heya /tg/ food world building thread!
What would a purely carnivore race eat? let's say any form of "greens" would be completely out of the question, this would include things used just for flavor like rosemary, garlic, even black pepper.
mineral like salt would maybe be fine?
and for the sake of it, how about the reverse too, purely herbivore too.
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one thought I had is flavors that are found more fruits and vegetables such as sweet, sour, and bitter would be muted on a meat eater race's palate, but salty, umami, and savory would be much more diverse.
meats cooked, baked, and smoked are the most obvious as well as stews that are heavy on cream too. Sushimi of not only fish but any fresh mean i think would be something more diverse to a meat eater race, and then cheese that maybe are far more pungent than normal ones omnivore races eat would be a specialty, along with salted and fermented meats.
Why are so many /tg/ threads
>Hey guys, I just had the bare minimum for what counts as an idea. Could y'all do the legwork of making it actually interesting?
Because that's how a conversation works. Is your braindamage self-inflicted or were you born this way?
>Because that's how a conversation works.
Touch grass. Touch concrete even. Talk to anyone who isn't an AI chat bot.
>What would a purely carnivore race eat?
Didn't we already answer this like 12 years ago while elaborating on Sergal society?
>implying anyone but absolute mongoloids engaged with sergalgay
Please commit to autoeuthanasia.
sergal meme has reached a bit too far
Dont forget to portrait the race with large canine teeth.
They would eat meat.
It's fun to think about what people in your world might eat. I've got a wealthy port/trade city with a founding myth about a red dragon, and decided one of the local dishes was a type of fish covered in (expensive, mostly imported) spices that give it a red color, roasted whole, and called it "Red Dragon." Then decided the poorer of the city had their own versions- "White Dragon" (Fish in a cream sauce), and "Green Dragon", the most common variety, which is fish with an herb sauce (I tried several combos and ended up accidentally recreating Pesto).
Even more fun is to actually make it for yourself to eat.
>cooking yourself fictional recipes from your own campaign setting
Unironically Chad-level hobbying. You should be proud.
I would never, ever eat food cooked by cats.
That's cool as frick, good job anon.
>What would a purely carnivore race eat?
...Meat. What kind of fricking question is this?
In what form, shit-for-brains? What sorts of dishes would they prepare? Spices? Herbs? Cooking methods?
>In what form, shit-for-brains?
Convenient forms
>What sorts of dishes would they prepare?
Meat dishes
>Spices? Herbs? Cooking methods?
Depends on the setting
Cooked meat. Probably with salt, because that's an abundant preservative and flavor enhancer. You can fricking leave now, moron.
>Spices? Herbs?
Yes, depending on availability
>Cooking methods?
Cooking, frying, grilling, sautéing, baking, searing, marinating
Like, I legitimately don't understand what you're looking for here that can't get from a recipe website or a cookbook.
>Like, I legitimately don't understand what you're looking for here that can't get from a recipe website or a cookbook.
Shitters are too used to coming here and asking vague questions, because they expect /tg/ to be a crowd-sourced ChatGPT that just spits out dozens of amusing and interesting posts in response to every bland, half-formed thought that pops into their heads. OP isn't just a homosexual, he's an outright brainlet who thought the concept of eating meat was somehow interesting enough that people would just start making up a whole whimsical fantasy world of spices and cooking techniques that no one had ever thought of just because he asked about what carnivores would eat.
What game system are you planning on using and how will the choice in food be reflected mechanically?
Mechanics for a Dungeon Meshi-like "cooking for a long campaign in the dungeon"? I tried AD&D 1e DMG and has nothing.
I would grant a campfire dish a score of 1-3 based solely on how well its preparation was role played.
The score would be appended to the healing rate overnight provided temperature, dryness and shelter were taken care of.
Monster Menu-All for AD&D 1E.
What a shit thread. I thought this would be a thread about the logistics of Dungeoneering and how to do it given the image. What a disappointment
Just contributing some elf-grub.
no, WE'RE delicious in dungeon ..
The idea of a purely herbivorous sentient race is intriguing to me, would their duets be pretty close to real-life vegetarians?
Probably.
Fantasy vegans would be limited to what can grow locally and what can be affordably traded with neighboring areas. They'd probably also be genetically inclined to be able to fully function off such a diet, instead of needing to supplement their various vitamin deficiencies like real human vegans do, and still end up malnourished by, because the body can't fully absorb nutrients in pill form, and the absorption rate is even worse on a low-fat diet.
How about a form of ... cultural honour depending on WHAT the meat is? Like a small-ish prey animal is expected, wow you caught a rabbit, well done you. But serving up manticore steaks is implying you are mighty enough to have killed it yourself. It also affects their foreign relations as no matter how sophisticated the diplomat, there's always that small child inside them that says "they're eating vegetables. Eewww. Stuff that took no effort to hunt. And they call themselves 'strong', ha." Also offers an interesting question about more modern/sci-fi settings where food is more abundant, what is the kudos of picking up some dragon nuggets from the supermarket?
Maybe they have taboos about sentient 'food' - perhaps they have a greeting ritual on meeting strangers is to determine if they're "people" or prey?
Lizardmen immediately canceling negotiations because they got hungry for man-flesh is funny.
why is this manga so popular. I get Berserk (league of its own) and even Goblin Slayer (cute harem, enjoyable rape) but this?? I assume the audience isn't really dark fantasy but is more like 'girls who like food'.
You need to go outside urgently
Read it or watch it and find out for yourself. Or go be a gay and look for a youtuber to give you an opinion about it, since you're a decade late to the party.
To support a big carnivore population? Fish and other maritime foodstuffs. From cods and whales to shrimp and isopods. Me and my family once fried and ate pic related. Not worth it, it sorta tastes like bland fried shrimps, and it took about 2-3 hours to gather a kilo.
Another PC made up a nation of origin once, and we established that they produced a lot of rice and sheep. Me and my brother once tried out cooking a sheep risotto. It was tasty.
My favorite PC, the one I played the most and ended up as a NPC afterwards, was fond of fried potato & onions, all sliced up and fried with olive oil, plus salt and a bit of chive and parsley. You don't have to boil the potatoes first.
I have elves as the most diverse race when it comes to gastronomy, as new tastes and combinations of ingredients helps fight off the ennui of living a long life. They make ciders, wines and cognacs out of every fruit they can grow on the spherical greenhouses hanging from their giant tree-cities, using transparent sap plates instead of glass.
My turn:
Would fungi count as what? They are neither animals or vegetables, and provide a lot of proteins.
Hoe exactly would either scenario affect farming? I've heard somewhere that raising meat animals takes up more relative space than growing the nutritional equivalent for fruits and vegetables, so presumably they'd need more space, especially if they also grow things like corn as feed for the livestock, or am I remembering wrong and am completely off base? Not to mention how an all-herbivore race would approach farming, besides the obvious of no farm animals besides those used as beasts of burden.
>am I remembering wrong
No, you're right. Meat farming is famously and notoriously inefficient because the animals need food as well and you're getting nowhere near 100% efficiency in the process.
100% efficiency is impossible, but livestock tend to provide more materials than just meat. Hide, fur, wool, bone, sinew, and even fertilizer for crops are very valuable and useful, too. It's why bug farming will be a disaster if they ever try to force it as the primary food source for humans.
>100% efficiency is impossible
To be honest, 100% is only part of the conversation because I was using conservative language. The caloric efficiency of beef is LESS THAN 2%.
You can include other potential byproducts and it wouldn't make nearly enough of a difference. You're better off growing cotton for fiber and harvesting lumber for whatever you'd make out of bone, and you could do that because switching from beef to legumes would literally multiply your available land by 50.
There's a reason carnivorous species in nature have such miniscule populations: it's simply impossible to feed more of them. A carnivorous sapient/humanoid/whatever race is of questionable viability and would likely be limited to a nomadic hunting lifestyle.
>because switching from beef to legumes would literally multiply your available land by 50.
Except cattle are largely grazed on land that can't support any food crops at all. Thats why cattle were raised on those lands in the first place. There is a whole spectrum of land utterly worthless for food crops that supports grazing meat animals just fine.
nta, I am not well educated on this, but what your saying sounds incorrect just on common sense grounds.
Then again, common sense has far from a perfect track record, so perhaps I'll just ask, how does what your saying work? Surely if land can be grazed upon, it would be just great for crops, too, right? Or not?
Cattle eat low energy grasses that are impossible for humans to digest. Those grasses can grow in low nutrient soil that food crops can't. As long as you're moving them around a lot, which is why there are a lot of ranches with absolutely massive areas. An added benefit, is that cattle can rejuvenate the areas they leave, by shitting there as they eat. If you do these things in the right way, you basically create a crop rotation of grasses.
On top of this, for efficient farming you need large amounts of flat ground. Cattle can be grazed on hilly countrysides or even full rocky terrain assuming theirs enough grass forage.
That all assumes you're not doing factory farming, which is pretty gross. But they still feed factory cattle stuff that humans can't eat. Things like grain cuttings, or even fricking candy byproducts. The idea that cattle raising is taking up land that could be used to farm food crops is patently false and always has been.
Hey that's pretty interesting. Thanks, fa/tg/uy.
If you want to talk about limited, old-timey cattle-raising, I won't argue. Maybe that's enough for a fantasy race.
But if you want to talk about real life, you're only talking about the past. There's massive demand for beef and it's absolutely being raised on land that's suitable for other crops.
Cattle that are being raised for that kind of demand are being factory farmed, which doesn't take up land either. It does other shitty stuff to the environment, but its not the massive land demand that you think it is.
>factory farm
Do factory cows... not eat?
They eat things that humans can't. Why would you feed cows perfectly good human food when you can feed them the stalks and other castoff from grains or corn or even other processed food byproducts?
Seriously, actually do some research on the subject. Most cow feed isn't anything a human could eat, and very little of it is specially grown. A cow doesn't even properly eat like a human. It can be said they actually eat the bacteria they raise in their stomach, which can be fed on all sorts of things that you wouldn't think they can be.
>which can be fed on all sorts of things that you wouldn't think they can be.
Such as?
>Why would you feed cows perfectly good human food
Because you produce surplus of it. Not all the bread supermarket puts on the shelves gets sold before hitting its best-before date. Although it usually goes to pigs rather than cows.
>Cattle that are being raised for that kind of demand are being factory farmed, which doesn't take up land either.
that's rather modern take, all the way up to tail end of 20th century farms were single story building, only poulty could be stacked vertically
Factory farming isn't necessarily vertical. Packing cattle in tightly and feeding them from troughs, keeping them mostly indoors etc thats all factory farming.
If you're actually ranching cattle, that isn't factory farming. You tend to hear the term factory more used for poultry since they can be raised in even worse conditions and still live long enough to be worth harvesting. Cattle need to live too long for single stall super compact farming to be efficient (for the most part, I've heard of some awful conditions kept sustainable solely through antibiotics). Basically if they get to live in a field, its not factory. And, I believe, though I could be wrong, the majority of cattle are not raised like that.
But you're still not taking up farming land that could be used to feed humans, as the other anon was implying.
Virtually any plant fiber short of wood.
So, how would farm structure differ in civilizations made of primarily carnivorous races versus herbivorous ones then?
Most carnivores IRL can eat some greens, they're just not able to break most of it down for nutrients (though some might be dangerous if their system can't properly handle it), so don't discount stuff for seasoning.
As for what? It very much depends on what's around. Are they a nomadic culture that travel to find sources of prey animals, or do they have domesticated livestock? If the latter, then I recommend CGP Grey's video "Why Some Animals Can't be Domesticated" as it touches on what to consider.
>What would a purely carnivore race eat?
Meat, I'd reckon.
I drew weird limpet soup for my oc donut steel setting once. Took inspiration from Dungeon Meshi back when I was drawing this.
Did you actually draw that
Yes.
Keep in mind that some “herbivores”, like deer (especially red deer) and other hooves mammals have been documented to snack on things like baby birds, the theory being that they’re looking for a quick protein boost, so it’s likely that a “herbivorous” race might occasionally eat meat. The reverse I’m not as sure on, as I know that dogs will occasionally swallow grass, but I’m not sure if they get any actual nutrients from it. Still, something to consider.
time to hunt
Cool gif. How would deer-folk hunt besides goring prey with their antlers though?
Any form of greens? You're basically just looking at proteins and salt. You'd see a lot of variation of meat with the carnivores eating bits that we'd normally throw out (i.e. Brains, lungs, tongues, feet), and you'll see a lot of variations on how to cook something (boiled, baked, fried etc.) but ultimately it's pretty limited.
As for herbivores? See Veganism. Lots of grains and beans.
>What would a purely carnivore race eat?
meat lol
So, creatures don't fit cleanly into herbivore/carnivore/omnivore roles as cleanly as most people expect. It just defines a creature's preferences, but for some reason people like you assume the food types outside their wheelhouse are literally poisonous to them, which is wrong as hell.
Horses, for example, regularly eat rodents and small birds and stuff because they need the extra calcium for their bones.
Wolves have been known to eat berries.
I could go on.
What this means in a fantasy race context is that the Lionman character is not going to be poisoned if there's garlic on his steak, and the Cowman character is capable of eating meat, he just probably won't want to.
Yeah, I've heard that too, I wonder where the idea of those roles being so rigid came from. Speaking of wolves, do canines actually 'eat' grass sometimes?