how do we fix the MMO genre? Is it possible? Did wow do too much damage or can ffxiv save everything?
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how do we fix the MMO genre? Is it possible? Did wow do too much damage or can ffxiv save everything?
>can ffxiv save everything?
it already has
FPBP
giant IP throws their dick in the ring or non-meme VR mmo. everything else is insufficient
The only good MMO ever (Life is Feudal) was too highbrow for basically anyone. 3D Diablo is all you will ever get.
then why was it infested with brazilians
There's nothing to save. XIV already saved the genre.
There is no community in mankind anymore. MMO's die without community.
>a VN fixing anything
You ffxiv fans are adorable.
wow is an afk raid sim
ffxiv is an afk raid sim + a vr substitute + a mahjong ladder + a kino fishing game + a high level VN + fujo bait + 2nd life + a top of the line JRPG + a 10/10 ost pipeline
it has it all, it's the most full mmorpg there has ever been
>a kino fishing game
>a mahjong ladder
Those are the only actual "game" parts that you listed. A VN with nice paint is still a VN. But I guess since it has those things this is more of a movie game, huh?
calling it a VN is giving it far too much credit. In most VNs there are actual branching paths, choices matter, ffxiv is literally just a movie
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d-do they mean body type????? A-are they implying there are physical differences between gender? I'm gonna....I'm gonna.....ACK
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don't worry, FFXIV is going to have pronoun sliders in the next 5 years, and you dipshits are going to call Yoshi-P a hero for adding them.
>and you dipshits are going to call Yoshi-P a hero for adding them.
Only if they add body type /d/
What's the point, how would a npc who is a stranger know your pronouns in the 1st place?
yeah wake me up in 5 years then, in the meantime I will be laughing at all the body type 1s and 2s playing a maze simulator that actively despises what little players it still has
>maze simulator
>When every dungeon after ARR is a hallway
I don't give a shit about the troony part of your post, but bullshit like this is why no one takes you guys seriously.
That's not what maze means but even if that is what it did mean I still have no idea what you meant by this comment because the poster would have been calling ffxiv dungeons unmaze-like
What this is this nonsense rambling. FFXIV detractors aren't sending their best today.
>maze simulator
I love XIVgays pretend they're not like WoWgays. You're both "mazed". Stop making these games your personality.
The game was already destined for that path when Yoshida caved in to gay crying that he didnt want to add gay marriage to the game.
>pronoun slider added
>garleans address your character by their sex and always use pronouns that match your sex, even when they are supposed to be redeemable.
>npc fetch quest givers don't ask your pronouns in the early game and don't care until you are world famous
>there is nothing alphabet people can do to make people call them by their mental illness sooner.
>there is nothing alphabet people can do to make people call them by their mental illness sooner.
If anything story skip sales will go up.
So WoW devs can retroactively change shit and XIV devs can't/never would? You guys are the most insane posters I've ever seen on Ganker.
what? I'm thinking of a kino implementation, because why the frick would the garleans treat their mortal enemies how they want with that kind of thing?
And rerecord 15,000 lines of "he/she"? I don't fricking think so.
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uncensored sauce plz.
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FFXIV is a BIG part of the problem. It doesn't even have world pvp or a real economy. Even OSRS is a more complex and satisfying MMO than FFXIV in every way imaginable, at least WoW USED to be good. What kind of fricking moron plays FFXIV? It's the MMO equivalent of grinding braindead gacha shit. It has no redeeming qualities. Are people for real with this shit?
It's an amazing social game.
No other MMO has a world worth exploring or existing it except FFXIV.
It's extremely popular just for the fact that it's the only one of it's kind left. It's the only real non-propaganda pozzed game left.
The only big game left where the developers aren't screaming about how badly they hate white people for being born with white skin.
>The only big game left where the developers aren't screaming about how badly they hate white people for being born with white skin.
You fricking poltards make me laugh
It's only racism if it's against whites, and based if it's against other races
It's also a fricking asian mmo. Why are you applying western and white politics to it? because it suits your agenda. Frick off.
I never use /misc/.
I am Asian American, and having the writers of your game going on a tirade over how awful whites are just by virtue of their skin is a bad look no matter the race/game.
FFXIV developers love and respect ALL of their players, and politics come into the picture solely because it stands among those other, tainted and ruined giants.
You have made yourself look a fool.
>crying about /misc/ already
Mindbroken.
>It's an amazing social game
Again, no it's not because it doesn't have the essential elements of an MMO. In games like OSRS, rift, WoW, etc you had emergent player generated events occurring like all out wars, making guilds to game the economy, or just two dudes teaming up to quest in a harsh environment. ERPing on your cat boy avatar is not an amazing social experience. FFXIV is a dull and awful game for boring unimaginative people.
>Again, no it's not
You are now objectively wrong, because if you ever played FFXIV you'd know that it's huge solely because of the social factor.
This game is on Second Life levels of people living in it. You can bash it all you want, it's you in an ocean of people praising the game and their interactions on it.
You just aren't making a good argument, at all.
>You are now objectively wrong, because if you ever played FFXIV
I played FFXIV and it's just dead instanced zones and dungeons where no one ever communicates.
>Our game has mentally ill trannies afking in cities and buying billboards irl to advertise their child grooming ERP discord therefore my game is better.
Yoshida is a scammer and an incompetent moron, and the people praising him are mindless drones.
>still hasn't added hats to new races lmao
>a game is only social when the game forces you too
i swear to god wow gave everyone brainrot when wotlk came out cause this is just not fricking true.
Yes, because the game has mechanics where you need to interact with other people to do what you want. It makes the world feel alive and you're not alone.
In FFXIV, unless you're interested in going to night brothels, you're always alone. Why do you think people call this a single player MMO?
Yes, a game is only social when it has social events. You can't arbitrarily apply the tag of social because you feel like it.
>You can't arbitrarily apply the tag of social because you feel like it.
>social events made by the community and players is not social because it's not baked into the game.
you guys are the reason mmos are bad now
>social events made by the community
What, like
? Because ffxiv has nothing else. Might as well get groomed on discord.
1 event that even the entire ff community laughed at is not the representation of the whole
>Why can't you have both?
there is nothing wrong with asking this question, we should have both i agree but to say that ffxiv is not social in it's entirety is just pure ignorant if youre the same anon as before.
>that ffxiv is not social
Its not. It even discourage you to be social. They are literally turning the early expansions into a single-player game with Trusts.
By your definition, any game with a chat box is a social, and THATS whats moronic with your shitty argument.
a game where people regularly host events whether it be out in the world, in major cities, or at their houses were people talk and interact with each other is yes, social. what you are asking for is the game to be like wow where everything is railroading you to raid with 25 other people and that's not whats ever gonna happen and the game is better off like this.
social = talking while raiding
Wrong. There is a social community and a social game and you need to learn the difference between the two.
Theres literally nothing in the game for it to be social, a new player will blitz through the game without ever interacting with someone.
But if you go out of your way, you can find a "community" in literally every game, even Doom if you so wish.
>Wrong. There is a social community and a social game and you need to learn the difference between the two.
Nice argument. Try harder next time you want to defend your shitty game that is literally the textbook of whats wrong with MMOs.
>There is a social community and a social game and you need to learn the difference between the two.
wow players when they don't have to do 50 dailies a day because if they miss one they don't get to raid with 24 other people that they dislike.
>wow players
rent free
>chat box
>party finder
>roleplaying tag
>housing
>quests and systems that are intentionally vague to force you to collaborate, such as fishing, Eureka, Bozja, blue mage, etc.
You're actually insane.
>fishing, Eureka, Bozja, blue mage
You can't lie even when you try, because none of that is "social"
>dude it's not even social because i waited a month for discords full of people to collect info together and make a google doc for me
>people building a wiki is a social event
unironically yes
>fishing, Eureka, Bozja, blue mage
>Vague
You know you used a guide to get coordinates or ask for coordinates. That's not vague. Bozja especially isn't vague. It was designed to be moron proof when Eureka demonstrated that FFXIVtroons can't handle an MMO.
>it's not vague because other players spent a month collaborating to trade and piece together info they had to discover for themselves
>spent a month
you're coping VERY hard right now trying to make a point
>NOOOOOO CREATING SYSTEMS WHERE PLAYERS HAVE TO COLLABORATE TO FIGURE THINGS OUT LIKE OLD MMOS ISN'T SOCIAL
This is your brain on estradiol.
you're not smart by creating scenarios in your head that didn't happen.
Which you took no part in. You took no part in this social event that you claim is such a huge part of the game. You and thousands of other players looked at wikis and videos to learn things because ffxiv players CAN NOT stand losing for more than 10 minutes and will dip out after 3 wipes because you chinless homosexuals expect each other to already know all the answers or for someone to teach everyone.
>That's not vague
Its literally datamined. Blue Spells were all found out even before the update dropped. DRS literally had no mystery on it. The whole mini thing was discovered 3 days in.
and systems that are intentionally vague to force you to collaborate, such as fishing, Eureka, Bozja, blue mage, etc.
>Quests
Rarely ever do this even having instances forcing you to exit parties because they won't start if you're partied with someone. Hell it doesn't even let you do most instances with others unlike 1.X which made Job Quest Parties a thing especially for the final fight.
>Fishing
Single Player content. Calling this social content is like saying Discord while playing Animal Crossing offline is social.
>Eureka/Bozja
Arguably the only correct answer you have here given how unlike the rest of the game it actually discourages solo play.
>Blue Mage
You're joking right? The game practically tells you where to get the spells and the overworld is so piss easy that getting most spells is a cake walk. Should have narrowed that down to Duty Specific spells. That said beyond the Duty Specific Spells most of its "endgame" was originally made with a single player instance in mind. Most players dont even have BLU to 50 and the hardest BLU content is Savage Raids for an Achievement which most of the community demonizes with diapergay stereotypes.
The game doesn't "practically" tell you where the spells are--they're literally on the logs lmao. I agree with you by the way.
Yeah, this spell just tells you exactly where to get the spell. It's right there, "this spell is only obtainable from the goblin A rank hunt but you can also get it much more conveniently if you queue into Breath of the Creator and get it from the trash mobs there". Literally right there in the log.
It takes 2 minutes to get from one end of the map to the other and with the exception of those mobs 90% of the spells are pretty brainlet tier.
>Gee I wonder what enemy uses this classic blue mage spell from the other FF games
Just because you're moronic doesn't make it vague.
>It takes 2 minutes to get from one end of the map to the other and with the exception of those mobs 90% of the spells are pretty brainlet tier.
Yeah and how often is that A rank up?
>Gee I wonder what enemy uses this classic blue mage spell from the other FF games
Gobskin isn't in any previous game. Most of XIV's blue magic is new.
Different anon, I've been playing a while but never tried out blue mage. Do you know if there were any differences to how blue mage was designed back in stormblood compared to now?
It was mostly squishier and had a lot less options. There was no mimicry at first and you really couldn't do shit except for the Carnivale. Some people challenged themselves and squeezed out Bahamut victories but it wasn't really designed for it at that time.
How is meeting up at your player house any different than logging into a discord? Why is it so hard to drive this into your thick head? In other MMOs people team up because they have similiar goals or interests, even if its something as simple as not being ganked. FFXIV is not like that. It doesn't feel like a grand adventure where you gather your party and do RPG things. Having a house party is so gay and removed from that, especially because it occurs privately instead of something like this:
No one is laughing like this in ffxiv. Haven't heard anyone laugh like this in a video game in a long time actually.
how is this any different from joining discord and having a wedding on vc
because a horde Black person cant show up and rape your wife, I thought that was obvious
Doesn't WoW require you to team up and travel to the raids/dungeons. FFXIV doesn't even force you to do that much. I remember getting blown out early on in FFXI because I was solo in the overworld. I had to ask for help constantly before I learned about trusts which was a late addition. FFXIV has never been a social game compared to actual MMOs.
Only the older versions of the game.
Mythic/non LFR raids require you to run there/get summoned
>Doesn't WoW require you to team up and travel to the raids/dungeons
if classic has proved to us anything it's that this shit didnt fricking matter, people just raid logged got summoned by a lock thats out of bounds and logged off until raid time.
Why can't you have both? A community is a core part of a social game, but the game should naturally encourage it too. Stuff like that should be fun extra optional stuff. Not the main way to interact with people besides raids.
No, the reason MMOs are bad is because they are a relic of old times. People don't want discovery and adventures. WoW was born out of a need for a online DnD game and did very well at that at start. People who played WoW were "nerds" and were chastised for it
Now everything is rail-roaded to keep the every single moron engaged to keep the money flowing. There's no filter, your target audience is "everyone you can bait". You always need new players, new ways to keep people in, to keep the ball-and-chain.
>WoW was born out of a need for a online DnD game and did very well at that at start.
wow was born out of a need for an easier to get into everquest what the frick are you talking about.
>It's an amazing social game.
I'm good on talking to obnoxious ween trannies
>No other MMO has a world worth exploring or existing it except FFXIV.
World and world interaction is boring as frick. Good story and lore doesn't mean it's a good MMO world.
>It's extremely popular just for the fact that it's the only one of it's kind left. It's the only real non-propaganda pozzed game left.
I really feel like wow is the only MMO that's 'woke'. If you mean in general there's still plenty of games that aren't giga woke garbage, you're just not seeing them because you're too focused on the ones that are. And this really doesn't have much to do with the game's quality. Even most woke games aren't woke to the point of sabotaging themselves.
>I'm good on talking to obnoxious ween trannies
Stopped reading here. You can't fight from this angle anymore.
FFXIV doesn't have to pick their pronounds.
WoW makes you pick your pronouns.
Trannies are extremely rare in our playerbase, and I play on Balmung and I can say that confidently.
WoW is the transgender game, made by transgender developers, played by a majority transgender playerbase.
You lost, pick your pronouns.
Balmung? The one with the gay ass rp party with the troony dj who got btfo? In the same game where going to diadem, firmament or a city state means that there will be trannies in the chat talking about transitions? That Balmung?
>troony dj who got btfo
huh?
>goes into hiding after billboardgate
>party goes on anyway
>biggest party in the history of mmos
>misses out on thousands of dollars worth of donos
Wow is made by trannies and played by troony hating boomers
FF is made by non trannies and played by them. Even if their not 'actual' trannies gay gays rping as women is troony tier shit
WoW is made by transgenders, played by transgenders, and celebrated by transgender.
You have to pick your pronouns on Wow.
Balmung is a party city, you can pretend that isn't sick. FFXIV is known for having bigoted FCs that actively exclude trangenders, especially on Balmung.
You know what you get on World Of Warcraft? Can you guess? I think you might know the answer.
You pick your pronouns.
>Balmung is a party city, you can pretend that isn't sick.
It's sickening that you think you lobotomized moron.
I play there, I enjoy the bustle of that city every day.
It's the peak of modern day MMOs, that city is the apex.
Cry all you want, I don't even want you there. The game is booming, and I'd rather piss babies stay away.
I don't really get what's special about it compared to other MMOs it might have more traffic and people getting around just due to FF being the biggest MMO? And I don't even hate the game you fricking troglodyte but it really isn't peak MMO design by anything but just meeting the already terrible standards of most major MMOs now. The genre needs to change. God you are a dense motherfricker. That or baiting. Kinda hard to tell with XIVgays
Didn't read WoWbuck.
You need to pick your pronouns NOW
>No other MMO has a world worth exploring or existing it except FFXIV.
Be honest anon, the open world part of FFXIV is abysmal and low effort. Nothing more then a poorly used backdrop for the msq.
I take friends on walks through the scenery all the time, it's a great world to RP in. It's everything you want from an immersive beautiful fantasy world, fit with interactive environments and full buildings opened up just so players can run through them and socialize/RP.
It's a beautiful, fantastic world.
This is the second time I've seen you post this in defense of the game's world design and visuals
Frick off, you're not fooling anybody
>fit with interactive environments and full buildings opened up
I roleplay too and you're full of shit. Try to walk into almost any building after ARR, they're all closed off. The exceptions are the inn at Ostall Imperative and the Lalafell-only houses in Kholusia.
>lying on the internet
>on Ganker
wowbucks are deranged
I'm literally roleplaying right now, brainlet. The only buildings you can actually go inside are in ARR, aside from the ones I mentioned.
>can't climb the colossus fountain statue in Sharlyan
>can barely ever peek into random houses just to look around
one of like 3 things wow has over ff tbh. Add to that kino tab targetting instead of actual dogshit (tabbing in frontlines makes me want to kms) and the toybox mogging the frick out of fashion accessories.
I've never played WoW but I'm jealous of everything I've seen of its world design. I'd kill to be able to roam around Eorzea as freely as you can roam around WoW.
>you'll never get to walk around the golden wheat fields of Paglth'an
>you'll never get to go climb around the blasted West Shroud
>you'll never get to see the Coerthas Central Lowlands again
>you'll never be able to swim across Silvertear and go see the southern half of Mor Dhona again
>you'll never EVER get to properly explore Amaurot
That's in-game? That city is beautiful, I love that distant glow.
And this is what FFXIV looks like? I always thought it was low poly and murky like WoW. That lighting is insane.
It's a mod of a dozen shaders. That gay is being disingenuous.
FFXIV's lighting is terrible and I say this as one of the biggest XIVgays in the world. Once you use shaders it's impossible to go back because the game's natural appearance is vomit inducing.
Whats the best shader and settings?
>No other MMO has a world worth exploring or existing it except FFXIV
>MAN I SURE LOVE BROWN AND SNOW. GREAT FOR ME THAT THAT'S DESCRIBES 80% OF FFXIV
Such a varied and amazing world. Totally worth exploring without the good bfm pulling wool over my eyes.
>MAN I SURE LOVE BROWN AND SNOW.
Absolutely wrong, play the game.
Also, you play WoW, pick your pronouns.
>brown
>Thavnair
>Thanalan
>Ahm Areng
>Gyr Abania
>Bozja
>half of fricking La Noscea
>Azys Lla
>Ruby sea (brown but with water)
>snow
>Garlemald
>Coerthas (one of the largest accessible regions in the game)
I have 0.0 hours in WoW and think you are a huge homosexual.
>No other MMO has a world worth exploring or existing it except FFXIV.
Play some real open world games like BDO.
Ever since 2.0 the world in FFXIV is just instanced shit and nothing feels connected. You can't even walk out from a city like Limsa without instances, while in 1.0 there was non.
Why are XIV haters so low iq?
>IT'S NOT A troony GAME LIKE WOW
Lmao.
Yeah, it's funny, so they added it
Nothing to do with gender politics
It's actually because balmungoids kept taking up Q&A time asking the same fricking question for like three years straight and Yoshida was sick of it.
>That godawful handwriting
As expected from the subhumans that use that DC. They could have the best shit in the game but they are completely worthless ass homies in real life.
>terrible handwriting
>male bawdwear
>male bunnies
>erp dc
americans are a plague on this world, especially the gay ones.
>Funny
Don't fricking bullshit. You know they did it for all the game femboy erpers. I think gender locked anything is stupid but don't fricking pretend that's why.
Oh you disingenuous motherfricker. If WoW did it you would blame it on politics instantly. Drink your soup. There will be gender sliders and you will be happy.
It's for fun. Everyone you see wearing those outfits are joke characters being goofy.
WoW bucks can't even enjoy simple gags without "troony troony troony troony". The inside of your heads must just be playing alarm sirens on repeat.
You are B R O K E N.
>th-they opened gender presentation options for fun
>my Ford truck driving, shotgun slinging, red-blooded hard right conservative god Yoshi-P would NEVER add pronoun sliders to my game
FFXIV fans are so fricking unreal. I genuinely can't tell if you guys are being ironic and that's insane.
We do not need to pick our pronouns.
WoW players NEED to, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO pick their pronouns.
You lost.
Phahahaha. The only reason why you guys claim there are no trannies in FFXIV is because you don't socialize for 90% of the game.
damn op btfo
>FFXIV is because you don't socialize for 90% of the game.
I socialize ALL DAY on it. I spend thousands of hours talking to people in a packed Ul'dah. Trannies are NO WHERE to be seen. They are rare, everyone who actually plays the game knows it.
Larp more, and pick your pronouns you mazed buck.
>I socialize ALL DAY on it. I spend thousands of hours talking to people in a packed Ul'dah.
lol what a loser
I have a ton of friends that I love to make laugh, I work out, I eat great.
My life is perfection, WoWbuck, I don't want you to have any of it.
Stay off of my paradise, and please, please remember to pick your pronouns.
>I have a ton of friends that I love to make laugh, I work out, I eat great.
discord "friends" don't count
I do in fact count them, along with my workout friends, my stoner friends, and my neighbor that loves to do morning walks with me.
Make sure you pick your pronouns.
literally every single game and especially rpgs and especially mmorpgs has trannies. Autists have like a 1/4 rate of trooning, there's no completely avoiding them. Best you can do is not solely cater your game to them
You can avoid troony players easy enough, but you can't escape from the actions of troony devs.
The hilarious part is its fricking easy.
I mained healer and tank.
It is practically impossible to run out of MP on any of the healers.
They're just lazy fricks.
Think most healers now have the perception that they're invaluable and losing them is a b***h like in old MMO days, but that's more tanks than anything.
They spend every waking hour getting mad over video games. What do you think?
>It doesn't even have world pvp
every mmo with world pvp is dead except for osrs and that isn't even the reason people play that game.
Wildy is a huge part of OSRS and wpvp was a huge part of WoW from Vanilla to the end of MoP when the game started hemorrhaging players. It doesn't even have to be WPvP, just having contested quest objectives and resources leads to people teaming up. When classic WoW came out I made a bunch of friends pretty much immediately just from grouping up to do quests more easily in overpopulated zones. There is no social element in FFXIV.
>or a real economy.
this also applies to WoW and pretty much any themepark MMO. Its really depressing how devs are too lazy to balance a player driven economy so they just opt to get rid of it altogether.
riot games will fix it
they are implementing trading between realms. Just like how it is in osrs/rs
moron
Runescape economy is set up in both rarity and quantity of certain items needed making trading valuable.
It's not just that you CAN trade its that you want to trade because of how difficult to acquire some items are. They also end up being extremely expensive
This.
Trading between realms means nothing in FFXIV, gil is useless, the game has hundreds of currencies to lock up content.
FFXIV's Economy is fricking worthless. The last time it had any value was in 1.0 but now the devs made a game where no one is ever left behind gear wise thanks to Tokens and invalidating crafting hard.
not necessary true, there are still many rare items, mounts, and furniture that are worth a ton. Most gear though I agree. Again, there are exceptions such as some cosmetic stuff that people really want.
>there are still many rare items, mounts, and furniture that are worth a ton
no there isn't. Map shit drops HARD in price after 2 weeks and mounts haven't been tradeable since PotD/HoH
And who the frick cares about furniture
>And who the frick cares about furniture
Because its a cosmetic and the endgame of any mmo is always cosmetics. People in Runescape trade fictional hats that give no stats for tens of thousands of dollars. In the end, people want to be able to flex on other people, and cosmetics give them the ability to do so. You may not be interested in it, but you can't ignore that it is a functional part of the XIV economy. Housing is a massive portion of the XIV endgame.
Except in RuneScape those are the extreme ends of wealth. The majority of their Economy is reliant on gear across all builds and not cosmetics. People need to keep creating runes en masse or armor to keep up with PvP losses. Getting non crafted armor or anything for that matter like in XIV doesn't exist in anything but WoWclones. FFXIV invalidates resources and crafted gear with constant loot drops for easy endgame and leveling content. The only people who actively participate in the economy have fricked it over to be worthless though that's more thanks to the game design.
>mounts haven't been tradeable since PotD/HoH
???
Why in the frick can you mb the two gilsink mounts?
None of that matters for a healthy economy. Even in real life you want the middle class majority to be constantly trading. If your idea of a good economy is just luxury items then it's worthless.
what was RS economy like? I like making gil in ff but it's also pretty easy, I can just print gil doing pretty much anything. What are some games with a real economy?
Mmos just have shitty gameplay that doesn't work nowadays. FF isn't anything special, just playable wow but weebshit
The only MMO that has the chance to make it better again is the one by Riot simply because they have the tools to make a good one.
They won't though and we both know that
As i said they have the tools to do so but only time will tell.
>appealing to raidgays
>good
it's doa
>best moba
>best tac fps
>soon to be best mmo
based
At the very least it seems Ghostcrawler wants social interaction to be a bigger focus judging by one of his replies where he indirectly said if you want a single player game go play one instead of an mmo.
>the one by Riot
they're even more pozzed than blizzard
Ashes of creation has a solid chance too, but the Pozz will infect all vidya in time.
Man I'm 25 years old, most people here are probably my age or slightly older. When Ashes of Creation comes out we'll all be probably in our early 30, hopefully married with our MMO being a full time career, kids, and a wife. The game isn't going to come out for at least another 5 years realistically, maybe longer.
ashes is just a scam, $500 alpha and kickstarter funding says it's just some exit scam to make a few bucks before they release some garbage and frick off. All they have is le pretty vistas and nothing more, game will bomb harder than new world
First step would be to stop supporting shit games like xiv and wow. If you pay for them the publishers will think that's what you wanna play.
If you don't like what's being said, change the story. WoW got popular because it took the standard MMO concept and made it appeal to as many people as possible, and FFXIV largely is a SP game. I think Vanguard had the right idea of coming up with an interesting world, but it failed in a lot of respects. They need a world with S--l.
gayest mmo ever made
the mmo genre can't be fixed because mmo players don't want to play a good game. what other genre has players willing to pay money so they can skip playing the game?
How can FFXIV save anything when it is an example of the damage WoW did to the genre?
MMOs were always shit in some way or another, only aspects of each different one were good or had potential long lost to time. Or limitations were merely accepted as the deal you have to make to add the "Massively Multiplayer" part to any game. IE: Want to have an action MMO? The gameplay and mechanics are going to be heavily simplified VS it's small scale counterpart.
The potential was the appeal and the novelty of having such a big constantly online world with a flow of content and the ability to just have a "Forever game" you can play with friends or meet new people in that gets added on to over time was the initial draw. But the games themselves were basic paint by numbers gameplay that never evolved. Only simplified- It's more playable now with less shit between you and clicking on enemies and powers and skills. But it's never truly advanced or made standard anything that you won't find the DNA of in the original Everquest or Meridian 59.
TL;DR MMOs were a tech demo and marketing experiment from the beginning and never grew into a mature product because they never had to. EQ and WoW killed the genre simply by being too successful for their respective times and setting the bare minimum standard in stone.
This really. mmos feel designed unlike any other game and not just because it's unique.
XIV sure are odd these days. Seems like they're mostly filled with WoW players.
>XIV sure are odd these days. Seems like they're mostly filled with WoW players.
This has been true since ARR. XIVgays from ARR onwards are just modern WoWgays.
No yeah ff is really just zoomer wow
They're literally the same fricking game. MMOs are shit because you tab-target Black folk have no standards. If there's a lot of females on a game, the game is probably terrible.
I like the game because I can do things with my friends in it
Understandable. It's hardly even the worst thing ever, but it it's the gold standard for an mmo now. Then they aren't looking too good.
I already saved it, chump
The game feels dead without chat bubbles
You walk into a city with tons of people and see nothing happening outside of the text box, it's lame as hell
based legitimate complaint, yeah considering people constantly talk in shout chat it's lame we don't see it in game.
Unrelated but also sucks that most people who interact/rp/chat always do it in private party or guild chats. One of my favorite things about old wow was having my makeshift party then finding people or interacting/coordinating through actual conversation and interaction. MMOs have a weird thing where people safe space and only interact between themselves outside of zone.
>MMOs have a weird thing where people safe space and only interact between themselves outside of zone.
you can blame discord for that. Then again, considering xiv was literally the reason for discord's existence I guess you could also blame xiv too.
>how do we fix the MMO genre?
Not really sure at this point.
>Is it possible?
Doubt. I think everyone ends up mostly loving their first MMO they get invested into. For me, that's WoW and its first three expansion packs. But I dropped off shortly after WotLK. I never played everquest because I didn't get into PC gaming until the mid 2000s.
>Did wow do too much damage or can ffxiv save everything?
Yeah, probably. I think something like VR chat with some interesting gameplay mechanics may be fun, but idk. I think everyone tends to love their first MMO.
Play ESO!
I'll just stick with modded Skyrim unless it lets me make a fat-assed e-girl who sells herself to futas and fricks animals.
If they ever decide to make the combat system not worse than text based adventure combat systems, sure.
XIV players have no backbone to talk about other MMOs combat.
When a game makes Morrowinds combat feel tight and well made, you know the fricked up. At least they have also never once done anything to fix it in any way.
The next update is adjusting the combat
Maybe some day because I like ES in general but to be honest the release of this game was god awful and I refunded it.
So is it true that despite everyone calling Final Fantasy the transgender game, WoW players have to pick their pronouns?
Dude looks like you put the head of a wrestling figure on a Bratz doll
>troony devs
>troony players
>troony dragons
>troony god
>troony trees
>furry devs
>furry players
>furry dragons
>furry 1/2 races
wow is hardmogged into oblivion and they'll take any desperate cope they can
>n-no you're the one with trannies not us, pls let me pretend it's 2008 again PLEASE
Get a team of people who actually give a shit, and let them create new content for WoW Classic, osrs style.
FFXIV and Retail are both overly monetised trash and nothing good can ever be built on such shitty foundations.
mmorpgs are a dying genre and nothing is going to change
final fantasy is just wow 2
GTA online 5 has been thriving especially the rp servers
I can't believe WoW players have gotten so brainwashed that they're picking their pronouns now.
n-no FF is filled with trans!
FFXIV is modern WoW. Want to save MMOs? Delete the garbage that is Diaper Fantasy XIV and World of Trannies. You frickers brought non-MMO morons to MMOs.
>another thread of homosexuals that think they're not the same as the competing game
WoWgays and XIVgays play the same game with different skins. Both are filled with trannies and the only difference is the dominant fetish ie Diapers for XIV and Furries for WoW. Both games have shat on the design principles of MMO to bring in the lowest common denominator with XIV just leading the logical conclusion of single player MMOs that was started with WoW. Want to save MMOs? Kill these 2 shitpiles and convince companies to start investing in shit like VR MMOs. Nothing will save these shitpiles and all of you are sunk cost homosexuals.
MMOs in general I am hoping star citizen will come up with something worthwhile in the long run.
MMORPGs on the other hand have grown stale but I haven't tried many. Currently I just play FFXIV to kill time until the next SC patch. GW1 was pretty good, GW2 story became a turn off but was decent at the time it launched.
I haven't played many of the early MMOs I feel I missed out, only ever played maplestory in its early days really loved the music in that game it was so soothing.
I was too poor to afford to play anything that required a sub fee as a kid, Would've been glorious if I had meddled with other MMOs in their early days ones around the same time like FFXI, Ultima Online, WoW, and Runescape but I don't think I would've been smart enough to get the most out of it.
MMO genre died so that other genres could live on.
Rust, tarkov, vr chat,gta online, all have certain mmo features that are foundation.
People decide what they are interested in and play game that focuses on that.
There is no need for big community mmo as there was in golden age of wow.
Games like new world are flopping badly, korean mmo's are being rapidly replaced by mobile shit, only reason why ffxiv has any kind of popularity is because it's a pretty good ff game with mmo features.
This probably multiplayer games aren't really their own thing anymore
>Did wow do too much damage or can wowreskinned save everything?
The genre is fine, it's the players...
Honestly are MMOs really just obsolete? What's the point of a social online game when that describes like most games nowadays? And a lot of them have good gameplay or more to do than mmos now? So why play a neutered game for that experience instead of a normal one?
It's mostly a matter of scale in terms of world and social network through guilds and economy, but that's not really a thing any more so yeah, I guess so.
Wait so WoW did too much damage but WoW with a FF skin will save it? TribalBlack folk sure are something. FFXIV is just as garbage as WoW and the only people who disagree are morons who make the game their personality like the WoWgays of old.
Just got done fighting the god of darkness inside the moon, chilling on the top right now. (You can enter and climb that building just thought you should know)
By the way, WoW players. What pronouns did you guys pick?
wait you can go in it?
yeah you can go in it, it has multiple floors, and you can climb to the very tippy top and stand on it.
wtf are you saying moron? the MSQ literally leads you there.
And if you dont know, then you arent far enough in the game to be here asking questions.
does it have you climb it? It's the spot right outside the aether right, I've flown to the top but never knew you could go in (or I did for msq and just forgot because I skipped the cs)
>does it have you climb it?
there is stairs inside and the quest leads you there to view the instanced zodiark figure and explain a lot of bullshit lore I wish i had skipped too
Fricking samegay forgot you go into it during MSQ for the sake of shitposting
Samegayging this hard cause your bait didnt work should be bannable
how is it bait I want to climb that shit
TERA was a good MMO but the publishers ran it to the ground. Too bad.
MMO genre has been dead for years. I don't even know what you'd classify modern WoW/XIV as genre-wise.
>has been dead for years
says who? ghandi?
OP post your hand. I guarantee you are not Asian, probably a brown third worlder and a troony as well. It is always the case with these gaslighting types.
I don't play MMOs any more but in vanilla/classic WoW I could just start playing again and make 10 new life long friends in an hour without even trying. To me this is an essential quality of a MMO. Runescape is also kinda like this but dead. What other MMOs work like this?
You guys are mentally ill. Literally 1/3 or your posts mention WoW.
You should have seem /wowg/.
Its WoW or Barry most of the time
>should have seen /wowg/
I don't play a shit game so why would I be in a general. The better question is why do you know how /wowg/ is like? And if you're visiting often to know its state then its more than likely you're obsession with WoW has led you to just shitpost their general.
There is no hope for MMORPGs. People who play MMOs don't even like MMOs.
explain how that is possible
Not him but its the same way Modern Star Wars was made for people who dont like Star Wars. You use a big name to push something enough to try and grab as many people as possible till the end product no longer targets the initial demographic that raised said product. MMOs since WoW have been chasing that 12mil player high WoW has gotten and in their attempt to do imitate WoW, FFXIV does this and pretending to be anything but even further sterilized WoW is a cope, and try to further dilute systems to appeal to more and more people. Core Audiences get pushed away as their needs are no longer met and the new masses start churning in and out until the product hits its peak and amount of new blood isn't enough to balance out the bleed out.
frick. FRICK. dudes r right. dammit.
i was about to say oldschool runescape was the exception but its not, and i can tell now
This explains ffxiv to the letter, but watch every response be a circlejerk shitting on WoW.
It describes both games pretty well. The only difference in both communities is WoW is past its prime and most of its players are jaded. FFXIV is at its peak and it's players are obnoxious about it. XIV truly is the logical end to WoW design, an MMO for people who hate MMOs.
Despite it's flaws Black Desert is the only real MMO on the market right now
I started BDO when it first released in America with the dream of being a witch selling potions on the roadside. Then I started the game and found out you can't sell shit to other players and it's mostly just a management sim.
You have to sell things through the Central Market and since the market is so tightly managed it stops RMT
e-girl_pirate chads keep winning
does bdo actually have fun rp shit like that or is it just one whale that destroys everyone else
cute
>enchant spear with paralyze and/or drain fatigue
>punch while enemy is paralyzed
>Enemy is unable to get up
>Use cheap restore fatigue potions/spells for groups
Morrowind is a lot more fun if you play it like Goblin Slayer and are doing everything to prevent the enemy from even having a chance to fight you.
This is what Skyrim took from us
>healing ARR dungeon
>new tank watching cutscene
>doesn't greet anybody and just runs off
>forgets tank stance for a while
>pulls big and runs around corners before the party
>finally get to him and he dies
>swift raise
>he just ragequits before accepting
>we don't even wipe when the new tank arrives seconds later
why are WoWgays like this
they're impatient and toxic in general
that's why they're so easy to spot imo
Sounds like the average XIV player
>WoWgay
Oh youre a tribal moron that hasnt realized that XIVgays and WoWgays are the same kind of player.
you sound like a coping WoWgay
Forgot about this thread but saw the exclamation mark. Why am I not surprised that WoWgay/buck was the first insult you went to? I wouldn't be surprised if you homosexuals are SBbabies. You frickers ruined XIV threads by acting like the very thing you accuse others of being.
>seething wowbuck still mass replying after all these hours
jesus christ you c**ts really can't let shit go
>W-WoW
I don't know who you were replying to but you Black folk need to leave the brand loyalty homosexualry at the door. I've probably played FFXIV longer than you fetuses ever have so please leave my game and stop ruining it with your WoW obsession.
>he's still going
Leave my game fetus. All you homosexuals from ARR onwards are WoWgays. No amount of tribalistic projection will change this fact.
k
You never refuted anything. If anything you reinforced his position by acting like the very thing you claim others to be.
>his
(You)
>his
Get out of here troony. YWNBAW
mad wowbuck
there's a huge difference and you're just delusional and 1a hypocrite to boot
What's the difference?
>inb4 choose your pronouns
That's more on the devs than the players because both communities are filled with the same kind of people.
You moron. The point is WoW players ragequit at the drop of a hat. FFXIV players don't ragquiet was often. see
>bringing up pronouns
he's just a troll ignore him
Yeah, I'm a troll. You guys totally point out more than loltrannies when you make your arguments about WoW players. Hypocrites.
of course you're a phoneposter
Bull fricking shit. If you guys wipe more than 3 times on a trial I guarantee half the party is leaving. The only difference is you nutless homosexuals do it silently.
whatever fits your narrative
>phoneposter
>not a troll
lol okay
>no argument because its fricking true
Still waiting for you to tell me why the FFXIV community is so much better and totally not a tribe like the other anon said.
>still seething this hard
You proved him right good job morons
>TELL ME WHY
>moron
>see you proved m-- him right
Tribalist.
>crying about xiv community in xiv thread
you wow Black folk are pathetic
they're also phoneposting so probably ban evading too kek
way to out yourself wowgay
I have played WoW a grand total of 0 hours and 0 minutes in my entire life. I've got 800+ hours and alot of that was through grinding synced EX and savage farming with some unsynced farming peppered in. People leave if the whole party doesn't know the fight well enough to clear in a few pulls. That was happening way back when HW was new. It STILL happens. It's why people don't want to queue up for Delubrum Reginae and other longer instances unless you tell them you know the raid beforehand--because you guys are just as bad.
stop posting already
nobody believes you
I'VE NEVER EVEN HARD OF WOW LOL
Can you guys explain what the difference between the XIV and WoW community is now? I've been waiting for a bit.
No idea what the other anons talked about before if if I had to say.
The wow community still think their game is good, they are wrong.
The 14 community stopped caring altogether and only care about fashion, npc waifus and erp.
I used to play both for a long time.
That's a fair observation, but what bothers me is when the game that I've played for a decade has gotten worse and the community is a huge part of that because anytime we get MMO content it gets called shit, which seals the fate of the game getting worse in the immediate future, and when you point this out or say something as forbidden as the new xpac was disappointing or the story is really bloated and corny at times you get dogpiled. I'm talking about ffxiv btw. I just see two groups laughing at who has the nicer junk heap.
>anytime we get MMO content it gets called shit,
people loved eureka and bozja wym
Most of the playerbase shit a brick over Eureka and Bozja, what are you talking about? It's some of the best content they've ever made but the vast majority of the players fricking hated it.
people shit a brick over eureka and rightly so because anemos and pagos were an absolutely unholy grind
neither of them got the well-deserved hate that diadem did and they're still based on diadem's skeleton
I cba to do even current bozja/eureka what made them so bad before?
And what the frick was the old diadem that everyone hates? Different than the ishgard resto version right?
I think old Diadem has a 72 person FATE thing that was on a timer similar to Odin's that dropped 1 best in slot weapon per kill.
Old Diadem was a hundred people on a small island spamming dinosaurs to death for gear with completely randomized stats.
The old diadem was Yoshida trying to bring more than townlobby queing to the game, He's had this project since and he just wouldn't let it go. I think it's been a personal battle for him.
He directed ARR to be this way but the man is a child of old MMOs he knows everything you know about the highs of pre millennial MMOs.
I remember him decrying, in an interview about eureka and i quote "players who lack initiative". The o/ players. He doesn't like those but he knows an MMO like you like garners 500.000 subscribers not multiple millions.
>players who lack initiative
He shouldn't be decrying them, he fostered them with ARR's design and onwards. If he wanted to avoid that shit he would have never designed the game with Duty Finder in mind.
what the frick are you talking about people liked bozja, eureka was the one that got shit on but that was because it was unfun when it started.
more people liked bozja than eureka
but there's still a sizeable amount of people that hated bozja.
he's just shitposting while pretending to be impartial or an xiv player
I played XI and XIV for years and simply hate XIV fans. You don't have to like WoW to see that the fanbase is cancer.
>WELL WHY DO YOU PLAY XIV
Because it was a good game 6 years ago.
oh now you've played Xi to
do tell me more
I've seen way more people shit on Bozja and Eureka than praise it. I played FFXI, so I was instantly like, "oh ok, so I have to talk to people. That's pretty cool." And then people shat on it so bad that they straight up gave up on finishing Bozja. Meanwhile everyone calls the new streamlined content "kino" while every job and dungeon start to homogenize. It's infuriating.
sure thing parrot
Show me a dungeon that isn't a straight line or a 5 jobs that aren't a flowchart.
show me an mmo that has elaborate dungeon content that isnt everquest
hard mode: name an elaborate dungeon in everquest that's fun more than once
>wanting a shitty maze like old Toto-Rak
go away parrot
A blind run of Wanderer's Palace HD is way better than any dungeon released nowadays. You already know exactly what to expect outside of bosses. Games like FFXIII and FFX can be criticized for having hallway maps, so can this game.
>And then people shat on it so bad that they straight up gave up on finishing Bozja.
if you were in bozja at all you were probably gonna finish it up to the dalriada since it doesn't take very long to do that and only that
>the new streamlined content "kino"
we don't have a bozja replacement for endwalker yet, try this shitpost again in a few months. and don't larp as a heavensward fan, it's too obvious
I'm talking about the devs leaving Bozja unfinished indefinitely. Which clearly was decided because of feedback.
it left off on gabranth leaving behind a fake with a mutilated face and still plotting to have his own country, i imagine his work contract was abruptly terminated because they needed to get the frick on with endwalker and it was the fifty billionth resistance/revolution plot going on
the problem is that they aren't aging well. They already had to soft rework the DR raid to 8 people w/ echo because nobody runs it anymore. In the future they're going to have to change them even more to make them more solo friendly or add incentives to run them. Like why the frick is dying the Law's Order armor locked behind savage mode? Adding it to normal would make more people run it.
just called wowgays impatient and he lost it
bro even WoW players know how toxic they are
The tribes that hate each other the most are the most similar.
You make zero sense.
>Sounds like the average XIV player
No it fricking doesn't. That person quit after not even a wipe. No longtime XIV player does that. That's a WoW thing, and everybody knows it. The fact you're upset over this proves you're a WoWbuck.
not even savage pf reclears leave after 1 wipe its usually after 3
Honestly I think xiv does most things really well. The only thing I don't like about it is Bozja/Zandor, definitely the worst content the game has to offer. Even compared to Eureka its cancer. The devs got incredibly lazy for all the raids and decided to just implement one shot mechanics to everything and make it res simulator 2021. Not sure if it was covid or what.
>the worst parts of the MMO are the MMO
>DR rules make it so that you can't cheese it with stats in future xpacs
People like you are why ffxiv is a trash game. Sad thing is that it used to be genuinely amazing.
XIV fixed the pve side of things and is good, but I can't kill low levels questing in the open world so its shit.
xiv is one of the worst offenders
another day another seething wowbuck(body type 2)
>win a house
>it's next to some fricking namazu homosexual with 10 of those giant namazus clipping into each other
god fricking dammit
>win a house
>people next to me have peak ishard aesthetic
heh
imagine wanting to live next to some standard fantasy house instead of some otter/namazu/carby chad
I would love to see an ffxiv thread that doesn't resort to shitting on WoW or fellating the story and NPCs one day on my Ganker.
first we have to undo the mental programming that compels OP to make shitpost threads, there's a belief that shitting on XIV in the OP message will delay or prevent a thread deletion by the autistic janitor but he usually will delete it anyways
>literally 5th thread I made today shitting on wow/ironically shitting on ffxiv
my autism has no end
I AM NO LONGER ASKING, WOL
MARRY AND IMPREGNATE MY SISTER RIGHT NOW
I BETTER HEAR THE BED CREAKING TONIGHT AND DON'T TRY ANY FUNNY BUSINESS BECAUSE I'LL BE WATCHING THROUGH MY CRYSTAL BALL
Sorry, I prefer my cats moronic.
But I don't care about Y'shtola, and no amount of "mommy Y'shtola" pushing by Ishikawa will make me care.
TERA 2 with elins
WoWs only crime was being too good in its prime and nothing else will ever come close for another 50 years
FF14 is soulless weeb trash that isn't even fun to play
Nothing to fix, mmo players get exactly what they want, an interactive second life in a social space where they interact with like-minded people and non mmo players get something equally important in return, a containment place for those freaks.
Since people are speaking of leaving parties i think not having an autofill when someone leaves is a good thing.
>call WoWgays impatient
>phoneposter sloes it and claims they've never played WoW
my sides are in orbit
now he's mass replying
as expected
WoW did 0 damage to MMO's. The reason why WoW became a cultural phenomena is because it was at the right place at the right now. WoW released on 2004 - it was basically a technological marvel of sorts. To be able to play games with people all across the world and speak with them in real time wasn't common place. The best you could do was IRC. This built up hype and it culminated in 2008 with the release of wotlk.
Everyone and their mothers was playing Wotlk. It's why Cata, despite hyping up a "THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING" scenario with deathwing, loss players and why they kept losing more and more players. The spark/marvel was just gone.
The next time this is going to happen is with VR. Not something shitty like we have now but probably something 30-50 years from now where a lot of us are going to be dead or dying
have we gotten to the point where people are going to start pretending like they played not only stormblood post content on launch but shadowbringers too?
As a babby who joined in 4.25 I actually aggressively hated how janky a lot of job designs were (I noticed especially that Dragoon seemed awfully low on damage relative to other jobs and its usual place in damage-charts for the franchise) and Shadowbringers was where I really started to enjoy a lot of jobs and their job designs. I had no frame of reference for Heavensward besides being vaguely aware that Dark Knight and Machinist came from it and that role actions were a replacement for cross-class skills, and I noticed the content that I now know was from 3.0 to 3.1 REALLY FRICKING DRAGGED ON, HOLY SHIT.
I miss casting haste on party members with Astrologian and I kinda miss some jobs having a flavor "killing blow" ability like that stab Samurai had. I do not miss every job having a fricking timer and I don't miss Monk having Greased Lightning timers cucking me out of being able to attack at full speed with some dungeon midbosses and raid bosses. I like Alexander the best out of the 8-man raids but I think Eden and Asphodelos take the cake on fight designs. Dalriada and the Diablo Armament were huge fun.
>Asphodelos
>Good fight design
lmfao
this shitposter is so bad at his job
just parroting old shit like it's new
Will they ever develop a better looking relic weapon? Starting to think its untouchable now.
Probably not, the relics have been getting lazier and lazier.
Blade's Honor is a pretty good sword if you want one made of crystal
Honestly with 7.0 though we'll probably need to go back and re-evaluate a BUUUUUUUUNCH of weapons and relics, they'll all be brought up to 7.0 graphical fidelity. I might roll Gae Bolg again on DRG, I benched it for the Tropaios spear because Bolgy is just showing its age too much
the paladin one and the white mage one are the only ones they spend time on making the crystal glow look good in the 5.55 weapons
nah man sucks total ass it stays small the bigger you are
not op but I think it looks pretty good with the glow on it.
How can so many people have shit taste?
This looks like some shitty side quest reward.
I just think it looks cool. It’s unique and I like how the hand guard is made from energy.
Doesn't look bad.
Doesn't look good, either.
Honorbound is the best PLD weapon.
>Will they ever develop a better looking relic weapon
No. Since Anima, they gave up on giving unique effects for each weapon and now they are no different than a primal glowy you find in the trash can.
i'd argue they actually spent more effort on primal weapons these days. compare byakko and zurvan weapon VFX to the bozja relics in the same patch. it's embarrassing
when do primal weapons come out btw, the last patch of an xpac? Like when will hydy and zodiark give us theirs
There are 70 unique posters in this thread. WoW is mentioned almost 100 times. MMOs will never be fixed.
Kek. The OP even mentions WoW. XIV fans are delusional. Is BDO really good because
raised an eyebrow no lie.
desperate
They did the same exact damage to tue genre you stupid fricking troony Black person. When XIV inevitably shuts down one day i hope the playerbase at that time all simultaneously ropes. Same for WoWbeaners
FFXI was the last good MMO, in a time when games weren't completely solved on 10 different wikis before they even released.
Also when jobs were designed around having cool abilities.
Not filling a role to a T.
The holy trinity killed MMOs.
tell that to guild wars 2
Also when MMO developers hated your guts and wanted you to literally die from playing.
You guys are all fighting over stupid shit when you could be posting or pumping to cute catgirls instead...
>how do we fix the MMO genre?
1. Undo the moronic "Gold rush" mentality of making the exp gain at lower levels insanely high for the sole purpose of rushing newbies to the "fun bit" of the game
2. Make the early game content as fun and as engaging as the late game content
using the tribalism argument in an mmo is completely redundant
only the side I don't like is tribalist
It's just the shitposters using it because cultist was overused.
It's more of a broader culture issue at large. People have different attitudes towards games now. As far as I'm concerned there's four major reasons people play an MMO:
>People who want to socialize(erpgays go in this category)
>Endgame content raiders
>People who enjoy the story/lore
>Completionists
Videogames in general, not just MMOs have to compete for your time and attention now. People used to sit around house parties and minigames in Runescape in the early 2000s because they were 12 and there was nothing better to do. Runescape is still up, houses and minigames are still there, but nobody plays them as much as the 2000s anymore since it's an inefficient use of time that could be spent doing a quest or slayer task.
Lots of people are not going to want to play a numbers heavy skill tree customization multiplayer game because if you're not using whatever the meta build is then people aren't going to want to play with you. I could go on but games almost have to be designed with time and efficiency in mind now.
People go to house parties in FFXIV right now though.
Because FFXIV is the best and only good MMO out there right now. It has something for everyone 🙂
don't kid yourself, there hasn't been a single good MMORPG since WoW came out (WoW is not good either)
no minigames though, no pvp duels, just /dance and unironically twitch music. Pathetic
>no minigames though, no pvp duels
there is pvp tournaments happening all the time now and the gold saucer exists.
On the house parties you moron? Dont move the goalposts, your night brothel is pathetic.
>there is pvp tournaments happening all the time
lying piece of shit
>On the house parties you moron
not at the house party obviously but you are implying these social things do not exist at all in the game, just because it isn't only contained outside of org like it is in wow doesn't mean it doesnt exist
>lying piece of shit
and you also just blatantly don't know anything about the game
>implying
frick off
your original post literally states that the shit that happens in runescape doesn't happen in ff which is clearly does.
i'm not even that moron shill.
but in his defense, at least runescape tries to be a rpg
what does that have to do with anything
Wow did too much damage, good MMO's were always the opposite of casual and had grueling mechanics (EQ massive XP loss on death, UO full loot PVP where people can steal every single thing you have, asheron's call darktide PVP having groups like the Hillpeople who fight newbies, etc) that modern gamers will not tolerate. Thus, making a classic style MMORPG will only appeal to a comparatively niche audience and won't be profitable, when you can just make a dumb casual game for idiots and get millions of subscribers. Thanks, WoW!
>UO full loot PVP where people can steal every single thing you have
why the FRICK did people ever put up with this shit
it's funny that new world advertised as a pvp mmo just to puss out at the last second. Knowing what a shitfest the launch/ensuing months were it would have been better if they just catered to ganktrannies, at least they'd be filling a niche instead of just being some dead pajeet game
>50th thread of the week crying about the XIV community
perhaps dont make a thread baiting then? because how else would you keep a xiv thread alive? with porn?
get better at falseflagging
>tfw no turn based pathfinder/dnd mmo
Probably be ruined by not having permadeath like mechanics
As far as mmos go, Ark/Rust are essentially. Maybe Ark more so. Only issue with Ark is how ruined servers are officially so everyone plays private servers due to the level of griefing you face solo.
what a chad
he makes a good point
>Did wow do too much damage or can weeb wow clone #1592 save everything?
FFXIV players are some of the most delusional people on the planet.
Imagine paying a monthly fee to play a game
imagine being poor
XIV is bad because connectivity and social aspects are almost entirely manufactured outside of the weird ERP nonsense and gays who want to treat it like Second Life. You don't even have open world PVP and the world itself is empty outside of doing FATEs. To top it all off the combat is so dull because too many buttons do the exact same fricking thing and it's just bloated.
SEX WITH BIRB
reminder the very very worst WoW designer (jeff hamilton) was hired at Riot this week to design the new Riot MMO.
jeff has done nothing but frick shit up his entire carreer as a designer, even before blizzard, but especially at blizzard. Riots mmo is entirely doomed.
>this fricking thread
now wow is copying xiv
>past tense
>can ffxiv save everything?
XIV isn't an mmorpg. You spend 99% of the game alone, reading text boxes and watching cutscenes.
XIV is a visual novel.
>XIV is a visual novel.
nah, visual novels unironically offer more player agency. For one, your choices actually matter in a visual novel.
So what is XIV?
It has alot of things going for it, like if they actually used the combat for anything meaningful it could be a lot of fun, but unfortunately the story book trash and completely instanced content makes it feel like a single player movie rather than a world you can explore.
I've never played a """"game""""" that the world felt more stagnant and dead in than XIV. Theres no reason to do anything in the world at all other than run from cat girl to cat girl to progress the """"story"""", but thats not even doing anything. You could just watch it on youtube and save yourself all the time of running between all the catgirls on your ridiculous looking mount.
>how do we fix the MMO genre?
make it runescape
>Is it possible?
idk how di they meake runescape
>Did wow do too much damage or can ffxiv save everything?
runescape
reminder that /wowg/ just talks about ffxiv
that's why Ganker is flooded with people seething over ffxiv
>xiv cat girl trannies spam /wowg/ with their catgirl garbage
>troony jannies ban everyone in /wowg/ who actually talk about wow
>HEY LOOK /WOWG/ IS RUINED WE WON!
You are a dumb gayet lol
you will never be a body type 2, troony
You frickers just love talking about hard MMOs without actually playing them. Hop on P99 Green and level with me. Thinking of making a Pally.
If ESO had better combat it would be the best MMO ever made. I like it anyway, but if it had the combat of GW2 or something more involved it would be perfect for me. Weaving kinda helps, makes it more interesting to play, but it's jank as frick and doesn't feel great.
Idk, I really like the open world but come on those graphics are Oblivion tier. Is it a engine limitation or something? Character models, armor models, everything is years behind the competition.
chubby le cates :3
Why are women so fricking treacherous?
My leader just disbanded the entire fricking FC because there has been drama going on with some prostitute trying to get simps on her side to shit on the leader for no good reason. She got angry at him for replacing her dumb ass for being unable to dodge mechanics while we were progging P1S. This triggered her and she got half the morons on her side and caused a revolt.
It's always a fricking bawd who pulls this kind of shit. If you're dogshit at the game and you get mad that you don't make the cut is there anything more pathetic than taking it out on a group of people who welcomed you in only for you to shit all over the floor and squeal and moan?
This stupid b***h wouldn't have such a following if not for the simp ass homosexuals who grant her disgusting wailings audience. Seriously women are fricking worthless. Get the frick out of here if your entire worth as a human being is measured by your useless hole that doesn't even serve a purpose because you get an abortion every 9 months.
stop having every mmorpg be about shitty WoW combat and shitty WoW raids
mmorpgs are about freedom to live in a virtual world, but that's was forgotten somewhere along the way. now and they are just railroady action games with clunky combat
instead, have other viable playstyles. star wars galaxies (2003) had the right idea:
it had a dancer class that gained XP for dancing in cantinas.
have competitive racing, competitive fishing, a rhythm game, a sea of thieves ship, a flying sim. go fricking nuts with it.
make all those activities fun and robust, and not based on god damn fricking cooldown abilities on an action bar
on that matter: regarding the actual rpg fightan and lootan game, stop making it a shitty and boring WoW clone
it doesn't have to be about cooldown attacks and incremental gear upgrades. those things suck. ditch the action bars. make a real control scheme.
make it a proper action rpg game that's actually fun. have a class that's a third person shooter. a class that's a kuh-razy DMC combo virtuoso. one that's a stealth ninja. one that's a guitar hero.
stop emulating WoW.
go buck fricking wild.
FF14 can't save itself, it has the most boring leveling process in an mmo i've ever seen, and i've played heaps of them, and i also like old world azeroth leveling quite alot.
story? frick story ill read a book, i can count on one hand the number of times a movie or tv series plot has impressed me as much as a good book has, and never a single videogame lol.
>It's another thread where if you're not in lockstep praise of FFXIV you have to be a WoWgay or Barry
The scariest thing is these people are so obsessed with these 2 boogeymen they dedicate parts of their life keeping up with them.
When you want to hang out in ffxiv everyone has to stop what they're working on and come do a group activity.
You've all lived this. That's going against the grain of the game, either you hang out in spite of your personal goal or you hang out outside of the game in an environment auspicious to time lost together. FFXIV naturally pushes people apart and it's a battle against a slow current to play together which eventually tires people out.
A game like this can't save MMORPGs. Only a game where almost every selfish pursuit pushes players toward players.
anyone have good chat sperg outs?
>blacklisted
>literally talking to a brick wall, nice.
these guys cant ever actually block people
>bro relax
people like that are annoying as frick though
GMs are absolute Black folk.
This shit is pathetic.
If this is all it takes to get a warning in XIV then I weep for the fricking community because it must be passive aggressive as frick knowing you can't even fricking crack a joke or be real with strangers or you're seen as public enemy #1.
This is the kind of shit that promotes echo-chambers.
MMOs can't be saved
Just like racing games, platformers and RPGs.
Things are dying out, and we can't do nothing about it.
This.
Don't be afraid to go play some singleplayer games.
There's tons of decent shit coming in 2023.
Factorio is getting an expansion.
Labyrinth of Galleria is gettting localized.
Slime rancher 2 is looking really good.
There's a rumor Vanillaware is going to leave Sony because of all the fricking blunders they've been having.
P5R is coming to PC mustard race.
Lots to waste hundreds of hours in.
No need to keep playing some lonely ass MMO where bawds and simps pretend to have a life.
>There's a rumor Vanillaware is going to leave Sony
where did you hear this from
An insider is calling it out since Atlus is showing interest in porting their titles over to PC. Every year sony looks like a sinking ship and there's a good chance it's true. Vanillaware has always made decent games but being stuck on PS isn't yielding them much profits anymore.
The more you think about it the more it makes sense why they would be interested in branching out and making a collection or something.
well it's not like they've been forced to only put their stuff on sony consoles but i know 13 sentinels just recently got ported to the switch
I find it curious that XIV players call wowgays trannies because of pronouns, yet both gay fan bases play female characters yet are male themselves in real life. Cope seethe
what content is new now
Remove AST from PvP
FFXIV is a pretty good game - a single player MMO. The "endgame", "postgame" and all the other things that technically make it an MMO are lifted straight from WoW and do not work well in the first place, let alone work well for Final Fantasy.
The Savage and Ultimate "raids" are simply an intricate dance you have to learn with 7 other fricking morons rather than a fight you can win with multiple strategies. Ultimate weapons are just grinds; Eureka and Bozja are by far the best content in the game because even though there is a grinding element they have their own mechanics and dungeons and things that are specific to them; all the other weapon grinds including the new EW ones are gonna be "repeatedly do the same old trials and dungeons".
The dungeons range from banal to really cool, but none of them (0) have side-paths or anything; there's a reason they call it a "theme park MMO" because you're not really going to these places; it's just showing you a little diorama that has nothing to do with the world itself.
That said, everyone gets something different out of it. Horny RP furries use it as a chatroom, "extreme raiders" pretend it's actually hard content and try to world first (a form of speedrun troonyism) casuals who just want to play with friends have so much content to get through that it would take even longer than Crystal Chronicles to actually get everyone together to finish completely.
There's only one group that isn't catered for: people who want a Final Fantasy MMORPG.
I will breed a lalafell
It can't, datamining and easily accessible information have ruined the charm of a wide open world meant to be explored and discovered. You can never go back to the golden years. Everyone just hops on for half an hour, races through the content, and talks on Discord.