I loved this series, it never stopped being hilarious to me how every character was dramatically spitting buckets of blood whenever they were about to lose or were humiliated somehow.
Guan Yu was an infamous bloated egotist who believed his own hype, taking a stupid spear head position geographically between Wu and Wei at Fan castle. As you can imagine they absolutely demolished him and his men for being so fricking stupid and ignorant of their situation through a political pincer attack to finally expunge him from history.
Practically every single member of his family was murdered except for his youngest son Xing, who went on to do absolutely nothing of note whatsoever.
Guan Yu is revered as someone who shows steadfast loyalty and respect to his brothers. Unfortunately for him this did not extend to the officers serving under him, which led to them screwing him over at Fan Castle.
It's actually a pretty similar scenario with Zhang Fei.
If Shu's downfall can be traced back to one misstep, it would probably be the Jing incident, which was caused by GY's unparalleled arrogance and autism.
Zhou Yu literally warned Sun Quan about Liu Bei's potential(and he was right). But Lu Su and Sun Quan both wanted Liu Bei to remain a threat to Cao Cao, so they let him have Jing(which was a right call). Sun Quan was just a b***h that freaked out after Liu Bei got Yi and Hanzhong and decided to backstab Guan Yu because Wu was gonna become the weakest of the three kingdoms. Guan Yu's attack on Wei went so well that Cao Cao was scared enough to consider moving his capital.
It's too bad Zhou Yu died young cause boy did Wu needed his insights. Dude actually had a plan back to reduce Liu Bei's influence and predicted a few major events like Yuan Shu being a psycho, Ma Chao being a treacherous dick along a few others. Dude was on the pulse of what was happening and had great foresight.
Sun Quan freaked out after Liu Bei conquered Yi because Liu Bei blocked Sun Quan from doing that very thing using some excuse about protecting his kinsmen Liu Zhang which is a flat out lie because Liu Bei had no proof he was a descendant of the Han emperors. Guan Yu fricked over Wu first, not Sun Quan just being an uppity gay. Guan Yu personally insulted Sun Quan, and the generals of Wu, then he raided a Wu supply depot to feed his campaign against Cao Ren. In short, Guan Yu played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
for all the shitflinging about "muh benevolence" and "muh ambition" the Wu were the peak morons of the era. literally just Jian was worth a shit and he dies at the start.
Sun Ce did more than either his father or brother did in just a few short years. Shame about getting ambushed and mortally wounded before he picked up any further momentum.
11 months ago
Anonymous
he was a fricking moron tho. twice as bright half as long makes for a fun story but it's a cautionary tale.
>Zhuge liang: Guan yu, bro, my dude. We can beat Wei and we need to go conquer the west but we just need one thing from you. Keep Jing and don't antagonist Wu >Wu: Yo, we had some bad blood about that whole jing thing. How about we make happy and marry our kids into each other families >Guan yu: YOU THINK I'LL MARRY MY DAUGHTER TO SOME FISHFRICKER? LMAO FRICK YOU. YOUR LEADER LOOKS LIKE A FORIEGNER. >Ok now I've pissed wu off and made them liable to backstab us, I'm going to leave jing completely undefended to attack Wei, despite being told strict orders to just defend.
Guan yu was a moron. The second Liu bei wasn't around to keep him and zhang fei on a tight leash they both fricked up and got killed.
>Agree to do a collaborative war effort to beat caocao >Shu give like a few troops and officers and pretend like they are helping >While Wu is doing the bulk of the fighting Liu bei leads his troops to just conqure an entire county >Wu win a bloody fight and... get nothing from it while Shu get a fat chunk of land
Wu was nothing but the butt of jokes in general. After Sun Ce died they never really conquered any new land until they got mopped up by Jin 80 years later.
>How was he an idiot? Liu bei was for sure, guan Yu was not.
Historically, Liu Bei and Zhang Fei was the big brain military guys of Shu for the most part(Fa Zheng was ). Half of the stuff Zhuge got credited with in the novel was stuff Liu or Zhang.
Kinda funny how the book also uses Zhang Fei as a scapegoat for Liu's less virtuous behaviour at times.
Example...
Romance version: >A commandery-level inspector is sent to survey Liu Bei's county after Liu Bei is appointed as a county prefect as a reward for helping to suppress the Yellow Turban Rebellion. The inspector hints to Liu Bei that he wants a bribe, but Liu Bei does not understand the inspector's point. Later, even after his assistant explains to him, Liu Bei still refuses to bribe the inspector. When the inspector is unable to find any fault with Liu Bei's administration, he attempts to intimidate the locals into making false accusations against Liu Bei. Zhang Fei is furious when he hears about this and he barges into the county office, drags the inspector out, ties him to a post and gives him a severe thrashing. Liu Bei shows up and stops Zhang Fei. When Guan Yu suggests they kill the inspector and seek their fortune elsewhere, Liu Bei refuses, resigns and returns his official seal to the inspector before leaving.
Historical: >Liu Bei was the one who beat up the inspector. The Han central government had issued an imperial edict to dismiss all officials who received their appointments as rewards for their contributions in battle. Liu Bei knew that he was one of such officials. When a commandery-level inspector was sent to the county to formally dismiss him, Liu Bei sought a private meeting with the inspector. However, the inspector claimed that he was ill and refused to meet Liu Bei. An angry Liu Bei then gathered his men, barged into the inspector's quarters, and falsely announced that he had received a secret order from the commandery administrator to arrest the inspector. He tied the inspector to a tree, took out his official seal and hung it on the inspector's neck, and flogged the inspector over 100 times. He wanted to kill the inspector but eventually released him when the latter pleaded for mercy. He went on the run after that.
GUAN YU WAS A GLORIFIED BANDIT KING WHO TOOK AN OATH WITH A RICE LORD AND AN ACTUAL BRIGAND TO UNIFY CHINA AND WREST ITS LAND FROM THE TYRANNICAL ZHUO DYNASTY.
THE GOD OF WAR.
THE FRICKING PIECE OF SHIT.
>Talking shit on guan Yu
How was he an idiot? Liu bei was for sure, guan Yu was not.
Its his fault for following these 3 morons. The big bro is a pussy who always talks about being a good goy to a dying bloodline. Guan Yu was a moronic megalomaniac who fricked shit up, should've been on a leash. Fat dude was a true moron who fricked shit up the most.
Should ve stayed Wo Long instead.
I mean that just Shu in a whole nut shell.
Romance of the Three Kingdoms, true to its name, romanced the hell out of Shu. When in truth it was a shit kingdom that didn't know when to give up.
I like how Shu is portrayed as holier than thou yet they were the number 1 backstabbers of the era. Did they not betray anyone they allied with? Even Lu Bu wasn't this bad when he was the one made fun of for this
9 had significantly worse review scores than previous titles, and for good reason but I think it still ultimately had more sales than either 7 or 8 did.
I don't know. But weren't 9 and 9Empires received very poorly compared to previous titles?
9 had significantly worse review scores than previous titles, and for good reason but I think it still ultimately had more sales than either 7 or 8 did.
They should just start experimenting with using wo long as a temlate
Historically Lu Bu was a phenomenal soldier and duelist but got too big for his breeches and thought he'd just backstab his way to the top, Cao Cao waited for him to drink himself into a stupor and then slipped in and tied him up
For a series like DW I think this would be one of the few times where a release character DLC by DLC might actually be the best way to go.
You first take the early part of the 3K story, maybe up to removing Dong Zhuo from power, have only the characters that would be around and adults at that time (so in this case liu bei and his brothers, cao cao and his cousins, Sun Jian and the old veteran guards, Zhang Jiao, etc etc) With these smaller cast you make each of them play differently, flesh out their unique weapons and movesets, develop multiple big and detailed stages and have the campaign be around all of this. Release that on a cheaper price. Now after release if the reception is bad and sales are bad, you cut your losses and stop development. But, if sales are decent and interest is remaining good, then you start work on characters that began their service in the era afterwards and do the same cycle, and repeat until you get to the last year's of the period with the last batch of characters. Because right now it's evident to me that having so many characters now and trying to shoehorn all of them into the campaign that stretches from the yellow turbans to the end of Shu and Wu, it's just causing the deva to half ass everything, giving a bunch of characters cloned movesets, have some characters appear once in campaign and never seen again etc.
I thought that sales of SW5 were good but they for some reason didn't capitalise with more DLC?
They said from the start there was never going to be DLC, people using the lack of DLC in SW5 as evidence of it's faliure when it sold iirc 420k copies
I'm fricking ready for DW10.
Bring back classic formula.
With modern graphics.
With ass jiggle for girls and Zhang He.
I don't mind smaller roster as long as there are no clones.
NO CELL SHADING. NO ANIME. SW 5 visuals fricking sucked holy shit.
I always assumed Cao Cao was the bad guy and Zughe Liang and Liu Bei were the good guys from watching Red Cliff and the first episodes of RottK.
Was I wrong?
>slaughtering men who don't even want to be there en masse is fine >but slaughtering women and children is always muh war crime
I will never understand normalgays for thinking this way.
Why do people seem to have this hatred of calling attacking and killing men and women war crimes? it's not like you can just go to a foreign armies military headquarter attacked them and not be guilty at work on hashtag Russia and attacking a killing clear civilian targets is unacceptable regardless if they are women children or adult men who are clearly unarmed.
Cao Cao for quite some time had been vilified. Looking at things in a modern perspective more and more people are coming to the realisation that he was the best chance for the country's stability and handled his kingdom a lot better than the other 2.
He had the most "Do what needs to be done for long term peace" attitude.
Yes and no. It was a period of war so you do whatever to win.
Cao Cao did purge a few cities for little reasons and Liu Bei is generally a just warlord, for the time anyway.
Liu Bei's claim was about as strong as a random asian saying he's the heir to Genghis Khan and should rule Mongolia. He was the biggest warlord of them all if we're talking about the definition of the word.
This is relativist bullshit. No wonder China is in the state it is today. Chinks truly reselble israelites in certain regards, for example their post modernist pilpul and trying to frick you over evrey single time in business and infiltrating foreign countries with their agents.
To be fair its not just a China think, in East Asia it's a popular archetype for a villain based off historical figures who were all about not following rigid social systems. Cao Cao, Nobunaga, Genghis Khan, etc.
>moronic ranting
You and your people and your politicians let this happens. Dont blame the chinks, blame yourself and your failed state. Also remember to blame israelites and Black folk too. When you come to work remember to salute the rainbow and bow down to blackedrock and vanguard
What the frick are you talking about? China is even more corrupt, the only difference is that they're all Chinese. For now, anyway.
The point is that Chinese (and the israelites) know very well what is good and what is bad, they simply pretend there's no good or bad to frick you over. >it was true in my mind >I don't feel bad because if I didn't do it someone else would have done it, it's like the market
Literally said by Soros about his collaboration with the Nazis, by the way.
China is only more corrupt because they didn't legalize the entire process of lobbying like the US.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Right, if lobbying was legalized clearly the buildings would stop falling on themselves.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just like how the US Highway would stop collapsing on itself, amirite?
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's because diversity hires built it. Also stop comparing 1 thing against 100. It's like when China says that blacks in the US suffer racism when people point out their concentration camps lol. It's pathetic and someone with more than 2 brain cells can see through it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's because diversity hires built it.
The frick are you talking about moron? Those were built DECADES ago. The problem is a lack of maintenance. Also those diversity hires will replace you, funny enough.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm European...
Why are you reveling in it? Are you of those ride the tiger morons?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm European...
Okay, then you're getting replaced by somalians, same thing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Everyone is getting replaced. Why does it give you such a hard on, are you israeli?
11 months ago
Anonymous
fricking kek, well it's definitely making me laugh. And yes of course I'm israeli, why the hell wouldn't I be :^). Anyone giving you a hard time is automatically a israelite, right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anyone laughing about someone else's genocide is definitely a israelite.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bit of an exaggeration there, kek.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have you ever been to a kindergarten or primary school in any Western country? Clearly not.
If there was a live feed of kindergartens on television 24/7 I can guarantee you almost everyone would vote straight far right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
how is that genocide
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If there was a live feed of kindergartens on television 24/7 I can guarantee you almost everyone would vote straight far right.
They wouldn't. Anti-racism has essentially become a religion here.
t. an anon from the most cucked yuropoor country
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why the hell would you think that most of the people who laugh about genocides are laughing out of israeli genocides tried to tell people don't believe it they control the media I'm smarter than every historian because I'm not in the pockets of acceptable israeliteett standards. And so normal healthy individuals laugh at those people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED!!!
>>Da israelitews!!
Whites are the biggest collaborator and abettors of israelites, Israel exists today because of angloids. They're your biggest ally, yet morons like yourself think whites are the good guys. Whites are such slaves to israelites, israelites really are far superior to whites. It's whites destiny to be the eternal slave of israelites. Keep seething about china, won't change the fact that your nation is governed by israelites
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay rabbi.
11 months ago
Anonymous
How do we know this judge was actually israeli and the guy didn't just assume he was israeli because he wanted it to happen swiped down by someone who happens to be israeli? And what exactly what they have been stopping these illegal immigrants from getting with taxpayer money 911 service emergency hospital help? And people who complain about how much they lose due to Illegal immigration never take into account the amount of money businesses and governments get by illegal immigrants not getting full sets to financial refunds or government reimbursement.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Pfaelzer
Being this naive should be a crime.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I worked with a librarian for years with the name Mrs Quan my mother assumed she was Asian.She was white.
China is doomed. It's market is going to crash, it's population is going to die out, and all those ghost cities will be filled with actual ghosts from all the people that died from the bioweapon that they released.
I seethe about people pretending good and bad don't exist to frick me over. I couldn't care less about China.
It's a fact that today china is country where the culture is to pray god to get rich. If that's a good culture to have then I have nothing more to say to you, keep believing your moronic shit.
Yeah it's fricking huge, covers decades but is a kino soap opera. I tried to get a decent torrent years ago but the only one I could find had files that were like 15GB in size PER EPISODE.
it's related to the general political zeitgeist in China, when a new power supplants an older one they praise Cao Cao for being a genius and a reformer (Mao Zedong was a huge Caogay), when a power is safely entrenched they praise Liu Bei and his gang for standing up for the similarly entrenched Han (
>to finally expunge him from history
well this failed
No, Cao Cao was the basedest guy. If Cao Cao had Guan Yu and Kongming under his wing, he would have been the emperor a long time ago. Too bad he didn't know about Wo Long
Yes you were. Being is a criminal.
Cao Cao on the other hand is literally the definition of "I am surrounded by idiots". Imagine trying to maintain any semblance of order in country when all of the people running it are more interested in shiving each other for more land than actually do their jobs.
It's kinda hilarious that the three kingdoms figures receive legendary hero properties but then fiction ends and reality hits and they all receive these traditional historic endings where they just die like b***hes.
That's the best part of historical fiction like this, there is a limit to the power level and plot armor the author can give the characters. Helps keep it grounded.
He won a ton in his era, it was overwork and illness that caused him to die, and he still managed to win battles despite being dead. His administrative state was like a miracle in that era of China too, and heck, even compared to today's dismal China.
>war torn feudal shithole from the 19th century to the 1970's >now second economy in the world >greatest infrastructure on the planet >major diplomatic power, if not currently single most important country diplomatically >b-but China bad !
>greatest infrastructure on the planet >massive empty cities >buildings built like shit and collapse regularly
ok chang, you're not doing too hot today so i hope your meeting with general tso goes well
>massive empty cities
This was honestly the biggest westoid self report narrative you could imagine. Literally seething at the idea that the government might want to pre-empt future housing demand rather than let property prices inflate infinitely in a generational pyramid scheme.
11 months ago
Anonymous
lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
he (not me btw) is right though
11 months ago
Anonymous
he (not me btw) is right though
why are you correcting him?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do you even know why those buildings were bulit?
Doesn't seem like you because it's literally a state funded pyramid scheme.
Embarrassing.
he (not me btw) is right though
No.
/pol/tards crossposting is a cancer, don't you have a monkey putin thread to post in
You are the cancer with no argument throwing ad hominems, he's right.
>b-but there are poor in America/Europe as well!
Yeah but not even close to half the population. That's more than the population of Europe and America living in poverty, think about that for a second.
Have you ever seen a Chinese house? You clearly haven't.
Also you haven't replied to my point, half the country lives below poverty line, they don't know what they're going to eat tomorrow.
>This homie watched serpentza and chinese insights and thought that half the chinese population doesnt have enough to eat
Le ex dee
11 months ago
Anonymous
What is your argument?
11 months ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you talking about? China is even more corrupt, the only difference is that they're all Chinese. For now, anyway.
The point is that Chinese (and the israelites) know very well what is good and what is bad, they simply pretend there's no good or bad to frick you over. >it was true in my mind >I don't feel bad because if I didn't do it someone else would have done it, it's like the market
Literally said by Soros about his collaboration with the Nazis, by the way.
Come to china and see it for yourself. Because your words are just regurgitated from mouthpieces with an agenda. If you dont see the chineses as equals, you will never be able to defeat them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I would rather not come to a country that hates me and could incarcerate me to use me as a political pawn. The CCP literally pretended that Covid came from Italy. Look at what happened to the Canadian guys.
You must be moronic as a Westerner to go to China in 2023.
>>then I have nothing more to say to you
Lol, it's okay, you don't need to pretend.
As in discussion...
11 months ago
Anonymous
Whatever... keep building your moat
11 months ago
Anonymous
Self conservation is a virtue. I'm not opposed to China in principle, the problem are the circumstances. China wants to become the hegemonic power and we're nothing more than pawns for that goal. I understand them but I'm not gonna let them have their way if it's gonna cost me.
Again, traveling to China as a Westerner in 2023 is extremely stupid, do you not agree and if so why? Again, look at what happened to the canadians. The CCP has been spouting anti West propaganda for some time now and the many Chinese have been brainwashed into hating foreigners.
My friend is married with a mainland Chinese. His sister is married to a Japanese. My friend's wife did not want to meet the Japanese guy because of the indoctrination she was subjected to. She started crying. It's not normal not wanting to meet a random person who's never done anything to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>indoctrinated to hate japs >still have the largest number of weebs in the world
otaku/nerd culture, or ACG as the chinks call it crosses boundaries
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not normal not wanting to meet a random person who's never done anything to you.
This isn't a problem exclusive to the Chinese, to be fair. There are plenty of morons here in America who will react the exact same way about random strangers of whatever country the American media has been shitting on lately.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I highly doubt they would break down in tears.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Most cultures in the world teach their children not to talk to strangers. It's definitely normal.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its inevitable, the chineses will take over the world, and they are not as pleasant as the israelites to work with. But eventually, empires fall, like the Dutchs, Brits and currently the Mutts. Everyone must adjust to the changing political climate. You cant deny that the chineses are becoming the worlds strongest, financially speaking. I just dont think that hating them can help at all. Maybe try to outisraelite them instead of ranting about their weaknesses tbh.
11 months ago
Anonymous
but that doesn't make me feel better about my situation, moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
China is a paper tiger. Call me when the Chinese army has a fought a sinle war. They even lost to India in the Himalaya.
Most cultures in the world teach their children not to talk to strangers. It's definitely normal.
That is bullshit. It's not a stranger, it's the husband of her husband's sister. It's family.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you seething about a paper tiger? And you've provided one example of a girl breaking down that no one can verify, meanwhile you've got chinks working with jap studios all the time making shit like genshit and phantom blade zero.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Why are you seething about a paper tiger?
Why do you ask the same question multiple times? The question was already answered here
I seethe about people pretending good and bad don't exist to frick me over. I couldn't care less about China.
It's a fact that today china is country where the culture is to pray god to get rich. If that's a good culture to have then I have nothing more to say to you, keep believing your moronic shit.
>hurr no one can verify
It's a direct experience that confirmed what I already knew. She also randomly brought up Nanking once when we were talking about something completely unrelated.
>le paper tiger
Brown hands typed this
No argument. Ad hominem.
how is that genocide
If a population is intentionally eradicated what do you call it? Just because they don't point a gun at your head and shoot it doesn't mean that there's no intention and the result will be different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The whole point of immigration is to boost population numbers. What you're talking about is racial demographics. And no one is stopping you from fricking white women. What a fricking overdramatic moron lmao.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>The whole point of immigration is to boost population numbers.
Right, because we can just keep growing ad infinitum.
It's a bullshit excuse to delete all identity and create a race of slave mutts, you genius. Zero identity, zero loyalty.
11 months ago
Anonymous
but are they forcing you not to frick white women?
11 months ago
Anonymous
They brainwash people into not wanting to have families by selling a hedonistic lifestyle and are making it as hard as possible for the average person to afford one. It's not out in the open, everything they do is cleverly disguised, they can claim it's your choice when in reality they made sure all the odds were against you and you had no agency to begin with. Essentialy the end result is the same.
One of the biggest steps to move towards this goal was introducing women in the workplace. Can't raise a family with one salary and if both partners are working. Working for your husband and children is exploitation but working for mr shekelstein is empowerment. Feminism is a tool for subversion.
Keep in mind they don't have to succeed in one generation. If someone manages to have a family in one generation maybe they will get their children. And if they can't get their children then maybe they will get their children's children. Eventually they will get everyone and no one will be able to have a family. The goal is the destruction of the middle class. Only the elite and peasants who rent services from now on.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think you are just the victim of demoralization propaganda. I only see right-wing loonies like you suggesting not to get married: Youll get divorce-raped, she was blacked, she will be blacked, etc.
Stop blaming everyone and get over your fears.
Until that happens, frick off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I only see right-wing loonies like you suggesting not to get married: Youll get divorce-raped, she was blacked, she will be blacked, etc.
Where did I say any of this? Stop projecting.
I didn't even mention my political allegiance, speaks volumes about your bias. Facts are facts, regardless of the source.
>If there was a live feed of kindergartens on television 24/7 I can guarantee you almost everyone would vote straight far right.
They wouldn't. Anti-racism has essentially become a religion here.
t. an anon from the most cucked yuropoor country
Sweden?
I think most people would. At the end of the day no one wants to be replaced. One thing is what you say in public, another is what you vote in the booth when no one is watching you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Sweden?
lmao, nope, even the swede ended voting for a far right government recently.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because your post is about the boogeyman JOOS.
Why do you fricks act so whiny when you get called out for your beliefs? Like you know your ideology is shameful.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The boogeyman doesn't exist. israelites do. Dumb analogy. >Why do you fricks act so whiny when you get called out for your beliefs?
Because you fricks misrepresnt what people say and believe, as you did with this "boogeyman" narrative or when you said I'm against families.
Lying rat.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Let's be honest here, you'll just find yourselves a new group to blame if you manage to exterminate israelites. It's always easier to pin your problems onto others. And you need to calm down, it's really not helping your case.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The boogeyman doesn't exist. israelites do. Dumb analogy. >Why do you fricks act so whiny when you get called out for your beliefs?
Because you fricks misrepresnt what people say and believe, as you did with this "boogeyman" narrative or when you said I'm against families.
Lying rat.
Can you stop? You're never going to make the other agree with what you're saying, no matter how hard you try, and you're ruining some perfectly good RotK discussion.
11 months ago
Anonymous
sorry, I just can't help myself sometimes lol.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're doing it again. No one said anything about "exterminating israelites".
11 months ago
Anonymous
As if men wanted to work... people only work because they have to, there's nothing empowereing about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>le paper tiger
Brown hands typed this
11 months ago
Anonymous
if you want to play the historical pattern card, fine, I am more than familiar with the dozen or so other times China was on a upward swing then immediately collapsed on itself for a century or two
that is just the way of China
11 months ago
Anonymous
Black person im going to sleep, either poojeets or chinks will dominate this century, and im leaning toward the chineses. Screencap this shit for your grandkids to gawk at.
t. Ray Dalio
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I'm sure the Chinese thought the same thing in the 1800s before some dude starting calling himself the brother of Jesus out of nowhere resulting in 30 million deaths and yet another collapse
face it, China is history's punching bag like Russia
go and sleep on it
It will probably never happen now since I think Capcom has all but considered the Sengoku Basara series dead, but I always wondered how they could handle a Sangoku Basara? Like would their Guan Yu's beard be sentient and he'd use it to grip the Green Dragon Crescent Blade with? Would Zhang Fei be some pretty boy? Would Lu Bu be a literal demon?
Ironically the further Basara went, the less intense and off-the-wall it became.
They started with Tadakatsu being a fricking Gundam and never outdid themselves since.
>failed to take wei eight times despite having the entirety of shu at his beck and call >meanwhile pic related is defending wei successfully every time DESPITE the same kingdom he's working for trying to backstab him constantly
Zhuge liang is a b***h and a hoe
>failed to take wei eight times despite having the entirety of shu at his beck and call
That's not nearly as impressive as it sounds the land that Shu occupied were quite poorer than Wei and Wu's and generally underpopulated.
I remember hearing that Cao Cao back when Guo Jia was still alive he was actually planning on making him his successor mainly because of all his talented subordinates he was the best who was significantly young enough to be a successor.
makes me wonder why anybody bothered with leadership at all when you subordinate would gladly betray you for a bottle of rice wine
like the second leading cause of death in that period, next to disease, was being murdered in your sleep by your own lieutenant because you told him he can't drink on the job
It's a shame China's market is so mobile orientated. Would be nice to get more decent Chinese games set in various historical eras. I'm really sick of Japan, it;s fricking boring in comparison, and western myths are being Americanized so hard it;s crazy. Apparently we had kangs in 12th Century Hungary and shit. It's all shit. I want a good wuxia game.
They killed him for being "rebellious".
Funny thing is that when Jiang Wei stopped using the defensive formations that Wei Yan implemented, which they still used for a while after his death, Wei's invading army rolled right in.
Three Kingdoms is just my comfy era of history. Playing DW2 as a little kid got me interested in reading and over the years I always come back to the games, TV shows, books, etc.
He thought he was smarter than he was, as a governor and minister he was great. As an actual battlefield commander his record is rather poor, he also did some long term damage to the Shu-Han court with his cronyism. While he did get someone truly talented like Fei Yi into a position where he could do something, it cuts both ways because Jiang Wei ended up in a position to ruin the state.
Love seeing idiots talking shit they know nothing about. >is Liu Bei a good guy?
Not entirely but he was indeed quite respectable, that's the reason why so many were willing to follow him even before he had much power. >is he incompetent?
If he was, he would not have built his own kingdom from scratch as a nobody, even luck could not carry you that far. Sun Quan inherited one from his dad. Cao Cao was already in the upper class and working for the empire, but he did build his own kingdom as well, just with way more resource. >is Cao Cao a bad guy?
He did have bad reputation back then, purging cities was probably his biggest war crime, which is also something Liu Bei never did. People like to compare them both and the truth is Liu Bei was indeed more moral. But both were still passable as warlords and human beings, by the standard of that period of course. >how did Shu lose?
Wei had always been the strongest kingdom, even after getting BTFO in Chi Bi, their superiority remained unchallenged. Winning Guan Du was Cao Cao's prime and he deserved that superiority after it. Shu and Wu did have a chance but quite slim, after Liu Bei died, Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei tried but they both had their nemesis at the time, Sima Yi and Deng Ai. Shu and Wu already put up a good fight I would say.
I figured in my Dynasty Warriors FanFiction I'm going to have fist 2 OC viewpoint protagonist have there his first meeting with playable officers for the games in a village with Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong and Xu Shu on there warlord Way to meet the Coalition against Dong Zhuo.
>all the wu/wei wank in this thread
Reminder that pic related would have destroyed them both had that homosexual Liu Shan not gutted his final campaign and surrendered like a b***h.
Honestly he wasn't as competent as Liang, but this man never gave up even AFTER his kingdom was done for. I am sure Bei and Liang would be so proud of him.
They killed him for being "rebellious".
Funny thing is that when Jiang Wei stopped using the defensive formations that Wei Yan implemented, which they still used for a while after his death, Wei's invading army rolled right in.
I love games and stories set in other cultures, they're always so mystical and shit. I blame disney for me growing up with Pocahontas, Aladdin, Mulan, and Hercules, as a kid I always loved seeing how other people so far away from me through space or time lived and had their own adventures. But nowadays you can't really do any of that or else its "pandering" and "political". Maybe I was just a kid and thus didn't see any outcry from those movies not being about modern white christian men, but I wish we could go back to a time where games could be set in foreign lands like Prince of Persia and still be critically acclaimed instead of just being called [current political opposition] and shitposted to death. Total War Three Kingdoms was literally my dream come true and politics killed it.
>Childhood
DO NOT PURSUE
omg oath of the peach garden
cao cao is literally hitler >Adulthood
Cao Cao is the one who deserves to rule
Zhang Liao is the GOAT
I know they probably don't want to put awful characters in the main factions, but I wonder if they'll get the batshit crazy Sun Quan's sons that basically made the kingdom implode from the inside in there eventually, maybe in the "other" sections.
6 was awful. It sucks, because it has a few good ideas (several optional objectives each map, using a special attack to defeat ennemy officers bring more EXP) and the Lu Bu campaign is actually hilarious, but other than that, the system really sucks and once you start exploring the Free Mode you realize most characters are cloned from each other.
6 homogenized the style into generic anime boys where everybody both looked and played the same, that's why its hated. >but everybody was already very anime
So imagine just how hard 6 homogenized stuff that it got that reaction.
I have a soft spot for 6 because it actually felt like a natural extension to 5 from what I remember when I played it. Combat-wise it's kinda bunk yes and the cloned characters are gay but I don't know it's just the feel of it made sense going from the PS2 games to 6 specifically that is just not present from 7 onwards. Starting from 7 everyone just started shooting out tornadoes and laser beams out of their asses instead of just the mystical strategists and it just came off as bombastic and a bit too crazy.
8 was when it seemed like they finally got it right with weapons. Everyone had their own moves, the newer characters had extensions to their weapons (Ding Feng's hoop can do extra attacks if you time it right, Yue Jin can cancel combos with a back-lit, Guan Yinping's weights increase potency the longer you spin it), the DLC weapons also followed suit like Sun Quan having a flame sword that gets more powerful the longer he keeps moving and not stop. Instead of scrapping all that in 9 they should had hard that as the foundation and built on it.
And get rid of the weapons swapping for all characters. It has never been a good implementation since all it did was give the characters someone else's weapon but not that characters' EX attacks.
>Zhuge Liang was an awful strategist
Romance likes to paint him as this mary sue that can do everything besides fight but the truth of the matter was he was an awful strategist but a competent advisor given how awful Liu Bei was at leading. He had to compete with actual brilliant strategists like Jia Xu, Sima Yi, Zhang Liao, Lu Meng and Zhou Yu and Shu was severely lacking in that aspect. >Liu Bei was a moron
Out of all the places to live during the kingdoms of Wei, Wu and Shu's lifetime even before they became as big as they did, Liu Beis territories were outright the worst to live in as a peasant because he couldnt manage funds because he grew up as a poorgay. He would shower his generals with money and riches so much his treasury was often empty, ehich in turn led to taxing peasants hard. When Zhuge Liang came to Liu Bei (not the other way around like in Romance) he essentially had to fix a lot of Liu Beis mistakes of mishandling money and resources which persisted beyond his death and troubled his son, Liu Shan. >Awful people to work around
Romance really likes to paint Shu's generals as being the best of the best but historically out of the 5 Tiger Generals, only Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun (shockingly) were ever consistently on their A-game. Guan Yu was a piss poor commander and too arrogant, Zhang Fei was an abusive alcoholic who acted more like a bandit and Ma Chao was a bigger traitorous frick than Lu Bu that raped and pillaged his own people harder than Romance Lu Bu, even allowing his father to die due to his own moronic reasoning. By the time Zhuge Liang came in Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun were already out the door in terms of age, he essentially had very little good support to help him out but he at least fixed some of the bigger issues like rewarding Liu Beis friends too much for doing jackshit.
>literally everyone at the time and the dynasties after sucked Guan and Zhang's wieners >guy in 2023 "nah they had these flaws so they sucked actually"
>fell for Chink propaganda written by a Shu-Han sympathizer >actual Records of the Three Kingdoms (The Sanguozhi) shows the actual truth of what happened due to China's autism to write everything down
Not my fault you are an illiterate, easily brainwashed moron.
Even outside of RotK they were praised as the greatest at the time, by friends and foes.
Yeah sure Guan didnt become a God until a fanboy emperor much later but they were always highly respected.
Romance continues to influence peoples way of thinking even now, Guan Yu was a competent and powerful warrior but so were many others, the main focus is how Shu-Han failed and part of it is because Guan Yu was not known to be good at everything that was related to Empire building. He was a soldier that relied on his brute strength and luckily he had a lot of it but he was never good at leading, not a strategist and not even a good administrator.
Guan Yu was a highly skilled soldier and extremely loyal, but an administrator and a strategist he was not, overall he does share some blame, but it does get overblown since Wu allowed them to have that land in the first place, they got most of it back, then launched a false flag to obtain the rest of it.
Not even shitting on Wu, it's a genius maneuver, Liu Bei was getting too strong and something had to be done, people are just insistent on being tribalistic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Sun Quan: hey can my son marry your daughter so we can have a good diplomatic rela- >Guan Yu: *AUTISTIC SCREECHING*
I just think Guan Yu is overrated and will always point out his faults. The territories that Wu had given Liu Bei were actually some of the worst lands to live in at the time. Not to mention the Nanban campaigns werent as successful as people think they were. The territory of Shu-Han was constantly in turmoil and the one praise I will give Zhuge Liang (who I also treat like Guan Yu) is he managed to keep such a dysfunctional land together. But the lands of Shu-Han were not anything to brag about.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>hey can you send us your daughter as hostage
Sun Quan was always a Black person
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's not very benevolent of Guan Yu. He should have learned from his older brother and make a new daughter if anything happened to his current daughter.
RotK was written by a Shu-Han sympathiser from centuries later to make a good story, but Records were written by a Shu-Han sympathiser (forced to write official Wei narrative) right after the fact.
You can't treat the things written there as stone-cold facts, either.
Its a cultural thing, whereas a Westerner can look at them in a more objective light and see they had flaws, in China these are people seeped in an oral tradition of being upstanding Confucian ideals and some being seen as deities because their novel counterparts exemplified a set of ideals they themselves historically might not have had anything to do with.
>Westerner can look at them in a more objective light and see they had flaws
I don't know man, from what I have seen in this thread people know little about the story but still talk shit like they expertise in this subject.
>When Zhuge Liang came to Liu Bei (not the other way around like in Romance)
Kek, wish you had said that right at the start so I didn't need to bother taking you seriously. Liang literally mentioned three visits in Chu Shi Biao. >Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun (shockingly) were ever consistently on their A-game
Don't know where you got your material but Guan and Zhang were always two of the highest regraded generals. Zhao and Huang were not that impressive despite being decent still.
>doesnt know about the annotations in the Records of The Three Kingdoms that disprove this fictional event to make Zhuge Liang look even more impressive. >Chen Shou (the guy who wrote biographies related to Shu generals): "Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun were fierce and mighty warriors, just like claws and teeth. Were they the successors to Guan (Xing) and Teng (Xiahou Ying)?" >also Chen Shou: "However, Guan Yu was unyielding and overly self-respect, whereas Zhang Fei was hot-tempered and without kindness, their short-comings leading to their defeats. This is common logic indeed."
Good to know you have 0 knowledge of actual written history, The Sanguozhi
By sitting the frick down and watching it. alternatively play a Dynasty Warriors game first so you can at least hear some of these names and know some superficial shit about them, preferrably 7 for the best story focus but 8 is fine too, avoid 9 like the plague.
Therein was his downfall. He had the mental strength to endure scorn, but most people like to be seen as good guys even if they are starving civilians to death "for a good cause". By dispensing with the pretenses of goodness and not ensuring that he is surrounded by equally strong-willed allies, he ensured his eventual defeat at the hands of those that would sell belief of moral superiority to the weakminded.
>most of my life was convinced he was an overrated romance gayfiction character with no relevance >read up on the stuff said about him in The Records of Three Kingdoms. >turns out he was actually one of the most competent warriors, outsmarted Cao Cao and his forces with the empty castle strategy, stole Cao Caos precious and famous Blue Blade >died of old age because he kept surviving everything thrown at him
Based. Deserves to fertilize both the DW version of Guan Yinping and Xingcai.
the Romance of the Three Kingdoms is fanfiction though, a collection of stories and myths, and taking the military accomplishments of Hu Ji and attributing them to Zhao Yun.
What are your thoughts on Puzzle & Dragons's renditions of Lu Bu? Keep in mind, some of the art is almost a decade old now. The last pic is animated: https://pad.chesterip.cc/8459/
Why do they have such crazy outfits in modern media? Do we actually have primary sources describing or showing them in these clown outfits, or is it just "romantic" inventions of later historians?
Some examples of overrated and underrated people during the 3K period >overrated as frick
Guan Yu (horrible commander and leader)
Zhang Fei (a drunkard and a bandit)
Zhuge Liang (awful strategist and unsuccessful at expansion)
Xiahou Dun (constant jobber, rarely won when he commanded)
Lu Bu (acted like a woman, indecisive and paranoid)
Ma Chao (disgraceful and unsuccessful, led to the death of his people)
Guo Jia (died to heatstroke before showing his worth as a strategist) >underrated as frick
Zhang Liao (Cavalry General for Lu Bu, diplomatic genius, defended Hefei on his deathbed as a strategist from Sun Quans main forces)
Cao Ren (initially a moron, decided to read and study to become intelligent, evrntually became a wise and intelligent general with much experience on multiple battlefields)
Lu Meng (the main Wu general who captured The Jing province, also had more victories under his belt than Zhou Yu)
Xu Rong (Dong Zhuos most competent general, beat the Coalition back which was mainly just Cao Cao and Sun Jians forces without breaking much a sweat, almost killed Cao Cao and Sun Jian as well)
Gao Shun (on par with Zhang Liao, was extremely loyal, led The Camp Crushers into many victories against Cao Cao and was smart enough to realize they were going to lose eventually but followed Lu Bu into death due to loyalty)
Jia Xu (romance Zhuge Liang in real life, managed to help a small warlord beat Cao Cao then eventually worked for Cao Cao, all his advice was great, strategical genius and an excellent advisor)
Gongsun Zan (extremely competent as a general, defended China from barbarians, became famed for his white horse riding generals that any white horse would scare people that Gongsun Zan was nearby.)
Xiahou Dun was a fantastic administrator and a loyal friend with that said, not to mention he recruited several important figures early on, he wasn't a god on the battlefield but he deserves respect even if it's not for what you'd think it would be.
also what the frick universe is Zhang Liao underrated? dude you are on some opium harder then the chinese population.
If you mean underrated in the way they are depicted in games compared to what they actually did, this fricker right here basically carried Wei on his back in its later years campaign against Shu.
even then it doesn't make sense then DW has been pushing Lu Meng and Zhang Liao for ages now, hell they have Zhang Liao solo the entirety of Shu in a DW7 stage
If they ever let us have a polygamist relationship in Dynasty Warriors I vote
Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang and her daughter who I think was invented originally from a screenplay.
I want Zhenji to step on me.
I want to have Xiaoqiao hold Daqiao's head and force her to blow me.
I want to call Lianshi "mommy" in front of my actual mom.
I want Xingcai to peg me.
I want Bao away.
I want to call Zhang Chunhua "great mommy" in front of my grandmother's grave.
I want to frick Wang Yi while doing neighing noises.
I want to hold hands with Wang Yuanji.
One of the things I check to gauge how much interest an entry has from people is how much "art" of the ladies there are. Naotora Ii as soon as she was added to the roster had quite a few material. I've honestly seen frick all of Mitsuki from SW5 so that led me to believe interest in 5 died off fast.
What are some good to read online or watch on YouTube for free If you plan on making a Dynasty Warriors fanfiction?
And how exactly did we get on the topic of white wig left wig racism propaganda slavery were talking about an entirely aged baby China series of events with only one possibly not Asian provided individual(I heard a feeling that historical Yueying might have been White because of the contradictory nature of her appearance when described)
If you wanna try the oldschool one, you can go with 3 or 5. You'll probably need an emulator with some upscaling options to make it watchable though.
Otherwise, 8 is extremely solid.
As for RotK, I only played 10 and 11. 10 was a bit confusing tbh, and I never really tried too hard to be good at it. But 11 is a really solid TBS game and can keep you occupied for some time. No idea how the new ones are, I wasn't hearing the greatest things about 12 back then.
Some stuff in Europe, maybe. I thought the setting in Bladestorm was good, but it wasn't really a Musou per se, and it's unplayable today.
I would love to see Japan's take on the Thirty Years War, since that shit was quite crazy. Started from protestants throwing out Christians out of the window, and ended up with the Spanish army fighting off the Swedish troops in Alsace.
I don't see how they can do Meng Huo and Zhurong daughter unless they acknowledge a bunch of these guys have multiple wives in the game. Her fiance is already shipped with someone else in the game.See
If they ever let us have a polygamist relationship in Dynasty Warriors I vote
Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang and her daughter who I think was invented originally from a screenplay.
A few of them have been in the games for a fricking long time, and it's quite a mystery why Koei hasn't made them unique yet.
Cheng Yu is one of Cao Cao's early strategist, I think.
Cao Zhi is one of Cao Cao's son that was in direct concurrence with Cao Pi.
Liao Hua is one of Shu's officers that stayed there for the longest time (though he didn't really do much, it's still better than donut steel OC from RotK fanfiction like the Guan sons or Bao)
Zhu Zhi is also a pretty important Wu general. Similar to Cheng Pu and Dan Heng, he really should have been one of the first Wu general to actually be made unique.
I disagree with Zhu Zhi because he was pretty important for negotiating and subduing the local Wu tribes and was around forever, but in terms of accomplishments and personality he's very much lower then the other old farts that got in, right now the main reason to put him in would be "well the other oldies are in" and "being the father of Zhu Ran who is in too" which works, but is a tad weaker.
give me Bianshi, Cheng Yu, Liao Hua, Jian Yong, everyone from Wu except Zhu Zhi, Yang Hu, Chen Tai, and Shen Pei. I can elaborate on my answers for yes and no.
, couldn't you say the same exact thing for Liao Hua?
Up to DW7, I'd agree that not all characters deserve to be made unique, but considering Koei is pulling shit from their ass (like how NONE of the main games addition for Shu were good in 7 and 8, and the only saving graces came from characters added in the X-Treme or Empires versions like Xu Shu and Fa Zheng), I'd just rather take these.
I could, but Liao Hua does have a tad more to work with, since he has the fictional novel stuff of being an ex yellow turban, which they could use for further options regarding what they could do with him, so overall he's just way more flexible with what Koei would do with him, Zhu Zhi can very well get in, but he's not someone I'd care about getting in since I'm not sure what he'd be bringing to the old vet dynamic (hell he could be worse then what they did with Han Dang) and Zhu Ran is rather underused as a character to start with, so unless they decide to apply more focus on Zhu Ran, it might feel like one of those adds that doesn't do much. I will agree that there have been some pretty stinky ads that I disagree with before, but that doesn't change my thoughts overall.
but like the Main Advantage Liao Hua has is that you could have him appear all the time, that is not something that you can say about any other character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's fair. I actually wish they could expand a little bit on the Yellow Turbans, kinda like they did with Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu. Now obviously, you can't give them too much "good" stuff, but the rest of the Jiao brothers and the characters that started as Yellow Turbans like Xu Huang could make for a somewhat decent campaign.
But yeah, Wu characters are always going to be a problem the more the game progresses with the storyline, since late Wu is such a shitshow.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Late Wu would be rough because a lot of it is internal politics, and really ugly infighting that is mostly done by factions that revolve around family members fighting eachother.
they have seemed willing to explore that a little bit with various NPC's, they gave Sun Jun and Sun Chen models in one of the DW7E DLC's for example, not to mention Sun Quan and Lianshi's daughter plays a very important role, and since they did put in Dong Bai, they might warm up to the idea of putting in another straight up evil woman in the game.
but I will say if anything, Wu needs more late ads then early ads, Zhuge Jin kinda works as one since he lives long and is related to zhuge liang and zhuge dan, Sun Jian's wife is self explanatory, I am biased towards Zhu Huan because he's an absolute mad lad and the prime example of how trash of a person you could be and still be kept around by Sun Quan, and Xushi's story is just badass. With that said again I'd rather have late Wu character's like Lu Kang and Sun Luban.
So it's just a bunch of lesser known characters with little to no achievements?
I feel like they have enough characters already. They just need to make the games fun again.
give me Bianshi, Cheng Yu, Liao Hua, Jian Yong, everyone from Wu except Zhu Zhi, Yang Hu, Chen Tai, and Shen Pei. I can elaborate on my answers for yes and no.
I think Zhang Xiu needs to be an addition, the guy had a long and interesting career. He also wasn’t a cowardly pushover like his generic appearances would lead people to believe.
Wang Ling would be an interesting add for Wei. Was related to Wang Yun so he would have an early appearance aiding Diao Chan in playing Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo off each other, then defected to Wei and served in their army for quite some time, married Guo Huai's sister, eventually killed with Zhuge Dan's failed rebellion.
I don't know shit about the Three Kingdoms besides playing some Dynasty Warriors at my cousin's place when I was a kid.
What's the best way to get into this stuff? I know there's that TV show people keep posting clips from, which one is that and should I watch it? Any decent documentary series?
Do any of the DW games have Chinese voice acting? I don't think I could get into the series by playing the older games with shitty En*lish VAs going "Cow Cow".
>I know there's that TV show people keep posting clips from, which one is that and should I watch it?
It's Three Kingdoms from 2010. There's a torrent on nyaa and it's also on youtube, but with a lower quality. Worth watching if you have the time for 95 episodes, 45 minutes each.
9 does have CN voice acting.
Not sure it's worth playing for this.
You can always play the others ones with the Japanese voices, but yeah, don't expect to recognize any names here.
Saying this here often does rustle some jimmies, but A LOT of the Musou fanbase are fujos. Thus the hard bishonenification of the characters starting from 6 onwards. With the exception of a few characters (like Dong Zhuo, or the really really old guys like Huang Zhong, and even then, Cheng Pu's pretty sexy), don't expect any unattractive (or even generic-looking) males to pop up.
How come ancient and middle age chinese shit is so cool? Its amazing how entertaining 3 Kingdoms and shit like Water Margin are.
Why the hell does modern china feel like a cultural void in comparison?
Well most of the worthwhile literature in the west was written in the span of 200-300 years starting from the 18th century or so. And countries like nipland and kimchiland have way less ancient history than china but are cultural powerhouses these days.
It's true that Korea is a cultural powerhouse now, but does that really mean much when it's for shit that's even more soulless than the Chinese gacha games anons have been complaining about in this thread?
I think China will become great again. Unlike the "west", they're not permanently destroying themselves with dindu mass immigration. East Asian countries are reasonably likely to save themselves by revoking women's rights, which the "west" is absolutely unwilling to do because of their ideology.
Probably. China's got a long history of becoming great and then falling miserably every couple of centuries. Makes sense they'd keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Industrial and Information Revolutions were too great to assume it will just be cyclical again, though I could be wrong.
I see China following Japan's model of plateauing since they already have the bubble and the demographic troubles.
No idea how the west will turn out though, they're a bit far removed from me.
Do you think the west is too far gone? I think the foundation of theirs is still pretty damn good and still the best the world has seen, I haven't really seen parallels of the institutions and ideas that "sanctified" (idk if that's the right word to use for the nuance) things like liberty and the importance of the individual in the east. Confucianism just feels so paternalistic and inflexible, and I have to admit I don't really understand Buddhist thought all too well yet, but on the surface it seems way too concerned with transcendence to be effectively immanent (unless you're thinking about based Nichiren).
NTA but going by the pareto principle, as long as at least 20% of the population is willing and able to work hard for the rest of society, it will survive.
The issue is that literally everything is trying to turn people into brainless consumer with no ambitions.
Japan/China/Korea are also consumer countries mind you, but they somehow still manage to work hard since they are famous for having notoriously bad work culture with massive amount of (technically illegal) unpaid overtime work.
>Do you think the west is too far gone?
Not every western country, but places like France and UK, yeah probably. Their under-20 demographics are like half Africa and Middle East now, and this transformation only took a few decades to happen. They'll be South Africa tier dumpsters pretty soon.
well yeah, SK is an amerimutt vassal
but other Asian countries might still be able to stop feminism from ruining them
China could crack down on it, because they don't have to care so much about the resulting westoid seethe. Even Japan has a chance if they kick out the amerimutt influence, which isn't happening yet but it's not too late for them.
It was the style at the time.
I used to hate them too but kinda miss them now that they're gone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I need to see the LEGS, man
LEGGA
11 months ago
Anonymous
I need to see the LEGS, man
LEGGA
>Can't appreciate socks
Pathetic, you are not a real legs man.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no, moron
1 - these ugly-ass cumbersome things change the shape of the legs, obscuring them, if they were tight, I wouldn't even say shit, it looks horrible, like some kind of shitty hooves
2 - these aren't socks
3 - if you like these things, you're not a leg man, you're a """"sock""" (whatever these things are) man
11 months ago
Anonymous
>if they were tight
Ah, never mind, an american.
11 months ago
Anonymous
leg warmers are hot and you are gay
11 months ago
Anonymous
leg warmers are gay and you are hot (temperature-wise) because you're wearing leg warmers in summer
also, you're gay because you're wearing leg warmers
For me the show lost steam once Cao Cao died (or was it Liu Bei?) Which ever died last. I watched a bunch of episodes after but i wasn't feeling it anymore. Up til then it was great though. I might have appreciated it even ore if i actually played Dynasty Warriors
Disagree since it was still good after that if only for more historical storytelling and Reuenthal. It only becomes a slog in the final 5 or maybe 10 episodes where the story just NEEDS Julian to fight Reinhardt. By that point you already knew what was going to happen and all the events felt matter of factly. Especially since Reuenthal was kill so the conflict felt weak.
I think the 2010 series did a good job introducing new interesting characters. Even after Cao Cao and Liu Bei died, there was Cao Pi and the rivarly between Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang.
ancient chinese pandemic causing uncontrollable spitting of blood
>Loses to fricking rain
If that's not a sign of a literal deus ex machina and that you are not going to be the ruler then I don't know what is
>Best shota killed
Its not fair bros
I loved this series, it never stopped being hilarious to me how every character was dramatically spitting buckets of blood whenever they were about to lose or were humiliated somehow.
Looks rapeable. Source?
Do not but Koukyuu No Karasu
>those pretty boys
this is some fujo shit, isn't it?
no fujo
It's josei.
He died from being old as shit.
You can't win when you don't exist anymore.
He was surrounded by idiots. That includes Liu bei and guan yu.
He followed right guy but that right guy had terrible companions
>Talking shit on guan Yu
How was he an idiot? Liu bei was for sure, guan Yu was not.
homie was literally walking brick.
yeah? well who got ambushed and decapitated like an idiot??
he got killed embarrassingly by trying to betray his Wu allies
He followed Liu bei
Guan Yu was an infamous bloated egotist who believed his own hype, taking a stupid spear head position geographically between Wu and Wei at Fan castle. As you can imagine they absolutely demolished him and his men for being so fricking stupid and ignorant of their situation through a political pincer attack to finally expunge him from history.
Practically every single member of his family was murdered except for his youngest son Xing, who went on to do absolutely nothing of note whatsoever.
>to finally expunge him from history
well this failed
>chinks glorify morons
More news at 11
Why are you calling me a moron?
something about jing province and how lu meng did nothing wrong
Guan Yu is revered as someone who shows steadfast loyalty and respect to his brothers. Unfortunately for him this did not extend to the officers serving under him, which led to them screwing him over at Fan Castle.
It's actually a pretty similar scenario with Zhang Fei.
If Shu's downfall can be traced back to one misstep, it would probably be the Jing incident, which was caused by GY's unparalleled arrogance and autism.
god they need to bring back his sword. It's just not the same with the bo staff.
Zhou Yu literally warned Sun Quan about Liu Bei's potential(and he was right). But Lu Su and Sun Quan both wanted Liu Bei to remain a threat to Cao Cao, so they let him have Jing(which was a right call). Sun Quan was just a b***h that freaked out after Liu Bei got Yi and Hanzhong and decided to backstab Guan Yu because Wu was gonna become the weakest of the three kingdoms. Guan Yu's attack on Wei went so well that Cao Cao was scared enough to consider moving his capital.
It's too bad Zhou Yu died young cause boy did Wu needed his insights. Dude actually had a plan back to reduce Liu Bei's influence and predicted a few major events like Yuan Shu being a psycho, Ma Chao being a treacherous dick along a few others. Dude was on the pulse of what was happening and had great foresight.
Sun Quan freaked out after Liu Bei conquered Yi because Liu Bei blocked Sun Quan from doing that very thing using some excuse about protecting his kinsmen Liu Zhang which is a flat out lie because Liu Bei had no proof he was a descendant of the Han emperors. Guan Yu fricked over Wu first, not Sun Quan just being an uppity gay. Guan Yu personally insulted Sun Quan, and the generals of Wu, then he raided a Wu supply depot to feed his campaign against Cao Ren. In short, Guan Yu played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
for all the shitflinging about "muh benevolence" and "muh ambition" the Wu were the peak morons of the era. literally just Jian was worth a shit and he dies at the start.
Sun Ce did more than either his father or brother did in just a few short years. Shame about getting ambushed and mortally wounded before he picked up any further momentum.
he was a fricking moron tho. twice as bright half as long makes for a fun story but it's a cautionary tale.
Words of truth.
>Zhuge liang: Guan yu, bro, my dude. We can beat Wei and we need to go conquer the west but we just need one thing from you. Keep Jing and don't antagonist Wu
>Wu: Yo, we had some bad blood about that whole jing thing. How about we make happy and marry our kids into each other families
>Guan yu: YOU THINK I'LL MARRY MY DAUGHTER TO SOME FISHFRICKER? LMAO FRICK YOU. YOUR LEADER LOOKS LIKE A FORIEGNER.
>Ok now I've pissed wu off and made them liable to backstab us, I'm going to leave jing completely undefended to attack Wei, despite being told strict orders to just defend.
Guan yu was a moron. The second Liu bei wasn't around to keep him and zhang fei on a tight leash they both fricked up and got killed.
>tried to attack Wei
>got a new butthole opened by Zhang Liao
>Guan Yu made some progress
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT YOU JUST CANT
>Agree to do a collaborative war effort to beat caocao
>Shu give like a few troops and officers and pretend like they are helping
>While Wu is doing the bulk of the fighting Liu bei leads his troops to just conqure an entire county
>Wu win a bloody fight and... get nothing from it while Shu get a fat chunk of land
Wu was nothing but the butt of jokes in general. After Sun Ce died they never really conquered any new land until they got mopped up by Jin 80 years later.
>How was he an idiot? Liu bei was for sure, guan Yu was not.
Historically, Liu Bei and Zhang Fei was the big brain military guys of Shu for the most part(Fa Zheng was ). Half of the stuff Zhuge got credited with in the novel was stuff Liu or Zhang.
Kinda funny how the book also uses Zhang Fei as a scapegoat for Liu's less virtuous behaviour at times.
Example...
Romance version:
>A commandery-level inspector is sent to survey Liu Bei's county after Liu Bei is appointed as a county prefect as a reward for helping to suppress the Yellow Turban Rebellion. The inspector hints to Liu Bei that he wants a bribe, but Liu Bei does not understand the inspector's point. Later, even after his assistant explains to him, Liu Bei still refuses to bribe the inspector. When the inspector is unable to find any fault with Liu Bei's administration, he attempts to intimidate the locals into making false accusations against Liu Bei. Zhang Fei is furious when he hears about this and he barges into the county office, drags the inspector out, ties him to a post and gives him a severe thrashing. Liu Bei shows up and stops Zhang Fei. When Guan Yu suggests they kill the inspector and seek their fortune elsewhere, Liu Bei refuses, resigns and returns his official seal to the inspector before leaving.
Historical:
>Liu Bei was the one who beat up the inspector. The Han central government had issued an imperial edict to dismiss all officials who received their appointments as rewards for their contributions in battle. Liu Bei knew that he was one of such officials. When a commandery-level inspector was sent to the county to formally dismiss him, Liu Bei sought a private meeting with the inspector. However, the inspector claimed that he was ill and refused to meet Liu Bei. An angry Liu Bei then gathered his men, barged into the inspector's quarters, and falsely announced that he had received a secret order from the commandery administrator to arrest the inspector. He tied the inspector to a tree, took out his official seal and hung it on the inspector's neck, and flogged the inspector over 100 times. He wanted to kill the inspector but eventually released him when the latter pleaded for mercy. He went on the run after that.
GUAN YU WAS A GLORIFIED BANDIT KING WHO TOOK AN OATH WITH A RICE LORD AND AN ACTUAL BRIGAND TO UNIFY CHINA AND WREST ITS LAND FROM THE TYRANNICAL ZHUO DYNASTY.
THE GOD OF WAR.
THE FRICKING PIECE OF SHIT.
Top kek, might be one of the most moronic figures of that age
Its his fault for following these 3 morons. The big bro is a pussy who always talks about being a good goy to a dying bloodline. Guan Yu was a moronic megalomaniac who fricked shit up, should've been on a leash. Fat dude was a true moron who fricked shit up the most.
Should ve stayed Wo Long instead.
partied too much
By being not as good as Shu homosexuals make him out to be
I mean that just Shu in a whole nut shell.
Romance of the Three Kingdoms, true to its name, romanced the hell out of Shu. When in truth it was a shit kingdom that didn't know when to give up.
Rain allergy
The very heavens turned its back on him
Put too much stock in a failure like Liu Bei and did what he could to salvage Shu before passing.
he went against the mighty and cunning Cao Cao
it was over before it even begun
Outlived his dead ass
I like how Shu is portrayed as holier than thou yet they were the number 1 backstabbers of the era. Did they not betray anyone they allied with? Even Lu Bu wasn't this bad when he was the one made fun of for this
RotTK is just Shu propaganda, everyone knows Wei was simply just superior.
>Lu Bu
SIR!
SIR!
DO NOT!
DO NOT BETRAY SIR DO NOT BETRAY
He was never as brilliant as the legends pretend
>m-muh empty fort
Frick off.
Dynasty Warriors 10 when?
I don't know. But weren't 9 and 9Empires received very poorly compared to previous titles?
9 had significantly worse review scores than previous titles, and for good reason but I think it still ultimately had more sales than either 7 or 8 did.
They should just start experimenting with using wo long as a temlate
In novel, because Wei had Sima Yi
Historically, because he was more of an administration master than a military one and Wei had Cao Zhen.
>Wei had Cao Zhen
How is he related to the playable members of his clan?
>Historically
lol. lmao.
Yes, historically he was not military trained at all.
LiuBei is a fricking rat, even shu propaganda doesn't make him look good LMAO
Uh no... It was totally benevolent when he threw his baby on the floor.
YEEEET
What the frick was his problem?
He had the motif of a bug and he was practically a wild animal he was a badass animal but he was practically a wild animal.
Didn't listen to his amazing and perfect strategist's marvellous plans.
Pepsi
indeed
thought he could backstab every single person he allied or served under with no repercussions
woman. literally
shu propaganda
Is everything Shu propaganda?
YES, and I am totally not a wei scholar
People tried to pursue him.
Historically Lu Bu was a phenomenal soldier and duelist but got too big for his breeches and thought he'd just backstab his way to the top, Cao Cao waited for him to drink himself into a stupor and then slipped in and tied him up
DW10 fricking when?
Not until the ps6 is announced.
For a series like DW I think this would be one of the few times where a release character DLC by DLC might actually be the best way to go.
You first take the early part of the 3K story, maybe up to removing Dong Zhuo from power, have only the characters that would be around and adults at that time (so in this case liu bei and his brothers, cao cao and his cousins, Sun Jian and the old veteran guards, Zhang Jiao, etc etc) With these smaller cast you make each of them play differently, flesh out their unique weapons and movesets, develop multiple big and detailed stages and have the campaign be around all of this. Release that on a cheaper price. Now after release if the reception is bad and sales are bad, you cut your losses and stop development. But, if sales are decent and interest is remaining good, then you start work on characters that began their service in the era afterwards and do the same cycle, and repeat until you get to the last year's of the period with the last batch of characters. Because right now it's evident to me that having so many characters now and trying to shoehorn all of them into the campaign that stretches from the yellow turbans to the end of Shu and Wu, it's just causing the deva to half ass everything, giving a bunch of characters cloned movesets, have some characters appear once in campaign and never seen again etc.
They tried with SW5 and it bombed.
I thought that sales of SW5 were good but they for some reason didn't capitalise with more DLC?
They said from the start there was never going to be DLC, people using the lack of DLC in SW5 as evidence of it's faliure when it sold iirc 420k copies
Overworked himself to death quite literally at Wuzhang Plains at 53 years of age.
>Wuzhang Plains
Is that where Wuzhang Vong came from?
Wrong board
butthole
Did Cao Pi actually poison Cao Chong or was that Shu propaganda?
I'm fricking ready for DW10.
Bring back classic formula.
With modern graphics.
With ass jiggle for girls and Zhang He.
I don't mind smaller roster as long as there are no clones.
NO CELL SHADING. NO ANIME. SW 5 visuals fricking sucked holy shit.
I always assumed Cao Cao was the bad guy and Zughe Liang and Liu Bei were the good guys from watching Red Cliff and the first episodes of RottK.
Was I wrong?
All of them committed war crimes and slaughtered women and children. I wouldn't call any of them good guys. They were chinese, they had no souls.
>women and children
You said it yourself, they were chinese
>slaughtering men who don't even want to be there en masse is fine
>but slaughtering women and children is always muh war crime
I will never understand normalgays for thinking this way.
Why do people seem to have this hatred of calling attacking and killing men and women war crimes? it's not like you can just go to a foreign armies military headquarter attacked them and not be guilty at work on hashtag Russia and attacking a killing clear civilian targets is unacceptable regardless if they are women children or adult men who are clearly unarmed.
Just moralgays being moralgays, despite also having slaughtered women and children in their wars, kek.
yes
I'm ready to die instantly.
Release me.
Please be true.
Cao Cao for quite some time had been vilified. Looking at things in a modern perspective more and more people are coming to the realisation that he was the best chance for the country's stability and handled his kingdom a lot better than the other 2.
He had the most "Do what needs to be done for long term peace" attitude.
>He had the most "Do what needs to be done for long term peace" attitude.
he didn't have shit
he just wanted it all
>long term peace
>kingdom gets taken over from the inside within two generations and afterwards falls to barbarians
gg cow cow
They were all warlords vying for power and land.
Cao cao was definitely more ruthless though. It's like saying Russia is the same as the US just with a different method of imperialism.
If you consider revanchism a different method, then yes.
That would be completely accurate.
>It's like saying Russia is the same as the US just with a different method of imperialism.
Yes, yes it is.
Yes and no. It was a period of war so you do whatever to win.
Cao Cao did purge a few cities for little reasons and Liu Bei is generally a just warlord, for the time anyway.
Liu Bei's claim was about as strong as a random asian saying he's the heir to Genghis Khan and should rule Mongolia. He was the biggest warlord of them all if we're talking about the definition of the word.
All of them were buttholes. Cao Cao was just based enough to own up to it
This is relativist bullshit. No wonder China is in the state it is today. Chinks truly reselble israelites in certain regards, for example their post modernist pilpul and trying to frick you over evrey single time in business and infiltrating foreign countries with their agents.
To be fair its not just a China think, in East Asia it's a popular archetype for a villain based off historical figures who were all about not following rigid social systems. Cao Cao, Nobunaga, Genghis Khan, etc.
>moronic ranting
You and your people and your politicians let this happens. Dont blame the chinks, blame yourself and your failed state. Also remember to blame israelites and Black folk too. When you come to work remember to salute the rainbow and bow down to blackedrock and vanguard
What the frick are you talking about? China is even more corrupt, the only difference is that they're all Chinese. For now, anyway.
The point is that Chinese (and the israelites) know very well what is good and what is bad, they simply pretend there's no good or bad to frick you over.
>it was true in my mind
>I don't feel bad because if I didn't do it someone else would have done it, it's like the market
Literally said by Soros about his collaboration with the Nazis, by the way.
China is only more corrupt because they didn't legalize the entire process of lobbying like the US.
Right, if lobbying was legalized clearly the buildings would stop falling on themselves.
Just like how the US Highway would stop collapsing on itself, amirite?
That's because diversity hires built it. Also stop comparing 1 thing against 100. It's like when China says that blacks in the US suffer racism when people point out their concentration camps lol. It's pathetic and someone with more than 2 brain cells can see through it.
>That's because diversity hires built it.
The frick are you talking about moron? Those were built DECADES ago. The problem is a lack of maintenance. Also those diversity hires will replace you, funny enough.
I'm European...
Why are you reveling in it? Are you of those ride the tiger morons?
>I'm European...
Okay, then you're getting replaced by somalians, same thing.
Everyone is getting replaced. Why does it give you such a hard on, are you israeli?
fricking kek, well it's definitely making me laugh. And yes of course I'm israeli, why the hell wouldn't I be :^). Anyone giving you a hard time is automatically a israelite, right?
Anyone laughing about someone else's genocide is definitely a israelite.
Bit of an exaggeration there, kek.
Have you ever been to a kindergarten or primary school in any Western country? Clearly not.
If there was a live feed of kindergartens on television 24/7 I can guarantee you almost everyone would vote straight far right.
how is that genocide
>If there was a live feed of kindergartens on television 24/7 I can guarantee you almost everyone would vote straight far right.
They wouldn't. Anti-racism has essentially become a religion here.
t. an anon from the most cucked yuropoor country
Why the hell would you think that most of the people who laugh about genocides are laughing out of israeli genocides tried to tell people don't believe it they control the media I'm smarter than every historian because I'm not in the pockets of acceptable israeliteett standards. And so normal healthy individuals laugh at those people.
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED!!!
>>Da israelitews!!
Whites are the biggest collaborator and abettors of israelites, Israel exists today because of angloids. They're your biggest ally, yet morons like yourself think whites are the good guys. Whites are such slaves to israelites, israelites really are far superior to whites. It's whites destiny to be the eternal slave of israelites. Keep seething about china, won't change the fact that your nation is governed by israelites
Okay rabbi.
How do we know this judge was actually israeli and the guy didn't just assume he was israeli because he wanted it to happen swiped down by someone who happens to be israeli? And what exactly what they have been stopping these illegal immigrants from getting with taxpayer money 911 service emergency hospital help? And people who complain about how much they lose due to Illegal immigration never take into account the amount of money businesses and governments get by illegal immigrants not getting full sets to financial refunds or government reimbursement.
>Pfaelzer
Being this naive should be a crime.
I worked with a librarian for years with the name Mrs Quan my mother assumed she was Asian.She was white.
>married to Rothman
>that face
>No wonder China is in the state it is today
Why are you seething about them then? They're about to collapse right? lol.
China is doomed. It's market is going to crash, it's population is going to die out, and all those ghost cities will be filled with actual ghosts from all the people that died from the bioweapon that they released.
I seethe about people pretending good and bad don't exist to frick me over. I couldn't care less about China.
It's a fact that today china is country where the culture is to pray god to get rich. If that's a good culture to have then I have nothing more to say to you, keep believing your moronic shit.
>then I have nothing more to say to you
Good
Don't forget to pray god for money tonight.
why did you lie...? lmao
Lie about what?
>>then I have nothing more to say to you
Lol, it's okay, you don't need to pretend.
>"No wonder China is in the state it is today"
>depicted scene happened over 1600 years ago
Name of the movie?
newbie
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCldpz_Pc1FrGQLsaxaV0kVPqmXN_nanN
Thanks
>70 hours
What the frick
Yeah it's fricking huge, covers decades but is a kino soap opera. I tried to get a decent torrent years ago but the only one I could find had files that were like 15GB in size PER EPISODE.
Boku no Pico.
China was well and truly fricked, long before Mao showed up. How did they all end up being such shitty, self-serving fricks?
He told no lies
RotK has a very heavy Shu bias either because either the author was a Shu descendant or his patron was a Shu descendant
it's related to the general political zeitgeist in China, when a new power supplants an older one they praise Cao Cao for being a genius and a reformer (Mao Zedong was a huge Caogay), when a power is safely entrenched they praise Liu Bei and his gang for standing up for the similarly entrenched Han (
)
No, Cao Cao was the basedest guy. If Cao Cao had Guan Yu and Kongming under his wing, he would have been the emperor a long time ago. Too bad he didn't know about Wo Long
>Be the most honest out of all the of the warlords in your path
It's more nuanced than that. At best they all wanted the same thing, which is the end of the troubled times.
2010 then Dynasty Warriors then the actual novel then whatever other adaptation until you get bored then Ravages of Time
Yes you were. Being is a criminal.
Cao Cao on the other hand is literally the definition of "I am surrounded by idiots". Imagine trying to maintain any semblance of order in country when all of the people running it are more interested in shiving each other for more land than actually do their jobs.
Does anyone else like a Dynasty Warriors movie besides me?
By having no games.
It's kinda hilarious that the three kingdoms figures receive legendary hero properties but then fiction ends and reality hits and they all receive these traditional historic endings where they just die like b***hes.
That's the best part of historical fiction like this, there is a limit to the power level and plot armor the author can give the characters. Helps keep it grounded.
He won a ton in his era, it was overwork and illness that caused him to die, and he still managed to win battles despite being dead. His administrative state was like a miracle in that era of China too, and heck, even compared to today's dismal China.
>today's dismal China
is this more Anglo cope ?
Modern China is literally a miracle and India proves it every day.
>and India proves it every day
GOOD MORNING SIR
you've gotta work harder chang, you don't have much time left on the computer today
>war torn feudal shithole from the 19th century to the 1970's
>now second economy in the world
>greatest infrastructure on the planet
>major diplomatic power, if not currently single most important country diplomatically
>b-but China bad !
>greatest infrastructure on the planet
>massive empty cities
>buildings built like shit and collapse regularly
ok chang, you're not doing too hot today so i hope your meeting with general tso goes well
/pol/tards crossposting is a cancer, don't you have a monkey putin thread to post in
>massive empty cities
This was honestly the biggest westoid self report narrative you could imagine. Literally seething at the idea that the government might want to pre-empt future housing demand rather than let property prices inflate infinitely in a generational pyramid scheme.
lol
he (not me btw) is right though
why are you correcting him?
Do you even know why those buildings were bulit?
Doesn't seem like you because it's literally a state funded pyramid scheme.
Embarrassing.
No.
You are the cancer with no argument throwing ad hominems, he's right.
Shouldnt you be doing fungshui about elevators or stairs?
infrastructure on the planet
???
His job as a shill is literally to be on the computer 24/7.
I'm not saying the west is amazing either but China is still comically corrupt
>half the Chinese live below poverty
>miracle
>b-but there are poor in America/Europe as well!
Yeah but not even close to half the population. That's more than the population of Europe and America living in poverty, think about that for a second.
>b-b-but muh GDP and LGBT marriages!
PPP is king, you get more with a Chinese wage than an American one.
PPP, look it up morons.
>mutt makes $3000 a month, pays $1500 into mortgage/rent
>chink makes $900 a month, pays $100 into mortgage/rent
Have you ever seen a Chinese house? You clearly haven't.
Also you haven't replied to my point, half the country lives below poverty line, they don't know what they're going to eat tomorrow.
>This homie watched serpentza and chinese insights and thought that half the chinese population doesnt have enough to eat
Le ex dee
What is your argument?
Come to china and see it for yourself. Because your words are just regurgitated from mouthpieces with an agenda. If you dont see the chineses as equals, you will never be able to defeat them.
I would rather not come to a country that hates me and could incarcerate me to use me as a political pawn. The CCP literally pretended that Covid came from Italy. Look at what happened to the Canadian guys.
You must be moronic as a Westerner to go to China in 2023.
As in discussion...
Whatever... keep building your moat
Self conservation is a virtue. I'm not opposed to China in principle, the problem are the circumstances. China wants to become the hegemonic power and we're nothing more than pawns for that goal. I understand them but I'm not gonna let them have their way if it's gonna cost me.
Again, traveling to China as a Westerner in 2023 is extremely stupid, do you not agree and if so why? Again, look at what happened to the canadians. The CCP has been spouting anti West propaganda for some time now and the many Chinese have been brainwashed into hating foreigners.
My friend is married with a mainland Chinese. His sister is married to a Japanese. My friend's wife did not want to meet the Japanese guy because of the indoctrination she was subjected to. She started crying. It's not normal not wanting to meet a random person who's never done anything to you.
>indoctrinated to hate japs
>still have the largest number of weebs in the world
otaku/nerd culture, or ACG as the chinks call it crosses boundaries
>It's not normal not wanting to meet a random person who's never done anything to you.
This isn't a problem exclusive to the Chinese, to be fair. There are plenty of morons here in America who will react the exact same way about random strangers of whatever country the American media has been shitting on lately.
I highly doubt they would break down in tears.
Most cultures in the world teach their children not to talk to strangers. It's definitely normal.
Its inevitable, the chineses will take over the world, and they are not as pleasant as the israelites to work with. But eventually, empires fall, like the Dutchs, Brits and currently the Mutts. Everyone must adjust to the changing political climate. You cant deny that the chineses are becoming the worlds strongest, financially speaking. I just dont think that hating them can help at all. Maybe try to outisraelite them instead of ranting about their weaknesses tbh.
but that doesn't make me feel better about my situation, moron.
China is a paper tiger. Call me when the Chinese army has a fought a sinle war. They even lost to India in the Himalaya.
That is bullshit. It's not a stranger, it's the husband of her husband's sister. It's family.
Why are you seething about a paper tiger? And you've provided one example of a girl breaking down that no one can verify, meanwhile you've got chinks working with jap studios all the time making shit like genshit and phantom blade zero.
>Why are you seething about a paper tiger?
Why do you ask the same question multiple times? The question was already answered here
>hurr no one can verify
It's a direct experience that confirmed what I already knew. She also randomly brought up Nanking once when we were talking about something completely unrelated.
No argument. Ad hominem.
If a population is intentionally eradicated what do you call it? Just because they don't point a gun at your head and shoot it doesn't mean that there's no intention and the result will be different.
The whole point of immigration is to boost population numbers. What you're talking about is racial demographics. And no one is stopping you from fricking white women. What a fricking overdramatic moron lmao.
>>The whole point of immigration is to boost population numbers.
Right, because we can just keep growing ad infinitum.
It's a bullshit excuse to delete all identity and create a race of slave mutts, you genius. Zero identity, zero loyalty.
but are they forcing you not to frick white women?
They brainwash people into not wanting to have families by selling a hedonistic lifestyle and are making it as hard as possible for the average person to afford one. It's not out in the open, everything they do is cleverly disguised, they can claim it's your choice when in reality they made sure all the odds were against you and you had no agency to begin with. Essentialy the end result is the same.
One of the biggest steps to move towards this goal was introducing women in the workplace. Can't raise a family with one salary and if both partners are working. Working for your husband and children is exploitation but working for mr shekelstein is empowerment. Feminism is a tool for subversion.
Keep in mind they don't have to succeed in one generation. If someone manages to have a family in one generation maybe they will get their children. And if they can't get their children then maybe they will get their children's children. Eventually they will get everyone and no one will be able to have a family. The goal is the destruction of the middle class. Only the elite and peasants who rent services from now on.
I think you are just the victim of demoralization propaganda. I only see right-wing loonies like you suggesting not to get married: Youll get divorce-raped, she was blacked, she will be blacked, etc.
Stop blaming everyone and get over your fears.
Until that happens, frick off.
>I only see right-wing loonies like you suggesting not to get married: Youll get divorce-raped, she was blacked, she will be blacked, etc.
Where did I say any of this? Stop projecting.
I didn't even mention my political allegiance, speaks volumes about your bias. Facts are facts, regardless of the source.
Sweden?
I think most people would. At the end of the day no one wants to be replaced. One thing is what you say in public, another is what you vote in the booth when no one is watching you.
>Sweden?
lmao, nope, even the swede ended voting for a far right government recently.
Because your post is about the boogeyman JOOS.
Why do you fricks act so whiny when you get called out for your beliefs? Like you know your ideology is shameful.
The boogeyman doesn't exist. israelites do. Dumb analogy.
>Why do you fricks act so whiny when you get called out for your beliefs?
Because you fricks misrepresnt what people say and believe, as you did with this "boogeyman" narrative or when you said I'm against families.
Lying rat.
Let's be honest here, you'll just find yourselves a new group to blame if you manage to exterminate israelites. It's always easier to pin your problems onto others. And you need to calm down, it's really not helping your case.
Can you stop? You're never going to make the other agree with what you're saying, no matter how hard you try, and you're ruining some perfectly good RotK discussion.
sorry, I just can't help myself sometimes lol.
You're doing it again. No one said anything about "exterminating israelites".
As if men wanted to work... people only work because they have to, there's nothing empowereing about it.
>le paper tiger
Brown hands typed this
if you want to play the historical pattern card, fine, I am more than familiar with the dozen or so other times China was on a upward swing then immediately collapsed on itself for a century or two
that is just the way of China
Black person im going to sleep, either poojeets or chinks will dominate this century, and im leaning toward the chineses. Screencap this shit for your grandkids to gawk at.
t. Ray Dalio
yeah I'm sure the Chinese thought the same thing in the 1800s before some dude starting calling himself the brother of Jesus out of nowhere resulting in 30 million deaths and yet another collapse
face it, China is history's punching bag like Russia
go and sleep on it
It will probably never happen now since I think Capcom has all but considered the Sengoku Basara series dead, but I always wondered how they could handle a Sangoku Basara? Like would their Guan Yu's beard be sentient and he'd use it to grip the Green Dragon Crescent Blade with? Would Zhang Fei be some pretty boy? Would Lu Bu be a literal demon?
Sun Jian would likely be a mountain giant of a boisterous man who wears an entire tiger skin as a cape.
Ironically the further Basara went, the less intense and off-the-wall it became.
They started with Tadakatsu being a fricking Gundam and never outdid themselves since.
CHAN CHAN A CHIKI CHIKI CHAN CHAN
He was living in a really shitty part of the country.
>failed to take wei eight times despite having the entirety of shu at his beck and call
>meanwhile pic related is defending wei successfully every time DESPITE the same kingdom he's working for trying to backstab him constantly
Zhuge liang is a b***h and a hoe
>failed to take wei eight times despite having the entirety of shu at his beck and call
That's not nearly as impressive as it sounds the land that Shu occupied were quite poorer than Wei and Wu's and generally underpopulated.
Entirety of Shu is like three and half mountainous shitholes while Wei is the Yellow River valley, though.
Sima Yi also had his entire clan's backing while Kongming had to rely on morons like Ma Su.
yeah Sima Yi is cool and all but if my boy Guo Jia lived through his illness all of China would have been Wei within Cao Cao's lifetime
If Sun Ce didn't die he would've BTFO everyone involved.
still mad they gave him that stupid turban instead of a helmet
Is there anyone who anyone here wants any individual to make playable because of them being in Total War 3 Kingdom?
I remember hearing that Cao Cao back when Guo Jia was still alive he was actually planning on making him his successor mainly because of all his talented subordinates he was the best who was significantly young enough to be a successor.
Zhuge Liang is the greatest manager in that era, but not the best at war as RotK described.
>betray people so much even the uneducated illiterate peasents start to realize that the fastest way to get what you want is to backstab your leader
three kingdoms is great
makes me wonder why anybody bothered with leadership at all when you subordinate would gladly betray you for a bottle of rice wine
like the second leading cause of death in that period, next to disease, was being murdered in your sleep by your own lieutenant because you told him he can't drink on the job
He was a fraud that wasnt even responsible for the great victory that made him famous
Eternal seething of Shu-Han.
It's a shame China's market is so mobile orientated. Would be nice to get more decent Chinese games set in various historical eras. I'm really sick of Japan, it;s fricking boring in comparison, and western myths are being Americanized so hard it;s crazy. Apparently we had kangs in 12th Century Hungary and shit. It's all shit. I want a good wuxia game.
Sengoku Jidai was just as interesting as the Three Kingdoms period
wuxia is shit though
shut your prostitute mouth
okay, but xianxia is shit
There was a trailer of Phantom Blade 0, which is pure Chinese Kino
looks cool and apparently will play like ninja gaiden, but uh, when the frick is it coming out?
Everyone in this thread except for me (a loyal servant of the Han) is a filthy traitor. Prove me wrong. Not that you can
No you. Shut up
Another enemy officer has fallen to my blade
They killed him for being "rebellious".
Funny thing is that when Jiang Wei stopped using the defensive formations that Wei Yan implemented, which they still used for a while after his death, Wei's invading army rolled right in.
Wei Yan deserved better
>figure company never made a liubei figure to go along with the guanyu and zhangfei ones they made
No.... I couldn't reunite the bros.............
Three Kingdoms is just my comfy era of history. Playing DW2 as a little kid got me interested in reading and over the years I always come back to the games, TV shows, books, etc.
CHAN CHAN
AI CHIKI CHIKI
BAN BAN
Where the frick is EIKO's sequel?
You don't get a second season as a music anime unless you make it big. Most normies only know the show because of the OP.
people liked the OP?
She's so cute. I want to frick her.
Eiko is for Nanami only
I prefer nanami but eiko is also cute.
>have amazing first 4 episodes
>completely shit the bed after, remove the focus from the two characters people actually liked
such a shame
I actually liked the whole nanami and azalea backstory, I'd even say I like them more than Eiko's story.
Agree but too much rap shit is generally what turned people off. One or one and a half episode of it would've been fine.
ALL BOW DOWN TO SIGMA YI
>ALL BOW DOWN TO SIGM-ACK
>pretend to be retired
>win
how did he do it bros
So how does one get around knowing the RotTK story? Like is there a specific version of the books? Are you guys just larpers from playing the games?
Yeah... I'm a larper...... I only watched the 2010 tv show
2010
https://nyaa.si/view/914676
This one? Ok I'll give it a watch.
Wrong, it's the 1994 version, there are decent subs in the internet archive
Other than playing games, I've only seen the oizumi movie.
For me it was playing DW2 to 5 and then reading this manga
Watch the 2010 show, then if you're intrigued by it read the books, then play Dynasty Warriors.
Sex with Lingqi
in the shack near Xiapi
What the FRICK is a wo long?
"Hiding" Wo "Dragon" Long.
A game that allow you to create a gender-neutral character during the Three Kingdom era.
How does a Thai lady boy end up in the Three Kingdoms? I bet Wu is to blame for this!
is that why they review bombed it?
sleepy lizner
EVERYTHING SEEMED TO BE ALRIGHT
He thought he was smarter than he was, as a governor and minister he was great. As an actual battlefield commander his record is rather poor, he also did some long term damage to the Shu-Han court with his cronyism. While he did get someone truly talented like Fei Yi into a position where he could do something, it cuts both ways because Jiang Wei ended up in a position to ruin the state.
Love seeing idiots talking shit they know nothing about.
>is Liu Bei a good guy?
Not entirely but he was indeed quite respectable, that's the reason why so many were willing to follow him even before he had much power.
>is he incompetent?
If he was, he would not have built his own kingdom from scratch as a nobody, even luck could not carry you that far. Sun Quan inherited one from his dad. Cao Cao was already in the upper class and working for the empire, but he did build his own kingdom as well, just with way more resource.
>is Cao Cao a bad guy?
He did have bad reputation back then, purging cities was probably his biggest war crime, which is also something Liu Bei never did. People like to compare them both and the truth is Liu Bei was indeed more moral. But both were still passable as warlords and human beings, by the standard of that period of course.
>how did Shu lose?
Wei had always been the strongest kingdom, even after getting BTFO in Chi Bi, their superiority remained unchallenged. Winning Guan Du was Cao Cao's prime and he deserved that superiority after it. Shu and Wu did have a chance but quite slim, after Liu Bei died, Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei tried but they both had their nemesis at the time, Sima Yi and Deng Ai. Shu and Wu already put up a good fight I would say.
good way to put it, not even a shu gay but Liu Bei's historical version is so much better then the novel and game versions its surreal.
>Lui Bei started from nothing
you're a goddamn moron. he stole a kingdom right under his cousin who welcomed him with open arms.
yeah but he did stuff and existed before that.
He thought Guan Yu would totally kill the person he once served.
>People still talk about RotTK and DW
>Wo Long, not even a year old is totally forgotten
I figured in my Dynasty Warriors FanFiction I'm going to have fist 2 OC viewpoint protagonist have there his first meeting with playable officers for the games in a village with Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong and Xu Shu on there warlord Way to meet the Coalition against Dong Zhuo.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14008697/1/Modern-Musou-warrior-in-ancient-China-cv2
>2023
>still no chinese game
What gives
Literally Wo Long, unless you mean a chinese-made game in which case I hope you enjoy mobile gaming.
...I just wanted to talk about stupid ridiculous rottk shit.
Your thread has been hijacked by Ganker
still better than the usual /misc/ bs. At least the tv show was funny.
Ganker is /misc/ tourist
Up until I read this post, I thought I actually was on Ganker.
But this thread is fun right? Better without the poltroony tbh
You know what? Yeah, wasn't a bad thread overall.
I liked it well enough. It's interesting to read other anons' perspectives on the Rot3K figures.
He's such a cool boss in Wo Long
>all the wu/wei wank in this thread
Reminder that pic related would have destroyed them both had that homosexual Liu Shan not gutted his final campaign and surrendered like a b***h.
>Jiang Wei joined Shu
>Jiang Shu joined Wei
Explain this
Honestly he wasn't as competent as Liang, but this man never gave up even AFTER his kingdom was done for. I am sure Bei and Liang would be so proud of him.
This guy was responsible for this
whoopsie so....
I love games and stories set in other cultures, they're always so mystical and shit. I blame disney for me growing up with Pocahontas, Aladdin, Mulan, and Hercules, as a kid I always loved seeing how other people so far away from me through space or time lived and had their own adventures. But nowadays you can't really do any of that or else its "pandering" and "political". Maybe I was just a kid and thus didn't see any outcry from those movies not being about modern white christian men, but I wish we could go back to a time where games could be set in foreign lands like Prince of Persia and still be critically acclaimed instead of just being called [current political opposition] and shitposted to death. Total War Three Kingdoms was literally my dream come true and politics killed it.
>politics killed it.
Did it? I thought it was the shitty Jin DLC no one asked for and the fact that every update caused a bazillion bugs.
>Childhood
DO NOT PURSUE
omg oath of the peach garden
cao cao is literally hitler
>Adulthood
Cao Cao is the one who deserves to rule
Zhang Liao is the GOAT
Who's Wo and why is he so long?
He's long forgotten
For me, it's FAMILY.
I know they probably don't want to put awful characters in the main factions, but I wonder if they'll get the batshit crazy Sun Quan's sons that basically made the kingdom implode from the inside in there eventually, maybe in the "other" sections.
they don't want to put any awful characters in any factions except the dong
>Dynasty Warriors has been dogshit since 6
There's no chance Koei will get it together, right?
They made decent stuff with Nintendo's tard wrangling. Maybe they should take some hints from their direction.
No matter what nostalgiagays say, 7 and 8 were perfectly fine. Not without their flaws, but that's pretty much every Musou game.
I thought 6 was the bad one before 9.
6 was awful. It sucks, because it has a few good ideas (several optional objectives each map, using a special attack to defeat ennemy officers bring more EXP) and the Lu Bu campaign is actually hilarious, but other than that, the system really sucks and once you start exploring the Free Mode you realize most characters are cloned from each other.
6 homogenized the style into generic anime boys where everybody both looked and played the same, that's why its hated.
>but everybody was already very anime
So imagine just how hard 6 homogenized stuff that it got that reaction.
I have a soft spot for 6 because it actually felt like a natural extension to 5 from what I remember when I played it. Combat-wise it's kinda bunk yes and the cloned characters are gay but I don't know it's just the feel of it made sense going from the PS2 games to 6 specifically that is just not present from 7 onwards. Starting from 7 everyone just started shooting out tornadoes and laser beams out of their asses instead of just the mystical strategists and it just came off as bombastic and a bit too crazy.
8 has the best gameplay from Dynasty Warriors due to how much fun everyones movesets became
Not really. They just became more flashy, less responsive and added cutscenes attacks
8 was when it seemed like they finally got it right with weapons. Everyone had their own moves, the newer characters had extensions to their weapons (Ding Feng's hoop can do extra attacks if you time it right, Yue Jin can cancel combos with a back-lit, Guan Yinping's weights increase potency the longer you spin it), the DLC weapons also followed suit like Sun Quan having a flame sword that gets more powerful the longer he keeps moving and not stop. Instead of scrapping all that in 9 they should had hard that as the foundation and built on it.
And get rid of the weapons swapping for all characters. It has never been a good implementation since all it did was give the characters someone else's weapon but not that characters' EX attacks.
Yeah..... I'm going to slap her forehead....
>Zhuge Liang was an awful strategist
Romance likes to paint him as this mary sue that can do everything besides fight but the truth of the matter was he was an awful strategist but a competent advisor given how awful Liu Bei was at leading. He had to compete with actual brilliant strategists like Jia Xu, Sima Yi, Zhang Liao, Lu Meng and Zhou Yu and Shu was severely lacking in that aspect.
>Liu Bei was a moron
Out of all the places to live during the kingdoms of Wei, Wu and Shu's lifetime even before they became as big as they did, Liu Beis territories were outright the worst to live in as a peasant because he couldnt manage funds because he grew up as a poorgay. He would shower his generals with money and riches so much his treasury was often empty, ehich in turn led to taxing peasants hard. When Zhuge Liang came to Liu Bei (not the other way around like in Romance) he essentially had to fix a lot of Liu Beis mistakes of mishandling money and resources which persisted beyond his death and troubled his son, Liu Shan.
>Awful people to work around
Romance really likes to paint Shu's generals as being the best of the best but historically out of the 5 Tiger Generals, only Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun (shockingly) were ever consistently on their A-game. Guan Yu was a piss poor commander and too arrogant, Zhang Fei was an abusive alcoholic who acted more like a bandit and Ma Chao was a bigger traitorous frick than Lu Bu that raped and pillaged his own people harder than Romance Lu Bu, even allowing his father to die due to his own moronic reasoning. By the time Zhuge Liang came in Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun were already out the door in terms of age, he essentially had very little good support to help him out but he at least fixed some of the bigger issues like rewarding Liu Beis friends too much for doing jackshit.
>literally everyone at the time and the dynasties after sucked Guan and Zhang's wieners
>guy in 2023 "nah they had these flaws so they sucked actually"
>fell for Chink propaganda written by a Shu-Han sympathizer
>actual Records of the Three Kingdoms (The Sanguozhi) shows the actual truth of what happened due to China's autism to write everything down
Not my fault you are an illiterate, easily brainwashed moron.
Even outside of RotK they were praised as the greatest at the time, by friends and foes.
Yeah sure Guan didnt become a God until a fanboy emperor much later but they were always highly respected.
no, losers are bad.
Romance continues to influence peoples way of thinking even now, Guan Yu was a competent and powerful warrior but so were many others, the main focus is how Shu-Han failed and part of it is because Guan Yu was not known to be good at everything that was related to Empire building. He was a soldier that relied on his brute strength and luckily he had a lot of it but he was never good at leading, not a strategist and not even a good administrator.
Guan Yu was a highly skilled soldier and extremely loyal, but an administrator and a strategist he was not, overall he does share some blame, but it does get overblown since Wu allowed them to have that land in the first place, they got most of it back, then launched a false flag to obtain the rest of it.
Not even shitting on Wu, it's a genius maneuver, Liu Bei was getting too strong and something had to be done, people are just insistent on being tribalistic.
>Sun Quan: hey can my son marry your daughter so we can have a good diplomatic rela-
>Guan Yu: *AUTISTIC SCREECHING*
I just think Guan Yu is overrated and will always point out his faults. The territories that Wu had given Liu Bei were actually some of the worst lands to live in at the time. Not to mention the Nanban campaigns werent as successful as people think they were. The territory of Shu-Han was constantly in turmoil and the one praise I will give Zhuge Liang (who I also treat like Guan Yu) is he managed to keep such a dysfunctional land together. But the lands of Shu-Han were not anything to brag about.
>hey can you send us your daughter as hostage
Sun Quan was always a Black person
That's not very benevolent of Guan Yu. He should have learned from his older brother and make a new daughter if anything happened to his current daughter.
RotK was written by a Shu-Han sympathiser from centuries later to make a good story, but Records were written by a Shu-Han sympathiser (forced to write official Wei narrative) right after the fact.
You can't treat the things written there as stone-cold facts, either.
Its a cultural thing, whereas a Westerner can look at them in a more objective light and see they had flaws, in China these are people seeped in an oral tradition of being upstanding Confucian ideals and some being seen as deities because their novel counterparts exemplified a set of ideals they themselves historically might not have had anything to do with.
>Westerner can look at them in a more objective light and see they had flaws
I don't know man, from what I have seen in this thread people know little about the story but still talk shit like they expertise in this subject.
>When Zhuge Liang came to Liu Bei (not the other way around like in Romance)
Kek, wish you had said that right at the start so I didn't need to bother taking you seriously. Liang literally mentioned three visits in Chu Shi Biao.
>Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun (shockingly) were ever consistently on their A-game
Don't know where you got your material but Guan and Zhang were always two of the highest regraded generals. Zhao and Huang were not that impressive despite being decent still.
>doesnt know about the annotations in the Records of The Three Kingdoms that disprove this fictional event to make Zhuge Liang look even more impressive.
>Chen Shou (the guy who wrote biographies related to Shu generals): "Huang Zhong and Zhao Yun were fierce and mighty warriors, just like claws and teeth. Were they the successors to Guan (Xing) and Teng (Xiahou Ying)?"
>also Chen Shou: "However, Guan Yu was unyielding and overly self-respect, whereas Zhang Fei was hot-tempered and without kindness, their short-comings leading to their defeats. This is common logic indeed."
Good to know you have 0 knowledge of actual written history, The Sanguozhi
adhd zoomer here, how the frick are you supposed to watch the show? there's like a hundred episodes and they're all one hour each
By sitting the frick down and watching it. alternatively play a Dynasty Warriors game first so you can at least hear some of these names and know some superficial shit about them, preferrably 7 for the best story focus but 8 is fine too, avoid 9 like the plague.
I've just been watching a few episodes a week. I do think that it's way too long though. But apparently most chinese shows are like this.
Play them at 2x speed.
Take medication or have a nice day
Don't watch it, it's not meant for people like you.
If you aren't interested by the end of the very first episode then chances are it isn't for you.
>people in this thread are unironically interested in chink history
holy fricking shit have a nice day
Your kids or grandkids will speak chinese one day, screenshoot this. Or dont if you get 0 b***hes
bing chilling you stupid fricking insect
Yes on the first bit no on the second.
I fricking hate how DW9E has less options for clothes than DW7E.
I suppose the Artemis set is no longer there?
Cao Cao saw what he needed to do to unite the land and did not care for flowery images of him painting him as moral or whatnot.
Based. Liubei is a rat.
Therein was his downfall. He had the mental strength to endure scorn, but most people like to be seen as good guys even if they are starving civilians to death "for a good cause". By dispensing with the pretenses of goodness and not ensuring that he is surrounded by equally strong-willed allies, he ensured his eventual defeat at the hands of those that would sell belief of moral superiority to the weakminded.
Cow cow stans are just fembrains who side with the strongest male
He was literally the first of the 3K's main leaders to die.
>want to make a female evil fame type CaW
>don't know how to come up with a name
>just named her Owarida
Eyes should be closed.
>most of my life was convinced he was an overrated romance gayfiction character with no relevance
>read up on the stuff said about him in The Records of Three Kingdoms.
>turns out he was actually one of the most competent warriors, outsmarted Cao Cao and his forces with the empty castle strategy, stole Cao Caos precious and famous Blue Blade
>died of old age because he kept surviving everything thrown at him
Based. Deserves to fertilize both the DW version of Guan Yinping and Xingcai.
the Romance of the Three Kingdoms is fanfiction though, a collection of stories and myths, and taking the military accomplishments of Hu Ji and attributing them to Zhao Yun.
What are your thoughts on Puzzle & Dragons's renditions of Lu Bu? Keep in mind, some of the art is almost a decade old now. The last pic is animated: https://pad.chesterip.cc/8459/
You homies remember that cao cao and nobunaga cameo in warriors orochi? Shit was so cash.
He was reverse isekai'd into the real world for Eiko. He had to lose somehow, there is no truck kun back then.
Why do they have such crazy outfits in modern media? Do we actually have primary sources describing or showing them in these clown outfits, or is it just "romantic" inventions of later historians?
>Do we actually have primary sources describing or showing them in these clown outfits
yes
sauce?
Which dynasty warriors is the best?
DW5 or DW7
They all suck dick.
It's FIFA for chinks.
DW7 and DW8
Some examples of overrated and underrated people during the 3K period
>overrated as frick
Guan Yu (horrible commander and leader)
Zhang Fei (a drunkard and a bandit)
Zhuge Liang (awful strategist and unsuccessful at expansion)
Xiahou Dun (constant jobber, rarely won when he commanded)
Lu Bu (acted like a woman, indecisive and paranoid)
Ma Chao (disgraceful and unsuccessful, led to the death of his people)
Guo Jia (died to heatstroke before showing his worth as a strategist)
>underrated as frick
Zhang Liao (Cavalry General for Lu Bu, diplomatic genius, defended Hefei on his deathbed as a strategist from Sun Quans main forces)
Cao Ren (initially a moron, decided to read and study to become intelligent, evrntually became a wise and intelligent general with much experience on multiple battlefields)
Lu Meng (the main Wu general who captured The Jing province, also had more victories under his belt than Zhou Yu)
Xu Rong (Dong Zhuos most competent general, beat the Coalition back which was mainly just Cao Cao and Sun Jians forces without breaking much a sweat, almost killed Cao Cao and Sun Jian as well)
Gao Shun (on par with Zhang Liao, was extremely loyal, led The Camp Crushers into many victories against Cao Cao and was smart enough to realize they were going to lose eventually but followed Lu Bu into death due to loyalty)
Jia Xu (romance Zhuge Liang in real life, managed to help a small warlord beat Cao Cao then eventually worked for Cao Cao, all his advice was great, strategical genius and an excellent advisor)
Gongsun Zan (extremely competent as a general, defended China from barbarians, became famed for his white horse riding generals that any white horse would scare people that Gongsun Zan was nearby.)
Xiahou Dun was a fantastic administrator and a loyal friend with that said, not to mention he recruited several important figures early on, he wasn't a god on the battlefield but he deserves respect even if it's not for what you'd think it would be.
also what the frick universe is Zhang Liao underrated? dude you are on some opium harder then the chinese population.
If Guan Zu had not been an egoistical moron Liu Bei could have a chane
If you mean underrated in the way they are depicted in games compared to what they actually did, this fricker right here basically carried Wei on his back in its later years campaign against Shu.
even then it doesn't make sense then DW has been pushing Lu Meng and Zhang Liao for ages now, hell they have Zhang Liao solo the entirety of Shu in a DW7 stage
Who was the better fighter, Guan Yu or Lu Bu?
Zhang He is underrated
So Ganker which warriors lady is it for you?
Xiao Qiao
I've always been a sucker for Shangxiang but I've grown on the Qiaos
Nanman pussy
If they ever let us have a polygamist relationship in Dynasty Warriors I vote
Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang and her daughter who I think was invented originally from a screenplay.
Xiahou Ba’s wife is so beautiful
They're all so good, hard to choose.
I want Zhenji to step on me.
I want to have Xiaoqiao hold Daqiao's head and force her to blow me.
I want to call Lianshi "mommy" in front of my actual mom.
I want Xingcai to peg me.
I want Bao away.
I want to call Zhang Chunhua "great mommy" in front of my grandmother's grave.
I want to frick Wang Yi while doing neighing noises.
I want to hold hands with Wang Yuanji.
Xingcai
Daqiao.
Dong Bai looks cute but I haven't played DW9 so I don't know how her character is.
If by warrior that also includes Samurai
One of the things I check to gauge how much interest an entry has from people is how much "art" of the ladies there are. Naotora Ii as soon as she was added to the roster had quite a few material. I've honestly seen frick all of Mitsuki from SW5 so that led me to believe interest in 5 died off fast.
5 turned autistic demon king Nobunaga into a gay
>sun quan fricks this
captcha: pp
I always go out of my way to cuck Sun Quan in every game that allows me to. She too perfect.
DW 9 Daqiao
You posted her.
Her too. For SW at least. Best girls.
What are some good to read online or watch on YouTube for free If you plan on making a Dynasty Warriors fanfiction?
And how exactly did we get on the topic of white wig left wig racism propaganda slavery were talking about an entirely aged baby China series of events with only one possibly not Asian provided individual(I heard a feeling that historical Yueying might have been White because of the contradictory nature of her appearance when described)
what's the best entry vidya for 3 kingdoms, dynasty warriors?
If you wanna try the oldschool one, you can go with 3 or 5. You'll probably need an emulator with some upscaling options to make it watchable though.
Otherwise, 8 is extremely solid.
As for RotK, I only played 10 and 11. 10 was a bit confusing tbh, and I never really tried too hard to be good at it. But 11 is a really solid TBS game and can keep you occupied for some time. No idea how the new ones are, I wasn't hearing the greatest things about 12 back then.
What series of historical events would you like for a new Warrior series to play in ?
Some stuff in Europe, maybe. I thought the setting in Bladestorm was good, but it wasn't really a Musou per se, and it's unplayable today.
I would love to see Japan's take on the Thirty Years War, since that shit was quite crazy. Started from protestants throwing out Christians out of the window, and ended up with the Spanish army fighting off the Swedish troops in Alsace.
Reconquista
and then a sequel about the conquest of mexico
The crusades
when?
I don't see how they can do Meng Huo and Zhurong daughter unless they acknowledge a bunch of these guys have multiple wives in the game. Her fiance is already shipped with someone else in the game.See
I have no idea who these people are
A few of them have been in the games for a fricking long time, and it's quite a mystery why Koei hasn't made them unique yet.
Cheng Yu is one of Cao Cao's early strategist, I think.
Cao Zhi is one of Cao Cao's son that was in direct concurrence with Cao Pi.
Liao Hua is one of Shu's officers that stayed there for the longest time (though he didn't really do much, it's still better than donut steel OC from RotK fanfiction like the Guan sons or Bao)
Zhu Zhi is also a pretty important Wu general. Similar to Cheng Pu and Dan Heng, he really should have been one of the first Wu general to actually be made unique.
I disagree with Zhu Zhi because he was pretty important for negotiating and subduing the local Wu tribes and was around forever, but in terms of accomplishments and personality he's very much lower then the other old farts that got in, right now the main reason to put him in would be "well the other oldies are in" and "being the father of Zhu Ran who is in too" which works, but is a tad weaker.
If you're
, couldn't you say the same exact thing for Liao Hua?
Up to DW7, I'd agree that not all characters deserve to be made unique, but considering Koei is pulling shit from their ass (like how NONE of the main games addition for Shu were good in 7 and 8, and the only saving graces came from characters added in the X-Treme or Empires versions like Xu Shu and Fa Zheng), I'd just rather take these.
I could, but Liao Hua does have a tad more to work with, since he has the fictional novel stuff of being an ex yellow turban, which they could use for further options regarding what they could do with him, so overall he's just way more flexible with what Koei would do with him, Zhu Zhi can very well get in, but he's not someone I'd care about getting in since I'm not sure what he'd be bringing to the old vet dynamic (hell he could be worse then what they did with Han Dang) and Zhu Ran is rather underused as a character to start with, so unless they decide to apply more focus on Zhu Ran, it might feel like one of those adds that doesn't do much. I will agree that there have been some pretty stinky ads that I disagree with before, but that doesn't change my thoughts overall.
but like the Main Advantage Liao Hua has is that you could have him appear all the time, that is not something that you can say about any other character.
Yeah, that's fair. I actually wish they could expand a little bit on the Yellow Turbans, kinda like they did with Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu. Now obviously, you can't give them too much "good" stuff, but the rest of the Jiao brothers and the characters that started as Yellow Turbans like Xu Huang could make for a somewhat decent campaign.
But yeah, Wu characters are always going to be a problem the more the game progresses with the storyline, since late Wu is such a shitshow.
Late Wu would be rough because a lot of it is internal politics, and really ugly infighting that is mostly done by factions that revolve around family members fighting eachother.
they have seemed willing to explore that a little bit with various NPC's, they gave Sun Jun and Sun Chen models in one of the DW7E DLC's for example, not to mention Sun Quan and Lianshi's daughter plays a very important role, and since they did put in Dong Bai, they might warm up to the idea of putting in another straight up evil woman in the game.
but I will say if anything, Wu needs more late ads then early ads, Zhuge Jin kinda works as one since he lives long and is related to zhuge liang and zhuge dan, Sun Jian's wife is self explanatory, I am biased towards Zhu Huan because he's an absolute mad lad and the prime example of how trash of a person you could be and still be kept around by Sun Quan, and Xushi's story is just badass. With that said again I'd rather have late Wu character's like Lu Kang and Sun Luban.
So it's just a bunch of lesser known characters with little to no achievements?
I feel like they have enough characters already. They just need to make the games fun again.
give me Bianshi, Cheng Yu, Liao Hua, Jian Yong, everyone from Wu except Zhu Zhi, Yang Hu, Chen Tai, and Shen Pei. I can elaborate on my answers for yes and no.
>Bunch of more generic pretty boys and e-girls.
Yawn
only Huaman looks like a e-girl, but they can use other appearance of her like in this pic
those homosexuals at koei will never put ma yunlu, because the poster boy cant have a gf or something stupid like that
so, do we like fictional characters or not?
yes
I think Zhang Xiu needs to be an addition, the guy had a long and interesting career. He also wasn’t a cowardly pushover like his generic appearances would lead people to believe.
Wang Ling would be an interesting add for Wei. Was related to Wang Yun so he would have an early appearance aiding Diao Chan in playing Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo off each other, then defected to Wei and served in their army for quite some time, married Guo Huai's sister, eventually killed with Zhuge Dan's failed rebellion.
I don't know shit about the Three Kingdoms besides playing some Dynasty Warriors at my cousin's place when I was a kid.
What's the best way to get into this stuff? I know there's that TV show people keep posting clips from, which one is that and should I watch it? Any decent documentary series?
Do any of the DW games have Chinese voice acting? I don't think I could get into the series by playing the older games with shitty En*lish VAs going "Cow Cow".
>I know there's that TV show people keep posting clips from, which one is that and should I watch it?
It's Three Kingdoms from 2010. There's a torrent on nyaa and it's also on youtube, but with a lower quality. Worth watching if you have the time for 95 episodes, 45 minutes each.
9 does have CN voice acting.
Not sure it's worth playing for this.
You can always play the others ones with the Japanese voices, but yeah, don't expect to recognize any names here.
Japanese voices are ok too.
They could have at least pronounced it like tsao tsao. Isn't general's tsao's chicken a thing?
6-8 have much better voice acting.
I miss this weapon for Zhang Liao
I think his dual pole looks pretty alright. He got some pretty sick animations with it.
Okay but why doesn't DW depict liubei as having elephant ears?
Saying this here often does rustle some jimmies, but A LOT of the Musou fanbase are fujos. Thus the hard bishonenification of the characters starting from 6 onwards. With the exception of a few characters (like Dong Zhuo, or the really really old guys like Huang Zhong, and even then, Cheng Pu's pretty sexy), don't expect any unattractive (or even generic-looking) males to pop up.
Didn't have Lu Bu.
any Wei scholars in here? Why was Wei so much better than Shu?
I want to frick Daji so badly.
10/10
And he executed probably the more capable of his sons, even if he was adopted, Liu Feng
That had no basis in actual history. The romance writer was just seething about how he felt his son ruined everything.
He was going against ba zing zhe and bing chillin.
Best boys
Zhang Liao
Deng Ai
Zhou Tai
Lu Meng
Sima Shi
Best girls
Yuanji
Wang Yi
Zhenji
Yueying
Chunuhua
How come ancient and middle age chinese shit is so cool? Its amazing how entertaining 3 Kingdoms and shit like Water Margin are.
Why the hell does modern china feel like a cultural void in comparison?
conquered by steppe chads twice, japan once then communism
there's 2000 years of history in middle ages china while modern china is less than a century old.
This. Modern china isn't actually the same as based pre-1000's China. Not even genetically.
Well most of the worthwhile literature in the west was written in the span of 200-300 years starting from the 18th century or so. And countries like nipland and kimchiland have way less ancient history than china but are cultural powerhouses these days.
It's true that Korea is a cultural powerhouse now, but does that really mean much when it's for shit that's even more soulless than the Chinese gacha games anons have been complaining about in this thread?
I think China will become great again. Unlike the "west", they're not permanently destroying themselves with dindu mass immigration. East Asian countries are reasonably likely to save themselves by revoking women's rights, which the "west" is absolutely unwilling to do because of their ideology.
Probably. China's got a long history of becoming great and then falling miserably every couple of centuries. Makes sense they'd keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Industrial and Information Revolutions were too great to assume it will just be cyclical again, though I could be wrong.
I see China following Japan's model of plateauing since they already have the bubble and the demographic troubles.
No idea how the west will turn out though, they're a bit far removed from me.
Do you think the west is too far gone? I think the foundation of theirs is still pretty damn good and still the best the world has seen, I haven't really seen parallels of the institutions and ideas that "sanctified" (idk if that's the right word to use for the nuance) things like liberty and the importance of the individual in the east. Confucianism just feels so paternalistic and inflexible, and I have to admit I don't really understand Buddhist thought all too well yet, but on the surface it seems way too concerned with transcendence to be effectively immanent (unless you're thinking about based Nichiren).
NTA but going by the pareto principle, as long as at least 20% of the population is willing and able to work hard for the rest of society, it will survive.
The issue is that literally everything is trying to turn people into brainless consumer with no ambitions.
Japan/China/Korea are also consumer countries mind you, but they somehow still manage to work hard since they are famous for having notoriously bad work culture with massive amount of (technically illegal) unpaid overtime work.
>Do you think the west is too far gone?
Not every western country, but places like France and UK, yeah probably. Their under-20 demographics are like half Africa and Middle East now, and this transformation only took a few decades to happen. They'll be South Africa tier dumpsters pretty soon.
Isn't our demographics here in the US like 60% hispanics or something for teens? It's weird because sometimes they're counted as whites or something.
I don't live in the US but yeah, probably.
but feminism is a huge problem in south korea and it's starting to spread to china
well yeah, SK is an amerimutt vassal
but other Asian countries might still be able to stop feminism from ruining them
China could crack down on it, because they don't have to care so much about the resulting westoid seethe. Even Japan has a chance if they kick out the amerimutt influence, which isn't happening yet but it's not too late for them.
I plan on doing everyone's campaign in Dynasty Warriors 9. I just have people who end in the last chapter left to do now.
By siding with a baby kicker. cao cao had true vision and didn't punt babies, simple stuff
Thoughts on this series?
Nice legs. I like.
what the frick is this shit
3 kingdoms but everyone is a girl and in highschool
Wtf. But. Why.
Why not?
>Why.
because frick you
Why not?
Also it's a work that is probably older than some of the poster on Ganker.
>probably
The series is 23 years old, it's definitely older than some posters.
because
INTERESTING.
In order for someone to come up with this, they had to have, at some point, had the thought, "What if the men in Rot3K were frickable?"
Kinda gay.
You're gay.
There's also Koihime Muso which is 100 percent based
>Koihime Muso
Cao Cao best girl.
She's great. Whole cast is really damn good but my favorite is Huang Zhong. Yuan Shu's my second favorite but that's because I'm weak to smug e-girls.
How's the anime? I've only played the fighting game.
I've been rewatching it lately and I love it. It's fricking hilarious even more so if you understand the gist of ROTK lore.
Because 2 nukes were not enough.
Is Zhuge Liang in it?
Ikkitousen. Officers reincarnated as high school kids.
What the other said, it's ROTTK but everyone is a girl.
The tanned girl is Lu Bu FYI and the blonde girl is Sun Ce.
Too much panty. I like panty but not that much.
FYI, Sun Ce, Guan Yu and Lu Bu are DLC characters in Senran Kagura
Indeed
So is this guan yu because she has green hair? Is that it?
...That's Lu Bu, anon.
I'm so fricking confused bros....
It's Lü Bu
This is Guan Yu.
Pure Sex
And the tiny green haired gal here is Zhuge Liang.
the leg things ruin it
It was the style at the time.
I used to hate them too but kinda miss them now that they're gone.
I need to see the LEGS, man
LEGGA
>Can't appreciate socks
Pathetic, you are not a real legs man.
no, moron
1 - these ugly-ass cumbersome things change the shape of the legs, obscuring them, if they were tight, I wouldn't even say shit, it looks horrible, like some kind of shitty hooves
2 - these aren't socks
3 - if you like these things, you're not a leg man, you're a """"sock""" (whatever these things are) man
>if they were tight
Ah, never mind, an american.
leg warmers are hot and you are gay
leg warmers are gay and you are hot (temperature-wise) because you're wearing leg warmers in summer
also, you're gay because you're wearing leg warmers
My favorite character gameplay-wise.
Same, she has great animations.
Blue hair. Eye patch. Stoic demeanor. Oh this must be Xiahou Dun.
>It's Lu Meng
Eh?
For me the show lost steam once Cao Cao died (or was it Liu Bei?) Which ever died last. I watched a bunch of episodes after but i wasn't feeling it anymore. Up til then it was great though. I might have appreciated it even ore if i actually played Dynasty Warriors
me but with LOTGH after Yang Wenli dies
Disagree since it was still good after that if only for more historical storytelling and Reuenthal. It only becomes a slog in the final 5 or maybe 10 episodes where the story just NEEDS Julian to fight Reinhardt. By that point you already knew what was going to happen and all the events felt matter of factly. Especially since Reuenthal was kill so the conflict felt weak.
I think the 2010 series did a good job introducing new interesting characters. Even after Cao Cao and Liu Bei died, there was Cao Pi and the rivarly between Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang.
>mfw that sick OP
what the frick, didn't know there were so many chinks here
no one cares about your revisionism and fairytale propaganda
Japan did more to export chinese culture than China itself.
I only ever assume weiposters are chinks (or darkies) tbh.
sorry but we gwailos also like Three Kingdoms kino
do you, really? who the frick cares about caco caco and wi tu lou or whatever
these homies probably didn't even exist
What did Cao Mengde mean by this???
which is your favorite faction?
It's been comfy
Yes, yes it has, for the most part.
Reminiscent of /eagg/
SIGMA yi won.
Remember that.
Cute hat though
I love lu lingqi