Now that I played it, how do I go back in time and tell Todd to keep his filthy hands away from this?
Holy frick, so that is Fallout supposed to mean?
Now that I played it, how do I go back in time and tell Todd to keep his filthy hands away from this?
Fallout 2 is the shittiest and most reddit mainline Fallout game
Common Bethesdrone talking point.
Still beats F3 without trying. Despite being "shit".
You mad?
The best experience i ever had with vidia rpgs.
B8
Filtered. FO2 is the best in the series.
That would be Fallout 4, not 2.
Shut the frick up you c**t
Still seething over Starfield, Todd?
>parroting opinions you like about a game you haven't played
Ah, the classic Ganker pastime.
>he fell for the memes
it's got issues but it's still miles ahead of 3
FPBP. Bethesda treated Fallout with much more respect than the FO2 devs. It's crazy how full of moronic bullshit and reddit memes that corpulent mess of a game is.
are you moron or a troony? git gud nub and stop being topped by the tutorial
(you) are a nig
>say anything remotely reasonable
>slopout fans get an aneurysm and shit their pants
fallout fans are the most brainded goycattle there is and ever will be
>get btfo
>cry and throw out moronic buzzwords like a child
You have to be 18 to post here
I'm sure you can get over it without therapy anon.
>underaged tourist doesn’t know how greentexting works
Yup called it.
>Fallout 2 is the shittiest and most reddit mainline Fallout game
>Still beats F3 without trying
I'm old enough to remember when Fallout 2 and 3 came out. I remember Fallout 2 fans being pissed at how much of a disappointment Fallout 3 was, how bland and dumbed down Fallout 3 was. I remember people feeling that New Vegas was a huge middle finger to Bethesda, that other dev studios were now doing a better job of making Bethesda games than Bethesda was.
Mind you, the disappointment in the dumbing down of the TES series was fresh on the minds when Fallout 3 came out shortly after Oblivion was released and severely disappointed the Morrowind fans, especially the Morrowind fans who loved magic spells and enchantments.
Bethesda has been steadily going downhill ever since Todd Howard took over.
Morrowind is mid.
It's not the shittiest, it's just the least innovative. It's just Longer One Minus Shitty Clock Racing. Which is fair considering they shit it out in a month
Anyway, do them
New Vegas > Fallout > 3 > Fallout 2 > Fallout 4.
Everyone who says this has never actually bothered to play it and just seethe that nobody likes their childhood nostalgia game (Fallout 3) anymore because it aged worse than a game ten years older than it (and really wasn't even any good to begin with).
Nah.
hating bethesda fallout is the sign of an entry level fan, just like OP who literally admits to having played the classic fallouts in 2023
high level take is to realize there are good parts about every iteration, even BoS mainly because FONV reused some art assets from it
The high level take is to realize that some of the games are outright bad and not to be a fence sitting homosexual.
>you HAVE to only talk in extremes! if you recognize any nuance at all you are le bad fence sitter!
Kys, you are the cancer that destroys good discussion
There is no good discussions with fence sitters, since you're only goal is to smell your own farts by talking about how "smart" you are for thinking both sides are dump. At least the extremists are motivated by something beyond ego boosting.
>At least the extremists are motivated by something beyond ego boosting.
man you could not be any more wrong with that statement.
>At least the extremists are motivated by something beyond ego boosting
yes, by pure will of shit stirring on massive scale and derailing any valuable points of discussion
fence sitter midwit take
The high level take is to realize the cancellation of Van Buren was a blessing in disguise because we got the current Joshua Graham rather than the original version of him. Original was called the hanged man and had pretty much the same backstory except that he was still evil when you cut him down from his noose. He was meant to be a companion who was a pure edgelord who would start random fights with important npcs attack any tribal he came across. New Cannan was an intended location in the game and he would refuse to enter, inside the town Bishop Mordecai would tell you Joshua’s backstory.
the highest level take is to realize interplay dying was what saved fallout. if they survived they would probably have shelved the IP just like what happened to mass effect.
Why would they do that? Mass Effect got shelved because Andromeda was dogshit. Had Fallout 3 and Baldur’s Gate 3 been a success they would have made a shitload of money. They were their main earners.
>western RPGs effectively die with Fallout
>become terrible romance simulators with mannish women (or literal men and bears) and nothing else
Probably would have been worth not having to see 3, 4, the horrible television show and 76.
3+4 have good lore additions, however fo76 is where it gets really good. bunch of new context for roger maxson and early BoS in general, FEV, vault-tec... it's great, but of course morons just hate muh bethesda because they aren't actually fans of the IP but are just seeking validation by saying bethesda bad with zero knowledge about anything
>3+4 have good lore additions
Such as...? The only thing that I don't really mind is the new mutant animals, that's it.
i like the EEP/FEV/modified FEV-13 lore from fo3, i guess power fist redesign too, and for fo4 there are many but robobrains and the mist of far harbor and its fauna are pretty neat, synths as a concept are also a functional aspect
Fallout 1 and 2 Power fist is my favorite but 4 is at least an improvement over 3 and new vegas
Robobrains are from 1
i meant the addition of context on how they are created, you visit a robobrain facility in fo4 iirc
synths were in fallout 3 and robobrains are from 1. its obvious at this point that you've only played 4...
Fallout 3 introduced protectrons, but Robo Brains, Eyebots and Mister Handys are from Fallout 1, while 2 introduced Sentry Bots (albeit 3's are radically redesigned)
>fo76 is where it gets really good. bunch of new context for roger maxson and early BoS in general, FEV, vault-tec... it's great
I know your only personality trait is being a contrarian fricktard on the internet but there was no benefit to giving the BOS any backstory other than
>a bunch of U.S. solders in bunkers when the bombs fell
>they follow old military doctrine and now treat it similar to religion doctrine
All FO76 did was introduce a ton of brown women and make the BOS do everything except operate out of bunkers. Because Todd had to justify the absolutely terrible writing in Fallout 3, where they were inexplicably made literal gallivanting paladins who somehow save everybody entirely for soulless marketing purposes as demonstrated by them pushing that same stupid shit in the television show while completely crushing what made them unique in the first two games. I'm sure you'll have a meltie as well when I point out New Vegas actually bothered to continue the original games' plot thread, giving us good characters like Elijah and the Mojave chapter, where the theme of
>a bunch of U.S. solders in bunkers when the bombs fell
>they follow old military doctrine and now treat it similar to religion doctrine
is brought to its logical conclusion as they are extremely regressive religious terrorists who are so obsessed with their codex that they barely replenish their numbers and seldom win wars against groups who actually evolve or grow, such as the NCR. And just because I think you're that much of a homosexual, I will point out that MODUS and the Greenbrier bunker story from Fallout 76 is entirely fine and actually improves the Enclave from FO2 (whose leadership were very idiotic and one note.) Yet you choose to cite the one thing from 76 that is the cancer killing Fallout.
>a bunch of U.S. solders in bunkers when the bombs fell
mariposa isn't a bunker, it's a military base
>they follow old military doctrine and now treat it similar to religion doctrine
no, they formed a new doctrine. this was the entire point of them detaching from the US military
>All FO76 did was introduce a ton of brown women and make the BOS do everything except operate out of bunkers
this was never part of the original doctrine established my roger maxson, to which Lyon's BOS was much closer to in terms of ideology. the only reason BOS evolved the way it did was because roger's son was a cuck who formed their entire idology for the BoS because his mom died during the exodus to lost hills
if roger had fathered a stronger heir, BoS would most likely have evolved into what Lyon's BoS is about, instead of Lyons being considered a traitor.
>mariposa isn't a bunker
>its a literal subterranean bunker
stopped reading
lost hills is a "bunker"
"mariposa military base" is a military base
it's literally embedded in a mountain moron-kun, did you play the game? (or either of them)
its a military base, moron
a military base embedded in a mountain, under the ground...
This isn't even worth a sincere response, have a nice day.
>I know the answer I'm just not telling you
ok in that case I know the answer to your answer and I'm not telling 🙂
3 gets a pass because it revived the series, and its really not that bad. 4 retconned the lore.
The show isn't even out yet and you incels are seething fricking kek
the show is so garbage you can tell from the previews
your budget was a massive waste of money
Shut up incel. It will get great reviews, real Fallout fans and new fans will love it while you're raging on Ganker
i am sure the israelites who operate the review service will give their israelite friends in show business raving reviews, fellow Ganker user
wtf that sounds awesome. the worst part about nv companions is theyre all fricking moralgays except the fricking pets. sure raul won't get pissy over legion players but he's still a former evil punishing cowboy.
Here’s the leaked design documents regarding him (in the links below the character description). There’s more detail about the situation he would get the player into, and possible redemption paths for him if you had high enough speech. The Van Buren version does sound awesome but the impact of the character would have been nothing compared to the Joshua we got. One would just be remembered as the standard “evil” RPG companion while the other is one of the best videogame characters ever written
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Joshua_Graham_(Van_Buren)
>He was intended to be a "jinxed" non-player character, like the pariah dog.
a "human" pariah dog really sounds great. though im betting in practice that any high CH/speech character would have been able to travel with him just fine.
i agree it maybe worked out in the end btw. in nv itself i really would want the companion version of ulysses they originally had planned instead anyways.
>the companion version of Ulysses they originally had planned
Enlighten me
Ulysses was originally meant to be the legion specific companion but got cut along with the legion aligned town so he was retooled into the weird shadow the courierhog rival character we got in the dlc
Joshua Graham is not well written. He's a giant exposition dump. Even putting aside execution, his character is not compelling either. He's a generic antihero with a mormon coat of paint.
The only people who praise Joshua Graham or Honest Hearts are bible thumpers with 80IQ.
>He's a giant exposition dump.
Nearly every major character in Fallout New Vegas is.
Bible thumpers are 80 IQ or 120 plus IQ, you are a midwit
Someone post the graph showing that it's the literally opposite
Joshua Graham became Mojave Cortez the Conquistador
>the native americans of utah in 2277 are german mutts
Reichsmixing?!
true. ban buren looked absolutely shit and I'm glad it died so that new vegas could live. fallout 76 is ok too. (now).
fallout 3 had some ok moments but the world was so bland and the ending killed any kind of meaning it had.
So what? That sounds cool.
Joshua is a neat character in NV but the people that gush over how amazing he is just don't want to admit they have a crush on him or some shit. He's not all that special.
Being a moronic centrist is never a high level take
moron, lol, there is nothing good about f3 and f4 unless youre a dimwit
The good parts of the Bethesda Fallout have nothing to do with the IP or the setting and are exclusively rooted in abstract concepts that can be applied to any game/genre/IP like 3D gameplay etc
What the FRICK am I looking at?
Dunno if it is still being developed though.
Neat concept
the hypothetical game in that webm would be inferior to both 2d fallout AND bethesda fallout. nice fricking oc...
those seconds of "game" already looks better than 3D Fallouts, Anon
Good bait.
how is it bait? anyone that thinks fo3+4 don't have SOME good lore additions is just a dumbfrick contrarian
name them
read the thread
>entire thread is just talking about classic fallout
I just witnessed the ultimate concession
i have already posted my thoughts on the lore additions that are good from fo3+4 in this thread, if you are expecting people to spoonfeed you because you are too lazy but want to enter a discussion then don't expect it to work in your favor
>figure out which posts are mine on an anonymous image board
or just repeat them if you want me to believe you, if not I'll continue believng you're wrong
Power Armor being actual armor and VATS
I'm with you, like em all because I'm not a snobby hipster.
Dumbass, the actual revelation to have is that all of them are equally terrible in their own way, except for Brotherhood, which is clearly worse then all of the rest.
This, if you can't shit on FO1 & 2 you're not a real fan, you're a groupie.
You're correct but this is Ganker.
F1 > F3 = NV > F2 > F76(now) > F4
I don't consider 76 canon, it is not a traditional fallout game by any means. A prequel that adds new shit into the lore, so they can sell it to you on the atom shop. Frick that.
This. Fallout 76? More like Frick-outta-here with that shit!
F4 > F3 > F76 > F1 > F2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> NV
Real fans hated Fallout 3 since the first trailer.
t. finished 1, 2 and Tactics and read the Fallout Bible long before Bethesda got the rights to Fallout.
Real fans know Fallout was already dead when the israelites over at Interplay mismanaged the IP since F2 and sharted out BoS for the ps2
Bethesda are hacks. Starfieled flop proved it beyond reasonable doubt. When they try to make something themselves they fail hard. they cant only corrupt someone else successful work.
Imagine Fallout 3 made by a real company.
TES is an original Bethesda IP
>Imagine Fallout 3 made by a real company.
Which company? The insert [pop culture reference] company or the company that ran the Fallout IP into the ground with Tactics and BoS?
honestly it sounded like he was describing obshitian lol
>obsidian
>after the disaster that was the Outer Worlds
I've noticed that no one make Outer Worlds or Avowed threads
I guess replacing your old team with blue haired dykes and making discount Rick and Morty with anti-capitalism themes doesn't lead to long term success
Its not moddable. There no sexy deathclaws, either.
It's on Unreal. It was never going to be moddable.
why change doc mitchell?
Dont use this shit. There is an upscaled head rig that keeps all the NPC appearances intact but gives them more polygons.
nah all the fallout games are shit.
>so that is Fallout supposed to mean?
ESL moment.
How many languages do you speak?
he can barely speak english, so that would be 'none'
>muh grammar
coping bethesdrones
Black i'm an ESL raised on vidya and i can write better than you
Go back to english class you stupid motherfricker
you don't
enjoy toddslop shitting all over west coast canon with his """diverse""" tv show full of political and social commentary
>the most-difficult, most-complex, lowest-selling game in the series is "reddit"
Cope Shitthesda homosexuals.
First you take a loaded gun, then you take a noose, then you take a jump off of a building
Why aren't you playing fallout total conversion mods?
>no roleplaying
>no fun
>no atmosphere
>Only monty python references and nothing else
Ummm excuse me
You can get addicted to Super Mutant Big Green wieners and they break the lore by saying they hope they didn't get prostitutes pregnant
BUT ITS A JOKE!!! A JOKE!!! Shut up! They cleared this up in the Fallout Bible!
Play the fricking game and stop regurgitating the same talking points
They got filtered by the tutorial and shitposting as a result
I still can’t understand why so many people complain about that shit, I went through first try with a shitty melee and unarmed and still made it through while killing most of the ants.
but fallout 2 was never good
only fallout 1 was good
>the writer hate romance crap so much, they made a companion specific for this
>made said companion useless and annoying
>noooooo, I want romance and sex, how can I play this?
leave this thread and go play troony gate 3
That wouldn't solve the problem. You'd have to go back before Interplay did the IPO and engineer things so Titus doesn't end up in control. Literally every bad thing about what's happened to Fallout and Interplay after 2 shipped is the fault of Herve Caen.
You develop better taste and find something less shit to play.
Why can't I have Bess follow me around as a companion? I would prefer this over half of the other choices.
Bro just give Sulik a sledgehammer, pump him full with drugs and watch him go to town on any hostile he comes across.
Bonenose was a bro. I wish more Fallout vidya embraced the tribal aesthetics that they have cultivated over the last 20 years.
How much garbage "embracing tribal aesthetics" do you fricking need? As if Fallout 2 wasn't enough, it's all over New Vegas too. We even got the travesty that is Honest Hearts, the worst piece of mainline fallout that managed to be worse than all of F3 somehow. Enough with the mudhut morons. It is COMPLETELY. PLAYED. OUT.
the opening third of Mad Max 3 is one of the best settings ever presented in a post-apocalypse setting, why is trying to create something in that same vein of creativity a bad thing? post-war tribal societies are cool, and it's not all 2 and NV have to offer if it's not your thing anyway, who fricking cares? better than recycling the canonically destroyed BoS for the billionth time.
Because if I wanted to see Black folk paint their faces and sit around a fire going "ooga booga" I'd drive out to the nearest abo reserve. Frick you and frick tribals. I'm taking sneering imperialist on my next NV playthrough.
>he wants to brainlessly massacre shit sniffing tier tribals rather than proper warriors like a true imperialist
Ngmi
so edgy so based, I wish I could leave an upvote! they improve the setting, and the fact you can take enjoyment in killing them with a dedicated perk means you are not being forced to like them at all.
>It was a dumb idea to introduce the meta faction and subsequently destroy them in the same game.
well, the meta-conflict of Fallout 2 is the idea that culture is mutating along with DNA, and that fighting these changes is futile and causes needless conflict and suffering. Enclave's solution is to eliminate difference, like the Master, only that elimination is not medicinal, but literal. their defeat is thematic, and if they came back in Fallout 3, which of course they did, their story is simply repeated and they become redundant, rather than a new villain making a different point as it relates to the main theme of war being inherent to human nature.
And Vault City only survives in 2 because they never had the chance to join up with the Enclave. They were the same old world supremacists enslaving the wastelanders.
I get it, but i still think it was a bad idea.
Yes it is redundant in Fallout 3, but Fallout 3 is a fricking reboot. It's kickstarting the franchise after a period of death. It deserves a pass for bringing back the same plot points. This courtesy does not extend to Fallout 4, though.
Not him but this is an issue of the bethesda model of game production. It takes so fricking long that you basically have to reboot it every time you release a new game unless you have another studio work on it, and Bethesda is moronic and wants to make sure everything is in line with their version of it after new vegas.
No kino for you, just le radiation wacky guns 50s jetsons nightmare lol.
Remember how 76 was worked on by a bunch of newbies absorbed from another studio at first? Pepperidge farms remembers. Now we have starfield, it's going to be even longer before we get another fallout game if ever and if bethesda lets obshittian work on it it will be outer turds obshittian and not new vegas obsidian. And you know it just will not be a serious or cohesive RPG anymore. And even on top of THAT Tim Cain has turned into a homosexual so even then there's no hope.
I'm already sad that the netflix show is going to be trash fire. It's best to just let the series die.
They need to make money but they don’t have any new ideas. Creativity is dead, it’s fricking depressing
Even if Bethesda did something creative, it would just be Bethesda's creative vision competing with Interplay's creative vision. I'll give Bethesda credit for letting old Obsidian make New Vegas, but that's the only good to come from resurrecting the Fallout franchise.
it's big of you to thank todd so openly, be careful bro
>Pepperidge farms remembers
holy fricking reddit go back there and have a nice day troon
Kek, not from reddit, sorry the wrong jokes make your wiener and balls explode, moron. Sperg more, gut yourself with a spoon, gayfart.
Josh will never win GOTY
You are sad.
Josh is mad
>Pepperidge farms
>reddit
Calling everything reddit makes you stick out like a sore thumb election tourist
you wrecking that tourist chud wasn't on my bingo card and I'm here for it
I want a full suit of 200+ year old T-51b passed down through an entire tribal line etched in the stories of those who wore it. Carved tribal swirls, along the pauldrons, faces etched into the kneecaps and the names of the fallen tattooed onto the soles of the feet so that you may always walk upon them even after death. Campaigns, battles, skirmishes, home defenses while adorned with the feathers of their most sacred spirit animals. A warpole adorned with the skulls of rival warchiefs who fell in battle. That's what I want the melding of the old world and the new.
so kind of like the fallout 2 splash screen?
I think he wants the power armor to be a working suit they've carefully maintained through half-remembered oral tradition. The power source is supposed to last hundreds of years after all.
Is Narg the "canon" Chosen One?
Resetera drone SEETHING over tribals
>it's all over New Vegas too
?
It's pretty much just Honest Hearts that does that, and at least some of those tribals are descended directly from Native American tribes fleeing the Reservations post-war.
Let me tell you why I love the Enclave
>doesn't try to top the god tier big bad from the first game by being another "good intentions gone astray"
>is an even bigger and badder threat than the super mutants for you to shoot in the dick
>is quite literally the old world itself rising from the grave to kickass
>I mean its like you're really fighting one of the actual factions that destroyed the world
>advanced power armor is the coolest design in the whole franchise
>will send helicopters of badasses just to frick your shit up
>FRANK fricking HORRIGAN
For me the Master and his mutants are the classic but the Enclave are what truly earn my nostalgia.
Bubble Pauldrons are an under utilized defensive concept in power armor. Do sort of wonder what they di if they fall on their back. Though I guess that's why it's recommended they operate with infantry or other power armor users.
The series would benefit if there was a string of weapons designs specifically meant fir Power Armor and the fact you probably don't need both hands to counter recoil. Should burrow from stuff like Warhammer 40k Terminstors holding Miniguns with one hand. It would benefit the game the more Power Armor felt like piloting a mech more than just an armor choice.
The Titans of the New West mod for NV makes it so your character will hold carbines and the like one-handed and it's honestly pretty sick. Especially the terminator-style spin reloads for all the lever actions guns.
I love that mod. It also works with the Hellfire armor.
>Todd thought it would be good to kill the Enclave
Now, this wouldn't have been the problem if he was actually a competent writer and came up with something at least equally good to give entire franchise the meaning, but since he's a terrible writer, Fallout has lost all its identity and has been searching for its meaning ever since. Fallout 4 is the embodiment of "i wrote myself into the corner, now I don't know what to do, but still I have to write something"
That armor is so cool because its arch design could survive a massive building falling on it. But that would kill HP game mechanics.
Advanced power armor can completely nullify most guns in the game, its based.
Advanced power armor doesn't really look like tour pic, though I wish it did
that pic is more based on what the sprite itself loks like when fireing a pistol
its kind of like how snes era ff characters will get way more fan art based on their sprites than their amano art versions
Fair. Though the sprites look a little off when using guns that use both hands. They have to turn their body sideways and it looks they'd have at least half their field of view cut off.
I'm in the fence between Enclave and T 51.
god when are the remastering Fallout 1 and 2. The updated sprite work in things like command and conquer remaster is so crisp
The Enclave is good because this series needs occasional reminders of why the old world was so unbelievably bad that it ended up killing itself. The Enclave serves this purposes by embodying that.
>jingoist to the point of developing bioweapons for the sole purpose of global genocide
>preaches muh purity while developing super mutant special agents and mutation serums
>even literal old world figures like Mr. House would hate them for being such glowBlack folk
>shock and awe through pre-war black hat projects such as the beetle armor and plasma weaponry
>can never be sure they are dead because they had secret bases everywhere (like the real world US government)
I want to hear about isolationist Enclave in places like frozen-over Chicago or the Florida Keys or something. Just have them peek their head out rarely and be the player's option for a super-bad karma everyone dies ending.
I've always felt an Enclave ending should be in a Fallout game.
It would be a long New Vegas style main quest chain where you undermine other factions and report back to their secret base. The ending would be them double crossing and murdering the player. Has the potential to be absolutely KINO.
FONV already has a swan song enclave "ending". It was tasteful and how enclave should be treated. They don't need to be "BoS but evil", because BoS already has enough space where writers could pull off an antagonist BoS, which FO3 already kind of did with the seperatist BoS
>outcasts
>evil
They were how the BOS actually behaves historically vs. Lyons moronic lawful good wank
Yes? Their still "separatist" since Lyons took the BoS name
If the BOS in Fallout 1 and 2 were not evil then neither are the Outcasts
He said antagonistic, not evil.
>not evil
In Fallout 1 they send you on a suicide mission just to troll and are 2 guys in a basement in Fallout 2
Man stop twisting the truth. They are your main ally and the only force helping you save the wasteland in the endgame of both fallout 1 and 2.
they help you attack the masters lair in 1 but thats just pragmatism really since the mutants are literally an unstoppable force taking over the wasteland at that point. Do they even do anything in 2 besides be cryptic for no reason and let you get implants in their 1m^2 basements.
They are the ones who inform you of the Enclave, and are going to help you take them out but Horrigan gets to them first. Frick it's been YEARS since I played but I thought they also helped you at the oilrig? Aren't they the ones who drive you there?
You have to steal the boat to get to the oilrig and I think I found out about Navarro naturally.
Okay well the one thing I do remember vividly is that the BoS are very different than they are in Fallout 1. Noticeably altruistic. The shift happened in 2 and not 3 as many people claim.
>but thats just pragmatism
Vree refuted that by explaining the nature of the brotherhood, even back then The BoS was considered a force of good, not in a Followers of Apocalypse way but they were good people.
I think if you have low int they restore the Valdez in 2
>they help you attack the masters lair
That's the Followers of the Apocalypse.
BoS can send a small squad to help with cleaning up outside the mutant military base. Vree can help the PC find evidence that can eventually be used to defeat the master without combat. They also supply the PC with power armor, some weapons and ammo if they first complete a suicide mission into the glow.
Calling BoS allies in FO1 is a bit of an overstatement.
they attack the player on sight from what i recall so they are evil
also lyons' ideals mirror that of roger maxson's, the founder of BoS, if anything, every BoS since maxson II is seperatist in nature.
>they attack the player on sight from what i recall
You recalled wrong, they even start one of the DLCs for you
nah they don't attack on sight
You can trade with them, even. But the deals are shit. And they have no quests. They're honestly more interesting as an enemy. Fallout 3 wasn't very good.
>You can trade with them, even. But the deals are shit.
depends on what you trade them giving them Junk and Sensor modules is a decent way to get Ammo Stimpacks and Rad Away really easily in the early game
>also lyons' ideals mirror that of roger maxson's, the founder of BoS
Roger Maxson turned his bunker into a military dictatorship and executed every single scientist in the base. Lyons is trying to be Jesus by offering aid to basically every living thing in the Capitol Wasteland except for the cannibalistic orcs. If anyone is actually similar to Maxson it's the Outcasts, except those don't commit Mao style executions of everyone intelligent.
this was before they formed the BoS, it was the literal formative event that created BoS
>Lyons is trying to be Jesus by offering aid to basically every living thing in the Capitol Wasteland
so, exactly like Roger maxson.
remember when in the bible jesus had his followers execute all the scholars
iconoclast moment
The scientists were evil and doing fev experiments
No, FEV was originally a cure for the bioweapon China unleashed. Later it was made into a weapon. This is like executing a scientist because he tried to cure cancer but glowBlack folk made him turn it into a drug that gives you cancer at gunpoint. Also killing enemy intellectuals is fricking moronic anyway, the world defeated the Nazis but then we just let those scientist Nazis, etc. live here and they got us to the moon.
>Lyons is trying to be Jesus
Lyons can also be retributive like the original Maxson, The Scourge decimated The Pitt in a single night.
Arthur did realize how moronic the Lyons "BoS" was, remade it to the original BoS while inviting back the Outcast.
its not moronic at all, it's literally what roger maxson wanted for BoS originally when he created it. being an authoritarian techno cult that just murders people who get in their way is about as far as you can get from his ideal BoS.
Roger really didn't do much of anything except kill all his scientists and pack the grunts and their families into an isolationalist bunker. There is a reason they just salvage everything and don't invent shit. At least the Enclave had R&D.
the BoS' main purpose is to prevent those who would cause a 2nd apocalypse from doing so. the only iterations of it we have come across that don't do this are the Mojave Chapter and the Outcasts, even the BoS in 4 are back to being death squads for mutants and old world psychos.
that ideology i feel has slipped away ever since roger maxson died, and current BoS is just a line of strongmen who want to push communities around for their personal benefit.
That doesn't really bear out with their canonical ending in FO1. They give the NCR a tech uplift until the undefined breaking point post-FO2 that kicks off the war with the NCR.
It sorta pisses me off in NV that their whole thing is that the BOS is backwards and doesn't change when they're arguably the faction that changes the most between their canon incarnations and endings. Although it might help if Veronica could at least argue her way out of a wet paper bag instead of just calling McNamara a moron and sulking.
the elder in FO1, if i remember did not have the respect of his troops, and in fo2 the west coast BoS had almost disappeared. it would make sense that a strongman was needed to bring them back, and to paint the maxson name in disdain. it would also make sense why arthur's BoS originates from the east coast, since the west coast chapters would not respect him, but his strongmanning being in demand after lyons' weak ideology, but this is just my headcanon. i might be misremembering arthur's backstory, i just know he was a squire in FO3 so he definitely grew up watching lyons not having the respect of his chapter
Actually, iirc Lyons did have the respect of his chapter, they followed him into The Pit after all
Arthur's Bos IS the west coast Bos, after he made peace with the Outcasts and and made the Brotherhood whole again
Arthur's ideology is just the combination of Lyons more altruistic mission and the colder one expected of him as a decendant of the legendary Maxson
East* frick, im not american so i get confused sometimes
I completely missed Veronica ingame tbh
I knew where she was, i went there a like a dozen times, missed her every time
DLC girl just didn't hit very hard when i literally never met the person she cared about
>just make the enclave a completely different, COOL friendly club that do cool science fiction things!!
Why not just make a new faction you moronic gays?
It's the Enclave. They're isolationist genocidal freaks who are slowly destroying what's left of the wasteland.
They're not spacefaring optimists or brave veterans. They're the main villain, the most tyrannical and frightening form of the US government wielding the most powerful equipment possible towards the worst of ends.
spotted the leftoid who couldn't read.
they're not genocidal, every human in the wasteland that's not in an enclave bunker got their genese changed by the FEV, it's just dormant for baseline humans. They see themselves as the last of pure humanity not infected by FEV. Which they are. Where's the lie, moron?
>they're not genocidal
>they just want to exterminate every single person on planet earth who has benign mutations because they weren't able to live in GlowBlack person bunkers like the Enclave
you're moronic.
They want to repopulate the earth. Factions should have some nuance instead of being morally black and white.
Nuance is for homosexuals, morally weak. Short lived buttholes. I'm joining team moron and we're taking no prisoners!!1
>be the enclave
>start a nuclear war
>abandon america to hide in glowBlack person bunkers to avoid the war they started
>come back and try to unleash a virus to gas the poors they abandoned in fricked up social experiment bunkers for the crime of not being from an enclave glowBlack person bunker
>this is somehow morally grey and not actually them trying to commit genocide
yeah but john henry eden has a very soothing voice, did you ever consider that?
>Be Enclave pre-war
>World is facing resource shortages
>Chinks release Covid in the the 2050's (New Plague)
>New plague spreads throughout the US
>Enclave subsidiary West-Tek works on a cure known as FEV to combat the plague
>Resource wars are going hot
>China Invades Alaska
>Running out of time
>Build vaults to save humanity and continue research
>Operation Anchorage
>The bombs drop
and all of this is supposed to justify them coming back and attempting to unleash a virus that kills people with benign mutations they got from living in the hellscape the enclave helped create?
Bethesda writing
>Enclave subsidiary West-Tek works on a cure known as FEV to combat the plague
no, they produced FEV in pursuit of a cure. there was no cure in the end, and FEV was quickly developed into a weapon by the US gov, who we now know since Fallout 2 was being puppeteered by the Enclave. It was Roger Maxson's main reason for defecting from the US military.
>Build vaults to save humanity and continue research
they gun down vault dwellers as soon as the vaults are opened, it's literally in the opening of Fallout 2. the Enclave are out for themselves and you are not invited. the entire point of the president's anti-mutant speech is two-pronged, he wants to eliminate the wasteland because it has spawned mutant ideologies, mutant ways of thinking, ways of thinking that could surpass or outright result in the destruction of the Enclave. we all agree they look cool, that doesn't mean they didn't deserve the nuke (or the gas).
Van Buren was about the resurgence of the New Plague. Being the direct sequel of 2 you would learn about the Enclaves true intentions. But it got canned.
>they gun down vault dwellers as soon as the vaults are opened.
Could have been a failed test vault. It was a dumb idea to introduce the meta faction and subsequently destroy them in the same game. Then Bethesda does it again because they cant write for shit.
I'm not even left-wing man. I just understood the basic subtext of the game. Unlike you, apparently.
no predictable double cross. Just revive the original concept of the encalve being in the business of constructing orbital ships to send out and colonize space. Where the vault experiments were never meant to be for the lulz but as controlled stress tests seeing what happens in different scenarios the colonists might encounter
it might require a slight retcon of the FEV super kill moronation experiment from F2 but nobody is going to miss that
If you mess with NCR's internal politics in 2 you can at least get a fascist NCR ending with Enclave infiltration.
>Shaken by the assassination of Vice-President Carlson, right-wing elements seize control of the Congress and set the New California Republic on a path to military rule. Eventually the survivors of the Enclave found a new home in the ranks of the NCR.
cool
they literally want to genocide the entire population of the earth, they're dumb cartoon villains,
>they're dumb cartoon villains
Yet another point in the Enclave's favor.
>>will send helicopters of badasses just to frick your shit up
that was such an oh shit moment
that armour makes him look like a beetle. pretty cool
True APA appearance will forever remain a mystery though that fanart gets the closest to what it should be like in my opinion. I wonder if the source files for the original render still exist somewhere.
FO4 unironically got to closest the original. NV looks like the tactics version.
the entire base isnt in the mountain nor underground
>the entire base isnt in the mountain nor underground
proofs?
NV looks like the cinematics and talking heads, not the gameplay sprite
why not ask some black isle devs? Gary Platner was the art director for fo2, maybe he knows
Encalave fans are massive /misc/cels, which is funny since the US is pozzed.
It's sacrilege to touch another man's art especially when it's so good, but I just had to try an edit to see what it would look like if it were even more in line with the game sprite. I think it's neat though I still prefer the original untouched art because it looks more Fallout-y in proportions and shapes.
looks better
>horseshoe crabs survived five mass extinction events in the oceans
>Enclave armor shaped like horseshoe crabs to symbolize them surviving the apocalypse on the oil rig
KINO
I always figured they were a cross between roaches and eagles, for obvious reasons. but the big shells make a lot of sense too now, cool detail.
the guy who recreated it in fallout 4 did a much better job.
I like your edit
I like it
Did you just make this? I was thinking the same about the arms and this is pretty much perfect
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE ENCLAVE
I loved every single Fallout game
You didn't. No one like brotherhood of steel.
Impossible nobody played tactics
I don't think you having shitty taste in games is quite the persuasive argument you think it to be.
I love Fallout 2 and it's kino pop culture references!
I don't get it
Look at what's commong between Sneed, Seed, and Feed, and then apply that knowledge to Chuck's name.
Cneed, Ceed and Ceed? The frick is that supposed to mean?
>Frick, Suck, Feed and Seed
>City slicker comes in need
>what was once Chuck is now Sneed
>21st century Simpson man
Play sonora, it's fun.
>unfinished machine translation
you know theres no translation you Black person moron why post this
>omg the game series that has a parody of coca-cola has pop culture references!!! i'm so clever for figuring this out i'm liking fricking sherlock holmes!!!!
>how do I go back in time and tell Todd to keep his filthy hands away from this?
invent a time travel machine
New Reno alone is better than entirety of Fallout 1.
No, it's not.
>get back to the entrance
>my car has been stolen
>the kid I paid to watch it was shot to death
probably my favorite moment in any rpg
so fricked up, funny, and real all at once. lots of games try to do 'city of sin' and fail miserably. fallout 2 really made you hate the place.
>the kid I paid to watch it was shot to death
You can save Cody by killing Jules after Cody tells you about the car before you leave the area. Unfortunately there's no way to become friends with Cody because he will get scared of you no matter what you do. 🙁
Bethesda should bow out and let Larian make the next Fallout in the classic turn based style.
Larians style fits even less than bethesda. Give that shit back to sawyer (or better yet let it die already)
>Give that shit back to sawyer
You want all gay companions and every quest to be CAPITALISM BAD?
you're confusing Tim Cain and Joshua Sawyer.
TOW2 will be good, I want to believe.
You are a moron. Sawyer had a shot at making a Fallout-style game and it was fricking terrible.
Sawyer was not the reason for New Vegas' success, that much is clear at this point.
>fallout style game
You're clearly not talking about NV so what are you talking about? PoE? The Infinity engine homage that was nothing like fallout in any way shape or form?
Outer Worlds now please have a nice day.
bear and bull dlc wasn't good either.
>Outer Worlds
That's even worse, you're confusing Tim Cain and Joshua Sawyer too. Is this a common thing?
>t. avellone fanboy
i would actually vomit blood
>Holy frick, so that is Fallout supposed to mean?
I thought India worked for Todd Howard?
Go back in time and take an english class for frick sake.
just because someone somewhere shits doesn't mean you have to consume it. yes beshitsda has literally never made a good game, let alone a good fallout game. So what? You still have fallout 1 and 2 to play. I suggest you play it again but with restoration mod this time.
I like 3, NV and 4, they're all good
Dropped 1 but gonna try again
any day now
>There could be mutants around here he said to himself as the cheap post-war wine flowed through his veins.
>You can go anywhere with a car.
what is that?
By going back and playing 1 instead.
A Sawyer/Avellone isometric Fallout would be such fricking kino. By the time Bethesda complete Elder Scrolls VI and finally work on and release a new Fallout it’ll be well beyond 2030. Why can’t they just outsource the project to them like they did New Vegas and give the old style a shot?
I don't trust Avellone after Lonesome Road.
As long as he's not in charge they can just edit out his moronation. He's still a great writer who has a few dumb ideas sometimes.
Toughts on Arthur Maxson? I think he's pretty cool, i like his coat
why was he obsessed with Syths never really got why people cared so much in FO4 about them
>why is the leader of the militant organization obsessed with the androids trying to infiltrate the chain of command for their nerd overlords
>why do people care about the nearly human androids that are slowly infiltrating society for this mystery organization
A few human NPCs are actually synths, and it never comes up because it's so secret that not even those NPCs know
he's unironically an interesting character. grew up with no parental figures besides BoS warriors, his only social contact was a robot, ends up growing up into a warrior who resents robots. probably as some form of coping mechanism.
The heir of both Maxson legacy and Lyons ideals.
Synths are not humans and should be destroyed.
Decent character with reasonable motivations but the eastern division of the BoS was a mistake
I think New Vegas has fun gameplay. I don't think classic Fallout has fun gameplay. :/
A game with classic Fallout's gameplay just won GOTY and countless 10/10s in 2023
Bg3 is nothing like the classic fallouts.
>turn based combat
>default view same as in isometrics games
You failed.
>turn based combat
>arr rook the same
Good job outing yourself.
BG3 is more like Dragon Age than anything else
Ganker once again proving that they never play the games they talk about
Say it again, nerd.
there's more to a game than perspective
>Fallout 3 moves series into the future! everyone likes muh FPS in teh current year! Nobody wants 3rd POV bird eye height turn based combat RP.... ACK!
Ok I know the photo is cherrypicked but holy shit he looks like hes about to shoot up tga
I loved how that guy in power armor on the stage cheered him up a bit when he pointed at him. such a bro
Yeah, nobody gave a shit.
The RPG revival is happening now, not when Fallout 3 was being developed
Moving the series to 3D FPS was a good move.
Now would be a good time to change it back. The turn based 3d content would make it a million times easier to implement all the crap they want without it being shit. Building a base from an overhead view would be way easier than trying to do it from a first person perspective.
>Marvel fans thinking more sales means it was good
they're both turned based and have a somewhat similar camera, that's it, visually they might be somewhat similar, but if you've actually played them both you would instantly know just how different they play
This what Fallout 3 was supposed to look like (minus the fantasy homosexualry)
if Larian made a fallout game it would probably be the greatest rpg ever made
Todd would never allow it. After that poor showing at the TGAs nobody is getting their hands on the Bethesda IP.
yeah I forgot bethesda management are still seething about obsidian getting praise for new vegas
It would be terrible and just divinity with a Mojave skin and nuclear sludge barrels.
>pretending dos2 is bad
>pretending bg3 is bad
let me guess - fallout 1 is the peak of the franchise? you're such a fricking drone
Fallout is the peak of the franchise.
>let me guess - fallout 1 is the peak of the franchise?
Yes, why not?
It's not the only franchise where the first installment is considered the best by many.
jesus did he get lucky
it's mostly because the classic fallouts have luck based combat.
For me, a lot of the fun in the combat in Fallout 1 and 2 is the preparation, tactical positioning and setting up ambushes.
Okay here's the question. What can be done to renew factions like the BoS or the Enclave?
The Enclave is easy they are the meta faction. Go with Tim Cains star-ship plan. All the control vaults were tests for generational space travel, the Enclave wanted to colonize a new planet.
They knew the war was coming, they built the vaults in preparation. It makes sense.
>control vaults
Test vaults, i'm tired.
it dont matter. none of this matters.
bethesda is equally proficient at butchering old factions as they are cooking up entirely original factions that are complete nonsensical dogshit
thats how we get fo3 with the "enclave" and "BoS" in it plus OC factions like the fricking talon company or the magical invulnerable child village right in the middle of the big bad "supermutant" base
Just don't.
Come up with new ideas. It's been 200 years since the war no one should even remember what it was and should have the same reaction today's people do when you mention napoleonic wars.
BoS and Enclave should also be a thing of the past no one remembers except for a few boomer remnants. The wasteland should be full of new political entities at this point, Ceaser's Legion and The Institute were steps in the right direction.
>Come up with new ideas
Yeah seriously. I don't give a shit about the brotherhood at this point. More new blood like the Legion or even trash like the Institute.
The only reason the ncr worked as a faction in new vegas was that they were a relatively minor part of Fallout 2. This series does NOT need to feature their 'growth' in every game.
>The Institute
Enclave with a different shade of paint
At this point, why not just play the Wasteland series?
I've tried to play wasteland 2 and got reminded why I don't like playing those xcom style squad games
shit feels too slow, and I'm saying that coming from a crpg background
Wasteland 3 is a lot faster, it's not as bloated, and has those great musical moments. You should try that one out.
I’ve been playing through the remastered version of 1, I’m stuck in the Vegas Sewer because the fricking android head won’t show up.
honestly i think if the game were to have us part of the enclave I think it be interesting if it's in a timeline in which the master won, like taking place in an ending in which the vault dweller took up his offer to join.
though i imagine that timeline is extremely fricked and dark because the brotherhood I think gets taken out of action in the super mutant ending of 1 thus don't send out other chapters.
While fo2 does have a lot of references, I still like a lot of the writing.
I need to do a female run so I can lez out with all of the hookers. And focus on unarmed so I can do the martial artist quests and boxing while I'm at it.
Honest opinion of the Enclave armor from 3?
They butchered all of Adam's work in that game
It's a pretty blatant rip-off of the Tactics Midwest BoS armor, but I still really like it design-wise. It's sinister and demonic looking which fits the Enclave designs.
It's far too weak in gameplay. It's touted as being APA MK II despite being weaker than Fallout 2's APA MK II and only as strong as T-45d in 3. It should far exceed Fo3's T-51b in stats.
I also like the Pig/Dog-man Hellfire Power Armor.
Hard agree with the Hellfire.
honestly i think the issue was that it was tone down in power because the enclave became a common enemy in the game, really they should of added in enclave infantry that are not in power armor.
But there are non power armor enclave infantry in 3?
Some Enclave NPCs in 2 wore combat and metal armor.
Most were PA, though
edit this to be a hellfire and normal enclave trooper
any power armour that isn't from 1, 2, 4 or 76 looks goofy because it's rigged to fit normal human proportion. For all its glaring flaws, Fallout 4 changing power armour from bits of armour you wear to a big exoskeleton suit you have to step into was a change for the better.
And yet at the same time it ruined power armor by having it be some Iron Man suit that entirely opens in the back so that you can walk onto it like it's some Marvel movie
Texan Brotherhood and Chicago Enclave linked up
I always find it funny how you cannot join the enclave in 3 and yet you can commit their genocide plan by putting the FEV into the water.
my biggest question is why does it look like the midwest brotherhood power armor.
dogshit that missed the mark
>Fallout 3 is what got me into Fallout and allowed me to play Fallout 1 and 2 which are fantastic
>Hate Todd and Bethesda for what they did to Fallout (especially 4, Shelter and 76) but without 3 I would've never played the series
It's an abstract kind of feel.
I can also relate to OP. it's why I would never outright call fallout 3 shit, how could I if it got me interested in the rest of the series? really, bethesda didn't completely shit the bed until fallout 4, although in retrospect the signs were there in 3 and skyrim, older fans pointed it out right away though obviously.
Pretty much, playing through 3 was fantastic and a very fun time but then going to New Vegas then 1 and 2 showed me just how much of a step down 3 was in a lot of ways. 4 was just terrible outside of a few things (like the combat, Power Armor changes, weapon mods, Silver Shroud quest) and I haven't even touched 76.
Bethesda is perfect at getting the surface level "feel" of a game right and Fallout 3 really does feel like a game where nukes went off and I'm exploring a wasteland, and that's great until you remember it's 200 years later and everyone is still living in destroyed buildings with skeletons and rubble everywhere. I'll admit it was a perfect way to introduce the series to millions of people (myself included) but once you dig deeper into the series you just see how much 3 lacks. Still has a fantastic atmosphere that NV, 4 and 76 can't touch though.
Although I will say that I do hate how 3 started the trend of turning the Fallout games into "le wacky future 50s apocalypse world", it wasn't *that* bad in 3 but 4 and 76 just feel so stupid.
I don't really hate 3 but after playing 1/2/NV I can see it's a step down and yet if someone were to ask me what game to start with in the series I'd always say 3. It's a perfect introduction to understanding Fallout on a surface level. Since if you started with 1 you might be overwhelmed by the gameplay system and starting from NV is fine but going to 3 would be a HUGE step down, even more so than 2 -> 3 since you actually have unique changes going from 2 to 3 unlike NV to 3.
3 also has cool ideas, like the Brotherhood Outcasts and Vaults being experiments.
If it was shilled a bunch on Ganker I probably would've given it a shot like I did for Planescape Torment. I wasn't around before Fallout 3 came out but was there tons of discussion of OG Fallout in 2006/7 on Ganker?
New Vegas has rare moments of atmosphere that trump 3's, and they all happen when the OST from the first two games kicks in
Vaults as experiments was a Fallout 2 plot point.
Sort of, the vaults being experiments mostly came from the Fallout bible because the functions of the vaults was fairly glossed over in 2.
Even then Vaults in 1 and 2 weren't very experimental by 3-onward standards. Vault 13 and 15 were relatively benign social experiments. Vault 8 was a control vault. Vault 12's "experiment" in the door not closing could have just as easily been an accident or construction error in-universe.
You didn't have the Vaults full of insane clones like what became the norm for experiments in the later games.
You should give FO76 another chance if you liked Silver Shroud or some parts of FO4. The same designer who created Silver Shroud, USS Const., The Covenant worked on FO76 post-launch updates. If you're a lore nerd then the BoS updates are also worth playing. Blackburne is voiced by the same VA who did Joshua Graham so it's a fun nostalgia pill to hear him in a fallout game, playing a honestly interesting character.
Fo76 has a completely unique identity compared to FO3/FO4. It's way more grounded and realistic and consistent in tone when it comes to the mainline quest design.
>Fo76 has a completely unique identity compared to FO3/FO4. It's way more grounded and realistic and consistent in tone when it comes to the mainline quest design.
though it does get fricked over by it's nature as a multiplayer game and Bethesda's need to shove things in places where they don't belong.
the multiplayer aspects are largely superficial. the map is ginormous and the max server size is 24 players. the main way you will interact with others is if you choose to join public events which if you just want to play thru the story you don't have to care about. i believe nowdays you can also skip the old main story which is about environmental storytelling through discovery of text and audio logs of the original settlers of the region (rescuers, free states etc) and nowdays the game just directs you to start the wastelanders (the "goodening" part) content when you leave the vault.
>That's really surprising
i have to disclaim that they do still have the BoS and the mutants and the enclave, but their take on BoS is mouch more interesting than in FO3 imo, Taggerdy's BoS is formed after the ideals of Roger Maxson, since the game adds retcontext in the form of Taggerdy serving in the US Army with him.
the only ding on the game is that if you want to play it like you play like previous fallouts and hoard everything you basically can't, there's mandatory inventory management, your stash in your camp can only hold 1600lbs of shit and if you want more then you need to have a fo1st limited camp object, although you can technically get it for free if you were lucky and installed it during a fo1st free trial.
I've never even played 76. I just saw the meh trailer, then the shitshow the game was on release and never touched it. It being online didn't help either since it just felt like mindless questing and grinding for stuff.
Maybe one day if I ever feel the urge. I didn't finish Fallout 4 until last year despite getting it day one and I never thought I would and surprisingly Far Harbour was a great DLC from Bethesda which is really impressive.
>Fo76 has a completely unique identity compared to FO3/FO4. It's way more grounded and realistic and consistent in tone when it comes to the mainline quest design.
That's really surprising, the entire game just felt like a huge lore frick you to me by having the game set 25 years after the bombs fell and just looked like Fallout 4 did while also having caps for no reason (although 3 had it too, so I guess it's just the currency now for no real reason) and its own chapter of the BoS too so hearing that the quests are actually decent is refreshing since I just assumed it was going to be "KILL LE EPIC BIG DEATHCLAW BULLETSPONGE IN YOUR NUKA COLA POWER ARMOR FOR 50000XP AND GET THE APPLE PIE BB GUN"
fallout 3 probably gets too much hate
Most of its problems are from being too ambitious. And not in a stupid way like starfield. How can I hate a game for trying and failing?
>Most of its problems are from being too ambitious.
>Fallout 2 map is state size
>Fallout 3 is 7*7 miles joke
>too ambitious
Ahahahahaha
Same but lets be honest if 3 had never happened I would have still gone back and played 1+2 eventually like I have every other hyped up classic crpg.
I like Fallout lore but the reason why 3 got me into the series is because it has such a fun gameplay loop, you go to play it for a hour or two, next thing you know it's 6 in the morning
Same thing happened to me, although with 4.
1 and 2 are my favorites, but I have a soft spot for 4 despite it being a bad Fallout game.
The Brotherhood needs a major defeat to make them interesting again. Let them get btfo in the show or the next game, then forget about them for awhile.
They already took a pretty big L in FO4 when Bethesda made them into fascist bad guys led by a MAGAT
that's a big W. they made them the best faction by giving them fascist aesthetics, you can cope, seethe, dilate, etc. but there's a reason there is more memes centered around the bos in 4 than any other faction, the others range from lame to batshit moronic.
they got pretty fricked up in new vegas
>be dev team
>see that the couple of wacky easter eggs that got snuck into fallout 1 were well received
>every single member of the dev teams adds their own wacky easter egg to the second game
>everybody believes they're the only ones doing this
>game releases
>wacky easter eggs are everywhere and forever doom the franchise to the le heckin wacky post apocalypse parody zone
watch the tim cain interviews, 2 had mostly new people working on it.
>so that is Fallout supposed to mean?
Good morning, sir.
Fallout 2 could tone down its wackiness. It's basically Fallout 1 with the Wild Wasteland from New Vegas, and I do not like the Wild Wasteland trait. Give me back my Fallout 1 atmosphere.
It's been 80 years since Fallout 1 anon. Things have changed, people have moved on and built shit.
Every time I see someone complain about FO2 being "too wacky" I assume it's someone who didn't actually play the game and is just parroting what they have read online, or it's some literal autist who simply can't get passed the joke, non canon Easter Eggs
my first fallout game was tactics
how does that make you feel
What? You don't like that no one bothered to remove a fricking Skeleton from a running diner?
It's so cool. People unable to clean up after the nukes dropped 100 years ago is so cool.
Vegas is not any better. The Strip looks like shit despite being one of the most civilized places in the west coast.
as a matter of fact, it wasn't graced by nukes at all, which is ironic, considering it's real life history.
>fallout 1 for the story, atmosphere, and dark tone despite its short length
>fallout 2 for the extra content and the mod that lets you control companions too
its as shrimple as that
also god damn I really enjoyed how busted gambling is in 1
Bros... has Fallout Sonora been translated yet...?
Machine translated
It's playable but not ideal
Play nevada or olympus if you haven't already first
Guys, guys, I got it: what if we have a bad guy who is basically like the midwest bos, but instead they're composed of the remnants of all the bad guys from previous games? So we have Calculator robots, some west coast enclave and supermutants, and they're all joined together through a sort of feudal system because they're too weak individually as factions anymore? So we get new models of the robots from tactics for ground troops, some air support and manufacturing from the enclave, and the mutants are there for additional numbers and interfacing with the humans since the robots can't and the Enclave guys are too few in number. So it's like a symbiotic relationship of the three. Maybe we even see like Horrigan Mk IIs or something as elite troops, and they kidnap humans to for the scientists to make more mutant soldiers and experiment, or get resources to build more robots to turn more surrounding areas into vassal states with "security".
Gameplay wise, it improves on 1 in every way.
Story wise, it's a downgrade.
1 and 2 still mog every 3d game
good morning sir! please do the needful!
when you travel back in time make sure to tell fergus and fargo that they are going to waste this franchise and defunct interplay with their moronation
i liked fighting my way down that casino after bangin' the owner's wife
>bang his wife
>bang his daughter pregnant
>steal from his safe
>assassinate him by trapping his safe with assistance from his wife
It doesn't get much better than that.
fallout 2 is the only one where i can make diverse and believable character builds
I wonder how the events of the series would change if the master actually won in the first fallout, like if the vault dweller actually did take up his offer to join the unity.
I imagine the world would be a fricked up place.
Fallout 2 did to Fallout 1 what Fallout 3 did to Fallout 2.
r/unpopular_opinion
Fallout 2 is filled with shit but it's still better than any Toddout.
I want to see more emergent wasteland nations. No more wasteland shitholes, have the people actually try to build something that lasts. Post-apocalyptic "death of the wild wes"t analogues are great.
Bethesda doesn't have the creativity to make civilizations.
I created a thriving trade hub complete with a capitol city in fallout 4. Todd entrusted me with kino and I executed it with abundant creativity
And avellone doesn't want them either considering the Tunnelers exist
Tunnelers are a meme, just like talking deathclaws.
Why did the tribals live in huts and not the spacious, opulent tutorial temple?
Stop being a fricking moron. Fallout 2 is fricking garbage and way worse than Fallout 3.
Because the tutorial temple was something that the publisher forced on the developer despite them not really wanting to have a mandatory tutorial section.
Enclave are a boring villain, 2 or 3 it doesn’t fricking matter.
probably due to them being a strawman.
Is Wasteland 2 worth my time?
t. zoomie who got into Fallout 1 and now wants more
It's very different from Fallout. It also isn't as polished as it should be, I personally really liked it but it can be frustrating and not for any good reasons. But I did like it very much, certain aspects of it are kind of cool. Wasteland 3 is a lot more polished, still very different from Fallout but absolutely worth a try.
buggy piece of shit with stuff like
>be in a location A
>dont interact with some side NPCs
>go to location B
>those NPCs you skipped are here and die
>backtrack to location A
>those NPCs are still there, alive
Now go and learn how much damage the Super Stim does to you. Discover how much health the President has. Then heal him to death, and use his Pres Pass.
I was one super stim short of killing him as that motherfricker had 150hp. Aggroing the rest of the presidential level sucked, even with the unarmored guys gassed.
This but with the Hubologist Leader so you can help out the Shi
i gave fallout 1 about two hours and i didn't like it.
fallout 1 is simply the better game
The average Fallout 3/New Vegas player doesn't even realize how much stuff was straight up copied from 1 and 2 unironically.
how would you ironically copy things from your own franchise
By being self aware about it
I can't stop minmaxing in F1, F2 and mods.
IKTF. So hard to dump agility or int
What is the best Fallout 3 Enclave mod?
I haven't played F3 in a long time and wanna give it another whirl.
still baffles me that its fallout 3 that won the post-apoc rpg war, when stalker came out like a year earlier, was better in every way, and was made by literal drunk russians on toasters. or ukranians. whatever the difference is. apparently, this difference is more important then ever getting to talk about the game series i love in any detail, ever again.
I wouldn't class STALKER as a post apocalypse.
yeah ill concede that. but they were definitely "dueling games"
and fallout 3 wasnt as well? shitposting aside, dunno, but dont think so. its just vanilla is incredibly jank as frick and definitely wasnt a great game by itself. the moddng community between the both of them are insane however, and overall i like stalker more, but it fits my autism better.
Wasn't STALKER like literally unplayable on release?
What is the best Fallout 3 Enclave mod?
It would have been EIP.
Would have been.
Just play New Vegas. Fallout is my favourite series, but it's so ftustrating. Everytime they add one improvment they nuke two good previous features. It's a 10/10 series without a single 10/10 game