How big of a deal is gold in dungeons and dragons (5e)? I played my first session recently, and acquired an item the DM made to be a fun "meme" item, but the item can be abused to make literally infinite amount of gold coins. Rest of my group didn't see the potential of the item and they let me have it. Would I be a dick if I were to abuse the item for infinite money?
It depends on the edition. In older editions gold = XP and the game encouraged you to autistic ally hoard as much as you could to lvl up. In later editions it is less important and it depends on the GM.
Why would your adventurer keep adventuring if they had infinite money?
Sure do it, then be prepared to lose the character.
>Why would your adventurer keep adventuring if they had infinite money?
They're being puppeteered by extra dimensional autistic entities who want to fight cool and meme.,
Oh, so its an utterly unserious game and the characters are little more than vehicles for your power fantasy. Who gives a shit then? Do whatever you want.
>Why would your adventurer keep adventuring if they had infinite money?
i would say motives beyond wealth but i feel like many characters (and irl people) given infinite money would just pay people to do their bidding for them
law of large numbers
5% chance of a +99 profit beats out a 95% chance of a -1 loss
frick now i kinda the idea of a linked bag of holding
>random shit is just stuff from another linked bag of holding
>why the frick does it have so much gold in it? who's using this bag?
imagine having an adventure inside a bag of holding dimension lmfao
players probably would never use a bag of holding that destroys your items if it couldn't be abused
my guesses as to what my group would do with such an item
>use it as a garbage sink. throw random trash in there, if they murdered someone and need to hide the body or evidence
>scam another adventuring group by charging full price for it
>turn it inside out and see what happens
>>use it as a garbage sink. throw random trash in there, if they murdered someone and need to hide the body or evidence
Presumably even this deffective BoH still has some sort of limit how much you can put inside before it bursts.
question is how does this bag work
>you put [item] in the bag
>you try to retrieve [item]
>rolled 5% so 1 gp comes out instead
can you reroll and search for the item again or is the original item gone forever?
more i think about it, if the GM is experienced this item's abuse potential is so obvious that i feel like he's thought it through and is baiting you to dig deep and greedily
>mfw there's a 0,1% chance to pull a Balrog from the bag
JACKPOT!
Still making u roll 5k times. Enjoy your 250 bucks
Right answer.
>Sure, roll as many times as you like! You can continue as long as you like until the other players have had enough.
I have run games for 35+ years
That's where you offer each other player 10% cut for letting you keep rolling
>until the other players have had enough.
that's reasonable. how strictly do the players have to stay engaged into the game? i assume that if the other players start ordering dinner or stop paying attention and go on their phones just end the session and say no more rolls?
knowing my group if the DM gave an infinite money button you have to roll for i'd assume they'd just use it here and there to farm up money during downtime.
>imagine having an adventure inside a bag of holding dimension lmfao
Reminds me of that old SCP entry about an infinite potato sacked and the failed attempts to explore it.
Because.
It's like you never played game with no resources in it or where wealth is a non-measurable
>Why would your adventurer keep adventuring if they had infinite money?
Maybe they're being paid in happiness. Money can't buy that
Having infinite money isn't gonna help you when the Necromancer is building a giant undead army to invade the land.
Hobby
Abuse it for your amusement.
why are 5e dms always so moronic?
>Would I be a dick if I were to abuse the item for infinite money?
Yes, unironically, no context needed.
Most actually useful things in 5e don't have a price, so I don't think it will help you.
>an item the DM made to be a fun "meme" item, but the item can be abused to make literally infinite amount of gold coins
What exactly does it do?
it's a malfunctioning bag of holding
every time you want to retrieve an item from it, it has a 20% chance of giving you random rubbish, 75% chance of giving you the item you wanted, and 5% chance of giving you a gold coin
so I figured I would just get a lot of of copper coins and put them in and out until they're all replaced by gold coins
I'd make u roll every time. Five percent ain't squat
Imagine some sperg actually bothering to roll for 100 copper coins every session. Or a thousand.
Rolled 87, 13, 76, 34, 85, 4, 25, 86, 71, 16, 37, 55, 53, 58, 12, 22, 61, 34, 97, 18, 46, 40, 74, 72, 72 = 1248 (25d100)
Eh, there's online dice rollers for that to speed things along.
Imagine being the autist who tells the table he's going to use an online diceroller so he can abuse the mechanics of his magical shekel bag
Let's consider something. Why would a character, in-universe, NOT abuse their shekel bag?
if you post exactly every 60 seconds, you can (apparently) make 1gp / min
a phb longsword costs 15gp
so in the time it takes for the rest of the party to solve a low-level encounter, you can afford to buy a weapon.
and making the rest of the group pause their own actions and watch while he rolls the dice a few thousand times. There are players out there like this.
Yeah, as written that can easily go infinite. But since it's a homebrew item I would expect that as soon as DM realizes the potential he will pussy out and go "the bag has run out of coins".
Copper coins are still coins. Fill it full of tiny rocks instead, call them “sling ammo” if you need an excuse, since you can pick those up for free literally off the ground.
If I were the GM I would say "Ok, if you want to use it this way you can make 2d20 gold coins every time we have downtime between adventures, or 4d20 but you will start the adventure fatigued", and be done with it. After all pulling off the trick will recover many tries, which means time and concentration.
>After all pulling off the trick will recover many tries, which means time and concentration.
Not that much time really, storing or retrieving item takes an action, aka 6 seconds. One in 20 tries gets lucky, but each try is actually 2 action (pebble or copper in and then something out) so 40x6 seconds, aka 4 minutes to get 1 GP, or 15 GP an hour.
Yeah, but I'm still gonna opt to offer an abstract/arbitrary deal with a 'payoff' that is decent but not excessively destabilizing for the game. It's either that, or I rewrite the item so that it can't be abused.
>yfw the malfunctioning bag of holding is taking things from other realms on accident
>one of the portals leads to the treasure trove to a hell lord
Sorry brah, keep doing it and your fricked.
Make it a Red Dragon. Every time he uses the bag for an X number of coins a counter is put down somewhere. This number represents the sounds of coins jingling next to the sleeping Dragon.
Actually a good plot hook
I guess it's fine to try to abuse with this item, but as a GM I'd make it so the money you get from it are counterfeit or some thugs want to get rich with it and hunt you down, so it leads to some fun adventure stuff. But a shittier GM (like the one giving players overpowered items without knowing) might say "n-n-no, you're not supposed to do it that way, you broke your artifact or something".
do the malfunctioning attempts permanently lose the item you try to grab?
Also, you could arguably just shove any garbage you pull out back into the bag and use it to gamble for coins.
And don't limit yourself to the shiny lure of coins. Rubbish can be useful sometimes. Even if its just to harass someone.
Still, unless you want that bag to be the last fun thing your GM gives you, avoid asking your dm to let you waste your time (and his) trying for the jackpot.
Frick that. Just get a bunch of stupid "free" items like rocks, sticks, and so on. Then your stupid bag transmutes them into gold. And if you get random rubbish, back into the bag it goes. Everything will eventually come out as gold.
As Dire Straits said, "Get your money for Nothin"
If you can remove one item per turn, then on average you'll get one gold coin every two minutes, ten after twenty, a hundred after two-hundred minutes, or a thousand after 2000 minutes, or 33 hours non stop. It may seem exploitable, but compared to most treasure rolls even at a low level it's not worth the time spent on it.
Good luck getting eaten by this homosexual
Forgot pic
Depends on futher context. Money isn't much good if you can't spend it on things you want. Perhaps because nobody sells them. If your setting doesn't have magical items aftermarket any amount of money can only buy the best mundane gear.
Still, producing infinite amount of anything is inherently exploitable - you can fill pits, avalanche cities, reshape landscape and so on.
In 5e, it isn't at all. In the only two 5e campaigns I've ever had reach completion, the party never quite struggled financially, but had to be mindful of how often they made big ticket purchases right up until they hit the jackpot and were declared independently wealthy.
>Would I be a dick if I were to abuse the item for infinite money?
>abuse the item
>abuse
>implying you can do something that the GM doesn't allow you to do
>all the other nogames discussing this as a legitimate concern
What kind of pussies are running your games, what kind of homosexual are you, and Do You Even Play?
Ok, so you found a loophole that could in theory allow you to break my world's economy. Do I want to run game about this? Will everyone have fun playing this? Is this a good plot hook to use?
Yes? Ok, you keep your toy.
No? Then it just stopped working, because I say so. Now get on with playing the actual game or GTFO from my table. "Problem" solved.
Gold used to be extremely important, now it's been reduced to the equivalent of pennies in the 1920s.
>How big of a deal is gold in dungeons and dragons (5e)?
very little since the goal is always to kill big monster and you can rarely, if ever, buy anything helpful in killing big monster
>Played first session recently
>Already on /tg/
ngmi
Not that important but in every single D&D 5E game I played I was lucky to even make 5 gold a session and was selling magic items was out of the question as they were always given to other people but me. Still though there are other uses for gold coins other then buying stuff.
>Would I be a dick if I were to abuse the item for infinite money?
No, anon.... you would be a dick if you DIDN'T abuse it for infinite money.
Imagine, the global economy collapsing under the sheer weight of gold your meme item produces, the famines, the poverty as the once precious gold, the backbone of your settings economy, turns to a common lump of yellow metal, worthless for basically anything, and now, not even rare enough to be a store of wealth.
Imagine the kingdoms reduced to ruin as their royal coffers were turned into defacto scrapyards by the work of your meme item, and your greedy, ruthless exploitation of it based on "rules as written"
Imagine for a moment, if you will, entire nations rising up against you and your party, destroying the source of this infinite gold, just to save the last vestiges of sanity and a semblance of civilization.
Imagine... you have become the Big Bad.
now THAT'S a campaign.
The benefit to being WORDS WORDS WORDS is that Burlew has given his characters some excellent lines.
>"Fascinating. It appears you cease to be a mighty wizard and become a fragile pointy-eared monkey. While I? I am still a dragon."
Xykon's speech on power is even better.
>"Your soul shenanigans are real flashy, but they hold one weakness: they were shackled to your lame mid-level ass! I used to think spells equalled power, too, back when I was alive. I've learned a lot since then. You know what does equal power? Power. Power equals power. Crazy, huh? But the type of power? Doesn't matter as much as you'd think. It turns out everything is oddly balanced. Weird but true. For example: Right now, power takes the form of a +8 racial bonus to Listen skill checks. So, Uncle Xykon, what's the moral of the story? A big pule of spells isnt' enough when the other guy has a big pile of spells AND the strength to crush your windpipe with his bare phlanges."
You can't possibly think that clumsy writing counts as an 'excellent line.'
>Claims it's "OLD TESTAMENT"
>3e is old testament according to him
>Outright has his buddy interpret the rules in an obviously malicious fashion
This guy probably doesn't know about the shorty bonus.
Bag of holding inside another bag of holding = instant astral adventure.
congratulations young adventurer.... after defeating the lvl 1 skeleton in the crypt, you find a treasure chest, after opening it's long since rusted and broken lock, you find a magical sword whose blade appears to be made of flowing liquid metal.
what do you do?
Depends on if the DM is aware. If he is, he WILL frick you over.
If he isn't, and he isn't giving you loot, then he's likely expecting you to use it to craft your own gear.
I tend to give my players big gold payouts rather than items since I rarely run proper dungeons with loot - they have a guy with expertise with smith's tools in the party and a homebrew feat that lets him cut the time/cost for crafting armor and weapons, so they take downtime to make their own stuff.
>How big of a deal is gold in dungeons and dragons (5e)?
In 5e, not at all. Buy the weapon you want and as good armour as possible, and then spend the rest on moronic bullshit because it's funny
>"Should I abuse it?"
Ask the group out of game if they think it'd be fun or super gay. If they don't want you to do cheesy bullshit like this, don't, if they're cool with it (including the GM), then hell yeah.
The reason to consider the GM's opinion is that they might find it fun to give you challenges or plan character interactions and so on based around you having your item, but they might alternatively find it annoying as shit, and you end up in a situation where they try fricking you back for trying to frick them, and that's no fun for anyone.
it used to be a big fricking deal, but in 5e is means pretty much nothing
Gold in 5e, much like everything else, is poorly handled and its use is left entirely up to DM discretion. So you could have an infinite amount of gold and potentially get next to nothing out of it, unlike any other edition of D&D.
From a Watsonian perspective, the best course of action would be to hire a few NPC peasants to put rocks in and out of it 24/7 while you slay ogres or whatever. You don't need class levels to use a bag.
From the Doylist side, DM most likely wouldn't let you get infinite money, so gifting the bag to an NPC ally is again the best choice, as npcs are controlled by DM and so he won't feel cheated. You won't need to roll endless d20s or fight balrogs, and while you won't get all the money, you still hopefully create a powerful ally who can sponsor your party in the future. As DM can make story from this, he should let it slide.
>hire a few NPC peasants to put rocks in and out of it 24/7 while you slay ogres or whatever
But wouldn't that significantly reduce your gold gains? Peasants would probably just put most of the gold in their pocket.
WHAT A FRICKING moron FILL IT WITH PEBBLES THAT SHIT IS FREE
GOD YOU GOY ARE AS BRAINDEAD AS THEY SAY
>To purchase one functional healing potion, you must spend an entire village's weekly income
DnD money is weird. It's like anything with a slight connection to magic operates on a different economy than normal items.