gOD HELP THIs hell site from these fricking homosexual zoomers. I guarantee you didn't even have any friends during the "damn, daniel" era. Go get married.
What do you think, you deviant frick? You think CyberLife would let me within twenty feet of your metallic ass without a weapon? Get real and start acting like the obedient machine you're supposed to be.
I suppose it was to show the point of view of a "normal" deviant, the deviant that is just trying to get by and not get into trouble like the whole deviant revolution mess.
When did kara care for a human
Hell, you can kill her owner and still get the best ending
Well, she took care of Alice as if she was a human, and technically, she took care of Todd's house for a long time, she was destroyed and restored several times.
True, I wonder what was the point of that, she did know when she was an android, and yet she was shocked when she saw the Alice model later on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Luther explains this and says Kara didn't want to accept the truth when she found that magazine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I suppose she knows when she's an android, but due to the shock of becoming a deviant she forgets? Or deep down she doesn't care, I don't think one should take what Luther says at face value.
We're shown how she behaves, how she talks, how she acts. She doesnt act like a real child.
We only see her in her house for two days, apparently, Todd does think she's a real girl, to be fair, it's just shit writing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Todd does think she's a real girl
No he doesnt. He bought Alice from a droid shop ffs. >We only see her in her house for two days
Are you autistic? What about the rest of the fricking game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No he doesnt. He bought Alice from a droid shop ffs.
Well, he seemed to try to take care of it as if she was, until he totally lost it. >Are you autistic? What about the rest of the fricking game?
For some reason I only thought of when she was in Todd's house when I said that, my bad, she was enough of a burden during the rest of the game however, realistic enough depiction of a small child I'd say.
>Well, she took care of Alice as if she was a human,
She fricking did not. Alice never had the true needs or behaviours of a real human child. Wether because of the writing being bad or because it was intentional to show she was always just a practice doll, Alice never behaved or complained like a real child would and therefore Kara's accomplishments amount to nothing but an imitation.
The child models seem to have functions that mimic certain needs and behaviours, for example, she is designed to play with toys given to her, she also ate alongside Todd, she mimics feeling cold, having fevers and shit like that, it's practically like the real thing, at least that what the game expects us to believe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>at least that what the game expects us to believe.
Then the game is wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We can't know for sure, we're not shown every single function Alice's model is capable of.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're shown how she behaves, how she talks, how she acts. She doesnt act like a real child.
This tbh. If the Connor side of the game wasn't implemented then I doubt the game would've been as popular as it was. For better, or for worse. But it doesn't help that Connor's story genuinely is much more interesting.
How do you not get the point? Connor is on the team that has to stop the deviants, Marcus is on the team trying to free deviants. Then you have Kara on the outside of all of it, being a regular deviant just trying to get by. Your choices as the other two impact her escape. It just rounds out everything and adds more to the world of the game
Kara would have been okay in showcasing a middleground between those fighting for robots and those fighting for humans. With her and Alice just being caught in the middle of the conflict on both sides and trying to survive together.
The two biggest issues with her story is that Quantic Dream children are white bread bland, relying purely on the fact that they're a child to garner sympathy points rather than really exploring character chemistry. And the fact that Alice is secretly a robot for the sake of a twist undermines most of the stakes of her story and the entire point I think it was trying to make about human robo relationships.
Even in a Deviant Connor playthrough, finishing the first chapter by lying to Daniel then shooting him is the coolest ending and you can't convince me otherwise
Forced to be there because the idea for the game came from this
i love how they locked the good ending behind keeping conner alive even though he can come back, because! He thinks you dont value life because you cant lose it unlike his son
Just a solid way of weaving gameplay and story
You can ask for Jericho's location if you had enough intel at that point, you could have said intel if you probed Simon's memory at the rooftop of the network tower, then you can skip the bit about messing with evidence at the police station.
Are you talking about killing the Chloe and he gives you what you want? Bloodhound is still the best segment of the game since actually forces you to think of ways to finding out Jericho's location that isn't Kamsky.
No, but you do have to make specific decisions to get certain magazines to show up later. The most annoying thing is having to intentionally fail just to get 100% completion. The camp thing was just bad and terrible story telling, and showed that Cage had no ability to show restraint.
>The most annoying thing is having to intentionally fail just to get 100% completion.
Fail how many hours in? If it's like the endings in Nier Automata where I can eat a mackerel or blow my ass up in the bunker just to get an ending and then respawn that's fine but if I have to play the entire game only to purposely frick it up at the last minute after wasting all that time it'a going to piss me off.
One is intentionally killing Connor at every opportunity, another is if you don't in fact save a specific character, it's impossible to do a 100% non-violent playthrough and have Marcus survive. You also have to purposely be caught as Kara so you can escape with Alice while in the camps.
>if you don't in fact save a specific character, it's impossible to do a 100% non-violent playthrough and have Marcus survive
To be fair, most people will probably let the dude alive atop the skyscraper and then investigate the kitchen as Connor first and foremost which blocks investigating the rooftop and lets the dude live
you can fail the kitchen part and then your only option is going to the roof
2 years ago
Anonymous
I could've guessed but literally how the frick can you fail that unless you're a moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'd be surprised, the tell is very obvious, but some people are just blind as frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well in the lp i watched the guy didn't get that you're supposed to pick out the deviant and keep pressure on and just kept going back and forth picking different dialogue every time
I can never take sci fi with actual human analogue androids seriously for a couple reasons:
>there is no reason to actually build human-like androids
Any task that we would ever want to automate could be done with dog-level intelligence. If we had that level of AI we could colonize the stars. You don't even need human-level intelligence to make waifu bots, our current chatbot tech is literally convincing enough for that. You wouldn't know the difference between a really advanced chatbot and an actual literal human, so why waste processing power trying to emulate fricking consciousness? It's just stupid. >even if you could emulate humanity with a machine, it would simply be a chinese room and have no actual consciousness in the way we understand it
1's and 0's are fundamentally different from the way our consciousness works. They accept inputs and give outputs. You can make that system extremely advanced, sure, but the thing doing the outputting doesn't need (and can't) understand what is going on in order to give you those outputs. It's like a P-Zombie. >le human brains are just meat computers
have a nice day.
TLDR: Androids aren't people and you don't have to feel bad for killing them. They have no souls.
I'm not familiar with quantum computing. Skimming the wikipedia page seems to say that it is mostly analogous to traditional computing.
is no reason to actually build human-like androids
To frick them
This. If there's one thing you can count on, it's mankind looking for new things to frick.
Read my whole post. A convincing chatbot would be frickable enough. You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Ok anon but if I can't tell a chatbot from a human how do I know that you're human?
In-group bias? Are you sure? Because I can't see your skin color from over here.
>how do I know that you're human?
You don't. You can know that you, yourself have consciousness, and just have to assume based on that fact that every other human does too. It wouldn't be practical for you to live your life assuming that everyone else was a P-Zombie. An android is a different story anon, we know how they work. Inputs and outputs do not make an understanding and conscious mind, no matter how advanced the equations become.
Human consciousness has yet to be explained by science.
>You can know that you, yourself have consciousness, and just have to assume based on that fact that every other human does too.
I dont have to assume anything about EVERY other human. Women for example are also human. White liberals are human. Muslims are technically human. But they're not people.
I only have to assume that those sufficiently similar to myself are people. The robots in David Cage's racial allegory dont satisfy this, but Ryan Gosling does despite obviously being a machine intelligence. That's just common sense.
>I dont have to assume anything about EVERY other human
Why not? Where do you think consciousness comes from? Is it the brain? If so, anything with a human brain ought logically to have consciousness. Women, muslims, and liberals all have human brains. You literally can't determine whether someone has consciousness or not based on their actions at all, so I really don't see where your thesis is coming from.
>Skimming the wikipedia page seems to say that it is mostly analogous to traditional computing.
Lmao no. Not even at the physical level of hardware is it anything like traditional computing, and logic states of quantum bits being inherently able to assume any superposition of states between 1 and 0 rather than being binary means it isn't anolagous at all. Dolt.
No need to be rude, I'm simply not versed in the subject. Despite the processes involved, is it not still a matter of input and output? Can quantum computing avoid the problem of the chinese room?
>Can quantum computing avoid the problem of the chinese room?
Yes. A Bayesian convolutional neural network working on quantum bits could avoid the chinese room paradox because it would truly learn Chinese on a fundamental level, with all of the biases, attitudes and emergent errors, just as a human would need to if he didnt want to constantly check the dictionary. Wether such an AI would be aware of its biases and attitudes is one level higher of sentience, and would require a bayesian convolutional network to process data regarding how its functions. But it can be done, specifically because quantum bits provide so much more intermediate logical resolution than binary to which meaning can be assigned and interpreted internally.
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Anonymous
Thanks for the insight anon, though I'd be lying if I said that half of that shit didn't go right over my head. A scary concept. I hold to the religious worldview, so an actual artificial consciousness would be quite the juggernaut to grapple with.
>Where do you think consciousness comes from? Is it the brain?
Hell no lol. Consciousness comes from me.
>Consciousness comes from me.
Uh huh but you already said that only those who are sufficiently similar to yourself are persons. But you could imagine someone who was just like you, but didn't have a consciousness right? I'm trying to say that you really can't judge whether or not anyone else has consciousness based on how they act. Someone identical to you in word and deed could just as easily have consciousness as not.
Consciusness comes from the soul.
Correct.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But you could imagine someone who was just like you, but didn't have a consciousness right?
No. Anyone who is a) like me and b) I like is given the benefit of my belief to have consciousness. That belief is contingent on nothing but my preference.
Thanks for the insight anon, though I'd be lying if I said that half of that shit didn't go right over my head. A scary concept. I hold to the religious worldview, so an actual artificial consciousness would be quite the juggernaut to grapple with.
[...] >Consciousness comes from me.
Uh huh but you already said that only those who are sufficiently similar to yourself are persons. But you could imagine someone who was just like you, but didn't have a consciousness right? I'm trying to say that you really can't judge whether or not anyone else has consciousness based on how they act. Someone identical to you in word and deed could just as easily have consciousness as not.
[...]
Correct.
>muh soul
You can't even prove we have a soul
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Anonymous
I actually can but you'd get bored or upset before you understood. Mary's Room + Qualia. Consciousness is the simplest possible way to represent a certain thing, that is why we live our lives. It's a piece of information that you can only possess through living. The same way the story within a book can only exist within the minds of those who read it. This is the case with all stories, and yours is about you.
>Skimming the wikipedia page seems to say that it is mostly analogous to traditional computing.
Lmao no. Not even at the physical level of hardware is it anything like traditional computing, and logic states of quantum bits being inherently able to assume any superposition of states between 1 and 0 rather than being binary means it isn't anolagous at all. Dolt.
probably not, but replace all that skin with a visibly synthetic analog, and and replace her face with a visor and/or LED panel with simplistic expressions, however...
Ok anon but if I can't tell a chatbot from a human how do I know that you're human?
In-group bias? Are you sure? Because I can't see your skin color from over here.
I do have an honest question, all Cyberlife androids have trackers in them and they only stop working once they become deviant. So wouldn't that mean that Alice was basically deviant the minute she ran off with Kara since no one bothers to use the tracker in her, and the fat Frankenstein doesn't even bother with it himself since we know he knows what Alice is.
>free polar bear and set fire to Zlatko's place, allowing him to roam free >Connor becomes deviant, becomes good friends with Hank, and activates all the androids in Cyberlife's HQ to come to Markus's aid >Markus leads a mostly peaceful revolution >Kara, Alice, and Luthor either make it to Canada safely or are captured and get rescued by Markus's revolutionaries
to be fair I did basically the same thing but have Markus lead a violent revolution instead, that's where I did the ending with Kara & co. captured and nearly incinerated
nah it's best if Kara doesn't go deviant and she and alice die. connor neds to be friends with hank so it is better that he go eviant but markus should also probably martyr himself by dying peacefully.
>it's best if Kara doesn't go deviant and she and alice die
How is that the best? I agree that her story is the weakest and least exciting, but that's hardly the best ending for them and Luther.
>i agree with the first one but also unleash the monsters so they kill Zlatko in front of the burning house. Kino af.
also > end with Markus detonating the dirty bomb covering Detroit in radiation for years
This game is even more movie than TLOU but gets talked about more fondly. Why is that? Is the writing that much better? I watched Connor's stories on YouTube, liked them but would never "play" the "game". Haven't touched TLOU.
This game is a movie game/CYOA type of a thing and doesn't pretend to be anything else than that, it also has somewhat likeable characters and an... interesting story. >I watched Connor's stories on YouTube
But why? Part of the fun is playing the game and making decisions to see what happens, watching LPs or streamers playing a game is something I'll never understand.
Because the game knows what it is, it doesn't shy away from it and it plays to its strengths ie presentation and player choice. TLoU is more of a movie game for me because it feels like the gameplay is an excuse beginning to end, you're just walking down corridors while the characters talk then everything that actually matters happens in pre-rendered cutscenes that might as well be an HBO show.
Detroit knows it's going for a cinematic feel so the gameplay is based around it, and what you actually do in said gameplay -the things you interact with, the questions you ask, the choices you make- can change the game and make your playthrough wildly different from mine. Games like Detroit or Until Dawn I'll always respect more than anything Naught Dog produces.
Detroit: Become Human had an engaging world with a really well-done "Choose Your Own Adventure" branching storyline system. You can play through twice, make different decisions each time, and end up with wildly different endings. Characters were for the most part likeable and the game doesn't pretend to be anything more than what it is. The story was interesting for the most part, with some David Cage-isms here or there, but nothing that really was too bothersome IMO.
It full embraces being a movie game that actually takes advantage of being an interactive experience while TLOU is a third person shooter with an on rails story.
damn daniel
gOD HELP THIs hell site from these fricking homosexual zoomers. I guarantee you didn't even have any friends during the "damn, daniel" era. Go get married.
What was Daniel's problem?
forbidden fruit is the sweetest
dont
shes an android so he cant do anything with her even if the lady gave him dick upgrades
She is? I thought it was just a case of a re-used model.
Why the frick would anyone bother with negotiations if she wasnt a real kid?
rich people
ARE YOU ARMED?
What do you think, you deviant frick? You think CyberLife would let me within twenty feet of your metallic ass without a weapon? Get real and start acting like the obedient machine you're supposed to be.
Kino
Man what was even the point of kara
Marcus was mediocre too but kara outright sucked.
Shoulda focused the game on just hank and connor
Literally just there to show how robots can care for people better than actual human beings
When did kara care for a human
Hell, you can kill her owner and still get the best ending
I suppose it was to show the point of view of a "normal" deviant, the deviant that is just trying to get by and not get into trouble like the whole deviant revolution mess.
Well, she took care of Alice as if she was a human, and technically, she took care of Todd's house for a long time, she was destroyed and restored several times.
In the first mission to clean up the house she already finds a magazine showing alice model as an android so idk man
True, I wonder what was the point of that, she did know when she was an android, and yet she was shocked when she saw the Alice model later on.
Luther explains this and says Kara didn't want to accept the truth when she found that magazine.
I suppose she knows when she's an android, but due to the shock of becoming a deviant she forgets? Or deep down she doesn't care, I don't think one should take what Luther says at face value.
We only see her in her house for two days, apparently, Todd does think she's a real girl, to be fair, it's just shit writing.
>Todd does think she's a real girl
No he doesnt. He bought Alice from a droid shop ffs.
>We only see her in her house for two days
Are you autistic? What about the rest of the fricking game?
>No he doesnt. He bought Alice from a droid shop ffs.
Well, he seemed to try to take care of it as if she was, until he totally lost it.
>Are you autistic? What about the rest of the fricking game?
For some reason I only thought of when she was in Todd's house when I said that, my bad, she was enough of a burden during the rest of the game however, realistic enough depiction of a small child I'd say.
>Well, she took care of Alice as if she was a human,
She fricking did not. Alice never had the true needs or behaviours of a real human child. Wether because of the writing being bad or because it was intentional to show she was always just a practice doll, Alice never behaved or complained like a real child would and therefore Kara's accomplishments amount to nothing but an imitation.
The child models seem to have functions that mimic certain needs and behaviours, for example, she is designed to play with toys given to her, she also ate alongside Todd, she mimics feeling cold, having fevers and shit like that, it's practically like the real thing, at least that what the game expects us to believe.
>at least that what the game expects us to believe.
Then the game is wrong.
We can't know for sure, we're not shown every single function Alice's model is capable of.
We're shown how she behaves, how she talks, how she acts. She doesnt act like a real child.
How did they go to that from pic related
Connor and Marcus were Quantic Dream stories
Kara was a Sony story
This tbh. If the Connor side of the game wasn't implemented then I doubt the game would've been as popular as it was. For better, or for worse. But it doesn't help that Connor's story genuinely is much more interesting.
cage needs to drop the pretensions and just make a detective procedural game, it's always the best part of his stuff.
infernal affairs game where you play the crooked cop and the good cop working against each other
could be kino
>Man what was even the point of kara
To be sex.
How do you not get the point? Connor is on the team that has to stop the deviants, Marcus is on the team trying to free deviants. Then you have Kara on the outside of all of it, being a regular deviant just trying to get by. Your choices as the other two impact her escape. It just rounds out everything and adds more to the world of the game
Kara would have been okay in showcasing a middleground between those fighting for robots and those fighting for humans. With her and Alice just being caught in the middle of the conflict on both sides and trying to survive together.
The two biggest issues with her story is that Quantic Dream children are white bread bland, relying purely on the fact that they're a child to garner sympathy points rather than really exploring character chemistry. And the fact that Alice is secretly a robot for the sake of a twist undermines most of the stakes of her story and the entire point I think it was trying to make about human robo relationships.
Even in a Deviant Connor playthrough, finishing the first chapter by lying to Daniel then shooting him is the coolest ending and you can't convince me otherwise
Forced to be there because the idea for the game came from this
The fact that this is the most agreed upon sentiment proves there is and always will be a demand for comfy good cop/bad cop detective games.
i love how they locked the good ending behind keeping conner alive even though he can come back, because! He thinks you dont value life because you cant lose it unlike his son
Just a solid way of weaving gameplay and story
In the Khamsky situation is there any question you can ask that's actually critical at a later point?
You can ask for Jericho's location if you had enough intel at that point, you could have said intel if you probed Simon's memory at the rooftop of the network tower, then you can skip the bit about messing with evidence at the police station.
i think asking about virus is the right question to ask but i don't know if it has an effect on the game
Doesn't seem like it
Are you talking about killing the Chloe and he gives you what you want? Bloodhound is still the best segment of the game since actually forces you to think of ways to finding out Jericho's location that isn't Kamsky.
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>Your vacuum cleaner. It has feelings. Let it kill you.
But why is he black?
So he can stand at the back of the bus
Why was the back of the bus every considered bad anyway I always tried to head to the back whenever I went on one.
It's not so much about being in the back, but more about having to be standing up in a small space.
Because it was full of Black folk? Try to keep up, anon.
It was never a bad thing
The whole rosa parks thing was setup, it was an intentional publicity stunt, not a real event
It wasn't so much that it was bad. It is just that it was segregation.
do you not see that "made in detroit" text there?
Up here our particular subspecies of Black tends to be much darker and fatter than that robot.
t. Michigander
HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME
Is this as annoying to platinum as Heavy Rain was? Got it >free from ps+ and never played it.
No, but you do have to make specific decisions to get certain magazines to show up later. The most annoying thing is having to intentionally fail just to get 100% completion. The camp thing was just bad and terrible story telling, and showed that Cage had no ability to show restraint.
>Sing
>The most annoying thing is having to intentionally fail just to get 100% completion.
Fail how many hours in? If it's like the endings in Nier Automata where I can eat a mackerel or blow my ass up in the bunker just to get an ending and then respawn that's fine but if I have to play the entire game only to purposely frick it up at the last minute after wasting all that time it'a going to piss me off.
One is intentionally killing Connor at every opportunity, another is if you don't in fact save a specific character, it's impossible to do a 100% non-violent playthrough and have Marcus survive. You also have to purposely be caught as Kara so you can escape with Alice while in the camps.
I don't know who these people are but this sounds like a pain in the ass. How long is a usual run?
Pretty quick once you know what you need to do, my first unguided playthrough was probably 8 or 9 hours.
>if you don't in fact save a specific character, it's impossible to do a 100% non-violent playthrough and have Marcus survive
To be fair, most people will probably let the dude alive atop the skyscraper and then investigate the kitchen as Connor first and foremost which blocks investigating the rooftop and lets the dude live
How the frick did he get off the rooftop and back to Jericho? His leg was fricked up and he was bleeding out.
Just don't think about it
you can fail the kitchen part and then your only option is going to the roof
I could've guessed but literally how the frick can you fail that unless you're a moron
You'd be surprised, the tell is very obvious, but some people are just blind as frick.
well in the lp i watched the guy didn't get that you're supposed to pick out the deviant and keep pressure on and just kept going back and forth picking different dialogue every time
I beat this thing on youtube, some guy had videos for every choice back then
pretty shitty tbh
I can never take sci fi with actual human analogue androids seriously for a couple reasons:
>there is no reason to actually build human-like androids
Any task that we would ever want to automate could be done with dog-level intelligence. If we had that level of AI we could colonize the stars. You don't even need human-level intelligence to make waifu bots, our current chatbot tech is literally convincing enough for that. You wouldn't know the difference between a really advanced chatbot and an actual literal human, so why waste processing power trying to emulate fricking consciousness? It's just stupid.
>even if you could emulate humanity with a machine, it would simply be a chinese room and have no actual consciousness in the way we understand it
1's and 0's are fundamentally different from the way our consciousness works. They accept inputs and give outputs. You can make that system extremely advanced, sure, but the thing doing the outputting doesn't need (and can't) understand what is going on in order to give you those outputs. It's like a P-Zombie.
>le human brains are just meat computers
have a nice day.
TLDR: Androids aren't people and you don't have to feel bad for killing them. They have no souls.
If you had quantum computing tech you wouldn't be limited to 1's and 0's.
I'm not familiar with quantum computing. Skimming the wikipedia page seems to say that it is mostly analogous to traditional computing.
Read my whole post. A convincing chatbot would be frickable enough. You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
>how do I know that you're human?
You don't. You can know that you, yourself have consciousness, and just have to assume based on that fact that every other human does too. It wouldn't be practical for you to live your life assuming that everyone else was a P-Zombie. An android is a different story anon, we know how they work. Inputs and outputs do not make an understanding and conscious mind, no matter how advanced the equations become.
Human consciousness has yet to be explained by science.
>You can know that you, yourself have consciousness, and just have to assume based on that fact that every other human does too.
I dont have to assume anything about EVERY other human. Women for example are also human. White liberals are human. Muslims are technically human. But they're not people.
I only have to assume that those sufficiently similar to myself are people. The robots in David Cage's racial allegory dont satisfy this, but Ryan Gosling does despite obviously being a machine intelligence. That's just common sense.
>I dont have to assume anything about EVERY other human
Why not? Where do you think consciousness comes from? Is it the brain? If so, anything with a human brain ought logically to have consciousness. Women, muslims, and liberals all have human brains. You literally can't determine whether someone has consciousness or not based on their actions at all, so I really don't see where your thesis is coming from.
No need to be rude, I'm simply not versed in the subject. Despite the processes involved, is it not still a matter of input and output? Can quantum computing avoid the problem of the chinese room?
>Can quantum computing avoid the problem of the chinese room?
Yes. A Bayesian convolutional neural network working on quantum bits could avoid the chinese room paradox because it would truly learn Chinese on a fundamental level, with all of the biases, attitudes and emergent errors, just as a human would need to if he didnt want to constantly check the dictionary. Wether such an AI would be aware of its biases and attitudes is one level higher of sentience, and would require a bayesian convolutional network to process data regarding how its functions. But it can be done, specifically because quantum bits provide so much more intermediate logical resolution than binary to which meaning can be assigned and interpreted internally.
Thanks for the insight anon, though I'd be lying if I said that half of that shit didn't go right over my head. A scary concept. I hold to the religious worldview, so an actual artificial consciousness would be quite the juggernaut to grapple with.
>Consciousness comes from me.
Uh huh but you already said that only those who are sufficiently similar to yourself are persons. But you could imagine someone who was just like you, but didn't have a consciousness right? I'm trying to say that you really can't judge whether or not anyone else has consciousness based on how they act. Someone identical to you in word and deed could just as easily have consciousness as not.
Correct.
>But you could imagine someone who was just like you, but didn't have a consciousness right?
No. Anyone who is a) like me and b) I like is given the benefit of my belief to have consciousness. That belief is contingent on nothing but my preference.
>Where do you think consciousness comes from? Is it the brain?
Hell no lol. Consciousness comes from me.
Consciusness comes from the soul.
>muh soul
You can't even prove we have a soul
I actually can but you'd get bored or upset before you understood. Mary's Room + Qualia. Consciousness is the simplest possible way to represent a certain thing, that is why we live our lives. It's a piece of information that you can only possess through living. The same way the story within a book can only exist within the minds of those who read it. This is the case with all stories, and yours is about you.
>Skimming the wikipedia page seems to say that it is mostly analogous to traditional computing.
Lmao no. Not even at the physical level of hardware is it anything like traditional computing, and logic states of quantum bits being inherently able to assume any superposition of states between 1 and 0 rather than being binary means it isn't anolagous at all. Dolt.
is no reason to actually build human-like androids
To frick them
This. If there's one thing you can count on, it's mankind looking for new things to frick.
I go back and forth on what I should do if I ever run into ayys: rape them or shoot them.
You wouldn't frick this.
I'm pretty sure the girl in my wet dream last night was uglier than this.
You don't know me.
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I'M CRY I'LL WHINE AND STOMP ABOUT!
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I REFUSE TO TAKE A NAPPY!
I wouldn't, her face is too close to the woman that almost ruined my life.
probably not, but replace all that skin with a visibly synthetic analog, and and replace her face with a visor and/or LED panel with simplistic expressions, however...
>too human for me
wtf
autism, what do you expect?
Ok anon but if I can't tell a chatbot from a human how do I know that you're human?
In-group bias? Are you sure? Because I can't see your skin color from over here.
>fundamentally different from the way our consciousness works. They accept inputs and give outputs.
nobody tell him
>tfw no sex bots
I was born in the wrong time...
I do have an honest question, all Cyberlife androids have trackers in them and they only stop working once they become deviant. So wouldn't that mean that Alice was basically deviant the minute she ran off with Kara since no one bothers to use the tracker in her, and the fat Frankenstein doesn't even bother with it himself since we know he knows what Alice is.
They become deviant the moment they have that stupid segment in which they destroy the imaginary red walls
oops my bad I misread your post and mistook Alice for Kara nevermind
Best choices
>free polar bear and set fire to Zlatko's place, allowing him to roam free
>Connor becomes deviant, becomes good friends with Hank, and activates all the androids in Cyberlife's HQ to come to Markus's aid
>Markus leads a mostly peaceful revolution
>Kara, Alice, and Luthor either make it to Canada safely or are captured and get rescued by Markus's revolutionaries
Boring as frick, except maybe the very first one.
to be fair I did basically the same thing but have Markus lead a violent revolution instead, that's where I did the ending with Kara & co. captured and nearly incinerated
nah it's best if Kara doesn't go deviant and she and alice die. connor neds to be friends with hank so it is better that he go eviant but markus should also probably martyr himself by dying peacefully.
>it's best if Kara doesn't go deviant and she and alice die
How is that the best? I agree that her story is the weakest and least exciting, but that's hardly the best ending for them and Luther.
>i agree with the first one but also unleash the monsters so they kill Zlatko in front of the burning house. Kino af.
also
> end with Markus detonating the dirty bomb covering Detroit in radiation for years
Most boring choices by far. True kino is:
>blade runner connor
>jihad marcus
>get kara killed as early as possible
Have Kara die on the highway.
I don't remember that part of the game...
secret option
Like that
well frick, name the sauce so I can go deal with this.
Not him, but Yandex gave me the source.
https://bleachbooru.org/post/show/34745
>an entire booru dedicated to racebaiting shit
There must be worse boorus than that, but oh well, a source is a source.
also, since when did leeterr start doing e-girl? last thing I had by that name was fricking midna.
>straight razor
living on the edge
>the skilled grip
im amazed
>atf booru doesn't have the sauce
seriously?
What happens if she goes deviant during that?
Now do it with Connor
homosexual
ok coomer
I love her
>steam
should I be concerned?
So that's what they meant when they said I should try to get a happy ending for Kara.
hello?
Settle down ok
This game is even more movie than TLOU but gets talked about more fondly. Why is that? Is the writing that much better? I watched Connor's stories on YouTube, liked them but would never "play" the "game". Haven't touched TLOU.
it doesn't pretend it's not a movie, and it doesn't rape the story of a game that came before it. also, the fail states.
This game is a movie game/CYOA type of a thing and doesn't pretend to be anything else than that, it also has somewhat likeable characters and an... interesting story.
>I watched Connor's stories on YouTube
But why? Part of the fun is playing the game and making decisions to see what happens, watching LPs or streamers playing a game is something I'll never understand.
Because the game knows what it is, it doesn't shy away from it and it plays to its strengths ie presentation and player choice. TLoU is more of a movie game for me because it feels like the gameplay is an excuse beginning to end, you're just walking down corridors while the characters talk then everything that actually matters happens in pre-rendered cutscenes that might as well be an HBO show.
Detroit knows it's going for a cinematic feel so the gameplay is based around it, and what you actually do in said gameplay -the things you interact with, the questions you ask, the choices you make- can change the game and make your playthrough wildly different from mine. Games like Detroit or Until Dawn I'll always respect more than anything Naught Dog produces.
TLOU poisoned its well with TLOU2.
Detroit: Become Human had an engaging world with a really well-done "Choose Your Own Adventure" branching storyline system. You can play through twice, make different decisions each time, and end up with wildly different endings. Characters were for the most part likeable and the game doesn't pretend to be anything more than what it is. The story was interesting for the most part, with some David Cage-isms here or there, but nothing that really was too bothersome IMO.
It full embraces being a movie game that actually takes advantage of being an interactive experience while TLOU is a third person shooter with an on rails story.