Surely if I read spoilers for a show like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad my enjoyment of it will be heightened.
Surely if I read spoilers for Planescape Torment my enjoyment of it will be heightened.
and so on and so on
If they don't make you curious about how the story arrives at those conclusions or events, then that's not anyone else's fault.
You and the other cattle like you have literally been conditioned into this mindset because you're incapable of independent thought. Acquire some self-awareness.
You actual FRICKING moron. You disingenuous c**t. You literal single-celled fricking organism. You absolute God damn fricking troglodyte. Holy shit, do you have to try to reach this depth of stupidity or are you just naturally like this?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop dilating your neo-vegana, zoomer troony. Spoilers actively ruin the story and experience for someone because now there's no surprise and no curiosity to what happens next or how the whole thing will end. Spoilergays are braindead cattle incapable of having actual interest in anything.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
they so not, at all. prove me wrong you cannot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>see a character you've become attached to suddenly get killed "WHAT THE FRICK? NOOO!" >get spoiled that he dies before you even get started with the story: he will never really matter to you because you'll know that he dies and his death scene will be "huh, sucks to be him I guess..."
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nice opinion but so you have proof?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The reactions people had all these years ago when they saw Aerith get killed by Sephiroth in original FF7 compared to how you feel now knowing that she dies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I always knew she died was spoiled to me, still iconic death and dome in such a way that I hold it at very high regard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And you didn't have the same experience as people who didn't know that she dies. It was taken away from you by spoilergays.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
prove it. all you do is assert that you are right but you cannot prove it at all. This shows that you have no direct way of doing so and your feeling is the only thing that you have.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you didn't experience the game
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
found the drooling moron unable to differentiate between knowing things and experiencing them playing out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the full experience includes the surprise you will literally never experience ever in your life. ever. in your life. I had it. and it was awesome. sorry dude. you'll literally never know how good it is on my side.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
receiving knowledge is part of the experience. you think that you MUST receive knowledge IN SEQUENCE right along WITH the experience, or else it is RUINED (and even "cannot be enjoyed at all, like that one post is claiming, lol).
meanwhile, people with ACTUAL brain function can react to knowledge, parcel it away, experience the thing, and recall the knowledge and our initial reaction when the appropriate time comes up. we can piece it together for the same smooth sequence, even though we received it out of sequence. we also continue to ENJOY things, and not get bitter and salty about them being "ruined" just from having things spliced up a bit. also we can enjoy things on rewatch/replay too.
if you cannot comprehend that, if your only response is to deny it and claim that its impossible, then all you're really doing is admitting that you have inferior mental faculties. we are real and we exist. we enjoy things this way. the fact that you are so sensitive and vulnerable that things can be "ruined" for you is proof that you are lesser.
cope and seethe, b***hboy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
not reading that but think of it this way homosexual, when a director makes a movie and say there's a twist, he will have misdirects and foreshadowing built into the movie. it's made for people who don't know what's going to happen. the full experience requires not knowing beforehand.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
while inferior morons like you exist and make up a significant portion of the population/market, it is no surprise that they craft things in such a way that appeal to you. the same way that a painting may appeal to one person but not another, not everyone likes the same things in the same ways. the difference is that you enjoy it, and we can find out whats going to happen and ALSO enjoy it. you have a laughably narcissistic notion that your way is "better", and even more laughably, that we "arent really enjoying it". it also doesnt mean that we arent surprised. our surprise comes at the moment we learn the twist, but then we tuck i away and remember it when it plays out. its not a hard concept, but i understand that your inferior brain cant comprehend this.
also lmao how
>thread full of people trying to tell the other person what that person things
Why is it so hard to understand that people are different and enjoy different things? Oh wait.
btfo you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not reading this either. lol what a gay.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i accept your concession. good luck with the brain damage.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I concede nothing insufferable homosexual.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>all this just to say "I can't enjoy things unless I've been spoiled beforehand"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
where did i say "i cant enjoy things unless i look it up"? i enjoy things without looking them up too. all i said was that knowing things before hand doesnt "ruin" anything.
something i DIDNT say was that i do find that my enjoyment is often heightened by looking things up, but thats because its irrelevant. what matters is that im impervious to things being "ruined" by learning stuff beforehand.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>enjoyment is often heightened by looking things up
And that's moronic. You're actively taking away curiosity and surprise from your experiences and making sure you don't have the same experience as someone going in blind. You never wondered how much different a game would be for you if you never knew that a character dies or betrays your party?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
he's a media cuckold
it's just not the same if his experience hasn't been gaped before he finally starts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no, im quite self aware of how i feel, how i interpret things, and how i enjoy them. im not taking away curiosity at all, because it was curiosity that caused me to look something up in the first place. hearing the knowledge IS the surprise, and seeing it play out once i reach it in the thing is when it all fits together and makes sense. theres a difference between knowing it and experiencing it. i can keep them both separate and put them together as needed. you cant do that? things can be ruined for you? damn, that sucks for you, lol. >And that's moronic.
see:
>thread full of people trying to tell the other person what that person things
Why is it so hard to understand that people are different and enjoy different things? Oh wait.
you have autism, or at least inferior mental faculties.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you were actually curious you'd want to experience shit first hand instead of looking it up. And no, spoilers are not a "surprise", instead they exist only to take surprises away from you. And no, repeatedly calling being spoiled "knowledge" doesn't make your argument "inteligent"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you'd want to experience shit first hand instead of looking it up
im capable of doing both and enjoying myself. its sad that you cant, and even dumber that you refuse to think its even possible that other people can. >"knowledge" doesn't make your argument "inteligent"
knowledge, facts, details, information. whatever word you want to use, it doesnt matter. you're getting so flustered at how it doesnt make sense to you that you're barking at ghosts that dont exist. we've already established that you're moronic and my brain works at a higher level than yours does. i have no need for pretentious word games and im not doing it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Prove what? The fact that you will never have the same experience as people who experienced important media blind is an objective fact. Your denial is not an argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you cannot prove that what you are asserting is true.
you feel like it is and that's about as far as it goes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is that not truth?
2 weeks ago
saucy
Truth IS fact and opinion...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's illogical.
If truth is objective and the truth is that opinions are subjective, then opinions are truths.
2 weeks ago
saucy
The truth can only be verified by what is believed, what is real. Facts tell the story, but not the whole story, truth is that which coexists seamlessly with reality or belief.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what you believe is irrelevant to a fact. The tree won't stop being a tree if you believe it to be your wife no matter how hard you try.
2 weeks ago
saucy
What you're talking about is phenomenology, which is the study of what is real and what is perceived. The truth behind my wife being a tree can be incontrovertible, impossible to disprove. The nature of what that reality is, objective or subjective, is debatable though.
what you are talking about is stupid people's fields and philosophy. I deal with proof and theories.
if you don't even have working hypothesis you can miss me with that shit because it's irrelevant to me.
2 weeks ago
saucy
The nature of someone's reality is phenomenology. What universe would permit that belief, and why. It has nothing to do with the truth being only factual. You can in fact, marry many inanimate objects in today's world; trees included. The problem you're talking about is the society that would register this as a lived experience, or a truly objective one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't think you understand my point or deliberately trying to be obtuse. this is normal when talking to philosophy majors because of how stupid they are. try your argument again but do it in good faith this time and stop being philosophy major, makes you cringe.
2 weeks ago
saucy
It's normal for people here to shout the word stupid as if it stops people from wanting to know more.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
so are you going to do the good faith or are you too stupid to do it?
2 weeks ago
saucy
I need to be a "good person," to provide good intellectual discourse, links that back up my argument, and fidelity that causes discussion to grow.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
so no, you are just going to continue to be the embodiment of cringe.
2 weeks ago
saucy
Better to be a conversationalist than a misanthrope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
do you have a singular fact to back that up?
2 weeks ago
saucy
Yes, lived experience.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
not a fact, try again literal moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up Saucy. If anyone wanted your opinion, we'd get it out of the fricking garbage disposal.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That would, for example, make insanity logical and it isn't. A schizophrenic "hearing" voices is truth and reality yet also not truth. We can't "hear" them just as they cannot hear someone elses inner monologue.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
insanity is true, fact and reality.
insane people are logically sound. you dumb motherfricker. you have no idea what you are pratlling about.
You're a dirty secondary so your opinion is irrelevant, but yes, books four and five were so bad I'm not sure I'll even bother reading books six and seven should they ever release. I also won't watch GoT however, because film adaptations are always terrible and from what I've heard they shat on Jaime (my favourite character).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You read 5 of that moron's books? Wow. KYS.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm a very fast reader, so even though I only enjoyed three of them, reading five of them still likely took me less time than it takes your mum to read me a bedtime story while her tongue is lodged in my ass
I watched the ending of Planescape a few weeks before playing it for the first time and however much i loved playing it, images of the ending kept on popping up in my mind and it finally made me quit the game at the point of Ravel.
I get how knowing the ending could enhance the experience, but I just couldn't enjoy it all knowing it and I regret heavily having spoilt it for myself.
Some b***h I used to know spoiled GoT for me and it ruined my entire experience with the whole series. When I heard the final episode was a disaster, I just laughed.
[And that's a good thing!]
Never fricking listening to anything these sycophantic ladder-climbing narcissists ever hae to say. They are the bottom of the wrung, and view you as even lower.
Always do & think the fricking opposite of what they write.
Nobody takes these people seriously. They makes stories like this because they know the title alone will make people click on it and clicks = money. The only time one of these garbage takes gets any attention at all is when some drama youtuber runs out of things to get mad at that day.
As far as clickbait goes this one isn't bad since some homosexual decided to post it on Ganker too.
If I see [opinion] or anything that hints at the authors personal feelings or beliefs, I know what comes after will be complete bullshit feigning as journalism.
Not one op-ed I've ever read on anything has had any actual merit to reality. If they want to write something purely for entertainment, that's one thing but this sort of shit is a manipulative way to frame opinions as fact by taking some random statistic/study, glossing over it, then rephrasing it to validate their own ideas. These people have the same credibility as losers like you or me spurting out pointless thoughts all day on an image board for a young person's hobby. They just get paid to do it.
If I suspect there's going to be bullshit, I check leaks to dull the disappointment
I'm glad I checked the spoilers for FF7RE, because I would've been pissed if I contributed to square's bragging of whatever sales numbers for those piles of shit
Thank you for being a sensible anon, playing games for the sake of the actual gameplay. Plothomosexualry itself can be just as bad as the garbage they shoehorn into the writing
This just gives you precognitive bias based on the opinion of whoever is spoiling it. If you trusted me and I told you part of a game's story sucked, you'd be predisposed to not liking it and probably wouldn't form your own opinion about it. If you looked up a synopsis dump a game's story before playing it to know all the spoilers you'd find less enjoyment in it because you wouldn't have had time and context for the story to have impact. I doubt the legitimacy of this research.
I agree, I always thought that study was weird. I personally hate spoilers. Off-topic so feel free to report but. I made a friend group for anons who are genuine. pastebin.com/XwYcJrKV
[And that's a good thing!]
Never fricking listening to anything these sycophantic ladder-climbing narcissists ever hae to say. They are the bottom of the wrung, and view you as even lower.
Always do & think the fricking opposite of what they write.
Bless you, and may fortune follow you wherever yo go, my kin.
Surely this is only the case with literal morons. Like they spoil themselves by listening to somebody else that was excited by the turn of events. Then they just mimic that reaction when they come across that same point instead of actually reacting or interpreting it on their own.
Spoilers are still shit because they're usually not consensual. I don't like getting spoiler raped and neither does anyone else, if you choose to get spoiled it's fine but it's usually done maliciously and it's not even snape kills dumbledore funny stuff anymore. Youtube also needs to do a better job, fricking buttholes making "-X- BECOMES FINAL BOSS AND DIES" videos the day a game comes out and it's broadly suggest to people.
Someone post the study methodology I'm betting it's another case of "we've decided upon a fundamental truth about the human condition based on vaguely worded servey questions answered by 100 college students" or "well it applied to the majority (53%) of people in the study so therefore it's universal".
It can suck when a game hinges on one twist. I had a good time with Omori but I was spoiled on the twist that the game dances around for the whole game. I'm still glad I played it but I'm unsure how much substance the writing has outside of said twist. Game devs should make sure their writing is compelling outside of mere subversion.
they take me out of the present
imagine not being on the edge of ur seat at the end of dmc1 or mgs2 because you listened some homosexual pencil neck explain it all to you before playing
Seeing a cool plot twist without expecting it gives you a "whoa" effect. Knowing when a plot twist happens ruins the experience because you're like "oh okay, there it is".
Yes, yes it is. Whenever I get into a story blind all the twists and surprises actually give me chills and excitement. When I already know what happens it's like "alright" and don't have as much engagement in the story. I regret that I watched a full playthrough of Earthbound all these years ago and THEN also watched the AVGN video on it because now there's little point in me playing it as I know all the twists,locations and plotpoints. At least I managed to avoid all spoilers about mother 3 and still have a chance to play it properly.
>otherwise uninteresting game
But why would anyone bother with an uninteresting game in the first place. Sure, some games are very low on story, like Super Mario games for example. If you sad 'Bowser is the final boss!' then they'd be like 'oh okay I figured'. If a game has an interesting story with lots of build-up, then I think most people would be a bit upset if it was spoiled to them early. Like if I saw pic related before playing KH3 to the end I'd be a bit upset I didn't see the reveal as it was supposed to happen.
Take Pokémon for example, basically on par with Mario in terms of having a predictable story. Except for the Mystery Dungeon games, which are all characterized by the crazy plot twist that happens halfway through the game. If you don't know about that you'll never playe it because it seems like babycrap at the start.
>playing pokemon for the story
Braindead. Mystery dungeon draws you in because it's a pokemon dungeon crawler and the gameplay is addicting. If you're already a pokemon fan you don't care about the story being "baby shit"
Okay? Doesn't change the fact that the games are carried by their gameplay. You shouldn't need to spoil people the twists when telling them it's a pokemon isekai dungeon crawler should be enough.
Yes, the important factor there being the "my". Journalist in the OP makes it out to be some involiable facet of the human experience instead of a personal thing that differs depending on the way people like to enjoy media.
>1 to 5 male to female ratio >"subjects again significantly preferred spoiled over unspoiled versions", data shows a difference is about 0.5 points higher in rating out of 10
Truth be told sometimes you can just have ""bad vibes" (I don't know a non-white woman way of saying that) from a story and decide to clock out early, but still be relatively invested in the general plot. I've done this numerous times with visual novels and it's saved me hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hours I would've otherwise spent reading a really shitty story with an awful ending.
>176 male, 643 female
Yeah this is valid lol
Reminds me of a female uni friend that literally googled the movie plot WHILE BEING AT THE MOVIE THEATER
Dunno if it's just a lack of attention span or some weird anguish over the unexpected or some other weird mental gymnastic
my mom is like that
she thinks it makes her smart to second the guess the movie every fricking moment its running
instead shes just annoying and she doesnt even consider the movie for one moment after it ends
>exclusively psychology students
Honestly this is just as bad as the gender ratio in my eyes. All it tells you is that psychology students prefer spoiled stories when the type of people who go into psychology are probably the type of people who try to dissect fiction like it's a frog in the first place.
Supposedly there's an actual study backing it up, using primarily mystery stories. But assuming I'm right, I don't think that just mystery stories are a good indicator for such a study because usually there's a buildup, with the end showing how all the pieces fit together. The structure of the story wouldn't be completely comparable to all other genres.
I also think that "the experience of the unknown" is an important aspect to a story. I'm personally less likely to want to watch a show or play a game if I have the plot or major plot development told to me. But I think this is indicative of the problem that people are opinionated and there's not really a "base person" when it comes to what they think of stories. Maybe if the test was done to thousands of people from varying cultures and countries, you might get an accurate result. I don't know what would be a reasonable sample size.
Plus, as another anon said, it just predisposes you to an opinion. If you took some innocent kid, and told him "all black people are neanderthal Black folk that do nothing but break shit and ape out", that kid's probably going to think that when first interacting with black people.
I don't even read the synopsis because it can sometimes spoil too much. A few spoiler free pictures of the mood and gameplay is all you need to judge if a game is worth trying out.
That's just because there's a lot of 10/10 video game music but very, very few plots that are genuinely amazing. When they are, it sticks with you way longer than temporal gameplay.
they dont. theres no such thing as a spoiler, because that would imply that the experience can be "spoiled" or ruined by mere information.
knowing some simple information and having an experience are two separate things unrelated to each other. if your brain cant differentiate that, then you have a flawed, subhuman brain. if you think that knowing something "ruins" it, then you're moronic. also if knowing something "ruins" it, then it was never good in the first place, because any replay of it would be "ruined". anyone who complains about spoilers is a drooling moron with inferior mental faculties.
Dumb fricking Black person. A story that features surprises and twists is the most effective when you DON'T know about them or what they will involve. You get all the "knowledge" about the story from the initial blurb and actually reading/watching it, not from fricking "learning" about it what are you fricking stupid? Are morons actually incapable of being interested in anything unless they're spoiled about all the important parts so they don't have any curiosity or excitement anymore?
Experiencing a story naturally and watching everything unfold without any "knowledge" is way more worthwhile than needing to be spoiled on all the important parts like an actual dumb Black person.
Normalize replacing spoilers with "watch the movie/play the game/read the book and you'll know"
who said anything about "needing"?
and your emphasis on making the claim that it is "more worthwhile" is nothing more than your admission that you are incapable of differentiating the two. if knowing something dampens your experience, then you have a flawed, moron brain. plain and simple.
meanwhile, the rest of us will continue enjoying things whether we get "spoilered" on them or not.
Spoilers objectively ruin the experience with any story, plain and simple. The only reason why you "enjoy" shit you get spoiled on is because you're a braindead normalgay incapable of having genuine interest or passion for anything and just go from one product to consume to another, preferably with dozens of spoilers so you can form your opinion beforehand and start arguing about the story before you're even finished with it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>incapable of having genuine interest or passion for anything and just go from one product to consume to another
and what exactly are you basing this laughable assumption on? every post you make just makes it more and more obvious that you're too stupid to understand that people can still enjoy things and connect with things even when they are "spoiled", because you cant fathom doing so yourself. because your moron brain functions in such a way that spoilers "ruin" things for you, you are utterly incapable of recognizing and understanding that others dont get ruined and they can still find enjoyment. its so foreign to you that you vehemently deny it and make shit up to try and connect more dots and validate it. its kind of funny how unaware you are that every post of denial is another admission and concession that you're inferior. >form your opinion beforehand and start arguing about the story before you're even finished with it.
you're spending way too much time on Ganker if you think thats how it goes, lol.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>people can still enjoy things and connect with things even when they are "spoiled"
They cannot. There's no more surprise, no more mystery, no more wondering what happens next because you already know what happens, no getting attached to characters you already know will die or are actually evil. Spoilergays are not actually interested in media, they just want to be a guy who watched a popual thing and totally knows the context to all the wacky memes and inside jokes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They cannot.
lmao i accept your concession >Spoilergays are not actually interested in media
meanwhile, we rewatch and replay things all the time, on purpose, because we want to, because we like them.
i understand that your puny brain cannot comprehend this, but that truly is how things are. i pity the people around you that need to put up with your moronation and tantrums.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a significant difference between rewatching something and already being spoiled before you even start. Also I enjoy how normalgays always ssethe hard and go for the "Y-YOU'RE DUMB!!!!!" strategy when their views are challenged.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're the one seething, and you also did the "you're dumb" thing. the difference is that you are provably dumb, because you're so lacking in empathy that you cant fathom people enjoying something that you dont.
also, we rewatch things that we spoiled ourselves on before the first time too. as long as we enjoyed it, we continue to enjoy it. because there is a difference between experiencing everything play out and simply knowing a bunch of facts/details.
I don't understand people who go apeshit over even the premise of spoilers
So many start frothing at the mouth DON'T SPOIL IT FOR ME
I've never given a shit about spoilers, I've yet to experience the thing that was "spoiled", there's no validity to their spoilers, and even if it was true, I'd still want to see it for myself.
Now, there does exist spoilers that make me not want to engage with a piece of media, but I feel like I am dodging a bullet with those ones.
A good example would be Pathfinder: Kingmaker. You can't romance the Halfling bard, your very first companion on the game that you travel with throughout the entire game. I already had ~10 hours into the game, but this completely killed my mood to ever finish it. Frick these pussy devs.
Who you can romance or not in a game is not really the type of spoiler that ruins the story. It also depends on how much you have to invest into it before the spoiler is revealed. For example in Terminator 2 the fact that Arnold plays the good guy is a nice little spoiler but the movie is still fine, but in Memento knowing that he already found his wife's killer and murdered him ruins it.
Have you ever seen the 2001 horror movie "The Others" starring Nicole Kidman? Turns out she and her kids are actually ghosts and don't know it and the ghosts they think are haunting them are the real people who moved into their house.
>unspoiled >I can enjoy the sense of mystery or surprise or whatever the first readthrough and then see all the foreshadowing and whatnot on a reread >spoiled >I can only ever do the latter
Simple as
No. Some things are specifically written to have tension, build up and foreshadowing ect. You can't have these things with spoilers and this is a completely smoothbrained take for NPCs
>thread full of people trying to tell the other person what that person things
Why is it so hard to understand that people are different and enjoy different things? Oh wait.
I'm about to play MGS2 for the first time completely blind. Just finished MGS1 last night and fricking loved it. Any spoilers I should know about 2 beforehand?
Some people are into spoilers, but not me personally, once I get enough info on a game to know that I'd (probably) enjoy it I usually start completely avoiding any additional info being released about the game.
Only exceptions are if the info is being released officially by the devs in some format like Nintendo Directs, or that Metaphor stream next week (even then, if I feel like they're revealing too much I stop watching) or if the game in question is fightan. Story is usually a very insignificant factor in those games and following the character and gameplay mechanic reveals is fun.
I don't even watch the openings for most games anymore, since they tend to show off way too much shit.
There's certain media that's all about the journey. For those kinds of things, the ending doesn't really matter and thus spoilers don't matter much. These are usually the ones that are referenced in those "SPOILERS CAN MAKE YOU ENJOY THINGS MORE" studies.
However, there's also certain media that's all about the destination/ending, and for those things, the ending is a huge point and thus matter a lot. Stuff that comes to mind would be something like The Sixth Sense, Oldboy, Fight Club, Memento, The Game, Shutter Island and so on. I can't think of any vidya game off the top of my head, but you get the idea. These kinds of things become 10x less cool if you get the ending spoiled for you.
I had KOTOR's big twist spoiled for me years before I played it. I still enjoyed the experience like any other. I don't know if there's some FOMO quality to it or not but I don't think I've ever hated something just because I was told about an event that happened in its story or knew what the ending was going to be like.
At a certain point it's less about the what that's happening and more about the how the story is making it happen.
>At a certain point it's less about the what that's happening and more about the how the story is making it happen.
thats a really good way of putting it. they are separate things.
I thought I got all of Xenoblade 1 spoiled for me ages ago but when I played it a major twist caught me severely off guard. Also sometimes spoilers make me more interested in games but I don't like knowing too much sometimes. I wish I knew how to care less.
Your experience going through something unspoiled is different from going through it while knowing what happens. I guess it's debatable which experience is "better", but you are still being robbed of ever experiencing it with no knowledge. There's a reason why after going through something great, it is pretty common for someone to say "Wow... I wish I could erase my memory and go through that all over again!" because that initial blind run was valuable.
I'd argue that your experience is being enhanced, as you know what to expect.
think of this example. is a novice being robbed of his experience learning if he is thought by a more experienced one?
>is a novice being robbed of his experience learning if he is thought by a more experienced one?
yes if the end product is not his only interest
playing factorio or ONI while blatantly copying designs is something you do after playing the game on your own terms
your opinion is so shit
I for one watched people play dark souls before it came to pc and my experience was enchanted because I understood game mechanics, and factorio is the same unless you enjoy building efficient bases you should see a guide it will enhance your experience
it enhances YOUR experience because you actively avoid challenge and having to use your own brain
there's a certain threshold of effort required in certain games and I will concede that if you're under that threshold getting spoiled is the only way you'll make it through, still, far from the optimal route
no it enhanced my experience because I like challenges, and moving away from noob blunders presents you with a challenge. there is no challenge in learning how to walk there is a challenge in mastering running.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and moving away from noob blunders presents you with a challenge
being a noob is already a challenge in itself, one which requires way more effort and intellect to get through than your "monkey see monkey do" challenge
moreover it's not like by not being spoiled you're precluding yourself anything : you can still master running
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No being a noob isn't a challenge it's lack of knowledge. you can acquire knowledge anyone can it's not challenging unless you are first to do it. what creates challenge is using your knowledge to solve novel problems and in games you create novel problems by using your skill in a way no newbie would.
this is why csgo is popular, because every match is a novel problem.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can acquire knowledge anyone can it's not challenging unless you are first to do it
bullshit
without a frame of reference you have to make one yourself and contextualize information accordingly, you have to actually apply your own problem solving skills instead of using tried and true methods and it forces you to pay way more attention to details
and again, once this is all done the challenge you speak of is still readily available
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
if what you were saying were true then going to school would be useless, having trainers would be shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
school is end product focused : nobody gives a shit about the challenge, they just want you to learn X fast so you can apply your knowledge productively
this shit ain't about productivity at all
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
after you finish school, after you are literally spoonfed information you go to university where you are challenged. you seem to fail to put any dent into my logic.
2 weeks ago
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I like how you frame it as if university isn't spoonfeeding you all the same
I hate the new Star Wars movies but what I hated even more is getting spoilered that Han Solo dies.
Seeing the image pissed me off as well and when I watched the movie I was constantly waiting for this scene to happen. I knew it would happen and to this day I am wondering what impact it would have made on me if I had not known
Like would I have been shocked >wow I did not expect this?!
I will never know because you buttholes ruined it for me not like the movie wasn't shit otherwise
People who say first-time experiences/spoilers don't matter are no better than prostitutes who don't value their first time having sex and use the cope that they are more "experienced" and better at sex now instead of being used goods.
There is nothing that can be gained from prior information about a movie or a game apart from a general review sentiment/score. If I watch a movie trailer my brain just waits for scenes that haven't happened.
Surely if I read spoilers for Danganronpa my enjoyment of it will be heightened.
Danganronpa is bottom of the barrel garbage anyway so it's no big loss.
If being spoiled on something ruins the story, then the story is bad.
Surely if I read spoilers for a show like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad my enjoyment of it will be heightened.
Surely if I read spoilers for Planescape Torment my enjoyment of it will be heightened.
and so on and so on
If they don't make you curious about how the story arrives at those conclusions or events, then that's not anyone else's fault.
You and the other cattle like you have literally been conditioned into this mindset because you're incapable of independent thought. Acquire some self-awareness.
>no, you don't get it, you NEED to read up on the entire story first lest you risk having to actually pay attention and use your brain!
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You actual FRICKING moron. You disingenuous c**t. You literal single-celled fricking organism. You absolute God damn fricking troglodyte. Holy shit, do you have to try to reach this depth of stupidity or are you just naturally like this?
Stop dilating your neo-vegana, zoomer troony. Spoilers actively ruin the story and experience for someone because now there's no surprise and no curiosity to what happens next or how the whole thing will end. Spoilergays are braindead cattle incapable of having actual interest in anything.
they so not, at all. prove me wrong you cannot.
>see a character you've become attached to suddenly get killed "WHAT THE FRICK? NOOO!"
>get spoiled that he dies before you even get started with the story: he will never really matter to you because you'll know that he dies and his death scene will be "huh, sucks to be him I guess..."
nice opinion but so you have proof?
The reactions people had all these years ago when they saw Aerith get killed by Sephiroth in original FF7 compared to how you feel now knowing that she dies.
I always knew she died was spoiled to me, still iconic death and dome in such a way that I hold it at very high regard.
And you didn't have the same experience as people who didn't know that she dies. It was taken away from you by spoilergays.
prove it. all you do is assert that you are right but you cannot prove it at all. This shows that you have no direct way of doing so and your feeling is the only thing that you have.
you didn't experience the game
found the drooling moron unable to differentiate between knowing things and experiencing them playing out.
the full experience includes the surprise you will literally never experience ever in your life. ever. in your life. I had it. and it was awesome. sorry dude. you'll literally never know how good it is on my side.
receiving knowledge is part of the experience. you think that you MUST receive knowledge IN SEQUENCE right along WITH the experience, or else it is RUINED (and even "cannot be enjoyed at all, like that one post is claiming, lol).
meanwhile, people with ACTUAL brain function can react to knowledge, parcel it away, experience the thing, and recall the knowledge and our initial reaction when the appropriate time comes up. we can piece it together for the same smooth sequence, even though we received it out of sequence. we also continue to ENJOY things, and not get bitter and salty about them being "ruined" just from having things spliced up a bit. also we can enjoy things on rewatch/replay too.
if you cannot comprehend that, if your only response is to deny it and claim that its impossible, then all you're really doing is admitting that you have inferior mental faculties. we are real and we exist. we enjoy things this way. the fact that you are so sensitive and vulnerable that things can be "ruined" for you is proof that you are lesser.
cope and seethe, b***hboy.
not reading that but think of it this way homosexual, when a director makes a movie and say there's a twist, he will have misdirects and foreshadowing built into the movie. it's made for people who don't know what's going to happen. the full experience requires not knowing beforehand.
while inferior morons like you exist and make up a significant portion of the population/market, it is no surprise that they craft things in such a way that appeal to you. the same way that a painting may appeal to one person but not another, not everyone likes the same things in the same ways. the difference is that you enjoy it, and we can find out whats going to happen and ALSO enjoy it. you have a laughably narcissistic notion that your way is "better", and even more laughably, that we "arent really enjoying it". it also doesnt mean that we arent surprised. our surprise comes at the moment we learn the twist, but then we tuck i away and remember it when it plays out. its not a hard concept, but i understand that your inferior brain cant comprehend this.
also lmao how
btfo you.
I'm not reading this either. lol what a gay.
i accept your concession. good luck with the brain damage.
I concede nothing insufferable homosexual.
>all this just to say "I can't enjoy things unless I've been spoiled beforehand"
where did i say "i cant enjoy things unless i look it up"? i enjoy things without looking them up too. all i said was that knowing things before hand doesnt "ruin" anything.
something i DIDNT say was that i do find that my enjoyment is often heightened by looking things up, but thats because its irrelevant. what matters is that im impervious to things being "ruined" by learning stuff beforehand.
>enjoyment is often heightened by looking things up
And that's moronic. You're actively taking away curiosity and surprise from your experiences and making sure you don't have the same experience as someone going in blind. You never wondered how much different a game would be for you if you never knew that a character dies or betrays your party?
he's a media cuckold
it's just not the same if his experience hasn't been gaped before he finally starts
no, im quite self aware of how i feel, how i interpret things, and how i enjoy them. im not taking away curiosity at all, because it was curiosity that caused me to look something up in the first place. hearing the knowledge IS the surprise, and seeing it play out once i reach it in the thing is when it all fits together and makes sense. theres a difference between knowing it and experiencing it. i can keep them both separate and put them together as needed. you cant do that? things can be ruined for you? damn, that sucks for you, lol.
>And that's moronic.
see:
you have autism, or at least inferior mental faculties.
If you were actually curious you'd want to experience shit first hand instead of looking it up. And no, spoilers are not a "surprise", instead they exist only to take surprises away from you. And no, repeatedly calling being spoiled "knowledge" doesn't make your argument "inteligent"
>you'd want to experience shit first hand instead of looking it up
im capable of doing both and enjoying myself. its sad that you cant, and even dumber that you refuse to think its even possible that other people can.
>"knowledge" doesn't make your argument "inteligent"
knowledge, facts, details, information. whatever word you want to use, it doesnt matter. you're getting so flustered at how it doesnt make sense to you that you're barking at ghosts that dont exist. we've already established that you're moronic and my brain works at a higher level than yours does. i have no need for pretentious word games and im not doing it.
Prove what? The fact that you will never have the same experience as people who experienced important media blind is an objective fact. Your denial is not an argument.
you cannot prove that what you are asserting is true.
you feel like it is and that's about as far as it goes.
Is that not truth?
Truth IS fact and opinion...
That's illogical.
If truth is objective and the truth is that opinions are subjective, then opinions are truths.
The truth can only be verified by what is believed, what is real. Facts tell the story, but not the whole story, truth is that which coexists seamlessly with reality or belief.
what you believe is irrelevant to a fact. The tree won't stop being a tree if you believe it to be your wife no matter how hard you try.
What you're talking about is phenomenology, which is the study of what is real and what is perceived. The truth behind my wife being a tree can be incontrovertible, impossible to disprove. The nature of what that reality is, objective or subjective, is debatable though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy)
what you are talking about is stupid people's fields and philosophy. I deal with proof and theories.
if you don't even have working hypothesis you can miss me with that shit because it's irrelevant to me.
The nature of someone's reality is phenomenology. What universe would permit that belief, and why. It has nothing to do with the truth being only factual. You can in fact, marry many inanimate objects in today's world; trees included. The problem you're talking about is the society that would register this as a lived experience, or a truly objective one.
I don't think you understand my point or deliberately trying to be obtuse. this is normal when talking to philosophy majors because of how stupid they are. try your argument again but do it in good faith this time and stop being philosophy major, makes you cringe.
It's normal for people here to shout the word stupid as if it stops people from wanting to know more.
so are you going to do the good faith or are you too stupid to do it?
I need to be a "good person," to provide good intellectual discourse, links that back up my argument, and fidelity that causes discussion to grow.
so no, you are just going to continue to be the embodiment of cringe.
Better to be a conversationalist than a misanthrope.
do you have a singular fact to back that up?
Yes, lived experience.
not a fact, try again literal moron.
Shut the frick up Saucy. If anyone wanted your opinion, we'd get it out of the fricking garbage disposal.
That would, for example, make insanity logical and it isn't. A schizophrenic "hearing" voices is truth and reality yet also not truth. We can't "hear" them just as they cannot hear someone elses inner monologue.
insanity is true, fact and reality.
insane people are logically sound. you dumb motherfricker. you have no idea what you are pratlling about.
Dumb ESL
yes. science says so
I'm still fricking pissed I got spoiled for ghost trick years ago
Planescape Torment is way better if you know a bit about what's going on from the start.
Anyone who watched Game of Thrones without having already read ASoIaF is a filthy peasant who deserved to be spoiled anyway.
upon watching GoT, I determined that I would never read anything that fat homosexual wrote in my whole life.
You're a dirty secondary so your opinion is irrelevant, but yes, books four and five were so bad I'm not sure I'll even bother reading books six and seven should they ever release. I also won't watch GoT however, because film adaptations are always terrible and from what I've heard they shat on Jaime (my favourite character).
You read 5 of that moron's books? Wow. KYS.
I'm a very fast reader, so even though I only enjoyed three of them, reading five of them still likely took me less time than it takes your mum to read me a bedtime story while her tongue is lodged in my ass
It barely matters anyway, considering well over half the show has nothing to do with the books kek.
Unironically yes.
What's the issue?
Correct.
I watched the ending of Planescape a few weeks before playing it for the first time and however much i loved playing it, images of the ending kept on popping up in my mind and it finally made me quit the game at the point of Ravel.
I get how knowing the ending could enhance the experience, but I just couldn't enjoy it all knowing it and I regret heavily having spoilt it for myself.
Some b***h I used to know spoiled GoT for me and it ruined my entire experience with the whole series. When I heard the final episode was a disaster, I just laughed.
Funny, for me they've done the opposite.
[And that's a good thing!]
Never fricking listening to anything these sycophantic ladder-climbing narcissists ever hae to say. They are the bottom of the wrung, and view you as even lower.
Always do & think the fricking opposite of what they write.
Nobody takes these people seriously. They makes stories like this because they know the title alone will make people click on it and clicks = money. The only time one of these garbage takes gets any attention at all is when some drama youtuber runs out of things to get mad at that day.
As far as clickbait goes this one isn't bad since some homosexual decided to post it on Ganker too.
Bless you, and may fortune follow you wherever yo go, my kin.
If I see [opinion] or anything that hints at the authors personal feelings or beliefs, I know what comes after will be complete bullshit feigning as journalism.
Not one op-ed I've ever read on anything has had any actual merit to reality. If they want to write something purely for entertainment, that's one thing but this sort of shit is a manipulative way to frame opinions as fact by taking some random statistic/study, glossing over it, then rephrasing it to validate their own ideas. These people have the same credibility as losers like you or me spurting out pointless thoughts all day on an image board for a young person's hobby. They just get paid to do it.
Same, if I know how a game/show ends then I don't play/watch the game/show
You can only read something unspoiled once.
I don't play games for their stories so not at all
If I suspect there's going to be bullshit, I check leaks to dull the disappointment
I'm glad I checked the spoilers for FF7RE, because I would've been pissed if I contributed to square's bragging of whatever sales numbers for those piles of shit
Thank you for being a sensible anon, playing games for the sake of the actual gameplay. Plothomosexualry itself can be just as bad as the garbage they shoehorn into the writing
This just gives you precognitive bias based on the opinion of whoever is spoiling it. If you trusted me and I told you part of a game's story sucked, you'd be predisposed to not liking it and probably wouldn't form your own opinion about it. If you looked up a synopsis dump a game's story before playing it to know all the spoilers you'd find less enjoyment in it because you wouldn't have had time and context for the story to have impact. I doubt the legitimacy of this research.
I agree, I always thought that study was weird. I personally hate spoilers. Off-topic so feel free to report but. I made a friend group for anons who are genuine. pastebin.com/XwYcJrKV
Cute animaroos.
Incorrect.
Surely this is only the case with literal morons. Like they spoil themselves by listening to somebody else that was excited by the turn of events. Then they just mimic that reaction when they come across that same point instead of actually reacting or interpreting it on their own.
Major Spoiler
Spoilers are still shit because they're usually not consensual. I don't like getting spoiler raped and neither does anyone else, if you choose to get spoiled it's fine but it's usually done maliciously and it's not even snape kills dumbledore funny stuff anymore. Youtube also needs to do a better job, fricking buttholes making "-X- BECOMES FINAL BOSS AND DIES" videos the day a game comes out and it's broadly suggest to people.
Someone post the study methodology I'm betting it's another case of "we've decided upon a fundamental truth about the human condition based on vaguely worded servey questions answered by 100 college students" or "well it applied to the majority (53%) of people in the study so therefore it's universal".
It can suck when a game hinges on one twist. I had a good time with Omori but I was spoiled on the twist that the game dances around for the whole game. I'm still glad I played it but I'm unsure how much substance the writing has outside of said twist. Game devs should make sure their writing is compelling outside of mere subversion.
They break narrative flow for me and I'm too autistic to continue when it happens.
I'll go back to them in time. Usually.
Hit or miss
they take me out of the present
imagine not being on the edge of ur seat at the end of dmc1 or mgs2 because you listened some homosexual pencil neck explain it all to you before playing
Shit study
sometimes i don't even want to know the genre before i start playing a game
I swear to God, the actual dumbest people in the world work in journalism and academia.
>People are disagreeing with this
Finding out about that an otherwise uninteresting game has a cool plot twist increases my interest in playing it from 0% to like 5%.
Seeing a cool plot twist without expecting it gives you a "whoa" effect. Knowing when a plot twist happens ruins the experience because you're like "oh okay, there it is".
It's not that big of a difference. Unless you were really into the story to begin with.
Yes, yes it is. Whenever I get into a story blind all the twists and surprises actually give me chills and excitement. When I already know what happens it's like "alright" and don't have as much engagement in the story. I regret that I watched a full playthrough of Earthbound all these years ago and THEN also watched the AVGN video on it because now there's little point in me playing it as I know all the twists,locations and plotpoints. At least I managed to avoid all spoilers about mother 3 and still have a chance to play it properly.
I played Mother 3 spoiler-free. Spoiler alert: It sucks.
Wrong.
claus is the masked man
>otherwise uninteresting game
But why would anyone bother with an uninteresting game in the first place. Sure, some games are very low on story, like Super Mario games for example. If you sad 'Bowser is the final boss!' then they'd be like 'oh okay I figured'. If a game has an interesting story with lots of build-up, then I think most people would be a bit upset if it was spoiled to them early. Like if I saw pic related before playing KH3 to the end I'd be a bit upset I didn't see the reveal as it was supposed to happen.
Take Pokémon for example, basically on par with Mario in terms of having a predictable story. Except for the Mystery Dungeon games, which are all characterized by the crazy plot twist that happens halfway through the game. If you don't know about that you'll never playe it because it seems like babycrap at the start.
>playing pokemon for the story
Braindead. Mystery dungeon draws you in because it's a pokemon dungeon crawler and the gameplay is addicting. If you're already a pokemon fan you don't care about the story being "baby shit"
Strongly disagree.
nah moron the mystery dungeon games had interesting stories with actual twists
Okay? Doesn't change the fact that the games are carried by their gameplay. You shouldn't need to spoil people the twists when telling them it's a pokemon isekai dungeon crawler should be enough.
>the games are carried by their gameplay
He's right and you're wrong.
Yes, the important factor there being the "my". Journalist in the OP makes it out to be some involiable facet of the human experience instead of a personal thing that differs depending on the way people like to enjoy media.
>1 to 5 male to female ratio
>"subjects again significantly preferred spoiled over unspoiled versions", data shows a difference is about 0.5 points higher in rating out of 10
Kek...
Probably revealed the predicted results of the study to them beforehand as well
Truth be told sometimes you can just have ""bad vibes" (I don't know a non-white woman way of saying that) from a story and decide to clock out early, but still be relatively invested in the general plot. I've done this numerous times with visual novels and it's saved me hundreds, perhaps thousands, of hours I would've otherwise spent reading a really shitty story with an awful ending.
>176 male, 643 female
Yeah this is valid lol
Reminds me of a female uni friend that literally googled the movie plot WHILE BEING AT THE MOVIE THEATER
Dunno if it's just a lack of attention span or some weird anguish over the unexpected or some other weird mental gymnastic
extremely unsurprising
my mom is like that
she thinks it makes her smart to second the guess the movie every fricking moment its running
instead shes just annoying and she doesnt even consider the movie for one moment after it ends
why would you not have 50/50 m/f? what the frick?
>exclusively psychology students
Honestly this is just as bad as the gender ratio in my eyes. All it tells you is that psychology students prefer spoiled stories when the type of people who go into psychology are probably the type of people who try to dissect fiction like it's a frog in the first place.
Supposedly there's an actual study backing it up, using primarily mystery stories. But assuming I'm right, I don't think that just mystery stories are a good indicator for such a study because usually there's a buildup, with the end showing how all the pieces fit together. The structure of the story wouldn't be completely comparable to all other genres.
I also think that "the experience of the unknown" is an important aspect to a story. I'm personally less likely to want to watch a show or play a game if I have the plot or major plot development told to me. But I think this is indicative of the problem that people are opinionated and there's not really a "base person" when it comes to what they think of stories. Maybe if the test was done to thousands of people from varying cultures and countries, you might get an accurate result. I don't know what would be a reasonable sample size.
Plus, as another anon said, it just predisposes you to an opinion. If you took some innocent kid, and told him "all black people are neanderthal Black folk that do nothing but break shit and ape out", that kid's probably going to think that when first interacting with black people.
I don't even read the synopsis because it can sometimes spoil too much. A few spoiler free pictures of the mood and gameplay is all you need to judge if a game is worth trying out.
Elden Ring is unplayable without spoilers
and it's a bad game for that reason. how is anybody supposed to say they beat the game if they needed to consult guides?
Watching anime after reading a manga is indeed more enjoyable, so maybe it is true.
Gameplay spoilers are awful though.
Story is just an excuse to do cool shit and exploring different settings in video games. Even music is much more important then the plot.
That's just because there's a lot of 10/10 video game music but very, very few plots that are genuinely amazing. When they are, it sticks with you way longer than temporal gameplay.
they dont. theres no such thing as a spoiler, because that would imply that the experience can be "spoiled" or ruined by mere information.
knowing some simple information and having an experience are two separate things unrelated to each other. if your brain cant differentiate that, then you have a flawed, subhuman brain. if you think that knowing something "ruins" it, then you're moronic. also if knowing something "ruins" it, then it was never good in the first place, because any replay of it would be "ruined". anyone who complains about spoilers is a drooling moron with inferior mental faculties.
Dumb fricking Black person. A story that features surprises and twists is the most effective when you DON'T know about them or what they will involve. You get all the "knowledge" about the story from the initial blurb and actually reading/watching it, not from fricking "learning" about it what are you fricking stupid? Are morons actually incapable of being interested in anything unless they're spoiled about all the important parts so they don't have any curiosity or excitement anymore?
found the subhuman moron that cant differentiate between knowing something and experiencing it.
Experiencing a story naturally and watching everything unfold without any "knowledge" is way more worthwhile than needing to be spoiled on all the important parts like an actual dumb Black person.
Normalize replacing spoilers with "watch the movie/play the game/read the book and you'll know"
who said anything about "needing"?
and your emphasis on making the claim that it is "more worthwhile" is nothing more than your admission that you are incapable of differentiating the two. if knowing something dampens your experience, then you have a flawed, moron brain. plain and simple.
meanwhile, the rest of us will continue enjoying things whether we get "spoilered" on them or not.
Spoilers objectively ruin the experience with any story, plain and simple. The only reason why you "enjoy" shit you get spoiled on is because you're a braindead normalgay incapable of having genuine interest or passion for anything and just go from one product to consume to another, preferably with dozens of spoilers so you can form your opinion beforehand and start arguing about the story before you're even finished with it.
>incapable of having genuine interest or passion for anything and just go from one product to consume to another
and what exactly are you basing this laughable assumption on? every post you make just makes it more and more obvious that you're too stupid to understand that people can still enjoy things and connect with things even when they are "spoiled", because you cant fathom doing so yourself. because your moron brain functions in such a way that spoilers "ruin" things for you, you are utterly incapable of recognizing and understanding that others dont get ruined and they can still find enjoyment. its so foreign to you that you vehemently deny it and make shit up to try and connect more dots and validate it. its kind of funny how unaware you are that every post of denial is another admission and concession that you're inferior.
>form your opinion beforehand and start arguing about the story before you're even finished with it.
you're spending way too much time on Ganker if you think thats how it goes, lol.
>people can still enjoy things and connect with things even when they are "spoiled"
They cannot. There's no more surprise, no more mystery, no more wondering what happens next because you already know what happens, no getting attached to characters you already know will die or are actually evil. Spoilergays are not actually interested in media, they just want to be a guy who watched a popual thing and totally knows the context to all the wacky memes and inside jokes.
>They cannot.
lmao i accept your concession
>Spoilergays are not actually interested in media
meanwhile, we rewatch and replay things all the time, on purpose, because we want to, because we like them.
i understand that your puny brain cannot comprehend this, but that truly is how things are. i pity the people around you that need to put up with your moronation and tantrums.
There's a significant difference between rewatching something and already being spoiled before you even start. Also I enjoy how normalgays always ssethe hard and go for the "Y-YOU'RE DUMB!!!!!" strategy when their views are challenged.
you're the one seething, and you also did the "you're dumb" thing. the difference is that you are provably dumb, because you're so lacking in empathy that you cant fathom people enjoying something that you dont.
also, we rewatch things that we spoiled ourselves on before the first time too. as long as we enjoyed it, we continue to enjoy it. because there is a difference between experiencing everything play out and simply knowing a bunch of facts/details.
If that study were true people would enjoy rewatching stories they've already seen more than they enjoy consuming new stories.
I don't understand people who go apeshit over even the premise of spoilers
So many start frothing at the mouth DON'T SPOIL IT FOR ME
I've never given a shit about spoilers, I've yet to experience the thing that was "spoiled", there's no validity to their spoilers, and even if it was true, I'd still want to see it for myself.
Now, there does exist spoilers that make me not want to engage with a piece of media, but I feel like I am dodging a bullet with those ones.
A good example would be Pathfinder: Kingmaker. You can't romance the Halfling bard, your very first companion on the game that you travel with throughout the entire game. I already had ~10 hours into the game, but this completely killed my mood to ever finish it. Frick these pussy devs.
Who you can romance or not in a game is not really the type of spoiler that ruins the story. It also depends on how much you have to invest into it before the spoiler is revealed. For example in Terminator 2 the fact that Arnold plays the good guy is a nice little spoiler but the movie is still fine, but in Memento knowing that he already found his wife's killer and murdered him ruins it.
Yeah, that's horshit. Spoilers completely ruin the story for me.
Have you ever seen the 2001 horror movie "The Others" starring Nicole Kidman? Turns out she and her kids are actually ghosts and don't know it and the ghosts they think are haunting them are the real people who moved into their house.
Certain games I avoid all media outlets for weeks until I complete my blind run.
It's getting so unnaturally hard to do a blind run nowadays...
I WANT the surprise.
I WANT to miss things on my own and discover them later.
Media has to spoon feed you everything and by doing so it is immediately forgettable. Breaks my damn heart.
I like to learn endgame spoilers for games I don't like and post them in discussions soon after release. It's honestly really fun.
>unspoiled
>I can enjoy the sense of mystery or surprise or whatever the first readthrough and then see all the foreshadowing and whatnot on a reread
>spoiled
>I can only ever do the latter
Simple as
that's better
No. Some things are specifically written to have tension, build up and foreshadowing ect. You can't have these things with spoilers and this is a completely smoothbrained take for NPCs
music is written to have tension and release, if I tell you lyrics for a song will it spoil that tension for you?
I hate the morons who say "it's not a spoiler it's in X promotional material" or "it's not a spoiler it's in the first hour" FRICK YOURSELF
>thread full of people trying to tell the other person what that person things
Why is it so hard to understand that people are different and enjoy different things? Oh wait.
it's fine I also lack empathy for autistic people. or half-moronic people as I like to say
It allows me to detect NTRshit twist from miles away and dropped the game before I even bother downloading them. e.g. chained echoes.
I'm about to play MGS2 for the first time completely blind. Just finished MGS1 last night and fricking loved it. Any spoilers I should know about 2 beforehand?
Helena Dolph Jackson is a patriot.
I'd just recommend watching this first.
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I wonder if that means Blizzard will overturn the ban on that guy that spoiled Avengers
Some people are into spoilers, but not me personally, once I get enough info on a game to know that I'd (probably) enjoy it I usually start completely avoiding any additional info being released about the game.
Only exceptions are if the info is being released officially by the devs in some format like Nintendo Directs, or that Metaphor stream next week (even then, if I feel like they're revealing too much I stop watching) or if the game in question is fightan. Story is usually a very insignificant factor in those games and following the character and gameplay mechanic reveals is fun.
I don't even watch the openings for most games anymore, since they tend to show off way too much shit.
spoilers usually catch my interest if it was something I wasnt considering watching or playing
only NPCs without any form of consciousness care about spoilers
There's certain media that's all about the journey. For those kinds of things, the ending doesn't really matter and thus spoilers don't matter much. These are usually the ones that are referenced in those "SPOILERS CAN MAKE YOU ENJOY THINGS MORE" studies.
However, there's also certain media that's all about the destination/ending, and for those things, the ending is a huge point and thus matter a lot. Stuff that comes to mind would be something like The Sixth Sense, Oldboy, Fight Club, Memento, The Game, Shutter Island and so on. I can't think of any vidya game off the top of my head, but you get the idea. These kinds of things become 10x less cool if you get the ending spoiled for you.
I had KOTOR's big twist spoiled for me years before I played it. I still enjoyed the experience like any other. I don't know if there's some FOMO quality to it or not but I don't think I've ever hated something just because I was told about an event that happened in its story or knew what the ending was going to be like.
At a certain point it's less about the what that's happening and more about the how the story is making it happen.
>At a certain point it's less about the what that's happening and more about the how the story is making it happen.
thats a really good way of putting it. they are separate things.
I thought I got all of Xenoblade 1 spoiled for me ages ago but when I played it a major twist caught me severely off guard. Also sometimes spoilers make me more interested in games but I don't like knowing too much sometimes. I wish I knew how to care less.
I don't care about spoilers, if the game is interesti I'll play it at some point.
this is 100% some social thing which only works with oversocialized normies and zoomers
I genuinely don't really care. I try to keep myself spoiler free but a good story can't be ruined and a bad story is bad regardless
You have said the actual truth.
Your experience going through something unspoiled is different from going through it while knowing what happens. I guess it's debatable which experience is "better", but you are still being robbed of ever experiencing it with no knowledge. There's a reason why after going through something great, it is pretty common for someone to say "Wow... I wish I could erase my memory and go through that all over again!" because that initial blind run was valuable.
I'd argue that your experience is being enhanced, as you know what to expect.
think of this example. is a novice being robbed of his experience learning if he is thought by a more experienced one?
>is a novice being robbed of his experience learning if he is thought by a more experienced one?
yes if the end product is not his only interest
playing factorio or ONI while blatantly copying designs is something you do after playing the game on your own terms
your opinion is so shit
I for one watched people play dark souls before it came to pc and my experience was enchanted because I understood game mechanics, and factorio is the same unless you enjoy building efficient bases you should see a guide it will enhance your experience
it enhances YOUR experience because you actively avoid challenge and having to use your own brain
there's a certain threshold of effort required in certain games and I will concede that if you're under that threshold getting spoiled is the only way you'll make it through, still, far from the optimal route
no it enhanced my experience because I like challenges, and moving away from noob blunders presents you with a challenge. there is no challenge in learning how to walk there is a challenge in mastering running.
>and moving away from noob blunders presents you with a challenge
being a noob is already a challenge in itself, one which requires way more effort and intellect to get through than your "monkey see monkey do" challenge
moreover it's not like by not being spoiled you're precluding yourself anything : you can still master running
No being a noob isn't a challenge it's lack of knowledge. you can acquire knowledge anyone can it's not challenging unless you are first to do it. what creates challenge is using your knowledge to solve novel problems and in games you create novel problems by using your skill in a way no newbie would.
this is why csgo is popular, because every match is a novel problem.
>you can acquire knowledge anyone can it's not challenging unless you are first to do it
bullshit
without a frame of reference you have to make one yourself and contextualize information accordingly, you have to actually apply your own problem solving skills instead of using tried and true methods and it forces you to pay way more attention to details
and again, once this is all done the challenge you speak of is still readily available
if what you were saying were true then going to school would be useless, having trainers would be shit.
school is end product focused : nobody gives a shit about the challenge, they just want you to learn X fast so you can apply your knowledge productively
this shit ain't about productivity at all
after you finish school, after you are literally spoonfed information you go to university where you are challenged. you seem to fail to put any dent into my logic.
I like how you frame it as if university isn't spoonfeeding you all the same
>it is pretty common for someone to say
yes, those with subhuman mental faculties are quite common.
Reminder that anti spoiler culture was just proto-trigger warning culture.
I hate the new Star Wars movies but what I hated even more is getting spoilered that Han Solo dies.
Seeing the image pissed me off as well and when I watched the movie I was constantly waiting for this scene to happen. I knew it would happen and to this day I am wondering what impact it would have made on me if I had not known
Like would I have been shocked
>wow I did not expect this?!
I will never know because you buttholes ruined it for me not like the movie wasn't shit otherwise
Doesn't matter to me.
If someone told you that the food you were about to eat tastes good, would it ruin the meal? They did spoil the outcome, afterall.
Even if someone said there's a bad accident up ahead -- spoiling that an accident is there -- human curiousity still kicks in.
Getting mad at it is just dumb to me.
People who say first-time experiences/spoilers don't matter are no better than prostitutes who don't value their first time having sex and use the cope that they are more "experienced" and better at sex now instead of being used goods.
There is nothing that can be gained from prior information about a movie or a game apart from a general review sentiment/score. If I watch a movie trailer my brain just waits for scenes that haven't happened.
they dont
I don't care
Yeah, in the fact that I will probably end up dropping the game.
Saucy
They don't. I skip all dialogue.