Sonic 3D is severely underrated. It's comfy rather than fast-paced, but it still uses Sonic pinball physics. It was neither meant to be a mainline Sonic game nor a Mario 64/Crash competitor, but SEGA had to quickly make a Saturn port of it because their other Saturn Sonic projects fell through (not Sonic 3D's fault.) It has two great soundtracks. One of the original devs made a director's cut with improved physics among other things.
Yeah, 3D Blast is pretty decent once you get used to the controls. I also don't see very many people acknowledging that 3D Blast is literally "3D" Flicky, which becomes very apparent once you unlock both games in the Mega Collection.
Also that era of 3D Sonic renders were 2muchSOVL2control. I miss when Sonic was kinda glossy and spiky looking. (Heroes was too floppy looking) And the pointed shoes. God I miss them. All of Classic Sonic's OG design exuded "pointiness" which worked because he's a fricking hedgehog. Meanwhile Modern Sonic is just very bulbous and globular and too soft looking for my sensitive autistic tastes.
>yep, a star on legs and a queer jester are definitely gonna surpass our previous mascot in popularity
Nice cropped porn homosexual. Anyway, NiGHTS and Ristar weren't ever intended to be competitors to Sonic in any capacity. They were merely creative outlets for Sonic Team who were (understandably) a little burnt out on making Sonic games. Sad that they didn't get to keep that outlet, because I think Sonic suffered because of it since they obviously started shoving their unused original game ideas into Sonic games where they had no business being at all.
>Also that era of 3D Sonic renders were 2muchSOVL2control. I miss when Sonic was kinda glossy and spiky looking. (Heroes was too floppy looking) And the pointed shoes. God I miss them. All of Classic Sonic's OG design exuded "pointiness" which worked because he's a fricking hedgehog. Meanwhile Modern Sonic is just very bulbous and globular and too soft looking for my sensitive autistic tastes.
I fricking hate Tyson's Sonic. I also hate the Felix The cat knockoff remodel they've been using in merchandise. Generations Classic model has also been pretty dog shit.
Judy Totoya still draws what I consider to be the best interpretation of Classic Sonic. He's still got the cuteness everyone seems to think he needs, but the needle is still very clearly on the cool side. Tyson's Sonic leans far too much on the cute. I can't ever picture that version of him ever going hard.
you know what? i never noticed until read this but that is exactly what i hate about generation's classic sonic model, it looks cute instead of cool thats what was bothering me about him
I like this huemonkey animator's iteration of Sonic, he trends towards angular but still has the roundness of his actual sprites from the Genesis and SMS/GG games. Ends up with something pretty close to how Classic looked in the Sonic CD cutscenes, or the transitional design when Sonic Adventure was first being drafted and Modern hadn't quite gotten there yet
Maybe at least one person on the team made that connection but more likely they just wanted to imitate GoW but also didn't want to give Sonic a weapon so stretchy arms was the solution.
yeah that crossed my mind too but as a kid i wanted to believe it was a ristar reference
Maybe at least one person on the team made that connection but more likely they just wanted to imitate GoW but also didn't want to give Sonic a weapon so stretchy arms was the solution.
I wish we could get the Director's Cut features in the Saturn version.
Maybe port the Genesis Special Stages to Saturn 3D Blast and Frankenstein Jam's Sonic World with the Saturn Special Stages for a more accessible, compact disc image.
Not many people say it, but you're right. Sega were moronic for this. Allowing Naka and Sonic Team to focus on NiGHTS instead of Sonic during the Saturn era did irreparable damage to both Sonic and Sega. They literally tanked the company for mid.
>They literally tanked the company for mid.
You talk like such a fricking moron it's unreal. Yes it was a bad business decision, but NiGHTs isn't "mid", it's one of the greatest games ever made.
this
Sonic Team was moronic for thinking a purple androgynous clown was of higher importance than the company mascot's first 3D outing and Sega was moronic for letting them get away with it
On one hand, I think nights is a great game, on the other hand, I agree that both sega and sonic would probably be in a better position had they made a proper sonic game for the Saturn instead of nights. The fact that yuji naka actually prevented sonic xtreme from making headway because it would’ve used stuff from nights is the most confusing thing ever, he had to have realized that abandoning sega’s mascot for a new ip and actually trying to hold sega’s mascot back was a bad and selfish idea, right?
Sonic was never popular in Japan(according to Naka and Ohshima, Japanese kids were sending letters to Sonic Team asking who Sonic was when NiGHTS came out) and the Genesis sold like shit over there(it was a distant third place compared to the SNES and the TurboGrafx-16) so Sonic Team probably just didn't see the point in making yet another Sonic game instead of a new IP that could appeal more to Japanese Sega fans.
Of course, Sega could've easily just b***hslapped them and said "ayo what the frick are you guys doing, we're making a new console and we need a launch title with the blue rat, get to work", but they didn't.
I think Sonic Team had the leeway to do new things because the Virtua series was the hot new thing from SEGA at that time, Virtua Fighter was more of a system seller than Sonic. That said, yanking the use of the NiGHTS engine from a Sonic game because it's not being made in Japan was a really stupid move and get to the core of what Naka's problem was.
This is actually a pretty alright isometric game. I think if the entire game was designed more like Dia ind Dust, Volcanic Valley and Panic Puppet, it would have been far better received. The Flicky hunting just doesn't suit the gameplay. I don't know what John Burton was on about when he said 3D Blast was slow. If you actually zoom around the levels without doing Where's Waldo, it's pretty damn quick. He programmed a damn good engine. The cramped level design was it's ultimate curse.
Now that's a pleasant new year present to get out of the blue, thanks anon.
But, I'd reiterate a bit my previous statement. I meant something more like "explore areas outside playable space". Clearly this has to do alot with it being my childhood game, but Sonic 3D always felt so vast to me. Due to how camera is positioned, there's always just enough stuff aside from playable area to make you wonder, what's out there? What if you could jump over the fense and go there?
Still, this is some cool shit in those videos, I'll be keeping this game on my radar.
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Now that's a pleasant new year present to get out of the blue, thanks anon.
But, I'd reiterate a bit my previous statement. I meant something more like "explore areas outside playable space". Clearly this has to do alot with it being my childhood game, but Sonic 3D always felt so vast to me. Due to how camera is positioned, there's always just enough stuff aside from playable area to make you wonder, what's out there? What if you could jump over the fense and go there?
Still, this is some cool shit in those videos, I'll be keeping this game on my radar.
I find it hilarious how the special stages in the Saturn version are more visually appealing and fun compared to the actual game. I don’t understand why Sega preferred isometric graphics over this.
Funnily enough, the Special Stages were the only part of the game that was actually made by Sonic Team themselves, using assets from what would eventually become Sonic Adventure.
>objectively godawful fricking game posted >'sonic fans' begin their 'discourse' about how it's an underrated gem for some godforsaken reason that's only penetrable to other addicts who only enjoy hedgehog games
Yeah, the PC versions of 3D Blast and R were my first Sonic games.
I remember seeing footage of the Saturn version for the first time and thinking "what the frick, the special stages are WAY better than what I have".
no, see, they eventually wised up and made it fully polygonal 3D... at the very end of development when they only had like two or three months left to finish the game
why they stuck with the fisheye Bug! look for so long is beyond me
Weird. Was there ever a playable build found? I imagine the fisheye thing was to hide the deficiencies of Saturns 3d capabilities, kind of pigeonholes you in to looking in such a way where the game can offload 75% of the world and focus on whats in your limited view. Also I bet controller was a consideration to some extent, I had a 3d controller but what percent of Saturn owners did, maybe 5% at best? So camera control, 3d movement, easier to force you on a plane like bug or early Xtreme would have
>Was there ever a playable build found?
No, one of the guys at the sonic cult contacted the old devs, who ran the thing through an emulator to make those screenshots. Chances are it looked much worse in reality since emulators run games better.
>I don't know if this was the NiGHTS build that Yuji Naka allegedly threw a tantrum over
I doubt it, they didn't have access to that engine for long before he threw his b***hfit.
>I don't know if this was the NiGHTS build that Yuji Naka allegedly threw a tantrum over,
That was the boss engine. There never was a NIGHTS build. They worked for two weeks trying to get the NIGHTS level editor working when Naka started crying.
>Leander >Bram Stroker's Dracula >Puggsy >Mickey Mania: The Timeless Adventures of Mickey Mouse >Toy Story >Sonic 3D Blast
Travellers Tales's sixth game, and their last one for a 4th generation console.
Because no genesis emulator gets the sound right, so everything sounds horrible. Fusion comes closest and even that one is missing the ladder effect that some games like Earthworm Jim abuse.
>hitting enemies is cumbersome due to isometric view, to the point it literally creates the homing attack power up >bosses are dogshit >lava and snow levels are boring and only exist for the OST and to show off elemental shields >spring yard zone >final level has you in a maze with no direction where to go and fricking indestructible turrets that shoot 360* and can knock off your birds even when you’re not hit
But hey at least it had those cool half pipe special stages
>hitting enemies is cumbersome due to isometric view, to the point it literally creates the homing attack power up
In fairness to the game precision jumping is always going to be clunky in 3D games compared to 2D ones, it's why Mario games always either >slow the game way the frick down to allow for it (Mario 3D Land, etc) >offer some alternative method of melee attack (Mario 64, Mario Galaxy, tanooki suit in Mario 3D Land/World, etc)
Mario learned the hard way that Fire Flowers especially fricking suck in 3D space and they pop up in Mario Galaxy and Mario 3D Land/World for powerup variety and legacy
>offer some alternative method of melee attack
Achshually S3DB has this - spindash. Fairly useless as a "I need speed" crutch because you don't need speed it provides, but it makes attacking enemies easier, save for rare flying robots and the rape snowmen whose shots tend to hit you even when it shoots them in opposite direction.
Not really. It's scraps of what they were trying to do, cobbled together into functioning videogame.
Sonic 3D is severely underrated. It's comfy rather than fast-paced, but it still uses Sonic pinball physics. It was neither meant to be a mainline Sonic game nor a Mario 64/Crash competitor, but SEGA had to quickly make a Saturn port of it because their other Saturn Sonic projects fell through (not Sonic 3D's fault.) It has two great soundtracks. One of the original devs made a director's cut with improved physics among other things.
Yeah, 3D Blast is pretty decent once you get used to the controls. I also don't see very many people acknowledging that 3D Blast is literally "3D" Flicky, which becomes very apparent once you unlock both games in the Mega Collection.
Also that era of 3D Sonic renders were 2muchSOVL2control. I miss when Sonic was kinda glossy and spiky looking. (Heroes was too floppy looking) And the pointed shoes. God I miss them. All of Classic Sonic's OG design exuded "pointiness" which worked because he's a fricking hedgehog. Meanwhile Modern Sonic is just very bulbous and globular and too soft looking for my sensitive autistic tastes.
Nice cropped porn homosexual. Anyway, NiGHTS and Ristar weren't ever intended to be competitors to Sonic in any capacity. They were merely creative outlets for Sonic Team who were (understandably) a little burnt out on making Sonic games. Sad that they didn't get to keep that outlet, because I think Sonic suffered because of it since they obviously started shoving their unused original game ideas into Sonic games where they had no business being at all.
>Also that era of 3D Sonic renders were 2muchSOVL2control. I miss when Sonic was kinda glossy and spiky looking. (Heroes was too floppy looking) And the pointed shoes. God I miss them. All of Classic Sonic's OG design exuded "pointiness" which worked because he's a fricking hedgehog. Meanwhile Modern Sonic is just very bulbous and globular and too soft looking for my sensitive autistic tastes.
I fricking hate Tyson's Sonic. I also hate the Felix The cat knockoff remodel they've been using in merchandise. Generations Classic model has also been pretty dog shit.
Judy Totoya still draws what I consider to be the best interpretation of Classic Sonic. He's still got the cuteness everyone seems to think he needs, but the needle is still very clearly on the cool side. Tyson's Sonic leans far too much on the cute. I can't ever picture that version of him ever going hard.
Tyson's Sonic literally looks just like that though
you know what? i never noticed until read this but that is exactly what i hate about generation's classic sonic model, it looks cute instead of cool thats what was bothering me about him
I like this huemonkey animator's iteration of Sonic, he trends towards angular but still has the roundness of his actual sprites from the Genesis and SMS/GG games. Ends up with something pretty close to how Classic looked in the Sonic CD cutscenes, or the transitional design when Sonic Adventure was first being drafted and Modern hadn't quite gotten there yet
stop trying to shill your shitty flash art
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!!!BRAZILIAN BAITED OUT, MISSION COMPLETE!!!
>Nice cropped porn homosexual
sauce me on that
It's not porn, actually
https://www.seganerds.com/2013/05/07/how-ristar-became-the-flagman-in-sasr-transformed/
not if you don't let it be
Sonic "3D" Blast
>3D Blast is literally "3D" Flicky
Nobody cares unless it stars Sonic
i always saw, sonic's werehog form's stetchy arms as a reference to ristar, i dont know if thats what they were going for
It'd be nice if it was but most likely it was a reference to Kratos's daggers on chains, given the time period and the gameplay model
yeah that crossed my mind too but as a kid i wanted to believe it was a ristar reference
It could've been. It's possible the stretchy arms came from some Ristar game prototype but eventually got turned to Sonic.
Maybe at least one person on the team made that connection but more likely they just wanted to imitate GoW but also didn't want to give Sonic a weapon so stretchy arms was the solution.
it was way too slippery and hard to control which is more important than all that nonsense
You didn't read
>One of the original devs made a director's cut with improved physics among other things.
Fixes that
i'm convinced that people who hate on 3d blast never played it and are parroting things they've heard online. it's a great game.
I wish we could get the Director's Cut features in the Saturn version.
Maybe port the Genesis Special Stages to Saturn 3D Blast and Frankenstein Jam's Sonic World with the Saturn Special Stages for a more accessible, compact disc image.
Honestly I had fun with it when I rented it as a kid. Wasn't amazing but I still enjoyed it.
Sonic 3D was a solid game whose only real flaw was using the name Sonic.
Had they named it anything else it'd have been an instant classic.
>yep, a star on legs and a queer jester are definitely gonna surpass our previous mascot in popularity
Not many people say it, but you're right. Sega were moronic for this. Allowing Naka and Sonic Team to focus on NiGHTS instead of Sonic during the Saturn era did irreparable damage to both Sonic and Sega. They literally tanked the company for mid.
>They literally tanked the company for mid.
You talk like such a fricking moron it's unreal. Yes it was a bad business decision, but NiGHTs isn't "mid", it's one of the greatest games ever made.
>enjoying mid
>it's one of the greatest games ever made.
It's okay.
Holy shit they took that one pinball level from sonic and made a whole video game out of it! thats crazy
this
Sonic Team was moronic for thinking a purple androgynous clown was of higher importance than the company mascot's first 3D outing and Sega was moronic for letting them get away with it
Eat shit. NiGHTS was a phenomenal game, to the point where even Shiheru Miyamoto literally said he wished he was the one that created it.
So? Miyamoto put his stamp of approval on lots of shit games while shit talking kino like TTYD or Donkey Kong Country. Dude is a fricking hack.
He was right though. TTYD is a rehash and DKC is style over substance
>he says while praising some mediocre style over substance score attack game
On one hand, I think nights is a great game, on the other hand, I agree that both sega and sonic would probably be in a better position had they made a proper sonic game for the Saturn instead of nights. The fact that yuji naka actually prevented sonic xtreme from making headway because it would’ve used stuff from nights is the most confusing thing ever, he had to have realized that abandoning sega’s mascot for a new ip and actually trying to hold sega’s mascot back was a bad and selfish idea, right?
Sonic was never popular in Japan(according to Naka and Ohshima, Japanese kids were sending letters to Sonic Team asking who Sonic was when NiGHTS came out) and the Genesis sold like shit over there(it was a distant third place compared to the SNES and the TurboGrafx-16) so Sonic Team probably just didn't see the point in making yet another Sonic game instead of a new IP that could appeal more to Japanese Sega fans.
Of course, Sega could've easily just b***hslapped them and said "ayo what the frick are you guys doing, we're making a new console and we need a launch title with the blue rat, get to work", but they didn't.
I think Sonic Team had the leeway to do new things because the Virtua series was the hot new thing from SEGA at that time, Virtua Fighter was more of a system seller than Sonic. That said, yanking the use of the NiGHTS engine from a Sonic game because it's not being made in Japan was a really stupid move and get to the core of what Naka's problem was.
Saturn was doomed from the start due to the moronic decisions of Sega USA
Up to and including fifty fricking billion Genesis add-ons
And hiring Bernie "the Saturn is not our future" Stolar
This is actually a pretty alright isometric game. I think if the entire game was designed more like Dia ind Dust, Volcanic Valley and Panic Puppet, it would have been far better received. The Flicky hunting just doesn't suit the gameplay. I don't know what John Burton was on about when he said 3D Blast was slow. If you actually zoom around the levels without doing Where's Waldo, it's pretty damn quick. He programmed a damn good engine. The cramped level design was it's ultimate curse.
that was the first game to give me motion sickness because of how fast it was
I wish someone would made Sonic 3D's levels into actual 3D spaces to explore.
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Shit I linked an old video
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Now that's a pleasant new year present to get out of the blue, thanks anon.
But, I'd reiterate a bit my previous statement. I meant something more like "explore areas outside playable space". Clearly this has to do alot with it being my childhood game, but Sonic 3D always felt so vast to me. Due to how camera is positioned, there's always just enough stuff aside from playable area to make you wonder, what's out there? What if you could jump over the fense and go there?
Still, this is some cool shit in those videos, I'll be keeping this game on my radar.
What is the purpose of this remake?
The Sonic fangame scene has been a thing for nearly 30 years at this point so most likely just for shits and giggles.
It's a never ever vanity project. Dude's been at it for like a decade and never produces substantive gameplay.
It was actually competing with DKC
Not that comparison is much more favourable
>It was actually competing with DKC
that was Vectorman.
>It was actually competing with DKC
Wasn't that Vectorman?
What a shit fricking game, what the FRICK were they thinking
>"let's make a faux 3D Sonic game for the mega drive!"
originally meant to just be Sonic's swan song for the Genesis, but they had to make a quick and dirty Saturn port after X-treme shit the bed
The original game was quite good
It only lacked a password system.
DKC was a very tradtional platformer and fairly unambitious in terms of gameplay. Sonic 3D tried to do its own thing.
I find it hilarious how the special stages in the Saturn version are more visually appealing and fun compared to the actual game. I don’t understand why Sega preferred isometric graphics over this.
Funnily enough, the Special Stages were the only part of the game that was actually made by Sonic Team themselves, using assets from what would eventually become Sonic Adventure.
Traveller's Tales made the base game. The Special Stages were made by Sonic Team at its peak.
>objectively godawful fricking game posted
>'sonic fans' begin their 'discourse' about how it's an underrated gem for some godforsaken reason that's only penetrable to other addicts who only enjoy hedgehog games
Nobody posted Sonic Heroes.
god i love that comic panel
>objectively
frick off zoomer
This was actually my first Sonic game. I thought all Sonic games play like this.
Yeah, the PC versions of 3D Blast and R were my first Sonic games.
I remember seeing footage of the Saturn version for the first time and thinking "what the frick, the special stages are WAY better than what I have".
That looks way better than the Saturn one though. Look at that draw distance.
Sonic Xtreme was a shitpile, I can't believe Sega allowed it to go on for as long as it did
It always looked like Bug! to me. Which wasn't a bad game, but hardly would have been a system selling first party game.
no, see, they eventually wised up and made it fully polygonal 3D... at the very end of development when they only had like two or three months left to finish the game
why they stuck with the fisheye Bug! look for so long is beyond me
Weird. Was there ever a playable build found? I imagine the fisheye thing was to hide the deficiencies of Saturns 3d capabilities, kind of pigeonholes you in to looking in such a way where the game can offload 75% of the world and focus on whats in your limited view. Also I bet controller was a consideration to some extent, I had a 3d controller but what percent of Saturn owners did, maybe 5% at best? So camera control, 3d movement, easier to force you on a plane like bug or early Xtreme would have
>Was there ever a playable build found?
No, one of the guys at the sonic cult contacted the old devs, who ran the thing through an emulator to make those screenshots. Chances are it looked much worse in reality since emulators run games better.
an earlier build was found a couple years back
I don't know if this was the NiGHTS build that Yuji Naka allegedly threw a tantrum over, or if it was just inspired by the NiGHTS engine
>I don't know if this was the NiGHTS build that Yuji Naka allegedly threw a tantrum over
I doubt it, they didn't have access to that engine for long before he threw his b***hfit.
>I don't know if this was the NiGHTS build that Yuji Naka allegedly threw a tantrum over,
That was the boss engine. There never was a NIGHTS build. They worked for two weeks trying to get the NIGHTS level editor working when Naka started crying.
more akin to super mario rpg (isometric with pre-rendered graphics)
Whoa sonic is bad? I never heard that one before
>Leander
>Bram Stroker's Dracula
>Puggsy
>Mickey Mania: The Timeless Adventures of Mickey Mouse
>Toy Story
>Sonic 3D Blast
Travellers Tales's sixth game, and their last one for a 4th generation console.
i just found out that this game came out the same year as mario 64, then that game is not as impressive as i thought, still a fun game
Why does emulating sega genesis stuff feel so depressing compared to snes games?
The only thing depressing about Genesis emulation to me is that Sonic Megamix's CD version never went anywhere beyond the leaked beta.
Some fans recreated it in Mania. Good enough for me.
No shit? I need to check that out, that's really cool.
It's not finished, but they're doing both remixes and the old layouts.
Ooooooooooooo neat
Because it's transportating you back to when SEGA was top dog.
Because no genesis emulator gets the sound right, so everything sounds horrible. Fusion comes closest and even that one is missing the ladder effect that some games like Earthworm Jim abuse.
Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R are two of the best Travellers Tales games before they released that first Lego game in 2005.
Not exactly a high bar tbh, most of Traveller Tales' games were mediocre
oh yeah i keep forgetting they are the same people behind the lego games
sonic 3D was complete shit.
>hitting enemies is cumbersome due to isometric view, to the point it literally creates the homing attack power up
>bosses are dogshit
>lava and snow levels are boring and only exist for the OST and to show off elemental shields
>spring yard zone
>final level has you in a maze with no direction where to go and fricking indestructible turrets that shoot 360* and can knock off your birds even when you’re not hit
But hey at least it had those cool half pipe special stages
>filtered because im a moron
>filtered because im a moron
>filtered because im a moron
>filtered because im a moron
>filtered because im a moron
fixed that for you zoomie
Did I ever say I had difficulty in the game anywhere in that post?
it was implied, otherwise you wouldn't have even mentioned any of that
The only thing implied here is that you’re an idiot that mistakes criticism for difficulty
>hitting enemies is cumbersome due to isometric view, to the point it literally creates the homing attack power up
In fairness to the game precision jumping is always going to be clunky in 3D games compared to 2D ones, it's why Mario games always either
>slow the game way the frick down to allow for it (Mario 3D Land, etc)
>offer some alternative method of melee attack (Mario 64, Mario Galaxy, tanooki suit in Mario 3D Land/World, etc)
Mario learned the hard way that Fire Flowers especially fricking suck in 3D space and they pop up in Mario Galaxy and Mario 3D Land/World for powerup variety and legacy
>offer some alternative method of melee attack
Achshually S3DB has this - spindash. Fairly useless as a "I need speed" crutch because you don't need speed it provides, but it makes attacking enemies easier, save for rare flying robots and the rape snowmen whose shots tend to hit you even when it shoots them in opposite direction.
Cool, I can use a palate cleanser after Crash.
3D Blast Genesis is the best soundtrack in Sonic