How do we fix shmups?

How do we fix shmups?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    u cant fix perfection

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp, based and /threadpilled

      add more rng

      Play Espgaluda 2, there are randomized bullets when you go into awakened mode.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    add more rng

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's a lot of good shmup roguelites on steam you might enjoy

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >good shmup roguelites
        name the best ones to play

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's probably one of those guys who put the shmup/bullet hell tags on games that have 5 slow bullets on the screen and a dodge button.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Void Rains upon Her Heart.
          Don't get filtered by the name it's a fricking amazing game.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    you cant

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want more stage obstacles.
    Bullets are nice, but actual level design returning to verticals would be great.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do you suppose to dodge this?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      luck and routing

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >luck
        skill and routing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      bomb

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually you can't. Boss triggers a 5-10 second shield every time you bomb which I distinctly remember because my stupid ass had auto-bomb turned on. Took so fricking long to kill him I never played the game ever again.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You aren't, Cave TLB's are mostly just a resource check full of impossible bullshit to force you to bring a whole run's worth of bombs and lives to the end for it to actually be possible. Ketsui is the exception to that and it's one of many reasons why people actually like Ketsui

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Except for the part where unlocking Ura Loop is harder than Ura Loop itself.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also this. Ket is still Cave bs but not because of its tlb

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was about to write "actually Evaccaneer Doom is hard but fair", heh.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You aren't. It's also why shmups have died.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Actually giving studios a budget would help. Gradius V on the PS2 was probably the last shmup that had even a modicum of money behind it, it looked, sounded and played great.

      You have a tiny "hit box" in those games. So the bullets can actually hit your ship and you won't die, as long as they don't hit the pixels in the center.
      Cave kinda ruined the genre with nonsense like screen filling waves of bullets and waifu fan service.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      As one anon said, the ship hitboxes are small. The hitbox is only where the rider of the beetle sits. The plane of the bullets is actually above the beetle, more in line with the rider's head and torso. If you look at OPs screenshot you can see that they're passing over the beetle "ship"

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You have to bomb and due in specific ways while moving in a certain pattern to move the bullet pattern offscreen so you can actually dodge for like 10 seconds. If you do this with with max lifes and bombs you barely win. It's moronic.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally 99.99% of the bullets on that screen don't matter and the game would be better if they were removed altogether. They're not even arranged in any visually interesting pattern, literally filler for filler's sake.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roguelike deckbuilding survival crafting souls-like shmup is the next and final frontier.

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do we fix shmups?
    By not following CAVE’s example.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cave owns, b***h.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Raizing>>>>>CAVE

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >owns
        nice try, whenever shmup fans say something owns, it actually sucks

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >troonymaku

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this a bait image?
    Like some sort of extra challenge that only less than 1% people actually reach?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      You aren't, Cave TLB's are mostly just a resource check full of impossible bullshit to force you to bring a whole run's worth of bombs and lives to the end for it to actually be possible. Ketsui is the exception to that and it's one of many reasons why people actually like Ketsui

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Git gud

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fixes your shitty genre by adding actual compassionate characters, Mozart-tier music and great mixture of RPG gameplay into it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      UT/DR have braindead easy gameplay with like, 3 or 4 exceptions. They'd be good if they were willing to challenge you like real schmups do. Also
      >Mozart tier music
      Frick off with that shit. Shmups have great music. Toby's is no better.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      his work is heavily derived from touhou THOUGH

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        And touhou is heavily derived from all over the place, as is the stuff of Toby.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Undertale is shit, m8

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      your shitty genre by adding actual compassionate characters
      Doesn't need it.
      >Mozart-tier music
      Play Radiant Silvergun, Gradius V, and Ikaruga.
      and great mixture of RPG gameplay into it.
      Radiant Silvergun.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I fricked up the greentexting but you get my gist.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >compassionate characters
      there is nothing "compassionate" about them. Maybe for a r*dditor's first video game it's impressive, but then you've just got a bad case of pic related.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mozart-tier music
      Don't insult Mozart like that

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bring back the euroshmup, frick it make a persona clone with shooting game on it, some kawaii voice actinge, don't make it too hard just pretend it's hard like it's dark souls 2 marketing give it some cliffhanger so the kids get to make youtube videos about the lore

      amazing bait honestly

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Compassionate characters
      >The only character people remember is the fat Skeleton who wait to kill the genocidal maniac after he has killed vast majority of the population, all because he wanted pussy from someone who was dead

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand how the Switch port of this game is so perfect but most other shmups on the Switch even Cave ports are nasty crap.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Did M2 port the game? It's good
      >someone else? It's trash

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        too bad they dont port to pc
        the point of these ports is to release the game on an modern platform but it will be a never ending issue because they dont release their ports on pc and newer consoles will keep launching with time

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        M2 didn't actually do Mushi, it was LiveWire. They're usually good, but sometimes miss.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          LiveWire just ported the 360 version, like all their other Cave ports, and Akai Katana and Deathsmiles from City Connection. M2 didn't even handle the original Mushihimesama 360 Cave port, it was Futari.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The frick are you talking about. All the Cave ports on Switch are just the 360 ports and in Deathsmiles case, it even got additional content.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make it clear to the zoomers that you haven't beat the game if you ever use more than 1 credits.
    Also bullet hell drives people away so clearly shmup devs should move away from them. A mix of lot of bullets patterns with interesting level and encounter design + interesting weapons is simply the best way and that's why games that did this tends to stick around even decades laters when the later Cave slop never really did.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally start from Gradius and add more fun weapon types as well as diverse stages. Maybe remove the ridiculous checkpoint system (which they admittedly did in Gradius V) so your run isn't massively fricked if you died in a very bad spot... then work on the bosses because honestly these games don't have very good boss encounters.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon you just want Parodius, specifically Jikkyou Oshaberi.
        Jokes aside it's just a fricking good game.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've played Parodius. Hmm yeah, the one with the optional objective to find some fairies and the narrator was very entertaining.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah

        person who started shmups in 1987 here

        the spirit of shmups has always been using many, many credits to clear the game. players who clear shmups on one credit are something like 1.00% of the audience.

        that being said, I still respect those players. However, you probably cannot even press button like takahashi meijin-- only I get to have opinion on this, your opinion is discarded into trash.

        Don't care honestly. I firmly believe shmups actually start being fun when you actually TRY to 1CC. And sure, maybe 2 or 3 or 4 credits if only to learn the game more quickly, but any more and at one point you no longer start giving a shit about the very things that makes shmup fun because you're basically invincible if you credit feed forever. You're missing the actual game entirely if you credit and bomb your way out of anything even remortly interesting that the game throws at you.
        So, disagreed.

        >and that's why games that did this tends to stick around even decades laters when the later Cave slop never really did.
        What the frick are you talking about anon? CAVE shooters are still the most popular games in the genre.

        The most popular among a core niche of shmup fans. That's not the same as actual popularity. The most popular shmup is ikaruga anyway, not anything from Cave.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The most popular among a core niche of shmup fans.
          No, I'm talking in general.

          >The most popular shmup is ikaruga anyway
          It definitely isn't.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I firmly believe shmups actually start being fun when you actually TRY to 1CC.

          I firmly believe it isn't any fun at all to try to 1cc shmups

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ikaruga's popularity is mostly because it was way ahead of the drag curve by having a world wide release (very important) on Xbox Live Arcade. The game's gameplay mechanics have always been divisive.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      person who started shmups in 1987 here

      the spirit of shmups has always been using many, many credits to clear the game. players who clear shmups on one credit are something like 1.00% of the audience.

      that being said, I still respect those players. However, you probably cannot even press button like takahashi meijin-- only I get to have opinion on this, your opinion is discarded into trash.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        uve been a noob since 1987

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're absolutely wrong, the soul of shmups, and arcade games has always been to go as far as you can with one credit.
        Arcade culture in japan has always been like that, you play one game, go as far as you can and leave the spot for someone else, credit dumping is not something anyone does outside of children fleecing their moms.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        hi aktane

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and that's why games that did this tends to stick around even decades laters when the later Cave slop never really did.
      What the frick are you talking about anon? CAVE shooters are still the most popular games in the genre.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        2h is way more popular than Cave. Caveshit only gets played by a handful of incredibly autistic people who are autistic even by shmup standards.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Touhou as a franchise is popular, but the games aren't.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Big cope. Even the games are way more popular than Cave.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Big cope.
              Project harder. Barely any "touhou fans" actually play touhou.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                This has been proven wrong time and time again with polls. Cave games are garbage and the reason why shmups all have the reputation of being nothing but danmaku vomit.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >touhou is popular because muh doujin music and hentai
                >people see touhou in poll
                >they vote for it even though they don't play any shmups at all
                It's not complicated anon.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                No it's from polls where they asked a number of 2hu fans if they had done a 1CC before and over 50% said yes. Cave is irrelevant for a reason.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cave dug their own grave by making their games largely inaccessible until it was too late. What the frick are you gonna do in 2009 when this genre was seeing something of a resurgence? Grab Imperishable Night easily off the internet or go through a load of hoops to play Mushihimesama Futari on a 360?

                too bad they dont port to pc
                the point of these ports is to release the game on an modern platform but it will be a never ending issue because they dont release their ports on pc and newer consoles will keep launching with time

                For better or worse M2 are autistic about accuracy so you're never going to see their games on a platform with so many hardware variables. At least you can emulate anything they put on Switch.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                inaccessible games are better than accessible because it means they had a vision for the game and didnt have to change what the want for the sake of the unwashed masses. I will always respect the cave.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you know what "accessible" means in this context.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's a cope by them especially since Taito and Konami frequently deploy ports by M2 on Steam
                the real reason is that they don't want people to reverse engineer their tech since, fairly, that's what people pay them for.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Mushihimesama Futari
                you can grab it easily off the internet too (the mame version)

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Magically leave out the party where I'm talking about a decade and a half ago (2007-2010 specifically) where Touhou's popularity was snowballing out of a control.
                SH3 support on mame didn't happen until way later.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would people lie on the internet?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Look at steam numbers to have a rough idea. The weeaboos do play/buy touhou, but the questin is how many hours is enough to be considered actually playing the games, and I'm not going to join that autistic discussion.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                people dont buy touhou games on steam

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                They have 1k+ review on the ones released at the same time as the physical release. ~300 on the old ones. Four Seasons for some reason has above 4k. For comparison, Mushihime and Zeroranger have 1k.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                hmm, way more than i would have expected

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Review count is not a reasonable metric for anything

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cave owns, b***h.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Big cope.
            Project harder. Barely any "touhou fans" actually play touhou.

            sorry sweetie, CAVE conceded and is making a 2hu game.....

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Credit feeding good
    1cc also good.
    If you try to do only the latter you will be frustrated more often than not, but if you stick to the former then you will not appreciate the challenge. I believe 1cc is the natural conclusion for people who like the genre and you might even go as far as No Bomb or No Miss if you genuinely love the game enough - but do start from credit feeding.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No Bomb or No Miss if you genuinely love the game enough
      Assuming you aren't playing the most bullshit CAVE games where the TLB is nearly impossible NoBomb/NoMiss

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      In all games I personally enjoy a lot I always do no damage runs. Not shumps but I got a few in Castlevania.

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can only pick one.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      def the R-Type.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      for me, it's the non-casual choice.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Silpheed on Sega CD is so fricking underrated.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Raiden has the sexiest planes

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i like the axelay

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Raiden is sexy, but the R-9 is too iconic

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      For me it's Ikaruga.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Solvatou is my wife.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        wtf

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Something wrong?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Solvatou is my wife.

            >gachashit
            groan

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              It is the natural fate of all things.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Call me when my wife Aegis gets in.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Silver hawk for LIFE

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        man this is like a symphony of low poly

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its really one of the best games that really use low poly well

          I don't like the warning in this game. Too annoying and sometimes too long compare to Gaiden.

          unfortunate because its prefect for me

          SILVER HAWK EZ DARIUS GAIDEN ON THE SEGA SATURN IS THE GOAT

          based enjoyer

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is the steam version of these games good?
            What are the best Darius games?

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Is the steam version of these games good?
              its 30 bucks on steam for essentially one game with a shit ton of "versions" in it
              Its an amazing game, but I wouldnt spend that much money on that.
              >What are the best Darius games?
              G-Darius (webm related)
              Darius Gaiden
              Darius Force
              Darius Burst
              and the original game Darius

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't like the warning in this game. Too annoying and sometimes too long compare to Gaiden.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          you can press the fast forward button if you find it too long

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        soul

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't play shmups at all but I do have this game and einhander on my ps1. Both amazingly fun and beautiful games. For casuals like me the genre needs a couple titles that are less bullet-hell and more branching paths/optional tasks to encourage replayability. Of course you can try to 1cc these too, but it's probably less of a challenge than the crazy bullethell games.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kinda what I liked about at least the early levels of einhander was that with the different equippable weapons and it not being too bullet-hell style felt like you could play the game by just playing the game and do somewhat well, but idk how to explain what I mean by this

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Star Fox 64 man

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah everyone's played it and it's great sure, not too hard either. Even has the branching paths. And it was popular/sold well right? So why weren't sequels made just like it? Nintendo dropped the ball and made some fricking RPG instead. I guess we had a shortlived casual shmup era and apparently the game companies didn't think it was worth it to continue the trend.

            Kinda what I liked about at least the early levels of einhander was that with the different equippable weapons and it not being too bullet-hell style felt like you could play the game by just playing the game and do somewhat well, but idk how to explain what I mean by this

            coolest thing in einhander to me was the optional tasks and branching paths within the mission, always blew my mind when I found a new one.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Adventures is great!

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eh yeah I played it when it came out and it was fun enough, but it's not the sequel to starfox 64 I was hoping for. In the previous gen I only had a ps1 so I could only play SF64 at my friend's house. During the GCN era I was excited for the next starfox game that I could actually own this time, and was let down.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't have star fox, a rumble pak, or a memory card but I still liked adventures. The little shooter sections are really good.

                Just make Einhander or Star Fox/ That it.

                Assault had worse flying segments. Didn't they do the Rogue Squadron 3 thing with on foot parts?

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I got so much frickin' mileage out of the demo disc
              the first stage
              between the branching paths, the fact that you could choose gunpods on reruns
              you can get the juno, the riot, and I can't remember if you could get a third weapon in the first level or not but finding them gave it a lot of replay value

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hell yeah I had the very same demo disc. Played the shit out of it then was lucky enough to get the game later.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                aww yeah

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't play shmups at all
          >but I play G-Darius and Einhander
          where did this notion that only danmaku count as shmups anymore
          in some ways darius games on their harder paths are harder than first loops of the average CAVE game because it requires different skill/memo
          danmaku necessarily being harder is a fallacy i hope we get rid of, in some ways they're more fair especially once you learn a particular game's scoring mechanics and you can stock up on resources which older arcade games can be much more stingy about. also your ship's hurtbox is smaller.

          anyway here's some shmups you might like, maybe some of you want to wishlist them for the incoming shmup sale
          https://store.steampowered.com/app/1364760/COTTOn_RocknRoll_SUPERLATIVE_NIGHT_DREAMS/
          lots of characters to play with, variety of set pieces
          https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Qute
          Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronicles by this developer have a story mode you can grind weapon levels on and play on different difficulties.
          https://store.steampowered.com/app/377870/DARIUSBURST_Chronicle_Saviours/
          https://store.steampowered.com/app/1442820/RType_Final_2/
          if you like the idea of casually grinding for content then look no further. r-type final 3 on PS5 has exclusive content if you have one.
          https://store.steampowered.com/app/1133300/Sisters_Royale_Five_Sisters_Under_Fire/
          one of the most underrated games of all time, it's bullet hell but it's castle of shikigami in its most approachable form. there's a subgenre of danmaku that encourage you to "graze" bullets for score and powerups and you can get a very good taste for that here.
          https://store.steampowered.com/app/1884300/Deathsmiles_III/
          bullet hell by the notorious CAVE but trust me it's very fair. for deathsmiles 1 play MBL, pick difficulty level 1 for all stages and skip the extra stages, then you only have to worry about the last stage, and hopefully you'll see it's not that different from routing G-Darius.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is all very cool of you, thanks. I think the notion of bullethell being the only true shmups just comes from some of the autistic gatekeeping that inevitably happens in a niche genre like this. Being a roguelike fan I've learned to respect the autism of other genres

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              A lot of us just like touhou

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            rtype seems cool and all, and I played final on the PS2 once ages ago
            but the slow scroll speed kinda bores me a little =/

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's fair, R-Type is the original "puzzle game as a shmup." You get some powerups and keep going until you eventually die and then you need to figure out how to play from the checkpoint well enough to repeat the cycle. Definitely not like the modern shmup that doesn't use checkpoints.

              And actually you reminded me of another horizontal shmup.
              https://store.steampowered.com/app/1975360/DRAINUS/
              Here's one by Team Ladybug who did Touhou Luna Nights. It also has a story mode and the main feature is customizing your ship midrun. Well, also the drain bullets thing, too. If anything I'm kind of sad this didn't make more of a splash. This is probably the most consumer-friendly (not just for arcade diehards) modern shmup on the market. On sale now too.

              • 9 months ago
                Yes

                DRAINUS I'd say caught the right people, but it's legit a touch -too- easy for what it is after you clear stage 2 regardless of difficulty. It's for sure the type of game where Stage 1&2 is the hardest it gets because by the 2nd loop you've got so many tools you just trivialize what's in front of you.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            CAVE isn't even really a danmaku game anymore because its gotten to the point it expects you to destroy the bullets like any other enemy

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or the Type-C from the other games.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Make them require an eye tracker. Play entirely by looking at the screen.

      The original Gradius will always be my #1. I'm a Vic Viper guy to the end of time.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did you kill Vic Viper in Zone of The Enders 2?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      SILVER HAWK EZ DARIUS GAIDEN ON THE SEGA SATURN IS THE GOAT

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gradius or Raiden. Everything else is some ugly trash. Honorary mention to Starfox and Darius, as they're just half-bad instead of completely disgusting.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly I see no DOJ Type-A.
      I'm going for silverhawk.

    • 9 months ago
      Yes

      Silverguns in hand
      SPEAK TO THE HEART
      I LOVE YOU

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      No love for Twinbee? I thought he was cool as a kid

      His games on console are garbage though, only the arcade one was good

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah Twinbee was my choice, luv punching some mofos

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >His games on console are garbage though, only the arcade one was good

        NES Twinbee was a huge part of my childhood with my brother

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of these ships is not like the other.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      We talking snes arwing or N64 arwing. The r-9 just feels too gimped compared to the other r fighters for me to to pick it outright, but I'd take it over snes arwing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looking back at it, I do remember there were some old set of shmups seem to be good, so outside of Aleste and Star Soldier, which other sorts of old shmup collections are good?

      Also gets me to think if it wasn't for Puyo Puyo causing their initial financial problems if Compile would've continued making shmups. Hudson Soft's issues I don't know too much about

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        What's wrong with the puyos?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Apparently, Puyo Puyo's success was something that Compile was heavily banking on to the point of trying to make a theme park out of it, that apparently had so much expenses that it resulted in a bankruptcy.

          Hudson was completely fine they just merged with Konami. Junkie has a video about it.

          Oh, then in that case it's just a pity to not see more done with Star Soldier outside of that one Bomberman reference nowadays especially considering how their most recent game was just caravan-mode only, hell Konami should do more with the shmup IPs they got.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hudson was completely fine they just merged with Konami. Junkie has a video about it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      sorry not sorry

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Under Defeat worth spending time on?

    Also thanks to that anon who mentioned Crisis Force. That game is radical.

    Also thanks to that one anon who shared this song. Got any more secret stuff to share?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      better to play the games that inspired it imo

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which games would those be?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          i mean, any vertical military-type shooters...there are so many

          i would say play ikari warriors, but it'd make me a sadist

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    In Caladrius Blaze the girl you're playing loses some clothing when she gets hit, I believe that was a step on the right direction and wish Mushi had a similar feature.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      reco (futari design) is my wife and is the main character of the best shump.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    gittin gudder

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Recommend me some shumps games with god tier soundtracks

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Viewpoint - Neo Geo
      Silpheed - Sega CD
      Gradius V - Playstation 2

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      DDP DFK
      game sucks tho so play KETSUI

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lords of Thunder - Sega CD
      Thunder Force V - Sega Saturn
      Thunder Blade - Arcade

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Verification not required.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        My homie.

        Recommend me some shumps games with god tier soundtracks

        Psyvariar 2
        Psyvariar Delta
        Border Down
        Ikaruga
        Radiant Silvergun
        Thunder Force IV / Lightening Force
        Ketsui
        Ibara
        Einhander
        Gradius V
        DoDonPachi
        DoDonPachi Daioujou
        ESP Ra.De.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Touhou 2-16

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Thunder Force IV
      >Gradius III
      >Star Fox SNES
      >Armed Police Batrider
      >Battle Garegga
      >After Burner II
      >Salamander 2
      >Nightstalker

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Darius Gaiden

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Is the steam version of these games good?
        its 30 bucks on steam for essentially one game with a shit ton of "versions" in it
        Its an amazing game, but I wouldnt spend that much money on that.
        >What are the best Darius games?
        G-Darius (webm related)
        Darius Gaiden
        Darius Force
        Darius Burst
        and the original game Darius

        >Fake starts playing https://youtu.be/ldxyXJlPoaA

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          For me?
          https://files.catbox.moe/2k1epi.mp3

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >webm didnt attach

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yo! Is this an official remix of Fake?

            • 9 months ago
              Yes

              It's not one I know of myself, including with how much Zuntata remixed FAKE over the years at that.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's not one I know of myself, including with how much Zuntata remixed FAKE over the years at that.

              Zuntata, Constance Towers - Captain Neo ~Arrange~ (Darius TGM Vol.2)

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                this fricker is kind of hard once he's headless, pure endurance at least on area D

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ketsui.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Raystorm

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      eschatos, dodonpachi daioujou, blue revolver come to mind

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Cho Ren Sha
      DoDonpachi Daifukkatsu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6wbfQkUI7I

      ESPRaDe

      ?list=PL827315398484AB7D

      虫姫さまMushihimesama

      ?list=PLxNA0dLULZ08FGCA9pzMsidgsja6SqQ3Hg

      Crimson Clover World Explosion

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love every start of a run in this game

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      murasaki/murasaki tsurugi

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Comfy game

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Forgot the link

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        also every single milestone game

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Einhander and Dodonpachi Daifukatsu. Don’t listen to the anon that shat on Daifukatsu, it was the game that properly got me into shmup a and it’s great fun.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cotton's PCE ost is pretty great

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking love ESP Ra.De. Psi

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Deathsmiles
      GG Aleste
      Sin and Punishment 2

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Darius Gaiden, and G-Darius. Those are THE soundtracks, my friend.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shumps games with god tier soundtracks
      You've got a lot of games to pick from. More often than not, this particular genre fires on all cylinders when it comes to the soundtrack.

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    more randomness less routing

    it will be decades until this can actually happen everyone normal thinks they intrinsically hate shmups and shmup autists have permanent bad taste

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Controversial oppion im sure, but ditch lives in the traditional sense of starting a level over again and just have a life meter. Likewise, those shmoops that feature suicide bomb options where your bomb stock essentially works as health is a fun idea and really makes you take risks and is fun having them drop and bounce around the stage as you desperately try to grab em.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      My idea is your ship gains experience in the game and levels up, and you can lose it by dying and also expend it as a resource.

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you haven't played this you're hopeless and your genre deserves to be dead.

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    make it 3d, put it on rails and call it sin and punishment.

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    People forget that gamers originally played hardcore games like shmups for softcore pornography. Now with porn being plentiful there is no reason for shmups. There is no fixing it and no need to fix it. Just get rid of them.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Clothing damage on an all female cast and ENF fetish catering.

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >charge Wave Cannon for one minute
    >fire
    >forget
    >????
    >PROFIT

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic.

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Add more bullets

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Schmups peaked with Area 88/ U.N. squadron and it’s been downhill ever since

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why is it so rare to have shmups with different weapons you can cycle through at any time?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's annoying to keep track of.
      That said, play Andro Dunos 2.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Modern STG gaymers just want DDP clones

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    by rereleasing them to more platforms

  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I try to play Cho Ren Sha (Windows) the music is noticeably slowed down and doesn't match the pace of the gameplay. I tried every compatibility mode and nothing changes. Any idea how to fix it?

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when Cave got so desperate that they tried to appeal to Pierce Brosnan? Good times.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Pierce Brosnan
      the heck do you mean

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The arcade flyer asked if you liked fat girls.

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's picrel

  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm thinking about buying Dariusburst during the shump fest. What am I in for?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      a lot of branching paths
      zuntata on crack

    • 9 months ago
      Yes

      Arcade mode either already being solved, or doing offline local learning you need to clear it like some 3000+ times to get everything.
      The 'campaign' for real testing your endurance and how well you think you know how to play shumps with it's challenge/limited loadout stages.
      Free mode chances are where you actually end up playing 90% of the time given you can use any of the DLC ships for it.
      Also dual screen support being fricking livid.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Also dual screen support being fricking livid.
        what definition of livid is being used here

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Space Harrier count as a shmup? Good.
    Posting this song because it's the greatest thing I've ever heard.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Does Space Harrier count as a shmup? Good.

      yeah, of course

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      unplayable without a flightstick

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    post your shump collection shumpbros

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i have rez, r-type final, and gradius v for ps2. i kept those specifically because 1. i was able to and 2. they represent a part of my life i enjoyed with friends

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pic related is what I own physically. It's a modest collection and some I've had since I was a kid.
      Digital:
      >Ikaruga
      >Raystorm HD Collection
      >Deathsmiles 1 and 2
      >Raiden III & IV

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        When I was a child I played the frick out of Panzer Dragoon Orta, I wanna go back..

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm very glad the Switch got such a huge amount of Shmup ports over the years

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't.

    You either have the crippling autism required to repeat the same actions over and over again to commit the games to memory or you don't play shmups.

    By dumbing them down and making them more accessible the normalniggoids will just call them "only 20 minutes long" and b***h about how they aren't open world or some shit. The core audience will be buttfrustrated they're so boring and easy.

    Shmups are niche, for better and worse.

  38. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    HOLY SHIT SHUMPBROS
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2478020/Rayz_Arcade_Chronology/

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      GOD IS HERE
      GOD IS HERE
      GOD IS HERE
      https://store.steampowered.com/app/2450820/Radiant_Silvergun/

      Wishlisted. Thank you, Treasure and M2.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ray'Z is coming to PC
      FRICKING FINALLY

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's so special about that game?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        ZUNTATA did the soundtrack, for one.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >M2 port on PC
      REAL??

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are already 2 M2 ports (Darius Cosmic Collection and G-Darius). But no shottrigger. Maybe 10 years from now.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Taito port on PC, like the Darius collections M2 did before. Their self published ports are still console only.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      LOL I WAS THINKING OF WISHLISTING THE SHITTY CONNECTION PORT ON STEAM
      BEST FRICKING ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE YEAR

      >M2 port on PC
      REAL??

      Taito published, M2 has no choice.
      ShotTriggers is their own label and they want to protect their emulator tech at all costs.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ahhhh the cbt franchise

  39. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    GOD IS HERE
    GOD IS HERE
    GOD IS HERE
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2450820/Radiant_Silvergun/

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      HOLY SHIT SHUMPBROS
      https://store.steampowered.com/app/2478020/Rayz_Arcade_Chronology/

      My wallet's about to take a pounding!

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wallet

        reminder, 0 people involved with the game will receive money from that

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      now everyone can stop pretending this mediocre shmup is the greatest thing ever made

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        But Ikaruga is already on steam??

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no keeb support

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >treasure has lost the plot

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      cmon livewire just push Espgaluda II now so I don't have to wait until Christmas for it

  40. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick this taito shmup shit where is my fricking port of elevator action returns

    NOT the fricking port of the fricking playstation collection emulated bullshit version

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Buy a saturn gay

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        i want to play it on STAYM

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon it uses all 6 face buttons AND the shoulders, do you even have enough of a controller to handle it?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            way WAY ahead of you

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            by the way anon since you know elevator action returns a game will come out one day with the initials M N and it is heavily inspired by elevator action returns even though it's very different as well

            name your favorite thing from elevator action returns. this is important

            also you will know it is my game because you can call a pterodactyl even though it makes no sense to be able to do so

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              The ducking

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick yeah bro. what if i told you that you can even duck *while jumping*

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've trained for this for YEARS in goldsrc.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't want to say too much because i'm in rudimentary stages and I think if this game comes out it will take 5-6 years but it is kind of like elevator action returns with some various elements that vary the gameplay, some roguelite-type features but moreso about picking up things you can equip for your next run rather than powering up in the middle of a run

                it will also feature a CQC system inspired by The Boss(tm)

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds really fun actually.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                😀 I hope I can provide you with a fun experience.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                so you're gonna feature meta progression?
                not my favorite feature of modern games, but hopefully it helps you sell!
                g/l with your endeavors

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                oh and if you don't have amazing music and style, i'll be very very very sad

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                no it's not really meta progression, it's meta sideways progression i guess? about unlocking different rather than better things.

                there will be some upgrades, but the game also features the concept of a "power shop" which is an important shop that you can't buy certain things from if the game judges you to be too powerful. encourages a balancing act.

                the goal is the tight design of 16/32 bit era games.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the city connection port is good though, your best bet would be waiting for hamster but there's really no point. there's basically no difference other than the saturn version by ving adding an extra digit to the score so you can't counter stop it.

  41. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >RNG
    takes no skill
    >no RNG
    memorization

    You can't make a perfect shmup

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      memo is a skill as well, i've seen people fail miserably at what should be an easy memo part because they kept doing different things without noticing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you could figure out how to make enemies have a bit more advanced AI in a shmup instead of just using scripted fights and tracking bullets, it might have a better balance of "randomness" and "memorization".

  42. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of M2, DOJ stream next week:
    https://www.youtube.com/live/bZsPoNfPPmE?feature=share

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finally, a DOJ stream. Time to hit that bell notification.

  43. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    rerelease einhander

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Square should still hold the copyright and they've been happily letting Live Wire do the CAVE ports. Is there a dev group with a good track record for PS1 ports/remasters/upscales? That would be your best bet.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Square should still hold the copyright
        KH3 had references to Einhander so they probably still have

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          really?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah the superboss of the gummi ship areas is Schwarzgeist from Einhander, not only that but the music that plays during the fight and its attack patterns are all based on Einhander too
            There's also a gummi ship you can unlock that is based on Endymion

  44. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    This theme has been stuck in my head for awhile

  45. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  46. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    With more story focused games.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      elaborate

  47. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Alltynex dev teased a remake.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      source?

      With more story focused games.

      also i just remembered this is coming out
      twin stick shmup

      clearly meant to appeal to people who aren't us

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        looks dope if it wasn't on the gaystation

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a remake of a remake
      Cool but is it really necessary?

  48. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember a game that I coulda swore was a vertical scrolling shmup
    the only thing I remember about it was that the playable characters were like, people using magic rather than ships

    I think one of the characters was a girl using a staff and flying on a cloud and the only reason I remember this is because of that character's boob jiggle on the attract screen animation

    I was 7 and saw this as an arcade cabinet in some small town shop in italy and i've never been able to find out what this game was

    does anyone know anything, this had to have been between 1996 - 1998

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This?
      https://kidfenris.com/mlf1.html

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        This sure looks like it, holy shit
        ...is this game any good?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I literally just googled
          >vertical shooter girl cloud
          I have no idea beyond that.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            huh, I tried a similar search plenty and it never came up

            cool thanks

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              This coupon expires if you weren't posting here on the date issued.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's one of Psikyo's best along with its sequel.
          the other candidate i had in mind is

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          ah yeah the first poster was right

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          huh, I tried a similar search plenty and it never came up

          cool thanks

          Gunbird is pretty popular and well known. I remember playing Gunbird 2 on my Dreamcast, and I have the old Mobile Light Force (the NA localization) on Steam.

          It's okay.
          It's an older style shmup, so gun power-ups that scatter and get lost upon death. Sort of Raiden-style. The big deal is that it looks nice, having the Capcom polish, and your different characters have different attack patterns. Nothing too exceptional these days, although much more impressive back then.

          The version of Mobile Light Force on Steam was an awful port, but you can't get that anymore anyway. Steam now has Gunbird and Gunbird 2.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            apparently Gunbird Steam is the JP PS1 version still or something because I remember the nerds saying the 2nd loop is completely different from arcade

  49. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do we fix shmups?
    More bullets
    Bigger hitbox
    Slower movement
    Inverted controls
    Shaking screens
    Mandatory "Epileptic Genocide" mode
    Smaller screen

    >Verification not required.

  50. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play Graze Counter GM.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      No.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes!

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'll pass.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cute girl
      I am interested.
      How can I play it for free right now? I will not do my own research. Take responsibility for trying to get others to play.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, I don't spoonfeed zoomers who don't know how to pirate.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          K I won't play then

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >girl
        nobody tell him

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      uoooh

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I already have, fun game.

    • 9 months ago
      Yes

      Owning the OG GC and then getting GM, it really just felt like more of the same with a few tweaks on how things played out. I'll admit though the unlock ships feel far more unique now then they did before.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it really just felt like more of the same
        Well yeah, it's a remake of the game on GameMaker instead of whatever he used before.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't understand grand cross

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I did, didn't like it, and got filtered by the boss who goes behind you in the 2nd difficulty mode.

  51. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >still trying to organize and tag my massive shmup music folder

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like Musicbrainz because it lets you tag music with an autistic amount of detail, down to the point of even labeling songs based on their original works.

  52. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    More games that buck the arcade pedigree
    Stuff like Tyrian 2000, Jets N Gun Gold, and Monolith, give me euroshmups but good

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Monolith
      i hate its dashing system
      >dash left/right
      >the character dashes left/right
      >dash up/down
      >the character dashes forward/backward instead
      why, just make him dash up and down

  53. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thoughts

  54. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a shmup noob but funny name aside this is my favorite one, what do shmup nerds think about it?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      good doujin series overall
      i think the super nerds would agree 2nd is best though

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It looks interesting, i'll give it a try too

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBudg5ekli0

        based, the soundtrack is what got me into the game

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          SSH always delivers.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      apparently if you can get your hands on the NOT black package version it's the better game (back to faster bullets)

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's pretty good, the practice system is sad tho

  55. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait for mine to come out in three years ;_;

  56. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play Eschatos

  57. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blue Revolver Double Action is never coming out. It's time to move on.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the hell is danbo doing nowadays?

  58. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    So when are we getting senjin aleste to PC?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, I...

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        these games are nothing special at all
        they're not even "solid" or anything
        totally forgettable

  59. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone have the mega link for ZeroRanger?

  60. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just make Einhander or Star Fox/ That it.

  61. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is bangai-O a shmup?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but idk how to play it.

  62. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jus shmup

  63. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    GG Aleste 3 on the Game Gear was patched recently, you can play it outside of the collection now.

  64. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    remove credit feeding but also remove 1ccs, it's a stupid dichotomy, also make 'scoring' aka playing well in a specific way diagetic instead of a number

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Making shmups about score would be really interesting. These days people also like build variety, because it fosters different playstyles. Ok hear me out:

      >game is based on getting as high a score as possible
      >leaderboards posted online ofc
      >can invest in skill trees during a run to change your playstyle
      >"skills" don't really upgrade your ship but instead boost your score accrual for certain actions
      >ie bonus score for hitting enemy weakspots or consecutive shots without missing
      >even weird shit like bonus points for time spent in certain areas of the screen (low flying bonus!)
      >use different ship skill styles to boost your score as much as possible

      I feel like this would be the most fun in a 2.5D game like einhander or star fox, really opens things up.

  65. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got recommended to try Batsugun last shmup thread because I liked Cho Ren Sha.
    I can definitely say without a shadow of a doubt now that I do not like shmups. I only like Cho Ren Sha.
    Thanks for reading.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao did they recommend vanilla Batsugun or Special?
      try something like Eschatos or Judgement Silversword/Cardinal Sins
      those are much more in the vein of CRS
      my next recommendations after that would be SITER SKAIN games, particularly Kamui or RefleX. these are actually on sale right now too and you can always just refund them

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think they specified and I'm not sure which one I tried. Whatever was on MAME.

        Fine, I'll try those others you mentioned. Great thing about these games is that they are in no way any sort of big commitment.

  66. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we can do a score battle on any STGs with other shmup nerds. Not sure how it would work out.
    I still need to work on my Darius Gaiden and my DaiOuJou scores.
    Been nice talking to other shmuppers nonetheless.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ew, I don't. Stay away from me.
      It's fun to talk about but playing against the kinds of obsessed weirdos who suck all the fun out of the genre is a good way to hate it.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, maybe not with those players. Survival battles can be a thing here. Whoever goes the longest without continuing wins.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Since you posted Sayo-chan's game let's just do 2 player co-op.
          Lots of stuff on fightcade available right now to play online.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            We could do that some other day.
            >fightcade
            Never heard of it.
            Getting late and I'm starting to feel sleepy. So next time we'll talk whenever there's another STG thread if possible.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >another time
              How many times have I heard that before...
              Well, here are the links anyway. Weird that you haven't at least heard of it before.

              Fightcade 2 Download:
              https://www.fightcade.com

              Fightcade 2 Automatic Rom Downloader (Put files in the "emulator" folder and then just join a game's lobby to have it download it):
              https://lofi.netlify.app/post/fc2-json-pack-auto-download-roms-from-fightcade-2/

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Man the new Pocky & Rocky was cool.
          Sayo is cute

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish alice gear is an actual shmup instead of a gacha

  67. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    nobody outside of students and neets has the time and energy to focus on a 20-40 minute game where a slight mess up can be extremely punishing. in an arcade setting, you'd have to wait that long if someone else is playing. score runs in some touhou games can easily go over an hour

    i think something like the avoidance genre in iwbtg fangames would be more accessible. each game is one boss that only lasts the length of a song, and the main goal is to not get hit. the only issue is you usually aren't "shooting" anything

    i wanna be the music 2 does this idea decently well for an arcade-like experience

  68. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Innovate. One thing I've been thinking of is having bullets on separate planes with a mechanic where you have to shift between said planes to avoid specific patterns.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Already been done. It sucked. You suck.

  69. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dumbass mech dual wielding big pistols
      you have my attention

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        pretty sure they stole it from r-type and probably a few others I swear ive seen that pistol wielding mexmch in so many shumos

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Post an example then, if you've seen it so many times.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          so i'll get to see it a lot?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can hear this webm crystal clear

      Excellent! Excellent!
      Don't be afraid of failure in your mission!
      Now keep an eye on the enemy's move.
      Trust your power, your luck, your spirit.
      >tfw you are excellent

      ?t=65

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is going on my deck when I find it on cdromance.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it feels like there doesn't exist any 1cc runs on youtube that don't start with pre-selected weapon pods
      call it autism but I feel like if the ship's main design point is grabbing new weapons as they appear, why start with powerful ones right off the bat? I always start my runs empty

      • 9 months ago
        Yes

        You'll want this because they don't even checken out on launchpad and go fully for score. Also all secrets.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          this here's the good shit thank you

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ran into it a while back, and the SECOND I saw x16 times 6 on stage 1 I knew this was 'the run' to watch and keep saved.

            >it really just felt like more of the same
            Well yeah, it's a remake of the game on GameMaker instead of whatever he used before.

            I guess that's fair. I have both regardless + the OST's as the dev's worth the support.

            Are these actual open lobbies or is this like a list of supported games?

            List of supported games, the icon in the top center of each says how many people are in each lobby currently.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh I'm blind, didn't see the tiny player count. Community seems almost nonexistent but this mite b cool for playing a round every so often. My internet's kinda shit though, not sure if I could handle a co-op shmup or whatever.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              lol this you then

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWVnsgGTEz4
            You'll want this because they don't even checken out on launchpad and go fully for score. Also all secrets.

            yesss damn

            finally a "this is how it was meant to be played" tier run

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still trying to 1CC these two.
      Surprisingly quite close to do it on Ikaruga.

  70. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    turns out the one thing I really like in the genre is the sound of "ENERGY MAX" followed by the animation of your missiles firing in ikaruga

    the final boss having a phase dedicated to just that made me very happy

  71. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  72. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      God I love Cho ren sha.
      Very portable and really addictive

  73. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  74. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  75. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did type final 2 become rtype final 3 yet? I heard it get mentioned but when I try looking it up the results make it seem like some April fool's joke

    • 9 months ago
      Yes

      PS5 only ATM, still no word about PC and other platforms getting updated.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick I'm salty, I'm still stuck on PS4.

  76. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      why are non touhou stgs so fricking boring with bullet colors? I get readability is important but this was never a problem in touhou up until WBaWC anyway

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >only recognize the probably 2hu bullets, plus Ikaruga and Strikers 1945
      man I don't know shit about shmups
      though I did at least play some of the Orange Juice shmups

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m pretty sure none of those bullet pics are from Touhou. Unless one of them is some super obscure bullet type from one of the photography games or something.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I immediately recognize Gradius V, Ikaruga, Mushi, and Ketsui. I'm sure at least most of the DDP games are in this, too.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      idk
      idk
      deathsmiles
      hellsinker
      ikaruga
      mushihimesama
      blue revolver
      dodonpachi daioujou
      idk
      some psikyo game, probably gunbird
      battle garegga
      idk but looks like a hibachi pattern
      idk
      idk
      idk
      guwange
      some psikyo game, probably one of the strikers 1945 games
      cho ren sha
      dodonpachi saidaioujou
      idk
      idk
      psyvariar
      idk
      idk

  77. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate this weird-ass super-autistic game so god damn much.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Couldn't unlock Scarlet Queen Spirit Kernel form, eh?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a game made for casuals what are you talking about?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, I mean, like, it just freaks me out okay? The overlay with all those indescribable meters and bars, how points are called "spirit", the strange and overly-ornate names for regular-ass menu options.
          I just don't get it.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        but why

  78. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  79. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      M2 when pls
      Though I'd be even happier if they ported Ibara.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      M2 when pls
      Though I'd be even happier if they ported Ibara.

      Legit if it got an M2 port I'd love to have it list what characters are valid for the secret boss to appear before the main boss dies.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        They did say an Armed Police Batrider port is in the works, but that they ordered the composer to redo some of the tracks first because some original songs are dangerously close to being considered plagiarism

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This game has more secret bosses than normal ones.

  80. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  81. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm convinced tonnor just throw random shit when he makes his music

  82. 9 months ago
    Croccy

    Hear me out... What if you could turn multiple directions?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      In deathsmiles and thunderforce v you can either turn around or have weapons that attack from behind.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean like in defender?

      • 9 months ago
        Croccy

        Yes.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      play cybattler

      • 9 months ago
        Croccy

        >cybattler
        This is actually incredible. Thanks, anon.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous
  83. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are these actual open lobbies or is this like a list of supported games?

  84. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    not that anon
    Looks similar to homeboy here, however rtype final was PS2 and einhander was PS1

  85. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  86. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  87. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do I install the BIOs for Fightcade 2? I have both a neogeo.zip and a neogeo folder in Fightcadeemulatorfbneo.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      nvm got it

  88. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't really been following the thread, but thanks to everyone who posted links to games.
    And to anyone who plays just one or two games, just stick with what you enjoy. It's a genre that's meant to be played however you like.

    Just finished up a playthru of Crimzon Clover myself.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      what type?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        C-Type, Novice mode
        Just doing something casual.
        Z-Type makes the game too easy at times.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        C-Type, Novice mode
        Just doing something casual.
        Z-Type makes the game too easy at times.

        I'm a sucker for Type-II myself, even if it keeps getting nerfed.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't really play enough to have a favorite, although I think that Type-II (the one that trails its options behind it) is a lot of fun. It just gives you more varied attack patterns than the others.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >even if it keeps getting nerfed
          What? why? it's my favorite ship type even if I suck at playing it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            CC -> WI it got a general damage nerf as it takes longer to clear things then it used to (Sky's big ships near the start are a perfect example of what I mean where you could easily nuke them before they'd even start firing in the Doujin release, but WI you both clear less and have to deal with their fire clogging the screen more with the same routing)
            WI -> WEX nerfed the options on bosses, selectively in moving them to be directly in/on top of breakable hitzones to clear them faster (Stage 2's spider boss' legs now take forever to fricking clear with Type-II as a result.)

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Aww that's lame

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          now try arcade original

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stage 3's flower spam and Stage 4's deep cloud thunder segment both ensure I cannot 1cc Arcade successfully even if the rest of it isn't that bad (even the EX boss is a lot easier then beating stage 3 without dying). If lives weren't as strict/limited I might have edged one, but as it stands it's just beyond me currently. One day though.

            We need a cinematic shmup. Like God of war. Use the old game Viewpoint, or 3d Mario world as your model, isometric, cartoony and chunky. Each level would feature multiple levels, or planes (not vehicles) to switch between. While the game maintains a 2d shooter mechanic, the camera ought to be incredibly dynamic and set up differently for different set pieces or action moments you want to produce. Go God of War style and have Enemy kill animations after weakening them for a flashy finish. Then go blaster master having to defend yourself with a smaller dude until you repair your ship. The camera zooming in to your guy. The game should show scale and make you feel smaller than the ship.in this sequence.

            Ether Vapor and Astebreed already play around with this a lot I have to say, if anything both games get held back more via production values then attempts to be cinematic.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Stage 3's flower spam
              you just stream towards them and restream when they're gone
              >Stage 4's deep cloud thunder segment
              the one with those laser things that form polygons? iirc the hexagon phase has a safespot somewhere while the rest aren't too dense
              but in any case you can still bomb when things get bad
              t. flailed out a clear while listening to a trackmaniastreamer

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Will edelweiss make another Asstobreed after the success of Sakuna?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I couldn't say myself in earnest, if anything still waiting on more from Qute myself as while not as cinematic, they still clearly took pages from edlweiss playbook with Ginga Force and Natsuki Chronicles.

  89. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't play CAVE

  90. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    We need a cinematic shmup. Like God of war. Use the old game Viewpoint, or 3d Mario world as your model, isometric, cartoony and chunky. Each level would feature multiple levels, or planes (not vehicles) to switch between. While the game maintains a 2d shooter mechanic, the camera ought to be incredibly dynamic and set up differently for different set pieces or action moments you want to produce. Go God of War style and have Enemy kill animations after weakening them for a flashy finish. Then go blaster master having to defend yourself with a smaller dude until you repair your ship. The camera zooming in to your guy. The game should show scale and make you feel smaller than the ship.in this sequence.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      uh yeah bro that's cygni

  91. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  92. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'M 31 YEARS OLD AND I JUST WANT TO 1-CC THIS GAME BEFORE I DIE

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I really like the promo art for DOJ/SDOJ

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you will never pilot an advanced fighter pilot controlled by a waifu
        why live

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This shit looks kinda awkard, the DOJ method was better.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just leave it to the kids
      you do have a kid right anon?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >having kids
        >when the world isn't magically growing any bigger to accommodate a growing population
        lol

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not a problem for all the brown people. 🙂

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            using 🙂 lowers the quality of your bait dramatically

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why even bother? They'd only inherit a scorched Earth.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      you had to do that in your 20s.

  93. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do we fix shmups?
    I'm shilling my game every thread, but this time I'll just talk about my design fixes:
    >danmaku style movement, focus button that makes you slow and shows your little hitbox
    >health system, with bombs that consume health (using a bomb is always better than getting hit because you lose half life)
    >megaman style levels, no autoscrolling
    >no 'finish in one' sitting kind of experience
    >fixed amount of lives at mission start, if you get to zero you lose your checkpoints and need to restart the mission
    >permanent power ups you can change on the fly to adapt

  94. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    what happened to Blue Revolver: Double Action? It's been 6 years

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
  95. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How are the Lethal Operation games? All of them just released on Steam.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2453690/Lethal_Operation_Episode_1_healer_Rugitta/
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2453700/Lethal_Operation_Episode_2_destroyer_Rei/
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2453710/Lethal_Operation_Episode_3_Lethal_Arms_of_Justice/

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those doujin shmups? Man I haven't played those in forever.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's a third one?

  96. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    SDOJ on Steam when?

  97. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are harrierlikes a shmup?

  98. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make them easier to get into, and make additional hard modes that are fricking hard. The score system is only for the top 10 players, everyone else doesn't give a single frick so stop designing the game around score. Touhou is bigger than the entire genre and that is the reason, you can just go and play 'em. And even getting into touhou games is kind of hard.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Touhou isn't more popular because its easier, Touhou is popular due to its memetic presence in early internet culture and its shitload of fan content.

  99. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with them, OP pic is a bait image, most games don't look even remotely like this outside of something like a 2nd loop secret boss or similar which only handful of people will get to with abusing cheats

  100. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember that time where Kamiya embarrassed himself by making this terrible game?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was it really that bad? All I remember about the game is Platinum being a bunch of israelites and selling the story mode as DLC

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        There was a big focus the story and obnoxious voice acting and he tried to pull off a wonderful 101 formation system but it was very janky, also like

        what the frick were they thinking with that graphics?

        said the game looks crusty as frick, there are decades old shmups that look cleaner and better.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      what the frick were they thinking with that graphics?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's alright, janky and really ugly but I like the huge amount of attacks you can use instead of having the usual shot + bomb and maybe some subweapon and hyper. It's certainly a Platinum take on the genre for better and for worse.

  101. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    PLAY LIKE DREAMER

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather fap to poorly drawn anime tiddies tbh

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather fap to poorly drawn anime tiddies tbh

      She needs more porn by the developer himself

  102. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    *game lets you go behind walls*

  103. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    *saves the shmup genre*

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now this is a quality shitpost. I do like Monolith though. And Starward Rogue, though I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only one in the thread who's even heard of it.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Now this is a quality shitpost.
        Sadly I was sleeping and missed most of the thread, I wish I could've made it earlier.

        >Starward Rogue
        Never heard of this one, I feel a bit reserved regarding the game's look but it does look interesting to play.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          'fun but kinda jank' is Arcen's wheelhouse. Most of their games aren't shmups, though, so aside from Starward Rogue and maybe The Last Federation if you squint, they aren't particularly thread-relevant.

  104. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    shmup/dating sims hybrids

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      How would that work?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that Progear? Kind of.

  105. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Psikyo never reclaimed the Aero Fighters IP

    All I can do now is pretend a dolphin is flying my plane whenever I play a Strikers 1945 game.

  106. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play |][-@I7 in vitro #デッド・インヴィトロ.
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/2403370/I7_in_vitro/

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      shmup devs be like
      >hmmm how could I lower my sales even further? I know! i'll pick a completely nonsensical name for my game!

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You think that's bad? Check out _____ by Platine Dispositif.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah this one is beyond autistic, the game even has a unique literally untranslatable language.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the game even has a unique literally untranslatable language.

            "literally untranslatable language" means "made up gibberish" anon

  107. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Send Zun bankrupt. Litigate him with hardcore anti-pedophilia laws. Several times in several nations clocking up a few centuries of down time. Then you send him to the deepest, dankest prison rape pit in Turkey and throw away the key. That would at least send a message. This one creep has turned an entire fun genre into a shit shower. See, the dark secret of 2Hu is that the vast majority of the fans are just there for the pedo imagery and have never played the games.

    So until then, we have to suffer through the dark ages of shmups.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ok, OppositeWinner

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even if ZUN never existed all the current touhou fans would still not touch the genre.
      The only thing that MIGHT have changed is the fangames turning into unique standalone titles but i'm not sure the people who made fangames would've been interested if it wasn't for the existence of the series.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      zun actually bases the bullet patterns off legal responsibilities that he's dodged in the past, you'd only be making the games more successful

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh pedo noooooooooooooo
      have a nice day right now. e-girl is based, and I dont like toehoes

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah it's his fault that the genre's dead as shit and not the fact that the games are too old and punishing for the average gamer to even attempt it. 2hu waifugays barely even play the games anyways. It's all a big meme, they wouldn't touch the games at all if it weren't because that's where their waifus come from.
      The fact is, Touhou is popular despite being a SHMUP, not because of it. It's not leeching off the genre, it's carrying it's whole corpse.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zun is genuinely a great dev and even if you hate touhou you have to respect him. He does everything a good indie dev should do. He doesn't enforce his copyright and just lets his fans do whatever he wants, makes the games he wants to play and outright says he would just keep making them even if no one bought them because he just makes them for himself, actively brings in prominent fans/circles to help make the spinoff games and absolutely sticks to keeping it what he wants it to be, keeping it in a genre without mass appeal and doing all art, music etc by himself because that's what he wants it to be.

      He's a great indie dev, one of the best and few who deserves what he got. And honestly if he wasn't like that Touhou would probably have never taken off. When if you absolutely hate touhou and everything around it I don't see how you can hate Zun.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >makes the games he wants to play
        kek
        Nobody want to play garbage like TD and any of the new games (16 - 18, HBM and the new """phantasmagoria""")
        >outright says he would just keep making them even if no one bought them because he just makes them for himself
        No, he's 100% doing it for personal gains at this point. He could had delayed his shitty games to fix it but still put it out
        >And honestly if he wasn't like that Touhou would probably have never taken off.
        lol
        lmao even

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick the 50 clears moron is here

          At least he couldn't ruin the thread with his autism

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            ???
            I'm not Mariax (formerly pearl) though? Are Touhougays this stupid that you have to make up a narrative?

  108. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think being able to shoot in both directions in a horizontal shmup is an obvious first step.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Play Deathsmiles.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Already have. I like Follet and Casper.

  109. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you liked Einhander, you'll like Strania: The Stella Machina, AKA Zweihander
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/407380/Strania__The_Stella_Machina/

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would enjoy this more if the entire Dan weapon usage system wasn't so jank at times. Otherwise legit creative and fricking fun ass shooter that both routes are worth playing.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        What's so jank about it? An EXP system for weapons that purely governs score bonuses instead of shot power seems simple enough

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see how those games looks related but I trust you anon, picked up. I do also like GRev's work anyway. I heard of this before but never knew it was on PC too.

      I got 4 new shmups to try out of this thread, maybe more because I ignored Darius and maybe I shouldn't have.
      Quite impressed to see Radiant out of nowhere, I was enjoying it a lot on Saturn emulation but the input lag made it harder than it should be so I'll buy it on PC for sure

      the usual /vg/ tards who shit shmup threads up here were still asleep while this thread was active, so thankfully we could have a good one

      Which /vg/tards in particular?

  110. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    More games like Mars Rising / Deimos Rising?

    - Patterns are not a stupid maze
    - Faster, harder to dodge bullets
    - Don't die in 1 hit, instead, it's about dodging as many things as possible on average.
    - Charged shots and separate air/ground weapons to increase the skill ceiling of offense (most bullet hell shooting mechanics are extremely boring).

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Euroshump
      Jets'n'Guns is legit the best one of the pack, look into it at some point if you haven't already.

      What's so jank about it? An EXP system for weapons that purely governs score bonuses instead of shot power seems simple enough

      Weapons either level up so fast that you use them for all of 5 seconds and then hit 10 Dan and now feels like a total waste to use it ever again (even if it's extremely good) or they take fricking forever to even get to 2 Dan and you're stuck with a crappy gun till it's solved (GOD DAMN FRICKING REFLECT I HATE YOUR FRICKING GUTS AHHHH), and if not for stock being 1mil each, it would be somewhat ignoble, but you legit play for score to play to clear as legit it's really easy at times to just get clipped by a sudden popshot, including doing the escort/destroy missions with everything shooting the second it gets on screen.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Reflect is really good at taking out popcorn (especially for the escort missions) if you know how to position yourself, plus you can combine it with Side and position yourself horizontally next to high-HP targets to decimate them

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd 100% rather be using Direction then Reflect 9/10 times, including for it's low ass damage output. But this is legit a personal gripe as playing on Hard is the only 'real' way to play, and as such you kinda want (and I myself need) every little edge you can squeeze out. At least it's music is far worth the admission price and practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFeZE5NOiDY

  111. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >actual shmup discussion on Ganker
    i love you guys, here's my almost-clear in DOJ 1 round

  112. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is too based, it feels wrong seeing this on Ganker

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the usual /vg/ tards who shit shmup threads up here were still asleep while this thread was active, so thankfully we could have a good one

  113. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    that shit doesn't look even remotely fun, that's just pure autism pandering garbage

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have only played tuhu but I had fun with it. In the end the only bullets that matter are the ones right next to you and all of the rest are shiny fireworks to make it look more impressive

  114. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I bought DoDonPachi Resurrection on switch and I can’t get past stage 3.

  115. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't mind me, just having the best aesthetics in shmups.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They alright
      Their hit sound could use some work though

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hmmm who should be the pilot of our super advanced and expensive space fighter?
      >hey this literal child looks like the perfect candidate!
      based

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, they're all virtual ships inside a mad computer. They're basically piloting expensive intrusion software.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Refrain's a great game with great music. I enjoy my 1cc attempts.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why didn't they use this design instead?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        They did, in the prequel called Redrive.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I thought redrive was just a beta version like hellsinker 0.95?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, don't remember.

  116. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >includes ridiculous timeout phases in what's probably the easiest EX stage in the series
    >bullets so fast that the only confirmed human clears are with slow mode hacks
    >never does it again
    I know some cave shmups had some anticheese patterns but still, what the frick was ZUN smoking?

  117. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >age 11
    thanks for the vital information, game

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't believe how fricking hard Varstray is. A shame it's abandonware

      They just know their fanbase.
      But seriously, dickysmiles is a really amazing game.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I remember hating Varstray. What do you mean abandonware? The dev disbaned?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I remember hating Varstray.
          I respect it. The game is hard and can be frustrating. Imagine thinking a full run should consist of 2 loops of 12 stages. What they were thinking?
          I do like the characters/music/"story" (despite the broken english translation) and I respect the animated bits for the story.

          >abandonware
          The game has some "bugged" achievements that reference a gamemode and difficulty that doesn't exist. Devs know this and they said that it was supposed to come in a new patch or something (they said this back in like 2017-2018) so to this day there is still this "mystery" about this missing gamemode and difficulty.
          Devs dropped the game and are working on the New Trouble witches port for consoles and shit.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I remember now. The translation was god awful and it was nonstop bullet hell. It was just exhausting to play.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also I think it was the same two bosses over and over. Extremely lazy designs. I can see why they ditched this for Trouble Witches instead.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, it was an unbalaced mess.

              The Void Rains upon Her Heart.
              Don't get filtered by the name it's a fricking amazing game.

              nta but I still need to play this, the amount of content it has is amazing.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's important that your players know they're not fapping to hags.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        So where's the version of the game made for non pedos wierdos like myself

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you play shmups you like kids sorry man

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          right here

          PLAY LIKE DREAMER

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nonconsensual sex with Casper!

  118. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like fighting games, they are fine. The only problem is the casuals who like the 'idea' of playing them but don't actually like playing them.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The only problem is the casuals who like the 'idea' of playing them but don't actually like playing them.
      We call those nonplayers. See Touhougays as an example
      Nobody in Touhou threads have any worthwhile achievement with the sole exception of myself

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        smooches, superkekker

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day moron. So many shmup and touhou threads ruined by your autistic ass.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >improving thread quality standard is ruining them
          Huh? Are you moronic lol

          smooches, superkekker

          I don't get it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't get it
            just saying hi

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        By "we" you mean your troony discord server, correct?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Take your meds lol

          >I don't get it
          just saying hi

          Hello, then.

          >discordgays woke up at the thread's end
          Almost made it there

          Again, I have no idea what you're talking about.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who is "we", then?

  119. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite "Shmup" is a port of an arcade game I had on the NES called "Dragon Spirit". I haven't really cared about the genre since, honestly

  120. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any KINO shmups like Zeroranger with more of a focus on story

    I know most of the genre isn't like that but on the offchance...

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Play the alltynex series

  121. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    A good shmup thread??? on Ganker?
    I'm surprised. Good job fellas, take care

  122. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good shmup thread.
    Same time next month?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Will mark my calendar

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a radiant silvergun thread up. Poor guy must have missed this thread.

  123. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >1 cc'd the game on normal and hard
    >can no miss nearly every stage
    >still lose lives in this section almost every time no matter how much I've practiced it
    only when watching the replay I notice when the ship that survived spawned and shot me. this section is driving fricking insane man, I can never see what kills me

  124. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >discordgays woke up at the thread's end
    Almost made it there

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >check the /vg/ thread
      >it's actually unironically a discord drama circlejerk
      What the frick? kek

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's all of /vg/

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Somehow it's even more pathetic when it's about shmups. I honestly was not expecting that. What a bunch of manbabies.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            why did you think a genre that makes you look cool (to other internet addicts) would repel secondaries?

  125. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  126. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really good thread but it needs to make room for more bear fricking and troon sliders.

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