There have already been tons of epic scale 40k and 30k models and rules made by fan communities for free or more reasonable prices than anything GW will ever do for maybe decades at this point without GW fricking it up.
The issue is that this will further divide the community between GW drones and old players, especially because the scales will be different. I hope GW loses this battle and axes epic relatively soon or the game dies in the womb.
It looks good, and GW bringing back epic in the hh is a very good move on their part. I don’t really see why you’re mad? GW finally did something good which people have been asking about for a long time.
1. they're going to remove all of the fan books off the internet.
2. HH is a terrible choice, where are my orks god damn it?
marines have support for days but not orks
>GW bringing back epic in the hh is a very good move on their part.
How? I imagine that there are a good chunk of would-be players that have now been turned off since they wanted to play xenos or chaos factions. I liked Epic for the titanic daemon engines, not the tanks.
I already know the origins of Epic. Pointing out that they did this before doesn't answer my question of how it's a, to quote you, "very good move" to do it again.
I'm actually excited about this. 40K/HH has always felt too small to me. This isn't quite operational level, but it's a step in the right direction.
I am concerned about the level of support, though. It sounds like it's just marines and Solar Auxilia, but I'd really like to see Mechanicum also -- maybe Imperial Army, too.
I don't think I'll buy it until I learn more about how they're handling the rules. The release tempo will play a big part, too. I don't want to get caught like I did with HH and have key units missing.
I hope they just picked up Armageddon rules and modified them slightly, the rules were fine and if they stick to what people are still playing after 15 years they can't do much wrong.
It sounds like they're going to be making a new set of rules out of all the other epic scale rules, rather than basing it primarily in one or the other. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
>I'm actually excited about this. 40K/HH has always felt too small to me. This isn't quite operational level, but it's a step in the right direction.
it is and it isn't.
Sure i'll get games against marine players and that's nice because i don't own marines for like a season at most
Just having epic back is great, but it's HH so my orks are not showing up.
also they might take down the massive catalogue of fan projects if they keep the rules the same.
the box they are showing off looks pretty good but small for epic40k
you should expect pic rel level of shit, and in the old days you'd get a lot of shit on one sprue.
Seriously though,
company of 14 stands of guard infantry = 190
Armoured is like 500 for 14 stands + 7/8 chimera (i think the commander gets his own.
average games tends to be 3k
marines are weird because they were a very fragile army to play ITT certainly more elite then guard but i figure the legions are going to play more like guard which is going to be pretty weird.
As far as the size, it *is* just a starter box. I never expected them to bring back epic 40k. Too many armies that not enough people are interested in. With Horus Heresy they can produce max four lines of figures (Legions, Mechanicum, Solar Aux, Imperial Army) and cover the entire war. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer to have Xenos armies to fight, but I think this is a good compromise.
>I'm actually excited about this. 40K/HH has always felt too small to me. This isn't quite operational level, but it's a step in the right direction.
it is and it isn't.
Sure i'll get games against marine players and that's nice because i don't own marines for like a season at most
Just having epic back is great, but it's HH so my orks are not showing up.
also they might take down the massive catalogue of fan projects if they keep the rules the same.
the box they are showing off looks pretty good but small for epic40k
you should expect pic rel level of shit, and in the old days you'd get a lot of shit on one sprue.
Seriously though,
company of 14 stands of guard infantry = 190
Armoured is like 500 for 14 stands + 7/8 chimera (i think the commander gets his own.
average games tends to be 3k
marines are weird because they were a very fragile army to play ITT certainly more elite then guard but i figure the legions are going to play more like guard which is going to be pretty weird.
no, many of these are the updated metals, the lemans particularly. several of them are from an old dead game that was often used for epic proxies. the sentinels are first edition plastics along with the rest of the infantry.
I own many of these old metals, the lemans, the hellhounds and the baneblades
you know gw wont fully commit unless they see a decent response.
40k rogue trader didnt start with eldar,tyranids,OR chaos. they were all exansions later on.
Cause as far as I'm concerned, Titanicus was in the exact same boat. From what I've heard, it sold pretty well, but it never expanded to Xenos/Chaos specific units.
I'm not getting my hopes up that this will ever expand out from the HH era, and nobody else should either. This just makes me sad though, cause I'd gladly pay for some Gargants...
>you know gw wont fully commit unless they see a decent response.
idk how they expect to receive said response if they don't throw the xenos and chaos players some bones
Old Epic was pretty consistent, Infantry and small tanks were 6mm while warmachines like Titans were smaller than 6mm.
Has GW accepted that the modern Adeptus Titanicus titans are actually 6mm (or close to, like 6.5mm or something), because at various points it's been said to be 8mm and 7mm.
Either way the Adeptus Titanicus stuff looks good alongside the 6mm infantry from old Epic.
They're fictional things in fictional settings - the only relevant scale is 1:1 to the minis that were sold. Old AT scale was something like 6mm infantry, 20-25mm vehicles, and maybe 40-55 titans. By the time of E:A the titans and aircraft were a bit bigger, then Forge World's epic division made stuff that was a little bigger still, then GW killed the setting. The era of community development and 3d printing brought yet more gradual scale creep from snowflake SM and/or Titan-focused players looking to compensate for small penises with slightly larger small minis than their opponents, until GW came back to blown them out of the water with even bigger titans. And now, presumably, even bigger marines.
Presumably we'll soon see prints of other factions scaled up to meet the new normal, the snowflakes will add another 5-10% so they still feel special, and the cycle will continue as it always has.
>Presumably we'll soon see prints of other factions scaled up to meet the new normal
That has been done for years, after AT got released people quickly figured it is just the first step towards rereleasing Epic. Scaling everything to 25% compared to the 40k counterparts is also easier to figure out, I actually support this more consistent scale, in the end it doesn't affect the rules except for Titan shenanigans that barely ever has any relevance (they can step over terrain that is as high as their knees).
Where are you uploading to these days? Cults?
Yes, haven't uploaded anything yet, still need to clean up my models, https://cults3d.com/en/users/Base_Department/
Oh right right, I remember you! Yeah your tyranids are awesome man. I don't have a picture on my phone but all the gaunts and warriors in my tyranid army are yours man. So I also love you too, thanks for making those designs.
Those marines are looking awesome man!
Thank you man, glad you enjoy them, really happy to see people printed them a lot during the time I didn't pay any attention.
The marines are remixes of the usual evil marines/galactic crusaders remixes everone uses, there is. just a severe lack of noisy boys out there and some NetEA units are even nowhere to be found, so I'm trying to fill those gaps. Also working on vehicles, planning to make several little remixes with chaos chapter specific decorations based on Forgeworld parts.
>https://cults3d.com/en/users/Base_Department/
Yeeee. Following now. I liked your Nids from back in /3dpg/. Looking forward to whatever you end up uploading.
Why are people acting like Epic Armageddon isnt the most well supported game with 3D prints and 3rd party companies on planet earth?
Like, you can print an army of orks or eldar for $30 of resin, then go find your local Legiones Imperialis players and ask them to play Armageddon. I'm sure they'd be down since you can use all the models in both games.
They have already been told to go frick themselves by Cults in regards to STLs that are free and are not 1:1 of existing GW models. GW will have no claim on anything currently already in circulation for EpicHH due to them existing prior to GW's physical product.
They're clones of their large 40k models, of course they can copyright claim them, do you think giving the STL a different default scale magically turns off any copyright?
They've been trying to fight this for years, I even received a seize and desist for the pic related nids I created years ago.
Pic related is neither printed or painted by me, I have no idea who made them, people just spread them and I love it.
You are forgetting that the 40K models came first before the STLs, which isn't the case in this new scenario. On top of which their ability to actually claim the stuff has never been seriously challenged legally as GW does not sell STLs and exist in an entirely different market to them and thus have no actual claim to stuff on the web. Physical product was a different situation since that was in direct competition in the same market so they had grounds to make claim that people were copying their property.
All that being said scale change is transformative enough that they may not even have serious claim on those grounds alone. The exception being actual trademarked names and iconography which are a definite no-go. So far the closest thing we have to this sort of situation is when GW went after Forest Dragon for their Elf stuff which had some close to 1:1 models despite that being 10mm, but it only went as far as a C&D and FD cucked out and changed a number of the STLs to comply.
No, I used the name "BaseDepartment" on Thingyverse, my stuff wasn't up for long but my minis luckily spread far and wide. I only made Nids back then, my interest dropped after GWs seize and desist shenanigans and I only recently got back into Epic, working on Emperors Children right now, haven't uploaded them yet.
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Where are you uploading to these days? Cults?
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Oh right right, I remember you! Yeah your tyranids are awesome man. I don't have a picture on my phone but all the gaunts and warriors in my tyranid army are yours man. So I also love you too, thanks for making those designs.
Is the Epic 3D printing community nolonger a really closed off group that you need to somehow prove you are a "real player" to even get noob access to never mind actually getting 3D files or people selling you prints?
No, there are tons of people who insist on making models for free and accept your enjoyment as payment.
Even on piracy groups on Telegram for example you'll find the actual modellers spreading their stuff themselves there after GW had it taken down from cults/thingyverse etc.
The secret is the way things are named, because that's the kicker, you need to figure out the names of things since they can't name them like the models they're based on.
"Galactic Crusaders", "Space Bugs" etc.
Was it ever like that? There is an absolute shit ton of stuff available for free and paid on the major STL sites. It is probably just creators getting salty about 3rd parties printing and selling their stuff without them getting a cut.
No, there are tons of people who insist on making models for free and accept your enjoyment as payment.
Even on piracy groups on Telegram for example you'll find the actual modellers spreading their stuff themselves there after GW had it taken down from cults/thingyverse etc.
The secret is the way things are named, because that's the kicker, you need to figure out the names of things since they can't name them like the models they're based on.
"Galactic Crusaders", "Space Bugs" etc.
Maybe I'm thinking of old recasters rather than 3D printers, if so my appologies to the 3D crowd.
As long as it's within the permitted model base surface area, it's kosher in NE:A. The most common base sizes for anything short of titans and knights you'll find are 5mm by 40mm and 20mm by 20mm. Each base surface area must have at least one side that is 20mm long. I've seen people play with round bases that fit within these measurements before, but I'd ask online just to make sure that's okay.
I am just surprised that they are doing a mixed box instead of just Marines. I would have preferred they whole ass a single faction rather than half ass multiple. Plus Marines only would have worked better for doing loyalist vs traitor without needing to really change up the boxes or do multiple of them at launch.
Well if you base everything off US Army Scale 6mm/1:285 where a 1.72m tall human is 6mm.
Warhound Titan - 14m At Rest
Adeptus Titanicus Warhound - 56mm not at rest
If walking adds 1m then it's 1:270 scale (1.72m is 6.4mm), 2m then it's 1:285 (1.72m is 6mm), 3m then it's 1:300 (1.72m is 5.7mm).
For the 40k model which is 10.5" (266.7mm) tall, if walking adds 1m then it's 1:56 (1.72m is 30mm), if it adds 2m then it's 1:60 (1.72m is 28mm)
End of the day though none of that matters as much as "does everything look okay next to each other". I would say the modern Adeptus Titanicus stuff looks good next to old Epic infantry.
a chode
A new heavy sentinel for the solar auxilia, looks boss. This is the best GW preview in a long time.
Pretty much this.
>monkeys paw
>getting cool new units
??
There have already been tons of epic scale 40k and 30k models and rules made by fan communities for free or more reasonable prices than anything GW will ever do for maybe decades at this point without GW fricking it up.
So continue playing those if they're better?
Was already going to and don't need your half question passive aggressive permission.
Continue being a b***h on the hype train though.
>being mad for no reason because other people won't join your hipster hating on something new just cause its new
You sound like a moronic gay
Nta but you are a wienersucking cuck shill with terrible taste and no common sense.
The issue is that this will further divide the community between GW drones and old players, especially because the scales will be different. I hope GW loses this battle and axes epic relatively soon or the game dies in the womb.
It looks good, and GW bringing back epic in the hh is a very good move on their part. I don’t really see why you’re mad? GW finally did something good which people have been asking about for a long time.
OP is the middle guy in this image, the worst kind of NPC.
The guy on the right is the biggest NPC tho
1. they're going to remove all of the fan books off the internet.
2. HH is a terrible choice, where are my orks god damn it?
marines have support for days but not orks
fr, I would dump entire paychecks into epic if there had an ork faction. GW won’t let me smash gargants into titans and it’s making me MAD.
>GW bringing back epic in the hh is a very good move on their part.
How? I imagine that there are a good chunk of would-be players that have now been turned off since they wanted to play xenos or chaos factions. I liked Epic for the titanic daemon engines, not the tanks.
>How?
You might want to look into the origins of Epic.
I already know the origins of Epic. Pointing out that they did this before doesn't answer my question of how it's a, to quote you, "very good move" to do it again.
Just give it a few years.
Stop drinking the scotch Macca
Imagine his face when he saw both the new heresy announcement and then the epic announcement.
>no torso twist
>no gun traverse
And these guys are suppose to be second only to space marines...
I'm actually excited about this. 40K/HH has always felt too small to me. This isn't quite operational level, but it's a step in the right direction.
I am concerned about the level of support, though. It sounds like it's just marines and Solar Auxilia, but I'd really like to see Mechanicum also -- maybe Imperial Army, too.
I don't think I'll buy it until I learn more about how they're handling the rules. The release tempo will play a big part, too. I don't want to get caught like I did with HH and have key units missing.
I hope they just picked up Armageddon rules and modified them slightly, the rules were fine and if they stick to what people are still playing after 15 years they can't do much wrong.
It sounds like they're going to be making a new set of rules out of all the other epic scale rules, rather than basing it primarily in one or the other. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
As far as the size, it *is* just a starter box. I never expected them to bring back epic 40k. Too many armies that not enough people are interested in. With Horus Heresy they can produce max four lines of figures (Legions, Mechanicum, Solar Aux, Imperial Army) and cover the entire war. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer to have Xenos armies to fight, but I think this is a good compromise.
>I'm actually excited about this. 40K/HH has always felt too small to me. This isn't quite operational level, but it's a step in the right direction.
it is and it isn't.
Sure i'll get games against marine players and that's nice because i don't own marines for like a season at most
Just having epic back is great, but it's HH so my orks are not showing up.
also they might take down the massive catalogue of fan projects if they keep the rules the same.
the box they are showing off looks pretty good but small for epic40k
you should expect pic rel level of shit, and in the old days you'd get a lot of shit on one sprue.
Seriously though,
company of 14 stands of guard infantry = 190
Armoured is like 500 for 14 stands + 7/8 chimera (i think the commander gets his own.
average games tends to be 3k
marines are weird because they were a very fragile army to play ITT certainly more elite then guard but i figure the legions are going to play more like guard which is going to be pretty weird.
IS this just 3d printed?
no, many of these are the updated metals, the lemans particularly. several of them are from an old dead game that was often used for epic proxies. the sentinels are first edition plastics along with the rest of the infantry.
I own many of these old metals, the lemans, the hellhounds and the baneblades
He cute
FrankenMech. Marauder + Catapult.
more like a catapult with a yeoman or locust
>What the frick is this?
space marines graduate into dreadnaughts, solar auxilia graduates into this.
Not 40k epic.
And if it's anything like ToW they will purge the internet of the rules and fan projects that have kept epic alive for the last 2 decades
Everyone's so fricking bitter.
I wouldn't be bitter if they had shown me some tiny titanic daemon engines.
you know gw wont fully commit unless they see a decent response.
40k rogue trader didnt start with eldar,tyranids,OR chaos. they were all exansions later on.
Except what would be considered "decent"?
Cause as far as I'm concerned, Titanicus was in the exact same boat. From what I've heard, it sold pretty well, but it never expanded to Xenos/Chaos specific units.
I'm not getting my hopes up that this will ever expand out from the HH era, and nobody else should either. This just makes me sad though, cause I'd gladly pay for some Gargants...
Why didn't they just start with the 40k version? It's bound to sell better.
You know why. They’re terrified of potentially losing their whales in 40k
>you know gw wont fully commit unless they see a decent response.
idk how they expect to receive said response if they don't throw the xenos and chaos players some bones
>40k rogue trader didnt start with eldar,tyranids,OR chaos
But it still had fricking orks.
They're not going to make anything that can't be used for both sides.
That's why this reveal sucks ass. Mirror match games are boring.
it's a very armored sentil from the horus heresy era
Do you guys recommend EpicAU or Imperius Dominatus for Epic 30k? Which is easier to get newbies into?
I might actually build my joint EC&IH force with these minis. Glad to see Solar Aux too.
Uh-oh, the NPC players are getting all uppity. Looks like the reveal accidentally reminded them that they play second-fiddle in the setting
Is this thing going to be in the old Epic scale or some new proprietary Scalius Ultimus®?
bit concerned by this, epic is in good hands with the community, gw have the capacity and track record to ruin a good thing
epic didn't actually have a consistent scale
Old Epic was pretty consistent, Infantry and small tanks were 6mm while warmachines like Titans were smaller than 6mm.
Has GW accepted that the modern Adeptus Titanicus titans are actually 6mm (or close to, like 6.5mm or something), because at various points it's been said to be 8mm and 7mm.
Either way the Adeptus Titanicus stuff looks good alongside the 6mm infantry from old Epic.
AT is 7mm. Literally the 40K models scaled down to 25% of their original size.
I don't think 40k vehicles have ever been 28mm when you actually measure them.
At least the infantry used to be 28mm 30 years ago.
They're fictional things in fictional settings - the only relevant scale is 1:1 to the minis that were sold. Old AT scale was something like 6mm infantry, 20-25mm vehicles, and maybe 40-55 titans. By the time of E:A the titans and aircraft were a bit bigger, then Forge World's epic division made stuff that was a little bigger still, then GW killed the setting. The era of community development and 3d printing brought yet more gradual scale creep from snowflake SM and/or Titan-focused players looking to compensate for small penises with slightly larger small minis than their opponents, until GW came back to blown them out of the water with even bigger titans. And now, presumably, even bigger marines.
Presumably we'll soon see prints of other factions scaled up to meet the new normal, the snowflakes will add another 5-10% so they still feel special, and the cycle will continue as it always has.
>Presumably we'll soon see prints of other factions scaled up to meet the new normal
That has been done for years, after AT got released people quickly figured it is just the first step towards rereleasing Epic. Scaling everything to 25% compared to the 40k counterparts is also easier to figure out, I actually support this more consistent scale, in the end it doesn't affect the rules except for Titan shenanigans that barely ever has any relevance (they can step over terrain that is as high as their knees).
Yes, haven't uploaded anything yet, still need to clean up my models, https://cults3d.com/en/users/Base_Department/
Thank you man, glad you enjoy them, really happy to see people printed them a lot during the time I didn't pay any attention.
The marines are remixes of the usual evil marines/galactic crusaders remixes everone uses, there is. just a severe lack of noisy boys out there and some NetEA units are even nowhere to be found, so I'm trying to fill those gaps. Also working on vehicles, planning to make several little remixes with chaos chapter specific decorations based on Forgeworld parts.
>https://cults3d.com/en/users/Base_Department/
Yeeee. Following now. I liked your Nids from back in /3dpg/. Looking forward to whatever you end up uploading.
Pretty epic
Chicken walker.
Why are people acting like Epic Armageddon isnt the most well supported game with 3D prints and 3rd party companies on planet earth?
Like, you can print an army of orks or eldar for $30 of resin, then go find your local Legiones Imperialis players and ask them to play Armageddon. I'm sure they'd be down since you can use all the models in both games.
Epic HH is good for people who want epic 40k.
The biggest issue is people are worried that GW will start going after these prints and parties.
They don't go after ones for 40k effectively enough I don't see why the would go harder for a spin off of a spin off game
They can't even take down 3rd parties or prints for their main game
They have already been told to go frick themselves by Cults in regards to STLs that are free and are not 1:1 of existing GW models. GW will have no claim on anything currently already in circulation for EpicHH due to them existing prior to GW's physical product.
They're clones of their large 40k models, of course they can copyright claim them, do you think giving the STL a different default scale magically turns off any copyright?
They've been trying to fight this for years, I even received a seize and desist for the pic related nids I created years ago.
Pic related is neither printed or painted by me, I have no idea who made them, people just spread them and I love it.
You are forgetting that the 40K models came first before the STLs, which isn't the case in this new scenario. On top of which their ability to actually claim the stuff has never been seriously challenged legally as GW does not sell STLs and exist in an entirely different market to them and thus have no actual claim to stuff on the web. Physical product was a different situation since that was in direct competition in the same market so they had grounds to make claim that people were copying their property.
All that being said scale change is transformative enough that they may not even have serious claim on those grounds alone. The exception being actual trademarked names and iconography which are a definite no-go. So far the closest thing we have to this sort of situation is when GW went after Forest Dragon for their Elf stuff which had some close to 1:1 models despite that being 10mm, but it only went as far as a C&D and FD cucked out and changed a number of the STLs to comply.
Are you JahnZizka? If so I love you man, I use all your guard stuff to this day.
No, I used the name "BaseDepartment" on Thingyverse, my stuff wasn't up for long but my minis luckily spread far and wide. I only made Nids back then, my interest dropped after GWs seize and desist shenanigans and I only recently got back into Epic, working on Emperors Children right now, haven't uploaded them yet.
Where are you uploading to these days? Cults?
Oh right right, I remember you! Yeah your tyranids are awesome man. I don't have a picture on my phone but all the gaunts and warriors in my tyranid army are yours man. So I also love you too, thanks for making those designs.
Those marines are looking awesome man!
Is the Epic 3D printing community nolonger a really closed off group that you need to somehow prove you are a "real player" to even get noob access to never mind actually getting 3D files or people selling you prints?
No, there are tons of people who insist on making models for free and accept your enjoyment as payment.
Even on piracy groups on Telegram for example you'll find the actual modellers spreading their stuff themselves there after GW had it taken down from cults/thingyverse etc.
The secret is the way things are named, because that's the kicker, you need to figure out the names of things since they can't name them like the models they're based on.
"Galactic Crusaders", "Space Bugs" etc.
Was it ever like that? There is an absolute shit ton of stuff available for free and paid on the major STL sites. It is probably just creators getting salty about 3rd parties printing and selling their stuff without them getting a cut.
Maybe I'm thinking of old recasters rather than 3D printers, if so my appologies to the 3D crowd.
Thank you.
Have fun!
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Should I use round, square or rectangle bases for my infantry in NetEpic?
I kinda like the look of the rectangles.
Battletech hexes
Rectangles are more common, I like squares for a more loose squad formation. Entirely up to you as long as they fit the pretty broad requirements.
As long as it's within the permitted model base surface area, it's kosher in NE:A. The most common base sizes for anything short of titans and knights you'll find are 5mm by 40mm and 20mm by 20mm. Each base surface area must have at least one side that is 20mm long. I've seen people play with round bases that fit within these measurements before, but I'd ask online just to make sure that's okay.
I am just surprised that they are doing a mixed box instead of just Marines. I would have preferred they whole ass a single faction rather than half ass multiple. Plus Marines only would have worked better for doing loyalist vs traitor without needing to really change up the boxes or do multiple of them at launch.
Well if you base everything off US Army Scale 6mm/1:285 where a 1.72m tall human is 6mm.
Warhound Titan - 14m At Rest
Adeptus Titanicus Warhound - 56mm not at rest
If walking adds 1m then it's 1:270 scale (1.72m is 6.4mm), 2m then it's 1:285 (1.72m is 6mm), 3m then it's 1:300 (1.72m is 5.7mm).
For the 40k model which is 10.5" (266.7mm) tall, if walking adds 1m then it's 1:56 (1.72m is 30mm), if it adds 2m then it's 1:60 (1.72m is 28mm)
End of the day though none of that matters as much as "does everything look okay next to each other". I would say the modern Adeptus Titanicus stuff looks good next to old Epic infantry.
Cute
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