Lucky egg has been free in every game since this one. I don't see why that's an issue, the game's xp system punishes you for being overleveled so it only really helps your newer team members catch up
except everyone complained about the free lati in ORAS
the lucky egg won't make you more powerful on its own, it just cuts down on the time you need to spend grinding. you know, the part of the game that's not fun.
same deal with Audino.
I feel like the only thing hard about these games was elite 4 and not knowing what types all the Pokemon are because there designs are so fricking weird and unintuitive
Hard mode gym leader Cheren is the most dificulty any battle in the whole franchise has given me, mainly because you're given frick all opportunity to train a team before hand
Yeah the truth that using one mon is the optimal strategy in every pokemon game, but that isn't the intended way to play and no one does it outside of young children.
Source? Pokemon Origins shows that the Canon way to play Kanto was with an overleveled Charizard
9 months ago
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>Source?
the games telling you repeatedly to train multiple pokemon
9 months ago
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*Catch multiple Pokemon
9 months ago
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no, they say to train multiple pokemon
9 months ago
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>Professor Oak: "To make a complete guide on all the Pokémon in the world… That was my dream! But, I'm too old! I can't do it! So, I want you two to fulfill my dream for me! Get moving, you two! This is a great undertaking in Pokémon history!"
9 months ago
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You got eyes homie? The source is anywhere you can see people playing pokemon, from our own home grown team threads to people posting/streaming their playthrough, to people you just meet and talk about pokemon with.
The only adults I've seen that prefer to play with one mon are the person that made those gifs, speedrunners, and a person I know who doesn't even like pokemon.
You're still not showing me how you didn't overlevel mons between your teams.
I said team, not teams. That way, I'd see the levels and if you ever had a point or not. Instead, you think more is always better as some sort of gotcha and now your argument lacks substance.
>Y-YOU NEED TO USE MORE THAN ONE POKEMON >”I did” >Y-YOU NEED TO USE SIX POKEMON >”I did” >Y-YOU NEED TO LEVEL ALL OF THEM EVENLY
wow there sure are a lot of requirements for a game that supposedly has good difficulty
can’t wait to see what your next excuse is
9 months ago
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>scolipede is 20 levels lower than krookodile
ishygddt
9 months ago
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We can see you over leveled one pokemon homosexual
9 months ago
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Case in point, after three dodges of the crux of the argument. Thanks for wasting everyone's time by reaffirming you are a schizo homosexual who never had a point to begin with and shouldn't speak about Pokémon game difficulty.
9 months ago
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>SEE!? SEE!? HE DIDN’T OVERLEVEL ONE POKEMON HE ACTUALLY OVERLEVELED FIVE POKEMON
I don’t think this is the win you think it is
9 months ago
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I'm not gonna humor you anymore. Stop being intentionally moronic to pretend others are. You haven't proved a single thing. Everyone's team eventually reach 100, but EVEN STILL you have gaps galore. Frick yourself.
This was okay, probably one of the better and more consistent difficulty levels in the series, but I'll admit it's a lot more fun to do SV tasks out of order
>Never skip any trainers or encounters, should be around the intended level >Necrozma is still several levels higher >The Black person has such inflated numbers in his base stats and move power that he one or two shots my team >Only options are to grind more or use x items to inflate my own numbers
A good example of the wrong kind of difficulty, and the limits of difficulty in the singles format.
In the context of vanilla Pokémon, yes. When we go into the realms of rom hacks and other shit made by the community, far from. CK+ is one of the hardest, but still good and actually tolerable unlike Run&Bun or radical Reddit on hardcore.
Regular SM is about on par with Emerald and Platinum, and BW2 goes in that group too. DP should not be there, it is easier than some of the ones you left off the list.
Other than that sort of alright list.
>this game where you mash A the entire time with your starter is harder than this other game where you mash A the entire game with your starter, trust me bro it’s totally nuanced
So difficulty is a yes or no to you instead of a spectrum. Got it.
9 months ago
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I hate to break this to you, but red and red are the same colors on the spectrum.
9 months ago
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So prove that B2W2 is identical in difficulty to games after it, since that's exactly what we're discussing. You know, so your analogy to all of them being red can actually hold up.
9 months ago
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It's not identical to the games after it. It's actually worse than the games after it.
9 months ago
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>dragon dance + dragon tail
This will always be funny and pathetic. Remember when gen 3 had a torkoal under the sun with overheat and white herb?
9 months ago
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fixed
9 months ago
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>6 pokemon that all job to drain punch
vs >6 pokemon that can all easily sweep drayden’s 3 shitmons
not helping your point bucko
9 months ago
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actually fixed for real
9 months ago
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>use 180 power move >doesn’t even deal 1/2 of its hp >kommo-o used drain punch! >heals all its hp back >dead incineroar
you’re digging your grave more and more, unovasister
9 months ago
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if i wasnt lazy this would be troonyrina because there's an unskippable cutscene where an npc hands you the fairy z-crystal immediately before this fight
9 months ago
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actually fixed for real
oh no no no
yawngay will never come back from this
9 months ago
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I remember being hilariously overleved for Kommo-o in both games and the earlier totems being a lot harder. It goes down fairly easy to any fairy attack anyways and iirc you get fairium Z before it to trounce the fight.
Drayden is still shit but USUM isn't le ebin hardcore game that people like to pretend it is
>Game gives you TMs after every gym fight, money to buy items, and rewards you with even more items if you explore >Noooooo the developers didn't intend you to use these!!!
Why are people like this?
It's not hard if you consider that it hands you a free Lucky Egg to overlevel your Pokemon, a broken Work Up TM to make every battle effortless, and overpowered Pokemon like Lucario available at the start of the game.
>I wanted to get the white dragon, but this was exclusive to Black >I did not get Black because of my distaste for black people even when I was younger and there were no black people around yet
🙁
B2W2? The game where Gym Leaders max out at three Pokémon? The game where Elite Four members only have teams of four? The game where you are railroaded and handheld all the way through the story? The game where you are handed a free Lucky Egg halfway through the story? The game that altered the EXP system so that it's literally impossible to be underlevelled? The game that gives you free Chansey clones to grind on anywhere except they are almost a guaranteed 100% encounter? Sure, buddy.
>people are having a discussion >barge in to say "actually none of this matters and if you think it does you are dumb" >conveniently this makes the thing i like look better and the thing i don't like look worse >another internet argument won
i've played Black 2 multiple times albeit on normal mode. I go out of my way to fight every trainer, and I do also do a little bit of grinding.
I have never been as overleveled as this dude. so clearly he's talking out his ass.
(but we all knew that already)
I replayed X recently to get a shiny clawitzer. unfortunately you need the natdex in order to get shiny charm, even if you just port in a full living dex through bank. this was my runtime for the main game + 2 hours of chain fishing
interesting how the goal posts shifted from “my game is difficult” to “my game is difficult if you use more than one pokemon” to “my game is difficult if you use six pokemon” to “my game is difficult if you use six pokemon and level all of them perfectly evenly which you have to do because…I said so”
It was always "game were more difficult back then than they are now" and the one moron keeps using semantics to make it seem like a different standard every time. You can't compare difficulty between the games without having a standard way to play them, because changing playstyle changes the difficulty.
the argument was always “the game is difficult if you use six pokemon and level them evenly”
and if you don’t, you know, grind excessively
not our fault you have to attack strawmen because you can’t refute it
>the "troll" keeps coming back to be proven wrong again >he's actually psychotic enough to consider this a win
I'm sure the discord raiders are here, and I need to say get out while you can, don't let the obsession destroy you like it did this anon.
isn't this the one that gives you a free lucky egg and then shit like drilbur right at the start of the game
drilbur is after two badges
yeah, perfect pitch
Lucky egg has been free in every game since this one. I don't see why that's an issue, the game's xp system punishes you for being overleveled so it only really helps your newer team members catch up
>the game's xp system punishes you for being overleveled
Like every single game before and after it?
it's more punishing than prior games.
I'd rather they give it to me. just use it when you need it. do you have no self control? that's like b***hing about shift mode being an option
if you have to self-impose difficulty that means the game isn't doing a good job of that itself. which is what the op claimed
pokemon fans could literally be given the final boss mon at the start of the game and claim it's not bad game balance because you don't have to use it
except everyone complained about the free lati in ORAS
the lucky egg won't make you more powerful on its own, it just cuts down on the time you need to spend grinding. you know, the part of the game that's not fun.
same deal with Audino.
99% of players aren't grinding in a baby game
then the lucky egg doesn't make a difference
>Lucky egg has been free in every game since this one.
yeah and those ones suck too. doesn't mean it doesn't suck here
I feel like the only thing hard about these games was elite 4 and not knowing what types all the Pokemon are because there designs are so fricking weird and unintuitive
you might be moronic
>might be
Hard mode gym leader Cheren is the most dificulty any battle in the whole franchise has given me, mainly because you're given frick all opportunity to train a team before hand
You’re joking, right?
>It's the autist who overlevels his pokemon but claims he hasn't
hey homosexual how have ya been.
It's yawngay.
Has anyone ever noticed that anti-Unovagays actually post supporting evidence to prove their points like
while pro-Unovagays just repeatedly claim their game is good like
and expect you to just believe them?
They're years old bait no one cares to argue over anymore
>anymore
they were never argued with to begin with because there’s no counterargument to the truth
Yeah the truth that using one mon is the optimal strategy in every pokemon game, but that isn't the intended way to play and no one does it outside of young children.
Source? Pokemon Origins shows that the Canon way to play Kanto was with an overleveled Charizard
>Source?
the games telling you repeatedly to train multiple pokemon
*Catch multiple Pokemon
no, they say to train multiple pokemon
>Professor Oak: "To make a complete guide on all the Pokémon in the world… That was my dream! But, I'm too old! I can't do it! So, I want you two to fulfill my dream for me! Get moving, you two! This is a great undertaking in Pokémon history!"
You got eyes homie? The source is anywhere you can see people playing pokemon, from our own home grown team threads to people posting/streaming their playthrough, to people you just meet and talk about pokemon with.
The only adults I've seen that prefer to play with one mon are the person that made those gifs, speedrunners, and a person I know who doesn't even like pokemon.
both of these were from the same playthrough btw
so much for “the game is balanced if you use more than one pokemon”
Now post team you turbo autist. A team is six, you know.
holy mother of grinding, at least play vanilla colosseum first so this shit doesn't look ridiculous
for those not in the know, the metagross is captured at level 50 and then literally only usable for the final boss fight
I used Metagross in the postgame dumbassio
nostalgiatards aren’t even familiar with their own games
then show togetic next time, moron
how the frick does metagross gain 12 levels just from deep colosseum
tyranitar and salamence are also purified without gaining any exp
lmao
You're still not showing me how you didn't overlevel mons between your teams.
I said team, not teams. That way, I'd see the levels and if you ever had a point or not. Instead, you think more is always better as some sort of gotcha and now your argument lacks substance.
>Y-YOU NEED TO USE MORE THAN ONE POKEMON
>”I did”
>Y-YOU NEED TO USE SIX POKEMON
>”I did”
>Y-YOU NEED TO LEVEL ALL OF THEM EVENLY
wow there sure are a lot of requirements for a game that supposedly has good difficulty
can’t wait to see what your next excuse is
>scolipede is 20 levels lower than krookodile
ishygddt
We can see you over leveled one pokemon homosexual
Case in point, after three dodges of the crux of the argument. Thanks for wasting everyone's time by reaffirming you are a schizo homosexual who never had a point to begin with and shouldn't speak about Pokémon game difficulty.
>SEE!? SEE!? HE DIDN’T OVERLEVEL ONE POKEMON HE ACTUALLY OVERLEVELED FIVE POKEMON
I don’t think this is the win you think it is
I'm not gonna humor you anymore. Stop being intentionally moronic to pretend others are. You haven't proved a single thing. Everyone's team eventually reach 100, but EVEN STILL you have gaps galore. Frick yourself.
>more hours in XY than BW2
unovasisters…I thought our game had the most content? What happened?
he grinds levels and then complains games are too easy. It’s literally been years of this
> he grinds levels
shows otherwise
unless you consider normally fighting trainers “”””grinding”””
>go through the entire game with a single overleveled mon
>"wtf why is this so easy"
maybe stop playing like a toddler
and
already show it’s not a single pokemon
Get better arguments instead of shilling game freak’s poorly designed games
those aren't the same playthrough as the lucario gif. stop lying.
Show the whole party.
Show the trainer card too.
>40 fricking hours
LMAO
40 hours for the entire campaign and postgame is pretty reasonable
>gen 5
>postgame
those have different teams
>difficulty
It's piss easy like all the other games.
This was okay, probably one of the better and more consistent difficulty levels in the series, but I'll admit it's a lot more fun to do SV tasks out of order
sorry I posted the wrong pic
ultra necrozma is the worst designed boss in any pokemon game. it's romhack-tier shit.
>it's fine when kanto does it
when does kanto do it
????
>Never skip any trainers or encounters, should be around the intended level
>Necrozma is still several levels higher
>The Black person has such inflated numbers in his base stats and move power that he one or two shots my team
>Only options are to grind more or use x items to inflate my own numbers
A good example of the wrong kind of difficulty, and the limits of difficulty in the singles format.
>Hardest
USUM
>Pretty Good
Emerald
DP
Platinum
>Easy
Everything else
In the context of vanilla Pokémon, yes. When we go into the realms of rom hacks and other shit made by the community, far from. CK+ is one of the hardest, but still good and actually tolerable unlike Run&Bun or radical Reddit on hardcore.
Regular SM is about on par with Emerald and Platinum, and BW2 goes in that group too. DP should not be there, it is easier than some of the ones you left off the list.
Other than that sort of alright list.
That box art looks tough
I'm sorry, if ANYONE says a pokemon game was difficult in any way you're just a moron or played the game when you were 6.
>I AM INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING ANY SORT OF NUANCE
>this game where you mash A the entire time with your starter is harder than this other game where you mash A the entire game with your starter, trust me bro it’s totally nuanced
>I AM INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING ANY SORT OF NUANCE
>2 and 3 are the same number because they're both less than 4
>2*2 and -2*-2 are different numbers because I grew up with -2*-2
So difficulty is a yes or no to you instead of a spectrum. Got it.
I hate to break this to you, but red and red are the same colors on the spectrum.
So prove that B2W2 is identical in difficulty to games after it, since that's exactly what we're discussing. You know, so your analogy to all of them being red can actually hold up.
It's not identical to the games after it. It's actually worse than the games after it.
>dragon dance + dragon tail
This will always be funny and pathetic. Remember when gen 3 had a torkoal under the sun with overheat and white herb?
fixed
>6 pokemon that all job to drain punch
vs
>6 pokemon that can all easily sweep drayden’s 3 shitmons
not helping your point bucko
actually fixed for real
>use 180 power move
>doesn’t even deal 1/2 of its hp
>kommo-o used drain punch!
>heals all its hp back
>dead incineroar
you’re digging your grave more and more, unovasister
if i wasnt lazy this would be troonyrina because there's an unskippable cutscene where an npc hands you the fairy z-crystal immediately before this fight
oh no no no
yawngay will never come back from this
I remember being hilariously overleved for Kommo-o in both games and the earlier totems being a lot harder. It goes down fairly easy to any fairy attack anyways and iirc you get fairium Z before it to trounce the fight.
Drayden is still shit but USUM isn't le ebin hardcore game that people like to pretend it is
>I AM INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING ANY SORT OF NUANCE
“4” isn’t any more nuanced than “4”
>I AM INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING ANY SORT OF NUANCE
I’m perfectly capable of comprehending nuance. That’s how I’m aware when it doesn’t exist, unlike (You).
>I’m perfectly capable of comprehending nuance.
evidently not
Or played the game properly
6 or more pokemon, no overleveling, not using tms, no items in battle, set mode
>Game gives you TMs after every gym fight, money to buy items, and rewards you with even more items if you explore
>Noooooo the developers didn't intend you to use these!!!
Why are people like this?
>last gym leaders has three pokemon
no it didnt
It's not hard if you consider that it hands you a free Lucky Egg to overlevel your Pokemon, a broken Work Up TM to make every battle effortless, and overpowered Pokemon like Lucario available at the start of the game.
>I wanted to get the white dragon, but this was exclusive to Black
>I did not get Black because of my distaste for black people even when I was younger and there were no black people around yet
🙁
inb4 "press a to win"
>Unova fans will attempt to gaslight you into thinking this is good difficulty
>hacks in a overpowered shillmon like riolu
>LOL THIS GAME TOO EZ!!!!
man, you fricking discord raiders are something else
Holy falseflag post
oh god this freak is back
>implying he ever leaves
B2W2? The game where Gym Leaders max out at three Pokémon? The game where Elite Four members only have teams of four? The game where you are railroaded and handheld all the way through the story? The game where you are handed a free Lucky Egg halfway through the story? The game that altered the EXP system so that it's literally impossible to be underlevelled? The game that gives you free Chansey clones to grind on anywhere except they are almost a guaranteed 100% encounter? Sure, buddy.
>people are having a discussion
>barge in to say "actually none of this matters and if you think it does you are dumb"
>conveniently this makes the thing i like look better and the thing i don't like look worse
>another internet argument won
>can’t actually counter the points about blatantly lying about his favorite game so he makes a passive aggressive post like a coward
kek
your moronation is self-evident
>H-HE ACTUALLY DID USE SIX POKEMON? SHIT I BETTER USE MY BAIT MEME REACTION IMAGE TO HIDE THE FACT I DONT HAVE AN ARGUMENT
kek
>nooooooooo please take everything i say at face value
and i'm not the anon who was just responding to you, gaytard
variety
i've played Black 2 multiple times albeit on normal mode. I go out of my way to fight every trainer, and I do also do a little bit of grinding.
I have never been as overleveled as this dude. so clearly he's talking out his ass.
(but we all knew that already)
Leveled stats were a mistake.
Pokemon should all have their lv 50 or lv100 stats and level up only to learn moves and evolve.
you can show that the game has bad difficulty by just sweeping everything with drilbur instead of hacking levels to match xy
I replayed X recently to get a shiny clawitzer. unfortunately you need the natdex in order to get shiny charm, even if you just port in a full living dex through bank. this was my runtime for the main game + 2 hours of chain fishing
3DShomosexuals... how do we explain this one...
chain fishing, hordes, and ribbons make the 3ds games better than gen 5 in my eyes. they're obviously way easier than the ds games though
Opinion noted, but as respectfully as possible, I don't. Gen 5 likewise has exclusive features that are etter.
interesting how the goal posts shifted from “my game is difficult” to “my game is difficult if you use more than one pokemon” to “my game is difficult if you use six pokemon” to “my game is difficult if you use six pokemon and level all of them perfectly evenly which you have to do because…I said so”
It was always "game were more difficult back then than they are now" and the one moron keeps using semantics to make it seem like a different standard every time. You can't compare difficulty between the games without having a standard way to play them, because changing playstyle changes the difficulty.
> It was always "game were more difficult back then than they are now"
except this also got disproven
try again bucko
the argument was always “the game is difficult if you use six pokemon and level them evenly”
and if you don’t, you know, grind excessively
not our fault you have to attack strawmen because you can’t refute it
imagine getting btfo in your own thread three times, and you’re still gonna come back tomorrow and try and pull the exact same shit
I dunno, BW1 were so shitty and the digimon on the cover of BW2 looked so awful I never bothered to try them
I don't think I missed anything though
I wonder why there aren't comments like this on any of the BW2 gym leaders....
I don't know why you'd try to invoke youtube comments against a game that has cynthia in it
You're right, Cynthia in USUM is pretty hard
lol, you got btfo four times and you're still doubling down
bumping this thread so i can keep laughing at you
>movesets
Try Elesa you sly pig
>he's resorted to posting random youtube comments
pray for the poor sap, clearly unova has broken his mind.
Holy fricking kino
>the "troll" keeps coming back to be proven wrong again
>he's actually psychotic enough to consider this a win
I'm sure the discord raiders are here, and I need to say get out while you can, don't let the obsession destroy you like it did this anon.
it's too late for them
gen 5 was a misteak