How can Nintendo get away with such blatant lies? It's not even a lie by omission, it's literally a fricking lie.
How can Nintendo get away with such blatant lies?
How can Nintendo get away with such blatant lies? It's not even a lie by omission, it's literally a fricking lie.
cry about it
why mario, of all things
why
i can even understand "must have all funkos", but why MARIO?
Spoonfeed me which part is a lie
Nvm, Authorization is not a legal term. It means jackshit
Exactly. Just because Nintendo only authorizes it's software's use in specific scenarios, doesn't mean they have the legal right to prevent others from doing so. There's lots of things like this in legal contracts.
Nintendo is not just going “cause we said so”
They are citing DMCA and the ruling on the favors on the cases against Execute and other consoles modders to support their claim.
Nintendo develops and uses emulators to make its older games available on recent platforms.
Nintendo has comisioned and developed N64 emulators for gamecube, emulator of 1,2,3 and 4 gen consoles for wii virtual console, same for wiiu, 3ds and switch. You can buy roms legally online in sites like project EGG to play on you emulator.
lots of rereleases of older games on new platforms are bundles of emulator+rom, most of the times roms are not even dumped by the companies making the port, but they grabbed them from the interwebs.
Not only are emulators legal in America, dumpin your own media is legal in Japan and most of EU countries.
Legal companies, including nintendo, are making millions thanks to emulators
And?
What does that have to do with OP pic?
see
Where's the lie?
Wait the morons actually made yuzu into LLC? No wonder they got sued
gotta get those tax breaks for all the patreon money
LLC means they can't bankrupt themselves. It's a smart move, even if they get sued, they'll just declare bankruptcy.
being an LLC protects them from what happened to gary bowser you fricking moron
When did it turn into one? I wonder if they turned it into one after that.
LLC was formed on 22nd of March 2021 apparently.
They probably formed it just for due diligence after they started raking in money.
The only reason you form an LLC over just yourself is to cheat on taxes with the deductibles
>A video game emulator is a piece of software that allows users to unlawfully play pirate video games
So the classics section in the Nintendo Switch Online subscription is piracy?
It's not a pirated game if you're paying the original owner for it.
It's obvious the way they've set it up that emulation equals piracy when they use emulation themselves. They've already associated emulation with something negative when it should just be "video game emulation is software mimicking hardware to play games designed for that platform". That's what it is.
>It's obvious the way they've set it up that emulation equals piracy
>"that allows users"
not with that language
Keeping up an exercise routine allows people stay healthy.
frick off nijisister
You so dumb
You are if you don't understand why they phrased it the way they did, especially towards people that possibly don't know about the subject. To someone else that wouldn't know it can sound exactly like
>A car is a vehicle that allows a person to get to their destinations faster than they would have by foot
They are leading people that are ignorant on the topic with their own definition that gives them wriggle room by omitting information to make a term that they're against to have the negative connotation they've attributed to it as it's sole function.
No. It doesn't say "an emulator is a piece of software that exclusively plays pirated games" now does it, my reading comprehension deficient friend?
Emulators do let you play pirated games, that's literally 99.99999% of their use case. They also let you play your own tipped games but, lol. Are we pretending people do that?
Im sure Yuzu has metric data on that… that right now they are rushing to erase before the case gets into Discovery
There is no way for yuzu to tell a legit game apart from a pirated game but regardless you can bet your ass there are mountains of private chat logs incriminating the Yuzu devs, they are 100% finished if this goes to court and they can't scrub the evidence.
Everyone (including the developers) knows that the only reason switch emulators exist is to play free games without having to buy a console, any other opinions being spread are just table cloth.
Im sure the lawsuit already show an extract of their Discord where people were sharing games files.
>my reading comprehension deficient friend?
funny you would call him that when you missed the obvious implication of his post, which is that nintendo is lying by omission. that, or you're pretending to be moronic to bootlick for a corporation online. dunno which is worse.
There is literally no lie. They do allow you to play pirated games, it's an absolute fact and the only reason yuzu is even popular.
It's a lie by omission
please google "lying by omission" before embarassing yourself further
Pirating games is literally the main use of emulators. The only one embarassing themselves by posting the same thing about 5 times so far in this thread is you, rajesh
Because it is obvious they are omitting and phrasing it for this reason:
they are covering their bases so they can't get caught with their pants down when the phrase can be easily interpreted as an emulators function but gave them an out to say it isn't its only function and not providing a neutral definition for an emulator.
>99.99999%
Overly exaggerated, especially in the day with Nintendo continually releasing more games on their subscription service and more retro game collections get announced or released. There must be some money in them if they keep releasing them.
Its the classical framing and poisoning the well fallacies, lawyers are not honest people
Oh yeah, I'm sure that's why yuzu is making 30k a month. You guys are so fricking disengenuous it's nothing but laughable. It's literally a tool for piracy, with a couple of edge cases of people dumping their own games. It also requires encryption keys to even work, which cannot in any way be obtained legally. So even if yuzu is half legal, it literally does nothing without the illegal part. Of course they tell you to get it yourself, which is a laughable defense.
I emulate and pirate games all the time, the o lnly difference is I'm honest about doing it and don't care.
I don't give a FRICK about Yuzu, I care how they frame the word emulation as because that encompasses a LOT more than Yuzu.
Good news then, it's yuzu being sued and not everything else. Emulation is awesome but needs to be a niche thing that corporations can just quietly ignore. Selling a product that plays pirated games day one is a bad move and is going to ruin it for everyone.
This isn't the PS1 days anymore and corporations have more power than ever. Nintendo is going to win this case and it will be a blow to the entire emulation scene.
The problem is how the definition is being morphed and is more frequently being dressed as to emulate is to pirate. All the while you can purchase emulated games or get them off of subscription services. If there is acceptance to their definition then that is the definition.
Seethe harder pirateBlack person
>lying corporations are
I remember back in Oct 2013, I pre-ordered pokemon from a specific store just because I knew it would arrive before streetdate. I'm evil according to Nintendo.
>Pirates when the game leaks: "Yar Haaar! HAHAHA I'm STEALING the games for free at 4K on this Emulator HAHAHAHA! GET WRECKED NINTENDO!!"
>When the Emulator devs get sued for intentionally facilitating piracy: "It's all lies! waaah I nebber pirated a thing. How could Nintendo even say that?"
Why are pirates utter b***h boys? Slimy weasels who never stick by their words.
Those two greentexts don't even begin to contradict one another.
But the Switch you own is decrypting the files.
>But the Switch you own is decrypting the files.
ehem
"You can not decrypt their files by a mean besides the one they provide" *
Better?
and no, "But you use their prod.key"
That is catch 22 cause the prod.key is also encrypted.
I remember decrypting games on my 3ds.
good for you?
Nintendo is claiming that needing to decrypt games outside of their provided means counts as circumventing a protection system which is illegal under the DMCA
Nobody knows for sure if Nintendo is correct on this though until a Judge decides
Even worse, even if the judge decides Nintendo is right, it doesn't mean they're actually right, just that they convinced some stupid tech-illiterate judge.
If they are actually "right" or not is irrelevant, only what ends up getting enforced.
>judge
They request a Jury Trial.
100% playing into moronic normalgays who don't fricking know what an emulator is and won't be convinced by citing precedents.
Hard to convince normies “emulation is for preservation” when Nintendo lawyers can say they can go into their phone right now and buy a copy of a switch game on Amazon in 2 minutes
Jury are the most powerful and paid the least. I hope this shit will be televised.
It's not a plus, emulation being normalized means increased competition which gives inreased incentive for any game company to keep up. Competition is good, a landslide victory for Nintendo results in mediocre produce.
>cheat
its over bros
are there any middle aged white women that will actually be convinced that you can, in fact, do what you want with things you own (yes even data downloaded from the internet)?
Lol no
DMCA has distinctions between Computer programs, Audio Visual files and Video Games.
Games has the less “you do what you want” provision
If, IF Nintendo gets ruling on their favor. This kills “emulation is legal”.
It doesnt kill emulation but emulating any game that comes encrypt does becomes ilegal.
It wont really kill emulation the the scene will became a lot quieter. Which is a plus.
They have become annoying ALOT in the last decade
“Well, actually emulation is not illegal, im totally dumping my own files and just pirating lel”
They brought this upon themselves
Nintendo is dodging the "are emulators legal" argument completely and going squarely for "decrypting our code is illegal"
But since every console since 2004 uses some form of encryption, it effectively would indirectly kill emulation.
I guess they feel that arguing the "is emulation legal" is too risky to get what they ultimately want.
Nintendo is not destroying the whole car, just cutting the break line.
Its super narrow view and split hairs, but in theory it could work.
>How can Nintendo get away with such blatant lies? It's not even a lie by omission, it's literally a fricking lie.
not lying, they are literally just making the claim that under DMCA its illegal to decrypt their Files.
You can dump them in your PC for the sake of safekeeping but (some exceptions aside) you can not decrypt them meaning they cant be used for purposes of playing
funny how this is illegal in america, probably not in Japan, home country of nintendo. also legal en europe
Japan is one of the most copyright-authoritarian countries, there is no "fair use" over there
explain comitia, comike and all the conventions with tons of derivative works, most of the time +18. pretty sure they have the right to also make copies of their own media. America is a copyright hellhole.
Yes. Both you and the other anon are correct. The Osomatsu anime got sued for referencing Attack on Titan. They had to remove the episode. I'm not sure what allows Derivative Works and not Parody in Japan.
No, all those events are the culmination of Japan media acknowledgment of the free marketing that it brings.
If they REALLY wanted, X or Y series could 100% being forbidden from having porn doujins
>acknowledgment
manga industry pipelines is years of doujinshi > becoming pro. the whole industry inside the derivative culture industry, is not in the same as in america where everything is 99.99% lawyers and big corpos. systemic crackdown on derivative works make by individuals in Japan is not posible. America is a pretty sad country for IP, copyrights.
In Japan it's illegal to modify game saves
Its not illegal to decrypt
DMCA disagrees with you.
laws are so gay
>The DMCA prohibits you from breaking any encryption or physical lock to access copyrighted material.
https://gizmodo.com/the-new-dmca-rules-dont-go-far-enough-1739174855
>watch video on youtube
>i now have to go to jail for I've decrypted their encrpytion watching copyrighted material
Not sure think he is smart ass or legit moronic
That would literally defeat the purpose of encryption.
>game preservation is when i can play any game i want for free
>industry pushes back against what is literally piracy
>NOOO HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME?
how is it a blatant lie? this emulator was used to play Tears of the Kingdom 1-2 weeks before the official release date. I'm curious why Nintendo has waited until now to open a lawsuit. They should've done so the day after Tears of the Kingdom leaked and was played before official release on that emulator.
>when your English isn't quite first language
Opinions change, its very likely that 5 years ago they decided that litigation was not worth the effort, and now they have changed their minds.
Not every company is playing some 5d chess game, the answer is often just as simple as "they changed their minds"
A car is a device that allows a person to kill others by ramming into them at high speeds.
What if you make the best car in the world, BUT, it only works with Jetfuel.. you know, that thing nor ally people can access.
So most people instead of go tru the pains of buying jetfuel by the proper channels just steal it from airport hangars.
The makers of the car know this and yet do nothing cause “lol im not the one physically stealing, totally not my fault”
This is a fricking moronic analogy that doesn’t even work
What about the people getting Jetfuel through the proper channel?
A knife is a device that allows a person to stab people to death.
It becomes a game of numbers.
If 100 people buy a knife. How many use it for cooking and how many go around stabbing people?
Same will be for Yuzu.
If 10M people download it.
How many have the knowledge and means to dump the files themselves and how many just download a copy of the prop.key
You can not show explicit data. But is easy to interpolate some conclusion if they look at overall downloads of Yuzu and “Downloads of prop.key” vs “Downloads of the tools required to dump the prop.key from your own Switch”
Do you have a license for that knife?
Just come to Ganker on any given day and read how many people are talking about pirating switch games on the daily using yuzu
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's a lie.
It's a lie by omission
it really isn't. there's no lie in saying that it allows users to do illegal things. most items do, as someone else in the thread used the car example
>there's no lie in
I never said there was a lie in what's being said. I said it's a lie by omission.
They aren't lying though
They're lying by omission. When you're in front of a judge you're under oath and are required to speak the whole truth, not half-truths.
>Cars are vehicles that transport people
>S-stop lying by omission!!! They a-also let you sit down and play the radio!!
have a nice day
You're being dishonest with this here strawman argument. Deceit, half-truths and dishonesty are lies. They're untransparent. They're erotic. They're art. But again, they're lies.
>"They're untransparent. They're erotic. They're art"
>anon started being esoteric
i have no idea what you're talking about anymore
>x is like y, like z, like x
The frick could I mean?
it's not really a lie, not even by omission. it's pretty safe legal speak really
>expecting court filings by nintendo lawyers to be neutral
It's the jury's job to decide whose right. Everyone else just makes their case, lies or not.
i wish i can go back in time and add "the right of the people to keep and emulate video games, shall not be infringed." into the constitution
>Nintendo authorizes for play solely on Nintendo Switch console
Jesus christ
Imagine only being authorized to drive on Tesla roads or to play guitar on authorized Giannini studios
i wish emulators can also cure cancer or something so they can stop just pointing out the piracy argument
What are they omitting? That NSO uses emulators too?
That's not relevant to this case.
Imagine I have a scrombugolator. I tell you the scrombugolator allows someone to watch pirated movies. What would you think is the main use of a scrombugolator?
Reveal: a scrombugolator is a DVD player
How dare Nintendo word stuff in a lawsuit in a way that helps their case, rather than trying to be impartial
This is insane, insane I tell you
God you fricks are moronic
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