>costumer
Is there a clearer tell for an ESL shitter?
you guys might not know this but it's really important to todd that you're wearing some kind of costume while playing skyrim for the nth time. the same will be true for starfield.
Or people who try and explain how people out themselves as ESLs while completely fricking up and showing they don't understand the shortcuts and shorthand built into english.
https://www.wikihow.com/Clearer-or-More-Clear >Although English grammar rules do say that “clearer” is the grammatically correct version,
So $60 would've been doable, but $70 is just completely outside the realm of possibility? Skip a meal homosexual.
new vidya has cost $70 since the 90s
fricking brokies man, games should cost MORE if anything....
why do you all shill so hard for giving more money to mega corporations who don't care about you? do you also shill to have your wages or salaries lowered under the logic that it'll help your boss better afford his vacation in the maldives or something?
It not shilling for a corporation to point out that you have no business buying a video game if spending $70 might cause you to go without food for any given period of time.
fair point but do you believe that games should cost more than 70 dollars on release? also more and more games are keeping their launch price for longer and longer. asscreed valhalla, code vein, dark souls 3, fricking dark souls 2, nioh, nioh 2, sekiro, etc are all games that are at least 3 years old and still cost upwards of 50.00 USD (on steam). point is that strategy of waiting for a drop might not ever come, or you'll end up waiting longer than before, when games used to permanently drop their value around a year after release.
So they can pump out more games, if making video games was more profitable we'd get better games. $1000 per game should be enough.
bad bait.
stay broke
stay sucking corporate dick.
I'm not shilling anything. Fact remains that the cost of games hasn't kept pace with inflation in the last 30 years. DLC and MtX aside, anyway. So I really don't give a frick. I'm not some damn hobo that's going to go bankrupt if they raise the price of games 15% when bread has gone up 300% in the last year.
I mean if you've got bigger things to worry about than the price of vidya I hear you loud and clear, but you don't want to actually see a price hike, do you?
no you don't, corporate dick sucker. all you have is corporate apologetics in the form of a dick hanging out your mouth and the balls resting on your chin. not a good look, amigo.
don't open this image if you're poor
the sales are how they get you. yeah, you can buy a game for 15 dollars on sale, but for the rest of the fricking year the game is set at full retail price. why is it that they do this? just speculating, but could it be that they want to monitor a game's lifetime performance, not to mention consumer behavior, to best prepare understand when to sell X game at Y price point in order to maximize sales? they do nothing for you that doesn't also benefit them in some way. datamining and analytics were a mistake.
I play skyrim naked.
hot.
it's not shilling, it's just stating the fact that we're not poorgays so we don't give a shit. you, being a poorgay (and thus a weak frick loser with a weak frick loser mindset), merely perceive anyone not actively advocating for the interest of weak frick losers like yourself as someone "shilling" for the people you believe to be preventing you from getting what you want.
fact is though, the only person preventing you from fulfilling your desires is you. maybe put forth more effort and generally do better in life and you too can be at the bare-minimum level of adult success that lets you view 60 bucks and 70 bucks as essentially the same.
what the frick are you talking about? let's say, hypothetically, that you're a fricking moron who makes baseless accusations. let's say I actually CAN afford to pay 70 dollars for a video game. that puts you and I in the same category. there - we can both afford it. now I ask you, do you really want to pay MORE for something like that and for no real reason? explain to me the reasoning behind such a price hike. please, I want to understand.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>explain to me the reasoning behind such a price hike.
it's been explained in the thread already, so it's clear you don't want to understand, but the fact is that games have stayed at the same price point since the 90s. less, even, I remember genesis games that were 80 bucks. meanwhile literally everything else costs more and the dollar is worth less.
like, are you fricking moronic? does basic math elude you? fricking poorgays I swear.
by the way, everyone can tell you can't afford games at 70 because nobody who can throws a tantrum about it. nobody likes paying more but we're not moronic and we can spare an extra ten bucks so we don't b***h and moan like you're doing.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you can't afford it, then pirate it. It's a win-win. You get the game, and they get free advertising when you talk about it, especially if you liked it. They lose nothing, because you couldn't have bought it anyway.
9 months ago
Anonymous
oh is that when prices werent really standardized? because my entire life from the ps1 on the standard was 50$ which is why there was such outcry when they attempted to move the standard to 60$. they even used to release the same game on consoles for 60 and 50 for pc because they wouldn't take it at first. now the standard is 70, plus dlc, plus battlepass, season pass, in game cosmetics at 25 a piece, lootboxes, in game currencies etc etc etc.kys
9 months ago
Anonymous
oh my god games went up 20 dollars over 30 years oh the horror! and they added optional shit you're in no way required to buy oh my god it's terrible! suck my dick, poor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
they think calling people poorgays lights up some Black person desire to be new money moronic with spending with no budget. don't let it work on you, they're just dishonest piece of shit homosexuals. nothing to write home about
9 months ago
Anonymous
>new money moronic with spending with no budget
cope. a ten dollar bump in game prices makes no noticeable difference for my allocated discretionary spending.
enjoy being poor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say shit about your "allocated discretionary spending" you fricking sheltered homosexual, I said calling people poorgays is a common shill tactic to try and get people to spend money on a game clearly asking more than its worth. but keep simply doing it over and over again you one note pussy
9 months ago
Anonymous
lmfao I don't give a frick what you spend your money on, you moronic narcissist, ditto all your fellow poorgays whining about a ten dollar bump after 15+ years at 60. buy the games or don't, I do not care one way or the other.
people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>feel less bad when tyrone rolls you for your duckets
9 months ago
Anonymous
ducats*
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have no clue what the frick you're babbling about
to be clear, this is not an invitation to explain it
>people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
post bank account homosexual I literally don't believe you have money
why would I give a frick what you believe? you go ahead and cope however you need to and I'll enjoy living a comfortable lifestyle
9 months ago
Anonymous
sure you will homosexual. try not to go to crazy with cosmetic surgery when you inevitably transition. it's a slippery slope and people who can afford it tend to really slip.
9 months ago
Anonymous
absolutely nobody mentioned trannies but here you are frothing at the mouth about imagined troons. rent-free.
get a frickin life my god. start with a job. a real one, not jockeying a register at some bullshit drive-thru
9 months ago
Anonymous
>rent-free
lmfao I'm never gonna take advice from a fricking zoomer I'll tell you that. Why are you wasting your energy you fricking moron?
9 months ago
Anonymous
nobody mentioned zoomers either. again, rent-free.
I'm in my mid-thirties, and you should be glad of that. if someone a decade younger than me were out-earning me and laughing at my handwringing over an extra ten bucks for a video game I believe I'd have to kill myself. you probably lack the spine to do that, but it would do a number on you mentally regardless.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you are seriously in your mid thirties and say things like >rent free
and you mean it >unironically
you should stop being so >disingenuous
and >kys
Look, I know the >optics
of something like that might be hard to >cope
with for your loved ones but I don't think it would be very >charitable
of me to lie to you and tell you you shouldn't.
9 months ago
Anonymous
imagine getting this triggered by how other people choose to use language. Your life is probably wildly pathetic. I can't imagine this level of bitterness and cynicism developing in a person who has their shit together to even the most mild degree
9 months ago
Anonymous
I get it, you saw my post and you regularly use all of those zoomer streamer words and it hurt your feelings. I don't care homosexual, go back to /reddit where that sad excuse for a comeback belonds
9 months ago
Anonymous
I get it, you make shit up to cope with your pathetic life
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm running circles around you lmao >cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'll let you have the win, you clearly need it more than I ever will lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll let you have the win
I accept your weak pussy ass concession. 😀
9 months ago
Anonymous
enjoy it anon, I know it's the highlight of your week 🙂
9 months ago
Anonymous
there's such a thing as losing graciously you entitled homosexual. Take the >L
and move on, it's already over. You're just embarrassing yourself >Verification not required
9 months ago
Anonymous
its OK anon. I'm just glad I was able to supply you with a rare moment of joy. enjoy your internet win, anon, I know it means so much to you 🙂
9 months ago
Anonymous
Believe me, I am 😀
9 months ago
Anonymous
>next time you get stolen from, the level of sympathy will fall as you have shown yourself to be a dumb c**t wasting resources for the sake if it anyway.
Shame if they pull out the guillotine.
9 months ago
Anonymous
again, that was not an invitation to explain it
9 months ago
Anonymous
Did i give the impression I do anything based on your level of desirability?
9 months ago
Anonymous
you give the impression that you are incredibly bad at english
9 months ago
Anonymous
>can't detect the difference between typos and bad english
You're not even close to intelligent enough to make that accusation.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's not typos, it's the fact that you structure sentences like a moron pretending to be a smart person
9 months ago
Anonymous
The sentence structure is fine if you follow the context. You don't and lack the cognitive flexibility to understand anything outside your own projection. You're a moron who is offended you aren't talked down to. Which makes you doubly moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's pretty clear you're not talking down to me. to sell that impression you'd have to get me to buy into the fiction that you are actually above me in any way
truth is you're just kind of moronic, and not half the linguist you think you are
9 months ago
Anonymous
>its pretty clear I'm talking down to you.
Did you think that happened before or after you acted the fool? >Above you in any way
Ignoring for the moment my ego wanting me to agree just because it vexes you and you sound sorely in need of that, I know nothing about you, how could i make that claim based on any fact apart from that which you've revealed? >half the linguist I think I am
It speaks more to your projection that you thought it entered into my mind until you brought it up.
Put it this way, I've nothing to prove to you, nothing to gain should i "prove it to you", no way to even figure out if I've indeed proved it to you.. so what's my motivation here?
This pedestrian shit about linguistics is your party, I'm just indulging you because I've nothing better to do.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you couldn't even quote the first line correctly. you inverted my statement.
way to out yourself for having a brain that fails at basic comprehension. you've proven my point. I didn't read a word of your post past the first line.
enjoy moronation.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>thinking implying is the same as quoting
It obviously bothered you enough to get mad about. You turned it into this whole thing.
Don't worry anon, I'll be here with you every step until you figure out how to cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
I honestly have no idea what the frick you're babbling about.
as before, this is not an invitation to explain it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sort of proving my point there.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't and lack the cognitive flexibility to understand anything outside your own projection.
This might be the most fat atheist neckbeard fedora redditor comment I've ever seen on Ganker
9 months ago
Anonymous
I think it's funny when you attempt to paint a ridiculous image in order to obfuscate the fact you're intimidated by simple words. Because that's all it was. But you for some reason, have turned them into a challenge to you and assumed that i gave an entire frick about trying to intimidate you like you even register as that important to me and that this is anything other than just a courtesy response.
9 months ago
Anonymous
nobody is intimidated, it's just painfully obvious to anyone not trying to appear smarter than they are that that is exactly what you're doing when you type like that. It literally paints a giant target on your face that says "I am a fricking moron trying to sound superior" >obfuscate
I rest my case kys
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not intimidated >STOP TRYING TO SOUND SO SMART WAAAH
Okay champ. >obfuscate
You literally have access to Google. Learn a word maybe?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know what it means. Everyone knows what it means. It's been in the twitch lexicon for years. You are not smart homosexual lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
>commonly known word >apparently uncommon to use
Do you hear yourself, seriously? Is just a fricking word. The only person attaching any significance, intellectually or otherwise, is you. My only mistake was not using babbie words so it didn't fluster you. And why did i do that? Not assuming you're an idiot. But thanks for clearing that up for me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>babbie
literally doesn't know how to spell baby. I fricking told you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>intentional misspelling a word to emphasise the infant nature of it.
Babbie want a bottle? Mean internet words make you angwy? Aww.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That was a classic meme reference, fool.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>babby
couldn't even spell that right
9 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, you're arguing with a literal child. Unable to play at your level, he kicked over the board in a tantrum.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>warhammer 40gay fan
Explains everything
9 months ago
Anonymous
>homosexual on Ganker
High ground is more of a gentle slope isn't it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lol you haven't posted your balance. Why do broke homies larp as rich people and get so sour? There's nothing wrong with being broke, but being a dumb bastard who spends his $23/hr impulsively, like yourself, is shameful. You have amde an embarrassment of yourself ITT. The rope awaits you, Troon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
post bank account homosexual I literally don't believe you have money
>post your bank account on Ganker in order to debate with a bunch of autists over $23/hour being somehow poverty wages
el oh el
9 months ago
Anonymous
screenshot checking account balance, crop out details in microsoft paint, win argument completely. never seems to happen though
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah gee I wonder why people aren't posting screenshots of their personal banking info to win a debate against autists on a mongolian shitposting board that never concede anything lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
I guess if I were actually a poorgay larping as someone with money, this would sting, but honestly it's pretty funny. sort of like a moronic puppy banging its head against a sliding glass door two or three times in a row
9 months ago
Anonymous
>sort of like a moronic puppy banging its head against a sliding glass door two or three times in a row
Whhhhhooooooaaaaaaa buddy, calm down with the edgy posts now
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mommy money dont count, troony
Keep eating your cheetos while your fat mother pay all your bills, rich people dont brag
9 months ago
Anonymous
>people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
post bank account homosexual I literally don't believe you have money
9 months ago
Anonymous
>in no way required to buy
In other words, don't complain when these gay companies cut up and make our games objectively worse in an attempt to manipulate us and to nickel and dime us to death?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>this fact alone is justification for a price hike?
yes, you fricking moron, because again: the dollar is worth less than it was back then.
you are too moronic for me to even consider wasting my time on another (You). enjoy poverty. die slow.
The price of video games isn't pegged to inflation you dumbass. Movie tickets and Blurays don't cost 30% more than they did 10 years ago
9 months ago
Anonymous
you're moronic, movie tickets and home video absolutely have risen in price since the 90s
9 months ago
Anonymous
>10 years ago >the 90s
moron
9 months ago
Anonymous
>why is it that they do this?
it's not a scheme for analytics, price discrimination is like the oldest fricking thing ever
if you're some impoverished indian driving a shitheap taxi for a living and a bald white tourist gets in you're gonna charge him 10x what you charge another indian because you know he's got the money, and he'll be fine with it because it's still 100x cheaper than what he'd have paid back home
the same general concept can apply to any business, and a big way it's done these days (apart from selling argentinians everything for 50 cents) is to lower the price sporadically. the guys who wouldn't buy it at $60 might very well buy it later at $30, getting you money from them you don't otherwise get, and the people who were willing to pay $60 are gonna buy it day one so they can play it without having to wait several months for it to go on sale
9 months ago
Anonymous
interesting, now how does the fact that, with digital distribution, they have infinite supply factor into this equation? I guess, they have some degree of manufacturing costs because they'll release physical copies on whatever console hardware is currently on the market, but digital obscures physical at this point, so my best guess is that they'd justify any extra revenue by positing that they're recouping costs accrued for physical manufacture, but there's no way that they're not making straight profit, like at least 70% or more, from their digital copies, after manufacture expenses are accounted for.
>you don't want to actually see a price hike, do you?
Of course not. But that doesn't mean I can't see when it's justified. I'm not a cheerleader for paying more for shit. But I won't feel like I'm getting assfricked, either, since I can understand where they're coming from. Now, paying $23 for a pound of ground beef - that's an unlubricated assfricking.
It not shilling for a corporation to point out that you have no business buying a video game if spending $70 might cause you to go without food for any given period of time.
Hobbies reflect the demographic.
The people that don't play golf don't b***h about the price of clubs and memberships into gold courses, because it's a rich person's hobby.
Video games are for people that can't travel, are mostly below the age of 25, with most being children. If you expect this demographic to have money for $90 games when our economy is reaching 1930s depression era nonsense you're a fricking moron.
>If you expect this demographic to have money for $90 games when our economy is reaching 1930s depression era nonsense you're a fricking moron.
The factory I work at started me off at $23 an hour with no previous metal works experience (which is pretty good for this area). Not my problem if these morons who were dumb enough to get jobs working retail or fast food where they don't get paid shit are struggling. Excuse me while I enjoy the rest of my three day weekend since I work a 10x4 schedule while you broke Black folk work one part time job 3 days a week and then another part time job 4 days a week.
and how much money do you have after bills every month? you're living so fricking close to poverty it isn't even funny and you know it deep down, and you're talking shit to people? lmfao
9 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I save about a grand or two a month. and that's with a mortgage and plenty of discretionary spending on luxuries like vidya and dining out.
it is genuinely not that hard to do well. quit being a b***h and do better.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you're making 23 an hour you're making something like 3 grand a month after taxes. you are certainly fricking not saving a grand or two with a mortgage and plenty of discretionary spending on luxuries like vidya and dining out you fricking moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
do you not know what NTA means or are you being moronic on purpose
9 months ago
Anonymous
maybe he's got more than one household income?
>explain to me the reasoning behind such a price hike.
it's been explained in the thread already, so it's clear you don't want to understand, but the fact is that games have stayed at the same price point since the 90s. less, even, I remember genesis games that were 80 bucks. meanwhile literally everything else costs more and the dollar is worth less.
like, are you fricking moronic? does basic math elude you? fricking poorgays I swear.
by the way, everyone can tell you can't afford games at 70 because nobody who can throws a tantrum about it. nobody likes paying more but we're not moronic and we can spare an extra ten bucks so we don't b***h and moan like you're doing.
> games have stayed at the same price point since the 90s
and? this fact alone is justification for a price hike? are you moronic? this isn't the basis for an argument, this is just some fact that potentially could be used to make an argument but I guess you're too lazy or inept to do that. ok, I understand. >nobody likes paying more
that in and of itself is enough that you and I, as consumers, should be on the same page, then. >we can spare an extra ten bucks so we don't b***h and moan like you're doing
whether you can spare the extra 10 or not, it's still not really justified beyond, "everything else is more expensive, so why shouldn't vidya be?" while conveniently ignoring the fact that DLC, microtransactions and other revenue streams already supplement sales more than enough to cover costs and keep any given game on a drip feed of cash for long after its release.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>maybe he's got more than one household income?
then his point is completely lost
9 months ago
Anonymous
>this fact alone is justification for a price hike?
yes, you fricking moron, because again: the dollar is worth less than it was back then.
you are too moronic for me to even consider wasting my time on another (You). enjoy poverty. die slow.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the dollar is worth less than it was back then
no shit, idiot. what's your point? you increase the price you're going to decrease potential sales. that's how supply and demand works. any price hike is cynically done for the sake of more revenue. that revenue doesn't go to the devs, it goes to the investors/publishers/CEOs. that money isn't going to be used to make a better product, it's going to be used so people like andrew wilson can get his 10th vacation home. you think these sweatshop running publishers give two shits about their development teams, or making you a better game? >b-but the game cost 100 million dollars to make!!!
they wouldn't have set that price point as their budget if they couldn't afford to absorb that as a loss. are you really going to tell me that we as consumers should subsidize moronic industry practices like stupid as frick marketing campaigns and whatever other bullshit money is spent on that has nothing to do with development?
>you and I, as consumers, should be on the same page
nah most people are mature and realistic enough to understand why things they don't like might be justified
so explain why it might be justified, and don't just say "because inflation" because that's not good enough.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>no shit, idiot. what's your point?
wow, you're actually too moronic to be having this conversation
no wonder you're a failure with no money
9 months ago
Anonymous
if you're not going to engage then shut the frick up and leave this thread you bloody fricking moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
tell you what, cashapp me 70 bucks and I'll go away
oh wait
9 months ago
Anonymous
you won't go away, so that'd be a bad investment. besides, you're not even worth a response, but since you're such a greedy bawd for attention, here you go, kiddo. another (you). please have a nice day later on, ok?
9 months ago
Anonymous
tell you what, cashapp me 70 and I'll kill myself
oh wait
9 months ago
Anonymous
>wow, you're actually too moronic to be having this conversation
He literally raped you
>no wonder you're a failure with no money >poorgay!
see? every single time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>explain why it's justified >don't say "because the exact justification" because that's not good enough
you possess neither the critical thinking skills nor the intellectual honesty to be worth talking to
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you and I, as consumers, should be on the same page
nah most people are mature and realistic enough to understand why things they don't like might be justified
9 months ago
Anonymous
it's not justified
9 months ago
Anonymous
it is tho, you're just a pissbaby
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, no.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you're making something like 3 grand a month after taxes
That's still higher than median income for individuals in the US
If someone making that much still can't afford vidya then the industry is fricking doomed
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Real median household income was $70,784 in 2021
70,784 / 52 = 1361.2307
i.e. you need to hit 1360 net a week to make that, which means your gross will be higher, somewhere like 1500 gross to absorb the losses by deductions.
23.hr x 40 = 920 gross; 920 x 52 = 47,840 before deductions. so yeah that's not really higher than the median income, unless you're using other numbers that say otherwise, but I got that statistic from here: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-276.html
9 months ago
Anonymous
>household income
That post explicitly states *individual* income, not combined incomes under one household. Learn to fricking read.
9 months ago
Anonymous
alright alright my bad no need to get pissy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Since when is $23/hour full time even close to poverty?
9 months ago
Anonymous
since you can barely afford the cost of living independently on it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
But he can. Saving money by living with others isn't the same as living anywhere close to poverty.
>Bragging about $23 an hour when a store brand loaf of bread is $4
9 months ago
Anonymous
It was supposed to be $10 by now. Where are the breadlines? >just two more weeks
9 months ago
Anonymous
Pre-rona a shitty loaf of bread was less than a dollar. Someone on minimum wage could buy more loafs of bread an hour a few years ago than anon making $23 an hour.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So you think inflation has risen over 400% since the pandemic? lmao
People reject factory works because they drug test you every week. I met people that say cocaine is a "medicaI prescription" I don't care If you have a prescription or anything like that. I enjoy collect urine and ruin your fun. If there is an issue with your test, you are a douchebag
9 months ago
Anonymous
People reject factory work because it pays poorly more often than not, and even when it doesn't the conditions are shit compared to what you could be doing for marginally less money if not even more. That's why they're hiring teenagers to do the grunt work.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Factory works are too easy, just press a button for move a Kuka's robot arm and that robot create whatever shit in the CNC. You get money by babysitting the robot, but people are mad because they cant smoke drugs and babysitting in the same turn.
They just buy whatever processed garbage you can find at the supermarket or shitty fast food. American families aren't going out to dinner regularly for $90 a pop
No, most families only eat crap from fast food places, the idea of "the average joe only eat freshly prepared food" is obsolete
9 months ago
Anonymous
>implying most factory jobs are shit like cnc operator >implying most cnc operators are making over $40/hour
It's pretty telling how people Ganker went from shilling STEM to conservitards shilling the "trades" now even though they have no fricking clue what they're talking about.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I work in a warehouse that offers 100k positions for maintenance mechanics.
Lower end machine operators make only slightly less.
401k is 25% match.
This is all with no college education.
And pretty much ever warehouse in the area offers the same wages.
If you live in bumfrick nowhere then move to a place with jobs.
Put in the effort and you will be rewarded.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>401k is 25% match.
awooga
are you sure they didn't say 2.5%?
9 months ago
Anonymous
nevermind i forgot it was the boomer poster and he's making shit up
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I work in a warehouse that offers 100k positions for maintenance mechanics 401k is 25% match >starting with no experience or education >just work harder bro >just move bro
Bait or moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
>25% 401k match >for being a machinist >100k for maintenance mechanics
I don't believe you. you're a god damn liar. that isn't a real 100k position, you just do dirty math to get that so it's 'technically' true and you an advertise it to dopes who're otherwise unaware of your fudging of the math. on top of that, your golden boy examples who you love to trot out to potential hires represent the top 5% of people in that role making near to those projected numbers. you're disingenuous and you know it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>just press a button for move a Kuka's robot arm and that robot create whatever shit in the CNC
Some factories involve a lot more manual work than that. I worked briefly on an assembly line for that protein powder shit once. The only thing automated was the conveyor belt. Manually screwing lids onto tubs of protein powder for 8 hours straight and then coming in tomorrow to do it all again and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that and so on is not easy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? Supermarkets sell heavily processed food and I literally said they eat at fast food places. Do you think taking the average american family is spending $90 every day to eat at mcdonalds?
9 months ago
Anonymous
You are a disingenuous poster and you know it. Frick back off to the weebgay cave.
it's not shilling, it's just stating the fact that we're not poorgays so we don't give a shit. you, being a poorgay (and thus a weak frick loser with a weak frick loser mindset), merely perceive anyone not actively advocating for the interest of weak frick losers like yourself as someone "shilling" for the people you believe to be preventing you from getting what you want.
fact is though, the only person preventing you from fulfilling your desires is you. maybe put forth more effort and generally do better in life and you too can be at the bare-minimum level of adult success that lets you view 60 bucks and 70 bucks as essentially the same.
lol I make 76 dollarydoos an hour, I don't even think about purchases less than 50 anymore.
Which do I buy, btw
I'm not shilling anything. Fact remains that the cost of games hasn't kept pace with inflation in the last 30 years. DLC and MtX aside, anyway. So I really don't give a frick. I'm not some damn hobo that's going to go bankrupt if they raise the price of games 15% when bread has gone up 300% in the last year.
Isn't that the price of a can of soup over there?
Look after your family first man
Cost of living has increased with the inflation and then some, and wages have stagnated worse than video games. People are paying 5x they normally would on groceries. Rent has increased. Now video games are getting a 25% increase and you think people won't complain? Mother frick why are you homosexuals so disingenuous.
Again, no one said it was awesome. Just that it's within reason. Idiots that can't bend enough to look at the other side's viewpoint should keep their mouth's shut. Just because something doesn't benefit me, doesn't mean it's not fair.
>games need to cost more because of inflation >inflation is the only thing that matters >wages have stagnated >it's insanely more expensive to live now than it was then >but inflation is the only thing that matters >developer wages wont go up >they wont pull back on dlc >MTXs and other practices wont become more ethical >CEOs and Shareholders will make more money >that's the only 'positive' consequence >but this entirely unmasked corporate greed, somehow, is something that isn't disgusting because 'inflation' is the only thing that matters
The view you pretend to have in order to feel measured and reasonable is fundamentally ignorant of reality. It's entirely disingenuous. The extra 10 bucks isn't going anywhere but the top and you fricking know it. You're slime.
it's not shilling, it's just stating the fact that we're not poorgays so we don't give a shit. you, being a poorgay (and thus a weak frick loser with a weak frick loser mindset), merely perceive anyone not actively advocating for the interest of weak frick losers like yourself as someone "shilling" for the people you believe to be preventing you from getting what you want.
fact is though, the only person preventing you from fulfilling your desires is you. maybe put forth more effort and generally do better in life and you too can be at the bare-minimum level of adult success that lets you view 60 bucks and 70 bucks as essentially the same.
It's not shilling to point out that if $10 is all that stands between you and being unable to afford rent + food then you shouldn't be spending any money on videogames because you clearly have bigger problems at hand.
If I am interested in an AAA slop game (which is rare now) I buy the GOTY edition a few years after it released on sale for dirt cheap. I haven't bought a AAA game at full price in 8 years.
why everyone think $70 is a lot of money. People spend $90 usd in shitty food of a restaurand or in drugs, $70 for a videogame that last years is a great invest
They just buy whatever processed garbage you can find at the supermarket or shitty fast food. American families aren't going out to dinner regularly for $90 a pop
>even at $70, video games are a hell of a bargain.
AAA games, yes. I look at it in terms of how much I'm spending per hour. MMOs, for example, at $15/month for hundreds of hours is a sweet fricking deal. Bethesda shit is always guaranteed at least 500 hours for about $150 (including DLC and such), so 25cents an hour. Again, not bad at all. But indie shit that costs $40 and only has 20 hours or less of content? Yeah, that's why I have a Pirate Bay bookmark.
Games cost $90 in leafland. I tried buying armored core but fricking..felt like I should have only paid $30 for that piece of shit, so I returned it.
I just can't be assed to spend $100 on a single video game.
It's crazy how you'll be able to play the Empress edition for $0 5 days early. How generous of Bethesda to give this option to those of us that don't feel like paying 120AUD for a broken game. Has OP though about playing this version?
>120AUD
Try 170 with season pass. If you're not pirating it and waiting for a sale on GOTY before shelling out cash you're an idiot. I'll be getting it with my new card, so whatever. Point being it's moronic buying anything that isn't actually tangible and physical. That they and EVERYONE is charging these kinds of shit prices for digital nothing is comical.
Other than Sunset Overdrive, what is slop there? Stanley Parable and Surgeon are slop but they were gifted and or bought on sale for my sister back in 2011-2012 or so.
Not to mention all these games were probably a couple dollars on sale, maximum
I've been been buying from keysites for years and never had any issue >Steam has and will revoke licenses
Going to have to ask you to please cite your source and give me 1 real example of a game being revoked from someone's account, specifically due to being obtained through a key site.
9 months ago
Anonymous
a simple Google search, or steams website itself.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/029B-6D58-6EE6-1D7A
9 months ago
Anonymous
I asked for you to show a specific example, not show the bullshit in their legal terms you dumbass
9 months ago
Anonymous
this is not a legal document or a Eula, that are literally telling you that they revoked cdkeys obtained from third party sites, it's a FAQ about people asking about their revoked games. not legal speak.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ok if they've done it and it happens then you should be able to easily find an example of somebody posting that it happened to them, right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
yes, there is plenty of examples on Google and steam themselves saying they've done it
9 months ago
Anonymous
Where? Not seeing anything after extensive googling.
if it's a stolen credit card and the owner does a chargeback on all purchases after it was stolen, it can absolutely be removed from your account because the person who actually paid for it got a refund
Prove it, as I asked the other fellow you are gonna have to show some specific examples
9 months ago
Anonymous
prove steam punishes fraud?
how dumb are you?
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/029B-6D58-6EE6-1D7A >The CD Key you used to activate the game was revoked by the publisher of the game. This can happen, for example, when the CD Key is intended for a limited time activation, like a Beta, or if the publisher determines that the CD Key itself had been obtained by fraudulent means.
9 months ago
Anonymous
he's just trolling there's 100s of examples online either wants it spoon fed or he's moronic/trolling
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dude, please post a single one of these examples if there are hundreds
You're too fricking moronic to see that its just bs pr on steams end and they have never given a shit about third party key sites
Ok thank you for giving some real examples
I've never had it happen personally and will continue to advocate for using them since it saves money, but I'll admit there is a small risk (almost non-existant)
And besides the worst that happens is I re-buy the game on Steam and maybe get my money back through CDkeys
9 months ago
Anonymous
I buy from them too, but stuffing your head in the dirt and saying keys never get revoked is moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Seems extremely rare, even in the cases you posted that is hardly any
Also you can tell some sites are shadier than others. CDkeys is one of, if not the most reliable out there
9 months ago
Anonymous
CDKeys absolutely is not reliable, they've repeatedly been caught selling keys bought with stolen credit cards
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah sure buddy here's where you post another article with a vague example of a moron who probably did a charge back on his own card
I've been using it for years and never had a single issue, in hundreds of cases
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, I'm asking you to find a specific example of what they threaten through their FAQ. I've legitimately tried to find someone posting about a game they've had revoked through steam due to it being from a third party website and I can't
lol sure
I promise I'm not BSing, I'm going out of my way to look. Closest I've found was this and it ended up being a mistake on Bethesdas part and the guy got the game back https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/ym0v8s/steam_removed_my_old_game_that_was_purchased_not/
9 months ago
Anonymous
alright, good troll
you got me kid
9 months ago
Anonymous
Whatever moron. Enjoy spending your $70
I just beat Armored Core 6 on steam, guess how much that cost me? $46
Too bad you're a pussy or you'd save some money
You have a small chance on some sites like G2A or Kinguin where other people are reselling through them. CDkeys doesn't have other sellers though, it's all legit.
How many people here have actually bought a $70 game at launch? That's the worst possible experience. Overpaying for what it is most likely a broken game rather than waiting for a deal when a patch comes out.
$70 is bad because it's a slippery slope, soon we're going to be at $80-90 games. The market is way larger than it was and games are relatively easier to produce now. Maybe cut back on your bloated production costs and you might be able to produce THREE whole games a decade instead of two instead of just raising the price of each one.
But anyway if you can't afford food you have bigger problems to worry about than $70 bethesda games. I'm literally on food stamps myself and I never buy full priced games because they're too expensive. I always wait years before I buy them. You can't just be poor and also play shitty AAA video games on release. Theres thousands of cheaper video games you could play right now while you wait on your AAA slop to go on sale for $10.
The distant past >$49.99 for game (cheaper on pc and sometimes more on nintendo consoles)
The past >$59.99 for the game + x number of $9.99 dlcs
The recent past >$59.99 for the game + $7.99 for day one dlc + $2.99 for premium loot box and $1.99 for standard loot box + $9.99 for skins + $15.99 for dlc
Today >$69.99 for the game + $19.99 for the season pass (needs to be rebought up to four times a year) + $29.99 for the deluxe season pass + $19.99 for a single skin (there are hundreds of skins)
This is nonsense games make more money than ever and they'll have you believe they are all starving artists.
damn it's almost like games cost more to make than they did when the height of the medium was 16-bit pixel graphics and bleepbloops
it's almost like it takes larger teams all of whom make far larger salaries due to the increase in cost of living
nah frick that actually, reasonable explanations mean nothing next to your entitlement
>AAA games cost 10 times more to make than they did 10-20 years ago >still worse than indie games made for $20 and a green lollipop
maybe they should look into reducing budgets and making games people actually want to pay for
The triple A industry really has brainwashed you. Good games have good gameplay and the amount of money it takes produce it is irrelevant. Just because a dev spent more to make a game doesn't make it good. See all the failed current gen games out there.
>Marketing, the board and various other positions of nobody justifying their continued existence
Indiechads can make a single game that sells a million copies and be set for the next few years with a sequel. Compare that to a AAAslop producer and it will barely cover the operating costs of the month alone.
>operating costs >them giant tax sink gay factories they and all the esports team insist on building >marketing parties costing hundreds and thousands for them to all circle jerk each other >3 marketing consultants for everyone 1 code/designer
Can't half tell why all of them are insufferable c**ts
Just come back in 5 years, Bethesda games are never worth it at launch and by then they'll have all the DLC that people lie and say saves the game (it never does) in a GOTY bundle for $10.
He's right about what? The only reason 70 dollars would be a problem is because the game offers less than 70 hours of quality content. Outside of what contr/a/ritroons on Ganker say, Bethesda's main studio in Maryland which not responsible for Fallout 76 which was made by a separate studio in Austin has consistently been delivering games that have several hundred hours worth of quality GOTY tier content.
Looking at my playtime with Bethesda games often exceeding 300 hours and in some cases reaching 600-1000 they're giving me over 10x the return on investment I give them.
If Starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it.
>GUYS LOOK AT ME >I HAVE SAID SOMETHING CONTRARIAN AGAINST BETHESDA DO I FIT IN YET?
>The only reason 70 dollars would be a problem is because the game offers less than 70 hours of quality content
how do you quantify that? yeah, you can sink 1000 hours in skyrim, raiding your upteenth draugr/bandit/falmer/vampire/den with the same exact puzzles and level design. does that mean it's worth doing? >if starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it
a fool and his money are easily parted.
If something is fun to do why wouldn't you do it over and over again, especially if you're making progress doing said thing over and over again.
Why do we eat, have sex, or abuse substances over and over again in some cases when we really don't need to, especially with the latter?
You can be contrarian and say you don't like the game that is almost universally praised and sold over 60 million copies and appeals to just about everyone but, it won't you objectively correct.
alright, todd. you win. I do like being able to climb mountains that I can see. but don't act like, after a certain amount of investment, it's not a waste of time that couldn't be better spent on anything else. basically, your mountain climbing simulator has diminishing returns, just like sex, food, and substances. in the case of those things, though, they're driven by chemical addiction in the brain - dopamine and serotonin, a wienertail of physiological effects taking place. while this is also true for video games, it's not on the same level.
tell you what, cashapp me 70 and I'll kill myself
oh wait
you won't go away, so that'd be a bad investment. besides, you're not even worth a response, but since you're such a greedy bawd for attention, here you go, kiddo. another (you). please have a nice day later on, ok?
>The only reason 70 dollars would be a problem is because the game offers less than 70 hours of quality content
how do you quantify that? yeah, you can sink 1000 hours in skyrim, raiding your upteenth draugr/bandit/falmer/vampire/den with the same exact puzzles and level design. does that mean it's worth doing? >if starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it
a fool and his money are easily parted.
I did spend 300 primarily for Starfield my gaming laptop only has 6gb vram so I bought an s with Starfield included on Newegg I’ll probably play some other slop too like FIFA the show and modern warfare I’m pretty casual these days besides for civilization and EUIV on the laptop I don’t play much
Oh no! He's being priced out of his hedonistic lifestyle by real world needs, how terrible! We have to make the government bigger in order to save this man!
By all reason game dev should be cheaper than ever with the tools they have access to that make the old tools look like sticks and rocks but its not because teams are bloated, filled with diversity hires and moronic web devs, and marketing budgets are out of control. Despite the bloated budgets games are more profitable than ever but cattle will say we should pay more because mr.moneybags says he's struggling while making $60 million a year.
No, making us pay more is not justified. If they really want to cut costs they should debloat by firing the dead weight. Hire small teams of competent artists and programmers like teams in the old days and don't spend tens of millions getting celebrities in your games just to speak three lines. Hiring 30 competent programmers at 150k a year makes a fricking lot more sense than 500 code monkeys at $65k a year. Why does a company like Treyarch need 600+ employees? It makes no sense.
This, you take a look at any dev team these days and its filled with unnecessary job positions, and they're usually paid more than the people actually putting work into making the game, too. It's full of fricking bureaucratic make-work.
After so many complaints I'm starting to think we're arriving at the real reason they're raising prices: the market can bear it but it means less games in total get sold
Remember the storage space wars and the attention economy? Move that to the side a bit because here comes people who have figured out exhausting your gaming budget means their competition doesn't make any money
>the market can bear it but it means less games in total get sold >people have figured out exhausting your gaming budget means their competition doesn't make any money
that's pretty fricked up. smart, but fricked up. god damn this industry is fricked.
>first you bloat the game out to push the competition off the storage drive. Using the lowest common denominator of the Series S you have around 600 gigs to play around with before questions start getting asked or a hardware refresh is required >employ psychologist approved methods of control in the form of FOMO, timegated content, grindwalls, battlepasses, paid skips and social climbing incentives via skins and badges of honor >years of user metrics have given you insight into customer spending so now you can start tightening the noose around the majority while keeping the whales content in their hamster wheels
70$ US or 90$ CAD for a video game is indeed too much money. Which is why I will pirate or wait for it to be on sale 2 years from now after many patches. It's a Bethesda game after all, it'll be buggy as frick on launch so might as well wait for it to get beta tested by day 1 buyers.
HOW COULD YOU I AM LITERALLY STARVING OVER HERE EXPECTING ME TO PUT UP SEVENDEE DOLARRES WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT WHEN I GOTS PAY THE INTERNET BILL AND TEH ELECTRIC BILL HOW COULD YOU RAISE THE PRICE BY 10 BILLS ?? ? WHAT ABOUT US POOR PEOPLE?
I don't mind the $70 price tag. I either pirate, buy keys from sketchy sites or wait for sales. Before I purchase anything I have many other options to consider.
This isn't a videogames thing, if you look at trends no voluntary boycott of anything has been able to meaningfully impact the profit margins of the company in question, this isn't government sanctions we're talking about here.
What boycotts do accomplish is damage the reputation of companies.
This. Everytime I paid for a game in those recent years I regretted it, not only because of the high cost, but also and more importantly, because the quality was never matching the price in question.
So outside of some rare online only games (like RUST), I pirate all games. Those frickers does not deserve 1 cents from me.
>entertainment budget for the month is exactly $60 >can't just not buy a game one month and save for next month, required by law to buy one game per month >and now this
What strict limits? Taxes? It's true, taxes suck and is essentially theft after you earn a certain amount, but the top 10% pays like 60% of taxes in the US, and the bottom 50% pays essentially nothing, and I imaging those talking about starving and $70 games aren't paying much taxes.
Tell me, do Karl Marx's pubes taste like how his loyal followers smell? I ask because you seem to have had ample experience sucking his shriveled, besmegma'd wiener
Tell me, do Milton Friedman's pubes taste like how his loyal followers smell? I ask because you seem to have had ample experience sucking his shriveled, besmegma'd wiener
>single people can bargain on the same level of corporations with their lawyers on retainer, people who do this for a living as opposed to you who focus on your job
This is the moronation you're trying to convince me of
poorgays have been taught by the welfare state that sitting on their collective asses and b***hing gets similar results with less effort. unfortunately they all went to public schools so they don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to realize that this tactic doesn't work for luxury items like video games
The absolute irony of parroting reganite hack talking points and mindlessly whining about welfare while accusing others of lacking critical thinking skills
If you had money you'd hate the poor too. Bottom-feeding leeches, that's all you are. Always crying for daddy government to steal from the job creators to support your worthless hides, because you're too lazy or too stupid to go out an earn a real wage.
Really we should just eliminate welfare of all kinds and let the poors die off. You don't contribute to society, you starve in the streets, simple as.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How does it feel knowing without a shadow of a doubt the world would be a better place if your parents had aborted you
9 months ago
Anonymous
I couldn't tell you. I'm not poor, so I don't know what that feels like
9 months ago
Anonymous
you're poor and brown and smell like curry and BO and you know it
9 months ago
Anonymous
Bloody bastard do needful and buy gamepass sir
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm afraid I don't know any of that, ma'am.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes you do. Must burn you up inside, doesn't it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>always make this argument till they get caught embezzling, underpaying workers, or giving jobs to their friends, or cheating on their taxes, and then it's always "problem? xD" "is just economics bro"
Frick you, you're just projecting your own scummy behaviour on others because you're justifying your shitty power trip. People like you deserve the guillotines pre-emptively.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Good luck with that. The police are on our side, and they're militarized, so I don't expect you'll have much success with the guillotine
9 months ago
Anonymous
>our
Heh. You're the useful fodder. They aren't protecting you, moron. You're the one they're going to feed to the guillotines hoping that satisfies the anger.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cope. Police have never once been on the side of the poors.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like a leftist
9 months ago
Anonymous
I sound like someone who isn't moronic
if you think cops ever have aligned or ever will align with the interests of poors, you're moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I sound like someone who isn't moronic
Your posts show otherwise.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I sound like someone who isn't moronic >interests
9 months ago
Anonymous
>police are just more useful idiots like you sent to die so the strife doesn't reach the leeches who are the architect of that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
if you really are as rich as you pretend to be, you better watch yourself, saying shit like that. you're gonna fricking lynched one of these days, and deservedly, if this is how you really feel.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>implying
See
Good luck with that. The police are on our side, and they're militarized, so I don't expect you'll have much success with the guillotine
Hes got a private army. The boy is untouchable to the unwashed masses.
9 months ago
Anonymous
cope. delusional cope at that.
money can (and does!) buy more than enough muscle to make sure none of you disgusting poors ever gets close enough to do the lynching.
accept your lot in life. we won. go get a job.
Nice larp homosexual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh nooo Benchod is seething lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally who
9 months ago
Anonymous
apparently, it means sisterfricker in some brown middle eastern language. I had to look it up, so you're most likely talking to a pajeet who as we speak is shitting in the street and shitposting in this thread
9 months ago
Anonymous
bloody b***h bastard you bloody b***h
9 months ago
Anonymous
sounds about right
9 months ago
Anonymous
cope. delusional cope at that.
money can (and does!) buy more than enough muscle to make sure none of you disgusting poors ever gets close enough to do the lynching.
accept your lot in life. we won. go get a job.
So how much do US customers actually pay for new games typically then? Every other country in the world includes the tax in the price because they aren't moronic.
>priced out of my hobby
Stamp and coin collectors spend thousands of dollars just for a rare stamp or coin. .
You know, he doesn't have to buy every brand new game out there immediately from a studio like Bethesda. Sounds like entitlement and seething because he can't keep up with his FOMO.
>Stamp and coin collectors spend thousands of dollars just for a rare stamp or coin
do they really? what a poor use of money, unless those items retain their value and you wouldn't go hungry or skip payments or whatever without that cash. >he doesn't have to buy every brand new game out there immediately
true, but it's not about FOMO, it's about pushing back against these industry asshats trying to establish a new precedent.
The actual reason is they want fatter profit margins but morons on Ganker will try to argue it's inflation or development costs too much to cope with reality.
Extroverts are ruled by FOMO, if they aren't doing what everybody else is doing when they're doing it, they're not socialising, and it drives them insane.
Call of Duty was the most egregious example of this. "Here's the 42nd installment of this franchise, no different from the previous, but it's $70 lol" Frick off.
I looked up that thread and it's full of consoomers sucking Bethesda's wiener and defending the price tag. It's a sad world we live in, get ready for 80$ price tags.
>more voice lines than Skyrim and Fallout 4 combined >1000 planets >eight years of development time
Let’s talk about something that’s actually not worth $70
I know this thread was made by an OP thats disingenuous but the problem is still there. I feel like we are all in the same pot as consumers of this type of entertainment and somehow people goad about just how much more they are able to pay than others. I thought that as consumers we always strive to get something cheaper and the publishers are the ones who try to sell it for more money. We have reached a point where the consumer somehow brags about just how much more money he can give to the publisher instead of actively fighting back this practice. It is not the duty of the consumer to start spouting garbage like the inflation idea. If you really need to give more money to a publisher then just send them the money and thats that. But morons won't do that because they as well say that they won't pay more than they have to.. At the end of the day if you go meet your friends and you gloat about how you spent twice the money on a product they also bought they would just shame you. Why doesn't that apply here?
I am not talking just about that. Just reading this thread i see sihtposters who push the narrative of people being poor and thats why they won't accept this. How can it be that in a thread with 111 unique ip's on a board filled with "gamers" there are people who are so facetious. There is no difference between the shitposter and the mantra you wrote. They are not helping anyone but the companies they hate and try to make fun of. Its literally the reaction image with the guy pissing himself and going "rent free".
Call of Duty is the worst in the industry and people defend it so I have no hope. >$70 for basically the same game that was released the year prior >Old game is filled with hackers because they stop banning them >$20 battle pass >$30 super battle pass (for extra good goys) >$10-20 weapon skins, some with attachments that are outright better than stock like this thermal sight >$20 player skins >Menu is so full of ads for skins and battle pass to the point that its difficult to navigate
>Devs kvetching games aren't selling as good as they used to, wondering if it's because of the price hike.
Lol. Why are the people in power always moronic.
Even of someone can afford it, no one is going to willingly accept a near 20% pricehike out of principle.
Gamedevving has never been easier than it is today and you have the fricking audacity to try and scam and gaslight people into believing gamez need to be more expensive?
Didn't you israelites say games needed to have microtransactions and battlepasses n shit to make up for the increased Dev cost (lol)?
So why are the mtx still in the games now? You don't get to have both, israelites.
No wonder the "industry" is seething at baldurs gate and larian. Larian basically called out every single israelite game dev. They made a complete game. No mtx, no bullshit. One price of SIXTY DOLLARIDOOS. And what's more is that they'll prolly give you an upgraded version of bg3 a year later for FREE just like with divinity os 1 and 2
They were singing the high praise of Baldur's Gate and now went back to shilling for a 70 dollaridoos release even if Starfield had aprox the same dev time as BG3 under a studio that is well known for fricking it up and asking the community to fix stuff. Even if we know it won't even have the features of fricking NMS which is laughable
Baldurs gate 3 existing is living proof that all this "we need microtransactions and battlepasses" and "games need to cost 70 dollars" is nothing but like lies.
gaming is such a cheap hobby.
70 dollars is pretty cheap for a game compared to the past.
In the 1980s they had very simplistic games selling for over 100 dollars which would be well over 200 dollars today.
You kids are so spoiled today and don't even realize it.
You have the most amount of cheap entertainment to choose from and all you do is whine and complain.
Maybe we need a World War 3 just to show you how good your life really is.
Bunch of entitled shits.
We got to the point where games are so shitty and so filled with garbage ways to milk more money because of your stupid mentality. Don't know how you feel you are on a higher stair than everybody else when the companies milk you the same way. You are literally laughing at the water level rising.
gaming is such a cheap hobby.
70 dollars is pretty cheap for a game compared to the past.
In the 1980s they had very simplistic games selling for over 100 dollars which would be well over 200 dollars today.
You kids are so spoiled today and don't even realize it.
You have the most amount of cheap entertainment to choose from and all you do is whine and complain.
Maybe we need a World War 3 just to show you how good your life really is.
Bunch of entitled shits.
>and then adjust for inflation.
I don't need to. Games aren't pegged to inflation, those cartridges costs far more to manufacture distribute, weren't being sold digitally, and sold like complete shit compared to how many copies the average AAA game sells today.
Posting mail order catalogues from the 90s showing goofy ass game prices in response to '70 dollars is a lot of fricking money for a game' should legit get you booted offline, terminal levels of being an idiot on display
Not him, games were incredibly expensive luxury items back then, yes, but they were technically more affordable because everything else in your budget was much cheaper and you were being paid more. People are complaining about games going up in price when they should be complaining about their purchasing power being reduced while actual necessities are being inflated in value thanks to artificially induced scarcity via production and supply not being expanded to match the demand.
>and I can tell you we were not getting paid more.
If you were already wealthy then sure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This graph is bullshit. It's supposed to make you think the poor are getting poorer while the rich get richer but the reality is everyone is getting richer. Just some people are getting more richer than others. That's doesn't really matter and if you think it does it just means you're a butter jealous loser that resents the success of others.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>This graph is bullshit. >the reality is everyone is getting richer
lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
What you just posted in no way disproves what I said. The low and middle class incomes have not declined. They've gone up. Not nearly as much as the high income earners but they still went up.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>what is real income
Go outside.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand you people. Do you actually believe the standard of living was better in the 50s? Are you moronic?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said, you don't understand much of anything.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, there was jobs and wives for everyone
People could actually aford a home
Seeth
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, there was jobs
There's jobs for everyone today. There's more job vacancies than there are unemployed people. No, they're not all high paying low effort white collar work but someone has to shovel the shit. >and wives for everyone
If you had a job you'd probably find it a lot easier to get a wife. >People could actually aford a home
This is the one thing I can actually get behind. The governments have completely fricked the housing market for a lot of the western world. Kind of like how they're now fricking up the food market post covid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Are *you* moronic? We're talking about real wages and purchasing power which has declined since the 80s, not the standard of living in the 50s. Get real.
9 months ago
Anonymous
People were generally much happier and not diagnosed with 50 mental illnesses and pumped with big pharma (another fricking branch of bog corp that needs to burn, no I'll never play into the psyop of "TAKE UR |MEDSz"
9 months ago
Anonymous
What you just posted in no way disproves what I said. The low and middle class incomes have declined. They've gone down while high income earners have gone up exponentially more than everyone elses.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The low and middle class incomes have not declined. They've gone up.
Not really, no.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>whats between the 20th and 40th percentile
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you're a butter jealous loser
Most intelligent pedocon
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you're a butter jealous loser >I'm a picker not a chooser >I'm the seller you're the user >you romance her I abuse her
>( her her her)
>yeaaahhhh
>uhh
>some people get more richer >some do youtube, some are twitchers > I take a picha of my bicha melissa suckin >dicksa at the disco mixa right before she >swallows my elixa
I guess it depends on the work you were doing and where you were doing it, but I sure as frick was being paid better back then for the same work. The entertainment is cheap, but as I said, everything else is more expensive in comparison to what it was back then. I still have my budget sheets from then, the discrepancy is obvious, other goods and services have shot up in cost faster than wages.
The only reason anyone is complaining about the increase in vidya is because it is the latest and most obvious cost increase they can point at, they didn't notice the incremental increases of every other expense that they have because no one taught them to record their expenses, so they can't make comparison beyond their attention span of the current news cycle.
In what way are you helping you fricking homosexual. You are literally cutting the branch you are sitting on just to "Own the zoomers". What the frick is your problem?
>You zoomers are so spoiled and never had to deal with real hardship.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Third one doesn't make any sense. The initial mortgage on my parent's house in the 70's was 14%.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How much did your parent's house cost?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just because your parents were morons doesn't make the rest of the populous morons.
Also, who the frick knows what their parent's mortgage was 40 years ago. Reeks of homosexualry.
>and you were being paid more
Uh, what? No you weren't. Maybe compared to post covid government fricked economy maybe but not compared to like 2018 or something.
Was pretty flat from the entire era where video games were a thing. The huge decline happened in the 60s and 70s, not really the 80s and 90s and certainly not in the last couple of decades.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The huge decline happened in the 60s and 70s, not really the 80s and 90s and certainly not in the last couple of decades.
This is just a straight up fricking lie btw
>In the 1980s they had very simplistic games selling for over 100 dollars
This constantly brought up shill point means nothing because this was before prices were standardized to $49.99. There is an entire history of the struggle from 50 to 60 then 60 to 70 in the industry. This is meaningless
Stop buying games then idiot. But the people who make pathetic posts like this have an addiction that buy everything they see and are the problem. The corporation has no moral ground. The corporation is in it for the profit, not hungry kids in Africa or whatever you feel like blabbing on about with your emotions all out of wack like a estrogenic female.
Those posts are not about talking to the corporation. Its about waking the morons up. The corporation SHOULD be in it for the profit BUT the consumer should be in it for QUALITY and AFFORDABLE prices. And honestly seeing posts here and on the steam discussions the people who should listen to this are just smug because they get to spend more for less
>The corporation has no moral ground.
100% this
The really question is why do consumers have any moral imperative here
>The corporation has no moral ground
this is why regulations exist, to keep idiot corporations in check and prevent them from burning down the amazon rainforest in pursuit of whatever bullshit thing they can sell for 0.05% ROI.
I only buy stuff on sale, i haven't bought a game on release in 10 years.
And mostly i get indie games that are cheap and have ridiculous amount of hours in them. 500+ hours on both Rimworld and Kenshi, if i really want a AAA game i'll wait, i only just got Fallout 4 GOTY on sale for sub-10 bucks and now i have it with all the patches, DLC, and well matured modding community.
Give up on the hype, it'll ruin vidya as a hobby. Unless you're in a scene(fightan, shootan, whatevan) never get the new game.
Video games are a luxury good. If you can't afford it you can't afford it. Tough shit. The guy may as well be complaining about not being able to buy a Ferrari for $20k.
notice how no one is talking about starfield at all in this thread? lmao it is over. Don't fall for the soon to be (I'm sure) extensive shill campaign for this pos game
Why is it every time I see people complaining on the steam forums, they usually get banned for it? Are devs really this corrupt that they know their game can't stand up to criticism so they silence it?
the short answer is that steam forums are turning into giantbomb/gamefaqs in terms of quality of posts and discussion. if you've ever been to gamefaqs you know what I mean. it's a place where trolling is the order of the day, even moreso than Ganker, and since the forums are so heavily moderated the people doing the trolling have to be clever about how they do it - no cursing, no breach of rules lest your bait thread gets roasted and you get put in time out.
basically, people on steam forums troll hard and make a nuisance of themselves, people get mad, and the response is that people just get banned.
i went to grad school on scholarship because i was told i could be rich
now i'm living under a bridge eating beans from can and wiping my ass with woven grass
nah I'm a third worlder so every game until PS3 and Blueray became a thing was pirated disc that costs less than $1. GBA cartridges usually have dozens of games in 1.
>600 for rent
fricking where >20 for health insurance
da frick >other: 100 dollars
yeah like people just have 100 extra dollars they aren't using for the shit you listed. plus you forgot fuel, toiletries, groceries, internet, cell phone service, prescription drugs if you've got some kind of illness, etc. not including other expenses that might crop up. >800 dollars spending money
same point; people don't just have 800 fricking dollars that they aren't already using.
>price of everything else doubles >this is fine >price of videogames goes up 10% >NOOOOO israeliteS israeliteS FRICKING israeliteS WHY ARE YOU STEALING FROM ME FRICK YOU I WILL NEVER BUY A $70
I bet people who whine like this only work part time at retail and want to live in the most expensive cities like L.A.
These kids are so entitled and think their parents were just given free shit.
In reality their parents had to deal with high inflation in the 1970s and 1980s and it was worse than now.
And in the present day there are many more programs to help lower income people.
If you actually put in the effort you could easily make a living.
I live in the most expensive state working a dead end warehouse job with no education and I was able to save over 100k in a few years because I didn't have to buy the new iPhone or other tech junk that zoomers spend all their money on.
Learn to budget and you will find it easy to save for retirement.
Stop blaming your parent's generation for your mistakes.
Yeah your entire post is nonsense and you're talking out of your ass
https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/
source: Federal Housing Finance Agency >median home value USA 1974: $28,789.00 >median home value USA 2023: $379,068.00
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDMINNFRWG
source: US Department of Labor >federal minimum wage USA 1974: $2.00/h >federal minimum wage USA 2023: $7.25/h
>hours of work at federal minimum wage required to earn the median home value in 1974: 14,394.5 hours (6.5 years working 43 h/week, 50 weeks / year) >hours of work at federal minimum wage required to earn the median home value in 2023: 52,285.24 hours (24.32 years working 43 h/week, 50 weeks / year) >What the federal minimum wage SHOULD BE to earn the median home value in 14,394.5 hours $26.33/hour
But nobody actually earns min-wage, so here are some Stats what people were actually earning.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021301612&view=1up&seq=406
source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics >Data for production workers / nonsupervisory employees in various industries >Total, gross hourly earnings (1974) by Industry: >Mining: $5.21/h >Contract construction: $6.75/h >Transportation and public utilities: $5.43/h >Wholesale trade: $4.49/h
Using the previous metric we can calculate what those people should be earning today: >Mining: $68.59/h >Contract construction: $88.86/h >Transportation and public utilities: $71.49/h >Wholesale trade: $59.11/h
Keep in mind we are talking about NON-SUPERVISORY employees here, e.g. for Construction sites it's the Mexican worker-grunts, not the guy giving orders.
So tell me, can some random lad who didn't even finish his highschool diploma go to a random construction site, give the Boss-man a firm handshake and start working the next day for $88.86/hour?
No? Because that was the reality boomers were living in 1974.
Your numbers are off.
6.75 in 1974 is 44.28 today.
You can easily make over 40 dollars in a trade job. Most people I know who work in such a field like lineman or welder make over 100k after 5 years.
Hell you can get out of high school and join a manufacturing warehouse as a maintenance mechanic in training. They will pay for your training and after a year or so you can easily make 40 an hour.
Companies are paying huge bonuses to fill these positions because not many people are applying for them.
I know kids in their early 20s make over 100k as maintenance mechanics with no college education.
All the zoomers these days are lazy and don't want to learn a trade. They think they should be able to sit at home and be a youtube influencer.
They want to be paid top dollar for a starting position with no experience.
The way you make 100k is by building a skillset then switching jobs every few years.
Maybe don't be a methhead then.
I am being honest, 40 an hour is easy to find.
About 10% of the adult U.S. population are millionaires.
It is not an impossible goal to reach.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>About 10% of the adult U.S. population are millionaires.
(x)-doubt
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's not wrong when you factor in assets like property. The problem is that those millionaires as a group kicked the rungs out from under them getting where they are, making it progressively harder for anyone else to do the same.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Bait
9 months ago
Anonymous
>less than 10% of the adult U.S. population are "millionaires" (has a net worth of over $1 million including the value of all there assets illiquid)
The fact that you think this is some kind of counter to anything posted ITT is fricking hilarious.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>for every tradie making $40/hour there are dozens making less than half that >hurr durr don't be a methead
>I know kids in their early 20s make over 100k as maintenance mechanics with no college education. >All the zoomers these days are lazy and don't want to learn a trade
Did you train this bot on conservitard forums or something
>switching jobs every few years.
my parents and grandparents worked at the same place for 40-50 years. why should we have to switch jobs because companies don't want to compensate what they already have
Boomers were demonstrably paid more for starting positions with no experience than millennials let alone zoomers are. >The way you make 100k is by building a skillset then switching jobs every few years.
Which you didn't have to do before 2008 to reach the same income. How are you this dense
Why would companies pay you more if they can get away with less.
That is why you switch companies. After gaining a few years of experience.
You will find that companies will offer you huge bonuses and pay raises if you have the right skillset.
Learn to network as well. You will find great opportunities if you make small talk with clients or just other employees.
Your parent's generation weren't spending the majority of their life in one company. That was your grandparents generation and it was pretty much the only generation to do this.
Stop whining and making excuses just because you can't work at the same job your whole life.
No one is going to give you handouts for doing nothing.
You have to put in the effort to build your skillsets and market yourself as a valuable asset.
If you don't want to be under a company then why not start your own? I bet if you managed your own company you wouldn't just give people free stuff. You would expect them to work for their pay and if they wanted more money they would have to prove they are worth a raise.
9 months ago
Anonymous
boomer ass
go to bed gay ass
9 months ago
Anonymous
We are literally telling you companies are getting away with paying you less than they used to you moron.
>Your parent's generation weren't spending the majority of their life in one company.
Most of them changed jobs once or twice at best. Do you get off on getting yelled at and proven wrong or some shit
9 months ago
Anonymous
If they are getting away with paying you less then switch jobs to a company that offers more.
If they don't offer more then find another skillset that is more sought after.
It just sounds like you want to make excuses for being lazy and not trying at all.
You have to build a skillset, do some networking and learn how to market yourself as a valuable asset.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>If they don't offer more then find another skillset that is more sought after. >It just sounds like you want to make excuses for being lazy and not trying at all.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You post like a bot.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>literally "just start your own company if you don't like it"
The absolute state of boomercons
9 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine arguing that life shouldn't be better, in a way that was previously shown to be possible, just so you can feel smug about being in your crab bucket. Total fricking slave mentality. But you're the hardest working little crab, yes you are, yes you are! When will you brag about how many hours you work? I know you're dying to.
>switching jobs every few years.
my parents and grandparents worked at the same place for 40-50 years. why should we have to switch jobs because companies don't want to compensate what they already have
Boomers were demonstrably paid more for starting positions with no experience than millennials let alone zoomers are. >The way you make 100k is by building a skillset then switching jobs every few years.
Which you didn't have to do before 2008 to reach the same income. How are you this dense
>Your numbers are off. >6.75 in 1974 is 44.28 today.
That doesn't disprove anything in his post. The average person wasn't making less than $3/hour back then.
no, i grew up with a single mother who worked in a grocery store all her life. i did well in school and got my PhD in a STEM field. I'm only making $80k a year while rent chews away at half my income to live close enough to my job to commute and the rest is eaten away by other costs of living. there's no clawing your way out of lower class anymore. anyone getting by has had parents in privileged positions.
I got a useless degree, thankfully by luck fell into a position outside of my degree and am making 72. It's the same here, 50% goes to rent, 25% to student loans, It's definitely jaded me towards any motherfricker that has generational support. Its' insanity.
shit is gonna get fricked once student loans restart next month. i honestly don't know what i'm gonna fricking do because it'll be another $300 a month for me and I went to a shitty state school for undergrad
Lol get this man, my folks took out loans on my behalf for me, they call 'em parent plus.
I've got 27k in my name, thats about 150 a month on the longest lowest plan. Those parent plus loans? They've ballooned to $150,000. I've got to take that on and consolidate, at this point prior to consolidation I owe $1050 a month on loans, 1525 on rent. I'm 23 and I'm debating bankruptcy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
hol up i used to work in my fin aid dept how the hell did you grab enough parent+ loans to get it to balloon to 150k? it sounds like you misplaced a decimal but even then it's questionable
9 months ago
Anonymous
I wish I had answers for you, all I know for certain is the numbers. 8 semesters of parent plus in my Mom's name, 8 semesters in my name. I've logged into her account, it's genuinely 150k and change. People around me keep trying to say that she fricked me and used it outside of my schooling but I don't think that's even possible. The only upcharge I had in 4 years of college was housing and that couldn't have equaled more than 20k over 4 years.
9 months ago
Anonymous
does she have a gambling problem
9 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, no, b***h works 2 jobs to fund a facade upper-class life. Boat and nice car. She lives in a really small town so that highschool status shit still matters.
Your parents weren't taking skiing holidays all the time. They couldn't afford it. Millennials may be used to the idea of taking yearly holiday trips but that was not a thing for their parents unless they were stinking rich. My family was comfortably middle class and we only ever had two holidays in my entire childhood. You had to save for years for a holiday.
This reminds me of my sister who always complains about how she has no money but also she frequently goes on holidays overseas. She's visited dozens countries. Sometimes multiple in a year. That's why you have no money, you dumb b***h.
>You had to save for years for a holiday.
This isn't true, but middle class families weren't going on expensive vacations to Disneyland or flying overseas every year either. Most annual "holidays" meant going camping or visiting a different town or city a couple of states over.
Hey, listen up
*outsources jobs*
when I was your age
*guts manufacturing sector*
We had to pull ourselves up
*impovrishes nation*
By our bootstraps
*imports third worlders*
Look our boss in the eye
*require college degree for entry level position*
Shake his hand
*Increases national debt through social security*
And work our asses off
*decreases wages*
You kids today have it so easy
*hyperinflates property values*
With all of your fancy iPhones
*Implements suicide nets at slave factories*
And internet technology
*Implements orwellian police state*
You need to learn the value of hard work
*Pays college tuition with part time job at McDonalds*
And earning what you want
*makes penises illeigal*
instead of demanding it for free
*squanders inheritance*
Learn to appriciate the value of money
*erodes purchasing power of the dollar*
Instead of wasting it so flagrantly
*sends hundreds of billions of dollars to third world nations per year*
Pay your own way
*comps $100k in sushi*
And stop being so damned degenerate
*Acid flashbacks to woodstock*
Get a wife and raise a family
*implements no fault divorce*
We aren't going to be able to support you forever
*cashes retirement check*
So you need to take responsability for the future
*sells land to foreign nations*
You have to get right with god
*donates childrens trust fund to televangelist*
And stop being such a weakling
*poisons water supply*
So man the frick up and give me some grandchildren
*donates daughter to remote african tribes*
Or this Great nation is doomed
*shits self*
*downs 37 perscriptions*
*audible pacemaker sounds*
*outlives children*
*gets raped to death by bengali nurses*
*wills life savings to trump organization*
What game?
guess. it's starfield
Armored Core no?
>costumer
you guys might not know this but it's really important to todd that you're wearing some kind of costume while playing skyrim for the nth time. the same will be true for starfield.
I play skyrim naked.
I did feel like I was already wearing a clown costume when preordering fallout 4
>while playing skyrim for the Black personth time.
suspicious
Yeah, clown costume.
>costumer
Is there a clearer tell for an ESL shitter?
People who use words like "clearer" when they mean more clear, perhaps?
clearer is correct
hello ESL
Or people who try and explain how people out themselves as ESLs while completely fricking up and showing they don't understand the shortcuts and shorthand built into english.
https://www.wikihow.com/Clearer-or-More-Clear
>Although English grammar rules do say that “clearer” is the grammatically correct version,
It's more make sense than "player" tho
>can barely afford food
EBT, homosexual
>bein on food stamps
lmao at ur lyfe
>noooo you can't take free money from the government because its.... its le bad for the taxpayer!
get back in your cagie to buy me more food, wagie
poorgay
malding wagecucks
>b-b-but you need to feel bad because you're a le drain on society or something! mr shekelstein NEEDS my money, not you!
lol the gymnastics you go through to justify being on food stamps
i don't care about paying taxes to your dumb ass
it's just hilarious that you recognize you have no value and need others to subsidize you
great so i can barely afford clothes and now you're refusing to costume me
>the difference between $60 and $70 is enough to cripple you financially.
Bethesda is not the problem here.
why do you all shill so hard for giving more money to mega corporations who don't care about you? do you also shill to have your wages or salaries lowered under the logic that it'll help your boss better afford his vacation in the maldives or something?
Hey I don't care either way. I don't need the latest AAA slop on release day. Maybe I'll buy it for $15 in a couple years.
fair point but do you believe that games should cost more than 70 dollars on release? also more and more games are keeping their launch price for longer and longer. asscreed valhalla, code vein, dark souls 3, fricking dark souls 2, nioh, nioh 2, sekiro, etc are all games that are at least 3 years old and still cost upwards of 50.00 USD (on steam). point is that strategy of waiting for a drop might not ever come, or you'll end up waiting longer than before, when games used to permanently drop their value around a year after release.
bad bait.
stay sucking corporate dick.
I mean if you've got bigger things to worry about than the price of vidya I hear you loud and clear, but you don't want to actually see a price hike, do you?
you have 0 money, no game, no hoes, no friends.
i have all of that and MORE money than you.
no you don't, corporate dick sucker. all you have is corporate apologetics in the form of a dick hanging out your mouth and the balls resting on your chin. not a good look, amigo.
the sales are how they get you. yeah, you can buy a game for 15 dollars on sale, but for the rest of the fricking year the game is set at full retail price. why is it that they do this? just speculating, but could it be that they want to monitor a game's lifetime performance, not to mention consumer behavior, to best prepare understand when to sell X game at Y price point in order to maximize sales? they do nothing for you that doesn't also benefit them in some way. datamining and analytics were a mistake.
hot.
what the frick are you talking about? let's say, hypothetically, that you're a fricking moron who makes baseless accusations. let's say I actually CAN afford to pay 70 dollars for a video game. that puts you and I in the same category. there - we can both afford it. now I ask you, do you really want to pay MORE for something like that and for no real reason? explain to me the reasoning behind such a price hike. please, I want to understand.
>explain to me the reasoning behind such a price hike.
it's been explained in the thread already, so it's clear you don't want to understand, but the fact is that games have stayed at the same price point since the 90s. less, even, I remember genesis games that were 80 bucks. meanwhile literally everything else costs more and the dollar is worth less.
like, are you fricking moronic? does basic math elude you? fricking poorgays I swear.
by the way, everyone can tell you can't afford games at 70 because nobody who can throws a tantrum about it. nobody likes paying more but we're not moronic and we can spare an extra ten bucks so we don't b***h and moan like you're doing.
If you can't afford it, then pirate it. It's a win-win. You get the game, and they get free advertising when you talk about it, especially if you liked it. They lose nothing, because you couldn't have bought it anyway.
oh is that when prices werent really standardized? because my entire life from the ps1 on the standard was 50$ which is why there was such outcry when they attempted to move the standard to 60$. they even used to release the same game on consoles for 60 and 50 for pc because they wouldn't take it at first. now the standard is 70, plus dlc, plus battlepass, season pass, in game cosmetics at 25 a piece, lootboxes, in game currencies etc etc etc.kys
oh my god games went up 20 dollars over 30 years oh the horror! and they added optional shit you're in no way required to buy oh my god it's terrible! suck my dick, poor.
they think calling people poorgays lights up some Black person desire to be new money moronic with spending with no budget. don't let it work on you, they're just dishonest piece of shit homosexuals. nothing to write home about
>new money moronic with spending with no budget
cope. a ten dollar bump in game prices makes no noticeable difference for my allocated discretionary spending.
enjoy being poor.
I didn't say shit about your "allocated discretionary spending" you fricking sheltered homosexual, I said calling people poorgays is a common shill tactic to try and get people to spend money on a game clearly asking more than its worth. but keep simply doing it over and over again you one note pussy
lmfao I don't give a frick what you spend your money on, you moronic narcissist, ditto all your fellow poorgays whining about a ten dollar bump after 15+ years at 60. buy the games or don't, I do not care one way or the other.
people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
>feel less bad when tyrone rolls you for your duckets
ducats*
I have no clue what the frick you're babbling about
to be clear, this is not an invitation to explain it
why would I give a frick what you believe? you go ahead and cope however you need to and I'll enjoy living a comfortable lifestyle
sure you will homosexual. try not to go to crazy with cosmetic surgery when you inevitably transition. it's a slippery slope and people who can afford it tend to really slip.
absolutely nobody mentioned trannies but here you are frothing at the mouth about imagined troons. rent-free.
get a frickin life my god. start with a job. a real one, not jockeying a register at some bullshit drive-thru
>rent-free
lmfao I'm never gonna take advice from a fricking zoomer I'll tell you that. Why are you wasting your energy you fricking moron?
nobody mentioned zoomers either. again, rent-free.
I'm in my mid-thirties, and you should be glad of that. if someone a decade younger than me were out-earning me and laughing at my handwringing over an extra ten bucks for a video game I believe I'd have to kill myself. you probably lack the spine to do that, but it would do a number on you mentally regardless.
If you are seriously in your mid thirties and say things like
>rent free
and you mean it
>unironically
you should stop being so
>disingenuous
and
>kys
Look, I know the
>optics
of something like that might be hard to
>cope
with for your loved ones but I don't think it would be very
>charitable
of me to lie to you and tell you you shouldn't.
imagine getting this triggered by how other people choose to use language. Your life is probably wildly pathetic. I can't imagine this level of bitterness and cynicism developing in a person who has their shit together to even the most mild degree
I get it, you saw my post and you regularly use all of those zoomer streamer words and it hurt your feelings. I don't care homosexual, go back to /reddit where that sad excuse for a comeback belonds
I get it, you make shit up to cope with your pathetic life
I'm running circles around you lmao
>cope
I'll let you have the win, you clearly need it more than I ever will lmao
>I'll let you have the win
I accept your weak pussy ass concession. 😀
enjoy it anon, I know it's the highlight of your week 🙂
there's such a thing as losing graciously you entitled homosexual. Take the
>L
and move on, it's already over. You're just embarrassing yourself
>Verification not required
its OK anon. I'm just glad I was able to supply you with a rare moment of joy. enjoy your internet win, anon, I know it means so much to you 🙂
Believe me, I am 😀
>next time you get stolen from, the level of sympathy will fall as you have shown yourself to be a dumb c**t wasting resources for the sake if it anyway.
Shame if they pull out the guillotine.
again, that was not an invitation to explain it
Did i give the impression I do anything based on your level of desirability?
you give the impression that you are incredibly bad at english
>can't detect the difference between typos and bad english
You're not even close to intelligent enough to make that accusation.
it's not typos, it's the fact that you structure sentences like a moron pretending to be a smart person
The sentence structure is fine if you follow the context. You don't and lack the cognitive flexibility to understand anything outside your own projection. You're a moron who is offended you aren't talked down to. Which makes you doubly moronic.
it's pretty clear you're not talking down to me. to sell that impression you'd have to get me to buy into the fiction that you are actually above me in any way
truth is you're just kind of moronic, and not half the linguist you think you are
>its pretty clear I'm talking down to you.
Did you think that happened before or after you acted the fool?
>Above you in any way
Ignoring for the moment my ego wanting me to agree just because it vexes you and you sound sorely in need of that, I know nothing about you, how could i make that claim based on any fact apart from that which you've revealed?
>half the linguist I think I am
It speaks more to your projection that you thought it entered into my mind until you brought it up.
Put it this way, I've nothing to prove to you, nothing to gain should i "prove it to you", no way to even figure out if I've indeed proved it to you.. so what's my motivation here?
This pedestrian shit about linguistics is your party, I'm just indulging you because I've nothing better to do.
you couldn't even quote the first line correctly. you inverted my statement.
way to out yourself for having a brain that fails at basic comprehension. you've proven my point. I didn't read a word of your post past the first line.
enjoy moronation.
>thinking implying is the same as quoting
It obviously bothered you enough to get mad about. You turned it into this whole thing.
Don't worry anon, I'll be here with you every step until you figure out how to cope
I honestly have no idea what the frick you're babbling about.
as before, this is not an invitation to explain it.
Sort of proving my point there.
>You don't and lack the cognitive flexibility to understand anything outside your own projection.
This might be the most fat atheist neckbeard fedora redditor comment I've ever seen on Ganker
I think it's funny when you attempt to paint a ridiculous image in order to obfuscate the fact you're intimidated by simple words. Because that's all it was. But you for some reason, have turned them into a challenge to you and assumed that i gave an entire frick about trying to intimidate you like you even register as that important to me and that this is anything other than just a courtesy response.
nobody is intimidated, it's just painfully obvious to anyone not trying to appear smarter than they are that that is exactly what you're doing when you type like that. It literally paints a giant target on your face that says "I am a fricking moron trying to sound superior"
>obfuscate
I rest my case kys
>I'm not intimidated
>STOP TRYING TO SOUND SO SMART WAAAH
Okay champ.
>obfuscate
You literally have access to Google. Learn a word maybe?
I know what it means. Everyone knows what it means. It's been in the twitch lexicon for years. You are not smart homosexual lmao
>commonly known word
>apparently uncommon to use
Do you hear yourself, seriously? Is just a fricking word. The only person attaching any significance, intellectually or otherwise, is you. My only mistake was not using babbie words so it didn't fluster you. And why did i do that? Not assuming you're an idiot. But thanks for clearing that up for me.
>babbie
literally doesn't know how to spell baby. I fricking told you.
>intentional misspelling a word to emphasise the infant nature of it.
Babbie want a bottle? Mean internet words make you angwy? Aww.
That was a classic meme reference, fool.
>babby
couldn't even spell that right
Bro, you're arguing with a literal child. Unable to play at your level, he kicked over the board in a tantrum.
>warhammer 40gay fan
Explains everything
>homosexual on Ganker
High ground is more of a gentle slope isn't it?
Lol you haven't posted your balance. Why do broke homies larp as rich people and get so sour? There's nothing wrong with being broke, but being a dumb bastard who spends his $23/hr impulsively, like yourself, is shameful. You have amde an embarrassment of yourself ITT. The rope awaits you, Troon.
>post your bank account on Ganker in order to debate with a bunch of autists over $23/hour being somehow poverty wages
el oh el
screenshot checking account balance, crop out details in microsoft paint, win argument completely. never seems to happen though
Yeah gee I wonder why people aren't posting screenshots of their personal banking info to win a debate against autists on a mongolian shitposting board that never concede anything lmao
I guess if I were actually a poorgay larping as someone with money, this would sting, but honestly it's pretty funny. sort of like a moronic puppy banging its head against a sliding glass door two or three times in a row
>sort of like a moronic puppy banging its head against a sliding glass door two or three times in a row
Whhhhhooooooaaaaaaa buddy, calm down with the edgy posts now
Mommy money dont count, troony
Keep eating your cheetos while your fat mother pay all your bills, rich people dont brag
>people who have money just like dunking on people who failed in life and are clearly bitter about it. it's fun, it's for sport, there's no deeper motivation. if you had money you'd get it.
post bank account homosexual I literally don't believe you have money
>in no way required to buy
In other words, don't complain when these gay companies cut up and make our games objectively worse in an attempt to manipulate us and to nickel and dime us to death?
The price of video games isn't pegged to inflation you dumbass. Movie tickets and Blurays don't cost 30% more than they did 10 years ago
you're moronic, movie tickets and home video absolutely have risen in price since the 90s
>10 years ago
>the 90s
moron
>why is it that they do this?
it's not a scheme for analytics, price discrimination is like the oldest fricking thing ever
if you're some impoverished indian driving a shitheap taxi for a living and a bald white tourist gets in you're gonna charge him 10x what you charge another indian because you know he's got the money, and he'll be fine with it because it's still 100x cheaper than what he'd have paid back home
the same general concept can apply to any business, and a big way it's done these days (apart from selling argentinians everything for 50 cents) is to lower the price sporadically. the guys who wouldn't buy it at $60 might very well buy it later at $30, getting you money from them you don't otherwise get, and the people who were willing to pay $60 are gonna buy it day one so they can play it without having to wait several months for it to go on sale
interesting, now how does the fact that, with digital distribution, they have infinite supply factor into this equation? I guess, they have some degree of manufacturing costs because they'll release physical copies on whatever console hardware is currently on the market, but digital obscures physical at this point, so my best guess is that they'd justify any extra revenue by positing that they're recouping costs accrued for physical manufacture, but there's no way that they're not making straight profit, like at least 70% or more, from their digital copies, after manufacture expenses are accounted for.
>you don't want to actually see a price hike, do you?
Of course not. But that doesn't mean I can't see when it's justified. I'm not a cheerleader for paying more for shit. But I won't feel like I'm getting assfricked, either, since I can understand where they're coming from. Now, paying $23 for a pound of ground beef - that's an unlubricated assfricking.
It not shilling for a corporation to point out that you have no business buying a video game if spending $70 might cause you to go without food for any given period of time.
So they can pump out more games, if making video games was more profitable we'd get better games. $1000 per game should be enough.
>$1000
Too low. Every game should follow the Star Citizen model. $30k min buyin to keep the poors out.
No, I just like laughing at poor people who can't manage their finances enough to leave room for vidya.
what if he lives in cuba or venezuela? $70 is like 3 months paycheck for them
All the more reason to laugh at him
As long as you understand that the plan of globalism is to make all of us like that economically. That includes you.
You're a moron.
Hobbies reflect the demographic.
The people that don't play golf don't b***h about the price of clubs and memberships into gold courses, because it's a rich person's hobby.
Video games are for people that can't travel, are mostly below the age of 25, with most being children. If you expect this demographic to have money for $90 games when our economy is reaching 1930s depression era nonsense you're a fricking moron.
>If you expect this demographic to have money for $90 games when our economy is reaching 1930s depression era nonsense you're a fricking moron.
The factory I work at started me off at $23 an hour with no previous metal works experience (which is pretty good for this area). Not my problem if these morons who were dumb enough to get jobs working retail or fast food where they don't get paid shit are struggling. Excuse me while I enjoy the rest of my three day weekend since I work a 10x4 schedule while you broke Black folk work one part time job 3 days a week and then another part time job 4 days a week.
and how much money do you have after bills every month? you're living so fricking close to poverty it isn't even funny and you know it deep down, and you're talking shit to people? lmfao
NTA but I save about a grand or two a month. and that's with a mortgage and plenty of discretionary spending on luxuries like vidya and dining out.
it is genuinely not that hard to do well. quit being a b***h and do better.
If you're making 23 an hour you're making something like 3 grand a month after taxes. you are certainly fricking not saving a grand or two with a mortgage and plenty of discretionary spending on luxuries like vidya and dining out you fricking moron.
do you not know what NTA means or are you being moronic on purpose
maybe he's got more than one household income?
> games have stayed at the same price point since the 90s
and? this fact alone is justification for a price hike? are you moronic? this isn't the basis for an argument, this is just some fact that potentially could be used to make an argument but I guess you're too lazy or inept to do that. ok, I understand.
>nobody likes paying more
that in and of itself is enough that you and I, as consumers, should be on the same page, then.
>we can spare an extra ten bucks so we don't b***h and moan like you're doing
whether you can spare the extra 10 or not, it's still not really justified beyond, "everything else is more expensive, so why shouldn't vidya be?" while conveniently ignoring the fact that DLC, microtransactions and other revenue streams already supplement sales more than enough to cover costs and keep any given game on a drip feed of cash for long after its release.
>maybe he's got more than one household income?
then his point is completely lost
>this fact alone is justification for a price hike?
yes, you fricking moron, because again: the dollar is worth less than it was back then.
you are too moronic for me to even consider wasting my time on another (You). enjoy poverty. die slow.
>the dollar is worth less than it was back then
no shit, idiot. what's your point? you increase the price you're going to decrease potential sales. that's how supply and demand works. any price hike is cynically done for the sake of more revenue. that revenue doesn't go to the devs, it goes to the investors/publishers/CEOs. that money isn't going to be used to make a better product, it's going to be used so people like andrew wilson can get his 10th vacation home. you think these sweatshop running publishers give two shits about their development teams, or making you a better game?
>b-but the game cost 100 million dollars to make!!!
they wouldn't have set that price point as their budget if they couldn't afford to absorb that as a loss. are you really going to tell me that we as consumers should subsidize moronic industry practices like stupid as frick marketing campaigns and whatever other bullshit money is spent on that has nothing to do with development?
so explain why it might be justified, and don't just say "because inflation" because that's not good enough.
>no shit, idiot. what's your point?
wow, you're actually too moronic to be having this conversation
no wonder you're a failure with no money
if you're not going to engage then shut the frick up and leave this thread you bloody fricking moron.
tell you what, cashapp me 70 bucks and I'll go away
oh wait
you won't go away, so that'd be a bad investment. besides, you're not even worth a response, but since you're such a greedy bawd for attention, here you go, kiddo. another (you). please have a nice day later on, ok?
tell you what, cashapp me 70 and I'll kill myself
oh wait
>wow, you're actually too moronic to be having this conversation
He literally raped you
>no wonder you're a failure with no money
>poorgay!
see? every single time.
>explain why it's justified
>don't say "because the exact justification" because that's not good enough
you possess neither the critical thinking skills nor the intellectual honesty to be worth talking to
>you and I, as consumers, should be on the same page
nah most people are mature and realistic enough to understand why things they don't like might be justified
it's not justified
it is tho, you're just a pissbaby
Not really, no.
>you're making something like 3 grand a month after taxes
That's still higher than median income for individuals in the US
If someone making that much still can't afford vidya then the industry is fricking doomed
>Real median household income was $70,784 in 2021
70,784 / 52 = 1361.2307
i.e. you need to hit 1360 net a week to make that, which means your gross will be higher, somewhere like 1500 gross to absorb the losses by deductions.
23.hr x 40 = 920 gross; 920 x 52 = 47,840 before deductions. so yeah that's not really higher than the median income, unless you're using other numbers that say otherwise, but I got that statistic from here: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-276.html
>household income
That post explicitly states *individual* income, not combined incomes under one household. Learn to fricking read.
alright alright my bad no need to get pissy.
Since when is $23/hour full time even close to poverty?
since you can barely afford the cost of living independently on it?
But he can. Saving money by living with others isn't the same as living anywhere close to poverty.
>Bragging about $23 an hour when a store brand loaf of bread is $4
It was supposed to be $10 by now. Where are the breadlines?
>just two more weeks
Pre-rona a shitty loaf of bread was less than a dollar. Someone on minimum wage could buy more loafs of bread an hour a few years ago than anon making $23 an hour.
So you think inflation has risen over 400% since the pandemic? lmao
it literally has for some items
Not for fricking bread.
If you're gonna brag about what you make it better be more than fricking 24 bucks an hour goy! oy vey
You live paycheck to paycheck in your parents house because you can't afford your own place. Who is this supposed to impress?
People reject factory works because they drug test you every week. I met people that say cocaine is a "medicaI prescription" I don't care If you have a prescription or anything like that. I enjoy collect urine and ruin your fun. If there is an issue with your test, you are a douchebag
People reject factory work because it pays poorly more often than not, and even when it doesn't the conditions are shit compared to what you could be doing for marginally less money if not even more. That's why they're hiring teenagers to do the grunt work.
Factory works are too easy, just press a button for move a Kuka's robot arm and that robot create whatever shit in the CNC. You get money by babysitting the robot, but people are mad because they cant smoke drugs and babysitting in the same turn.
No, most families only eat crap from fast food places, the idea of "the average joe only eat freshly prepared food" is obsolete
>implying most factory jobs are shit like cnc operator
>implying most cnc operators are making over $40/hour
It's pretty telling how people Ganker went from shilling STEM to conservitards shilling the "trades" now even though they have no fricking clue what they're talking about.
I work in a warehouse that offers 100k positions for maintenance mechanics.
Lower end machine operators make only slightly less.
401k is 25% match.
This is all with no college education.
And pretty much ever warehouse in the area offers the same wages.
If you live in bumfrick nowhere then move to a place with jobs.
Put in the effort and you will be rewarded.
>401k is 25% match.
awooga
are you sure they didn't say 2.5%?
nevermind i forgot it was the boomer poster and he's making shit up
>I work in a warehouse that offers 100k positions for maintenance mechanics 401k is 25% match
>starting with no experience or education
>just work harder bro
>just move bro
Bait or moronic
>25% 401k match
>for being a machinist
>100k for maintenance mechanics
I don't believe you. you're a god damn liar. that isn't a real 100k position, you just do dirty math to get that so it's 'technically' true and you an advertise it to dopes who're otherwise unaware of your fudging of the math. on top of that, your golden boy examples who you love to trot out to potential hires represent the top 5% of people in that role making near to those projected numbers. you're disingenuous and you know it.
>just press a button for move a Kuka's robot arm and that robot create whatever shit in the CNC
Some factories involve a lot more manual work than that. I worked briefly on an assembly line for that protein powder shit once. The only thing automated was the conveyor belt. Manually screwing lids onto tubs of protein powder for 8 hours straight and then coming in tomorrow to do it all again and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that and so on is not easy.
Are you moronic? Supermarkets sell heavily processed food and I literally said they eat at fast food places. Do you think taking the average american family is spending $90 every day to eat at mcdonalds?
You are a disingenuous poster and you know it. Frick back off to the weebgay cave.
>getting a factory job in a country without an actual union presence
Career crime is unironically a safer career choice.
>our economy is reaching 1930s depression era
moron alert
sup, poorgays
stay broke
I'm not shilling anything. Fact remains that the cost of games hasn't kept pace with inflation in the last 30 years. DLC and MtX aside, anyway. So I really don't give a frick. I'm not some damn hobo that's going to go bankrupt if they raise the price of games 15% when bread has gone up 300% in the last year.
>Fact remains that the cost of games hasn't kept pace with inflation in the last 30 years
lol
>DLC and MtX aside, anyway
lmao
Cost of living has increased with the inflation and then some, and wages have stagnated worse than video games. People are paying 5x they normally would on groceries. Rent has increased. Now video games are getting a 25% increase and you think people won't complain? Mother frick why are you homosexuals so disingenuous.
Again, no one said it was awesome. Just that it's within reason. Idiots that can't bend enough to look at the other side's viewpoint should keep their mouth's shut. Just because something doesn't benefit me, doesn't mean it's not fair.
>games need to cost more because of inflation
>inflation is the only thing that matters
>wages have stagnated
>it's insanely more expensive to live now than it was then
>but inflation is the only thing that matters
>developer wages wont go up
>they wont pull back on dlc
>MTXs and other practices wont become more ethical
>CEOs and Shareholders will make more money
>that's the only 'positive' consequence
>but this entirely unmasked corporate greed, somehow, is something that isn't disgusting because 'inflation' is the only thing that matters
The view you pretend to have in order to feel measured and reasonable is fundamentally ignorant of reality. It's entirely disingenuous. The extra 10 bucks isn't going anywhere but the top and you fricking know it. You're slime.
it's not shilling, it's just stating the fact that we're not poorgays so we don't give a shit. you, being a poorgay (and thus a weak frick loser with a weak frick loser mindset), merely perceive anyone not actively advocating for the interest of weak frick losers like yourself as someone "shilling" for the people you believe to be preventing you from getting what you want.
fact is though, the only person preventing you from fulfilling your desires is you. maybe put forth more effort and generally do better in life and you too can be at the bare-minimum level of adult success that lets you view 60 bucks and 70 bucks as essentially the same.
I am a poorgay and still have no problem affording video games.
It's a couple of hours of work at best for tons of hours in entertainment.
lol I make 76 dollarydoos an hour, I don't even think about purchases less than 50 anymore.
Which do I buy, btw
you buy the 2006 miata, homosexual
Not that anon but had to jump in to say after seeing your picture, I stand by the idea that all car guys are closeted gays
the one with the most horsepower so you can wrap it around a tree sooner
>lol I make 76 dollarydoos an hour,
Post paystub.
middle class Black folk cope by shitting on lower class. Always has been true
It's not shilling to point out that if $10 is all that stands between you and being unable to afford rent + food then you shouldn't be spending any money on videogames because you clearly have bigger problems at hand.
If I am interested in an AAA slop game (which is rare now) I buy the GOTY edition a few years after it released on sale for dirt cheap. I haven't bought a AAA game at full price in 8 years.
So $60 would've been doable, but $70 is just completely outside the realm of possibility? Skip a meal homosexual.
why everyone think $70 is a lot of money. People spend $90 usd in shitty food of a restaurand or in drugs, $70 for a videogame that last years is a great invest
good morning sir
$70 is a lot of money for a video game compared to what games actually cost and most people aren't blowing $90 on shitty restaurant food
>he thinks video games are an investment
that's adorable
>t. isn't part of the exclusive club that are Star Citizen investors
Ngmi
What fricking family did you have that spent $90 on food. My mom and I go out and it's usually 25-30 dollars
American family that drink too much Coke, sugar, always eat in restaurants because they are lazy for cook
They just buy whatever processed garbage you can find at the supermarket or shitty fast food. American families aren't going out to dinner regularly for $90 a pop
Restaurants for two or three are not charging 90$ for one trip, we're not India where having 5 kids is a norm.
You can reach $90 in a restaurant (no fast food), with two adults and one child, add drinks and 15% tip
new vidya has cost $70 since the 90s
fricking brokies man, games should cost MORE if anything....
I'm not Todd but even at $70, video games are a hell of a bargain. What other form of entertainment gets you 100+ of fun?
>even at $70, video games are a hell of a bargain.
AAA games, yes. I look at it in terms of how much I'm spending per hour. MMOs, for example, at $15/month for hundreds of hours is a sweet fricking deal. Bethesda shit is always guaranteed at least 500 hours for about $150 (including DLC and such), so 25cents an hour. Again, not bad at all. But indie shit that costs $40 and only has 20 hours or less of content? Yeah, that's why I have a Pirate Bay bookmark.
A 50 cent deck of cards
Games cost $90 in leafland. I tried buying armored core but fricking..felt like I should have only paid $30 for that piece of shit, so I returned it.
I just can't be assed to spend $100 on a single video game.
Isn't that the price of a can of soup over there?
Look after your family first man
what about $229.99 for the collectors edition of armored core vi?
real price btw
>Games cost $90 in leafland.
that's cheaper than 70 usd you stupid fcuking leaf
Don't bother. Canucks and Aussies are too fricking moronic into basic math.
>still a mark up after exchange rate.
We can count fine.
I hope you played it on the first celeron processors. Anything more modern makes you something lesser than a smoothbrain ant.
haha now imagine our condition as a third worlder
Spending that $100 for me feels like spending $500-$1000 for you
for a single game 🙂
>moron with money problems buys games at full price
>wonders why he can't afford more games
>can barely afford rent and food
>playing video games
imagine being poor
>buying video games
oh no ten extra dollars
must suck to be a poorgay. shoulda done better in life I guess
It's crazy how you'll be able to play the Empress edition for $0 5 days early. How generous of Bethesda to give this option to those of us that don't feel like paying 120AUD for a broken game. Has OP though about playing this version?
>120AUD
Try 170 with season pass. If you're not pirating it and waiting for a sale on GOTY before shelling out cash you're an idiot. I'll be getting it with my new card, so whatever. Point being it's moronic buying anything that isn't actually tangible and physical. That they and EVERYONE is charging these kinds of shit prices for digital nothing is comical.
Bru if you are complaining about food prices how long are they losing you
don't open this image if you're poor
is piracy still a service problem?
yup. no longer supports windows 7
do any modern games work on windows 7?
name 5 modern games that have come out in the last 5 years.
balders gate 3, armored core 6, diablo 4, hogwarts legacy, wo long
okay, but I meant besides those
>buying bethesda's goyslop
LOL
LMAO
couldnt be me
>Boohoo we are starving nooo
Then stop playing games and earn money you lazy frick. Prioritize your life like a fricking adult
I bet he had no problem buying other games for $70.
>$60 was fine
>but $70??????????????????????????????
i drew the like at $50 back in 2005 and will not spend a single cent more.
It waa $50 when I was growing up. It'll probably be $80 in another 5 years.
>game pass on day 1
It cost my parents $70 for Turok on the N64 when I was growing up. Shadows of the Empire was a similar price IIRC but I didn’t get that game as a kid.
$70 is fine but $80 isn't?? you can do this forever. you have to draw the line somewhere and his is $60.
>priced out of my hobby
inflation adjusted games have never been cheaper
>(Banned)
what's he kvetching for? just pay $0 for it like a normal person.
I got it for $56 about 2 minutes ago on CDkeys and they already sent me the code
>all that slop
yikes
Other than Sunset Overdrive, what is slop there? Stanley Parable and Surgeon are slop but they were gifted and or bought on sale for my sister back in 2011-2012 or so.
Not to mention all these games were probably a couple dollars on sale, maximum
Of course the only person who posts a viable solution that you can utilize right now gets ignored
Isn't there a risk these keys were boughtnqoth stolen cards and you end yo losing the games at a some point?
A. Why do I care if they were used with stolen credit cards?
B. How and why would Steam remove them from your account?
steam has and will revoke licenses they were obtained via fraud, I don't think it's common but it has happened from these types of websites before.
I've been been buying from keysites for years and never had any issue
>Steam has and will revoke licenses
Going to have to ask you to please cite your source and give me 1 real example of a game being revoked from someone's account, specifically due to being obtained through a key site.
a simple Google search, or steams website itself.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/029B-6D58-6EE6-1D7A
I asked for you to show a specific example, not show the bullshit in their legal terms you dumbass
this is not a legal document or a Eula, that are literally telling you that they revoked cdkeys obtained from third party sites, it's a FAQ about people asking about their revoked games. not legal speak.
Ok if they've done it and it happens then you should be able to easily find an example of somebody posting that it happened to them, right?
yes, there is plenty of examples on Google and steam themselves saying they've done it
Where? Not seeing anything after extensive googling.
lol sure
what do you think FAQ means
What do you think "specific example" means?
Frick you?
if it's a stolen credit card and the owner does a chargeback on all purchases after it was stolen, it can absolutely be removed from your account because the person who actually paid for it got a refund
Prove it, as I asked the other fellow you are gonna have to show some specific examples
prove steam punishes fraud?
how dumb are you?
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/029B-6D58-6EE6-1D7A
>The CD Key you used to activate the game was revoked by the publisher of the game. This can happen, for example, when the CD Key is intended for a limited time activation, like a Beta, or if the publisher determines that the CD Key itself had been obtained by fraudulent means.
he's just trolling there's 100s of examples online either wants it spoon fed or he's moronic/trolling
Dude, please post a single one of these examples if there are hundreds
You're too fricking moronic to see that its just bs pr on steams end and they have never given a shit about third party key sites
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/55x1me/learnt_my_lesson_with_cdkeyscom_dont_buy_from_them/
https://forum.gameflip.com/t/help-needed-with-cd-key-being-revoked-after-purchase-and-confirmation/39959
https://www.destructoid.com/fraudulent-elder-scrolls-online-steam-keys-revoked/
https://www.eurogamer.net/steam-revokes-7050-stolen-sniper-elite-3-codes
https://techraptor.net/gaming/guides/steamwatch-steam-key-revoking-system-is-problem
Ok thank you for giving some real examples
I've never had it happen personally and will continue to advocate for using them since it saves money, but I'll admit there is a small risk (almost non-existant)
And besides the worst that happens is I re-buy the game on Steam and maybe get my money back through CDkeys
I buy from them too, but stuffing your head in the dirt and saying keys never get revoked is moronic.
Seems extremely rare, even in the cases you posted that is hardly any
Also you can tell some sites are shadier than others. CDkeys is one of, if not the most reliable out there
CDKeys absolutely is not reliable, they've repeatedly been caught selling keys bought with stolen credit cards
Yeah sure buddy here's where you post another article with a vague example of a moron who probably did a charge back on his own card
I've been using it for years and never had a single issue, in hundreds of cases
Nope, I'm asking you to find a specific example of what they threaten through their FAQ. I've legitimately tried to find someone posting about a game they've had revoked through steam due to it being from a third party website and I can't
I promise I'm not BSing, I'm going out of my way to look. Closest I've found was this and it ended up being a mistake on Bethesdas part and the guy got the game back https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/ym0v8s/steam_removed_my_old_game_that_was_purchased_not/
alright, good troll
you got me kid
Whatever moron. Enjoy spending your $70
I just beat Armored Core 6 on steam, guess how much that cost me? $46
Too bad you're a pussy or you'd save some money
You have a small chance on some sites like G2A or Kinguin where other people are reselling through them. CDkeys doesn't have other sellers though, it's all legit.
Frick off.
As if people aren't going to pirate.
How many people here have actually bought a $70 game at launch? That's the worst possible experience. Overpaying for what it is most likely a broken game rather than waiting for a deal when a patch comes out.
I bought street fighter 6 for 70 on launch day and it worked perfectly. get fricked.
Where the frick did you buy it at $70. Everywhere sells it at $60?
Works on my machine
$70 is bad because it's a slippery slope, soon we're going to be at $80-90 games. The market is way larger than it was and games are relatively easier to produce now. Maybe cut back on your bloated production costs and you might be able to produce THREE whole games a decade instead of two instead of just raising the price of each one.
But anyway if you can't afford food you have bigger problems to worry about than $70 bethesda games. I'm literally on food stamps myself and I never buy full priced games because they're too expensive. I always wait years before I buy them. You can't just be poor and also play shitty AAA video games on release. Theres thousands of cheaper video games you could play right now while you wait on your AAA slop to go on sale for $10.
>You can't just be poor and also play shitty AAA video games on release
Just pirate lol
Never pay more than $20 for a videogame. No exceptions.
>Never pay for a videogame. No exceptions.
This works too, but I like supporting h-game devs
>supply and demand doesnt count when its a video game
typical gamertard
>his demand doesn't count because I said so
typical shill
Black person how is supply an issue for a fricking steam game
>Digital games.
>Supply issue.
If this were simply a case of supply and demand then the video game would cost $0
just pirate it then wait for sale if you really like it
The distant past
>$49.99 for game (cheaper on pc and sometimes more on nintendo consoles)
The past
>$59.99 for the game + x number of $9.99 dlcs
The recent past
>$59.99 for the game + $7.99 for day one dlc + $2.99 for premium loot box and $1.99 for standard loot box + $9.99 for skins + $15.99 for dlc
Today
>$69.99 for the game + $19.99 for the season pass (needs to be rebought up to four times a year) + $29.99 for the deluxe season pass + $19.99 for a single skin (there are hundreds of skins)
This is nonsense games make more money than ever and they'll have you believe they are all starving artists.
damn it's almost like games cost more to make than they did when the height of the medium was 16-bit pixel graphics and bleepbloops
it's almost like it takes larger teams all of whom make far larger salaries due to the increase in cost of living
nah frick that actually, reasonable explanations mean nothing next to your entitlement
>We spent 800 gazillion dollars on marketing and filled our team with diversity hires so you have to pay more or you want people to starve
>AAA games cost 10 times more to make than they did 10-20 years ago
>still worse than indie games made for $20 and a green lollipop
maybe they should look into reducing budgets and making games people actually want to pay for
The triple A industry really has brainwashed you. Good games have good gameplay and the amount of money it takes produce it is irrelevant. Just because a dev spent more to make a game doesn't make it good. See all the failed current gen games out there.
>Marketing, the board and various other positions of nobody justifying their continued existence
Indiechads can make a single game that sells a million copies and be set for the next few years with a sequel. Compare that to a AAAslop producer and it will barely cover the operating costs of the month alone.
>operating costs
>them giant tax sink gay factories they and all the esports team insist on building
>marketing parties costing hundreds and thousands for them to all circle jerk each other
>3 marketing consultants for everyone 1 code/designer
Can't half tell why all of them are insufferable c**ts
They also make make more profit than ever despite not having increased in price that much
>entitlement
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaard
>You lost a costumer (sic) for life
>*Banned*
Motherfricking Todd -Close the Door on Your Way Out- Howard.
Just come back in 5 years, Bethesda games are never worth it at launch and by then they'll have all the DLC that people lie and say saves the game (it never does) in a GOTY bundle for $10.
If you can’t afford a $70 video game you shouldn’t be playing video games.
I can afford to. I just don't want to.
>gamepass
>if you refuse to spend $200 on overpriced juggling balls you shouldn't hold things ever
Are you moronic?
>mfw I just don't eat for a day or two so I can afford my vidya
He's right about what? The only reason 70 dollars would be a problem is because the game offers less than 70 hours of quality content. Outside of what contr/a/ritroons on Ganker say, Bethesda's main studio in Maryland which not responsible for Fallout 76 which was made by a separate studio in Austin has consistently been delivering games that have several hundred hours worth of quality GOTY tier content.
Looking at my playtime with Bethesda games often exceeding 300 hours and in some cases reaching 600-1000 they're giving me over 10x the return on investment I give them.
If Starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it.
several hundred hours of something, anyway
fiddling with mods to make it moderately bearable to play, maybe
>GUYS LOOK AT ME
>I HAVE SAID SOMETHING CONTRARIAN AGAINST BETHESDA DO I FIT IN YET?
If something is fun to do why wouldn't you do it over and over again, especially if you're making progress doing said thing over and over again.
Why do we eat, have sex, or abuse substances over and over again in some cases when we really don't need to, especially with the latter?
You can be contrarian and say you don't like the game that is almost universally praised and sold over 60 million copies and appeals to just about everyone but, it won't you objectively correct.
alright, todd. you win. I do like being able to climb mountains that I can see. but don't act like, after a certain amount of investment, it's not a waste of time that couldn't be better spent on anything else. basically, your mountain climbing simulator has diminishing returns, just like sex, food, and substances. in the case of those things, though, they're driven by chemical addiction in the brain - dopamine and serotonin, a wienertail of physiological effects taking place. while this is also true for video games, it's not on the same level.
you won't go away, so that'd be a bad investment. besides, you're not even worth a response, but since you're such a greedy bawd for attention, here you go, kiddo. another (you). please have a nice day later on, ok?
>The only reason 70 dollars would be a problem is because the game offers less than 70 hours of quality content
how do you quantify that? yeah, you can sink 1000 hours in skyrim, raiding your upteenth draugr/bandit/falmer/vampire/den with the same exact puzzles and level design. does that mean it's worth doing?
>if starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it
a fool and his money are easily parted.
I did spend 300 primarily for Starfield my gaming laptop only has 6gb vram so I bought an s with Starfield included on Newegg I’ll probably play some other slop too like FIFA the show and modern warfare I’m pretty casual these days besides for civilization and EUIV on the laptop I don’t play much
>If Starfield cost 300 dollars I would have bought it.
Import the Collectors from aussie then. Every penny goes back to Todd in the end.
I refuse to pay for games until global warming is solved and Ukraine is saved.
did gamepass get rid of those $1 subscriptions?
you can still game the system to get it for free with Bing points I think
Oh no! He's being priced out of his hedonistic lifestyle by real world needs, how terrible! We have to make the government bigger in order to save this man!
By all reason game dev should be cheaper than ever with the tools they have access to that make the old tools look like sticks and rocks but its not because teams are bloated, filled with diversity hires and moronic web devs, and marketing budgets are out of control. Despite the bloated budgets games are more profitable than ever but cattle will say we should pay more because mr.moneybags says he's struggling while making $60 million a year.
No, making us pay more is not justified. If they really want to cut costs they should debloat by firing the dead weight. Hire small teams of competent artists and programmers like teams in the old days and don't spend tens of millions getting celebrities in your games just to speak three lines. Hiring 30 competent programmers at 150k a year makes a fricking lot more sense than 500 code monkeys at $65k a year. Why does a company like Treyarch need 600+ employees? It makes no sense.
>pic related
This, you take a look at any dev team these days and its filled with unnecessary job positions, and they're usually paid more than the people actually putting work into making the game, too. It's full of fricking bureaucratic make-work.
should have gotten a better education.
After so many complaints I'm starting to think we're arriving at the real reason they're raising prices: the market can bear it but it means less games in total get sold
Remember the storage space wars and the attention economy? Move that to the side a bit because here comes people who have figured out exhausting your gaming budget means their competition doesn't make any money
>the market can bear it but it means less games in total get sold
>people have figured out exhausting your gaming budget means their competition doesn't make any money
that's pretty fricked up. smart, but fricked up. god damn this industry is fricked.
Won't that just push more people to piracy or wait for sales? Or am I too PC brained?
>first you bloat the game out to push the competition off the storage drive. Using the lowest common denominator of the Series S you have around 600 gigs to play around with before questions start getting asked or a hardware refresh is required
>employ psychologist approved methods of control in the form of FOMO, timegated content, grindwalls, battlepasses, paid skips and social climbing incentives via skins and badges of honor
>years of user metrics have given you insight into customer spending so now you can start tightening the noose around the majority while keeping the whales content in their hamster wheels
70$ US or 90$ CAD for a video game is indeed too much money. Which is why I will pirate or wait for it to be on sale 2 years from now after many patches. It's a Bethesda game after all, it'll be buggy as frick on launch so might as well wait for it to get beta tested by day 1 buyers.
>Vidya games are over $100 after taxes in Leafland
>Meanwhile new BluRay films of extraordinarily high budgets are still $25 after all this inflation
I'd pay $200 for a multiplayer game at this point if it didn't have any microtransactions in it
HOW COULD YOU I AM LITERALLY STARVING OVER HERE EXPECTING ME TO PUT UP SEVENDEE DOLARRES WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT WHEN I GOTS PAY THE INTERNET BILL AND TEH ELECTRIC BILL HOW COULD YOU RAISE THE PRICE BY 10 BILLS ?? ? WHAT ABOUT US POOR PEOPLE?
I don't mind the $70 price tag. I either pirate, buy keys from sketchy sites or wait for sales. Before I purchase anything I have many other options to consider.
Now remind us how that episode ended again?
poors aren't people
Play it on gamepass? It's going to be 30 dollarsa in 6 months
70? I'll never be your costumer ever again!!!!
>buys starfield a day later
>literally thousands of games
>must consoom current thing
every vidya boycott ever
the industry is fricked and it's the costumers fault
This isn't a videogames thing, if you look at trends no voluntary boycott of anything has been able to meaningfully impact the profit margins of the company in question, this isn't government sanctions we're talking about here.
What boycotts do accomplish is damage the reputation of companies.
>2020+3
>paying for games
This. Everytime I paid for a game in those recent years I regretted it, not only because of the high cost, but also and more importantly, because the quality was never matching the price in question.
So outside of some rare online only games (like RUST), I pirate all games. Those frickers does not deserve 1 cents from me.
>entertainment budget for the month is exactly $60
>can't just not buy a game one month and save for next month, required by law to buy one game per month
>and now this
I can't believe they're doing this to us, bros
>Quality does not improve
>Demand more $$ for shallower effort.
why don't people just go earn more money if they feel as though they need more money?
>strict limits on how much you can earn put in place by others to ensure that they and not you are enriched by your efforts.
What strict limits? Taxes? It's true, taxes suck and is essentially theft after you earn a certain amount, but the top 10% pays like 60% of taxes in the US, and the bottom 50% pays essentially nothing, and I imaging those talking about starving and $70 games aren't paying much taxes.
>think the only economic limits on deriving the full value of your labor is taxes
Oh, you're one of those morons.
Tell me, do Karl Marx's pubes taste like how his loyal followers smell? I ask because you seem to have had ample experience sucking his shriveled, besmegma'd wiener
Tell me, do Milton Friedman's pubes taste like how his loyal followers smell? I ask because you seem to have had ample experience sucking his shriveled, besmegma'd wiener
I bet you think unions are good things too, huh
The fact that you think otherwise says everything we need to know that you don't give a frick about workers
Proving his point much?
>single people can bargain on the same level of corporations with their lawyers on retainer, people who do this for a living as opposed to you who focus on your job
This is the moronation you're trying to convince me of
poorgays have been taught by the welfare state that sitting on their collective asses and b***hing gets similar results with less effort. unfortunately they all went to public schools so they don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to realize that this tactic doesn't work for luxury items like video games
The absolute irony of parroting reganite hack talking points and mindlessly whining about welfare while accusing others of lacking critical thinking skills
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of not being poor. you'll have to speak up
Thanks for proving my point. Your entire ideology revolves around hating the poor and gaslighitng others into your GOP propaganda.
sorry, I'm afraid I can't quite understand you. I don't speak poor, you see.
You can't understand much of anything it seems
If you had money you'd hate the poor too. Bottom-feeding leeches, that's all you are. Always crying for daddy government to steal from the job creators to support your worthless hides, because you're too lazy or too stupid to go out an earn a real wage.
Really we should just eliminate welfare of all kinds and let the poors die off. You don't contribute to society, you starve in the streets, simple as.
How does it feel knowing without a shadow of a doubt the world would be a better place if your parents had aborted you
I couldn't tell you. I'm not poor, so I don't know what that feels like
you're poor and brown and smell like curry and BO and you know it
Bloody bastard do needful and buy gamepass sir
I'm afraid I don't know any of that, ma'am.
Yes you do. Must burn you up inside, doesn't it.
>always make this argument till they get caught embezzling, underpaying workers, or giving jobs to their friends, or cheating on their taxes, and then it's always "problem? xD" "is just economics bro"
Frick you, you're just projecting your own scummy behaviour on others because you're justifying your shitty power trip. People like you deserve the guillotines pre-emptively.
Good luck with that. The police are on our side, and they're militarized, so I don't expect you'll have much success with the guillotine
>our
Heh. You're the useful fodder. They aren't protecting you, moron. You're the one they're going to feed to the guillotines hoping that satisfies the anger.
Cope. Police have never once been on the side of the poors.
You sound like a leftist
I sound like someone who isn't moronic
if you think cops ever have aligned or ever will align with the interests of poors, you're moronic
>I sound like someone who isn't moronic
Your posts show otherwise.
>I sound like someone who isn't moronic
>interests
>police are just more useful idiots like you sent to die so the strife doesn't reach the leeches who are the architect of that.
if you really are as rich as you pretend to be, you better watch yourself, saying shit like that. you're gonna fricking lynched one of these days, and deservedly, if this is how you really feel.
>implying
See
Hes got a private army. The boy is untouchable to the unwashed masses.
Nice larp homosexual.
Oh nooo Benchod is seething lol
Literally who
apparently, it means sisterfricker in some brown middle eastern language. I had to look it up, so you're most likely talking to a pajeet who as we speak is shitting in the street and shitposting in this thread
bloody b***h bastard you bloody b***h
sounds about right
cope. delusional cope at that.
money can (and does!) buy more than enough muscle to make sure none of you disgusting poors ever gets close enough to do the lynching.
accept your lot in life. we won. go get a job.
Only idiots pay for games these days.
so no then
Oh man I'm happy to pay and extra $10 for everyone to acknowledge I'm a fricking moron
>You can also pick your pronoun
I'll stick with Skyrim ty.
>I'll stick with Skyrim ty.
>you can become a freemason
I'll still with Persona ty
frick yea he is. troonyfield is:
89.99CAD standard
129.99CAD for premium digital
the only 2 options on steam
>CAD
Can you use a real currency like euros or pounds instead of your maple syrup scented monopoly money
no.
the currency conversion of 89.99CAD is 66.12USD.
And thats before tax.
So how much do US customers actually pay for new games typically then? Every other country in the world includes the tax in the price because they aren't moronic.
>meanwhile in Australia
Just pirate the anniversary edition in 10 years
>go to JB
>get 20 bucks off
tfw wagecuck
>priced out of my hobby
Stamp and coin collectors spend thousands of dollars just for a rare stamp or coin. .
You know, he doesn't have to buy every brand new game out there immediately from a studio like Bethesda. Sounds like entitlement and seething because he can't keep up with his FOMO.
>B b but muh stampz
Stamps and coins are also physical goods with actual limited quantities available.
Digital games are literally hot air.
>Stamp and coin collectors spend thousands of dollars just for a rare stamp or coin
do they really? what a poor use of money, unless those items retain their value and you wouldn't go hungry or skip payments or whatever without that cash.
>he doesn't have to buy every brand new game out there immediately
true, but it's not about FOMO, it's about pushing back against these industry asshats trying to establish a new precedent.
True. We really shouldn't pay any money for shit we can get free. That's just being an idiot
Going from 60 to 70 is a 20 per cent price raise for no real reason.
Bad math
The actual reason is they want fatter profit margins but morons on Ganker will try to argue it's inflation or development costs too much to cope with reality.
Why not just wait for a sale?
Extroverts are ruled by FOMO, if they aren't doing what everybody else is doing when they're doing it, they're not socialising, and it drives them insane.
>it's a eternally online and jobless socialist shitting up a Ganker thread thread
With this much anger, he'll probably buy it anyway.
Call of Duty was the most egregious example of this. "Here's the 42nd installment of this franchise, no different from the previous, but it's $70 lol" Frick off.
I looked up that thread and it's full of consoomers sucking Bethesda's wiener and defending the price tag. It's a sad world we live in, get ready for 80$ price tags.
>play vanilla on gamepass
>buy complete edition after a few years on discount
There you go poorgays who are afraid to pirate
Why does it seem like more people are appealing to emotion to make others feel guilty these days? It's a fricking corporation.
>more voice lines than Skyrim and Fallout 4 combined
>1000 planets
>eight years of development time
Let’s talk about something that’s actually not worth $70
I sometimes wonder if Bethesda dickriders are real or just pretending
I know this thread was made by an OP thats disingenuous but the problem is still there. I feel like we are all in the same pot as consumers of this type of entertainment and somehow people goad about just how much more they are able to pay than others. I thought that as consumers we always strive to get something cheaper and the publishers are the ones who try to sell it for more money. We have reached a point where the consumer somehow brags about just how much more money he can give to the publisher instead of actively fighting back this practice. It is not the duty of the consumer to start spouting garbage like the inflation idea. If you really need to give more money to a publisher then just send them the money and thats that. But morons won't do that because they as well say that they won't pay more than they have to.. At the end of the day if you go meet your friends and you gloat about how you spent twice the money on a product they also bought they would just shame you. Why doesn't that apply here?
>Turn employees into ambassadors
>Customers into fanatics
>Brands into religions
You are looking at the end result to this very mantra.
I am not talking just about that. Just reading this thread i see sihtposters who push the narrative of people being poor and thats why they won't accept this. How can it be that in a thread with 111 unique ip's on a board filled with "gamers" there are people who are so facetious. There is no difference between the shitposter and the mantra you wrote. They are not helping anyone but the companies they hate and try to make fun of. Its literally the reaction image with the guy pissing himself and going "rent free".
Call of Duty is the worst in the industry and people defend it so I have no hope.
>$70 for basically the same game that was released the year prior
>Old game is filled with hackers because they stop banning them
>$20 battle pass
>$30 super battle pass (for extra good goys)
>$10-20 weapon skins, some with attachments that are outright better than stock like this thermal sight
>$20 player skins
>Menu is so full of ads for skins and battle pass to the point that its difficult to navigate
dude that totally doesnt give you an advantage its just like a difference of 50,000% contrast or so
>call of duty is the worst
>not every 2k game for the past ten years
>Devs kvetching games aren't selling as good as they used to, wondering if it's because of the price hike.
Lol. Why are the people in power always moronic.
Even of someone can afford it, no one is going to willingly accept a near 20% pricehike out of principle.
Gamedevving has never been easier than it is today and you have the fricking audacity to try and scam and gaslight people into believing gamez need to be more expensive?
Didn't you israelites say games needed to have microtransactions and battlepasses n shit to make up for the increased Dev cost (lol)?
So why are the mtx still in the games now? You don't get to have both, israelites.
No wonder the "industry" is seething at baldurs gate and larian. Larian basically called out every single israelite game dev. They made a complete game. No mtx, no bullshit. One price of SIXTY DOLLARIDOOS. And what's more is that they'll prolly give you an upgraded version of bg3 a year later for FREE just like with divinity os 1 and 2
They were singing the high praise of Baldur's Gate and now went back to shilling for a 70 dollaridoos release even if Starfield had aprox the same dev time as BG3 under a studio that is well known for fricking it up and asking the community to fix stuff. Even if we know it won't even have the features of fricking NMS which is laughable
Baldurs gate 3 existing is living proof that all this "we need microtransactions and battlepasses" and "games need to cost 70 dollars" is nothing but like lies.
Just pirate you fricking morons
It's so easy and costs nothing just do it
I don't care if he's right. I'll be playing Starfield for zero (0) dollars because I'm not a tech illiterate moron that can't into piracy.
>buying Bethesda games
You're fricking moronic and deserve to be poor if you willingly buy anything from Bethesda after Fallout 76.
Is $70 a lot of money for the poors?
That's kinda pathetic.
We got to the point where games are so shitty and so filled with garbage ways to milk more money because of your stupid mentality. Don't know how you feel you are on a higher stair than everybody else when the companies milk you the same way. You are literally laughing at the water level rising.
gaming is such a cheap hobby.
70 dollars is pretty cheap for a game compared to the past.
In the 1980s they had very simplistic games selling for over 100 dollars which would be well over 200 dollars today.
You kids are so spoiled today and don't even realize it.
You have the most amount of cheap entertainment to choose from and all you do is whine and complain.
Maybe we need a World War 3 just to show you how good your life really is.
Bunch of entitled shits.
>70 dollars is pretty cheap for a game
Absolutely not.
Behold, and then adjust for inflation.
You don't know how good you have it lil zoom.
>and then adjust for inflation
how about no. What is this talking point even?
>and then adjust for inflation.
I don't need to. Games aren't pegged to inflation, those cartridges costs far more to manufacture distribute, weren't being sold digitally, and sold like complete shit compared to how many copies the average AAA game sells today.
Dumbass zoomer.
Posting mail order catalogues from the 90s showing goofy ass game prices in response to '70 dollars is a lot of fricking money for a game' should legit get you booted offline, terminal levels of being an idiot on display
>Behold, and then adjust for inflation.
Look at this number and then add an imaginary other number to it then you will see that I am right!
Not him, games were incredibly expensive luxury items back then, yes, but they were technically more affordable because everything else in your budget was much cheaper and you were being paid more. People are complaining about games going up in price when they should be complaining about their purchasing power being reduced while actual necessities are being inflated in value thanks to artificially induced scarcity via production and supply not being expanded to match the demand.
Listen zoomer I was working back then and I can tell you we were not getting paid more.
You would have to go back to the 1970s for good wages.
The present day has the cheapest entertainment ever.
You zoomers are so spoiled and never had to deal with real hardship.
Can't wait for shit to hit the fan so you can see how good you had it. Then maybe you will have something real to whine about.
>and I can tell you we were not getting paid more.
If you were already wealthy then sure.
This graph is bullshit. It's supposed to make you think the poor are getting poorer while the rich get richer but the reality is everyone is getting richer. Just some people are getting more richer than others. That's doesn't really matter and if you think it does it just means you're a butter jealous loser that resents the success of others.
>This graph is bullshit.
>the reality is everyone is getting richer
lol
What you just posted in no way disproves what I said. The low and middle class incomes have not declined. They've gone up. Not nearly as much as the high income earners but they still went up.
>what is real income
Go outside.
I don't understand you people. Do you actually believe the standard of living was better in the 50s? Are you moronic?
Like I said, you don't understand much of anything.
Yes, there was jobs and wives for everyone
People could actually aford a home
Seeth
>Yes, there was jobs
There's jobs for everyone today. There's more job vacancies than there are unemployed people. No, they're not all high paying low effort white collar work but someone has to shovel the shit.
>and wives for everyone
If you had a job you'd probably find it a lot easier to get a wife.
>People could actually aford a home
This is the one thing I can actually get behind. The governments have completely fricked the housing market for a lot of the western world. Kind of like how they're now fricking up the food market post covid.
Are *you* moronic? We're talking about real wages and purchasing power which has declined since the 80s, not the standard of living in the 50s. Get real.
People were generally much happier and not diagnosed with 50 mental illnesses and pumped with big pharma (another fricking branch of bog corp that needs to burn, no I'll never play into the psyop of "TAKE UR |MEDSz"
What you just posted in no way disproves what I said. The low and middle class incomes have declined. They've gone down while high income earners have gone up exponentially more than everyone elses.
>The low and middle class incomes have not declined. They've gone up.
Not really, no.
>whats between the 20th and 40th percentile
>you're a butter jealous loser
Most intelligent pedocon
>you're a butter jealous loser
>I'm a picker not a chooser
>I'm the seller you're the user
>you romance her I abuse her
>( her her her)
>yeaaahhhh
>uhh
>some people get more richer
>some do youtube, some are twitchers
> I take a picha of my bicha melissa suckin >dicksa at the disco mixa right before she >swallows my elixa
I guess it depends on the work you were doing and where you were doing it, but I sure as frick was being paid better back then for the same work. The entertainment is cheap, but as I said, everything else is more expensive in comparison to what it was back then. I still have my budget sheets from then, the discrepancy is obvious, other goods and services have shot up in cost faster than wages.
The only reason anyone is complaining about the increase in vidya is because it is the latest and most obvious cost increase they can point at, they didn't notice the incremental increases of every other expense that they have because no one taught them to record their expenses, so they can't make comparison beyond their attention span of the current news cycle.
In what way are you helping you fricking homosexual. You are literally cutting the branch you are sitting on just to "Own the zoomers". What the frick is your problem?
>You zoomers are so spoiled and never had to deal with real hardship.
Third one doesn't make any sense. The initial mortgage on my parent's house in the 70's was 14%.
How much did your parent's house cost?
Just because your parents were morons doesn't make the rest of the populous morons.
Also, who the frick knows what their parent's mortgage was 40 years ago. Reeks of homosexualry.
>and you were being paid more
Uh, what? No you weren't. Maybe compared to post covid government fricked economy maybe but not compared to like 2018 or something.
purchasing power moron
Was pretty flat from the entire era where video games were a thing. The huge decline happened in the 60s and 70s, not really the 80s and 90s and certainly not in the last couple of decades.
>The huge decline happened in the 60s and 70s, not really the 80s and 90s and certainly not in the last couple of decades.
This is just a straight up fricking lie btw
Funny that the only good game on there is $25.
Now list the sales figures for those games.
>In the 1980s they had very simplistic games selling for over 100 dollars
This constantly brought up shill point means nothing because this was before prices were standardized to $49.99. There is an entire history of the struggle from 50 to 60 then 60 to 70 in the industry. This is meaningless
Well costumers are important without em we wouldn't have hot cosplayers and that's free marketing
>see price for interesting game
>huh, that's pretty steep
>wait for a sale
simple as
only kids with no self-control or discipline pre-order or buy games at full price
everyone with ocd pre orders games because it drives them insane to not have every available item in a product they spent 70 bucks one
Stop buying games then idiot. But the people who make pathetic posts like this have an addiction that buy everything they see and are the problem. The corporation has no moral ground. The corporation is in it for the profit, not hungry kids in Africa or whatever you feel like blabbing on about with your emotions all out of wack like a estrogenic female.
>The corporation has no moral ground.
100% this
The really question is why do consumers have any moral imperative here
Modern man is a child with zero disciplinary self control and video games are for children. This industry was rigged from the start.
If you're not a child yourself what are you doing on Ganker?
This is an 18+ website
A manchild website
In other words, not an actual child website
and wtf are you doing here then? shilling?
Did I imply somewhere I'm not a modern man? Man, I wish I were typing this from the 1800s.
Those posts are not about talking to the corporation. Its about waking the morons up. The corporation SHOULD be in it for the profit BUT the consumer should be in it for QUALITY and AFFORDABLE prices. And honestly seeing posts here and on the steam discussions the people who should listen to this are just smug because they get to spend more for less
>The corporation has no moral ground
this is why regulations exist, to keep idiot corporations in check and prevent them from burning down the amazon rainforest in pursuit of whatever bullshit thing they can sell for 0.05% ROI.
It's wokeslop anyway
I only buy stuff on sale, i haven't bought a game on release in 10 years.
And mostly i get indie games that are cheap and have ridiculous amount of hours in them. 500+ hours on both Rimworld and Kenshi, if i really want a AAA game i'll wait, i only just got Fallout 4 GOTY on sale for sub-10 bucks and now i have it with all the patches, DLC, and well matured modding community.
Give up on the hype, it'll ruin vidya as a hobby. Unless you're in a scene(fightan, shootan, whatevan) never get the new game.
Why was he banned? Like I get him b***hing about the price is stupid, he can either pirate/wait for a sale but is it worth a ban?
Keep in mind you're paying $70 for a digital copy wich costs the company $0 to reproduce
anyone have any data on what the cost of mass producing games used to be?
Just dont buy it at launch lol. Who does that? Fricking fomo gays
lol
Video games are a luxury good. If you can't afford it you can't afford it. Tough shit. The guy may as well be complaining about not being able to buy a Ferrari for $20k.
notice how no one is talking about starfield at all in this thread? lmao it is over. Don't fall for the soon to be (I'm sure) extensive shill campaign for this pos game
so starfield won't have drm or require constant patches right
>or require constant patches right
ha
leakers have said the game is mostly bug free and they've had an entire year just for bugfixing
i've never played a modded bethesda game and i never will
>breaks all your mods
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
Watching Ganker talk about economics and money makes me sick.
since when has downlodable software been subject to supply and demand?
paying anything more than 30$ for a game is a self-scam
Why is it every time I see people complaining on the steam forums, they usually get banned for it? Are devs really this corrupt that they know their game can't stand up to criticism so they silence it?
that depends, does steam have anything to gain financially by the success of games it puts on its platform?
the short answer is that steam forums are turning into giantbomb/gamefaqs in terms of quality of posts and discussion. if you've ever been to gamefaqs you know what I mean. it's a place where trolling is the order of the day, even moreso than Ganker, and since the forums are so heavily moderated the people doing the trolling have to be clever about how they do it - no cursing, no breach of rules lest your bait thread gets roasted and you get put in time out.
basically, people on steam forums troll hard and make a nuisance of themselves, people get mad, and the response is that people just get banned.
Its over
i went to grad school on scholarship because i was told i could be rich
now i'm living under a bridge eating beans from can and wiping my ass with woven grass
>I made a bad decision and now everyone else must pay for it
Pay your loan.
games used to cost $200 in todays money
nah I'm a third worlder so every game until PS3 and Blueray became a thing was pirated disc that costs less than $1. GBA cartridges usually have dozens of games in 1.
Thats not how it works dipshit
>600 for rent
fricking where
>20 for health insurance
da frick
>other: 100 dollars
yeah like people just have 100 extra dollars they aren't using for the shit you listed. plus you forgot fuel, toiletries, groceries, internet, cell phone service, prescription drugs if you've got some kind of illness, etc. not including other expenses that might crop up.
>800 dollars spending money
same point; people don't just have 800 fricking dollars that they aren't already using.
another good out of touch kyke propaganda piece
Still blows my mind this was real. No fricking way they got OK'd all the way up the chain to run this garbage.
who the frick donates 600 bucks every month? goddamn morons
>$615 in donations
Imagine the tax breaks
Donations to who?
ur mother
if you're starving and cant pay rent maybe you dont have time for a frickin videogame you manchild homosexual
Stop feeding them and they'll die. You only have yourself to blame.
>you only have yourself to blame for millions of mindless consumers buying it even when you don't
Yes
Wrong
Yes, you're not doing a good enough job to educate the collective while corporations keep running huge ads paid for by more just like (You)
But I'm not paying for ads
>price of everything else doubles
>this is fine
>price of videogames goes up 10%
>NOOOOO israeliteS israeliteS FRICKING israeliteS WHY ARE YOU STEALING FROM ME FRICK YOU I WILL NEVER BUY A $70
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I bet people who whine like this only work part time at retail and want to live in the most expensive cities like L.A.
These kids are so entitled and think their parents were just given free shit.
In reality their parents had to deal with high inflation in the 1970s and 1980s and it was worse than now.
And in the present day there are many more programs to help lower income people.
If you actually put in the effort you could easily make a living.
I live in the most expensive state working a dead end warehouse job with no education and I was able to save over 100k in a few years because I didn't have to buy the new iPhone or other tech junk that zoomers spend all their money on.
Learn to budget and you will find it easy to save for retirement.
Stop blaming your parent's generation for your mistakes.
>These kids are so entitled
Stopped reading there, opinion discarded.
rekt
Imagine how good it could be if they didn't frick up the economy and you still budgeted responsibly.
ok boomer
Yeah your entire post is nonsense and you're talking out of your ass
https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/
source: Federal Housing Finance Agency
>median home value USA 1974: $28,789.00
>median home value USA 2023: $379,068.00
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDMINNFRWG
source: US Department of Labor
>federal minimum wage USA 1974: $2.00/h
>federal minimum wage USA 2023: $7.25/h
>hours of work at federal minimum wage required to earn the median home value in 1974: 14,394.5 hours (6.5 years working 43 h/week, 50 weeks / year)
>hours of work at federal minimum wage required to earn the median home value in 2023: 52,285.24 hours (24.32 years working 43 h/week, 50 weeks / year)
>What the federal minimum wage SHOULD BE to earn the median home value in 14,394.5 hours $26.33/hour
But nobody actually earns min-wage, so here are some Stats what people were actually earning.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021301612&view=1up&seq=406
source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics
>Data for production workers / nonsupervisory employees in various industries
>Total, gross hourly earnings (1974) by Industry:
>Mining: $5.21/h
>Contract construction: $6.75/h
>Transportation and public utilities: $5.43/h
>Wholesale trade: $4.49/h
Using the previous metric we can calculate what those people should be earning today:
>Mining: $68.59/h
>Contract construction: $88.86/h
>Transportation and public utilities: $71.49/h
>Wholesale trade: $59.11/h
Keep in mind we are talking about NON-SUPERVISORY employees here, e.g. for Construction sites it's the Mexican worker-grunts, not the guy giving orders.
So tell me, can some random lad who didn't even finish his highschool diploma go to a random construction site, give the Boss-man a firm handshake and start working the next day for $88.86/hour?
No? Because that was the reality boomers were living in 1974.
Your numbers are off.
6.75 in 1974 is 44.28 today.
You can easily make over 40 dollars in a trade job. Most people I know who work in such a field like lineman or welder make over 100k after 5 years.
Hell you can get out of high school and join a manufacturing warehouse as a maintenance mechanic in training. They will pay for your training and after a year or so you can easily make 40 an hour.
Companies are paying huge bonuses to fill these positions because not many people are applying for them.
I know kids in their early 20s make over 100k as maintenance mechanics with no college education.
All the zoomers these days are lazy and don't want to learn a trade. They think they should be able to sit at home and be a youtube influencer.
They want to be paid top dollar for a starting position with no experience.
The way you make 100k is by building a skillset then switching jobs every few years.
For every person making 40 dollars in a trade job there is a methead junkie working for less than $16 dollars. Get real.
Maybe don't be a methhead then.
I am being honest, 40 an hour is easy to find.
About 10% of the adult U.S. population are millionaires.
It is not an impossible goal to reach.
>About 10% of the adult U.S. population are millionaires.
(x)-doubt
He's not wrong when you factor in assets like property. The problem is that those millionaires as a group kicked the rungs out from under them getting where they are, making it progressively harder for anyone else to do the same.
Bait
>less than 10% of the adult U.S. population are "millionaires" (has a net worth of over $1 million including the value of all there assets illiquid)
The fact that you think this is some kind of counter to anything posted ITT is fricking hilarious.
>for every tradie making $40/hour there are dozens making less than half that
>hurr durr don't be a methead
You are terminally moronic.
You're not being honest.
>I know kids in their early 20s make over 100k as maintenance mechanics with no college education.
>All the zoomers these days are lazy and don't want to learn a trade
Did you train this bot on conservitard forums or something
Why would companies pay you more if they can get away with less.
That is why you switch companies. After gaining a few years of experience.
You will find that companies will offer you huge bonuses and pay raises if you have the right skillset.
Learn to network as well. You will find great opportunities if you make small talk with clients or just other employees.
Your parent's generation weren't spending the majority of their life in one company. That was your grandparents generation and it was pretty much the only generation to do this.
Stop whining and making excuses just because you can't work at the same job your whole life.
No one is going to give you handouts for doing nothing.
You have to put in the effort to build your skillsets and market yourself as a valuable asset.
If you don't want to be under a company then why not start your own? I bet if you managed your own company you wouldn't just give people free stuff. You would expect them to work for their pay and if they wanted more money they would have to prove they are worth a raise.
boomer ass
go to bed gay ass
We are literally telling you companies are getting away with paying you less than they used to you moron.
>Your parent's generation weren't spending the majority of their life in one company.
Most of them changed jobs once or twice at best. Do you get off on getting yelled at and proven wrong or some shit
If they are getting away with paying you less then switch jobs to a company that offers more.
If they don't offer more then find another skillset that is more sought after.
It just sounds like you want to make excuses for being lazy and not trying at all.
You have to build a skillset, do some networking and learn how to market yourself as a valuable asset.
>If they don't offer more then find another skillset that is more sought after.
>It just sounds like you want to make excuses for being lazy and not trying at all.
You post like a bot.
>literally "just start your own company if you don't like it"
The absolute state of boomercons
Imagine arguing that life shouldn't be better, in a way that was previously shown to be possible, just so you can feel smug about being in your crab bucket. Total fricking slave mentality. But you're the hardest working little crab, yes you are, yes you are! When will you brag about how many hours you work? I know you're dying to.
>switching jobs every few years.
my parents and grandparents worked at the same place for 40-50 years. why should we have to switch jobs because companies don't want to compensate what they already have
Boomers were demonstrably paid more for starting positions with no experience than millennials let alone zoomers are.
>The way you make 100k is by building a skillset then switching jobs every few years.
Which you didn't have to do before 2008 to reach the same income. How are you this dense
>Your numbers are off.
>6.75 in 1974 is 44.28 today.
That doesn't disprove anything in his post. The average person wasn't making less than $3/hour back then.
no, i grew up with a single mother who worked in a grocery store all her life. i did well in school and got my PhD in a STEM field. I'm only making $80k a year while rent chews away at half my income to live close enough to my job to commute and the rest is eaten away by other costs of living. there's no clawing your way out of lower class anymore. anyone getting by has had parents in privileged positions.
I got a useless degree, thankfully by luck fell into a position outside of my degree and am making 72. It's the same here, 50% goes to rent, 25% to student loans, It's definitely jaded me towards any motherfricker that has generational support. Its' insanity.
shit is gonna get fricked once student loans restart next month. i honestly don't know what i'm gonna fricking do because it'll be another $300 a month for me and I went to a shitty state school for undergrad
Lol get this man, my folks took out loans on my behalf for me, they call 'em parent plus.
I've got 27k in my name, thats about 150 a month on the longest lowest plan. Those parent plus loans? They've ballooned to $150,000. I've got to take that on and consolidate, at this point prior to consolidation I owe $1050 a month on loans, 1525 on rent. I'm 23 and I'm debating bankruptcy.
hol up i used to work in my fin aid dept how the hell did you grab enough parent+ loans to get it to balloon to 150k? it sounds like you misplaced a decimal but even then it's questionable
I wish I had answers for you, all I know for certain is the numbers. 8 semesters of parent plus in my Mom's name, 8 semesters in my name. I've logged into her account, it's genuinely 150k and change. People around me keep trying to say that she fricked me and used it outside of my schooling but I don't think that's even possible. The only upcharge I had in 4 years of college was housing and that couldn't have equaled more than 20k over 4 years.
does she have a gambling problem
Kek, no, b***h works 2 jobs to fund a facade upper-class life. Boat and nice car. She lives in a really small town so that highschool status shit still matters.
>Learn to budget and you will find it easy to save for retirement.
You forgot to mention giving your boss a firm handshake
Make sure to look him in the eye too. Works every time go get em champ.
Man, I had to pay rent to my mom, not too much, but it still stung knowing that her parents bought her first house outright for her to live in at 21.
>I bet these people work in the largest sector and want to live in the major population centers
Wow what scum
No one pays 7.25.
Most places pay near 20 an hour.
Also big macs don't cost 8 dollars. I can find them for half that price.
the federal min wage is basically a running joke. look in your local area and nobody's going under 15
He won't make them costumes anymore? Harsh
>that top image
lol
Your parents weren't taking skiing holidays all the time. They couldn't afford it. Millennials may be used to the idea of taking yearly holiday trips but that was not a thing for their parents unless they were stinking rich. My family was comfortably middle class and we only ever had two holidays in my entire childhood. You had to save for years for a holiday.
This reminds me of my sister who always complains about how she has no money but also she frequently goes on holidays overseas. She's visited dozens countries. Sometimes multiple in a year. That's why you have no money, you dumb b***h.
>holiday.
i thought euros got lots of benefits and wat not govna
you telling me it's shitty over there too
>You had to save for years for a holiday.
This isn't true, but middle class families weren't going on expensive vacations to Disneyland or flying overseas every year either. Most annual "holidays" meant going camping or visiting a different town or city a couple of states over.
>skiing is for the rich
Wow, who knew?
Buying a single lettuce also won't make you broke, anon.
>Kill or Expel all the israelites
>???
>Cheap video games!
My foolproof plan.
gay thread bye from page 9
It's been fun watching this Reganite hack get his back blown out all thread. Just incredible stuff.
Hey, listen up
*outsources jobs*
when I was your age
*guts manufacturing sector*
We had to pull ourselves up
*impovrishes nation*
By our bootstraps
*imports third worlders*
Look our boss in the eye
*require college degree for entry level position*
Shake his hand
*Increases national debt through social security*
And work our asses off
*decreases wages*
You kids today have it so easy
*hyperinflates property values*
With all of your fancy iPhones
*Implements suicide nets at slave factories*
And internet technology
*Implements orwellian police state*
You need to learn the value of hard work
*Pays college tuition with part time job at McDonalds*
And earning what you want
*makes penises illeigal*
instead of demanding it for free
*squanders inheritance*
Learn to appriciate the value of money
*erodes purchasing power of the dollar*
Instead of wasting it so flagrantly
*sends hundreds of billions of dollars to third world nations per year*
Pay your own way
*comps $100k in sushi*
And stop being so damned degenerate
*Acid flashbacks to woodstock*
Get a wife and raise a family
*implements no fault divorce*
We aren't going to be able to support you forever
*cashes retirement check*
So you need to take responsability for the future
*sells land to foreign nations*
You have to get right with god
*donates childrens trust fund to televangelist*
And stop being such a weakling
*poisons water supply*
So man the frick up and give me some grandchildren
*donates daughter to remote african tribes*
Or this Great nation is doomed
*shits self*
*downs 37 perscriptions*
*audible pacemaker sounds*
*outlives children*
*gets raped to death by bengali nurses*
*wills life savings to trump organization*
guys i love sucking wieners and also my 401k match is actually 50%
welp this has been a fun thread. time to get some sleep.
Insanity that we're getting boomer justifications here in this thread.
You bastards realize you're one of us, right?.. RIGHT???
It's just one terminally autistic gay with a humiliation fetish.