unload a whole magazine into it's backside. So if you want to use the machine gun, you'll want to be with some friends that have some more anti armor effective weaponry.
If you look at it like a scale of being a strictly horde clear, to strictly Medium armor it kinda go like
Stalwart>LMG>Grenade launcher>Auto canon
So the Grenade launcher is much better at horde clearing then the auto canon, but the auto canon can still do it well enough, plus with how much medium armor you fight in higher difficulties, that heavy hitting round is great for dealing with bugs.
Another negative with the autocannon is that it interacts more with the phsyics simulation, while the grenade launcher mostly just needs to get past the arming distance.
The main issue with the Stalwart is that it just has light armor pen, so it's just a larger liberator really. The Machine Gun has medium penetration so it's going to be able to damage anything short of heavier armor. With bugs that means chargers. for bots Devistators have armor that needs more than medium penetration to deal with, but you'll be shitting out enough bullets that you should be cutting them in half or taking off limbs easy enough.
The Big problem is that they are horde clear weapons, and in higher difficulties your hordes will have armor in them and that will deflect your rounds not letting you damage everything. It's a balancing act of how much anti armor and horde clear you need. Since you play with a group your communication and team play can really make things easier for you, but you'll probably still find yourself not being able to help as much as you'd like. As another anon said, bringing the EAT stratagem will be a benefit for you, as you can keep your machine gun for most patrols, and drop your EAT when you need to help out with Anti Armor duties.
Not sure what you mean with the physics, i have no issues with shooting and getting it to do its thing.
NTA
But the autocannon bounces shots against heavy armor basically all the time. So even if you hit, the rounds don't explode, doing chip damage. The GL will explode on impact, to at least chip at the target.
Thats why its so frustrating to use against Chargers. You have to sort of weave shots into its limbs where the ricochet will hit something else and explode.
The autocannon rounds can deflect off of armor is all. For example shooting at a charger's armor, which is very angled from the front, will just have your rounds deflecting all over the place.
The grenade launchers grenades are impact grenades so they'll explode on contact once they travel a certain distance.
Bots armor is generally very flat, though if you skim the sides of their chests you'll deflect off of them.
fortunately im playing with friends so having other weapons is covered but I am concerned about what
said as we should be reaching the higher difficulties next time we play tonight.
Or just bring an EAT/Impact nades as and when needed
I sure hope the jeep handles better than the LAV because that shit is bouncy and slidey as frick
does anyone have the images of the devs talking about nerfing the breaker
>like 70% of the weapons will forever be shitty
thanks
I can't wait for this game to be unplayable past difficulty 5
it's okay we'll get another balance patch in two months to fix the dogshit weapons after the CEO makes fifty more memes on twitter about people being metagays!
and those patches by then will still include
Known Issues:
Armor values not working
And people will be happy with it.
I'm having fun with the game right now but I think it's gonna finally wear off pretty soon.
some shit's already starting to wear thin on me because I really just want to be able to enjoy the game, but seeing the CEO's arrogance online and basic features like the fricking armour stat taking so long to get fixed is annoying me
>hosting so I can use whatever shit I think is fun
>turned on crossplay to play with a coworker, forgot to turn it off
>console Black person joins
>mic always on
>he dies
>I reinforce him away from his body because his body is currently under 2 hulks, multiple tanks, and a forest of chainsaws
>>BRO MY SHIT
>he sprints over to it
>dies immediately
>starts yelling
>reinforce him where he died
>he dies because his body is in the middle of the enemy
>>BRO WHY YOU REINFORCING ME IN THE OPEN IN FRONT OF ALL THE ENEMIES
>kick him
Never going back to joining games. Being the host is always best
Typical fricking console experience
>Mic always on or sensitivity is set so fricking low its tripped by everything
>Can hear him breathing
>Can hear him eating/drinking
>Can hear his shitty music
>Can hear his mother arguing wiht someone in the background
>Can hear the Chirping on the smoke detector
Console players are literally the worst everyone is a hood rat sounding mother fricker.
>>Can hear the Chirping on the smoke detector
kek
Is there a full list of the console open-mic soundscape experience? I can think of a few more to add to your list.
>rips from bong/vape
>coughs directly into the mic for minutes afterwards
>dogs (plural) barking
>baby crying
>kids screaming
>non-english conversation or tv playing in background
>talks to himself constantly
>never responds to any of your attempts to communicate
>have MUH SUPER SECURE KERNEL LEVEL ANTI CHEAT
>people can edit their game with hex editor and join mission no problem to call down unreleased stratagems
nice anti cheat
>autocanon sentry can break chargers armor
>autocanon can't break charger leg armor so I can kill them with primary
I hope they rebalance some of this shit because having to run recoilless every mission until 20 and then railgun for every mission post 20 isn't very cool. Orbitals may as well not exist outside of the laser or railgun too, neither of which benefit from the ship modules save for the 10% CD one.
Meanwhile we're all married to Eagle pilot because she has all the good shit and all the modules actually help immensely.
>I hope they rebalance some of this shit because having to run recoilless every mission until 20 and then railgun for every mission post 20 isn't very cool.
Bro....take the EAT pill
Drops every 60 seconds, can one shot a charger if you shoot it in the leg. problem fricking solved.
Autocannon sentry is 40mm or 50mm
Shoulder autocannon is 20mm. It is meant to be weaker.
Railgun and breaker are stupidly op compared to everything else. Balance is fricked rn but I'm still have so much fun I don't even care.
they are not OP, they are fun and effective
the rest are just not
problem with railgun is that everything else is fricking dogshit. Autocannon bounces of big bugs and you have to carry a backpack, recoilless assisted reload is bugged on PC, arc thrower is a fricking team killing machine
speaking of team killing don't ever use lightning tower. the frickkng thing will arc off of 3 terminids and snipe you from like half a mile away
>advertised to prone around it to stay safe
>it fricking zaps you if you get in its kill radius regardless of being prone or not
An anon did some testing and he hypothesized that getting low merely stops the tower from zapping you IF there are no other targets in range. If there ARE other targets in range of the tower it WILL ALSO zap you too when it fires, even if prone.
that's the weird thing, I was showing off the tesla tower to a friend who was new to the game so he could see them get decimated and then mentioned that going prone would keep you safe with a live demonstration while no enemies were around
the thing zapped my shield once and then gibbed me a second later, there were no enemies around either
Jannies killed the thread, OP. They didn't like your choice of helldiver poster. Instead of deleting the offending image they left it up and put the thread on kill cus they're fricking dumb.
I found anons post.
You can also get hit if you're right on top/next to an enemy.
The tesla is more of a anti-flank/"Frick everything in this area" type emplacement.
>arc thrower is a fricking team killing machine
For morons without a sense of positioning maybe.
It does too little damage to compete with those weapons anyway. Arc Thrower is fine as it is, it just doesn't deal with heavies well (it can, just slowly, too slowly to matter when there are 4 bile titans and 8 chargers)
You're right about the Autocannon. Bouncing against chargers especially is frustrating.
Is this game really promoting nazism or is it just a meme?
yeah bruh
you have to "HEIL HITLER" When you sign the Terms of service
HMG emplacement is fricking useless
>doesnt to shit to armor
>turns slow
>one charger or hulk and you are just fricked
It can kill hulks just fine. Stop being so shit at using it.
I had to swap to DX11 on my 7900XTX because it was making her run like a kenyan for reasons unknown and crashing the game. Deleted the DX12 cache too, now she runs everything perfectly.
It's for defense missions.
Kills hulks in the eyes. HMG is actually great against bots. It's bugs that it falls flat against, and mainly due to chargers.
It might have just been a fluke, but the one time my HMG got charged down I simply got off of it and the Charger harmlessly passed through it, so I killed it then just got back on.
Just don't let them hit you when you're still on it. Instant death.
Really though the HMG emplacement is fricking excellent, the only thing it CAN'T deal with is tanks (from the front) and Chargers (from the front), it will absolutely melt every other enemy type except Hulks, which it can kill super fast with headshots but is a bit tricky to do sometimes because of it's spread, and Bile Titans, which it can also kill but it takes a good bit of fire. HMGs are how my friends and I won Diff 9 civilian extracts when they first came out, have one person on dedicated MG duty mowing down entire hordes of chickens and devastators while everyone else shoots down ships when possible but otherwise just kills shit with their usual loadouts, (Two people actually had the HMG stratagem but only one would use it so the gunner could hop onto a fresh one when theirs ran out of ammo since you'd basically be holding M1 nonstop)
VELD IS OURS SOON
>Join session that's already going
>Land my dropship on a teammate killing them by accident (Seriously you can't fricking see where you're going half the time)
>Everyone else gets slaughtered seconds later including me
>Leave session
They probably thought I was a master troll but really It was more like I was slipping on my own spaghetti.
breasts too big, I love them flat
There will come a day where:
>Heavy Armor
>Minigun
>Shield Pack Generator
>Spatuler with port and starboard attachments
Will be a thing and you just stand out front eating shit for the crew mowing down bugs.
Just not today.
tbh this is what i want.
Heavy armor
minigun/heavy MG
ammo pack
Mech
Eagle bombing run.
>hmm the players made epic memes about le creek...
>OH! Lets make BUG VIETNAM A MEME NOW SEND OUT A MESSAGE ABOUT TERMINIDS APPEARING ON VELD
Joel is a Black person.
So we just going to ignore the fact that the Automatons WON their fricking offensive on the way to Cyberstan to free their masters? Or will they conveniently just take a break and not advance? We lost the defense campaign there is no fricking reason for them to stop
They're not, they're moving upwards. They want Cyberstan in the Valdis sector, and they're securing the outer rim as a backline. Look at the Trigon sector ballsdeep in Automaton territory. Troost is lost, Vandalion IV has nearly fallen and I'll bet you anything Ustotu is next.
In my haste I missed how you already mentioned how they are moving north to Cyberstan. Glad I'm not the only one who sees it. The rest is true though, I'm certain.
Black person the armor doesn't even work how are we supposed to fight these things
The three C's
Cover
Courage
More Cover
prefer the 5 D`s
dodge
duck
dip
dive
and dodge.
where's the democracy in these D's?
That doesn't even matter considering that homosexual of a Dungeon Master is the one clearly making this all railroad.
>Eagle Air Strike
>Eagle Smoke Strike
One can act as an offensive bombardment ahead of you, can take out heavy enemies, can destroy structures, can take out pursuers and can cover your rear as you make a retreat. The other can only help you make a retreat.
Tell me why anybody should ever consider taking one over the other. People picking strategems that are better than the others aren't a fault of the players, it's a fault of the game design.
Smoke is heavily underrated in general. But its because not fighting everything you see is also underrated. 9 lobbies out of 10 you'll be paired with people who will sit on an objective until either there are no more reinforcements or everything is dead.
I typically only play by myself and with friends and we can make a tactical retreat just fine without smoke. So I just fail to see why taking up a strategem slot would ever be worth it.
Bots specifically will actually group up under it. So dumping it ahead of a group of advancing devastators will result in them clumped up for easy mop up.
You are moronic and clearly have not even tried the smoke, just theorycrafting without playing
I feel like there should be 5 stratagem slots, but one is a dedicated "Support" stratagem, or just make a Support Weapon part of your actual loadout. (You still need to call it in as it is now)
I understand the idea is to have a team that can cover any weaknesses and stick together, but in practice it really just feels like you need to be capable of dealing with literally everything yourself even with competent allies.
Because I wish to FRICKING RUN AWAY from the 4 tanks, 6 hulks and constant other bot drops, not slightly inconvenience it while they're still shooting at me.
Also stealth.
>Napalm strikes can kill factories
Neat, guess I'll actually use them since 99% of the time I use airstrikes to either clear out a clump of enemies up close or to kill factories so having effectively 2 strat slots of Eagle Airstrike, (but one has some neat cosmetic fire that doesn't do anything), is actually ideal for me.
man, frick democratic women.
Not without your C-01, citizen.
They need to remove the getting out of cryo animation
way too long
no
How do team reloads work?
What weapons to avoid as a beginner?
They work, but truth be told they are not really worth it, at the moemnt to many people run around being moronic to even make use of it.
When a weapon is called in it drops a pod with both the weapon and the ammo backpack. One player carries the weapon while another carries the backpack. The player with the backpack can walk up to the player with the gun and press E to reload them.
It's much faster than reloading yourself, but the usefulness of it is questionable as you become unable to reload at all if you are separated. Players often get split up during fights as they kite enemies.
The most effective weapons right now are either the breaker shotgun or the diligence rifle, paired with either the railgun or autocannon.
You can try everything and see what you like though, on lower difficulties the meta doesn't matter as much.
I don't see either of those weapons, so are they in war chests?
Progressing through the Warbonds are how you get new gear like weapons and armors and grenades. So you'll have to use the liberator and machinegun for at least a little while while you progress through them.
This game feels very incomplete and I'm only lvl 11.
Game being buggy for anyone else? I keep getting stuck on loading screens.
Yes, but I just keep saying I have no problems to confuse the devs into thinking they don't have to optimize the broken game. Works on my machine.
>fire grenade launcher at hunter
>the split seconds in which it begins to impact the hunter it does an attack animation sending the now primed grenade into my face
>die
WHAT THE FRICK
Parried
Is the APW-1 sniper any good?
I really wonder if the meta will even itself out once armor actually does anything. For all we know we're taking double the damage than what's actually intended.
If it's like the first game the heaviest armor will let you tank the weakest enemies like the juggernaut.
>last patch got me from 90fps to 40 fps
>cpu 100% screaming
w-works on my system!
It seems common that the patch raped the fps of a lot of people wtf are the doing in Sweden
how else are you going to fry those swedish meatballs on your cpu
they dont even aknowledge it
Does the Liberator Penetrator work on Charger legs and AT STs or other shit?
I kind of want to start dumping medals into the premium thing season whatever the frick mabob since it has an Incen Breaker and what I assume is a medium armor penetrating breaker at the bottom.
>Does the Liberator Penetrator work on Charger legs and AT STs or other shit?
lol no, that would actually make it not dogshit
when the fricking devs nerf the railgun instead of fixing all the useless shit instead, I really hope they get raped by packs of Somali Black folk
>carry mission for 40 minutes
>fully stacked of super samples, medium samples and common samples
>get kicked by host as pelican drops
>cannot report Black person host for being a homosexual Black person piece of shit
I'm not playing anymore until they punish this kind of bullshit, frick you
Host your own games or keep seething
t.pronz
You are actually moronic, why would you NOT host?
>NOOO STOP USING QUICK PLAY :~~*~~*~~*~~*
have a nice day
Correct. Stop using quick play moron. You get a full game in seconds when you host anyways
Any of the premium warbond weapons worth it?
I have my eyes on the incendiary and the explosive. Are they good?
no
Supposedly the Dominator is very good for dropping medium-sized bots with headshots.
Playing on PC, when I'm playing can anyone matchmake into my game? Is the SOS required or that just makes more likely to join? I can play for a while and nobody joins, joining other games with matchmaking is fine though.
If it is set to public, anyone can join from the point you are on your ship.
SOS Beacons are for getting people using quickplay into your game.
Hmm whenever I choose a mission on the planet there's rarely anyone else there. Only once I saw 2/4 players and it wouldn't join. Eh I dunno
>page 9
Dead gaem
I warned the OP about using coomshit for the OP.
moronic op
janong vibes
I'm so fricking sick of Veld.