I actually don't mind Sheoldred. Yes it's stupidly pushed and OP, but it's also essentially a Baneslayer Angel. It's a creature that does nothing if it's answered by a removal spell and absolutely stonewalls aggressive red decks that can't answer it.
Standard right now is actually moving AWAY from Sheoldred and to bigger, more expensive and impactful cards with some cheap answers for aggro and shelly. The Beanstalk control deck laughs at Sheoldred for example.
Oh and the Atraxa decks also laugh at it since they can turbo out a much bigger threat that draws 4-6 cards without actually "draw"ing them so no shelly triggers.
I'd much rather my opponent be playing Sheoldred than this Black person
lmao I got fed up against all the dumbass mono black sheoldred + 10 gorillion removal that I made that atraxa deck. Just sit till 5-7 mana and summon atraxa + etali. Usually gets them to surrender
Why bother with Etali when you can just play a sleek control shell that just happens to play/reanimate Atraxa with counter backup? Or a ramp shell with Turtle that makes your lands way more threatening and allows you to play Herd Migration for an over the top win con. Both of those versions of Atraxa decks have a better matchup against mono red and soldiers because they don't have big red dino bricks in their hand while they're getting pummeled.
Cause I'm a poor gay and didn't get lucky pulling those rares
7 months ago
Anonymous
Your wildcards bro? Unless you mean paper in which case buy singles, Atraxa is the most expensive thing in the deck (other than black Virtue if you're playing that).
And if you do mean Arena I know the wild bottleneck is moronic but grinding drafts did give me what I need without paying too many shekels to WotC.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I wanna save for Ixalan cause it looks kinda tight so far. I pretty much just aim to get plat 4 anyway
7 months ago
Anonymous
>So far
We've seen like 6 cards, my guy. Are you just a Green player who saw the new Ghalta and jizzed his pants?
7 months ago
Anonymous
yes
7 months ago
Anonymous
Y'know what at least you admit you're a degenerate.
I'm tentatively interested in the Ixalan gods though. The idea of creatures that just become lands when they die and the lands can flip back into them is a cool thing. No idea if any of them will be GOOD, but it's an interesting idea.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm interested in seeing how cavern of souls makes the current crop of arena players seethe
they've never had to deal with aggressive anti counterspell tech before, it'll cause a lot of tears
7 months ago
Anonymous
>aggressive anti-counterspell deck in the Arena hugbox meta where all the playable counterspells are garbage and there's already dozens of threats that don't care about being countered
Yeah it'll really cause salt.
Arena players are moronic unga bunga standtards that get assmad whenever a card does something to stop them from shitting out 35923 creatures and turning them sideways. It's why all the "name a card, that card can't be cast" cards are banned in historic
7 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah I suppose that being in Arena will be a thing to see. Unexpected thing to put back into the Standard environment, honestly. It's not even BEEN in Standard since its initial printing, I think?
>Whenever an opponent draws a card they lose 2 life
I play other card games so I might be wrong, but this seems incredibly broken. Card draw is key in this entire genre
The doctor very often ventures into antihero territory, the show constantly makes a point that he's almost always one step away from going completely genocidal
This was unironically the beginning of the end for yugioh. They should have just made contact fusions for everything post GX instead of new extra deck monster types.
This boy got me back into Yu-Gi-Oh! after a long absence, albeit briefly. I thought Stardust Dragon and Scrap Dragon were really cool and synchro was a neat mechanic that reinvigorated the game. I always got shitstomped by people who knew what they were doing though.
As Neco Arc stated, it's effectively a counter on legs, but it specifically counters anything that would DESTROY a card on the field - this would apply to targeted removal, or board wipes.
As a cost, it sacrifices itself for this negate, but then at the end of the turn, it returns to the field if it was able to counter the destruction effect.
However, it doesn't work on stuff that bounces, or banishes, so there are ways to play around it.
in mtg terms, it would work against stuff like Go For the Throat, or God's Wrath, but not Unsummon, or Swords to Plowshares.
Whats so good about Dauntless Escort/Selfless Spirit that comes back every turn? Does it play closer to Mother of Runes or does it lead to one sides wraths?
You don't. As soon as marvel made CEOs realize they just have to slap ICONIC THING on everything and lazily rake in billions it was over for all capitalist owned hobbies.
because digital card games are created in a little cycle that goes like this >moron monkey who only knows how to vomit out creatures and hit face gets filtered by yugioh combos and mtg board sweepers >this filtered aggrotard then creates a digital card game via his nepotistic connections >the ccg pretty much only supports hyper aggro decks because that's the only archetype afformentioned moron understands >global iqs are not yet low enough for this to be attractive gameplay so it fails
rinse repeat
pretty much this
I tried hearthstone and >hunters slamming your face >of course no board clears because that would make phone players feel bad
try legends of runeterra >board clears are friggen 9 mana in a game with practically zero ramp
yeah nah, garbage I actually think runeterra is worse cuz at least in hearthstone the creatures tend to stay small but in the league card game it's just endless buffs to creatures so it's an arms race of whoever played first wins
because digital card games are created in a little cycle that goes like this >moron monkey who only knows how to vomit out creatures and hit face gets filtered by yugioh combos and mtg board sweepers >this filtered aggrotard then creates a digital card game via his nepotistic connections >the ccg pretty much only supports hyper aggro decks because that's the only archetype afformentioned moron understands >global iqs are not yet low enough for this to be attractive gameplay so it fails
rinse repeat
I feel like the nature of a digital game; clicking not physically moving anything, not sitting across from an actual person you will deal with again, and cycling through lots of shorter games; is what gives a tendency to aggressive play.
that's wrong though because mtg arena isn't like that in historic
mtgo isn't like that in modern
commander, even digital commander isn't like that at all
it's just because ccgs are made by phone Black folk who love aggro and hate strategy
MTGA Bo1 is absolutely infested with aggro for obvious reasons. Real formats are plagued with tier 0/1 netdecks, even in casual, because people are just playing whatever deck makes the numbers go up faster
Because they both came out right at the start and are now too big to fail. Yugioh was literally a one off chapter of the manga because they couldn't get the rights to MTG.
And Summoned Skull is Lord of the Pit
And Morinphen is Morinfen
7 months ago
Anonymous
And this proves that they wanted to get the rights and have it actually be MTG how?
7 months ago
Anonymous
because the card game was supposed to be a one off fan chapter, it's konami that swooped in and said >let's make a real game out of your loosely created mtg clone that you devised solely as a parody chapter
you know the mangaka is an mtg player right? what am I saying, of course you don't
7 months ago
Anonymous
Still waiting for proof
7 months ago
Anonymous
you've already been given proof, ignoring it and going >WHERE'S THE PROOF THO
just makes you look like a troll
7 months ago
Anonymous
Show me the proof that Takahashi tried to license MTG for his manga.
7 months ago
Anonymous
mmkay so you really are just a mentally moronic troll
carry on
because despite all its flaws at its core mtg is masterfully designed. Its resource systems along with its original design philosophies havent been topped because they are amazing
yugioh tried to solve the lands issue mtg had while understanding none of the nuance for why lands are a thing and so you got this aborted mess of a game that despite its flaws is still fun
So youre a game designer and want to make a tcg and have to compete with perfection on one side and imperfect but fun as frick on the other side
>yugioh tried to solve the lands issue mtg had while understanding none of the nuance for why lands are a thing
That isn't really what happened, the issue is they tried to make a real card game out of a fake card game that had totally different rules. The reason the first set is so fricking jank is because they were existing cards from a totally different ruleset.
You pretty much describe why I still feverishly play MtG despite being less than happy with all of the decisions being made around it.
Game is super fricking fun to play. If they keep printing fricking free spells and ruining the game that way, I'll just play with my friend at our kitchen table. This game is so ridiculously fun and the amount of bullshit you can get away with, as well as the strategies to find your way there, or to play around your opponent, keep me coming back. Great fricking card game. You'd think any number of cards would break legacy but watching it earlier is just like watching old magic games but more shit is happening per turn generally.
Because they both came out right at the start and are now too big to fail. Yugioh was literally a one off chapter of the manga because they couldn't get the rights to MTG.
Why are you including yugioh in this? That game is barely alive. The big two are MTG and Pokemon. The only thing yugioh has going for it is anime nostalgia, but in terms of people playing it, it's in the "who the frick cares" category with digimon, one piece, and whatever pet card game a store might have.
All of the big TCGs have digital clients at this point.
7 months ago
Anonymous
D-digimon sisters...
The worst thing is that they're going to rush to make a OP client before us because OP players refuse to stop cheating in webcam games.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw us digimon fans are too polite and well-mannered
7 months ago
Anonymous
Please understand Bandai Namco is a small indie company, they just don't have the resources to dedicate to making a Digital version of their card game, Digital Monsters.
7 months ago
Anonymous
and they all suck ass
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but japs don't care, do you see the shit they play on their phones?
Why the frick you lying?
Duel Masters has been the uncontested king of tcgs in japan for decades.
The only reason gaijins don't know about it is because Wizards of the Coast discarded it like a used cum rag after it couldn't instantly trample yugioh in the states.
mtggays are always on this fricking podium sniffing their farts, slaving away to there dog shit simulator. when's the last time anybody releavent has actually mentioned magic
its insane that yugioh after all this time sill has the best simulators out their. Want to play officialy, master duel. Want to sill play online but dont want to grind, edo pro. Want to play a more manual game, duelingbook. Literally what other ccg community has this
that's because magic is fricking dying as greedy homosexuals hold every rights to it and weebs+anime have become a western youth staple. Both are bad sadly but at least yugioh isn't as morally bad.
I have no clue why they built arena like they did.
Yeah yeah clone hearthstone or whatever but frick, at least take the time to support 4 player multiplayer while you're building the foundation, because now it'd be basically impossible for them to add without wading through piles of spaghetti.
>4 player was in duels of the planeswalkers 2015 but not in arena
LOL
7 months ago
Anonymous
Theres not even a proper spectator mode, in the game they specifically designed for hosting digital tournaments in.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I have no clue why they built arena like they did.
Yeah yeah clone hearthstone or whatever but frick, at least take the time to support 4 player multiplayer while you're building the foundation, because now it'd be basically impossible for them to add without wading through piles of spaghetti.
Arena was not designed to be a major product. Originally it was going to be another temporary cash grab like Magic Origins or Duels of the Planeswalkers made solely to get people into paper magic. Then Covid happened and they pivoted into making it their premier way to play the game digitally
its insane that yugioh after all this time sill has the best simulators out their. Want to play officialy, master duel. Want to sill play online but dont want to grind, edo pro. Want to play a more manual game, duelingbook. Literally what other ccg community has this
In terms of real life paper players, mtg mogs yugioh and master duel is so bad at onramping players into the paper game (ie, the thing that makes them them oney) that it's got investors freaking out
disingenuous homosexual, more people than ever are gong out to tourney and playing. And that dosen't even include the people people buying product because of nostalgia. Come to think of it when's the last time people actually have remembered magic when its not wizards sending goons to bully players
>yugioh is a dying card game.
People who think this are the same people who don't even know Duel Masters also outsells MTG worldwide.
Duel Masters ironically also treats MTG better than WotC does.
I think nearly all card games are on the downward trend in one way or another and online is the future. the problem is companies dont see this maybe? or are dragging feet to admit it. Its insane that MtG isnt working towards the MGO replacement the same way Valve made CS 2. Arena is okay but frick me if Alchemy, lazy cosmetics and lack of older formats doesnt kill my excitment everyday when logging on.
>onramping players
because its impossible. the core rules of yugioh dont matter. the only thing that matters is specific knowledge of archtypes. practically no two archtypes play the same and archtypes are the crux of yugioh design now which means learning one deck is pointless because the next deck will play nothing like it also even then its daunting because WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS because Konami refuses to do keywords nor reformat cards.
then theres the fact that its just zero sum fun. one player combos into infinity and the other player doesnt get to play then vice versa happens. no back and forth anymore because of unchecked powercreep because of refusal to add formats.
>online is the future
I don't really think it is. Digital card games are way more convenient, but without the social aspect, it's easier to hit that point every card game player hits where they look at their collection of junk and think "the frick am i doing?" There is way higher player churn on digital clients than playing physically, and digital clients cannibalizing paper players (at least it's killed paper standard for mtg) means that all these digital clients actually have a net negative effect on their respective games.
That's probably why wotc has started trying to make mtga different from paper magic, because if you have 1:1 between the physical game and the digital game the digital game WILL slowly choke it out
>Its insane that MtG isnt working towards the MGO replacement the same way Valve made CS 2.
About that, the MTGO team can't even keep up with how fast wotc is doing supplemental releases like commander deck specific cards and some of the UBshit. The team is already overrun trying to keep the game up to date with the sheer wave of cards that are being pushed into the game every year and they can't do it.
MTGA has a similar problem where they need to go backwards and code old sets of cards to set up a playable pioneer/modern format eventually. But its taking them a dog's age to port even a single set of cards because of how many new ones they have to code. The old sets they do port are missing some cards because they're Frankenstein sets that are two sets of cards condensed into one, so plenty of stuff is missing meaning it's never going to be a perfect port of the original format. Basically nether game is in a position to push out a MD style client and they just have to sit there, seethe, and eat Konami's shit while WotC makes them code another 3 sets worth of new cards.
>MTG has a chance to capitalize on digital card game players being brought into the genre by Master Duel's explosive launch >They release the worst client with the worst monetization system imaginable
Why did they do it
They treated Arena as just another Duels of the Planeswalkers game, seeing as a way to siphon some quick cash from mobile whales, but then it exploded in popularity during Covid
because morons of the coast literally said >we don't want digital to cannibalize paper
so they made it bad ON PURPOSE so that people would get into it, get frustrated and then go to paper for a better experience
Because every digital card game is fricking trash.
There was one single one that had a chance, then they changed all the rules and mechanics and killed it overnight.
>draw 2 cards per turn for F R E E >neither of which be brick draws since F R E E resources >all this free gas makes draw spells fricking idiotically useless >pushes ALL FRICKING CLASSES into aggro
>n-no, you don't understand. this game is not trash
fricking delirious homie
because magic has >cool ass combos
yugioh has >cool as deck themes with identity
what the hell does hearthstone have? losing to rng in the most agonizingly frustrating way imaginable?
Because casuals would rather just go to any card shop in the nation and play magic than develop a social circle around a game no one knows about. Pokemon and yugioh have IP strength and nostalgia. They are literally too big to fail.
>I set walking dead rick in attack position >I tap my optimus prime to kill your dr. who >not so fast, I use the ken bro code to give invulnerability to my creatures >I use you shall not pass to negate that
how did magic get to this point? its like a parody you would see on south park
Dr who is just moronic, I've tried to watch a few episodes but they just retcon and contradict established rules every other episode, then expect you to care on the big character moments. I have no idea how people can take it seriously.
The singular good episode (blink) is basically a one shot that has nothing to do with the main cast or plot, which I don't think is a coincidence.
That's actually only two. Time Lord is a single type, because the BBC was anal about them keeping it as two words and they couldn't make "Time" a creature type I guess.
based intelligent gameplay enjoyer. SP card games (if designed well) are the only kind of games you can't cheat at to pretend to be good at video games. Good ones don't have grinding, so either you have the game knowledge to deal with the cards you're dealt or you die. There's also no build cheesing like "go to the sacred mound and get the moon sabre then spec into the Anus Cleanser class to curb stomp the entire game"
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It probably triggers the effect of any card that says "when chaos ensues," like they did with the LotR set and "the ring tempts you"
it's a "field effect" essentially like day/night, becoming the monarch etc.
they trigger special cards basically
It's for Planechase, which they're now trying to push as part of Commander (these cards are from commander precons and not legal in standard).
Basically triggers an effect dependent on your current plane
It's a good thing. Commander is a casual frickaround format and planechase just adds to it. Nobody plays anything other than commander anymore except for a rare few playing modern and planechase cards aren't going to frick it up, if anything overpowered cards like one ring, orcish bowmasters, dockside, thoracle, and nardole will be the thing that pushes people away (and even then most people will just rule 0 those cards out of their groups)
israelite lotus isn't that bad, if someone israelite lotuses their commander out just remove it and watch them b***h that they now have to wait 4+ more turns to get it back
Jeweled Lotus is actively bad in any deck where you're not winning the moment you play your commander or your commander has some way to bring it back
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah bro, turn 2 Narset is a bad play, right bro?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah turning narset into a "target player discards a board wipe" is pretty bad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>X is bad because it dies to toxic deluge
shit, why is time walk even banned? it loses to pyroblast so it isn't a problem.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If time walk didn't work whenever one of your 3 opponents had any edict effect, any counterspell, or any board wipe and you had exactly israeliteeled lotus and sol ring, then it wouldn't be that good, no.
Also nice job specifically picking one of the commanders I explicitly mentioned in my post.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nta, but going turn 1 >Swamp, Dark Rit, Lotus, cast my 6 cmc commander
Sounds like a pretty good turn 1 play
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Also nice job specifically picking one of the commanders I explicitly mentioned in my post.
?? Narset neither wins immediately upon being played nor has any kind of revival effect. if you're using israeliteeled lotus to turbo her out you aren't going to have a haste enabler so she won't do anything for a full turn.
thank god
I've said for years that planechase should be the default way to play the game because you are PLANESWALKERS battling to the death so it makes sense that you would be able to PLANESWALK during the game
I like Runeterra's single player mode but some of the decks are total ass. Like complete dogshit borderline unplayable unless you upgrade them with shards to get your broken hero powers, which you need to grind. The game is free though so it's not that bad, and if you get frustrated you can just switch to Jinx and steamroll everything.
I get that the whole point of the mode is a roguelite but I wish I could use the cards I pulled in the main game to make my own starter decks. That would probably make it too easy though.
>yugioh vehemently does not allow card draw in almost any capacity >combo tutoring your entire deck onto the table on the first turn is fine though
lol
I've always thought Nintendo should revisit Pokémon TCG as a video game concept but most of the mechanics haven't changed in years beyond one-off gimmicks and a meta that makes older cards worthless.
I mean there are pokemon TCG games if thats what you mean.
Personally I miss the days of where every digital TCG port was an adventure game in which you fought people for money to earn more cards.
I know Inscryption does it, but I want a full game thats just that without all the creepy pasta "meta" bullshit
I know exactly what you mean. It was great fun to be able to start with a shitty deck, earn money/cards, play against in-universe characters, etc. For YGO this also typically meant voice acting, animated cards or effects, etc.
I think we're past that point because franchises now realize that they can just make a clone of the TCG, put it online, have playing against other players be the only form of real content and then charge you to buy the cards again digitally alongside the physical cards
>I mean there are pokemon TCG games if thats what you mean. >Personally I miss the days of where every digital TCG port was an adventure game in which you fought people for money to earn more cards.
Well yeah. I am aware that there is some sort of Pokémon TCG game Nintendo put together circa 2012-ish. Well, I'm specifically talking about the actual game part of the TCG, where you went around the world, battling people, winning cards to improve your deck (the deck you started out with in the Game Boy game was hot garbage but that was kind of the point), with great music. No purchase required.
I would take a remake of the original TCG game with better graphics, being able to use the gimmick Pokémon Powers (Base Electrode, Fossil Ditto), and an AI that's not braindead. (There were so many times that where, absent from being able to attack, your opponents did nothing.)
>The Pokemon TCG actually had a Japan-only sequel that's infinitely better than the first.
I did play it. It didn't feel as well-paced and the endless "rules-based" games toward the end got tiring. Plus it didn't fix some of the existing mechanics flaws of the first.
try mtg forge
get the latest release https://github.com/Card-Forge/forge/releases and unzip the tar.bz2
its a single player simulator of magic the gathering with many different game modes
in adventure mode you start with a basic deck and get more cards by fighting enemies or buying from shops in towns
it has some issues though since the entire card pool is available so a lot of the cards you find are useless and powercrept compared to the newest cards
the most memorable moment was when i was fighting a boss that summons a random creature from my deck to his board every turn so i built a deck with 1 creature in it that loses the game after 4 turns pass
Basically just a clone off what others have mentioned ITT. Run around, earn money, buy better cards to earn more money, have tournaments or bosses or something you need to work towards to "win".
NTA but give us the ability to make varied decks. Balance is hard and there will always be one figured out meta deck that beats every CPU, but if I want to spend hours grinding gold to make a shitty ass mill deck or whatever I should be able to. Also add achievements for morons like me who go for that shit.
Stop copying MTG
Please
I'm begging you
Hearthstone, Shadowverse, Legends of Runeterra
EVERY FRICKING WESTERN TCG just apes MTG
Copy Yugioh
Copy Vanguard
fricking anything other than Magic the Fricking Gathering
Look at any successful TCG that's come out in the past half decade: Flesh and Blood, Digimon, DBZ
NONE of them copy MTG
Digimon feels pretty different thanks to the digi evolution and memory system to he fair.
DBS and One Piece are very much DM but X which at the end of the day really is just MTG but X.
That being said One Piece is a series that I enjoy a lot so it's the game I play the most
But seriously why hasn't anyone copied Yugioh yet? Surely an all gas TCG with no "sit and wait for mana" mechanics would do well among impatient zoomers?
It doesnt.
YGO has the advantage of, like magic, being old as frick.
That allows it a special place in the gaming industry that ni subsequent game can have.
For magic is the land resource for YGO is the overall pace and structure of the game.
>But seriously why hasn't anyone copied Yugioh yet?
Because the people with enough creative ingenuity are using their brains to make something original.
Meanwhile the copytards aren't intelligent enough to copy anything more complex than play land pass.
Shame about the other 98%. I had no issue with D&D or LOTR universe beyond because both of them fit into the setting fine. All this new shit like doctor who and fallout are not things I'm a fan of.
>3/4 do nothing for 4 >has to spend 2 and tap and sac creatures just to get a pittance of card draw >doesn't even get vigilance to maybe be sort of useful with its tap ability
What the frick were they thinking?
i wish mtg (and card games in general) werent so fricking israeli
paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars for the equivalent of ONE single character in another game is just ridiculous
Anon, the cards that cost hundreds are the ones that the company hasn't reprinted since the mid-90s. They make zero money off of refusing to reprint cards which is one of the arguments people use to try to convince them to change course.
Sheoldred is currently pushing $90.
The One Ring is pushing $70.
That's each. Meta decks can run four of both.
There have historically absolutely been contemporary currently-in-print cards worth well into the hundreds of dollars.
I remember people at my locals paying $200 a pop for Dracossacks, Rescue Rabbits, Tour Guides, Dark Armed Dragons, etc.
>get the urge to replay mtg >open up /tg/ and browse the mtg threads >remember how fricking shit the game is >slowly lose the will to play but its still there
this fricking sucks tbqh famalam
been encountering these 200+ card decks in ranked recently. They have gimmick bullshit like random red aggro into 5 color. What's even more annoying is that they somehow have all the shit necessary to outplay my draws. Is this some AI bullshit WoTG has for some SBMM implementation in ladder?
This still isn't actually a thing. It was a thing Mark Rosewater offhandedly mentioned as them talking about, but I'm almost sure they're too resonant to remove and there's no good replacements.
Wait this shitstorm is all based on some dumbass Ask Maro response? Dude's a corporate flack, nothing he says carries any weight. Literally the most recent Standard set was headlined by three powerful witches.
Reminder that months after them saying this and edhrec following suit to virtue signal, they printed bitterblossom in WOE which explicitly has the "tribal" type
Tribal's just a card type, they're not gonna change the name of that especially considering it's not an actual card type they use anymore. It's moreso that there's just one incidental card (Bitterblossom) that's very desirable that's also a Tribla card. Internally they've switched from the term "tribal" to "typal" (temporarily because they know it's not a great term) but they've had no issues with people calling things tribal mechanics or decks.
>they're not gonna change the name of that
They can and have errata'd cards to change their typings and/or the names of types as necessary. See the amount of "Hounds" that are actually Dogs, the absolute shit ton of obsolete creature types from classic, the Phyrexians from pre-DMU that didn't have the phyrexian type until then
That's different. That's changing a creature type in a broad thing for something still in use (and was also something actively fought over internally about whether it should be Dog or Hound, and somehow it was Hound for a long while). Tribal is a card type like Creature or Sorcery. It's a defunct type that they don't make any more of, so there's no reason to actually change it. The only reason it'd show up in the future is for other Bitterblossom reprints because literally no other Tribal card really matters. The Phyrexian one I don't understand why that took so long to be honest.
Tribal was honestly a dumb mistake in the first place. It's a card type that can't exist by itself for starters, which should logically make it a supertype, but it isn't.
>moved away from using "witch" as a creature type because of its religious connotations
Might as well remove angel, demon and god as creature types then as well.
>That's a busted-ass card
Maybe in modern standard which is all about turning creatures sideways, but "fog for two turns for 5 mana and make two treasure tokens over two turns" is complete shit. The only place that card would see play would be in proliferate decks in EDH.
>You just gotta format it until it fits.
Yeah that's what I do with regular cards, but MSE can't format the little flavor text divider properly. For example, if I add a line break or some spaces so that Gehrman's flavor text doesn't clip the box, it ends up like this.
Idk how much insight it takes but this seems pretty busted. Gehrman should probably be a 0/3 wall and the back side shouldn't be nearly that powerful. In the late game it's always coming down flipped.
I'd have it be reach, lifelink, and menace as a 4/4 instead.
Like all busted aristocrat cards you need a sac outlet to trigger it and it dies to bolt. Though I don't try too hard to balance my custom cards since there's no way to do it effectively without playtesting.
I'm upset how good the simulator and gameplay actually is. The OST is great and the selectable half fields are cool. But then it's all bogged down by how trash yugioh is. Modern duel links feels better than whatever bs is happening in master duel. I even like Rush duels more than it and it makes me wonder how regular yugioh would have been if it was made with draw 5 a turn in mind.
>sim where you dont have to grind eons for mutiple currency's to make a deck > pay piggies just by field zones and pets to keep the game afloat > pretty easy to make multiple decks
of course mtggays who take constant abuse from wizards would object
I would disagree and say the secret pack system is utter garbage. You can't make any semi new decks anymore because those komunny cucks don't make new secret packs for the new archetypes. The last one was like Albaz or some shit a year ago. So if an arcetype's featured pack rotates out when you weren't playing then you're fricked. Like if you wanted to get Dinomorphia for memes, your only choice is spending all your dust for a supbar deck
I'm upset how good the simulator and gameplay actually is. The OST is great and the selectable half fields are cool. But then it's all bogged down by how trash yugioh is. Modern duel links feels better than whatever bs is happening in master duel. I even like Rush duels more than it and it makes me wonder how regular yugioh would have been if it was made with draw 5 a turn in mind.
>play this guy >get archenemy'd >the superfriends gay pops off and demolishes the table before half of them get their commanders out because they burned all their removal already
Why does this funny little archer cause so much ire?
because experience counters are an uninteractable scaling effect attached to the player that multiple cards key off of. every marginal amount of incremental value is something that the the other players can never reset. Its roughly the equivalent of ramping to 20 lands and then wondering why people are targeting you - because people dont want to wait to see you cast the actual payoff.
You can still say tribal. WOTC doesn't care. They just don't say it internally in documentation and design stuff. It's not like it's an actual term that appears on the actual cards (the defunct Tribal card type aside).
I've not really found anything that's particularly good, there's some funny stuff you can do though. This and Altar of the Brood are good in the sense that they piss everyone at the table off.
Chaos is kinda gay but I just like the Norin because he's a funny fella who runs away. Speaking of funny fellas, this guy is also fun. He's dogshit but fun.
7 months ago
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I've never played a game after casting Scrambleverse.
I love how Gisa is just constantly the one character who's just always enjoying herself on Innistrad regardless of how fricked-up shit's getting. Her and her brother in March of the Machine were literally just bonding over beating the crap out of Phyrexians.
Oh I don't really care too much that the Phyrexians ate shit when they actually invaded the multiverse (it makes some sort of sense that a lot of places would beat them back, they only succeeded prior with subterfuge and sleeper agents, the moment they go to all-out war they're just not good enough, depending on the plane) I was just making an observation of one of the more enjoyable story moments from MOM. It didn't have many of those.
>t1 any legendary land, any legendary 1 drop, mox amber, any legendary 1 or 0 drop >t2 legendary land, elder scroll, twiddle elder scroll >win game
Nice card
>exclusively play historic meme decks >only watch lsv for vintage cube or bosh for legacy >another homosexual set in a row kills my interest a little bit more
Lotr set was the best set in years, but goddamn they need to quit with this shit. Who on earth will care about the assassins creed set? Ive already stopped watched my nibba seth play against the odds. Its going to kill all of my interest. post ashlizzie nudes
The Assassin's Creed thing isn't even a real set. It's gonna be sized the same as March of the Machine: Aftermath, which had only 50 new cards. So, like, who's that even for? You can't even draft it.
I just finished Inscryption and now I'm sold on the genre. I never really played card games outside of some Yu-Gi-Oh Gameboy advanced titles. I've recently finished slay the spire and monster train too. I'm fricking I'm love with all this and I don't have any nostalgia wearing me down. Right now I'm enjoying league's path of champion mode and Hearthstone's mercenary mode. I want to learn more of what's out there in the card game ecosystem though. I've had shadowverse installed on my phone for months untouched and I keep hearing about marvel snap but the 6 turn limit feels suffocating.
A game like EDH relies on diplomacy and player negotiation/communication, good luck doing that with random homosexuals online. Same reason Hearts of Iron IV multiplayer is a hellscape.
It has Historic Brawl which is just EDH but with 25 life instead of 40. Also everyone playing it is a moron who can't read cards and doesn't know how to play the game.
t. someone who literally gets to eat creatures for free every single game because people don't read Chromium and realize he has flash.
He's kinda shit but I play esper board wipe and removal tribal and none of the esper commanders particularly care about that. Saruman or the lifegain one are probably better but I like having an actual Elder Dragon as my commander. Then he ended up being the best possible pick for my deck since he's a decent finisher and Arenatards don't know he has flash and don't know about his hexproof ability and don't know you can't use said ability after blocking/being blocked because they can't read.
Most of my good planeswalkers are blue. Also >playing creatures in a boardwipe deck
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, playing creatures in a boardwipe deck, because for 2 mana + command tax, you can make symmetrical boardwipes asymmetrical and then win because you have a developed board and nobody else does.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I play plenty of them in my aristocrats. 2 blood artist effects can potentially turn your wrath into a "kill the rest of the table" spell.
thats pretty much how I play too. Funnily enough farewell is super good in that deck because you can wipe everything and then follow up the next turn with him to start beating face. Hes also super good with anything that gives him infect
>Chromium enjoyer
Yeah, I'm thinking based. I never saw anybody else play him while he was still in Standard in Arena either.
>other human beings itt have used chromium
I thought I was the only one who ever played with him. I used him a lot in standard esper control. Eventually made an edh deck with him at the head and hes been my fav ever since, although he is really fricking bad
>play exalted deeds + mutavault in historic >no win cons >just have book and shit to turn off any potential land destruction >never roped >boot up my budget outdated piece of shit RDWs deck from a year or two ago >roped every game
Almost certainly not. Also I'm convinced the FF villains will be transforming cards for the most part to represent them going into their final form (Sephiroth goes One-Winged Angel, etc.)
>draft set
thats exactly why it will have a new partner mechanic, all commander draft sets do. and also a perfect opportunity to break the format further.
It's not a Commander draft set. It's just a draft set.
7 months ago
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>ff >series entirely carried by recognisable characters and locations >not being a commander set when they're pushing commander+planechase harder than ever
pure delusion
7 months ago
Anonymous
You already know that they confirmed it to be a straight-to-modern set like LTR. You're just shitposting.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They've literally said it's a set like LOTR. LOTR had a legendaries matter theme because it had the most legendaries of any set ever. It still wasn't a Commander set.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, it's set up to be ideal for commander shit, but it's a full-blown set like LotR is.
>face down
For what purpose? They know what it is. You know what it is.
Also, frick Magic. I spent probably over 500 hours of my life playing Arena and I regret every single second. I fricking hate that game.
After the previous formats we've suffered through in MD, Arise Heart is nothing. The game's only been out like a year but people like me who were playing from the start know how bad it once was.
>herald of ultimateness loaded up with 6/7 negates >set 5 eldlich (skill drain, TCBOO, io, emptiness, judgeman) >DOUBLE satan dragon with chuche dodge >ash the enchantress, imperm the halq... they ns o-lion
Good old master duel hell world
OKAY. I want to know old card games you frickers enjoyed. I currently have Yu-Gi-Oh forbidden memories loaded up into my emulator. I also have monster rancher battle card ready to go too.
>Forbidden Memories
Learn how to fuse. Equip cards are your friend.
Japan got a device that let them farm a crazy amount of star chips that we didn't get, so anything vaguely iconic will cost 9999 (You get 5 per duel, at most) - western poverty mode is either farming Meteor Black Dragon from the fricking uhhhhh meadow mage, or just spamming Twin-headed thunder dragon fusion - you'll never guess what he's made out of.
>Monster Rancher Battle Card
I remember Golem being strong - Brow Hit was like, 3 guts (Cost) @ 5 damage; Chop 5 guts @ 8 damage unga bunga with few frills to his abilities. Pretty strong, considering that Dino has like, 8 hp lmao. I don't know the meta, and I imagine you're playing the ps1 version, but I always ran Golem/Naga/Dino in the GB game, and just beating everything to death with sheer offense.
Oh. I was so caught up giving an unprompted info-dump that i forgot to make a recommendation.
Digimon Digital Card Battle
Duelist of the Roses
Dark Duel Stories on the GBC is pretty primitive, but it had a pretty interesting card-creation mechanic that was pretty fun to figure out at the time souleater upper body, rex lower body for 2000/2000 4*
Whats so good about Dauntless Escort/Selfless Spirit that comes back every turn? Does it play closer to Mother of Runes or does it lead to one sides wraths?
It's a generic extra deck monster that can be summoned pretty easily, modest body @ 2500 atk, that can provide some okay protection for your field - it was a negate, before negates got really out of hand, and a layer of protection the opponent would need to address, before they started blowing up other stuff. I'd say the cards you mentioned are pretty good comparisons.
I wouldn't really say it influenced the meta too strongly or anything, but it was the 5ds (Third gen ygo series) MC's boss monster, so it got a lot of attention.
How do Yugioh players stomach the game with the amoung of 1TK combo and control decks floating around? It's like playing MTG Vintage but somehow worse.
Go ask the Yu-Gi-Oh! general up on Ganker 24/7 and go get your cope replies there. You'll see they're all just anime nostalgia that they can't let go of.
I usually play in a more casual setting, with archetypes that I like - stuff like fossils, wights, vampires, vendreads, ancient gears, etc.
CPU, friends, etc - not too fond of competitive stuff, because it can get way too sweaty at higher levels, and the stress of potentially de-ranking is enough to turn me off.
I completely dropped yugioh when they introduced synchro summons. Felt like the game I loved changed in a direction I didn't like.
I got into MtG after realizing I played one of their Duels of the Planeswalkers games as a kid without realizing it was MtG. It is worth noting that I never got into paper magic unlike yugioh.
Had a great time fricking around with DotP mods then swapped to Xmage when I realized I could play commander vs ai with decks I made for them.
Eh, you get used to all the mess after a while if you stick with it.
You learn how the most common decks work, you learn how your own deck fares up against them, how to properly build a deck that won't die goind second, how most unintuitive rulings work, how to play around handtraps, how to identify when you don't have to play around handtraps, how to read the opponent's hand, where to hit combo lines and so on and so forth.
It's like fighting game homies, at first it seems like an insurmountable prospect but as you play you get the hang of it.
>Konami made a deck based on the Chinese Zodiac >Two of the members are permanently unplayable because you made them too strong >You can never play a full Zodiac deck ever
How embarrassing
Realistically, zoos are long past their prime and could all come back to 3 since norden is banned. They just don't do enough in today's game. >normal summon reliant one card combo archetype that dies to nibiru and ends on not broken stuff
That's prank kids and live twin.
whichever anon brought up Duel Masters multiple times in this thread can frick off. you made me remember how fricking KINO that game was and seethe that I will never EVER be able to play it because they hoard that shit for chinks forever now. My childhood card game and Im stuck playing the dogshit PS2 game
Too many crossovers have made MTG shit. It used to feel like its own thing. Now it's just pop culture the tcg. It's become the funko pops of card games.
The morons running it want to bleed it dry before giving up on it. They probably aren't too happy with how high of expectations the player base has on them. Never forget 30th anniversary.
Most my paper friends play commander. The really hardcore ones are into shit like vintage cubed and modern cubed. It's best to just play shit that everyone can do. Like drafting.
vintage is like melee
it's fun because it's fast and there's a lot of broken shit
instead of complaining about balance, lean into it and just have fun playing card games with your friends
Drafting will always be less fun if their is a clear choice. Why take anything other than that overpowered shit? At what point is it just flowcharting until you end up in 1 of X possible meta flavored decks?
7 months ago
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>Why take anything other than that overpowered shit?
if you've already figured out what your deck is going to do and there's something that suits your gameplan better in the pack
if i'm playing e.g. blue artifacts I will take tinker over a mox every time
same for jund control and yawgmoth's will >At what point is it just flowcharting until you end up in 1 of X possible meta flavored decks?
depends strongly on how tuned the cube/set is around specific playstyles, some lists are pretty questionable in this regard
with a linear enough cube it can feel like the drafting is just a formality and you'd be better off just splitting the archetypes into card pools for players to build decks around, but we should assume your friends aren't drooling morons
7 months ago
Anonymous
Thing thing about playing one particular style and seeing a mox is that their IS a chance for the bomb card to wheel. You will NEVER see a mox wheel. And if you are so deep in a draft that you have a archetype for your deck, chances are that nobody else has it because you've plucked all those cards.
7 months ago
Anonymous
still a risk/reward decision
if it doesn't wheel, you've got mana but lack that tasty piece of cardboard to spend it on
did you miss our bro beknotted sight?
and OUR GIRL rootrider faun (you dork)?
>Its insane that MtG isnt working towards the MGO replacement the same way Valve made CS 2.
About that, the MTGO team can't even keep up with how fast wotc is doing supplemental releases like commander deck specific cards and some of the UBshit. The team is already overrun trying to keep the game up to date with the sheer wave of cards that are being pushed into the game every year and they can't do it.
MTGA has a similar problem where they need to go backwards and code old sets of cards to set up a playable pioneer/modern format eventually. But its taking them a dog's age to port even a single set of cards because of how many new ones they have to code. The old sets they do port are missing some cards because they're Frankenstein sets that are two sets of cards condensed into one, so plenty of stuff is missing meaning it's never going to be a perfect port of the original format. Basically nether game is in a position to push out a MD style client and they just have to sit there, seethe, and eat Konami's shit while WotC makes them code another 3 sets worth of new cards.
>MD style client
are you saying this as a good thing or bad thing? because MD client is fricking god awful. I assume you havent played MD if you think that client is good with its for-mobile design
>But its taking them a dog's age to port even a single set of cards because of how many new ones they have to code.
which is why they need to not do alchemy and not waste time with "historic anthology".
> they're Frankenstein sets that are two sets of cards condensed into one,
this literally does not matter when the core of every set is limited reprints like Duress or another bolt. If you already have the code for Shock/Bolt then dont pretend like adding Fire Dart into the mix is a herculean task. its copy and paste. same for fight spells. same for board wipes, same for cantrips.
>this literally does not matter when the core of every set is limited reprints like Duress or another bolt. If you already have the code for Shock/Bolt then dont pretend like adding Fire Dart into the mix is a herculean task. its copy and paste. same for fight spells. same for board wipes, same for cantrips.
The problem isn't that they're omitting limited draft chaff, its that some cards that actually see real play in pioneer did not make it into some of these remastered sets as a result not not everything being there. Bare in mind I'm not making excuses for the team, just saying what's come straight for the horses mouth. They have admitted they're behind.
this is Ganker everything is le shit and all video games are le bad because unchecked angst pessimism and I am RAEG guy. Arena is fine, If you arent into looking at the microsoft excel sheet that is MGO this is your only alternative and its honestly a 6.5/10 alternative imo. Its not AWFUL but theres some things holding it back from true greatness the most obvious of which is you dont get to play with every single card in the game. just a fraction of them but if you want just a kind of Pioneer/Standard simulator or just a place to run some drafts MTGA has your back.
Be warned though, the game is driven by a skeleton crew who only do the bare minimum to upload new standard sets as they come out on a the 2-3month periods. nothing more, nothing less. If you are okay with that then go ahead.
yeah and why is that? because they didnt add your favorite set? or is it because "herr shuffler is un rigged! eye draw only ze lands!"
7 months ago
Anonymous
shuffler is objectively, provably rigged
i can smell the boot leather on your breath
7 months ago
Anonymous
>provably rigged opening hands with hand smoothing (see people running 3 land decks and then getting 2 lands in every opening hand) >formats in it suck fricking dick >god awful grind wall further exasberated by the wiener and ball torture that is trying to get wins with a shitty half finished deck due to lack of wild cards >rigged matchmaking for BO1 >daily missions suck ass >frick tons of bots meant to pad games
7 months ago
Anonymous
The main issue with arenas are >no multiplayer >this means you either have to play 1v1 commander (autistic) >or play standard (garbage) >or play Historic, which is just modern but somehow even less fun
7 months ago
Anonymous
There is genuinely no reason to play Arena when both Untap.in and wieneratrice are free and have players. Untap.in in particular uses a coin system that gives your deck a coin rating based mainly on its price but also competitiveness too, allowing lobbies to be locked to a specific coin level maximum for budget games or just to avoid the biggest cancers
Im more inclined to believe the clueless boomers behind it still dont understand whats needed to make a successful online magic game and refused to give the proper budget to the people behind it because they had a lapse of faith from what happened during magic duels. Its a slow learning process but it seems like every instance of online magic gets a few things right then a few things wrong and they just keep iterating from there. Arena is just the lastest model. Its Bigger. Its Badder. But is it too much for Mr . Incredible to handle? nah. next iteration in a decade probably.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So wait do they make you rebuy all your cards with each new game? And it's happened four times already? Why would people keep falling for this?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Duels of the Planeswalkers was a onboarding game that featured pre-con decks vs Pre-con decks ONLY. you had a handful of them to choose from and you played vs other players. very popular.
Magic duels is literally the precursor to Magic Arena. it was WoTC for the first time saying "no precons, just buy cards and build a deck' the microtrasactions were SO AWFUL though the game choked to death. MTGA is the latest and they made DAMN SURE to make acquiring cards easier this time around and kept the expensive purchases locked to cosmetics. Duels walked so Arena could run as the zoomers say.
7 months ago
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>The non-canon comics did more with Jace and Vraska than anything except Ixalan ever did in canon
Shit sucks.
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STAY
AWAY
it is somehow more exploitative and miserly than even the worst gachas
I fully expect them to release a Dr. Strange planeswalker either this year or next year to test the waters then we'll get a full Disney sponsored set if it's well-received
Hasbro must be desperate for money given all the sponsored sets and secret lairs already out
I don't think they're necessarily desperate, they've just realized collectors and people who treat MTG like the stock market spends loadsamoney and are now pandering to that market
how long until it goes the comics in the 80s way? in other words, how long until collectors get fed up that they only print more random collector shit and stop buying
>treat MTG like the stock market spends loadsamoney and are now pandering to that market
lol.
Yeah, they're leaning into the speculative market with shit like serialized cards, but at the same time, the massive amounts of (re)printing, and the rapid-fire sets have caused the price of singles to go down. Troll & Toad is pretty sketchy as a site, but they recently discontinued listing MTG stock, and listed lack of confidence in the product as one of the reasons - they really didn't like the 30th anniversary, and they're worried wotc might reprint those eventually.
I fully expect them to release a Dr. Strange planeswalker either this year or next year to test the waters then we'll get a full Disney sponsored set if it's well-received
Hasbro must be desperate for money given all the sponsored sets and secret lairs already out
SW and marvel are owned by disney and they have their own card game. No way are the mouse mafia, the company that sues childrens hospitals for breach of copyright, sharing their IPs with their biggest and most direct competitor.
The only people buying the Disney card game are the richest and whitest of Disney freaks who can afford it, nobody is playing that shit or casually collecting it like MTG
Game itself is pretty good. I have a friend and my brother that plays the game with me. The biggest problem is actually trying to find the cards and boosters. Restocks sell out within seconds online, and within an hour or two in stores. The only stores I've seen have boosters after the initial launch are the smelly 2nd hand shops that only sell them if you join their league. I just want to play casually with my friend and brother, so now we have to hope my brother finds them since he lives in bumfrick farmer county where there are no nerds within 20-30 miles.
>they have their own card game.
how is that going btw? I never seen anyone talk about it
I have literally never heard of a single person ever playing this, and I watch a lot of TCG videos. These are basically just cardboard funkopops for Disney fanatics or resellers banking on a profit down the line.
What is the Netflix show even about? Do we know? I think I remember seeing that Gideon was gonna be a character, so maybe a sort of retelling of Gideon's whole journey up 'til WAR?
I doubt that. probably just end it at the big Eldrazi fight since thats where the "gatewatch" officially formed . the premier super heroes of the IP
7 months ago
Anonymous
>probably just end it at the big Eldrazi fight since thats where the "gatewatch" officially formed . the premier super heroes of the IP
Oh wonderful so we're going to start at the exact point where the MTG story took a huge nosedive and completely biffed their best antagonists in years.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>completely biffed their best antagonists in years.
uh..... Ob Nix?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I think people like the Eldrazi purely on an aesthetic level. Conceptually they're fine, but they're hardly antagonists. Emrakul had some clear agency but the other titans just felt like they were... 'There'. They were just big things. They didn't even go all that big on the more madness stuff that Lovecraftian stuff usually does, except for Emrakul but only really once.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I said "antagonists" and not "villains" for a reason anon, them NOT being another evil demon/dragon/etc. scheming about doing evil schemer things behind the scenes and just being huge frickoff eldritch horrors beyond comprehension with inscrutable motives and unstoppable power was the entire reason they were refreshing.
Then they die off one set after being introduced before they can even flesh anything about them out. At least they didn't frick up Emrakul too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
> but they're hardly antagonists
the main titans? no. but their spawn was absolutely wrecking the other sentients left and right. people getting calcified,impaled,distorted and worse.
Zendikar was absolutely a bloodbath but not because of the titans directly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
And then Zendikar Rising was like "haha that was a weird couple years, right? Anyway adventure". At least Innistrad I can buy being blase about it, horror is their deal, but Zendikar nearly fricking all died.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>zendikar gets raped by the roils because of the imprisoned titans >they get released and frick everything up even more >then they go on a happy go lucky adventure >then they get raped by phyrexians
who on the writing team hates zendikar like damn?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Now Nahiri has locked down the plane (somehow, don't question it) so planeswalkers can't get in >Because reasons
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Nahiri while sparked: I love being a planeswalker! >Nahri post desparking: KILL ALL PLANESWALKERS, I AM THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE PLANESWALKER QUESTION
weird character arc for her after she just got done being all >I'll totally sacrifice myself to stop the phyrexians!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nahiri's always been questionably written. She's fine when she's just on a vengeance spree, and I can buy her wanting to be like "frick it time to show these kids what I can do" when it came to Phyrexia, but she just sort of randomly went "actually frick Planeswalkers" after... Ajani tried to have a genuine conversation with her and she was like "OH FRICK HE'S HERE TO KILL ME", because Ajani, noted assassin, apparently.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Haha this fricking nerd cares about card game lore.
You're such a wanker.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Remember that time she swore eternal revenge on Sorin and unleashed the same eldritch horror that destroyed her home on his home, knowing it would then go to other planes to frick things up too, and then randomly stopped fighting him when they met on Ravnica because oh I guess Bolas is more important now? Good times
7 months ago
Anonymous
They literally didn't stop fighting, though? They ONLY fought each other on Ravnica and didn't care for Bolas at all.
7 months ago
Anonymous
In the shitty book they stop fighting when Gideon steps between them and tells them "hey stop and help us beat this dragon"
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He thinks the book is canon
I choose to believe the only things that happened in War of the Spark were Jace and Vraska fricked and then Gideon died after Liliana killed Bolas.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Jace and Vraska fricked
About that...
7 months ago
Anonymous
our boy got in that snussy. dont even pretend otherwise.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He literally didn't in the book. In fact the book undoes all of Jace and Vraska's character development from Ixalan completely. Vraska becomes evil again and murders a bunch of people despite getting her memories back for no reason as soon as she shows up on Ravnica and Jace just simps for her a bit and then Vraska fricks off in the middle of all the fighting.
They do frick in Ixalan though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
And then they're just kinda apparently a thing by All Will Be One despite never seeing it happen so I just assume War is basically half-canon. What you see on the cards happened at least.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure everybody including WOTC likes to ignore that WAR ever happened. The book was total dogshit and nobody was satisfied with anything that happened in it at all besides maybe Gideon's sacrifice. And even then that leaves a sour taste in the mouth because you just KNOW Wizards did it because they didn't want a straight "white" male as the lead character for the color.
7 months ago
Anonymous
hes greek thats blacker than a subsaharan african
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure they felt that Gideon sacrificing himself to kickstart Liliana's character development was very much 'the thing' for him to do. The point was everybody else had given up on Liliana being worth saving, but Gideon went "no, I know she can be better".
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it was undoubtedly a good move. But their virtue signaling constantly gives it a very, very slightly bitter aftertaste if you think about it too long. Especially in the context of everything else that happened in that book at their behest being bafflingly moronic (EG pissing off all the dykes with the Chandra thing, killing off a fan favorite Planeswalker in an intentionally anticlimactic way, etc)
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm positive that Gideon's sacrifice was an intended character beat a long while before it happened. Probably when they started writing him and Liliana interacting in Dominaria.
7 months ago
Anonymous
True, I do remember people speculating that we might get orzhov Liliana and/or Gideon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Jace and Vraska are the only MIA compleated walkers as of now, so I choose to believe they're fricking (possibly as cyborgs, possibly not, who knows).
7 months ago
Anonymous
when Phyrexia got closed off all the Glistening oil went inert. even if you are compleated you shouldnt be affected by the mind control anymore. but uhhh goodluck with the pincerhands and robo-tentacle grafts.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean the MOM side-story about Vraska shows that Jace at least set up a sort of failsafe in her mind back on Ixalan and that helped her not be fully compleated I guess. Presumably the same happened for him but we don't know because he just left without a word in the first chapter to 'somewhere'. Maybe we'll see what the frick is up when Thunder Junction comes around, because we know Vraska's there at least. And Jace is probably not far behind. Cowboy Jace is probably a cool aesthetic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I wanna say they'll frick it up but they made pirate Jace and pirate Vraska work. I hope they get the same writer that did Ixalan for it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
She DID write that one story for MOM, but I'm fairly sure she doesn't even work for Wizards anymore? Then again she left last year and that story was this year. Maybe they brought her back to write that because they realised "oh this person knows how Jace and Vraska work", maybe that was written before she left, I dunno.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn't the entire point of the Oil that even if a single drop of it existed then Phyrexia still existed?
7 months ago
Anonymous
things change I guess
7 months ago
Anonymous
A card like that should have been 1B and an instant
7 months ago
Anonymous
>destroy target planeswalker or hydra for 1B at instant with a cantrip
I dunno about that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well, sort of? It's unclear. The oil was apparently modified so now it needs a controller, and that controller is now dead and also cut off from the rest of the multiverse.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Anon my friend if there is ONE thing that is certain in the entire magic cosmology, it's that if jace and vraska are currently unaccounted for, they are having extremely wild sex.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They literally didn't stop fighting, though? They ONLY fought each other on Ravnica and didn't care for Bolas at all.
They sound like they should stop beating around the bush and frick already
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure people ship it.
Then again I've seen somebody shipping Jace/Nahiri and I'm not entirely sure why.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Emrakul mind controls Jace into some weird mental chess game >ummm why don't the mortals welcome us??? this isn't le right??? >meanwhile this is what their spawn have been doing
was Emrakul moronic?
7 months ago
Anonymous
that was Ulamogs spawn. not Emrakuls. and this was before they decided that Emrakul had access to the MADNESS WAVELENGTHS soul power.
Ulamogs spawn did not frick around. Kozileks spawn we wierd and bit curious but Ulamogs really did just get in there and frick shit up.
7 months ago
Anonymous
why was ulamog such an butthole
7 months ago
Anonymous
The titans are primarily three separate things. Ulamog is brutality and destruction. Kozilek is distortion and space-breaking. Emrakul is madness and corruption.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Roid Rage and Hunger
7 months ago
Anonymous
he's bald so he gets no lovecraft pussy
7 months ago
Anonymous
From what I remember the Eldrazi are basically like the multiversal cleanup crew that break down dying planes so they can be recycled and born again. >Ulamog destroys everything and reduces things to dust, so his spawn just go around kiling everybody and erasing things >Kozilek unmakes the laws of reality that bind the plane so that they can be reshaped >Emrakul does something that I forgot
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Emrakul does something that I forgot
Plants new life. Basically the reason for goblins, humans, Dragons, etc being on every realm. She's pretty much god
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah that's what I thought but I wasn't sure.
So basically Ulamog and Kozilek are the cleanup crew and Emrakul is the reshaper. Which is why she's the most able to be reasoned with of all the titans.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Was any of this actually confirmed? I feel like we just theorised this and it never actually mattered because the Eldrazi basically ceased to exist after Eldritch Moon. And Ugin's warning didn't matter at all I guess.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If not I hope they lean into it. Like killing Ulamog and Kozilek dead really fricked things up and planes all start decaying and accelerating the heat death of the multiverse because there's no more Eldrazi to keep things running anymore.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Probably more likely it'll just be "the Blind Eternities will spit out some new ones soon enough". Who fricking knows. The main villain seems to be Ashiok now, so I guess we won't know for a while.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ashiok isnt a villain. he's kinda just a douche. He didnt CAUSE the sleep spell on Eldraine. he just went there to get his kicks and exploit the situation. He actually helped defeat the Phyrexians you know. hes more of a self serving chaotic neutral.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ashiok's role in the WOE story suggests that there's some sort of 'thing' Ashiok is gathering other people for, given Eriette was brought away to 'somewhere' at the end of the story. So if it's not Ashiok, it's probably... I dunno, still-compleated Jace who knows.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ulamog corrupts the mana, Kozilek consumes the corrupted mana, and Emrakul sows the seeds of new life upon the blank canvas
7 months ago
Anonymous
They each have different roles to remake worlds when they get there.
Ulamog levels everything for what's to come, Kozilek reworks reality a bit, and Emrakul leaves behind new life. Makes sense that Ula's would be the ones to wreck everything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Zendikar was absolutely a bloodbath but not because of the titans directly.
lmao what? Sea Gate got fricking nuked out of existence instantly just by Ulamog and Kozilek existing together near it. Ulamog wiped out an entire continent. (Until it got magically healed completely by lesbian elf)
Do you think MaRo is anything but a puppet and a headpiece? do you think him retiring will accomplish anything?
genuine question. I always wonder whats the thought process behind people who aim their anger at the face of a team whos only job is literally public relations and inevitably getting rotten tomatoes thrown at them. killing the messenger never accomplishes anything.
There is genuinely no reason to play Arena when both Untap.in and wieneratrice are free and have players. Untap.in in particular uses a coin system that gives your deck a coin rating based mainly on its price but also competitiveness too, allowing lobbies to be locked to a specific coin level maximum for budget games or just to avoid the biggest cancers
>There is genuinely no reason to play Arena when both
I mean theres a very simple reason one would enjoy Arena over Tabletop Simulator, over wieneratrice and all those other sims but the reason would piss you off and send you into conniptions.
The main issue with arenas are >no multiplayer >this means you either have to play 1v1 commander (autistic) >or play standard (garbage) >or play Historic, which is just modern but somehow even less fun
>no multiplayer
this is the biggest one but even if it did exist it would still have limited card pool so it wouldnt be as fun anyway. lack of social aspects is a huge one. >which is just modern but somehow even less fun
agreed. so tired of getting Orcish bowmastered in Historic. this totally wouldnt be the case if we had Modern. then I could get Orcish Bowmastered AND Rakdos scammed! Not having Modern Horizons on MTGA is such a L
>I mean theres a very simple reason one would enjoy Arena over Tabletop Simulator, over wieneratrice and all those other sims but the reason would piss you off and send you into conniptions.
the only sensible argument you could even present is "muh polish" which is not as good of a reason as being able to use whatever cards you want play whatever format you want and actually play more than 1 on 1, but continue to shill like a good goy
You don't need Hearthstone graphics to enjoy and play a card game lmao
I buy physical cards, you're just moronic for buying digital cards that are worth even less and will disappear when Arena's plug is pulled.
>the only sensible argument you could even present is "muh polish" which is not as good of a reason
see.
even you knew it deep down but its an aspect you fundamentally disagree with. yes yes. I know im a lesser subhuman and a utter shill for liking to see my walkers warp in and start spouting cheesy one liners like "THE IMMOLATION SENSATION IS HERE!"
>he likes the Hearthstone tier card quips
underageb&
>the only sensible argument you could even present is "muh polish" which is not as good of a reason
see.
even you knew it deep down but its an aspect you fundamentally disagree with. yes yes. I know im a lesser subhuman and a utter shill for liking to see my walkers warp in and start spouting cheesy one liners like "THE IMMOLATION SENSATION IS HERE!"
These are all cringe. I don't need Marvel quip shit in my TCG thanks.
7 months ago
Anonymous
NOW DO YOU SEE the BENEFITS... of PEACE?
?t=21
god I hope the Netflix show is good
7 months ago
Anonymous
please don't set yourself up for disappointment like that
7 months ago
Anonymous
surely it will have the same animation quality they use in their cinematics right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
it will be an anime like their current trailers
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7 months ago
Anonymous
god I hope not. If there was ever a chance for them to resurge interest in Magic I feel like they have to nail it with a ARCANE tier show. Cyberpunk Netrunners also 180'd peoples interest in the games too huh?
comon WotC dont fricking fumble this. your IP is liquid gold. use it correctly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What is the Netflix show even about? Do we know? I think I remember seeing that Gideon was gonna be a character, so maybe a sort of retelling of Gideon's whole journey up 'til WAR?
7 months ago
Anonymous
They had DnD catapulted to extreme new heights with Steanger Things and completely squandered that by just not releasing shit for way too long.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you know I actually really liked the DnD movie
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was really good but it was lighthearted and fun, so it got shat on by movie "critics"
7 months ago
Anonymous
I did too actually
It was really good but it was lighthearted and fun, so it got shat on by movie "critics"
not true, critics and viewers all gave the movie great scores but it didn't do well at the box office because...not that many people saw it
and who can blame them because wotc's track record doesn't inspire confidence
7 months ago
Anonymous
Comfy movie, agreed. Was violently dethroned by BG3, though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Considering the absolute state of basically everything Magic story-related in the last decade that was Ixalan's story, I doubt the show will be any good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ixalan was probably the last time the story was just overall good though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I was moronic and meant to say "wasn't." Ixalan was the only time the MTG main story has been good in a while. At least until War of the Spark, Ihaven't paid attention to anything after WAR since I made the mistake of buying that dogshit book they released with it and it ended up being the literal worst novel I've ever read (I've read all four Twilight novels)
7 months ago
Anonymous
There's good side-stories here and there but broadly speaking the story kinda nosedived when Ixalan finished off. It hit its lowest with War of the Spark and it has had some good bits here and there but the Phyrexia twofer of All Will Be One to March of the Machine was just kind doing a lot of the same problems as War did. Not AS bad, but it does sort of feel like a lot of the build-up once again didn't matter because it was basically just "anyway Wrenn saves Teferi and Zhalfir with him, Zhalfir kicks the shit out of New Phyrexia and then Karn kills Elesh Norn which somehow shuts off all Phyrexians".
Honestly my main complaint is that they still barely even have done anything with Jace and Vraska post-Ixalan. It was basically completely ignored in War of the Spark and just vaguely implied to be a thing and then both got compleated (and are notably the only compleated walkers to be still MIA post-March, three were cured, three died, and they're just unknown) and apart from one side-story in March of the Machine (which I think was the highlight of MOM's story), Jace and Vraska are completely irrelevant. Compleated Jace should've been a terrifying villain and he just wasn't.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean they already fricked up by going with netflix instead of a higher budget outlet like amazon or hbo so I won't hold my breath
the only reason arcane worked was because it ISN'T netflix show
it was made inhouse by riot and simply placed on netflix
7 months ago
Anonymous
If they get that one anime studio that does all the other Netflix animes like Dota Dragons blood and that He-Man special my face is going to explode. thats worse case scenario for me because none of those are ever memorable besides Castlevania.
7 months ago
Anonymous
isn't that the same dogshit studio that made legend of korra? god I hope it's not them
7 months ago
Anonymous
>amazon
Yeah, because they have a great record for adapting fantasy works.
7 months ago
Anonymous
they have great production values, it's easy to simply shop around and find decent writers
not so easy to make a fantasy show on a cheap budget
7 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah that's still a thing, the Netflix show isn't it? I totally forgot about it because we've heard... Nothing. Is it still the Russos on it?
commander homies have literally no spine and are absolute hypocrites >oh did I shit stomp this table? Teehee I mustve just gotten lucky lol >oh did you win? Sorry bro but find another table or remove all counters from your deck because its actually a level 9 power deck since I lost to it
fricking queers
No I'm talking about the hypocrisy of being okay with cards like >bane of progress >farewell >cyclonic rift >etc.
That make the game drag on absurdly long but shitting and pissing their pants when someone uses Armageddon as a finisher or has Numot in the command zone, or has some incidental land removal in their deck at all. I had someone fricking refuse to play with me ever again because I had Decimate in my deck.
>play armageddon and worldslayer in my chromium deck because a 7 mana evasive beater wins games fast when no one has any lands >include teferi's prot too so I can just 1 sided sweep the game >infinite salt and Blacks dedicate multiple games to ruining my ability to play out of spite
t. the schizo who plays his broken ass k4rn artifact deck and then gets asshurt when people farewell his degenerate combo away
7 months ago
Anonymous
No I just play land removal because I got really fricking tired of every single player with black in their commander deck (and in their ass) tutoring up urborg + coffers every single game. Then became the table's archenemy because commander players literally have an aneurysm when someone interacts with their lands
7 months ago
Anonymous
>ahhh I'm playing pure cancer why is everyone targeting meeeee!!!
nobody wants to watch you play solitaire, b***h
I bet your second deck is hard control
7 months ago
Anonymous
>AHHHHH NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BLOW UP MY THESPIAN'S STAGE IT'S NOT FAAAIIIRRRR!!!!!
Cry about it, stupid Black person.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one crying about getting targeted by the table, that's all you lil bro
7 months ago
Anonymous
god I fricking hate you commanderBlack folk. Im not even that anon but this smug Black person tier moronation you have is the same kind of shit people used have before getting filtered by standard and fricking off forever. But then they just had to make a format for morons like you to fester in
7 months ago
Anonymous
most played format btw
you lost, land destruction is highly limited spot removal for manlands now and you'll never get your homosexualry back because everybody and I mean everybody agreed that land destruction is for homosexuals
7 months ago
Anonymous
>bragging about commander being the most popular format as if the wizards hadnt personally destroyed every other format >bragging about commander being the most popular format as if it also hasnt been ruined by wizards
enjoy your slightly less shitty tasting dogshit anon. Me? I jumped shit from that dogshit game years ago and havent been more happy
7 months ago
Anonymous
>people like playing the game? frick them FRICK THEM I have to blow up their lands! >wtf no you can't just kill me!
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
see
>AHHHHH NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BLOW UP MY THESPIAN'S STAGE IT'S NOT FAAAIIIRRRR!!!!!
Cry about it, stupid Black person.
Continue being part of the problem, homosexual.
I'm not the one crying about getting targeted by the table, that's all you lil bro
>he says while literally shitting out of his mouth because someone put decimate in their deck
Continue being an assmad little filtered homosexual baby. >g about getting targeted by the table
But I didn't cry about this, I cried about the Black folk trying to gaslight me into taking the cards out of my deck or insinuating they're unfair instead of just dealing with it. It's the same as homosexuals that cry about board wipes or counterspells.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not in the wrong here, everyone else is for punishing me for playing land destruction waaah waaah!
kek
7 months ago
Anonymous
>WAWEAAAAWHAAAAAAAAAAA NOOOOO STOP BLOWING UP MY FIELD OF THE DEAD IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR! RULES COMMITTEE BAN THIS CARD! BAN ALL LAND DESTRUCTION CARDS THEY'RE NOT FAAAAAAIRR WAAAAAAAH
7 months ago
Anonymous
>bragging about commander being the most popular format as if the wizards hadnt personally destroyed every other format >bragging about commander being the most popular format as if it also hasnt been ruined by wizards
enjoy your slightly less shitty tasting dogshit anon. Me? I jumped shit from that dogshit game years ago and havent been more happy
and yet, wotc and the playerbase agree with me and despise you
cope and seethe
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the company that exclusively caters to shitter morons agrees with you
Thank you for proving me objectively correct. I accept your concession.
7 months ago
Anonymous
keep seething sweaty ;3
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why would I seethe? I won the argument, proved that I was objectively correct and you even kneeled and outright admitted that I was.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>still frothing at the mouth that the game itself has exiled his shitty strategies
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
Bro you don't have to keep pretending like you unironically believe modern MTG design is better. You can just admit you lost the argument, everyone else thinks you did since you outright admitted it when you said "WOTC agrees with me," which to any good MTG player means "I am incorrect."
7 months ago
Anonymous
magic is better than it's ever been and the fact that it makes morons like you fly into rages just makes playing it all the better
7 months ago
Anonymous
>magic is better than it's ever been
7 months ago
Anonymous
ywnbaw
7 months ago
Anonymous
The only people who think this are zoomers and redditors like the ones in this thread thinking the Arena quips are cool and talking about a Netflix show. Magic fricking blows right now
7 months ago
Anonymous
I wonder if you'll still feel that way when they're making shit like a Travis Scott edh deck in a year.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pathetically trying to spin this as a troll when you got caught acting like a little b***h
shoo shoo baby your homosexual general is on /tg/. Go there and circlejerk about how evil LD is over there
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nta, but you genuinely don't see a problem with how dumb the game has gotten since they decided to fully pander to EDH?
Not even talking about FIRE, I mean shit like Rick Grimes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>being smug about being a little b***h
fricking lmao couldnt be anymore of a commanderqueer if you tried. Let me guess, you try to bully other players out of using interaction because its also nofun wrongbad?
I'm okay with them except for Cyclonic Rift. It's simply too OP and I refuse to play it in any deck. It's okay when others play it though, I don't really get mad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>eternal dominion
man I fricking love that spell in my arcanis deck. Shit makes you feel like a real, all powerful VVizard
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's ten times better when you pair it with this lil homie.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesnt know about echo mage
if you copy eternal dominion the copies stack and get cast every turn so you can just keep playing more and more shit until your oppenents deck out or concede
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, I do play it with Izzet. The most I've been able to copy it is 12 times. The main objective of Hive Mind is to lock everyone from casting while also engaging in the epic duel.
No I just play land removal because I got really fricking tired of every single player with black in their commander deck (and in their ass) tutoring up urborg + coffers every single game. Then became the table's archenemy because commander players literally have an aneurysm when someone interacts with their lands
Start playing mutavault + book of exalted deeds to bully them into running land destruction
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I've considered building a legacy lands in EDH style deck. Running all the degenerate land-related shit like glacial rift, marit lage, angel mutavault, etc.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I did this and its not fun because you are shoe horned into 4-5c legends due to commander's moronic rules on lands
7 months ago
Anonymous
I think most of the degenerate lands are colorless.
This is why i convinced my friends to ban cheap tutors. excessive shuffling slows the game down too much anyway so it's just win/win to get rid of them.
Commander is the format where Eldrazi gays get to run rampant with their 80 colorless mana rocks and annihilator quadrillion cancer and that alone makes it suck
I have a completely different outlook, and I've been playing for 12 years. My locals went from having 30+ people to not being able to fire cuz everyone just wanted to play fricking EDH. Then COVID hit and they killed off big events.
>Making fun digital card games
Divorce them from "collectible" card games. Deckbuilding games are fun, secondary markets and "chase cards" and all the shit that comes with a manufactured limited supply is not. If you need to make money for your game, you can sell the game, or you can sell expansions, or even sell cards directly--but don't artificially limit their fricking supply, that just messes everything up and creates an environment where players who can afford the best decks get to play and everyone else gets to eat shit.
Summon Wars is a good example of this. They sell decks, but the decks are available to everybody and will never run out (and they're also extremely cheap, at only a few bucks per). If you want a deck, you can buy it, and you get an unlimited playset of all the cards in it (meaning you can use them in as many decks as you like), no funny business. There's no speculators buying out stock, there's no scalpers hiking up the prices, no lootboxes or lootbox-equivalents. Every game should be like that.
M:tG art used to be largely commissioned to artists who were given a prompt and told to deliver it. This, obviously, resulted in a lot of different artists delivering illustrations in a lot of different styles. A LOT of it was trash, but not all of it, and over the first decade of the game's life a lot of classic art was produced.
Sometime around 2000, WotC implemented a "style guide" that solidified the look of M:tG. Artists, in addition to delivering on their prompt, were now asks to also abide by the guidelines in the guide. The goal was to unify M:tG's visual look in order to make art that originated from the game instantly recognizable as M:tG art--and it succeeded. However, this essentially made artists putting their own "spin" on a piece of art off-limits, and so all art from the last couple decades kind of just blends together into an M:tG-themed mush.
Land removal isn't the biggest evil in Commander it's that one gigahomosexual who actually uses an infect deck and gets extremely butthurt if you suggest increasing the amount of poison counters needed to lose in order to match up with commander's 40 life total
>changing the rules of the game because you cant handle a specific playstyle
I had some homosexual try to pull this infect counters to 20 shit on me and I called him a moron to his face. Of course in standard commander Black persondry he only tried it as I was swinging with an 11 infecter lol
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T KILL YOU IN 2 TURNS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO WAIT DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF TURNS AT LEAST WAAAH
you're the exact homosexual I'm talking about and are why you have no groups to play with. The entire reason Infect was soft-reworked into Toxic is because there's no "alternate playstyle" to infect, it's literally just winning with half the damage needed, the problem in commander arising when it's a fricking fourth of the damage required.
Toxic is nu-infect and infect is one of the few effects wotc have gone out of their way to say is never coming back. And if it ever did literally every deck would have to splash green just to play the anti-infect card
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah but you still die at 10 counters
7 months ago
Anonymous
Toxic is one counter regardless of damage which is way more manageable than chaos warping a blightsteel into the game early or turning multiple 1/1s into 10/10s in a single turn which in green is easy
Toxic is how infect should have always been to be honest
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well, no, Toxic is "the number of Toxic it has" counters. But it's wholly independent of the damage done. The only thing that does poison based on damage is the new Etali but if you're getting hit by that you deserve to lose.
Combat tricks and buff cards that work on non-infect creatures also work on infect you know. Only the threshold to buff them high enough to one-shot a player is 1/4th the normal amount
And it just so happens most of the infect cards are in green, the color full of creature buffing cards
green can get 7 mana really fast, by like turn 3 >land, dork, simply choose your flavor of elf (2) >land, dork, dork, dork (6) >land, sylvan primordial
>I hate commander! >why? >because I played a cancerous deck and still got smashed by the rest of the table!
every time
all edh haters are just shitters who got outskilled despite trying to play overpowered stuff
Yeah man, let's look at the format with the most land destruction in it. Look at all these land destruction decks; clearly these types of cards are just TOO POWERFUL.
yeah because if Im going to evaluate game balance and you being a little b***h Im going to look at a real format for how the game was intended to be played
moron
Yeah it clearly led to land destruction dominating because people can stack their decks with all the best land destruction cards, unlike Commander where they're limited to only one copy of the few good ones. Look at all those decks focused on land destruction, clearly you're correct that the strategy is just too good.
It can loop wastelands but only because that's the most efficient way to fill the graveyard while still keeping up tempo. It doesn't run mass land destruction or targeted land destruction spells, and it certainly doesn't run fricking decimate.
I hate it because its a format solely for low functioning sociopaths to socially bully and groom their little group of supposed friends into being their punching bag of free wins. Literally every game is the same shit >If I win its gg lets go again >did someone else win? uhhhhhh they must have powerlevel X deck and this is a powerlevel Y table go somewhere else
a bunch of pussy homosexuals
You're talking to some moron who thinks Decimate is a better card than >Farewell >Cyclonic Rift >Bane of Progress >Expropriate
you're not getting through to him with any kind of logic
My edh group had the opposite happen where people kept bringing more and more cancer to the table and kept running more and more purposefully no fun allowed decks like discard and eventually everyone had to out of necessity run all the meta removal cards in every deck until it got boring.
>7 years later and Atraxa still hasn't been dethroned in commander format
Legit what were they thinking? that card might be one of the biggest mistakes to ever be printed
I remember reading about it in Gameinformer when I was a lad but never got it. that and the DS dragons quest game where you catapult things at the other players mecha
>English Yugioh has been cucked since the beginning
>M:TG has been cucked for a decade
Just move on. Do not engage.
>ruins youre format
>4 mana for death touch do nothing
pffft, pass!!!!!!
sheoldred 2 feels like it would be forgotten quickly but THE WON RING is currently top-tier cancer
10 turn clock that speeds up if the opponent draws to find an answer, with lifegain and deathtouch and a larger butt for safer attacks.
>wins the game by itself and doesn't even need to attack
I actually don't mind Sheoldred. Yes it's stupidly pushed and OP, but it's also essentially a Baneslayer Angel. It's a creature that does nothing if it's answered by a removal spell and absolutely stonewalls aggressive red decks that can't answer it.
Standard right now is actually moving AWAY from Sheoldred and to bigger, more expensive and impactful cards with some cheap answers for aggro and shelly. The Beanstalk control deck laughs at Sheoldred for example.
Oh and the Atraxa decks also laugh at it since they can turbo out a much bigger threat that draws 4-6 cards without actually "draw"ing them so no shelly triggers.
I'd much rather my opponent be playing Sheoldred than this Black person
lmao I got fed up against all the dumbass mono black sheoldred + 10 gorillion removal that I made that atraxa deck. Just sit till 5-7 mana and summon atraxa + etali. Usually gets them to surrender
Why bother with Etali when you can just play a sleek control shell that just happens to play/reanimate Atraxa with counter backup? Or a ramp shell with Turtle that makes your lands way more threatening and allows you to play Herd Migration for an over the top win con. Both of those versions of Atraxa decks have a better matchup against mono red and soldiers because they don't have big red dino bricks in their hand while they're getting pummeled.
Cause I'm a poor gay and didn't get lucky pulling those rares
Your wildcards bro? Unless you mean paper in which case buy singles, Atraxa is the most expensive thing in the deck (other than black Virtue if you're playing that).
And if you do mean Arena I know the wild bottleneck is moronic but grinding drafts did give me what I need without paying too many shekels to WotC.
I wanna save for Ixalan cause it looks kinda tight so far. I pretty much just aim to get plat 4 anyway
>So far
We've seen like 6 cards, my guy. Are you just a Green player who saw the new Ghalta and jizzed his pants?
yes
Y'know what at least you admit you're a degenerate.
I'm tentatively interested in the Ixalan gods though. The idea of creatures that just become lands when they die and the lands can flip back into them is a cool thing. No idea if any of them will be GOOD, but it's an interesting idea.
I'm interested in seeing how cavern of souls makes the current crop of arena players seethe
they've never had to deal with aggressive anti counterspell tech before, it'll cause a lot of tears
>aggressive anti-counterspell deck in the Arena hugbox meta where all the playable counterspells are garbage and there's already dozens of threats that don't care about being countered
Yeah it'll really cause salt.
Arena players are moronic unga bunga standtards that get assmad whenever a card does something to stop them from shitting out 35923 creatures and turning them sideways. It's why all the "name a card, that card can't be cast" cards are banned in historic
Oh yeah I suppose that being in Arena will be a thing to see. Unexpected thing to put back into the Standard environment, honestly. It's not even BEEN in Standard since its initial printing, I think?
>Whenever an opponent draws a card they lose 2 life
I play other card games so I might be wrong, but this seems incredibly broken. Card draw is key in this entire genre
it's exactly as broken as you think it is, it's 70$ because it's a must play in pretty much every format
It doesn't see much play outside of Pioneer and Standard. 4 mana spell better be able to win the game in modern or higher.
It's the 11th most played card in Modern.
You're right that it's not played in Vintage or Legacy though.
People pay more than 2 life to draw cards all the time.
>1 life per draw vs 2 life per draw
Shelly can't get your card draw on her own
>None of the Time Lord Doctors have Black in their mana cost
why would they? Except for Valeyard
The doctor very often ventures into antihero territory, the show constantly makes a point that he's almost always one step away from going completely genocidal
black is not the color of inherently evil
yes it is
the Doctor never did a necromancy to my knowledge
Regenerating is in black, and the 10th doctor had a huge ego which is a black thing thematically.
>6 mana for complete trash
>chaos ensues
???
For me, it's Stardust Dragon
This was unironically the beginning of the end for yugioh. They should have just made contact fusions for everything post GX instead of new extra deck monster types.
I like synchros a lot so I just play the 5ds tag force games when I want to play yugioh now, I tried master duel but it's a fricking miserable game
Do it my man, now I'm a big grown up with my own money earlier in the year I built myself the full Yusei synchro/junk deck of my childhood dreams
Play Edison format
>playing anything after cyber dragon came out
you're unironically a drooling moron too stupid to even play the game
Cope, I made it to nationals when duelist alliance came out. Yugioh has just turned into MTGs vintage format, which is not a good thing.
homie are you me? I fricking love stardust dragon, should probably cop a holo copy someday just for nostalgia
This boy got me back into Yu-Gi-Oh! after a long absence, albeit briefly. I thought Stardust Dragon and Scrap Dragon were really cool and synchro was a neat mechanic that reinvigorated the game. I always got shitstomped by people who knew what they were doing though.
Ive only played MtG. Is this practically mystic snake?
It's more like it can counter anything while on the battlefield by exiling it. Then it returns from exile at the end of either turn.
As Neco Arc stated, it's effectively a counter on legs, but it specifically counters anything that would DESTROY a card on the field - this would apply to targeted removal, or board wipes.
As a cost, it sacrifices itself for this negate, but then at the end of the turn, it returns to the field if it was able to counter the destruction effect.
However, it doesn't work on stuff that bounces, or banishes, so there are ways to play around it.
in mtg terms, it would work against stuff like Go For the Throat, or God's Wrath, but not Unsummon, or Swords to Plowshares.
Whats so good about Dauntless Escort/Selfless Spirit that comes back every turn? Does it play closer to Mother of Runes or does it lead to one sides wraths?
You don't. As soon as marvel made CEOs realize they just have to slap ICONIC THING on everything and lazily rake in billions it was over for all capitalist owned hobbies.
>save the digital card game genre
Why would you want to save the west's equivalent of gacha games?
it's amazing how after all this time not a single ccg has been able to dethrone yugioh or magic, why is that?
MTG has good gameplay, YGO has staying power
It's the opposite actually
because digital card games are created in a little cycle that goes like this
>moron monkey who only knows how to vomit out creatures and hit face gets filtered by yugioh combos and mtg board sweepers
>this filtered aggrotard then creates a digital card game via his nepotistic connections
>the ccg pretty much only supports hyper aggro decks because that's the only archetype afformentioned moron understands
>global iqs are not yet low enough for this to be attractive gameplay so it fails
rinse repeat
pretty much this
I tried hearthstone and
>hunters slamming your face
>of course no board clears because that would make phone players feel bad
try legends of runeterra
>board clears are friggen 9 mana in a game with practically zero ramp
yeah nah, garbage I actually think runeterra is worse cuz at least in hearthstone the creatures tend to stay small but in the league card game it's just endless buffs to creatures so it's an arms race of whoever played first wins
I feel like the nature of a digital game; clicking not physically moving anything, not sitting across from an actual person you will deal with again, and cycling through lots of shorter games; is what gives a tendency to aggressive play.
that's wrong though because mtg arena isn't like that in historic
mtgo isn't like that in modern
commander, even digital commander isn't like that at all
it's just because ccgs are made by phone Black folk who love aggro and hate strategy
MTGA Bo1 is absolutely infested with aggro for obvious reasons. Real formats are plagued with tier 0/1 netdecks, even in casual, because people are just playing whatever deck makes the numbers go up faster
Because they both came out right at the start and are now too big to fail. Yugioh was literally a one off chapter of the manga because they couldn't get the rights to MTG.
>implying he wanted the rights to MTG for it
It was literally called magic and wizards at first.
So?
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?
but I ate breakfast yesterday
And Summoned Skull is Lord of the Pit
And Morinphen is Morinfen
And this proves that they wanted to get the rights and have it actually be MTG how?
because the card game was supposed to be a one off fan chapter, it's konami that swooped in and said
>let's make a real game out of your loosely created mtg clone that you devised solely as a parody chapter
you know the mangaka is an mtg player right? what am I saying, of course you don't
Still waiting for proof
you've already been given proof, ignoring it and going
>WHERE'S THE PROOF THO
just makes you look like a troll
Show me the proof that Takahashi tried to license MTG for his manga.
mmkay so you really are just a mentally moronic troll
carry on
Both Morinfen are just dogshit.
because despite all its flaws at its core mtg is masterfully designed. Its resource systems along with its original design philosophies havent been topped because they are amazing
yugioh tried to solve the lands issue mtg had while understanding none of the nuance for why lands are a thing and so you got this aborted mess of a game that despite its flaws is still fun
So youre a game designer and want to make a tcg and have to compete with perfection on one side and imperfect but fun as frick on the other side
>yugioh tried to solve the lands issue mtg had while understanding none of the nuance for why lands are a thing
That isn't really what happened, the issue is they tried to make a real card game out of a fake card game that had totally different rules. The reason the first set is so fricking jank is because they were existing cards from a totally different ruleset.
>at its core mtg is masterfully designed
Lol, no.
why not?
You pretty much describe why I still feverishly play MtG despite being less than happy with all of the decisions being made around it.
Game is super fricking fun to play. If they keep printing fricking free spells and ruining the game that way, I'll just play with my friend at our kitchen table. This game is so ridiculously fun and the amount of bullshit you can get away with, as well as the strategies to find your way there, or to play around your opponent, keep me coming back. Great fricking card game. You'd think any number of cards would break legacy but watching it earlier is just like watching old magic games but more shit is happening per turn generally.
Pokemon
Also, Duel Masters surpassed both in Japan where the industry is more competitive.
Why are you including yugioh in this? That game is barely alive. The big two are MTG and Pokemon. The only thing yugioh has going for it is anime nostalgia, but in terms of people playing it, it's in the "who the frick cares" category with digimon, one piece, and whatever pet card game a store might have.
Yu-Gi-Oh is no.1 in Japan, which makes up half the global TCG industry all by itself.
>japan
>half tcg industry
my homie, why you lie
I would believe it. Them homies have like 10x the reckless spending habits of Americans.
on digital crap, japs very rarely buy physical
All of the big TCGs have digital clients at this point.
D-digimon sisters...
The worst thing is that they're going to rush to make a OP client before us because OP players refuse to stop cheating in webcam games.
>tfw us digimon fans are too polite and well-mannered
Please understand Bandai Namco is a small indie company, they just don't have the resources to dedicate to making a Digital version of their card game, Digital Monsters.
and they all suck ass
Yeah but japs don't care, do you see the shit they play on their phones?
Yugioh is not 1 in Japan, Duel Masters is.
Why the frick you lying?
Duel Masters has been the uncontested king of tcgs in japan for decades.
The only reason gaijins don't know about it is because Wizards of the Coast discarded it like a used cum rag after it couldn't instantly trample yugioh in the states.
Yugioh is still top 3. Go look at your LGS and its calendar of events next week, I promise you yugioh is on there.
mtggays are always on this fricking podium sniffing their farts, slaving away to there dog shit simulator. when's the last time anybody releavent has actually mentioned magic
mtg digital clients are so fricking shit its unreal
its insane that yugioh after all this time sill has the best simulators out their. Want to play officialy, master duel. Want to sill play online but dont want to grind, edo pro. Want to play a more manual game, duelingbook. Literally what other ccg community has this
wieneratrice is okay, and tabletop simulator works great
>tfw hundreds of dollars worth of currency in arena from monthly glitches
shame its missing about 500 quality of life features too
that's because magic is fricking dying as greedy homosexuals hold every rights to it and weebs+anime have become a western youth staple. Both are bad sadly but at least yugioh isn't as morally bad.
No, but KoA is israeliteest bad
Did you see how they rarity bump the newest pack?
mtg arena is straight up rigged so nobody plays it
it also doesn't have commander, the format everyone plays
I have no clue why they built arena like they did.
Yeah yeah clone hearthstone or whatever but frick, at least take the time to support 4 player multiplayer while you're building the foundation, because now it'd be basically impossible for them to add without wading through piles of spaghetti.
>4 player was in duels of the planeswalkers 2015 but not in arena
LOL
Theres not even a proper spectator mode, in the game they specifically designed for hosting digital tournaments in.
Arena was not designed to be a major product. Originally it was going to be another temporary cash grab like Magic Origins or Duels of the Planeswalkers made solely to get people into paper magic. Then Covid happened and they pivoted into making it their premier way to play the game digitally
it has historic brawl that's totally the same right :^^^)
Do you need steam to play duel links? Because you definitely don't need it for Arena.
In terms of real life paper players, mtg mogs yugioh and master duel is so bad at onramping players into the paper game (ie, the thing that makes them them oney) that it's got investors freaking out
yugioh is a dying card game.
disingenuous homosexual, more people than ever are gong out to tourney and playing. And that dosen't even include the people people buying product because of nostalgia. Come to think of it when's the last time people actually have remembered magic when its not wizards sending goons to bully players
Seethe less and post a normal sized picture, moron.
>Seethe less and post a normal sized picture, retACCCCKKK
>yugioh is a dying card game.
People who think this are the same people who don't even know Duel Masters also outsells MTG worldwide.
Duel Masters ironically also treats MTG better than WotC does.
JP DueMa is peak TCG.
I think nearly all card games are on the downward trend in one way or another and online is the future. the problem is companies dont see this maybe? or are dragging feet to admit it. Its insane that MtG isnt working towards the MGO replacement the same way Valve made CS 2. Arena is okay but frick me if Alchemy, lazy cosmetics and lack of older formats doesnt kill my excitment everyday when logging on.
>onramping players
because its impossible. the core rules of yugioh dont matter. the only thing that matters is specific knowledge of archtypes. practically no two archtypes play the same and archtypes are the crux of yugioh design now which means learning one deck is pointless because the next deck will play nothing like it also even then its daunting because WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS because Konami refuses to do keywords nor reformat cards.
then theres the fact that its just zero sum fun. one player combos into infinity and the other player doesnt get to play then vice versa happens. no back and forth anymore because of unchecked powercreep because of refusal to add formats.
sure. when is slay the spire 2?
>online is the future
I don't really think it is. Digital card games are way more convenient, but without the social aspect, it's easier to hit that point every card game player hits where they look at their collection of junk and think "the frick am i doing?" There is way higher player churn on digital clients than playing physically, and digital clients cannibalizing paper players (at least it's killed paper standard for mtg) means that all these digital clients actually have a net negative effect on their respective games.
That's probably why wotc has started trying to make mtga different from paper magic, because if you have 1:1 between the physical game and the digital game the digital game WILL slowly choke it out
>Its insane that MtG isnt working towards the MGO replacement the same way Valve made CS 2.
About that, the MTGO team can't even keep up with how fast wotc is doing supplemental releases like commander deck specific cards and some of the UBshit. The team is already overrun trying to keep the game up to date with the sheer wave of cards that are being pushed into the game every year and they can't do it.
MTGA has a similar problem where they need to go backwards and code old sets of cards to set up a playable pioneer/modern format eventually. But its taking them a dog's age to port even a single set of cards because of how many new ones they have to code. The old sets they do port are missing some cards because they're Frankenstein sets that are two sets of cards condensed into one, so plenty of stuff is missing meaning it's never going to be a perfect port of the original format. Basically nether game is in a position to push out a MD style client and they just have to sit there, seethe, and eat Konami's shit while WotC makes them code another 3 sets worth of new cards.
>MTG has a chance to capitalize on digital card game players being brought into the genre by Master Duel's explosive launch
>They release the worst client with the worst monetization system imaginable
Why did they do it
wotc literally cannot do anything right, even if they were to try (they don't)
They treated Arena as just another Duels of the Planeswalkers game, seeing as a way to siphon some quick cash from mobile whales, but then it exploded in popularity during Covid
because morons of the coast literally said
>we don't want digital to cannibalize paper
so they made it bad ON PURPOSE so that people would get into it, get frustrated and then go to paper for a better experience
>when's the last time anybody releavent
What do you mean by anybody relevant? Like, Post Malone? Or?
Because every digital card game is fricking trash.
There was one single one that had a chance, then they changed all the rules and mechanics and killed it overnight.
that's not a picture of Gwent
Gwent was doomed from the start because it was never intended to be a real card game. Its very foundation was flawed.
Duelyst 2 is out, anon
Last I heard it was owned by a completely different team.
It is. A collection of fans, if I recall? I know some balance has been shifted around, but it is free
>draw 2 cards per turn for F R E E
>neither of which be brick draws since F R E E resources
>all this free gas makes draw spells fricking idiotically useless
>pushes ALL FRICKING CLASSES into aggro
>n-no, you don't understand. this game is not trash
fricking delirious homie
because magic has
>cool ass combos
yugioh has
>cool as deck themes with identity
what the hell does hearthstone have? losing to rng in the most agonizingly frustrating way imaginable?
Because casuals would rather just go to any card shop in the nation and play magic than develop a social circle around a game no one knows about. Pokemon and yugioh have IP strength and nostalgia. They are literally too big to fail.
moronation.
Sunk cost and brand name momentum.
Same reason why WoW and FF14 will never be dethroned.
>I set walking dead rick in attack position
>I tap my optimus prime to kill your dr. who
>not so fast, I use the ken bro code to give invulnerability to my creatures
>I use you shall not pass to negate that
how did magic get to this point? its like a parody you would see on south park
so is dr who just star trek for children
it's One Piece for British people
Nobody in Britain gives a shit about it anymore
Dr who is just moronic, I've tried to watch a few episodes but they just retcon and contradict established rules every other episode, then expect you to care on the big character moments. I have no idea how people can take it seriously.
The singular good episode (blink) is basically a one shot that has nothing to do with the main cast or plot, which I don't think is a coincidence.
Creatures can have 3 types now?
>now
That's actually only two. Time Lord is a single type, because the BBC was anal about them keeping it as two words and they couldn't make "Time" a creature type I guess.
singleplayer card games are amazing its the multiplayer ones that suck ass
based intelligent gameplay enjoyer. SP card games (if designed well) are the only kind of games you can't cheat at to pretend to be good at video games. Good ones don't have grinding, so either you have the game knowledge to deal with the cards you're dealt or you die. There's also no build cheesing like "go to the sacred mound and get the moon sabre then spec into the Anus Cleanser class to curb stomp the entire game"
>and chaos ensues
what?
It probably triggers the effect of any card that says "when chaos ensues," like they did with the LotR set and "the ring tempts you"
it's a "field effect" essentially like day/night, becoming the monarch etc.
they trigger special cards basically
It's for Planechase, which they're now trying to push as part of Commander (these cards are from commander precons and not legal in standard).
Basically triggers an effect dependent on your current plane
classic WotC, get a fanmade format and rape it until everyone stop playing it
It's a good thing. Commander is a casual frickaround format and planechase just adds to it. Nobody plays anything other than commander anymore except for a rare few playing modern and planechase cards aren't going to frick it up, if anything overpowered cards like one ring, orcish bowmasters, dockside, thoracle, and nardole will be the thing that pushes people away (and even then most people will just rule 0 those cards out of their groups)
wotc has been raping commander for a while now
israelite lotus isn't that bad, if someone israelite lotuses their commander out just remove it and watch them b***h that they now have to wait 4+ more turns to get it back
Jeweled Lotus is actively bad in any deck where you're not winning the moment you play your commander or your commander has some way to bring it back
yeah bro, turn 2 Narset is a bad play, right bro?
Yeah turning narset into a "target player discards a board wipe" is pretty bad.
>X is bad because it dies to toxic deluge
shit, why is time walk even banned? it loses to pyroblast so it isn't a problem.
If time walk didn't work whenever one of your 3 opponents had any edict effect, any counterspell, or any board wipe and you had exactly israeliteeled lotus and sol ring, then it wouldn't be that good, no.
Also nice job specifically picking one of the commanders I explicitly mentioned in my post.
Nta, but going turn 1
>Swamp, Dark Rit, Lotus, cast my 6 cmc commander
Sounds like a pretty good turn 1 play
>Also nice job specifically picking one of the commanders I explicitly mentioned in my post.
?? Narset neither wins immediately upon being played nor has any kind of revival effect. if you're using israeliteeled lotus to turbo her out you aren't going to have a haste enabler so she won't do anything for a full turn.
thank god
I've said for years that planechase should be the default way to play the game because you are PLANESWALKERS battling to the death so it makes sense that you would be able to PLANESWALK during the game
more like
Wait these aren't custom cards?
No, they're from a set of Dr. Who commander decks that are going to be released soon.
>Dr. Who MTG set
behead wotc in minecraft
what are some actually good digital card games? Ive only ever really played slay the spire and mtg irl
monster train is like slay the spire
Try Card Quest. It's really simple graphically, but cheap, and it isn't just indie deckbuilder #6758.
Legends of Runeterra for their Path of Champions gamemode where you play PVE and snowball out of control stacking effects on top of effects on cards.
I like Runeterra's single player mode but some of the decks are total ass. Like complete dogshit borderline unplayable unless you upgrade them with shards to get your broken hero powers, which you need to grind. The game is free though so it's not that bad, and if you get frustrated you can just switch to Jinx and steamroll everything.
I get that the whole point of the mode is a roguelite but I wish I could use the cards I pulled in the main game to make my own starter decks. That would probably make it too easy though.
>yugioh vehemently does not allow card draw in almost any capacity
>combo tutoring your entire deck onto the table on the first turn is fine though
lol
I've always thought Nintendo should revisit Pokémon TCG as a video game concept but most of the mechanics haven't changed in years beyond one-off gimmicks and a meta that makes older cards worthless.
I mean there are pokemon TCG games if thats what you mean.
Personally I miss the days of where every digital TCG port was an adventure game in which you fought people for money to earn more cards.
I know Inscryption does it, but I want a full game thats just that without all the creepy pasta "meta" bullshit
you probably have 20 yugioh games until the ds era that is more or less this
I know exactly what you mean. It was great fun to be able to start with a shitty deck, earn money/cards, play against in-universe characters, etc. For YGO this also typically meant voice acting, animated cards or effects, etc.
I think we're past that point because franchises now realize that they can just make a clone of the TCG, put it online, have playing against other players be the only form of real content and then charge you to buy the cards again digitally alongside the physical cards
>I mean there are pokemon TCG games if thats what you mean.
>Personally I miss the days of where every digital TCG port was an adventure game in which you fought people for money to earn more cards.
Well yeah. I am aware that there is some sort of Pokémon TCG game Nintendo put together circa 2012-ish. Well, I'm specifically talking about the actual game part of the TCG, where you went around the world, battling people, winning cards to improve your deck (the deck you started out with in the Game Boy game was hot garbage but that was kind of the point), with great music. No purchase required.
I would take a remake of the original TCG game with better graphics, being able to use the gimmick Pokémon Powers (Base Electrode, Fossil Ditto), and an AI that's not braindead. (There were so many times that where, absent from being able to attack, your opponents did nothing.)
The Pokemon TCG actually had a Japan-only sequel that's infinitely better than the first. There's a full translation patch available.
Duel Masters had four different games that play identically to that as well.
https://github.com/Card-Forge/forge
Here's a fan-made MTG client that has an adventure mode. It's pretty simple, though.
>The Pokemon TCG actually had a Japan-only sequel that's infinitely better than the first.
I did play it. It didn't feel as well-paced and the endless "rules-based" games toward the end got tiring. Plus it didn't fix some of the existing mechanics flaws of the first.
try mtg forge
get the latest release https://github.com/Card-Forge/forge/releases and unzip the tar.bz2
its a single player simulator of magic the gathering with many different game modes
in adventure mode you start with a basic deck and get more cards by fighting enemies or buying from shops in towns
it has some issues though since the entire card pool is available so a lot of the cards you find are useless and powercrept compared to the newest cards
the most memorable moment was when i was fighting a boss that summons a random creature from my deck to his board every turn so i built a deck with 1 creature in it that loses the game after 4 turns pass
Sounds like your archfiend of drossed him, pretty funny.
yeah it was archfiend of the dross!
there were better cards for cheesing the fight like leveler, but i couldnt find them
What features would you like to see in this sort of game?
I'm currently working on a small TCG adventure.
Basically just a clone off what others have mentioned ITT. Run around, earn money, buy better cards to earn more money, have tournaments or bosses or something you need to work towards to "win".
Probably somethin like Sacred Cards. Being able to actually walk around the world, growing with your friends n shit collecting cards with a neat story
NTA but give us the ability to make varied decks. Balance is hard and there will always be one figured out meta deck that beats every CPU, but if I want to spend hours grinding gold to make a shitty ass mill deck or whatever I should be able to. Also add achievements for morons like me who go for that shit.
no reason to save obsolete garbage genres
A good start would be to not use anything related to an franchise(in this case Doctor Who) that had an nadir fall in quality over the past decade.
Stop copying MTG
Please
I'm begging you
Hearthstone, Shadowverse, Legends of Runeterra
EVERY FRICKING WESTERN TCG just apes MTG
Copy Yugioh
Copy Vanguard
fricking anything other than Magic the Fricking Gathering
Look at any successful TCG that's come out in the past half decade: Flesh and Blood, Digimon, DBZ
NONE of them copy MTG
digimon and dbz just copy duel masters instead
flesh and blood is barely successful and probably can't sustain itself
Digimon feels pretty different thanks to the digi evolution and memory system to he fair.
DBS and One Piece are very much DM but X which at the end of the day really is just MTG but X.
That being said One Piece is a series that I enjoy a lot so it's the game I play the most
But seriously why hasn't anyone copied Yugioh yet? Surely an all gas TCG with no "sit and wait for mana" mechanics would do well among impatient zoomers?
It doesnt.
YGO has the advantage of, like magic, being old as frick.
That allows it a special place in the gaming industry that ni subsequent game can have.
For magic is the land resource for YGO is the overall pace and structure of the game.
>But seriously why hasn't anyone copied Yugioh yet?
Because the people with enough creative ingenuity are using their brains to make something original.
Meanwhile the copytards aren't intelligent enough to copy anything more complex than play land pass.
>Game lets you summon Satan into battle.
>demon
>not alien devil
they had one fricking job
This at least looks like a real MTG card.
There's a few you could probably sneak into an MTG deck and no one would bat an eye at the art
Shame about the other 98%. I had no issue with D&D or LOTR universe beyond because both of them fit into the setting fine. All this new shit like doctor who and fallout are not things I'm a fan of.
>3/4 do nothing for 4
>has to spend 2 and tap and sac creatures just to get a pittance of card draw
>doesn't even get vigilance to maybe be sort of useful with its tap ability
What the frick were they thinking?
NOT A DAGGER A SPEAR, MY LADY SHAR'S SPEAR
i wish mtg (and card games in general) werent so fricking israeli
paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars for the equivalent of ONE single character in another game is just ridiculous
Just play it for free
>proxy cards if playing irl
>play on wieneratrice or tts if playing online
>don't even look at mtgo or mtga
It's that simple.
ive tried wieneratrice it feels like shit to play compared to even mtgo and mtga blows them both out of the water
alright, use tabletop sim then
Yeah its pretty dumb, imagine having to pay 300 USD for the queen because she's the strongest piece after all.
Anon, the cards that cost hundreds are the ones that the company hasn't reprinted since the mid-90s. They make zero money off of refusing to reprint cards which is one of the arguments people use to try to convince them to change course.
im talking about full decks
Sheoldred is currently pushing $90.
The One Ring is pushing $70.
That's each. Meta decks can run four of both.
There have historically absolutely been contemporary currently-in-print cards worth well into the hundreds of dollars.
I remember people at my locals paying $200 a pop for Dracossacks, Rescue Rabbits, Tour Guides, Dark Armed Dragons, etc.
Play single player card games.
I hate this crossover shit but Cybermen just being Morph creatures is a flavor win at least
>get the urge to replay mtg
>open up /tg/ and browse the mtg threads
>remember how fricking shit the game is
>slowly lose the will to play but its still there
this fricking sucks tbqh famalam
been encountering these 200+ card decks in ranked recently. They have gimmick bullshit like random red aggro into 5 color. What's even more annoying is that they somehow have all the shit necessary to outplay my draws. Is this some AI bullshit WoTG has for some SBMM implementation in ladder?
Maybe they're playing Battle of Wits.
Nah this is Standard ranked which makes it even more kookoo.
>game removes druids and shaman to be more inclusive
This still isn't actually a thing. It was a thing Mark Rosewater offhandedly mentioned as them talking about, but I'm almost sure they're too resonant to remove and there's no good replacements.
druids will probably stay because WOTC/Hasbro won't want to rename the D&D class
Shaman's 100% gettin the boot
funny thing is "Shaman" was the type they used for D&D Sorcerers in Mtg.
Wait this shitstorm is all based on some dumbass Ask Maro response? Dude's a corporate flack, nothing he says carries any weight. Literally the most recent Standard set was headlined by three powerful witches.
Reminder that months after them saying this and edhrec following suit to virtue signal, they printed bitterblossom in WOE which explicitly has the "tribal" type
Tribal's just a card type, they're not gonna change the name of that especially considering it's not an actual card type they use anymore. It's moreso that there's just one incidental card (Bitterblossom) that's very desirable that's also a Tribla card. Internally they've switched from the term "tribal" to "typal" (temporarily because they know it's not a great term) but they've had no issues with people calling things tribal mechanics or decks.
>they're not gonna change the name of that
They can and have errata'd cards to change their typings and/or the names of types as necessary. See the amount of "Hounds" that are actually Dogs, the absolute shit ton of obsolete creature types from classic, the Phyrexians from pre-DMU that didn't have the phyrexian type until then
That's different. That's changing a creature type in a broad thing for something still in use (and was also something actively fought over internally about whether it should be Dog or Hound, and somehow it was Hound for a long while). Tribal is a card type like Creature or Sorcery. It's a defunct type that they don't make any more of, so there's no reason to actually change it. The only reason it'd show up in the future is for other Bitterblossom reprints because literally no other Tribal card really matters. The Phyrexian one I don't understand why that took so long to be honest.
>That's different.
It literally is not but okay
Tribal was honestly a dumb mistake in the first place. It's a card type that can't exist by itself for starters, which should logically make it a supertype, but it isn't.
WHERE IS THE DRUID?
WE WUZ ROONIN
I thought "That can't be true they released a with in the newest set."
Why do I even doubt bad things anymore...
Witches haven't been Witches since 2007, bro
It isn't new
Witch was only ever a creature type on a single thing anyway. Most Witch creatures were just Wizard type.
>moved away from using "witch" as a creature type because of its religious connotations
Might as well remove angel, demon and god as creature types then as well.
these secret lair sets are ruining commander. i don't want to bolt doctor who, chun-li, or negan
I do. Just imagine the scream Chun-Li lets out as she gets reduced to ash from a lightning bolt - Good stuff.
Just make your own cards
that titus mede is absurd
also the wording is really bad on all of them
also why the frick is ulfric izzet instead of... idk gruul, temur or abzan
Nords are mainly red or white if they're Stormcloak or Imperial with a splash of blue.
this all seems really dumb to me but you know what, as long as you and your mates enjoy them i guess
You haven't even seen Thu'um cards yet.
I do this too but I really hate MSE with the new card styles. The flavor text always gets covered up by the P/T box.
You just gotta format it until it fits.
>White-Gold Concordat
That's a busted-ass card that would only have been printed in like the first five years of Magic.
It's ludo is what it is.
>LDB working off of +1 counters instead of experience counters
enjoy getting cucked by removal lol
Getting cucked by removal is a tale as old as time.
>shittier glacial chasm
nah, busted in a theoretical standard rotation? Probably. But not in eternal formats
There's a difference between "you take no damage" and "nobody can actually do combat at all". It also just randomly gives you Treasure for no reason.
The only difference is that it doesn't get hosed by Questing Beast
>forgets its a 5 mana enchant
if it were 3 it would be busted but anything at 5 mana is unplayable since 2019
>gives Treasure for no reason
Flavour is the reason
>That's a busted-ass card
Maybe in modern standard which is all about turning creatures sideways, but "fog for two turns for 5 mana and make two treasure tokens over two turns" is complete shit. The only place that card would see play would be in proliferate decks in EDH.
>You just gotta format it until it fits.
Yeah that's what I do with regular cards, but MSE can't format the little flavor text divider properly. For example, if I add a line break or some spaces so that Gehrman's flavor text doesn't clip the box, it ends up like this.
Oh try using MTG Design.
Ehhh I like being able to save them locally. I'll give it a try though.
I like this one.
Thanks, that's my favorite of my custom cards too.
Idk how much insight it takes but this seems pretty busted. Gehrman should probably be a 0/3 wall and the back side shouldn't be nearly that powerful. In the late game it's always coming down flipped.
I'd have it be reach, lifelink, and menace as a 4/4 instead.
Like all busted aristocrat cards you need a sac outlet to trigger it and it dies to bolt. Though I don't try too hard to balance my custom cards since there's no way to do it effectively without playtesting.
MPC to create proxies and gimmick things is always fun.
by playing a fricking good simulator
I'm upset how good the simulator and gameplay actually is. The OST is great and the selectable half fields are cool. But then it's all bogged down by how trash yugioh is. Modern duel links feels better than whatever bs is happening in master duel. I even like Rush duels more than it and it makes me wonder how regular yugioh would have been if it was made with draw 5 a turn in mind.
Yugioh is garbage.
>sim where you dont have to grind eons for mutiple currency's to make a deck
> pay piggies just by field zones and pets to keep the game afloat
> pretty easy to make multiple decks
of course mtggays who take constant abuse from wizards would object
This doesn't change how shit it is to actually try to play yugioh thoughever.
I would disagree and say the secret pack system is utter garbage. You can't make any semi new decks anymore because those komunny cucks don't make new secret packs for the new archetypes. The last one was like Albaz or some shit a year ago. So if an arcetype's featured pack rotates out when you weren't playing then you're fricked. Like if you wanted to get Dinomorphia for memes, your only choice is spending all your dust for a supbar deck
I'm upset how good the simulator and gameplay actually is. The OST is great and the selectable half fields are cool. But then it's all bogged down by how trash yugioh is. Modern duel links feels better than whatever bs is happening in master duel. I even like Rush duels more than it and it makes me wonder how regular yugioh would have been if it was made with draw 5 a turn in mind.
I love this lil homie like you wouldn't believe.
This seems busted if you can give it death touch.
You mean like every single pinger in the game?
He can't even ping faces or planeswalkers.
>play this guy
>get archenemy'd
>the superfriends gay pops off and demolishes the table before half of them get their commanders out because they burned all their removal already
Why does this funny little archer cause so much ire?
because experience counters are an uninteractable scaling effect attached to the player that multiple cards key off of. every marginal amount of incremental value is something that the the other players can never reset. Its roughly the equivalent of ramping to 20 lands and then wondering why people are targeting you - because people dont want to wait to see you cast the actual payoff.
>posts commandertards will never understand
nobody ever chimps out at the meren, ezuri, or mizzix players thoughever
>experience counters are an uninteractable-
*blocks your path*
>cleric can remove poison counters from opponents, but not you
what kind of shit design is this?
post your favorite commander
LETS GOOOOOOO
He's nice and cheap and I like the risk/reward aspect 🙂
my eternal bro
Are you a bad enough dude to not cast permanents?
What fricking pansy ass shit is this. You gotta cast artifacts with real chest hair.
Yes, because it's piss easy to do everything necessary to keep a cohesive game plan and protect it with just instants and sorceries
It's fun being the hate magnet for the table until they realize I'm just running Angel tribal.
I missed out on all the Avacyn AI art I could've made...
Tipal* Can't say tribal anymore, grandpa.
You can still say tribal. WOTC doesn't care. They just don't say it internally in documentation and design stuff. It's not like it's an actual term that appears on the actual cards (the defunct Tribal card type aside).
I will personally send you to hospital if you use that problematic nomenclature at my LGS to my face, chud.
wotc themselves still print it on cards, morono it's just maro talking out of his ass like usual
he makes my counterspell loving friend seethe every time I play him
How easy it is to break this thing, do you often become archenemy? Or are people too busy goading themselves to try and ramp?
>How easy it is to break this thing
It has a built in infinite if you're at the discard step and you have lands in hand.
I love this little homie like you wouldn't believe
Is there any way to play him other than impact tremors tribal?
I've not really found anything that's particularly good, there's some funny stuff you can do though. This and Altar of the Brood are good in the sense that they piss everyone at the table off.
Red Deck Does a Chaos is pretty fun
Chaos is kinda gay but I just like the Norin because he's a funny fella who runs away. Speaking of funny fellas, this guy is also fun. He's dogshit but fun.
I've never played a game after casting Scrambleverse.
feet
I love how Gisa is just constantly the one character who's just always enjoying herself on Innistrad regardless of how fricked-up shit's getting. Her and her brother in March of the Machine were literally just bonding over beating the crap out of Phyrexians.
In defence of phyrexians, the last two seasons were made with the singular goal of making them job to everyone.
Oh I don't really care too much that the Phyrexians ate shit when they actually invaded the multiverse (it makes some sort of sense that a lot of places would beat them back, they only succeeded prior with subterfuge and sleeper agents, the moment they go to all-out war they're just not good enough, depending on the plane) I was just making an observation of one of the more enjoyable story moments from MOM. It didn't have many of those.
>commanderqueers already itt
>already recognize nigs from the edh general on /tg/
hello anon 🙂
Thoughts?
>tap 5 legendary lands to win the game
Great design bud
thanks! I learn from the best!
ludo
>t1 any legendary land, any legendary 1 drop, mox amber, any legendary 1 or 0 drop
>t2 legendary land, elder scroll, twiddle elder scroll
>win game
Nice card
>twiddle
It has shroud
>exclusively play historic meme decks
>only watch lsv for vintage cube or bosh for legacy
>another homosexual set in a row kills my interest a little bit more
Lotr set was the best set in years, but goddamn they need to quit with this shit. Who on earth will care about the assassins creed set? Ive already stopped watched my nibba seth play against the odds. Its going to kill all of my interest.
post ashlizzie nudes
The Assassin's Creed thing isn't even a real set. It's gonna be sized the same as March of the Machine: Aftermath, which had only 50 new cards. So, like, who's that even for? You can't even draft it.
I'm personally waiting for the final fantasy set if only so I can have Squall as a commander
I just finished Inscryption and now I'm sold on the genre. I never really played card games outside of some Yu-Gi-Oh Gameboy advanced titles. I've recently finished slay the spire and monster train too. I'm fricking I'm love with all this and I don't have any nostalgia wearing me down. Right now I'm enjoying league's path of champion mode and Hearthstone's mercenary mode. I want to learn more of what's out there in the card game ecosystem though. I've had shadowverse installed on my phone for months untouched and I keep hearing about marvel snap but the 6 turn limit feels suffocating.
LoR is my personal favorite singleplayer card game and slay the spire is a great roguelite card game
if you want another phone game then dungeon tales is like a chinese knockoff slay the spire and actually pretty good
I'll check it out, thanks! Installed it right now.
enjoy! remember: its a card game, you want to keep your deck size small
So anon.... how about you play a turn-based game, while I play a real time combo movie?
>MTG:Arena still doesn't have EDH even though it's objectively more fun than Standard 1v1 games
edh is by far the shittiest format in mtg currently
>t. played it since 2014
Try playing with friends and not turbotryhards
they all quit because mtg sucks shit
also if a game needs to be played only with friends in order for it to be fun, then its a shit game
A game like EDH relies on diplomacy and player negotiation/communication, good luck doing that with random homosexuals online. Same reason Hearts of Iron IV multiplayer is a hellscape.
It will never have it, because they are idiots.
It has Historic Brawl which is just EDH but with 25 life instead of 40. Also everyone playing it is a moron who can't read cards and doesn't know how to play the game.
t. someone who literally gets to eat creatures for free every single game because people don't read Chromium and realize he has flash.
>Chromium enjoyer
Yeah, I'm thinking based. I never saw anybody else play him while he was still in Standard in Arena either.
He's kinda shit but I play esper board wipe and removal tribal and none of the esper commanders particularly care about that. Saruman or the lifegain one are probably better but I like having an actual Elder Dragon as my commander. Then he ended up being the best possible pick for my deck since he's a decent finisher and Arenatards don't know he has flash and don't know about his hexproof ability and don't know you can't use said ability after blocking/being blocked because they can't read.
>boardwipe tribal
*blocks your path*
Most of my good planeswalkers are blue. Also
>playing creatures in a boardwipe deck
Yes, playing creatures in a boardwipe deck, because for 2 mana + command tax, you can make symmetrical boardwipes asymmetrical and then win because you have a developed board and nobody else does.
I play plenty of them in my aristocrats. 2 blood artist effects can potentially turn your wrath into a "kill the rest of the table" spell.
thats pretty much how I play too. Funnily enough farewell is super good in that deck because you can wipe everything and then follow up the next turn with him to start beating face. Hes also super good with anything that gives him infect
>other human beings itt have used chromium
I thought I was the only one who ever played with him. I used him a lot in standard esper control. Eventually made an edh deck with him at the head and hes been my fav ever since, although he is really fricking bad
My deck basically revolved around stacking him with legendary equipment + lifelink and making him even more unkillable, it didn't seem bad at all.
>>>>>>7 mana
>in 2023
hes fricking bad, even for a casual table
>doesn't have 7 mana by turn 3
metal gear set when?
Considering konami is probably ready to prostitute out the IP at a moment's notice these days, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised.
>play exalted deeds + mutavault in historic
>no win cons
>just have book and shit to turn off any potential land destruction
>never roped
>boot up my budget outdated piece of shit RDWs deck from a year or two ago
>roped every game
>FF set has "Assemble your party" on its legendary creatures which lets you have 4 different commanders
Almost certainly not. Also I'm convinced the FF villains will be transforming cards for the most part to represent them going into their final form (Sephiroth goes One-Winged Angel, etc.)
you will embrace the 96 card mainboard and you will enjoy it
The FF set is a draft set like LOTR, not Commander precons (at least not JUST them, it will still have them like LOTR).
>draft set
thats exactly why it will have a new partner mechanic, all commander draft sets do. and also a perfect opportunity to break the format further.
It's not a Commander draft set. It's just a draft set.
>ff
>series entirely carried by recognisable characters and locations
>not being a commander set when they're pushing commander+planechase harder than ever
pure delusion
You already know that they confirmed it to be a straight-to-modern set like LTR. You're just shitposting.
They've literally said it's a set like LOTR. LOTR had a legendaries matter theme because it had the most legendaries of any set ever. It still wasn't a Commander set.
Sure, it's set up to be ideal for commander shit, but it's a full-blown set like LotR is.
make them for smooth brains, easier to understand games don't have as much of a balancing problem
>face down
For what purpose? They know what it is. You know what it is.
Also, frick Magic. I spent probably over 500 hours of my life playing Arena and I regret every single second. I fricking hate that game.
bring back arg games
ATTENTION STANDART PLAYERS - NO CHANGES FOREVER. SHELLY IS NOW STANDARD PLAYABLE UNTIL THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE
don't worry, he'll be unplayable once the next power creeped set is released, gotta sell more pushed mythics!
Greetings, Im the beginning of the end.
Less than 30 hours for HIM to join MD and stomp furshit and dragonshit.
After the previous formats we've suffered through in MD, Arise Heart is nothing. The game's only been out like a year but people like me who were playing from the start know how bad it once was.
>herald of ultimateness loaded up with 6/7 negates
>set 5 eldlich (skill drain, TCBOO, io, emptiness, judgeman)
>DOUBLE satan dragon with chuche dodge
>ash the enchantress, imperm the halq... they ns o-lion
Good old master duel hell world
Dear Maro, why wotc sell cards to make money?
OKAY. I want to know old card games you frickers enjoyed. I currently have Yu-Gi-Oh forbidden memories loaded up into my emulator. I also have monster rancher battle card ready to go too.
Not a card game but this was god tier and I'm still mad the physical version flopped.
>Forbidden Memories
Learn how to fuse. Equip cards are your friend.
Japan got a device that let them farm a crazy amount of star chips that we didn't get, so anything vaguely iconic will cost 9999 (You get 5 per duel, at most) - western poverty mode is either farming Meteor Black Dragon from the fricking uhhhhh meadow mage, or just spamming Twin-headed thunder dragon fusion - you'll never guess what he's made out of.
>Monster Rancher Battle Card
I remember Golem being strong - Brow Hit was like, 3 guts (Cost) @ 5 damage; Chop 5 guts @ 8 damage unga bunga with few frills to his abilities. Pretty strong, considering that Dino has like, 8 hp lmao. I don't know the meta, and I imagine you're playing the ps1 version, but I always ran Golem/Naga/Dino in the GB game, and just beating everything to death with sheer offense.
the bakugon DS game
idk why but I liked it a lot
Once you complete Forbidden Memories move to Duelist of the Roses.
more an strategic auto battler than a tcg per se, but I really like it
Oh. I was so caught up giving an unprompted info-dump that i forgot to make a recommendation.
Digimon Digital Card Battle
Duelist of the Roses
Dark Duel Stories on the GBC is pretty primitive, but it had a pretty interesting card-creation mechanic that was pretty fun to figure out at the time souleater upper body, rex lower body for 2000/2000 4*
It's a generic extra deck monster that can be summoned pretty easily, modest body @ 2500 atk, that can provide some okay protection for your field - it was a negate, before negates got really out of hand, and a layer of protection the opponent would need to address, before they started blowing up other stuff. I'd say the cards you mentioned are pretty good comparisons.
I wouldn't really say it influenced the meta too strongly or anything, but it was the 5ds (Third gen ygo series) MC's boss monster, so it got a lot of attention.
How do Yugioh players stomach the game with the amoung of 1TK combo and control decks floating around? It's like playing MTG Vintage but somehow worse.
Go ask the Yu-Gi-Oh! general up on Ganker 24/7 and go get your cope replies there. You'll see they're all just anime nostalgia that they can't let go of.
Yugioh is the Marvel 2/3 of card games. You either like that or you don't.
I usually play in a more casual setting, with archetypes that I like - stuff like fossils, wights, vampires, vendreads, ancient gears, etc.
CPU, friends, etc - not too fond of competitive stuff, because it can get way too sweaty at higher levels, and the stress of potentially de-ranking is enough to turn me off.
I completely dropped yugioh when they introduced synchro summons. Felt like the game I loved changed in a direction I didn't like.
I got into MtG after realizing I played one of their Duels of the Planeswalkers games as a kid without realizing it was MtG. It is worth noting that I never got into paper magic unlike yugioh.
Had a great time fricking around with DotP mods then swapped to Xmage when I realized I could play commander vs ai with decks I made for them.
Eh, you get used to all the mess after a while if you stick with it.
You learn how the most common decks work, you learn how your own deck fares up against them, how to properly build a deck that won't die goind second, how most unintuitive rulings work, how to play around handtraps, how to identify when you don't have to play around handtraps, how to read the opponent's hand, where to hit combo lines and so on and so forth.
It's like fighting game homies, at first it seems like an insurmountable prospect but as you play you get the hang of it.
>Konami made a deck based on the Chinese Zodiac
>Two of the members are permanently unplayable because you made them too strong
>You can never play a full Zodiac deck ever
How embarrassing
Realistically, zoos are long past their prime and could all come back to 3 since norden is banned. They just don't do enough in today's game.
>normal summon reliant one card combo archetype that dies to nibiru and ends on not broken stuff
That's prank kids and live twin.
It's time to return to good times
>saltshakers for the life total symbol
>"© BBC"
>Missy
They missed their chance to resurrect the Rani
whichever anon brought up Duel Masters multiple times in this thread can frick off. you made me remember how fricking KINO that game was and seethe that I will never EVER be able to play it because they hoard that shit for chinks forever now. My childhood card game and Im stuck playing the dogshit PS2 game
Too many crossovers have made MTG shit. It used to feel like its own thing. Now it's just pop culture the tcg. It's become the funko pops of card games.
The morons running it want to bleed it dry before giving up on it. They probably aren't too happy with how high of expectations the player base has on them. Never forget 30th anniversary.
>standard/modern slop
Just play paper with friends, that's how the game was meant to be played and it still holds up in that capacity.
Most my paper friends play commander. The really hardcore ones are into shit like vintage cubed and modern cubed. It's best to just play shit that everyone can do. Like drafting.
cube is based
you will get wrecked until you learn the synergies but the end result is drafting without having to pay for new packs
While I agree I still feel like it should ban power nine (and mana crypt and possibly even sol ring).
vintage is like melee
it's fun because it's fast and there's a lot of broken shit
instead of complaining about balance, lean into it and just have fun playing card games with your friends
Drafting will always be less fun if their is a clear choice. Why take anything other than that overpowered shit? At what point is it just flowcharting until you end up in 1 of X possible meta flavored decks?
>Why take anything other than that overpowered shit?
if you've already figured out what your deck is going to do and there's something that suits your gameplan better in the pack
if i'm playing e.g. blue artifacts I will take tinker over a mox every time
same for jund control and yawgmoth's will
>At what point is it just flowcharting until you end up in 1 of X possible meta flavored decks?
depends strongly on how tuned the cube/set is around specific playstyles, some lists are pretty questionable in this regard
with a linear enough cube it can feel like the drafting is just a formality and you'd be better off just splitting the archetypes into card pools for players to build decks around, but we should assume your friends aren't drooling morons
Thing thing about playing one particular style and seeing a mox is that their IS a chance for the bomb card to wheel. You will NEVER see a mox wheel. And if you are so deep in a draft that you have a archetype for your deck, chances are that nobody else has it because you've plucked all those cards.
still a risk/reward decision
if it doesn't wheel, you've got mana but lack that tasty piece of cardboard to spend it on
This will always be the moronic take, with no definite rules on what card you are allowed to use it ALWAYS ends in an arms race.
Why do so many SEAs win every japanese tcg? Is it because there is so many or are they all cheating lil shits?
how long until mtg starts printing hot girls again
Last set.
>her reflection in her mirror collar thing
OH NO NO NO NO NO
did you miss our bro beknotted sight?
and OUR GIRL rootrider faun (you dork)?
>MD style client
are you saying this as a good thing or bad thing? because MD client is fricking god awful. I assume you havent played MD if you think that client is good with its for-mobile design
>But its taking them a dog's age to port even a single set of cards because of how many new ones they have to code.
which is why they need to not do alchemy and not waste time with "historic anthology".
> they're Frankenstein sets that are two sets of cards condensed into one,
this literally does not matter when the core of every set is limited reprints like Duress or another bolt. If you already have the code for Shock/Bolt then dont pretend like adding Fire Dart into the mix is a herculean task. its copy and paste. same for fight spells. same for board wipes, same for cantrips.
>this literally does not matter when the core of every set is limited reprints like Duress or another bolt. If you already have the code for Shock/Bolt then dont pretend like adding Fire Dart into the mix is a herculean task. its copy and paste. same for fight spells. same for board wipes, same for cantrips.
The problem isn't that they're omitting limited draft chaff, its that some cards that actually see real play in pioneer did not make it into some of these remastered sets as a result not not everything being there. Bare in mind I'm not making excuses for the team, just saying what's come straight for the horses mouth. They have admitted they're behind.
is Arena worth it? ever since I dropped Genchink I need something with dailies
frick no stay away from that shit
any specific reason?
its like league of legends but instead of being digital crack its just digital suffering
this is Ganker everything is le shit and all video games are le bad because unchecked angst pessimism and I am RAEG guy. Arena is fine, If you arent into looking at the microsoft excel sheet that is MGO this is your only alternative and its honestly a 6.5/10 alternative imo. Its not AWFUL but theres some things holding it back from true greatness the most obvious of which is you dont get to play with every single card in the game. just a fraction of them but if you want just a kind of Pioneer/Standard simulator or just a place to run some drafts MTGA has your back.
Be warned though, the game is driven by a skeleton crew who only do the bare minimum to upload new standard sets as they come out on a the 2-3month periods. nothing more, nothing less. If you are okay with that then go ahead.
arena is a genuinely awful game get your head out of your ass
yeah and why is that? because they didnt add your favorite set? or is it because "herr shuffler is un rigged! eye draw only ze lands!"
shuffler is objectively, provably rigged
i can smell the boot leather on your breath
>provably rigged opening hands with hand smoothing (see people running 3 land decks and then getting 2 lands in every opening hand)
>formats in it suck fricking dick
>god awful grind wall further exasberated by the wiener and ball torture that is trying to get wins with a shitty half finished deck due to lack of wild cards
>rigged matchmaking for BO1
>daily missions suck ass
>frick tons of bots meant to pad games
The main issue with arenas are
>no multiplayer
>this means you either have to play 1v1 commander (autistic)
>or play standard (garbage)
>or play Historic, which is just modern but somehow even less fun
There is genuinely no reason to play Arena when both Untap.in and wieneratrice are free and have players. Untap.in in particular uses a coin system that gives your deck a coin rating based mainly on its price but also competitiveness too, allowing lobbies to be locked to a specific coin level maximum for budget games or just to avoid the biggest cancers
arena is bad, they made it bad on purpose to shut up people asking for a digital version and not to cannibalize the physical sales
>they made it bad on purpose
Im more inclined to believe the clueless boomers behind it still dont understand whats needed to make a successful online magic game and refused to give the proper budget to the people behind it because they had a lapse of faith from what happened during magic duels. Its a slow learning process but it seems like every instance of online magic gets a few things right then a few things wrong and they just keep iterating from there. Arena is just the lastest model. Its Bigger. Its Badder. But is it too much for Mr . Incredible to handle? nah. next iteration in a decade probably.
So wait do they make you rebuy all your cards with each new game? And it's happened four times already? Why would people keep falling for this?
Duels of the Planeswalkers was a onboarding game that featured pre-con decks vs Pre-con decks ONLY. you had a handful of them to choose from and you played vs other players. very popular.
Magic duels is literally the precursor to Magic Arena. it was WoTC for the first time saying "no precons, just buy cards and build a deck' the microtrasactions were SO AWFUL though the game choked to death. MTGA is the latest and they made DAMN SURE to make acquiring cards easier this time around and kept the expensive purchases locked to cosmetics. Duels walked so Arena could run as the zoomers say.
>The non-canon comics did more with Jace and Vraska than anything except Ixalan ever did in canon
Shit sucks.
the only daily I do is a daily Total Warhammer campaign
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
STAY
AWAY
it is somehow more exploitative and miserly than even the worst gachas
go out and mow your lawn for dailies
its alright for drafts if your local doesn't have a good limited scene, otherwise no
MTG is one step away from getting a Marvel or Star Wars or other Disneyshit set and it's really disappointing.
I fully expect them to release a Dr. Strange planeswalker either this year or next year to test the waters then we'll get a full Disney sponsored set if it's well-received
Hasbro must be desperate for money given all the sponsored sets and secret lairs already out
I don't think they're necessarily desperate, they've just realized collectors and people who treat MTG like the stock market spends loadsamoney and are now pandering to that market
how long until it goes the comics in the 80s way? in other words, how long until collectors get fed up that they only print more random collector shit and stop buying
it's already happening
>treat MTG like the stock market spends loadsamoney and are now pandering to that market
lol.
Yeah, they're leaning into the speculative market with shit like serialized cards, but at the same time, the massive amounts of (re)printing, and the rapid-fire sets have caused the price of singles to go down. Troll & Toad is pretty sketchy as a site, but they recently discontinued listing MTG stock, and listed lack of confidence in the product as one of the reasons - they really didn't like the 30th anniversary, and they're worried wotc might reprint those eventually.
SW and marvel are owned by disney and they have their own card game. No way are the mouse mafia, the company that sues childrens hospitals for breach of copyright, sharing their IPs with their biggest and most direct competitor.
The only people buying the Disney card game are the richest and whitest of Disney freaks who can afford it, nobody is playing that shit or casually collecting it like MTG
>they have their own card game.
how is that going btw? I never seen anyone talk about it
The rarest cards have absurd reselling prices but I don't see anyone actually buying the cards for those prices. Certainly no one playing it
we'll let you know when it's actually buyable by people who aren't resellers
Game itself is pretty good. I have a friend and my brother that plays the game with me. The biggest problem is actually trying to find the cards and boosters. Restocks sell out within seconds online, and within an hour or two in stores. The only stores I've seen have boosters after the initial launch are the smelly 2nd hand shops that only sell them if you join their league. I just want to play casually with my friend and brother, so now we have to hope my brother finds them since he lives in bumfrick farmer county where there are no nerds within 20-30 miles.
Gisnep already has their own TCG they're trying to shill. No idea how well it's doing.
I have literally never heard of a single person ever playing this, and I watch a lot of TCG videos. These are basically just cardboard funkopops for Disney fanatics or resellers banking on a profit down the line.
Where the everloving frick are the Chip & Dale cards?
uh...chip and dale shipping? holy BASED.
good taste anon
shut up baby, I know it.
I doubt that. probably just end it at the big Eldrazi fight since thats where the "gatewatch" officially formed . the premier super heroes of the IP
>probably just end it at the big Eldrazi fight since thats where the "gatewatch" officially formed . the premier super heroes of the IP
Oh wonderful so we're going to start at the exact point where the MTG story took a huge nosedive and completely biffed their best antagonists in years.
>completely biffed their best antagonists in years.
uh..... Ob Nix?
I think people like the Eldrazi purely on an aesthetic level. Conceptually they're fine, but they're hardly antagonists. Emrakul had some clear agency but the other titans just felt like they were... 'There'. They were just big things. They didn't even go all that big on the more madness stuff that Lovecraftian stuff usually does, except for Emrakul but only really once.
I said "antagonists" and not "villains" for a reason anon, them NOT being another evil demon/dragon/etc. scheming about doing evil schemer things behind the scenes and just being huge frickoff eldritch horrors beyond comprehension with inscrutable motives and unstoppable power was the entire reason they were refreshing.
Then they die off one set after being introduced before they can even flesh anything about them out. At least they didn't frick up Emrakul too.
> but they're hardly antagonists
the main titans? no. but their spawn was absolutely wrecking the other sentients left and right. people getting calcified,impaled,distorted and worse.
Zendikar was absolutely a bloodbath but not because of the titans directly.
And then Zendikar Rising was like "haha that was a weird couple years, right? Anyway adventure". At least Innistrad I can buy being blase about it, horror is their deal, but Zendikar nearly fricking all died.
>zendikar gets raped by the roils because of the imprisoned titans
>they get released and frick everything up even more
>then they go on a happy go lucky adventure
>then they get raped by phyrexians
who on the writing team hates zendikar like damn?
>Now Nahiri has locked down the plane (somehow, don't question it) so planeswalkers can't get in
>Because reasons
>Nahiri while sparked: I love being a planeswalker!
>Nahri post desparking: KILL ALL PLANESWALKERS, I AM THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE PLANESWALKER QUESTION
weird character arc for her after she just got done being all
>I'll totally sacrifice myself to stop the phyrexians!
Nahiri's always been questionably written. She's fine when she's just on a vengeance spree, and I can buy her wanting to be like "frick it time to show these kids what I can do" when it came to Phyrexia, but she just sort of randomly went "actually frick Planeswalkers" after... Ajani tried to have a genuine conversation with her and she was like "OH FRICK HE'S HERE TO KILL ME", because Ajani, noted assassin, apparently.
Haha this fricking nerd cares about card game lore.
You're such a wanker.
Remember that time she swore eternal revenge on Sorin and unleashed the same eldritch horror that destroyed her home on his home, knowing it would then go to other planes to frick things up too, and then randomly stopped fighting him when they met on Ravnica because oh I guess Bolas is more important now? Good times
They literally didn't stop fighting, though? They ONLY fought each other on Ravnica and didn't care for Bolas at all.
In the shitty book they stop fighting when Gideon steps between them and tells them "hey stop and help us beat this dragon"
>He thinks the book is canon
I choose to believe the only things that happened in War of the Spark were Jace and Vraska fricked and then Gideon died after Liliana killed Bolas.
>Jace and Vraska fricked
About that...
our boy got in that snussy. dont even pretend otherwise.
He literally didn't in the book. In fact the book undoes all of Jace and Vraska's character development from Ixalan completely. Vraska becomes evil again and murders a bunch of people despite getting her memories back for no reason as soon as she shows up on Ravnica and Jace just simps for her a bit and then Vraska fricks off in the middle of all the fighting.
They do frick in Ixalan though.
And then they're just kinda apparently a thing by All Will Be One despite never seeing it happen so I just assume War is basically half-canon. What you see on the cards happened at least.
I'm pretty sure everybody including WOTC likes to ignore that WAR ever happened. The book was total dogshit and nobody was satisfied with anything that happened in it at all besides maybe Gideon's sacrifice. And even then that leaves a sour taste in the mouth because you just KNOW Wizards did it because they didn't want a straight "white" male as the lead character for the color.
hes greek thats blacker than a subsaharan african
I'm sure they felt that Gideon sacrificing himself to kickstart Liliana's character development was very much 'the thing' for him to do. The point was everybody else had given up on Liliana being worth saving, but Gideon went "no, I know she can be better".
Yeah, it was undoubtedly a good move. But their virtue signaling constantly gives it a very, very slightly bitter aftertaste if you think about it too long. Especially in the context of everything else that happened in that book at their behest being bafflingly moronic (EG pissing off all the dykes with the Chandra thing, killing off a fan favorite Planeswalker in an intentionally anticlimactic way, etc)
I'm positive that Gideon's sacrifice was an intended character beat a long while before it happened. Probably when they started writing him and Liliana interacting in Dominaria.
True, I do remember people speculating that we might get orzhov Liliana and/or Gideon.
Jace and Vraska are the only MIA compleated walkers as of now, so I choose to believe they're fricking (possibly as cyborgs, possibly not, who knows).
when Phyrexia got closed off all the Glistening oil went inert. even if you are compleated you shouldnt be affected by the mind control anymore. but uhhh goodluck with the pincerhands and robo-tentacle grafts.
I mean the MOM side-story about Vraska shows that Jace at least set up a sort of failsafe in her mind back on Ixalan and that helped her not be fully compleated I guess. Presumably the same happened for him but we don't know because he just left without a word in the first chapter to 'somewhere'. Maybe we'll see what the frick is up when Thunder Junction comes around, because we know Vraska's there at least. And Jace is probably not far behind. Cowboy Jace is probably a cool aesthetic.
I wanna say they'll frick it up but they made pirate Jace and pirate Vraska work. I hope they get the same writer that did Ixalan for it.
She DID write that one story for MOM, but I'm fairly sure she doesn't even work for Wizards anymore? Then again she left last year and that story was this year. Maybe they brought her back to write that because they realised "oh this person knows how Jace and Vraska work", maybe that was written before she left, I dunno.
Wasn't the entire point of the Oil that even if a single drop of it existed then Phyrexia still existed?
things change I guess
A card like that should have been 1B and an instant
>destroy target planeswalker or hydra for 1B at instant with a cantrip
I dunno about that.
Well, sort of? It's unclear. The oil was apparently modified so now it needs a controller, and that controller is now dead and also cut off from the rest of the multiverse.
Anon my friend if there is ONE thing that is certain in the entire magic cosmology, it's that if jace and vraska are currently unaccounted for, they are having extremely wild sex.
They sound like they should stop beating around the bush and frick already
I'm sure people ship it.
Then again I've seen somebody shipping Jace/Nahiri and I'm not entirely sure why.
>Emrakul mind controls Jace into some weird mental chess game
>ummm why don't the mortals welcome us??? this isn't le right???
>meanwhile this is what their spawn have been doing
was Emrakul moronic?
that was Ulamogs spawn. not Emrakuls. and this was before they decided that Emrakul had access to the MADNESS WAVELENGTHS soul power.
Ulamogs spawn did not frick around. Kozileks spawn we wierd and bit curious but Ulamogs really did just get in there and frick shit up.
why was ulamog such an butthole
The titans are primarily three separate things. Ulamog is brutality and destruction. Kozilek is distortion and space-breaking. Emrakul is madness and corruption.
Roid Rage and Hunger
he's bald so he gets no lovecraft pussy
From what I remember the Eldrazi are basically like the multiversal cleanup crew that break down dying planes so they can be recycled and born again.
>Ulamog destroys everything and reduces things to dust, so his spawn just go around kiling everybody and erasing things
>Kozilek unmakes the laws of reality that bind the plane so that they can be reshaped
>Emrakul does something that I forgot
>Emrakul does something that I forgot
Plants new life. Basically the reason for goblins, humans, Dragons, etc being on every realm. She's pretty much god
Yeah that's what I thought but I wasn't sure.
So basically Ulamog and Kozilek are the cleanup crew and Emrakul is the reshaper. Which is why she's the most able to be reasoned with of all the titans.
Was any of this actually confirmed? I feel like we just theorised this and it never actually mattered because the Eldrazi basically ceased to exist after Eldritch Moon. And Ugin's warning didn't matter at all I guess.
If not I hope they lean into it. Like killing Ulamog and Kozilek dead really fricked things up and planes all start decaying and accelerating the heat death of the multiverse because there's no more Eldrazi to keep things running anymore.
Probably more likely it'll just be "the Blind Eternities will spit out some new ones soon enough". Who fricking knows. The main villain seems to be Ashiok now, so I guess we won't know for a while.
Ashiok isnt a villain. he's kinda just a douche. He didnt CAUSE the sleep spell on Eldraine. he just went there to get his kicks and exploit the situation. He actually helped defeat the Phyrexians you know. hes more of a self serving chaotic neutral.
Ashiok's role in the WOE story suggests that there's some sort of 'thing' Ashiok is gathering other people for, given Eriette was brought away to 'somewhere' at the end of the story. So if it's not Ashiok, it's probably... I dunno, still-compleated Jace who knows.
Ulamog corrupts the mana, Kozilek consumes the corrupted mana, and Emrakul sows the seeds of new life upon the blank canvas
They each have different roles to remake worlds when they get there.
Ulamog levels everything for what's to come, Kozilek reworks reality a bit, and Emrakul leaves behind new life. Makes sense that Ula's would be the ones to wreck everything.
>Zendikar was absolutely a bloodbath but not because of the titans directly.
lmao what? Sea Gate got fricking nuked out of existence instantly just by Ulamog and Kozilek existing together near it. Ulamog wiped out an entire continent. (Until it got magically healed completely by lesbian elf)
How long until MaRo retires?
Do you think MaRo is anything but a puppet and a headpiece? do you think him retiring will accomplish anything?
genuine question. I always wonder whats the thought process behind people who aim their anger at the face of a team whos only job is literally public relations and inevitably getting rotten tomatoes thrown at them. killing the messenger never accomplishes anything.
>There is genuinely no reason to play Arena when both
I mean theres a very simple reason one would enjoy Arena over Tabletop Simulator, over wieneratrice and all those other sims but the reason would piss you off and send you into conniptions.
>no multiplayer
this is the biggest one but even if it did exist it would still have limited card pool so it wouldnt be as fun anyway. lack of social aspects is a huge one.
>which is just modern but somehow even less fun
agreed. so tired of getting Orcish bowmastered in Historic. this totally wouldnt be the case if we had Modern. then I could get Orcish Bowmastered AND Rakdos scammed! Not having Modern Horizons on MTGA is such a L
>I mean theres a very simple reason one would enjoy Arena over Tabletop Simulator, over wieneratrice and all those other sims but the reason would piss you off and send you into conniptions.
the only sensible argument you could even present is "muh polish" which is not as good of a reason as being able to use whatever cards you want play whatever format you want and actually play more than 1 on 1, but continue to shill like a good goy
You don't need Hearthstone graphics to enjoy and play a card game lmao
people don't NEED to buy luxury cars either, yet that's an entire industry
I'll let you figure out why.
Your argument is no different from saying
>why play videogames lol? when I was a kid my only toy was a doll made of sticks and strings!
Arena isn't particularly polished, either. At best it looks nice sometimes, but it runs like crap and is actively shit to play due to the backend
>he pays for virtual cards just because the board has enough pretty flashing colors to keep his zoomer brain occupied
lol
poorgay cope
I buy physical cards, you're just moronic for buying digital cards that are worth even less and will disappear when Arena's plug is pulled.
>he likes the Hearthstone tier card quips
underageb&
NO FIRE!....NO STEEL!
>the only sensible argument you could even present is "muh polish" which is not as good of a reason
see.
even you knew it deep down but its an aspect you fundamentally disagree with. yes yes. I know im a lesser subhuman and a utter shill for liking to see my walkers warp in and start spouting cheesy one liners like "THE IMMOLATION SENSATION IS HERE!"
I still find it weird how they actually have quite big names for the Planeswalker voicework. Fricking Billy Boyd is Will Kenrith for some reason.
>I am Urza, Planeswalker. Move.
"Defy me.... and you lose everything"
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I THOUGHT I WAS FIGHTING DRAGONS, WHEN I WAS REALLY FIGHTING ANTS!!!
These are all cringe. I don't need Marvel quip shit in my TCG thanks.
NOW DO YOU SEE the BENEFITS... of PEACE?
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god I hope the Netflix show is good
please don't set yourself up for disappointment like that
surely it will have the same animation quality they use in their cinematics right?
it will be an anime like their current trailers
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god I hope not. If there was ever a chance for them to resurge interest in Magic I feel like they have to nail it with a ARCANE tier show. Cyberpunk Netrunners also 180'd peoples interest in the games too huh?
comon WotC dont fricking fumble this. your IP is liquid gold. use it correctly.
What is the Netflix show even about? Do we know? I think I remember seeing that Gideon was gonna be a character, so maybe a sort of retelling of Gideon's whole journey up 'til WAR?
They had DnD catapulted to extreme new heights with Steanger Things and completely squandered that by just not releasing shit for way too long.
you know I actually really liked the DnD movie
It was really good but it was lighthearted and fun, so it got shat on by movie "critics"
I did too actually
not true, critics and viewers all gave the movie great scores but it didn't do well at the box office because...not that many people saw it
and who can blame them because wotc's track record doesn't inspire confidence
Comfy movie, agreed. Was violently dethroned by BG3, though.
Considering the absolute state of basically everything Magic story-related in the last decade that was Ixalan's story, I doubt the show will be any good.
Ixalan was probably the last time the story was just overall good though.
I was moronic and meant to say "wasn't." Ixalan was the only time the MTG main story has been good in a while. At least until War of the Spark, Ihaven't paid attention to anything after WAR since I made the mistake of buying that dogshit book they released with it and it ended up being the literal worst novel I've ever read (I've read all four Twilight novels)
There's good side-stories here and there but broadly speaking the story kinda nosedived when Ixalan finished off. It hit its lowest with War of the Spark and it has had some good bits here and there but the Phyrexia twofer of All Will Be One to March of the Machine was just kind doing a lot of the same problems as War did. Not AS bad, but it does sort of feel like a lot of the build-up once again didn't matter because it was basically just "anyway Wrenn saves Teferi and Zhalfir with him, Zhalfir kicks the shit out of New Phyrexia and then Karn kills Elesh Norn which somehow shuts off all Phyrexians".
Honestly my main complaint is that they still barely even have done anything with Jace and Vraska post-Ixalan. It was basically completely ignored in War of the Spark and just vaguely implied to be a thing and then both got compleated (and are notably the only compleated walkers to be still MIA post-March, three were cured, three died, and they're just unknown) and apart from one side-story in March of the Machine (which I think was the highlight of MOM's story), Jace and Vraska are completely irrelevant. Compleated Jace should've been a terrifying villain and he just wasn't.
I mean they already fricked up by going with netflix instead of a higher budget outlet like amazon or hbo so I won't hold my breath
the only reason arcane worked was because it ISN'T netflix show
it was made inhouse by riot and simply placed on netflix
If they get that one anime studio that does all the other Netflix animes like Dota Dragons blood and that He-Man special my face is going to explode. thats worse case scenario for me because none of those are ever memorable besides Castlevania.
isn't that the same dogshit studio that made legend of korra? god I hope it's not them
>amazon
Yeah, because they have a great record for adapting fantasy works.
they have great production values, it's easy to simply shop around and find decent writers
not so easy to make a fantasy show on a cheap budget
Oh yeah that's still a thing, the Netflix show isn't it? I totally forgot about it because we've heard... Nothing. Is it still the Russos on it?
I never don't laugh when I see this art because it's like Bolas going "I have gathered you all here today..."
YOU HAVE NO WEAKNESS I CANNOT EXPLOIT
I ALWAYS HAVE AN ANSWER!
why just read a mind WHEN YOU CAN SCRAPE IT OUT?
Commander homies be like "I search for my two card combo". I just want to have fun for fricks sake.
commander homies have literally no spine and are absolute hypocrites
>oh did I shit stomp this table? Teehee I mustve just gotten lucky lol
>oh did you win? Sorry bro but find another table or remove all counters from your deck because its actually a level 9 power deck since I lost to it
fricking queers
>AHHHH NOOOO YOU CAN'T BLOW UP MY FIELD OF THE DEAD LAND DESTRUCTION IS EVIL!
>plays 16 board wipes in his deck
Commander players are morons
land destruction IS evil
but the fact that you're crying about boardwipes tells me you're an aggroBlack person
No I'm talking about the hypocrisy of being okay with cards like
>bane of progress
>farewell
>cyclonic rift
>etc.
That make the game drag on absurdly long but shitting and pissing their pants when someone uses Armageddon as a finisher or has Numot in the command zone, or has some incidental land removal in their deck at all. I had someone fricking refuse to play with me ever again because I had Decimate in my deck.
board wipes may extend the game but they're at least recoverable. Mass land destruction just means no one gets to play until you win.
I didn't say mass land destruction you fricking moron. Armageddon is the only playable MLD spell anyway.
I used to play with a real wienerhead in college who ran a Jhoira suspend deck and he played every mass land destruction under the sun
>play armageddon and worldslayer in my chromium deck because a 7 mana evasive beater wins games fast when no one has any lands
>include teferi's prot too so I can just 1 sided sweep the game
>infinite salt and Blacks dedicate multiple games to ruining my ability to play out of spite
t. the schizo who plays his broken ass k4rn artifact deck and then gets asshurt when people farewell his degenerate combo away
No I just play land removal because I got really fricking tired of every single player with black in their commander deck (and in their ass) tutoring up urborg + coffers every single game. Then became the table's archenemy because commander players literally have an aneurysm when someone interacts with their lands
>ahhh I'm playing pure cancer why is everyone targeting meeeee!!!
nobody wants to watch you play solitaire, b***h
I bet your second deck is hard control
>AHHHHH NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BLOW UP MY THESPIAN'S STAGE IT'S NOT FAAAIIIRRRR!!!!!
Cry about it, stupid Black person.
I'm not the one crying about getting targeted by the table, that's all you lil bro
god I fricking hate you commanderBlack folk. Im not even that anon but this smug Black person tier moronation you have is the same kind of shit people used have before getting filtered by standard and fricking off forever. But then they just had to make a format for morons like you to fester in
most played format btw
you lost, land destruction is highly limited spot removal for manlands now and you'll never get your homosexualry back because everybody and I mean everybody agreed that land destruction is for homosexuals
>bragging about commander being the most popular format as if the wizards hadnt personally destroyed every other format
>bragging about commander being the most popular format as if it also hasnt been ruined by wizards
enjoy your slightly less shitty tasting dogshit anon. Me? I jumped shit from that dogshit game years ago and havent been more happy
>people like playing the game? frick them FRICK THEM I have to blow up their lands!
>wtf no you can't just kill me!
lol
see
Continue being part of the problem, homosexual.
>he says while literally shitting out of his mouth because someone put decimate in their deck
Continue being an assmad little filtered homosexual baby.
>g about getting targeted by the table
But I didn't cry about this, I cried about the Black folk trying to gaslight me into taking the cards out of my deck or insinuating they're unfair instead of just dealing with it. It's the same as homosexuals that cry about board wipes or counterspells.
>I'm not in the wrong here, everyone else is for punishing me for playing land destruction waaah waaah!
kek
>WAWEAAAAWHAAAAAAAAAAA NOOOOO STOP BLOWING UP MY FIELD OF THE DEAD IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR! RULES COMMITTEE BAN THIS CARD! BAN ALL LAND DESTRUCTION CARDS THEY'RE NOT FAAAAAAIRR WAAAAAAAH
and yet, wotc and the playerbase agree with me and despise you
cope and seethe
>the company that exclusively caters to shitter morons agrees with you
Thank you for proving me objectively correct. I accept your concession.
keep seething sweaty ;3
Why would I seethe? I won the argument, proved that I was objectively correct and you even kneeled and outright admitted that I was.
>still frothing at the mouth that the game itself has exiled his shitty strategies
lol
Bro you don't have to keep pretending like you unironically believe modern MTG design is better. You can just admit you lost the argument, everyone else thinks you did since you outright admitted it when you said "WOTC agrees with me," which to any good MTG player means "I am incorrect."
magic is better than it's ever been and the fact that it makes morons like you fly into rages just makes playing it all the better
>magic is better than it's ever been
ywnbaw
The only people who think this are zoomers and redditors like the ones in this thread thinking the Arena quips are cool and talking about a Netflix show. Magic fricking blows right now
I wonder if you'll still feel that way when they're making shit like a Travis Scott edh deck in a year.
>pathetically trying to spin this as a troll when you got caught acting like a little b***h
shoo shoo baby your homosexual general is on /tg/. Go there and circlejerk about how evil LD is over there
Nta, but you genuinely don't see a problem with how dumb the game has gotten since they decided to fully pander to EDH?
Not even talking about FIRE, I mean shit like Rick Grimes.
>being smug about being a little b***h
fricking lmao couldnt be anymore of a commanderqueer if you tried. Let me guess, you try to bully other players out of using interaction because its also nofun wrongbad?
I'm okay with them except for Cyclonic Rift. It's simply too OP and I refuse to play it in any deck. It's okay when others play it though, I don't really get mad.
>eternal dominion
man I fricking love that spell in my arcanis deck. Shit makes you feel like a real, all powerful VVizard
It's ten times better when you pair it with this lil homie.
>he doesnt know about echo mage
if you copy eternal dominion the copies stack and get cast every turn so you can just keep playing more and more shit until your oppenents deck out or concede
Yes, I do play it with Izzet. The most I've been able to copy it is 12 times. The main objective of Hive Mind is to lock everyone from casting while also engaging in the epic duel.
Start playing mutavault + book of exalted deeds to bully them into running land destruction
Yeah I've considered building a legacy lands in EDH style deck. Running all the degenerate land-related shit like glacial rift, marit lage, angel mutavault, etc.
I did this and its not fun because you are shoe horned into 4-5c legends due to commander's moronic rules on lands
I think most of the degenerate lands are colorless.
>flickers golos three times in one turn
>land destruction IS evil
Not my problem.
homies will play shit like this and then wonder why everyone constantly wipes his creatures and counters his spells
I just turn Grimgrin into a machine gun
This is why i convinced my friends to ban cheap tutors. excessive shuffling slows the game down too much anyway so it's just win/win to get rid of them.
Commander is the format where Eldrazi gays get to run rampant with their 80 colorless mana rocks and annihilator quadrillion cancer and that alone makes it suck
To people(?) who still actively collect and play Magic have any self-respect?
Do*
Yes.
I enjoy being me and enjoy expressing myself with incredibly convoluted and dumb gameplans to impress my bros.
I have a completely different outlook, and I've been playing for 12 years. My locals went from having 30+ people to not being able to fire cuz everyone just wanted to play fricking EDH. Then COVID hit and they killed off big events.
The only fun way to play MTG now is a cube
how indeed
i always report and hide digital card game threads. you dont belong here.
>Fixing M:tG specifically
Impossible. Nuke it.
>Making fun digital card games
Divorce them from "collectible" card games. Deckbuilding games are fun, secondary markets and "chase cards" and all the shit that comes with a manufactured limited supply is not. If you need to make money for your game, you can sell the game, or you can sell expansions, or even sell cards directly--but don't artificially limit their fricking supply, that just messes everything up and creates an environment where players who can afford the best decks get to play and everyone else gets to eat shit.
Summon Wars is a good example of this. They sell decks, but the decks are available to everybody and will never run out (and they're also extremely cheap, at only a few bucks per). If you want a deck, you can buy it, and you get an unlimited playset of all the cards in it (meaning you can use them in as many decks as you like), no funny business. There's no speculators buying out stock, there's no scalpers hiking up the prices, no lootboxes or lootbox-equivalents. Every game should be like that.
why is old MTG art so soulful compared to the new one?
transitioned from physical to digital medium
M:tG art used to be largely commissioned to artists who were given a prompt and told to deliver it. This, obviously, resulted in a lot of different artists delivering illustrations in a lot of different styles. A LOT of it was trash, but not all of it, and over the first decade of the game's life a lot of classic art was produced.
Sometime around 2000, WotC implemented a "style guide" that solidified the look of M:tG. Artists, in addition to delivering on their prompt, were now asks to also abide by the guidelines in the guide. The goal was to unify M:tG's visual look in order to make art that originated from the game instantly recognizable as M:tG art--and it succeeded. However, this essentially made artists putting their own "spin" on a piece of art off-limits, and so all art from the last couple decades kind of just blends together into an M:tG-themed mush.
KEEP SAYIN' IT
-3
Awww, it seems I've laid waste to your army. Oops!
they do say you can't take it with you
Land removal isn't the biggest evil in Commander it's that one gigahomosexual who actually uses an infect deck and gets extremely butthurt if you suggest increasing the amount of poison counters needed to lose in order to match up with commander's 40 life total
>changing the rules of the game because you cant handle a specific playstyle
I had some homosexual try to pull this infect counters to 20 shit on me and I called him a moron to his face. Of course in standard commander Black persondry he only tried it as I was swinging with an 11 infecter lol
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T KILL YOU IN 2 TURNS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO WAIT DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF TURNS AT LEAST WAAAH
you're the exact homosexual I'm talking about and are why you have no groups to play with. The entire reason Infect was soft-reworked into Toxic is because there's no "alternate playstyle" to infect, it's literally just winning with half the damage needed, the problem in commander arising when it's a fricking fourth of the damage required.
holy fricking seethe lmao. Unironically git gud you crying little b***h
>WAAAAH WAAAAHHH WHY DID WOTC CHANGE THIS
>because it was broken
>LOL GET GUD
this is why no one takes you seriously
but wotc didnt change it?
Toxic is nu-infect and infect is one of the few effects wotc have gone out of their way to say is never coming back. And if it ever did literally every deck would have to splash green just to play the anti-infect card
yeah but you still die at 10 counters
Toxic is one counter regardless of damage which is way more manageable than chaos warping a blightsteel into the game early or turning multiple 1/1s into 10/10s in a single turn which in green is easy
Toxic is how infect should have always been to be honest
Well, no, Toxic is "the number of Toxic it has" counters. But it's wholly independent of the damage done. The only thing that does poison based on damage is the new Etali but if you're getting hit by that you deserve to lose.
>land destruction is broken
>larping this hard
bro if youre gonna troll atleast google the rules first
>get btfo by the community, the playerbase, the company and this very thread
>y-you're trolling
and you're nogames
If your gameplan is
>make big creature
>tap rogue's passage
>instakill one player per turn
you should consider kys.
>what is creature removal
git gud
My game plan
>Dark Rit
>Tainted Pact
>wind mill slam Thassa's Oracle like its fricking Uno after I play my second land
Just kill his terrible infect creatures then.
Combat tricks and buff cards that work on non-infect creatures also work on infect you know. Only the threshold to buff them high enough to one-shot a player is 1/4th the normal amount
And it just so happens most of the infect cards are in green, the color full of creature buffing cards
Combat tricks with infect are generally shit.
The overrun is the only good one.
>pic related is banned for being an "instant win"
>expropriate is not
Yeah I'm thinking people overvalue land destruction
green can get 7 mana really fast, by like turn 3
>land, dork, simply choose your flavor of elf (2)
>land, dork, dork, dork (6)
>land, sylvan primordial
wow anon thats very cool now you have a 0 card hand but atleast you have lots of mana!
I sure do
probably because you can't flicker or reanimate expropriate. he's cool though, wish he wasn't banned
h-hey guys. remember me?
id be interested in mtg if the games wasnt so damn pozzed
any digital card game that has a set rotation will always die
She was fricking hot as Missy. That is all.
>I hate commander!
>why?
>because I played a cancerous deck and still got smashed by the rest of the table!
every time
all edh haters are just shitters who got outskilled despite trying to play overpowered stuff
Yeah man, let's look at the format with the most land destruction in it. Look at all these land destruction decks; clearly these types of cards are just TOO POWERFUL.
You really don't see how
>4 copies of any card
>60 card deck
Can lead to a whole different game?
yeah because if Im going to evaluate game balance and you being a little b***h Im going to look at a real format for how the game was intended to be played
moron
Yeah it clearly led to land destruction dominating because people can stack their decks with all the best land destruction cards, unlike Commander where they're limited to only one copy of the few good ones. Look at all those decks focused on land destruction, clearly you're correct that the strategy is just too good.
Any counterargument for
or are you going to continue being a moron?
yeah...
>has to go comb through the lands list to find a card that doesn't even put you up lands over your opponent
lmfao moron
You're a dumbass for not realizing that delver is a land destruction deck.
It can loop wastelands but only because that's the most efficient way to fill the graveyard while still keeping up tempo. It doesn't run mass land destruction or targeted land destruction spells, and it certainly doesn't run fricking decimate.
I liked it when my playgroup just played janky 100 card decks with no tutors. Then the tutors came and it all went to shit.
I hate it because its a format solely for low functioning sociopaths to socially bully and groom their little group of supposed friends into being their punching bag of free wins. Literally every game is the same shit
>If I win its gg lets go again
>did someone else win? uhhhhhh they must have powerlevel X deck and this is a powerlevel Y table go somewhere else
a bunch of pussy homosexuals
You're talking to some moron who thinks Decimate is a better card than
>Farewell
>Cyclonic Rift
>Bane of Progress
>Expropriate
you're not getting through to him with any kind of logic
My edh group had the opposite happen where people kept bringing more and more cancer to the table and kept running more and more purposefully no fun allowed decks like discard and eventually everyone had to out of necessity run all the meta removal cards in every deck until it got boring.
This thread has made me really appreciate the people I play with.
Feels good to have a group that has some basic understanding of social norms.
I sincerely wish you and your moronic cat posts would stay in your containment general on /tg/
No idea what you're talking about, but I will continue to post cats wherever and whenever I please.
>7 years later and Atraxa still hasn't been dethroned in commander format
Legit what were they thinking? that card might be one of the biggest mistakes to ever be printed
what the frick is this shit? why is a card game thread at almost 600 replies?
gonna shill this card game nobody has played
I remember reading about it in Gameinformer when I was a lad but never got it. that and the DS dragons quest game where you catapult things at the other players mecha