>NOOO YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR PLANS AND CHOOSE A DIFFERENT DESTINATION MID-TRANSIT! MUTT! MUTT! DO AMERICANS REALLY?!??!
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how do i improve traffic in city skyline? all my cities are like this
Should be fine as long as they connect to arterial roads, or "stroads" as seething pedestrians like to cry about. Cities Skylines used to have an AI issue where they'd all line up in a single lane, but you can fix that with mods.
Maybe that person wanted to walk next to highway, but it would be considered "jaywalking"
Jaywalking became a term to ridicule people who didn't yield to car in middle of city streets. Cars literally took the streets from humans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jaywalking is crossing a road at a place other than the intersection, numbnuts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And? It used to be normal. Cars had to give way for people EVERYWHERE. Back when cities were for people and not for cars.
There's no way there isn't just some dirt path or back alley that would cut that down to a 20 minute walk, especially with a college right fricking there. College animals will tear down brick walls to get a faster path at food.
is walking on freeways or highways illegal?. I might've done it once but i was nervous since i thought i was being a massive fricking dumbass but that was my only choice since i was in an unfamiliar city and didn't have mobile data so google maps only shows driving paths offline
>No one wants to walk if they have the option of driving
What the hell?
Driving or getting a ride is the last option for me.
Bicycle > Walking > Transit > Car
And ususally walking and transit is the same, but anyone can walk 5km easily. Longer than that and it is a bike or transit trip. I am mega obese and I can walk that everyday.
Car is usually for something very specific like giving a ride for 3 people to middle of woods or cottage trip etc. >Also, that pic looks nice
Americans have strange taste
americans really are stupid and insular enough to think things like that. it's not bait.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's actually amazing. I don't even bike to the supermarket because it's slightly too close to be worth unlocking and locking my bike. How are these people treating getting a fricking car going as a luxury. It's annoying and if possible I never want to do it.
Go look at the map. You can't walk under it because it is on ground-level.
Also there aren't any pedestrian walkways anywhere when I looked from streetview.
I saw the full video recently. She and some black chick were arguing about something or other in a lingerie store, then the white girl tried to push the black one, then she started to scream and yell and cry and act like she was being stalked by a murderous rapist or some shit, went on for literally 15 minutes and she kept saying she was having a panic attack while everyone else ignored her and the black woman recorded everything
iirc she was fired from her job after the clip went viral
Even if she was coming at you and you record her many times law will still be on her side just keep that in mind (not that you would be wrong to do so imo)
thank christ the only time i ever hit a woman was when i was a minor. b***h stole 10 bucks i was going to use to buy a mouse and wouldn't give it back, she was trying to flaunt it infront of me thinking i'll just keep telling her to please give it back so i jumped on her and bit her hand until she let go of the bill. I suplexed the same girl later in gym class because she was being a c**t and played it off as a joke since i was the class clown
you act like the person recording: collect evidence, state you dindu nothing, prepare to defend yourself if needed
as soon as someone confronting you starts acting like that you should know they're not a serious threat. The more they scream and try to put others against you, the weaker they are.
You should worry about the silent people confronting you, because they're confident they can kick your ass and need zero help to do it.
as soul-crushing as this cookie-cutter bullshit is, it's sad that modeling it in C:S would take ages purely because that game can't do non-rectangular lots
They're literally adding DLC to cars and people are eating that shit up.
Gas could go to $20 a gallon and Americans would still drive everywhere. The consoomer-ism is too entrenched in the American psyche for them to even consider anything else.
It's the blessing of Space. America never had the problems that European states face. Think about how long it takes to drive from one end of France to the other. Now, think about how long it would take to drive from Seattle to Miami
>Blessed with abundants amounts of unused land >make large swathes of NOTHING but residential single family homes so everyone HAS to drive to even get to the nearest store
It's just bad use of space, they made and marketed single family homes as the only way to live so banks can sell mortgages to make money
It's the blessing of Space. America never had the problems that European states face. Think about how long it takes to drive from one end of France to the other. Now, think about how long it would take to drive from Seattle to Miami
It's not about space, it's about doing everything in one's power to get as far away from blacks as possible.
the most hilarious part about all of this is that the entire american economy since world war 2 has been propped up by the petro-dollar which is the sole reason that gas is (was) so cheap in the US and a major reason why suburban sprawl was possible and that's all quickly disappearing as people are finally realising that sustaining that sort of system is impossible because it's a literal ponzi scheme
big changes coming soon i think
because energy can just be produced for no cost right? Gasoline especially, just make it!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what is supply and demand?
I don't expect commies to be good at economics but this is literally first paragraph learning
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you think oil price is dependent on natural supply/demand situation?
The oil countries literally have a council where they regulate the production of oil to keep the price high.
But hey any country can just make gasoline right? Just make it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you think oil production isn't dependent on government?
Domestic oil production is being purposefully hampered.
Any country that can produce oil can produce gasoline, we do it here already you silly commie goose
Ford fricked the US by lobbying against trains so everyone would be forced to use cars. Now mass transit is mostly used by low class people and literally ruins every area of connects to.
>and literally ruins every area of connects to
Lulz. >Be American >Take out a loan to buy a 500k $ suburban house of your own >City council extends a bus route into your area >Now, whenver Tyrone exits the bus near your home, your property value falls down by 1k >Before long, you will be forced to pay any potential buyer to even begin to consider taking your house off your hands
Dude American has a housing price crisis, you really want to make houses even more expensive by mandating they need to be built with nuclear bunker structural integrity?
no, it absolutely does not
t. lived in new england my whole life
that only happens in southern housing because they don't expect those temperature swings
2 years ago
Anonymous
This man tells the truth. People in the South think ice and snow happen to other people. In the late 70's my dad was in Georgia for basic training (he comes from Indiana) it sleeted a bit and then had about an inch and a half of snow on top. Dad knew what was coming so watched an intersection near where he was having breakfast. Car comes to the intersection, slams on brakes, skids into the open. Next car slides into him, next, next. Five cars ended up in a pile. He told that fricking story till he died.
How the frick do you run away from Silent Hill, Dumbass?
I'm sure what you pictured happens all over the American North.
No, our houses are built specifically to retain the heat. Which makes summer a pain in the ass if you don't have HVAC or AC.
Yesterday I just read books and played Xbox 360 because having my PC on was increasing the temperature from a SWELTERING 30 degrees to, I dunno, 32.
>dude, what's up with that little jeep? >is it going to suddenly drive off and hit someone? >is someone going to try and steal it? >oh shit, is that man in the orange shirt going to hop in and drive off? >oh...the webm is just about the woman falling...
i swear to god there are 2 versions of this video, one where the jeep is kid wearing a transformers costume and the other is of the lardass falling and i can never tell which one is gonna happen
What I find really odd is why they don't just put a grocery store or two in there.
I know it's impossible legally, the area is marked as single-home buildings only and anything deviating from that is illegal, but why? It just seems like creating inconvenience on purpose to me.
It’s reverse logic. They think that rich people live far away from any conveniences and utilities, therefore they are living in more luxury if they don’t have to see any businesses or public spaces near their house. When the fact of the matter is having the luxury of not having to go out and get food constantly is why rich people live further away from businesses.
I love how suburbs make people seethe. You just know that the people complaining about suburbs are posting it from their Manhattan walk-in-closets they pay $2000 for every month. And at the same time they'll complain about housing prices and evil landlords, while doing the legwork for blackrock and co to ensure that no-one will be able to afford more than said walk-in closet.
Theres enough space in america to get everyone a 2000sq ft house. There is no need to live in pods.
They're only dogshit according to the hivemind that is the "city planning YouTube community". Suburbs serve a very real purpose. The issue is very strict zoning that makes it impossible to put up, say, a corner store in the suburb so that you could walk to one instead of having to just go to a grocery store. Newer builds lean towards having some small businesses and schools built into the community
>so that you could walk to one
plenty of suburbs make this very difficult, is the point.
get fricked. 99% of people on the entire planet spend their lives dreaming about owning a house instead of their tiny apartments, but will never afford one. And if it weren't for the narcissistic single households, the "reliance on cars" would be ridiculous to even complain about.
I've been to a lot of places in the world, and as soon as you leave the big urban centres there's no other way than cars. In most small towns it's considered a blessing to even have a store to buy food around because everything else is not reachable by foot or bike. Not every small town has a cinema, a hospital, a doctors office, a hardware store, a pharmacy or any other places. This goes double for any place in mountainous regions. I've seen the bus schedules that go once every few hours or switching lines 3 times. Noone who's ever been outside of the big cities would EVER complain about cars. It's just the cancerous urbanites that moved out of their containment zones and they now realize that the rest of the world isn't designed around daily meetings at barcades.
Yeah I don't care about whatever third world shithole you're from, that doesn't make suburbs where you have to drive for frequent necessities any less terrible. There's so much better layouts that you could have that don't force you to use a car to get some milk that defending them makes you look like a cretin
get fricked. 99% of people on the entire planet spend their lives dreaming about owning a house instead of their tiny apartments, but will never afford one. And if it weren't for the narcissistic single households, the "reliance on cars" would be ridiculous to even complain about.
I've been to a lot of places in the world, and as soon as you leave the big urban centres there's no other way than cars. In most small towns it's considered a blessing to even have a store to buy food around because everything else is not reachable by foot or bike. Not every small town has a cinema, a hospital, a doctors office, a hardware store, a pharmacy or any other places. This goes double for any place in mountainous regions. I've seen the bus schedules that go once every few hours or switching lines 3 times. Noone who's ever been outside of the big cities would EVER complain about cars. It's just the cancerous urbanites that moved out of their containment zones and they now realize that the rest of the world isn't designed around daily meetings at barcades.
I live in a single family home that is a 5 minute walk away from a shopping centre and a train/bus station that connects to every single place in the entire country
You don't know shit about the world
>a train/bus station that connects to every single place in the entire country
City slicker confirmed. Or are we talking about one of those micronations and city-states?
Clearly the situation of someone in i.e. Copenhagen is completely different from someone in Warsaw.
And that single family home will have to go anon. Clearly you're using way too much resources with that thing.
NTA, but I live in a 3rd world country and my town has constant train connection to Capital, around every 30min. There are few bus lines that do loop around the centre before going to different directions towards city or somewhere with even less people.
People here of course still owns cars and drives them. But many just walk, bike, or use public transit.
And this is in a small irrelevant 3rd world country according to Americans.
It is strange that USA has monetary and budget problems when it comes to giving a decent public transit or giving proper walkable areas.
2 years ago
Anonymous
americans seem terrified to use public transport
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA, but I live in a 3rd world country and my town has constant train connection to Capital, around every 30min. There are few bus lines that do loop around the centre before going to different directions towards city or somewhere with even less people.
People here of course still owns cars and drives them. But many just walk, bike, or use public transit.
And this is in a small irrelevant 3rd world country according to Americans.
It is strange that USA has monetary and budget problems when it comes to giving a decent public transit or giving proper walkable areas.
Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out. We have it in our big cities like NYC, Chicago, Phoenix, and so on, but that's about the only time it's viable. It's simply not feasible for cross-country or even cross-state travel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
why the frick is New England bent like you broke America's arm or something
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mercator projection nonsense
2 years ago
Anonymous
>95% of Americans drive to work in the same town every day because it's a big country
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most people still live in cities
It's not an issue for people who live in cities and do have public transit. Loads of people still live outside of cities. Cities also need to hit critical mass before public transit becomes viable. Tiny Gaylord, Michigan doesn't have the population to sustain public transit.
Not every European city or town has public transit, either. When you get outside of the largest cities in the country, the public transportation infrastructure becomes very tenuous very fast. America is just much larger and has many more areas where the population density is not high enough to make public transit options viable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tiny Gaylord, Michigan doesn't have the population to sustain public transit.
Yeah but you stupid muppets have satellite cities of several hundred thousand people without a single fricking bus line.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not true at all. Buses are the one thing America doesn't skimp out on
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Buses are the one thing America doesn't skimp out on
American busing systems are dogshit lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most people still live in cities
2 years ago
Anonymous
They don't you mong
About 200 million of them live in "incorporated areas" and 76% have less then 5,000 people
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out
Nobody is saying "You need have a train connection between NY and LA every 30min". But you can barely move inside your own town/city with public transit. Especially if you live away from the town or city centre.
At least make a proper public transit netwerk inside the states and then work to connect them.
I am pretty fricking sure that USA, the most powerful nation in the world, has money and resources for it. If you can expand highways constantly, then you have money to slap some railways. You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent so I am pretty fricking sure you can do it with 2020s budget and technology in one state.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent
With slave labor. Once workers started needing competitive pay, health insurance, and retirement America stopped building and that's why everything is falling apart
2 years ago
Anonymous
?
america still uses slave labor using inmates from the prison system
2 years ago
Anonymous
Prison slaves generally create create loosely regulated textiles not government regulated infrastructure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
nothing stopping them from doing that
the government doesn't follow the law
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm sure they do it so they prisoners don't leave jail with an actual marketable skill like construction; if you just make license plates all day for 10 years you can't turn it into a job when you leave, but pothole repair is a union job
>With slave labor
As the other Anon said, prison system. You also have much efficient building methods, machinery etc. >Once workers started needing competitive pay, health insurance, and retirement America stopped building and that's why everything is falling apart
Aww man. That is why there aren't any new highways, suburbs or such built anymore. That really sucks.
Wait...
Also, isn't it strange that other countries can afford to build railways and public infastructure but not USA.
Is USA that poor?
You ever notice how slowly that happens? It takes 8 years to build 5 miles of road because of bureaucratic bloat and money scams (the long it takes the longer the workers get paid etc). America is so rich but has no high speed rail like bullet trains, most of the country still has no access to high speed internet, every road is a pothole ridden mess, old art deco/gothicstyle buildings meant to stand for centuries are buildings are falling into decay.
All because labor ain't free anymore .
2 years ago
Anonymous
States are constantly throwing money at MOAR LANES projects because they're subsidised with federal money. Which is also why they're bleeding money now, because old streets need to be maintained now.
Also no one wants to put care into existing infrastructure, cause you can't show off with that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
USA seems to have more than enough money to slap more and more lanes to highways tho. Estimated cost around $2 billion dollars btw.
But man, walkable infastructure and trains. Those are too pricey. We just don't have money or resources for that. Anyway lets bulldoze some apartments, schools and businesses for our highway hell!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>cablemanagement.jpg
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seeing how US has money to spend on stuff like 300$ per normal standardized bolt in Aircraft Carriers, it doesnt seem like "labor costs too much" issue. Theres plenty of money to go around. The issue seems to be elsewhere in decision-making process.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well we can't stop making carriers, Think of all the job's that well be lost
2 years ago
Anonymous
>With slave labor
As the other Anon said, prison system. You also have much efficient building methods, machinery etc. >Once workers started needing competitive pay, health insurance, and retirement America stopped building and that's why everything is falling apart
Aww man. That is why there aren't any new highways, suburbs or such built anymore. That really sucks.
Wait...
Also, isn't it strange that other countries can afford to build railways and public infastructure but not USA.
Is USA that poor?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Using government money to benefit the lives of Americans gets you beheaded in America.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmao your gay "walkable city" only exists so rich people can use government funds for wars and diversity programs instead of supporting a big, comfy house for you and your family, see
>Theres enough space
Why is it that people who defend suburbia always have zero knowledge about city planning?
Sure, on paper there might be enough space to house every american in a 2000sq ft home but the economics of that would obliterate the economy and shatter the country completely because suburbs would suck up nearly all government resources
That's why I'll never give a single frick about efficiency.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God I never used to get the "remember where we parked" jokes in like, the simpsons as a kid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Things like allocating money for public transport are voted on by city residents during the ballots.
Often times, these propositions get voted down.
My city for example just passed a proposition for expanding the light rail system here. But a big chunk of the city is against it because of things like increasing property taxes, the amount of construction, cost and demolishing of businesses etc to make room for the new lines.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why is cross-state travel not feasible in the US but feasible in the EU?
What excuse is there for us not having highly developed public transit throughout the more populated east coast?
We don't need to run trains all over the mid-west, the problem is even our more dense regions favor the car over all else
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out
Nobody is saying "You need have a train connection between NY and LA every 30min". But you can barely move inside your own town/city with public transit. Especially if you live away from the town or city centre.
At least make a proper public transit netwerk inside the states and then work to connect them.
I am pretty fricking sure that USA, the most powerful nation in the world, has money and resources for it. If you can expand highways constantly, then you have money to slap some railways. You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent so I am pretty fricking sure you can do it with 2020s budget and technology in one state.
Never heard of Amtrak I presume. It's very commonly used by the black community in the NE, which is why no one else uses it and you probably never realized it existed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Amtrak has a self feeding problem. It doesn't own the rails it runs on, and the rail owner gives priority to cargo traffic. Meaning Amtrak is always late, usually more than doubling the estimated travel time. This uncertainty with travel times means you can't practically use it for regular travel like commuting to work - no workplace in the states is going to be ok with the kind of delays Amtrak has. No commuters means pretty low usage rate in general, which both Amtrak and the private companies that own the rail use as a justification to keep passenger traffic depriorized. To turn Amtrak into something reliable you'd need passenger volumes big enough that delays would cause a shitstorm, which you can't get before the service is reliable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you've just explained the issue with public transport in america. It works in countries like Japan because people there are sensible and have respect for one another. America is full of Black folk, spics, rednecks and other mouthbreathers who can't behave like a decent human being. That's why america will never have good public transport
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one lives in at least half the area of the US. Russia is even bigger and still manages to have public transport in the cities and even a railway connecting the east with the west.
2 years ago
Anonymous
False. US is well developed. Most of it is farmland, though, so it looks like there is a lot of land until you account for millions of acre of corn to grow biofuels
2 years ago
Anonymous
If we're going the "NO SPACE CUZ FARMING" way, then any evil suburban sprawl in the desert is literally hurting noone.Chances are you could probably be self sufficient with solar in NV or AZ.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think suburban sprawl is a problem. Farm takes up more space than all of the suburbs combined. Let alone pasture range.
Also, I live in Arizona, and no, you can't be self-sufficient with solar. Even out here it takes about 8 years to meet ROI on installing solar panels on your house. Solar is a fricking terrible energy source. Nuclear is much better, but the solar cucks don't want us to use it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Farm takes up more space than all of the suburbs combined.
Farms aren't in the middle of cities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Suburbs aren't, either. They form a ring around the city
2 years ago
Anonymous
>. They form a ring around the city
Yeah, and farms don't. Not sure how you couldnt deduce that from my post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
why did we put all our golf courses in south carolina
2 years ago
Anonymous
By self-suffifiency I meant could you run your day 2 day appliances like A/C and stuff off of solar? Not necessarily PV, but even piping water through black pipes to heat it up? Sure it might be expensive, but it could at least make sense. Doesn't make too much sense in Maine.
Now that being said I can't wait for the EAT THE BUGS crowd to come along because of the many pastures. I wonder why the environmentalists don't have a hardon for pastures because it's an incredibly natural way of keeping livestock compared to industrial stables.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So this is what operation stardust was targeting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
So why doesn't public transport work in your big cities either? You've got some of the biggest in the world, and they've got shit all public stuff.
The answer's that you used to have world class, highly advanced for the time systems, before car companies bought and dismantled them. Lots of your big cities had streetcars, many were building expansive metro networks, but car companies didn't want the competition. All this "too spread out" nonsense is propaganda to justify public-hostile actions after the fact.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There are plenty of public transit options in the cities. They just don't go into the suburbs because the suburban people don't want them to. It's not as advanced as in Japan or Europe because we have high car ownership rates, but plenty of Americans in San Francisco, NYC, Chicago, and etc don't own cars because they don't need or want to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Chicken and the egg, buddy. Is your bad public transit caused by the car ownership rates, or is the high car ownership caused by shit public transport and prevalence of single family detached housing (suburbs)? I'm thinking it's the latter, but I'm no expert.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>prevalence of single family detached housing
Caused by high crime rates due to minorities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Really? Is crime really the reason for all the suburban sprawl? I can see it being the reason for the gated communities, that makes perfect sense, but I don't think most detached housing suburbs are gated.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, but most criminals are urban and find it difficult to make it very far in a suburb to commit a crime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So it's not a causal relationship, but a helpful side effect? I can buy that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also, america is frick all "spread out". It is highly centralized around cities. Like 95% of European cities with extensive public transit would barely qualify as a small town in US, much less a city. It is exactly US that would benefit most from mass transit: high capacity rail for those high-capacity boring 5h drives between states on the motorway, and more localized metro/bus/biking network for cities. Very few culturally important or historic places too: as building motorways has shown, it is no problem to mow down entire blocks of city to make room for freeways. US is literally a textbook experience on where to implement public transit effectively.
This is also like #1 bookcase example or case study in nearly all city planning schools, so anyone saying "it wouldnt work here" without good reasoning is outing themselves away as someone with zero experience on the matter. No offense to previous poster intended, as this is vidya game board.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like 95% of European cities with extensive public transit would barely qualify as a small town in US
Tokyo is bigger than any city in the USA by orders of magnitude and it has some of the best city planning and public transportation on earth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe america would improve if they nuked themselves
2 years ago
Anonymous
They did, one of the few countries crazy enough to do that. Euros were clever enough to do their a-bomb tests in some tropical islands in the ass end of nowhere. America? They just blew theirs up in the middle of New Mexico.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My argument was that US has big enough cities, and the "sparsely populated" argument is moot. I have no idea whether you were for or against, especially since you brought up Japan which is literally on other side of the globe. Did you misunderstand me or were you trying to elaborate on my point? Please work more on putting your thoughts into understandable sentences.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The point was, that big US cities have shit transport and are still designed with cars in mind and it is a problem
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It is highly centralized around cities
It's not the Census Bureau has stated that around 200 million people live in "incorporated areas" and most of those areas have less the 5,000 people.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/05/america-a-nation-of-small-towns.html
2 years ago
Anonymous
Based Dwight. I thank him every day I drive. Truly one of our greatest presidents.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks for providing source. Do you have any EU countries (roughly equal in size to states) for comparison?
>99% of people on the entire planet spend their lives dreaming about owning a house instead of their tiny apartments >I've been to a lot of places in the world
so what do those poor african villagers think about owning their own homes?
>Theres enough space
Why is it that people who defend suburbia always have zero knowledge about city planning?
Sure, on paper there might be enough space to house every american in a 2000sq ft home but the economics of that would obliterate the economy and shatter the country completely because suburbs would suck up nearly all government resources
Just build more suburbs and sell the homes you build to make up for the deficit of your existing suburbs. This is literally how american cities work btw.
Yes good goy, live in a pod and don't forget to pay your rent on time.
And wow thanks for that unbiased source. Blows my mind how my non-existent subway, library and $5 cinema tickets are somehow more expensive than the NYC subway, public libraries and broadway shows.
>unbiased source
when it comes to city planning debates, there is no such thing as an unbiased opinion but hey, if you enjoy wasting money then you can keep defending suburban sprawl all you want
you misunderstand. my point was that there is no need to live like bugmen either in a suburban sprawl or a podtower. That being said the quality of life in a suburb is much higher than a podtower unless you're into barcades and the "hustle and bustle".
The point is that roads and cars are, the further you go away from urban centers not a luxury but a necessity. Which is what you hate. And thus you want suburbs to be more like the cities you know and love. I want suburbs to be more like rural places. Farms and Fields. But that's le bad, because you'd need a car to go places.
>my point was that there is no need to live like bugmen either in a suburban sprawl or a podtower
that is the ultimate point of these threads and the modern city planning debate in general
>That being said the quality of life in a suburb is much higher than a podtower
debatable based on the location
>The point is that roads and cars are, the further you go away from urban centers not a luxury but a necessity
see above
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah so some people want to live with the comfort of their cars, others don't. Let's be friends and have the car haters live over there, and the car users live over here. No reason to bulldoze the roads over here to shit because you don't want any. And to make it fair we'll get rid of all the road taxes and handle everything over tolls instead. Same for the subway, public transport and everything else. Don't use it? Don't pay for it. simple as.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Let's be friends and have the car haters live over there, and the car users live over here
this is where things become murky
i am a huge car enthusiast and i hate car-centric sprawl almost more than anything because it limits my enjoyment of the car so where do i belong?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well clearly you'll need access to roads with your car then, so you could live in car country. Or you could live with the car haters and take a train ride or walk into car country where your car is in a storage unit to use your car on weekends.
Like I enjoy boats. I fricking wish we'd turn the mexican border into a cross american canal so I could live in Arizona on my boat. But that wouldn't make a lot of sense. So I either live close to the sea or live in AZ and drive/fly/walk to the coast.
Frick off commies you're not taking my car, I'm not going to live in a cuckpod and get harrassed by Black folk in a train. When fuel gets too expensive guess what's going to happen? We're just gonna get electric cars.
>When fuel gets too expensive guess what's going to happen? We're just gonna get electric cars.
do those electric car production facilities run solely on electric power too or do they use fuel?
>I'm not going to live in a cuckpod and get harrassed by Black folk in a train.
Are there any vids of blacks trolling suburbanites by simply strolling through their orderly neighbourhoods of cookie-cutter homes?
Suburbanite Amerimutt cargays seem to be terrified of their mere existence, let alone proximity.
I don't know about skylines, but in sim city your silver bullet was to avoid grids like the plague since the AI gets confused easily.
If you are a bad enough dude try making a city with ONLY one road.
>33 >Live in NYC >No license or car >No intent of ever getting one >Ride e-bike and subway everywhere
Cars are a scam. Imagine paying ~$600/month on something I'd only use on the weekends
I live in AZ and spend about $280 - $320 even with the $5.50 a gallon gas. You'd have to have a 50+ mile a day commute to even near that expense with current gas prices.
Car note- ~$300
Insurance for first time rider in their 30s living in the South Bronx- ~$320
Parking in downtown Manhattan- ~$900/month
That's not including gas, maintenance, EZ Pass, etc. And there's nowhere to even park on my block so I'd up walking a quarter mile to it anyway,
Holy kek, New Yorkers live like this and call us savages? Parking is free, insurance is light (unless you're a 16 - 26 year old male), and maintenance is cheap.
We don't live like this and take mass transit instead. Only people with families/drug dealers/actual rich people have cars in the city. I'm sure even in your backwater you've heard about the 24/7 mass transit service here; there's no space for 8 million people to have cars
I live in AZ and spend about $280 - $320 even with the $5.50 a gallon gas. You'd have to have a 50+ mile a day commute to even near that expense with current gas prices.
there's a kiosk to the left of the pickup lanes, I imagine you pull up when your order is ready, give them your order number, and somebody walks out to your car with it
either that or there's some kind of underground dumb waiter thing that brings your order to the kiosk, but that seems a bit too expensive/high maintenance for a shitty fastfood place
Cars have been around for 130 years now. Why is it only within the past 30 years that obesity has spiked? Why weren't the Greatest Generation fat? They loved cars back then too.
Listen numbnuts, cars never caused obesity in the past. Not in the 1900s, not in the 1920s, not in the 1940s, not in the 1960s, not in the 1980s. Obesity has only become a problem starting in the 1990s. It couldn't be cars, since they never caused obesity in the prior 100 years of existence.
They loved cars but they still walked quite a bit, as cars weren't as convenient as today, and the urban layout was a little bit different too.
Also, again, it's one factor of many.
I love cars, I really do. They are some of the coolest collection of machinery created by humanity to use in day to day life. The breadth of designs and styles, all that. But living a life where you are, for the most part, dependent on having a car for the simplest things, comes with drawbacks and o upsides.
Walking diminished dramatically throughout the early 1900s. Cars were the go-to mode of transportation by the early 1940s. Car-centric design cropped up for returning soldiers in 1945 - 1950. There's still a 40 year time gap before the obesity bomb drops.
The real issue is our diets. Calories in, calories out. Walking barely burns any calories, and even if you walked 2 hours a day you still would have a calorie surplus from 1 (ONE) big gulp
That's the point. It's the stuff we eat that causes the health issues, not cars. You can be healthier than someone who walks 30 minutes a day by just choosing healthier food options.
Walking and biking is more about keeping your system up and running than burning calories, health is a lot more complex than just calories in - calories out
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It really isn't the complex. Even sedentary people can be thinner than more active people, they just have to reduce what they eat by a lot. Yes, exercise is important, but ultimately it's all calories in, calories out.
2 years ago
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Yeah, calories in - calories out is just for weight gain and loss. Which is an important part of being healthy, but far from the only one.
Absolutely, but if you want to lose weight without your musculature going first you better make sure to work out a lot as you cut down on calories
2 years ago
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Yeah, calories in - calories out is just for weight gain and loss. Which is an important part of being healthy, but far from the only one.
Americans are doomed because of corn.
Everything is GMO corn, even their sugar is just corn syrup.
And the worst part is that they don't even use all the gigatonnes of corn they grow every year. A large chunk of it is just destroyed to make ethanol or whatever it's called, which besides being a massive sinkhole of money and effort is also a net negative for the environment.
Their government is literally paying farmers to grow crops and then destroy them. On an industrial scale.
>Pay money to throw away money
That is literally every aspect of america, they build massive parking lots and roads using money they don't have and go into massive debts when it's time to maintain said roads since those roads and parking lots don't create any taxable income yet cost significantly more money to maintain then some decades old corner store that would be illegal to make today
Cars have been around for 130 years now. Why is it only within the past 30 years that obesity has spiked? Why weren't the Greatest Generation fat? They loved cars back then too.
Because you don't know what you're talking about.
My neighbor was over last night and had a beer when he returned my lawn mower. Half the block got together on the 4th to grill and shoot fireworks.
About the closest any of us see to conflict is during whatever tournament season it is and a couple of the guys bantering over liking the wrong team.
>neighbors going to Palm Springs for the weekend >tell me I can go over and use their pool, already have their keys
Fricking love my street, every one of my neighbors is great except for the schizo that lives at the end of the block.
>Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out
Nobody is saying "You need have a train connection between NY and LA every 30min". But you can barely move inside your own town/city with public transit. Especially if you live away from the town or city centre.
At least make a proper public transit netwerk inside the states and then work to connect them.
I am pretty fricking sure that USA, the most powerful nation in the world, has money and resources for it. If you can expand highways constantly, then you have money to slap some railways. You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent so I am pretty fricking sure you can do it with 2020s budget and technology in one state.
Why do any of that shit when you can just get in a car and drive? Trains are moronic lol.
I live in suburbia and lived for a while in Boston
Genuinely enjoyed my time living there without a car, except when it came to shopping for groceries
I guess you're supposed to go grocery shopping twice a week so your cargo doesnt get so big that you need a car (or a fricking Uber) to get it home...
/n/ exists because urban design gays kept getting uppity and wanted to talk about trains and got mad and b***hed to moot about make their own board. Also Ganker gays don't make off topic threads seething about Americans. If they want to make fun of Americans they talk about German and Japanese cars.
>lives in some big metro gravy belt that wouldn't exist without cities and without policies fricking over cities to enable gravy belts like 80% of Americans >FRICK CITIES
CITIES WERE A MISTAKE
RETURN TO SMALL TOWNS
THE INTERNET HAS RENDERED HIGH DENSITY HOUSING POINTLESS, REMOVE CITIES, REMOVE SUBURBS, TEAR IT DOWN, EMBRACE RURAL LIVING
>you WILL pay for gas >you WILL pay for parking >you WILL pay for insurance >you WILL wait in line at the DMV so we can register your fingerprints >you WILL drive past the traffic cameras >you WILL spend trillions fighting to control oil sources >you WILL tip the traffic cop and thank him for his service 🙂 >you WILL make government-mandated parking spots outside your small business
I have no idea how cars became a symbol of freedom when they're one of the most regulated things on the planet.
>I have no idea how cars became a symbol of freedom when they're one of the most regulated things on the planet.
as with most things, the idea became romanticised while the real thing became a nightmare
see: war
>you WILL pay for gas >you WILL pay for parking >you WILL pay for insurance >you WILL wait in line at the DMV so we can register your fingerprints >you WILL drive past the traffic cameras >you WILL spend trillions fighting to control oil sources >you WILL tip the traffic cop and thank him for his service 🙂 >you WILL make government-mandated parking spots outside your small business
And I will enjoy it while you cry and wait for the bus.
>you WILL be taxed for public trains >you WILL pay for the ticket too >you WILL be banned from trains if you don't comply with house rules >you WILL be banned from trains if you have covid >you WILL be run through our facial recognition database 15 times before taking your seat >we WILL stop train services as we please >you WILL outsource all steel mill jobs abroad >you WILL be eminent domained if we want a railroad.
Not me of course, I will enjoy my automated limousine service to my helipad where my helicopter will fly me through uncongested airspace to my private villa. I should be scared of the peasants rising up against me, but I have successfully convinced the cattle people that their way of life is better than mine. I turn on the TV to look at the security camera footage and chuckle as yet another homeless man takes a shit in the middle of the train cart and I think to myself "best $50 ever spent".
I used to live 2 miles away from work and I always wanted to buy one of those DIY helicopter kits you see in the back of popular mechanics and just fly to work.
The fact that my place was directly under the approach pattern for a private airport was the thing that stopped me.
Which was kind of neat too. I can understand trainspotters because you'd start to identify individual planes, and when they would usually take off and come back.
It's not about sperging out, but simple things like what can you carry onboard a train or bus without being in violation of the rules?
Like in the US firearms would be a problem, as in you aren't allowed to bring them onboard. More simpler items would be: no open containers of food or beverages allowed. I wasn't even allowed to bring a takeout bag onboard a bus in the UK once. Like I wasn't even eating it, just bringing it on board was no bueno.
>you WILL be run through our facial recognition database 15 times before taking your seat
not once in all my time taking a train has this ever been a thing
Might be different according to countries, but at least in the US, UK and Germany security cameras are omnipresent throughout train stations and trains. You don't think its still Dave watching 200 monitors in an office somewhere, do you? All that stuff is being handled automatically.
>Get an electric bike for 800 6 years ago >Electricity costs me less than turning on my AC >Friends and coworkers seethe about how I seem to always have money and always get to do whatever I want >Tell them its literally just because I don't spend 1000+ on a car every month >They freak out >WhAt If YoU wAnT tO gO tO aNoUtHeR StAtE!?!?" >Tell them literally everything I need is within 10 minutes of where I live and I have no interest in vacationing anywhere >They get even madder >Apparently my supervisor has a fricking hour and a half commute to work >Gets super passive aggressive at my 7 minute commute
Instead of facing the fact that they all fell for a scam they freak out at anyone that did not fall for it.
That's basically any issue. Rarely do I see an American say "yeah, it sucks", not even the election system or prison system. Even when people make fun of aspects that should be unarguably bad like voting on a workday without getting time off or prisons being fuller than in China or Russia, you see people deflecting. It's insane.
>Even when people make fun of aspects that should be unarguably bad like voting on a workday without getting time off or prisons being fuller than in China or Russia
What you pointed out is meant to keep blacks out of the system, which amerisharts are willing to do even at the expense of themselves. No wonder that you will be met with screeching the instant you suggest a future where they will be seeing black people everyday.
Yeah, but I doubt every American is aware of that all the time. Especially not the voting on tuesday bit. Or that every one of them agrees with the methology used. "Oh boy, I sure love having to take a break from work just to stay in line to vote just so that blacks have slightly less power in politics!" Most of them are blissfully unaware that in most first world countries, you don't have to wait in line to vote to begin with.
Bikes are for the poor, urbanites, and people not in a rush. Bicycles are better for helping people out of poverty than any socialist policy yet tried.
In America we just buy 1 - 2 weeks of groceries ahead of time so we don't need to rush to a grocery store minutes before it closes. We can afford to do so because we can use our cars to haul our groceries home, homes which are big enough to store weeks worth of food.
Outside of Appalachia and Indian Reservations, most poverty is urban. Also, things are much cheaper in the US so even the poor can afford to live better lives.
Canned and pickled goods. It's rather easy to can and pickle your own stuff, but you can buy really cheap canned foods at any store. We also have the option of growing our own tomatoes because our evil, oppressive single-family low density detached housing gives us space to plant in our own yards.
>In America we just buy 1 - 2 weeks of groceries ahead of time
And that is why Amerisharts rely on heavily processed food items, as anything fresh will end up spoiled.
I would gladly live in a city and use public transport and support my local government if everything wasn't ovverun by Black folk and other sociopaths who want to kill me
but they are, so I'll gladly pay extra to live out of town and drive to work daily
>corporate exploitation of public funds GOOD, ackshually
You've yet to give an argument for your claim having basis in reality. Imagine jerking off "jerb creators" in your spare time, for free.
Fricking them over how exactly? Commuting by car is the single most dreadful thing in daily life. Hours wasted for nothing but frustration.
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>Commuting by car is the single most dreadful thing in daily life.
I don't know why so many city-slickers think this. You have your own radio, your own AC/heating, and plenty of storage space. You can listen to whatever you want to, and keep the temperature at whatever you find enjoyable. You can take a detour to go and get some food on your way to your destination, or you can take a scenic route if you want to enjoy the drive more.
Driving solo is great. Getting road-head from your girlfriend is great. Being able to go wherever you want is great.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Driving in a city is not the same as driving on a state highway. And "you can go wherever you want" is typically not true if you're commuting to work, especially in a city. You probably have 1-2 viable routes, with little difference between them.
2 years ago
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So stop crowding the cities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't know why so many city-slickers think this.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I hate driving because the roads in my area are shitty, the drivers are shitty, and there's nothing around worth driving to. I lived right across the street from my job in a lively, walkable part of town for a few years, and the experience was way more pleasant than having to drive everywhere every day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're talking about commuting by car to work, there's no variety. I did it for three months 2 hours a day. The main thing you have is other idiots who just go full auto in their daily commute and drive recklessly because of it. Also >Radio
Pretty bad half the time >Storage
What for? I drive to work, not home depot >A/C
Nice, but also available in trains >Listen to whatever
Yeah, but I can only listen. I can't read or play whatever I want.
2 years ago
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...because they're city-slickers. Their driving is in the city. Which sucks. Urban spaces with tons of traffic suck to drive in. You spend more time going zero mph in a traffic jam or waiting in lights than actually driving. You can't take the scenic route because there's exactly one viable route to where you're going.
Once you're somewhere where you can actually drive, things get infinitely better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're forcing people's hands. Not very good to take their decisions into your own hands.
2 years ago
Anonymous
America already does this by designing everything for cars. You're already forced to use a car. But car manufacturer marketing has aggressively and successfully made you think that's freedom, basically since Unsafe at any Speed was published.
2 years ago
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People chose to drive in cars because they were cheap and allowed ownership of a means for transportation. Public transportation became full of undesireables.
2 years ago
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>fricking over commuters
No one likes 2 hour car commutes moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I vote Republican because they don't do anything. They never do anything, they're all talk. They sit in government and stall on any and all changes, especially when they aren't the majority. It's pretty great, honestly.
2 years ago
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Beats getting tax hikes.
2 years ago
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the irony of trying to blame the red israelite and praise the blue israelite
i'm an idiot but this is what i do, as long as you can maintain a grid with short blocks with streets that look like this you will never have congestion.
Probably not. You'll want three tiers of roads - you already have single lane roads for the grid and the big three lane highway, but you'll want to connect those two with local two lane roads. Preferably several points of contact between the grid and the local road too, so you don't get bottlenecked in a single spot.
makes sense, i always fail at connecting the higher speed roads to two lanes getting bad bottlenecks on the highway while the areas i actually place buildings are completely free of traffic.
i'm an idiot but this is what i do, as long as you can maintain a grid with short blocks with streets that look like this you will never have congestion.
the issue comes trying to merge into this grid.
Think of a river.
You have small tributaries that feed into bigger branches which feed into the main river.
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In 1988, prompted by SJ's large deficits, the Swedish parliament privatized the network by ordering that the ownership of rail infrastructure be separated from the ownership of train operations, and opened up the system to private sector train operators by introducing competitive tendering for local rail service contracts.[5]
Wait, does this work? Sven?
why don't mutts balkanize if they hate each other so much? seriously, you see them at each other's throats calling for the death of their countrymen at every opportunity, this shit is bizarre
Balkanizing won't really solve the issue. It's a city vs everyone else thing. Even if Wyoming, the most Republican state, broke off, Cheyenne would still be at odds with the rest of the state.
This is a good video on it. Universities are the big problem, even in Red states. Outside of cities, every state is hard Red.
I'm not coping you guys are just gays. I majored in Math so I understand all the statistics that you liberal homosexuals misunderstand
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you do go to college, you're misinformed
2 years ago
Anonymous
This you, by any chance?
>I'm not coping
Sure you aren't, little guy.
You guys will never be women
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm not coping
Sure you aren't, little guy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Get lost, commie.
2 years ago
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>learning is communist
lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you go to college, you learn a bunch of feminist bullshit. No thanks. Rather actually contribute to society by farming and hauling rather than being some HR c**t.
2 years ago
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>If you go to college, you learn a bunch of feminist bullshit.
This really is how conservatives cope with the most advanced human knowledge largely demonstrating that leftist beliefs are accurate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This you, by any chance?
2 years ago
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lol
lmao, even
2 years ago
Anonymous
If dem dummycrats r so smart then y didnt biden fix da c**try? Ya, thot so
>Dude just go into debt getting a piece of paper that won't even guarantee you job
Tech schools graduates have easier time getting jobs and making money because plumbers and electricians and other handymen are always in need.
>You need to pay thousands of dollars to learn critical thinking
Do Euros actually believe this
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of the time you do, yeah. People who learn "critical thinking" on the internet don't actually have to demonstrate that they understand how it works in any meaningful capacity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No because most of us don't have to personally pay for universities anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
University's free in most of eurostan. Paying dollaridoos and going into debt for basic education is an american problem.
They tried it once. Federal government refused to let the states splinter and there was a four year war over it. Ever since any kind of talk about splintering meets treason charges.
>all the anti-american copium from europoors and 3rd worlders
pathetic
on the topic of the actual thread, get rid of intersections, use as many t-junctions as you can instead. mix low density commercial and offices in at the corners of your suburbs, and in the backyards make walking paths through the block with a perpendicular path near any junction.
you can also set up a few bus routes and have them path through the suburbs in a staggered timing pattern, this game was made by europoors so they massively overvalue basic public transportation stuff, so all the people go fricking apeshit for buses. that'll fix most of your issues.
you can also change some of the shorter roads to alternating one ways to reduce congestion on them if you have too high of a density for the roads you're using.
>build 3 lane arterial roads leading to every area >build 2 lane bigger roads for main streets in between suburbs >build Hospitals and other necessities on 2/1 lane road intersections (NOTE: driveways into buildings should be on the 1 lane roads to minimize traffic stoppage on big roads)
You'll take my car from my cold dead hands. I loathe public transit.
Frick having to wait outside for the bus.
Frick having to wait another 10m because the previous bus was already full.
Frick the limited destinations.
Frick the schedule that doesn't fit my needs.
Frick having to huddle together with dirty sweaty smelly plebs.
Frick being unable to reasonably carry more than a backpack and a bag.
Frick the constant delays.
Frick having to pay every fricking time at every new ride (regardless of the cost itself or if tickets transfer from one ride to another). >oops you forgot to refill your pass and now you gotta wait 20m while some moronic boomer figures out how to refill his card at the only nearby kiosk
All of those can be fixed by having a proper public transit system and not the neutered ones they have in the US.
Except the false sense of superiority over the plebs. You are a pleb too.
If you go to college, you learn a bunch of feminist bullshit. No thanks. Rather actually contribute to society by farming and hauling rather than being some HR c**t.
>contribute to society by moving things from A to B >do not try to understand society and affect it in any way
Yeah what fricking geniuses american conservatism produces
Which ideological bullshit do you imagine I subscribe to? Like, if you want to argue with the voices in your head you don't have to use me as a proxy.
Your stance (argument is a bit generous) is basically: reading about society and studying society scientifically (as is done in the humanities) is bad for some reason. Looking into inequalities, ways to organise society, ways to plan and conceptualise things is wrong and bad because it leads to wrongthink.
Things are as good as they're ever going to be and go do manual labour and contribute (while I study maths lol).
None of those equity programs work. Giving meal tickets just makes people used to taking them instead of working for food. Not only this, but your beliefs come prepackaged with universal suffrage garbage, which only fricks up the work environment. There is nothing but harm coming from your "kindness".
>universal suffrage
What the frick are you actually against universal suffrage or do you just have 0 clue about what you're talking about?
>work for food
The point of welfare is not to lift people out of poverty, it mainly to make the lives of people in poverty easier as 1. as a patchwork fix because societal reforms against poverty would be bad for the people that benefit from the current distribution of resources, and 2. the secondary effects of poverty lead to more costs for society. e.g. if we give people food in a structured way they won't have to steal to feed their kids.
2 years ago
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>which only fricks up the work environment
How?
By increasing workforce to the point where you can no longer be employed just because you asked nicely?
Or by firing you because you couldn't stop saying "Black person" all the time?
>fricks over the voting populace since whoever appeases to sufrage gets the vote >fricks over the workplace by having women take up hours and get put on leave for their own biological functions
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is the voting populace fricked over by policies that are based on, what was that wording, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
And why do you prioritise "the workplace" in this abstract way over giving half of the population monetary autonomy?
Could it be that you're just a hypocrite that want white men to get all the goodies? It very much seems to be the main thrust of your ideas. It's not surprising you don't like humanities students lol
>anon republican math autist shows up to uni >starts ranting about women working and blacks having the vote >inevitably gets BTFO >"U-unis are brainwashing :,("
>which only fricks up the work environment
How?
By increasing workforce to the point where you can no longer be employed just because you asked nicely?
Or by firing you because you couldn't stop saying "Black person" all the time?
Those last three are completely alien to me, but the other ones I can sympathize with. No delays up here (unless someone an heroed in front of a train again), and instead of individual tickets or passes it's a monthly sub app on the phone.
I'd like to add one - frick the noisy fellow passengers who insist on blabbing full power in their gobbledyasiatic bullshit, and the ones listening/watching shit on their phones without headphones so the whole bus is annoyed by the shit tier speakers on their budget phone. Noisy ass b***hes.
Considering that the Republicans are the ones that endedthe slave trade...
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, over 200 years ago when none of the current republican party was born yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's another smug moron that forgot the parties did a flip-flop in the 60s
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Considering that the Republicans are the ones that endedthe slave trade...
That was back when the Democrats were the party of conservatism, white supremacism and racial purity.
>this coping lie again
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Considering that the Republicans are the ones that endedthe slave trade...
That was back when the Democrats were the party of conservatism, white supremacism and racial purity.
Nothing "these days" about it. Blacks sourced the slaves by capturing and selling other blacks, israelites ran the biggest trade companies, including slave trade ones. Buyer side is the only part where whites were heavily involved - which is significant, because without buyers the whole slave trade thing wouldn't work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do white nationalists lie through their teeth so much about history?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah yes because the white man just had hunting parties in Africa for slaves
2 years ago
Anonymous
That would be more exciting, at least.
2 years ago
Anonymous
how do you suppose the American slave trade existed without anyone buying slaves and bringing them to USA?
we're not talking about the African slave trade. try to stay on topic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That part is not in dispute, not that it matters whether slavery was a thing in africa. part of the triangular trade was trading weapons to the africans in exchange for slaves.
source on the bit about israelites being in charge of the trade
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tried googling around a bit. Easily found dozens of sources saying israelites were involved on some level, ranging from 5% to 17% of total slave trade, but only one saying israelites were completely in charge. And that one single source is a speech by Leonard Jeffries.
In short, no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
source
2 years ago
Anonymous
How about Greta Weber's "Shipwreck Shines Light on Historic Shift in Slave Trade"? That has pretty good descriptions on how portuguese israelites struck deals with west african states to haul their slaves to be sold in Brazil
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there was some portugese israelites involved with the slave trade
That was not your original claim anon.
Were the people buying those slaves and accepting the ships that carried them also black/israeli?
Soon enough conservatards will be teaching that plantation owners were black, ackshually.
I did count the greentext, and I thought I was pretty clear why they were alien to me. They simply don't happen where I live - delays are rare, pass is on your mobile phone, is a flat monthly fee for everything, no faffing about refilling or scanning things. Sometimes you get ticket inspectors boarding the train/bus/tram/metro/ferry to check everyone has active subs, but even that's rare. That's how a well designed and ran public transport can take care of some of the issues you have. Sucks it doesn't work that way where you live.
When I started writing the first reply, I had a point that was something like "hey these specific parts are just your local company being shitters and not applicable to most public transport", but it got lost somewhere along the way. Sorry about that.
As for your question, is the answer "car manufacturers" or "fricked up politics"? Those are the first ones I'd assume.
>Refuse to acknowledge how car dependency is fricking over the US in ways that we're just seeing in the present >Shift the topic to slavery to derail the topic and have people talk about other things
Man, we're so fricked aren't we
sharts will do ANYTHING to avoid talking about the problems of car infrastructure and their country as a whole. it's deflection from the first post. it's quite remarkable.
I will never take europeans seriously when they screech about burgers being fat when there's a 99% probability that the person making that claim so some equally disgusting and morbidly obese bong tbh
>bump limit
See you guys in the next /misc/ v /leftypol/ shit flinging thread that doesn't even pretend to be about video games! Should be up within the next hour!
what do they eat?
hardees
Even though the distance is much longer than just turning right on the intersection but still how is this 3hours? Do you drive like 10km/h ?
5km/h actually
>American brain cannot comprehend that you might want to WALK somewhere close by
why would you ever walk? you poor or something?
I'm not fat so I can
Okay see you in 8 hours, enjoy your meal
I guess you missed the part where that google maps picture is giving the WALKING directions. The driving directions are 7 min.
>Non Americans cannot comprehend that you might be able to take a non government mandated path
>drives on a freeway
The only time I get on the freeway is when I make my trip from Miami to PA to hang with my family every June.
cuck
>Resorts to adhom because he realized his argument didn't actually exist
>NOOO YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR PLANS AND CHOOSE A DIFFERENT DESTINATION MID-TRANSIT! MUTT! MUTT! DO AMERICANS REALLY?!??!
Should be fine as long as they connect to arterial roads, or "stroads" as seething pedestrians like to cry about. Cities Skylines used to have an AI issue where they'd all line up in a single lane, but you can fix that with mods.
Maybe that person wanted to walk next to highway, but it would be considered "jaywalking"
Jaywalking became a term to ridicule people who didn't yield to car in middle of city streets. Cars literally took the streets from humans.
Jaywalking is crossing a road at a place other than the intersection, numbnuts.
And? It used to be normal. Cars had to give way for people EVERYWHERE. Back when cities were for people and not for cars.
>It used to be normal
Bro, it still is.
Just get your license already
>non government mandated path
What you mean roads?
Can you go offroading on a train?
>burger education
Trains run on rails not roads so by definition they are always offroad.
There's a Texas Roadhouse literally like 10 minutes away and a Publix about the same distance from there.
>virgin 7 minute car ride
>chad 3 hour powerwalk
>anon's journey to hardee's
why the frick is a walking route a giant 3 hour long meandering squiggle?
Probably lack of side and cross walks
Because that's the only route that actually allows pedestrian traffic.
Because moronic muttoids still build cities for cars instead of humans. No wonder they are so fat.
There's no way there isn't just some dirt path or back alley that would cut that down to a 20 minute walk, especially with a college right fricking there. College animals will tear down brick walls to get a faster path at food.
>You can't get there from here
is walking on freeways or highways illegal?. I might've done it once but i was nervous since i thought i was being a massive fricking dumbass but that was my only choice since i was in an unfamiliar city and didn't have mobile data so google maps only shows driving paths offline
why is american urban planning so dogshit? you can't fricking walk anywhere.
BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE CARS YOU BROKE ASS YUROSHIT
Why does that have to do with anything?
>No one wants to walk if they have the option of driving.
Is this what Americans actually believe?
>america can't afford to properly plan cities
>but it's the euros that are poor
lmao
No one wants to walk if they have the option of driving. Also, that pic looks nice.
That pic only looks nice from above, but can you fly?
At least we have bridges to walk across highways.
>That pic only looks nice from above, but can you fly?
I just drank a Redbull, so yes.
>No one wants to walk if they have the option of driving
What the hell?
Driving or getting a ride is the last option for me.
Bicycle > Walking > Transit > Car
And ususally walking and transit is the same, but anyone can walk 5km easily. Longer than that and it is a bike or transit trip. I am mega obese and I can walk that everyday.
Car is usually for something very specific like giving a ride for 3 people to middle of woods or cottage trip etc.
>Also, that pic looks nice
Americans have strange taste
>No one wants to walk if they have the option of driving
Lmao
americans really are stupid and insular enough to think things like that. it's not bait.
It's actually amazing. I don't even bike to the supermarket because it's slightly too close to be worth unlocking and locking my bike. How are these people treating getting a fricking car going as a luxury. It's annoying and if possible I never want to do it.
>that pic looks nice.
do Americans really? It'd be fricking miserable living that close to a loud highway.
Because your currency is going straight into the shitter 🙂
>Said the American with a failing economy
>f-frick cars!
Just walk on the highway bro.
i dont understand the webm
why wouldn't you just walk straight under here? are am*ricans so braindead that they follow everything that google-sensei tells them to do?
You'd be walking through a bunch of PRIVATE PROPERTY: TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT zones anon.
>walk around in america
>get shot
>walk next to a freeway
>get run over
...do americans really...?
Are you seriously asking why people don't walk in freeways?
It's because they don't want to fricking die.
Go look at the map. You can't walk under it because it is on ground-level.
Also there aren't any pedestrian walkways anywhere when I looked from streetview.
Uh they trade with caravans and scavenge pre-war food from ruins? It's pretty obvious.
Stuff from the supermarket.
McDonnalds like every other mutt
Bugs
Is it true that burgers don't know how to use them?
No. There are plenty where I live in the US. They're becoming more popular, especially the two-lane ones.
The entitled ones like to drive the wrong way around it, and few things are more entitled than an impatient american
Don't make your fricking blocks so long
I don't know how people could live in that and not go insane.
what? americans are healthy!
a white woman's greatest fear is accountability
>white
I think every woman suffers from the same.
would frick
>modern republican sees a black
Many such cases
>karen
That's just a Woman Moment.
That's just a woman who don't know her place.
what in the frick is happening here?
Probably a woman that always got what she wanted by seething until her dad bought her whatever she wants
I saw the full video recently. She and some black chick were arguing about something or other in a lingerie store, then the white girl tried to push the black one, then she started to scream and yell and cry and act like she was being stalked by a murderous rapist or some shit, went on for literally 15 minutes and she kept saying she was having a panic attack while everyone else ignored her and the black woman recorded everything
iirc she was fired from her job after the clip went viral
>black got fired
based Karen
no, the karen got fired.
why are women like this. Why do they wake up and just go out and become someone's serious problem?
Boredom.
Women are scary. How do you remain calm in such a situation?
I'm too autistic to embrace the "never hit women" so I'd probably punch her in the mouth
Even if she was coming at you and you record her many times law will still be on her side just keep that in mind (not that you would be wrong to do so imo)
I'm too autistic to surrender my liberty for defending myself so I'd probably punch the cop in the mouth
thank christ the only time i ever hit a woman was when i was a minor. b***h stole 10 bucks i was going to use to buy a mouse and wouldn't give it back, she was trying to flaunt it infront of me thinking i'll just keep telling her to please give it back so i jumped on her and bit her hand until she let go of the bill. I suplexed the same girl later in gym class because she was being a c**t and played it off as a joke since i was the class clown
you act like the person recording: collect evidence, state you dindu nothing, prepare to defend yourself if needed
as soon as someone confronting you starts acting like that you should know they're not a serious threat. The more they scream and try to put others against you, the weaker they are.
You should worry about the silent people confronting you, because they're confident they can kick your ass and need zero help to do it.
The dog that barks doesn't bite?
pertty much, yes
Rape
How can I fix her?
pic but I'd advice on just finding and conditioning a younger model assuming you yourself think is the norm.
hahahhahaHAAHAHAHA, by eating McDonalds and food that's 2 weeks old
>thinly veiled "do americans really?" b8 thread
This exact thread was made yesterday too. I'm pretty jannies just turn blind eyes to off topic threads they like.
You just now noticed?
I'd do the same if I were a janny tbh
Growth/Effeciency aren't the end-all OP. Just build and watch the world go by.
This isn't actually a real place right? It's photoshopped right?
That's the American Dream™
that's florida m8
rotaries
as soul-crushing as this cookie-cutter bullshit is, it's sad that modeling it in C:S would take ages purely because that game can't do non-rectangular lots
Have you tried adding more lanes?
Man i hope gas hits 15 a gallon so we can finally get some high speed rail
But that's communism.
It's okay the train companies will be privatized and collapse within 10 years.
steam is pretty sustainable
>we will never go back to the beauty of art deco
They're literally adding DLC to cars and people are eating that shit up.
Gas could go to $20 a gallon and Americans would still drive everywhere. The consoomer-ism is too entrenched in the American psyche for them to even consider anything else.
It's the blessing of Space. America never had the problems that European states face. Think about how long it takes to drive from one end of France to the other. Now, think about how long it would take to drive from Seattle to Miami
>Blessed with abundants amounts of unused land
>make large swathes of NOTHING but residential single family homes so everyone HAS to drive to even get to the nearest store
It's just bad use of space, they made and marketed single family homes as the only way to live so banks can sell mortgages to make money
>America never had the problems that European states face.
I guess if you don't have problems you create them.
It's not about space, it's about doing everything in one's power to get as far away from blacks as possible.
Not true. Developers will build far away from white communities because they don't want to be close to competing developers
the most hilarious part about all of this is that the entire american economy since world war 2 has been propped up by the petro-dollar which is the sole reason that gas is (was) so cheap in the US and a major reason why suburban sprawl was possible and that's all quickly disappearing as people are finally realising that sustaining that sort of system is impossible because it's a literal ponzi scheme
big changes coming soon i think
Yea it has nothing to do with not being allowed to produce our own energy
because energy can just be produced for no cost right? Gasoline especially, just make it!
>what is supply and demand?
I don't expect commies to be good at economics but this is literally first paragraph learning
Do you think oil price is dependent on natural supply/demand situation?
The oil countries literally have a council where they regulate the production of oil to keep the price high.
But hey any country can just make gasoline right? Just make it
Do you think oil production isn't dependent on government?
Domestic oil production is being purposefully hampered.
Any country that can produce oil can produce gasoline, we do it here already you silly commie goose
What happens when it costs you more to drive to work than you actually earn from your job?
You try living in a country where one province is the size of two European nations, driving everywhere isn't a choice.
Ford fricked the US by lobbying against trains so everyone would be forced to use cars. Now mass transit is mostly used by low class people and literally ruins every area of connects to.
>and literally ruins every area of connects to
Lulz.
>Be American
>Take out a loan to buy a 500k $ suburban house of your own
>City council extends a bus route into your area
>Now, whenver Tyrone exits the bus near your home, your property value falls down by 1k
>Before long, you will be forced to pay any potential buyer to even begin to consider taking your house off your hands
Yup. I made sure to not buy property anywhere near a city (nigs) to avoid this possibility.
you can't. the game is unfinished broken mess. don't forget to buy all our DLC's btw
>NNNNNOOOOOOOO SYMMETRY AND ORGANIZATION IS LE BAD
not necessarily but cookie cutter houses made out of paper mache are
Dude American has a housing price crisis, you really want to make houses even more expensive by mandating they need to be built with nuclear bunker structural integrity?
I want houses to be built with the idea that people instead of nameless, faceless banks and corporations will own them.
there's plenty of houses they're just being bought up by greedy fricks
also I'd really like to have proper insulation in my house thanks
I'm sure what you pictured happens all over the American North.
no, it absolutely does not
t. lived in new england my whole life
that only happens in southern housing because they don't expect those temperature swings
This man tells the truth. People in the South think ice and snow happen to other people. In the late 70's my dad was in Georgia for basic training (he comes from Indiana) it sleeted a bit and then had about an inch and a half of snow on top. Dad knew what was coming so watched an intersection near where he was having breakfast. Car comes to the intersection, slams on brakes, skids into the open. Next car slides into him, next, next. Five cars ended up in a pile. He told that fricking story till he died.
b***h you live in silent hill, run.
How the frick do you run away from Silent Hill, Dumbass?
No, our houses are built specifically to retain the heat. Which makes summer a pain in the ass if you don't have HVAC or AC.
Yesterday I just read books and played Xbox 360 because having my PC on was increasing the temperature from a SWELTERING 30 degrees to, I dunno, 32.
Houses are prohibitively expensive because of the financial system and the speculative aspect of housing.
The lacking of trees or parks puts me out.
americans be like
>hmm i think i'll go for a walk today
dat ass
>dude, what's up with that little jeep?
>is it going to suddenly drive off and hit someone?
>is someone going to try and steal it?
>oh shit, is that man in the orange shirt going to hop in and drive off?
>oh...the webm is just about the woman falling...
A guy is in there and it transforms when people get too close
fricking hell i smeared my monitor in coffee
people falling over who have no self protective instincts are just too funny
i swear to god there are 2 versions of this video, one where the jeep is kid wearing a transformers costume and the other is of the lardass falling and i can never tell which one is gonna happen
I remember the transformers one too. I wanna see it again.
I prefer the transformer version
What I find really odd is why they don't just put a grocery store or two in there.
I know it's impossible legally, the area is marked as single-home buildings only and anything deviating from that is illegal, but why? It just seems like creating inconvenience on purpose to me.
Because car companies wanted more money so they changed the laws to basically force people to use cars more
It’s reverse logic. They think that rich people live far away from any conveniences and utilities, therefore they are living in more luxury if they don’t have to see any businesses or public spaces near their house. When the fact of the matter is having the luxury of not having to go out and get food constantly is why rich people live further away from businesses.
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE MY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY RAN BY CORPORATIONS AND CULTISTS
Are you the same person and if so why do you post like this?
t. lard
If you're not a fatass then just walk, butthole.
I love how suburbs make people seethe. You just know that the people complaining about suburbs are posting it from their Manhattan walk-in-closets they pay $2000 for every month. And at the same time they'll complain about housing prices and evil landlords, while doing the legwork for blackrock and co to ensure that no-one will be able to afford more than said walk-in closet.
Theres enough space in america to get everyone a 2000sq ft house. There is no need to live in pods.
People don't like them because they're DOGSHIT civil design and in no small part force a reliance on cars.
They're only dogshit according to the hivemind that is the "city planning YouTube community". Suburbs serve a very real purpose. The issue is very strict zoning that makes it impossible to put up, say, a corner store in the suburb so that you could walk to one instead of having to just go to a grocery store. Newer builds lean towards having some small businesses and schools built into the community
>so that you could walk to one
plenty of suburbs make this very difficult, is the point.
Yeah I don't care about whatever third world shithole you're from, that doesn't make suburbs where you have to drive for frequent necessities any less terrible. There's so much better layouts that you could have that don't force you to use a car to get some milk that defending them makes you look like a cretin
get fricked. 99% of people on the entire planet spend their lives dreaming about owning a house instead of their tiny apartments, but will never afford one. And if it weren't for the narcissistic single households, the "reliance on cars" would be ridiculous to even complain about.
I've been to a lot of places in the world, and as soon as you leave the big urban centres there's no other way than cars. In most small towns it's considered a blessing to even have a store to buy food around because everything else is not reachable by foot or bike. Not every small town has a cinema, a hospital, a doctors office, a hardware store, a pharmacy or any other places. This goes double for any place in mountainous regions. I've seen the bus schedules that go once every few hours or switching lines 3 times. Noone who's ever been outside of the big cities would EVER complain about cars. It's just the cancerous urbanites that moved out of their containment zones and they now realize that the rest of the world isn't designed around daily meetings at barcades.
I live in a single family home that is a 5 minute walk away from a shopping centre and a train/bus station that connects to every single place in the entire country
You don't know shit about the world
>a train/bus station that connects to every single place in the entire country
City slicker confirmed. Or are we talking about one of those micronations and city-states?
Clearly the situation of someone in i.e. Copenhagen is completely different from someone in Warsaw.
And that single family home will have to go anon. Clearly you're using way too much resources with that thing.
NTA, but I live in a 3rd world country and my town has constant train connection to Capital, around every 30min. There are few bus lines that do loop around the centre before going to different directions towards city or somewhere with even less people.
People here of course still owns cars and drives them. But many just walk, bike, or use public transit.
And this is in a small irrelevant 3rd world country according to Americans.
It is strange that USA has monetary and budget problems when it comes to giving a decent public transit or giving proper walkable areas.
americans seem terrified to use public transport
Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out. We have it in our big cities like NYC, Chicago, Phoenix, and so on, but that's about the only time it's viable. It's simply not feasible for cross-country or even cross-state travel.
why the frick is New England bent like you broke America's arm or something
Mercator projection nonsense
>95% of Americans drive to work in the same town every day because it's a big country
It's not an issue for people who live in cities and do have public transit. Loads of people still live outside of cities. Cities also need to hit critical mass before public transit becomes viable. Tiny Gaylord, Michigan doesn't have the population to sustain public transit.
Not every European city or town has public transit, either. When you get outside of the largest cities in the country, the public transportation infrastructure becomes very tenuous very fast. America is just much larger and has many more areas where the population density is not high enough to make public transit options viable.
>Tiny Gaylord, Michigan doesn't have the population to sustain public transit.
Yeah but you stupid muppets have satellite cities of several hundred thousand people without a single fricking bus line.
Not true at all. Buses are the one thing America doesn't skimp out on
>Buses are the one thing America doesn't skimp out on
American busing systems are dogshit lmao.
Most people still live in cities
They don't you mong
About 200 million of them live in "incorporated areas" and 76% have less then 5,000 people
>Public transit doesn't work in the US because everyone is spread out
Nobody is saying "You need have a train connection between NY and LA every 30min". But you can barely move inside your own town/city with public transit. Especially if you live away from the town or city centre.
At least make a proper public transit netwerk inside the states and then work to connect them.
I am pretty fricking sure that USA, the most powerful nation in the world, has money and resources for it. If you can expand highways constantly, then you have money to slap some railways. You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent so I am pretty fricking sure you can do it with 2020s budget and technology in one state.
>You did it in fricking 1800s across the whole fricking contintent
With slave labor. Once workers started needing competitive pay, health insurance, and retirement America stopped building and that's why everything is falling apart
?
america still uses slave labor using inmates from the prison system
Prison slaves generally create create loosely regulated textiles not government regulated infrastructure.
nothing stopping them from doing that
the government doesn't follow the law
I'm sure they do it so they prisoners don't leave jail with an actual marketable skill like construction; if you just make license plates all day for 10 years you can't turn it into a job when you leave, but pothole repair is a union job
You ever notice how slowly that happens? It takes 8 years to build 5 miles of road because of bureaucratic bloat and money scams (the long it takes the longer the workers get paid etc). America is so rich but has no high speed rail like bullet trains, most of the country still has no access to high speed internet, every road is a pothole ridden mess, old art deco/gothicstyle buildings meant to stand for centuries are buildings are falling into decay.
All because labor ain't free anymore .
States are constantly throwing money at MOAR LANES projects because they're subsidised with federal money. Which is also why they're bleeding money now, because old streets need to be maintained now.
Also no one wants to put care into existing infrastructure, cause you can't show off with that.
USA seems to have more than enough money to slap more and more lanes to highways tho. Estimated cost around $2 billion dollars btw.
But man, walkable infastructure and trains. Those are too pricey. We just don't have money or resources for that. Anyway lets bulldoze some apartments, schools and businesses for our highway hell!
>cablemanagement.jpg
Seeing how US has money to spend on stuff like 300$ per normal standardized bolt in Aircraft Carriers, it doesnt seem like "labor costs too much" issue. Theres plenty of money to go around. The issue seems to be elsewhere in decision-making process.
well we can't stop making carriers, Think of all the job's that well be lost
>With slave labor
As the other Anon said, prison system. You also have much efficient building methods, machinery etc.
>Once workers started needing competitive pay, health insurance, and retirement America stopped building and that's why everything is falling apart
Aww man. That is why there aren't any new highways, suburbs or such built anymore. That really sucks.
Wait...
Also, isn't it strange that other countries can afford to build railways and public infastructure but not USA.
Is USA that poor?
Using government money to benefit the lives of Americans gets you beheaded in America.
Lmao your gay "walkable city" only exists so rich people can use government funds for wars and diversity programs instead of supporting a big, comfy house for you and your family, see
That's why I'll never give a single frick about efficiency.
God I never used to get the "remember where we parked" jokes in like, the simpsons as a kid.
Things like allocating money for public transport are voted on by city residents during the ballots.
Often times, these propositions get voted down.
My city for example just passed a proposition for expanding the light rail system here. But a big chunk of the city is against it because of things like increasing property taxes, the amount of construction, cost and demolishing of businesses etc to make room for the new lines.
Why is cross-state travel not feasible in the US but feasible in the EU?
What excuse is there for us not having highly developed public transit throughout the more populated east coast?
We don't need to run trains all over the mid-west, the problem is even our more dense regions favor the car over all else
Never heard of Amtrak I presume. It's very commonly used by the black community in the NE, which is why no one else uses it and you probably never realized it existed.
Amtrak has a self feeding problem. It doesn't own the rails it runs on, and the rail owner gives priority to cargo traffic. Meaning Amtrak is always late, usually more than doubling the estimated travel time. This uncertainty with travel times means you can't practically use it for regular travel like commuting to work - no workplace in the states is going to be ok with the kind of delays Amtrak has. No commuters means pretty low usage rate in general, which both Amtrak and the private companies that own the rail use as a justification to keep passenger traffic depriorized. To turn Amtrak into something reliable you'd need passenger volumes big enough that delays would cause a shitstorm, which you can't get before the service is reliable.
you've just explained the issue with public transport in america. It works in countries like Japan because people there are sensible and have respect for one another. America is full of Black folk, spics, rednecks and other mouthbreathers who can't behave like a decent human being. That's why america will never have good public transport
No one lives in at least half the area of the US. Russia is even bigger and still manages to have public transport in the cities and even a railway connecting the east with the west.
False. US is well developed. Most of it is farmland, though, so it looks like there is a lot of land until you account for millions of acre of corn to grow biofuels
If we're going the "NO SPACE CUZ FARMING" way, then any evil suburban sprawl in the desert is literally hurting noone.Chances are you could probably be self sufficient with solar in NV or AZ.
I don't think suburban sprawl is a problem. Farm takes up more space than all of the suburbs combined. Let alone pasture range.
Also, I live in Arizona, and no, you can't be self-sufficient with solar. Even out here it takes about 8 years to meet ROI on installing solar panels on your house. Solar is a fricking terrible energy source. Nuclear is much better, but the solar cucks don't want us to use it.
>Farm takes up more space than all of the suburbs combined.
Farms aren't in the middle of cities.
Suburbs aren't, either. They form a ring around the city
>. They form a ring around the city
Yeah, and farms don't. Not sure how you couldnt deduce that from my post.
why did we put all our golf courses in south carolina
By self-suffifiency I meant could you run your day 2 day appliances like A/C and stuff off of solar? Not necessarily PV, but even piping water through black pipes to heat it up? Sure it might be expensive, but it could at least make sense. Doesn't make too much sense in Maine.
Now that being said I can't wait for the EAT THE BUGS crowd to come along because of the many pastures. I wonder why the environmentalists don't have a hardon for pastures because it's an incredibly natural way of keeping livestock compared to industrial stables.
So this is what operation stardust was targeting.
So why doesn't public transport work in your big cities either? You've got some of the biggest in the world, and they've got shit all public stuff.
The answer's that you used to have world class, highly advanced for the time systems, before car companies bought and dismantled them. Lots of your big cities had streetcars, many were building expansive metro networks, but car companies didn't want the competition. All this "too spread out" nonsense is propaganda to justify public-hostile actions after the fact.
There are plenty of public transit options in the cities. They just don't go into the suburbs because the suburban people don't want them to. It's not as advanced as in Japan or Europe because we have high car ownership rates, but plenty of Americans in San Francisco, NYC, Chicago, and etc don't own cars because they don't need or want to.
Chicken and the egg, buddy. Is your bad public transit caused by the car ownership rates, or is the high car ownership caused by shit public transport and prevalence of single family detached housing (suburbs)? I'm thinking it's the latter, but I'm no expert.
>prevalence of single family detached housing
Caused by high crime rates due to minorities.
Really? Is crime really the reason for all the suburban sprawl? I can see it being the reason for the gated communities, that makes perfect sense, but I don't think most detached housing suburbs are gated.
No, but most criminals are urban and find it difficult to make it very far in a suburb to commit a crime.
So it's not a causal relationship, but a helpful side effect? I can buy that.
Also, america is frick all "spread out". It is highly centralized around cities. Like 95% of European cities with extensive public transit would barely qualify as a small town in US, much less a city. It is exactly US that would benefit most from mass transit: high capacity rail for those high-capacity boring 5h drives between states on the motorway, and more localized metro/bus/biking network for cities. Very few culturally important or historic places too: as building motorways has shown, it is no problem to mow down entire blocks of city to make room for freeways. US is literally a textbook experience on where to implement public transit effectively.
This is also like #1 bookcase example or case study in nearly all city planning schools, so anyone saying "it wouldnt work here" without good reasoning is outing themselves away as someone with zero experience on the matter. No offense to previous poster intended, as this is vidya game board.
>Like 95% of European cities with extensive public transit would barely qualify as a small town in US
Tokyo is bigger than any city in the USA by orders of magnitude and it has some of the best city planning and public transportation on earth.
maybe america would improve if they nuked themselves
They did, one of the few countries crazy enough to do that. Euros were clever enough to do their a-bomb tests in some tropical islands in the ass end of nowhere. America? They just blew theirs up in the middle of New Mexico.
My argument was that US has big enough cities, and the "sparsely populated" argument is moot. I have no idea whether you were for or against, especially since you brought up Japan which is literally on other side of the globe. Did you misunderstand me or were you trying to elaborate on my point? Please work more on putting your thoughts into understandable sentences.
The point was, that big US cities have shit transport and are still designed with cars in mind and it is a problem
>It is highly centralized around cities
It's not the Census Bureau has stated that around 200 million people live in "incorporated areas" and most of those areas have less the 5,000 people.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/05/america-a-nation-of-small-towns.html
Based Dwight. I thank him every day I drive. Truly one of our greatest presidents.
Thanks for providing source. Do you have any EU countries (roughly equal in size to states) for comparison?
>99% of people on the entire planet spend their lives dreaming about owning a house instead of their tiny apartments
>I've been to a lot of places in the world
so what do those poor african villagers think about owning their own homes?
>Theres enough space
Why is it that people who defend suburbia always have zero knowledge about city planning?
Sure, on paper there might be enough space to house every american in a 2000sq ft home but the economics of that would obliterate the economy and shatter the country completely because suburbs would suck up nearly all government resources
Just build more suburbs and sell the homes you build to make up for the deficit of your existing suburbs.
This is literally how american cities work btw.
Yes good goy, live in a pod and don't forget to pay your rent on time.
And wow thanks for that unbiased source. Blows my mind how my non-existent subway, library and $5 cinema tickets are somehow more expensive than the NYC subway, public libraries and broadway shows.
>unbiased source
when it comes to city planning debates, there is no such thing as an unbiased opinion but hey, if you enjoy wasting money then you can keep defending suburban sprawl all you want
Is pic related implying bottom is worse?
I don't know why you're having trouble understanding what it's implying
Not having to use the common area for a bbq
you misunderstand. my point was that there is no need to live like bugmen either in a suburban sprawl or a podtower. That being said the quality of life in a suburb is much higher than a podtower unless you're into barcades and the "hustle and bustle".
The point is that roads and cars are, the further you go away from urban centers not a luxury but a necessity. Which is what you hate. And thus you want suburbs to be more like the cities you know and love. I want suburbs to be more like rural places. Farms and Fields. But that's le bad, because you'd need a car to go places.
>my point was that there is no need to live like bugmen either in a suburban sprawl or a podtower
that is the ultimate point of these threads and the modern city planning debate in general
>That being said the quality of life in a suburb is much higher than a podtower
debatable based on the location
>The point is that roads and cars are, the further you go away from urban centers not a luxury but a necessity
see above
Yeah so some people want to live with the comfort of their cars, others don't. Let's be friends and have the car haters live over there, and the car users live over here. No reason to bulldoze the roads over here to shit because you don't want any. And to make it fair we'll get rid of all the road taxes and handle everything over tolls instead. Same for the subway, public transport and everything else. Don't use it? Don't pay for it. simple as.
>Let's be friends and have the car haters live over there, and the car users live over here
this is where things become murky
i am a huge car enthusiast and i hate car-centric sprawl almost more than anything because it limits my enjoyment of the car so where do i belong?
Well clearly you'll need access to roads with your car then, so you could live in car country. Or you could live with the car haters and take a train ride or walk into car country where your car is in a storage unit to use your car on weekends.
Like I enjoy boats. I fricking wish we'd turn the mexican border into a cross american canal so I could live in Arizona on my boat. But that wouldn't make a lot of sense. So I either live close to the sea or live in AZ and drive/fly/walk to the coast.
This man has to get into a car to get sustenance and thinks it is a good life
i would gladly pay double to not have black neighbors
that's kind of the whole point
well then you better build a time machine and go back in time to stop the southerners for wanting to keep slaves in america
i wish i could
>These /misc/troon threads have been popping up for every day over the course of the past couple of months
>Mods do nothing about it
Rope
If you make one about yurostan though, it gets pruned almost immediately
Mods are too busy dilating and banning actual video game posts to actually do their job
Frick off commies you're not taking my car, I'm not going to live in a cuckpod and get harrassed by Black folk in a train. When fuel gets too expensive guess what's going to happen? We're just gonna get electric cars.
>When fuel gets too expensive guess what's going to happen? We're just gonna get electric cars.
do those electric car production facilities run solely on electric power too or do they use fuel?
Nuclear Powered Cars timeline
sell your car and buy a gun you dumb frick
With Cobalt and Lithium coming from the famous infinite mines.
>I'm not going to live in a cuckpod and get harrassed by Black folk in a train.
Are there any vids of blacks trolling suburbanites by simply strolling through their orderly neighbourhoods of cookie-cutter homes?
Suburbanite Amerimutt cargays seem to be terrified of their mere existence, let alone proximity.
shoot wrong thread...
pack it up son, you're going to jail now for the crime you've committed
I don't know about skylines, but in sim city your silver bullet was to avoid grids like the plague since the AI gets confused easily.
If you are a bad enough dude try making a city with ONLY one road.
I find it funny how some people have these seething incel rage moments over... the suburbs.
According to americans, criticism over their terrible city planning is the same thing as a "seething incel rage moment"
Enjoy the gas prices
Because you keep making threads about on Ganker
>Suburbs live rent free in bugman that they have to seethe about them on Ganker
>33
>Live in NYC
>No license or car
>No intent of ever getting one
>Ride e-bike and subway everywhere
Cars are a scam. Imagine paying ~$600/month on something I'd only use on the weekends
You're a rentoid, what do you know
Nah I own my condo
Car note- ~$300
Insurance for first time rider in their 30s living in the South Bronx- ~$320
Parking in downtown Manhattan- ~$900/month
That's not including gas, maintenance, EZ Pass, etc. And there's nowhere to even park on my block so I'd up walking a quarter mile to it anyway,
Holy kek, New Yorkers live like this and call us savages? Parking is free, insurance is light (unless you're a 16 - 26 year old male), and maintenance is cheap.
We don't live like this and take mass transit instead. Only people with families/drug dealers/actual rich people have cars in the city. I'm sure even in your backwater you've heard about the 24/7 mass transit service here; there's no space for 8 million people to have cars
>$600/month
The absolute state
I live in AZ and spend about $280 - $320 even with the $5.50 a gallon gas. You'd have to have a 50+ mile a day commute to even near that expense with current gas prices.
>If you like cars that means you're fat
Ah yes it's cars that have been causing obesity and not all the crap in the food
>Car is going through the lane backwards
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
how does that even work? do they drop down from the ceiling and deliver it to you in the other lanes or something?
there's a kiosk to the left of the pickup lanes, I imagine you pull up when your order is ready, give them your order number, and somebody walks out to your car with it
either that or there's some kind of underground dumb waiter thing that brings your order to the kiosk, but that seems a bit too expensive/high maintenance for a shitty fastfood place
It's one component of many, yes.
Cars have been around for 130 years now. Why is it only within the past 30 years that obesity has spiked? Why weren't the Greatest Generation fat? They loved cars back then too.
>could it be both of these things are contributing
>NO ITS JUST THE ONE I DONT LIKE
You can't stop me from owning property.
>NO YOU CAN'T OWN CARS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME FAT BECAUSE I SAID SO
No anon you can't own things that makes you a COONSUMER now please by the metro pass it's for your own good.
Listen numbnuts, cars never caused obesity in the past. Not in the 1900s, not in the 1920s, not in the 1940s, not in the 1960s, not in the 1980s. Obesity has only become a problem starting in the 1990s. It couldn't be cars, since they never caused obesity in the prior 100 years of existence.
Being fat is fricking based. Only city slickers think being noodle thin is good.
>And this... is to cope... even further beyond!
>*angry knee pain noises*
top kek
Samegay.
yeah you caught me bro
of all the posts in this thread i could samegay i do it to one that actually has some comedic appeal
Shut up, samegay.
make me
LMAO struck a nerve fatty? Maybe if you eat less and move more that 6/10 cashier at Walmart might notice you
>*angry knee pain noises*
City slickers are fat fricks. They literally have no room to walk around in without getting stabbed, and eat nothing but processed garbage.
This. Girls think of their fathers when they see a fat guy, it gets their pussy wet
They loved cars but they still walked quite a bit, as cars weren't as convenient as today, and the urban layout was a little bit different too.
Also, again, it's one factor of many.
I love cars, I really do. They are some of the coolest collection of machinery created by humanity to use in day to day life. The breadth of designs and styles, all that. But living a life where you are, for the most part, dependent on having a car for the simplest things, comes with drawbacks and o upsides.
Walking diminished dramatically throughout the early 1900s. Cars were the go-to mode of transportation by the early 1940s. Car-centric design cropped up for returning soldiers in 1945 - 1950. There's still a 40 year time gap before the obesity bomb drops.
The real issue is our diets. Calories in, calories out. Walking barely burns any calories, and even if you walked 2 hours a day you still would have a calorie surplus from 1 (ONE) big gulp
How about drinking water instead of soda?
That's the point. It's the stuff we eat that causes the health issues, not cars. You can be healthier than someone who walks 30 minutes a day by just choosing healthier food options.
Walking and biking is more about keeping your system up and running than burning calories, health is a lot more complex than just calories in - calories out
It really isn't the complex. Even sedentary people can be thinner than more active people, they just have to reduce what they eat by a lot. Yes, exercise is important, but ultimately it's all calories in, calories out.
Absolutely, but if you want to lose weight without your musculature going first you better make sure to work out a lot as you cut down on calories
Yeah, calories in - calories out is just for weight gain and loss. Which is an important part of being healthy, but far from the only one.
It's a feedback loop
Americans are doomed because of corn.
Everything is GMO corn, even their sugar is just corn syrup.
And the worst part is that they don't even use all the gigatonnes of corn they grow every year. A large chunk of it is just destroyed to make ethanol or whatever it's called, which besides being a massive sinkhole of money and effort is also a net negative for the environment.
Their government is literally paying farmers to grow crops and then destroy them. On an industrial scale.
>a large chunk of it is destroyed to make ethanol or whatever it's called
>or whatever it's called
8/10 got mad
>Pay money to throw away money
That is literally every aspect of america, they build massive parking lots and roads using money they don't have and go into massive debts when it's time to maintain said roads since those roads and parking lots don't create any taxable income yet cost significantly more money to maintain then some decades old corner store that would be illegal to make today
Look up how your cities looked like 30 years ago
>Americans Americans Americans
I to obsess over place I don't live in
embrace commie blocks.
that and centralized public transportation.
No.
Just build medium density and kill all landlords
why do Americans seem so afraid of their neighbours and community as a whole?
Because we're from the stock of euros that weren't subservient cucks
wat
Because you don't know what you're talking about.
My neighbor was over last night and had a beer when he returned my lawn mower. Half the block got together on the 4th to grill and shoot fireworks.
About the closest any of us see to conflict is during whatever tournament season it is and a couple of the guys bantering over liking the wrong team.
>neighbors going to Palm Springs for the weekend
>tell me I can go over and use their pool, already have their keys
Fricking love my street, every one of my neighbors is great except for the schizo that lives at the end of the block.
Why do any of that shit when you can just get in a car and drive? Trains are moronic lol.
>all that effort to airbrush the face and torso but completely forgot the hands
>You have live in cities with high crime and inflation
>Why?
>Because it's "efficient" think about the HECKIN "environmentrino"
Inflation is a function of economic and financial policies and crime is fueled by spatial wealth segregation.
Inflation hits cities harder for whatever ungodly reason. Prices rise faster in NYC than in upstate New York.
Also, 9.1% inflation is a lie. Using pre-1980 metrics, it's around 20 - 40% inflation depending on where you live.
I live in suburbia and lived for a while in Boston
Genuinely enjoyed my time living there without a car, except when it came to shopping for groceries
I guess you're supposed to go grocery shopping twice a week so your cargo doesnt get so big that you need a car (or a fricking Uber) to get it home...
Oof, those manhands. This is what city slickers (gays) think is attractive.
>YOU VILL NOT SET UP ZE SMALL SHOP NEAR THE 100000000000 COPYPASTED HOUSES
Land of the free
I'm sure glad there are no /n/iggers in this thread.
Go back to Ganker if you want a carbrain hugbox safe space free from criticism.
Go back 2 reddit if you want a busbrain hugbox safe space free from criticism.
/n/ exists because urban design gays kept getting uppity and wanted to talk about trains and got mad and b***hed to moot about make their own board. Also Ganker gays don't make off topic threads seething about Americans. If they want to make fun of Americans they talk about German and Japanese cars.
>There are people who actually are proud of living in crime ridden shitholes like NYC and Boston
ironically america would be an irrelevant kazakhstan tier country without those crime ridden shithole cities
i felt pretty safe when i lived in Cambridge
Town population and median income, right now homosexual
>lives in some big metro gravy belt that wouldn't exist without cities and without policies fricking over cities to enable gravy belts like 80% of Americans
>FRICK CITIES
where do they get their groceries?
Grocery store is 7 - 10 minutes away by car.
CITIES WERE A MISTAKE
RETURN TO SMALL TOWNS
THE INTERNET HAS RENDERED HIGH DENSITY HOUSING POINTLESS, REMOVE CITIES, REMOVE SUBURBS, TEAR IT DOWN, EMBRACE RURAL LIVING
The Sysyphean task of every femboy is to get as close to fem as possible
soft chin
soft shoulders
...soft hands
Would still kiss his hands
Jesus Christ he has more wrinkles on his hand than my grandfather.
Not sure what you are talking about
he doesnt even polish his fricking nails
fricks sake
this has to have been done on purpose
>you WILL pay for gas
>you WILL pay for parking
>you WILL pay for insurance
>you WILL wait in line at the DMV so we can register your fingerprints
>you WILL drive past the traffic cameras
>you WILL spend trillions fighting to control oil sources
>you WILL tip the traffic cop and thank him for his service 🙂
>you WILL make government-mandated parking spots outside your small business
I have no idea how cars became a symbol of freedom when they're one of the most regulated things on the planet.
>I have no idea how cars became a symbol of freedom when they're one of the most regulated things on the planet.
as with most things, the idea became romanticised while the real thing became a nightmare
see: war
>you WILL pay for gas
>you WILL pay for parking
>you WILL pay for insurance
>you WILL wait in line at the DMV so we can register your fingerprints
>you WILL drive past the traffic cameras
>you WILL spend trillions fighting to control oil sources
>you WILL tip the traffic cop and thank him for his service 🙂
>you WILL make government-mandated parking spots outside your small business
And I will enjoy it while you cry and wait for the bus.
>Red diesel
>Glovebox full of unpaid parking tickets
>Uninsured
>No licence
Yup, it's gamer time.
>you WILL be taxed for public trains
>you WILL pay for the ticket too
>you WILL be banned from trains if you don't comply with house rules
>you WILL be banned from trains if you have covid
>you WILL be run through our facial recognition database 15 times before taking your seat
>we WILL stop train services as we please
>you WILL outsource all steel mill jobs abroad
>you WILL be eminent domained if we want a railroad.
Not me of course, I will enjoy my automated limousine service to my helipad where my helicopter will fly me through uncongested airspace to my private villa. I should be scared of the peasants rising up against me, but I have successfully convinced the cattle people that their way of life is better than mine. I turn on the TV to look at the security camera footage and chuckle as yet another homeless man takes a shit in the middle of the train cart and I think to myself "best $50 ever spent".
I used to live 2 miles away from work and I always wanted to buy one of those DIY helicopter kits you see in the back of popular mechanics and just fly to work.
that's a good way to get buttfricked by the FAA
The fact that my place was directly under the approach pattern for a private airport was the thing that stopped me.
Which was kind of neat too. I can understand trainspotters because you'd start to identify individual planes, and when they would usually take off and come back.
>>you WILL be banned from trains if you don't comply with house rules
incapable of not spazing out in public anon?
It's not about sperging out, but simple things like what can you carry onboard a train or bus without being in violation of the rules?
Like in the US firearms would be a problem, as in you aren't allowed to bring them onboard. More simpler items would be: no open containers of food or beverages allowed. I wasn't even allowed to bring a takeout bag onboard a bus in the UK once. Like I wasn't even eating it, just bringing it on board was no bueno.
>you WILL be run through our facial recognition database 15 times before taking your seat
not once in all my time taking a train has this ever been a thing
Might be different according to countries, but at least in the US, UK and Germany security cameras are omnipresent throughout train stations and trains. You don't think its still Dave watching 200 monitors in an office somewhere, do you? All that stuff is being handled automatically.
>Get an electric bike for 800 6 years ago
>Electricity costs me less than turning on my AC
>Friends and coworkers seethe about how I seem to always have money and always get to do whatever I want
>Tell them its literally just because I don't spend 1000+ on a car every month
>They freak out
>WhAt If YoU wAnT tO gO tO aNoUtHeR StAtE!?!?"
>Tell them literally everything I need is within 10 minutes of where I live and I have no interest in vacationing anywhere
>They get even madder
>Apparently my supervisor has a fricking hour and a half commute to work
>Gets super passive aggressive at my 7 minute commute
Instead of facing the fact that they all fell for a scam they freak out at anyone that did not fall for it.
That's basically any issue. Rarely do I see an American say "yeah, it sucks", not even the election system or prison system. Even when people make fun of aspects that should be unarguably bad like voting on a workday without getting time off or prisons being fuller than in China or Russia, you see people deflecting. It's insane.
americans are a bit special.
the internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>Even when people make fun of aspects that should be unarguably bad like voting on a workday without getting time off or prisons being fuller than in China or Russia
What you pointed out is meant to keep blacks out of the system, which amerisharts are willing to do even at the expense of themselves. No wonder that you will be met with screeching the instant you suggest a future where they will be seeing black people everyday.
Yeah, but I doubt every American is aware of that all the time. Especially not the voting on tuesday bit. Or that every one of them agrees with the methology used. "Oh boy, I sure love having to take a break from work just to stay in line to vote just so that blacks have slightly less power in politics!" Most of them are blissfully unaware that in most first world countries, you don't have to wait in line to vote to begin with.
*zooms past you listening to the rolling stones enjoying my cars air conditioning*
not my problem
Bikes are for the poor, urbanites, and people not in a rush. Bicycles are better for helping people out of poverty than any socialist policy yet tried.
>germony
>120k pop city
>15 min before stores close
>shit i still need something i don't have
>take the bike
>back home in 20 min
In America we just buy 1 - 2 weeks of groceries ahead of time so we don't need to rush to a grocery store minutes before it closes. We can afford to do so because we can use our cars to haul our groceries home, homes which are big enough to store weeks worth of food.
>We can afford to do
More people live in poverty in USA than most countries with walkable cities.
Outside of Appalachia and Indian Reservations, most poverty is urban. Also, things are much cheaper in the US so even the poor can afford to live better lives.
>most poverty is urban
yes, the exact places where no one can walk anywhere.
I would ask how you eat 2 weeks old tomatoes, but my guess is that if it's not in 24 layers of plastic, it's not food eh?
Canned and pickled goods. It's rather easy to can and pickle your own stuff, but you can buy really cheap canned foods at any store. We also have the option of growing our own tomatoes because our evil, oppressive single-family low density detached housing gives us space to plant in our own yards.
>In America we just buy 1 - 2 weeks of groceries ahead of time
And that is why Amerisharts rely on heavily processed food items, as anything fresh will end up spoiled.
Flour is a processed food. Bread is a heavily processed food. Americans eat a lot of bread, yes.
And bread is pretty shit for you compared to eggs, meat and vegetables
Which are cheaper and more common in America. Also, eggs keep for a really long time in the fridge.
Same but I can walk to my store. I also usually go an hour before it closes to breeze through my grocery shopping.
fricking Slave Pens
this genuinely made me laugh
schizoposters are hilarious
I would gladly live in a city and use public transport and support my local government if everything wasn't ovverun by Black folk and other sociopaths who want to kill me
but they are, so I'll gladly pay extra to live out of town and drive to work daily
Yeah as much as I wanna laugh at American urban planning I really wouldn't wanna be in public transport together with those youths.
>entire country is centred around driving
>their race car drivers can't compete outside of the US
i don't get it, what gives?
They aren't good at driving, they just drive because they're too fat and stupid to walk.
Privately owned trains are better than publicly owned trains.
Prove me wrong.
Amtrack
That was easy
>"Hey, my train came late/got canceled, I need some form of paper for work."
>"No, not according to our totally accurate system. NEXT PLEASE!"
Lol no
Take one good look at UK
>corporate exploitation of public funds GOOD, ackshually
You've yet to give an argument for your claim having basis in reality. Imagine jerking off "jerb creators" in your spare time, for free.
I want to own things. Is that so wrong?
You will never own a train, the billionaire shipping off production overseas and importing immigrants will though
Sounds like the billionaire is the real problem.
You're so close to getting it.
>fricking over commuters will solve this somehow
Fricking them over how exactly? Commuting by car is the single most dreadful thing in daily life. Hours wasted for nothing but frustration.
>Commuting by car is the single most dreadful thing in daily life.
I don't know why so many city-slickers think this. You have your own radio, your own AC/heating, and plenty of storage space. You can listen to whatever you want to, and keep the temperature at whatever you find enjoyable. You can take a detour to go and get some food on your way to your destination, or you can take a scenic route if you want to enjoy the drive more.
Driving solo is great. Getting road-head from your girlfriend is great. Being able to go wherever you want is great.
Driving in a city is not the same as driving on a state highway. And "you can go wherever you want" is typically not true if you're commuting to work, especially in a city. You probably have 1-2 viable routes, with little difference between them.
So stop crowding the cities.
>I don't know why so many city-slickers think this.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I hate driving because the roads in my area are shitty, the drivers are shitty, and there's nothing around worth driving to. I lived right across the street from my job in a lively, walkable part of town for a few years, and the experience was way more pleasant than having to drive everywhere every day.
We're talking about commuting by car to work, there's no variety. I did it for three months 2 hours a day. The main thing you have is other idiots who just go full auto in their daily commute and drive recklessly because of it. Also
>Radio
Pretty bad half the time
>Storage
What for? I drive to work, not home depot
>A/C
Nice, but also available in trains
>Listen to whatever
Yeah, but I can only listen. I can't read or play whatever I want.
...because they're city-slickers. Their driving is in the city. Which sucks. Urban spaces with tons of traffic suck to drive in. You spend more time going zero mph in a traffic jam or waiting in lights than actually driving. You can't take the scenic route because there's exactly one viable route to where you're going.
Once you're somewhere where you can actually drive, things get infinitely better.
You're forcing people's hands. Not very good to take their decisions into your own hands.
America already does this by designing everything for cars. You're already forced to use a car. But car manufacturer marketing has aggressively and successfully made you think that's freedom, basically since Unsafe at any Speed was published.
People chose to drive in cars because they were cheap and allowed ownership of a means for transportation. Public transportation became full of undesireables.
>fricking over commuters
No one likes 2 hour car commutes moron.
I vote Republican because they don't do anything. They never do anything, they're all talk. They sit in government and stall on any and all changes, especially when they aren't the majority. It's pretty great, honestly.
Beats getting tax hikes.
the irony of trying to blame the red israelite and praise the blue israelite
The privately owned trains in my country cost more than just driving.
>hate cyclists in real life
>spam pro-cycling infrastructure images online
false flaggers are falseflagged into hell, thankfully
i do this but for electric vehicles. makes Ganker lose their fricking minds
Imagine being a country full of cars that can't even win any races. What do you do all day?
i'm an idiot but this is what i do, as long as you can maintain a grid with short blocks with streets that look like this you will never have congestion.
the issue comes trying to merge into this grid.
actually going back to this idea of mine, would this work for highways leading into my grid pattern?
Probably not. You'll want three tiers of roads - you already have single lane roads for the grid and the big three lane highway, but you'll want to connect those two with local two lane roads. Preferably several points of contact between the grid and the local road too, so you don't get bottlenecked in a single spot.
makes sense, i always fail at connecting the higher speed roads to two lanes getting bad bottlenecks on the highway while the areas i actually place buildings are completely free of traffic.
Think of a river.
You have small tributaries that feed into bigger branches which feed into the main river.
>
In 1988, prompted by SJ's large deficits, the Swedish parliament privatized the network by ordering that the ownership of rail infrastructure be separated from the ownership of train operations, and opened up the system to private sector train operators by introducing competitive tendering for local rail service contracts.[5]
Wait, does this work? Sven?
No it doesn't you dumb Futo
SJ is profitable so I would assume so?
why don't mutts balkanize if they hate each other so much? seriously, you see them at each other's throats calling for the death of their countrymen at every opportunity, this shit is bizarre
It's very simple.
>I hate burgers who disagree with me, but I hate Europeans more.
>why don't mutts balkanize if they hate each other so much?
because the two sides aren't evenly split between regions.
Balkanizing won't really solve the issue. It's a city vs everyone else thing. Even if Wyoming, the most Republican state, broke off, Cheyenne would still be at odds with the rest of the state.
This is a good video on it. Universities are the big problem, even in Red states. Outside of cities, every state is hard Red.
>Universities are the big problem
Sounds more like the problem is uneducated people.
If you don't go to college, you're uninformed
If you do go to college, you're misinformed
>If you do go to college, you're misinformed
Is this what conservatives tell themselves to cope with being uneducated?
I'm conservative and I'm smarter than you
You aren't, fortunately.
>t. humanities majors
If that's what helps you cope, I guess.
I'm not coping you guys are just gays. I majored in Math so I understand all the statistics that you liberal homosexuals misunderstand
>If you do go to college, you're misinformed
You guys will never be women
>I'm not coping
Sure you aren't, little guy.
Get lost, commie.
>learning is communist
lmao
If you go to college, you learn a bunch of feminist bullshit. No thanks. Rather actually contribute to society by farming and hauling rather than being some HR c**t.
>If you go to college, you learn a bunch of feminist bullshit.
This really is how conservatives cope with the most advanced human knowledge largely demonstrating that leftist beliefs are accurate.
This you, by any chance?
lol
lmao, even
If dem dummycrats r so smart then y didnt biden fix da c**try? Ya, thot so
I bet you make all the girls laugh.
Yikes.
Except for you anon, you're neither uninformed or misinformed are you? 🙂
>Dude just go into debt getting a piece of paper that won't even guarantee you job
Tech schools graduates have easier time getting jobs and making money because plumbers and electricians and other handymen are always in need.
No, software engineers are in far greater demand than plumbers. Also, trade schools don't teach you any epistemology or critical thinking skills.
>You need to pay thousands of dollars to learn critical thinking
Do Euros actually believe this
Most of the time you do, yeah. People who learn "critical thinking" on the internet don't actually have to demonstrate that they understand how it works in any meaningful capacity.
No because most of us don't have to personally pay for universities anon.
University's free in most of eurostan. Paying dollaridoos and going into debt for basic education is an american problem.
city-states have been a concept since ancient times
>reading about things is the problem
They tried it once. Federal government refused to let the states splinter and there was a four year war over it. Ever since any kind of talk about splintering meets treason charges.
>Ever since any kind of talk about splintering meets treason charges
Freedom of speech-sisters... It's over...
I've seen you say this in multiple threads. You shouldn't take online screeching as a majority opinion. Most people genuinely don't give a frick.
>all the anti-american copium from europoors and 3rd worlders
pathetic
on the topic of the actual thread, get rid of intersections, use as many t-junctions as you can instead. mix low density commercial and offices in at the corners of your suburbs, and in the backyards make walking paths through the block with a perpendicular path near any junction.
you can also set up a few bus routes and have them path through the suburbs in a staggered timing pattern, this game was made by europoors so they massively overvalue basic public transportation stuff, so all the people go fricking apeshit for buses. that'll fix most of your issues.
you can also change some of the shorter roads to alternating one ways to reduce congestion on them if you have too high of a density for the roads you're using.
>build 3 lane arterial roads leading to every area
>build 2 lane bigger roads for main streets in between suburbs
>build Hospitals and other necessities on 2/1 lane road intersections (NOTE: driveways into buildings should be on the 1 lane roads to minimize traffic stoppage on big roads)
OMG DO LE HECKIN AMERICANS REALLY!!!
He says, posting on an American board
But do americans really?
Is he a homosexual, or right?
>Posting a self admitted lefty gay that was saved from the "alt-right" and pretends to know anything and the Russo-Ukriane war
>was able to get out of this hellhole
good on him
You'll take my car from my cold dead hands. I loathe public transit.
Frick having to wait outside for the bus.
Frick having to wait another 10m because the previous bus was already full.
Frick the limited destinations.
Frick the schedule that doesn't fit my needs.
Frick having to huddle together with dirty sweaty smelly plebs.
Frick being unable to reasonably carry more than a backpack and a bag.
Frick the constant delays.
Frick having to pay every fricking time at every new ride (regardless of the cost itself or if tickets transfer from one ride to another).
>oops you forgot to refill your pass and now you gotta wait 20m while some moronic boomer figures out how to refill his card at the only nearby kiosk
sounds like you need more frequent buses
All of those can be fixed by having a proper public transit system and not the neutered ones they have in the US.
Except the false sense of superiority over the plebs. You are a pleb too.
>contribute to society by moving things from A to B
>do not try to understand society and affect it in any way
Yeah what fricking geniuses american conservatism produces
All you do is make society worse with your ideological bullshit.
Which ideological bullshit do you imagine I subscribe to? Like, if you want to argue with the voices in your head you don't have to use me as a proxy.
Your stance (argument is a bit generous) is basically: reading about society and studying society scientifically (as is done in the humanities) is bad for some reason. Looking into inequalities, ways to organise society, ways to plan and conceptualise things is wrong and bad because it leads to wrongthink.
Things are as good as they're ever going to be and go do manual labour and contribute (while I study maths lol).
None of those equity programs work. Giving meal tickets just makes people used to taking them instead of working for food. Not only this, but your beliefs come prepackaged with universal suffrage garbage, which only fricks up the work environment. There is nothing but harm coming from your "kindness".
>Giving meal tickets just makes people used to taking them instead of working for food.
source?
>universal suffrage
What the frick are you actually against universal suffrage or do you just have 0 clue about what you're talking about?
>work for food
The point of welfare is not to lift people out of poverty, it mainly to make the lives of people in poverty easier as 1. as a patchwork fix because societal reforms against poverty would be bad for the people that benefit from the current distribution of resources, and 2. the secondary effects of poverty lead to more costs for society. e.g. if we give people food in a structured way they won't have to steal to feed their kids.
>fricks over the voting populace since whoever appeases to sufrage gets the vote
>fricks over the workplace by having women take up hours and get put on leave for their own biological functions
How is the voting populace fricked over by policies that are based on, what was that wording, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
And why do you prioritise "the workplace" in this abstract way over giving half of the population monetary autonomy?
Could it be that you're just a hypocrite that want white men to get all the goodies? It very much seems to be the main thrust of your ideas. It's not surprising you don't like humanities students lol
>anon republican math autist shows up to uni
>starts ranting about women working and blacks having the vote
>inevitably gets BTFO
>"U-unis are brainwashing :,("
>which only fricks up the work environment
How?
By increasing workforce to the point where you can no longer be employed just because you asked nicely?
Or by firing you because you couldn't stop saying "Black person" all the time?
Tbh this sounds like you have a problem with American public transit, not public transit in general.
Those last three are completely alien to me, but the other ones I can sympathize with. No delays up here (unless someone an heroed in front of a train again), and instead of individual tickets or passes it's a monthly sub app on the phone.
I'd like to add one - frick the noisy fellow passengers who insist on blabbing full power in their gobbledyasiatic bullshit, and the ones listening/watching shit on their phones without headphones so the whole bus is annoyed by the shit tier speakers on their budget phone. Noisy ass b***hes.
Just get mods like tmpe. It's more easier to deal with traffic that way :p
bloody love taking the bus, I just get on and get off, can even catch up on some sleep in the mean time, its great
does anybody else get VERY sleepy during traffic jams?
seriously whenever i'm in one i nearly fall asleep
shits gonna get me into a crash one day
frick off lardbag. If the city you live in isn't 1000+ years old then I don't give a shit about what you think
>400 reply
Does one of the Jannies vist /n/ because these threads also stay up for some reason
>whites build country a certain way because they're terrified of everything
>it's the Black folk fault
every time.
Look up Robert Moses.
>We're not terrified of everything.
Yes you are. Spend an evening watching Fox News. The shit white Americans are terrified of is hilarious.
t. "Guns are scawwy UwU"
>t. "bwacks aw scawwy uwu"
They burn down cities.
whites have burned down far more cities, i assure you.
>Tyrone burns a couple of cars and boutiques
>OMG whole cities have been devoured by fire, all because of those uppity Black folk!
>frick small businesses I want corporate majority ownership
I thought you guys hated corporations?
Why do poltards shift the goalposts every time someone points out how moronic they are?
If you hate them so much and your ancestors did likewise, why did they import millions of them in the past?
Most slave traders weren't white.
What other race were American slave traders?
Split between hebraic and black.
is that what conservatives are telling themselves these days?
It's true.
It isn't, but it's good to know the narrative the misinformation is trying to push these days.
>it isn't
It is.
provide a source that isn't a facebook schizo collage
Considering that the Republicans are the ones that endedthe slave trade...
yeah, over 200 years ago when none of the current republican party was born yet.
>it's another smug moron that forgot the parties did a flip-flop in the 60s
>this coping lie again
>Considering that the Republicans are the ones that endedthe slave trade...
That was back when the Democrats were the party of conservatism, white supremacism and racial purity.
Nothing "these days" about it. Blacks sourced the slaves by capturing and selling other blacks, israelites ran the biggest trade companies, including slave trade ones. Buyer side is the only part where whites were heavily involved - which is significant, because without buyers the whole slave trade thing wouldn't work.
Why do white nationalists lie through their teeth so much about history?
Ah yes because the white man just had hunting parties in Africa for slaves
That would be more exciting, at least.
how do you suppose the American slave trade existed without anyone buying slaves and bringing them to USA?
we're not talking about the African slave trade. try to stay on topic.
That part is not in dispute, not that it matters whether slavery was a thing in africa. part of the triangular trade was trading weapons to the africans in exchange for slaves.
source on the bit about israelites being in charge of the trade
Tried googling around a bit. Easily found dozens of sources saying israelites were involved on some level, ranging from 5% to 17% of total slave trade, but only one saying israelites were completely in charge. And that one single source is a speech by Leonard Jeffries.
In short, no.
source
How about Greta Weber's "Shipwreck Shines Light on Historic Shift in Slave Trade"? That has pretty good descriptions on how portuguese israelites struck deals with west african states to haul their slaves to be sold in Brazil
>there was some portugese israelites involved with the slave trade
That was not your original claim anon.
Not him, but Blacks and israelites.
Were the people buying those slaves and accepting the ships that carried them also black/israeli?
Soon enough conservatards will be teaching that plantation owners were black, ackshually.
>you bought it now suffer under guilt for the rest of your lives
Evil.
>guilt
i love this straw man. never gets old.
Why 'evil'?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
we were hoping they'd jus die off after we were done with them but then some morons started being nice to them
I did count the greentext, and I thought I was pretty clear why they were alien to me. They simply don't happen where I live - delays are rare, pass is on your mobile phone, is a flat monthly fee for everything, no faffing about refilling or scanning things. Sometimes you get ticket inspectors boarding the train/bus/tram/metro/ferry to check everyone has active subs, but even that's rare. That's how a well designed and ran public transport can take care of some of the issues you have. Sucks it doesn't work that way where you live.
>Sucks it doesn't work that way where you live.
Yeah, and care to take a guess why it doesn't and most likely never will?
When I started writing the first reply, I had a point that was something like "hey these specific parts are just your local company being shitters and not applicable to most public transport", but it got lost somewhere along the way. Sorry about that.
As for your question, is the answer "car manufacturers" or "fricked up politics"? Those are the first ones I'd assume.
>I'm supposed to think this is bad because of eurocucks and gays living in Black person and homeless infested inner cities.
Why?
>Refuse to acknowledge how car dependency is fricking over the US in ways that we're just seeing in the present
>Shift the topic to slavery to derail the topic and have people talk about other things
Man, we're so fricked aren't we
sharts will do ANYTHING to avoid talking about the problems of car infrastructure and their country as a whole. it's deflection from the first post. it's quite remarkable.
And that's only one of many issues. I'd be more surprised if the decade ends without some civil war or uprising happening than nothing happening.
I wonder what the 'not just bikes' guy on youtube would build in cities skyline. that guy has a comfy channel.
Reminder that AMTRAK owns less than 6% of all railways in the US
I will never take europeans seriously when they screech about burgers being fat when there's a 99% probability that the person making that claim so some equally disgusting and morbidly obese bong tbh
>bump limit
See you guys in the next /misc/ v /leftypol/ shit flinging thread that doesn't even pretend to be about video games! Should be up within the next hour!
Why do Euros seethe over Americans not wanting to be like them?
it's easier to trick a person than to convince them that they've been tricked