next youre going to complain about people talking about food, or any other life necessity you fricking death cultist. keep your voodoo israelite on a stick to yourself
If the spell is just some shit like latin words or gibberish then it's cool. If it's some garbage like Wizards of Waverly Place rhyming or that homosexual anime trope of standing still for over a minute while ranting some autistic shit like "Dear God above all, heed my prayer and take notice. I summon forth your countless fury to ravage my foes gaping buttholes. In the name of wienersuck and at the heed of Black personhomosexual, here my words! I summon the might above all, the shining star of wraith! I case thee out! GO FORTH, CUMGUZZLE!" then the character deserves to get their head blown off for even trying to use that in a fight and the writers need to get their heads blown off for thinking that not only wasn't the dumbest scene imaginable but that it was cool.
i cast magic through the power of faith in jesus christ our lord, and his heavenly father god, who manipulates the beautiful tapestry of life so that i might serve him here on earth as i do in heaven. repent your desires of lucifer's mysticism.
THROUGH THE POWER OF LORD CAST NOT DISSENT UPON THE MIRACULOUS WORD OF GOD AS HE WRINKLES AND UNFOLDS THE FABRIC OF OUR REALITY TO REALISE HIS MASTERPLAN
so you're saying i could theoretically cause a girl to not pee for 4 days straight and then dig up the eggshell to have her piss herself full force in public
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but you will go to Muslim Hell for perverting God's miracles and perverting the word of Allah.
Amusingly enough, that's also how it works in these books, except the templar knights don't actually know their spells are really prayers to heathen gods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elenium
How would a universe identify if you were reading the spell from the pages or not?
Maybe you'd have to resort to using light-weight spells that are easy to remember? Or maybe you've cast it so many times that you simply remember the incantation.
How would a universe identify if you were reading the spell from the pages or not?
Maybe you'd have to resort to using light-weight spells that are easy to remember? Or maybe you've cast it so many times that you simply remember the incantation.
D&D has the real kino, you'll never remember the whole spell without the book so you prepare the spells you want to cast in advance and do the last bit needed to release them when needed, usually involving some combination of words, hand movements, material that gets consumed to cast the spell
you know for being one of the archetypical wizard things why does dnd always have the worst fricking ways to cast spells
they're all lame as shit and suck ass
I think a major problem with wizards is that if you tune up any physical class to even come close to the ability of a medium level wizard, wizard becomes useless in almost all combat scenarios. Being superhuman compared to opponent means that every combat encounter where the wizard didn't ambush the phys class devolves into the fighter instantly appearing in front of the wizard before they can react and cutting them in half in a single attack
11 months ago
Anonymous
I get that, but DnD has the opposite issue where literally the only thing martials do is hit hard and absorb a few more hits, and even then casters can do the same. On the flip side, casters are both great at combat and have so much more out of combat utility it's unreasonable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because a fighter is always going to just be four meat prongs on a goo sack. It doesn't take much imagination to use even low level spells to replicate everything four meat prongs can accomplish, so all you can do is make those meat prongs do their meat prong things harder, while a Wizard gets more and more options to do it smarter.
The only real way around that is to get into Wuxia levels of absurdity, where you can cut sound and stand on a leaf, and over the top things like that. The problem is, at that point, you've completely abandoned the entire fantasy that the Fighter is meant to achieve.
Holding up a staff and chanting To be 100% real, she unironically is one of the only characters in media to ever capture how cool spellcasting can potentially be. There are so many games where magic is just a flavor of damage or a numerical buff and no real game has ever captured the power fantasy of being a wizard.
dragon's dogma sorcerer had some pretty fun over the top spell animations.
Too bad most of the time they were either complete overkill or completely uncontrollable and missed their mark but I guess that's the downside of summoning down a literal meteor strike.
Yes. But also if you and a pawn or multiple pawns were trying to cast the same spell it would cut down the cast time tremendously for those high level spells.
You won't be disappointed
Well you will be a little disappointed, the game isn't really finished (although it does have a complete story) and a lot of the cool stuff they had planned for it was cut, that's why people wanted a sequel so much. Dragons dogma as it was meant to be.
Yes. But also if you and a pawn or multiple pawns were trying to cast the same spell it would cut down the cast time tremendously for those high level spells.
Wow I actually never knew that After all these year has Ganker finally convinced me to play DD?
There's a similar system in FF11 but also actually playing that game is more than a bit of a hassle
You have to use your imagination a bit because there's obviously no environmental damage, but playing a wizzie in EverQuest is pretty similar >Sitting >Sitting >Sitting >The bard is running for dear life >Every single monster on the map wants to kill your bard >Sitting. >The bard comes into view like Sir Lancelot running >The time hath come >Stand up >Press The Button >With a wave of my finger and a flick of my dick, one zap from me will kill you quick >Everything within your field of vision lets the breath of life slip alongside their corporeal form >Have a seat, job well done, ready to press The Button again >Next week.
Unless it was a raidboss. Then it was >burn all mana >sit down >start 5 minute timer >tab out >tab in when timer rings >burn all mana >repeat
Or at least that's how several players have described it to me.
Also, Fancy and Yngwe are my heroes.
As impossible as it is to talk about XIV on Ganker, the closest I've gotten was (aside from DD like the other Anon mentioned) playing Black Mage in XIV, but only because the animations and spell effects are top tier and the class got to keep its identity throughout the years. The actual gameplay for BLM is just ok because it's still a rotation-based MMO and there isn't anything to actually do besides raid autism when you hit max level.
Rudeus comes close - unfortunate that he masters voiceless incantations, it robs us of cool scenes like this. I always enjoyed in the alternate timeline how a God-tier detoxification spell had an incantation thousands of pages long.
I also think the first two are good and I never played the third. Explain how you think my taste was bad? Magic should be dramatic, flashy, dangerous, and fricking earth-shattering. Obviously it shouldn't always be just be hurr durr big kaboom 100% of the time but it shouldn't be like vanilla Skyrim or traditional Final Fantasy where the coolest thing you can do is get higher tiers of the same handful of spells.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Magic isn't only about appearance, but how thoroughly the mechanics of magic can be twisted and contorted while adhering to its fundamental principles. That's what makes Noita and Magicka so much fun. You can abuse the spell effects you're given to make really weird, fricked up things happen at the simple gesture of a wand and the effects are so wild and outrageous they're sometimes a hazard your enemies, your surroundings, and even yourself. >A Magical High School Girl
It's a decent traditional-ish turn-based roguelike where the main gimmick is that you can create new spells with crystals and the effects of all your spells, their range, type, etc. are dependent on the name you give them. It's somewhat restrictive based on what sorts of abilities some spells can or can't do, so you can't create a spell that summons allied monsters in the face of enemy monsters by firing a laser at them, but the premise is really fascinating and it's a lot of fun even with what you can do. Also, the MC looks really cute and I want to dick her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Example of such a spell. I want more games that lets you create spells and name them whatever you want.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think I get what you're saying. The difference between us is valuing specific systems vs. vs valuing aesthetics and presentation.
I think it's fine to like fiddly open-ended "crafting" systems for magic, but having perfect control over every tidbit I think kills the mystery and wonder that it should evoke.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Magicka
FRICK THE SEQUEL. They literally removed half the fricking soul in that game.
>she unironically is one of the only characters in media to ever capture how cool spellcasting can potentially be
homie read some books. Or frick, listen to Heavy metal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXAAHDIN7U. There's much cooler spell casting in media
>wordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswords >"hahahaha look at how cringy and quirky my character is. Haha so cringy. Get it??? She's cringy and dumb!" -moron writer that watched One Punch Man and thought parody was when you just shove a bunch of tropes in your media and have one character acknowledge it's pure trope trash >"n-no you don't get it, she's intentionally an annoying cringy trope. This makes her post-ironic so it's fine! A-and besides, she's actually a really well character. In chaper 69 on page 420 it's reveale-" t. moron that jerk offs to cartoons that has tied his identity to them to the point where he has a panic attack if someone disagrees with him online. Has no social skills and will try explaining his goofy gag cartoons to other people as if they're epic fantasy novels on par with Lord of The Rings. If his friends ever feel bad for ignoring him and try giving his show a try they'll watch one episode and write his opinions off for another year. >"haha I love Darkness. The part where she tried getting raped and failed was so funny" - potato brained coomer. Only watches the show to laugh and get horny. Knows the show is garbage and accepts it for what it is. Skips 10 seconds every time he sees Megumin raise her staff. If he ever tried explaining the show he'd just say "imagine if you woke up in a porn parody but there was no porn and you were the parody". His friends would watch it and laugh about it with him
>All of them together > any by itself
Incantations, ceremonial gestures, and a catalyst are peak magic.
The incantation invokes, the catalyst channels, and your physical gesture shape and direct the spell. I dare a martial bawd to deny this.
THE AGE-OLD MOTHER OF ALL MAGIC HAS RETURNED TO EARTH AND YOU MUST DEFEAT HER
DO YOU USE: >dangerous genetic eye-magic steeped in incest and familial sacrifice that can modify reality >a cantrip that turns you into her fujo fantasy harem
As impossible as it is to talk about XIV on Ganker, the closest I've gotten was (aside from DD like the other Anon mentioned) playing Black Mage in XIV, but only because the animations and spell effects are top tier and the class got to keep its identity throughout the years. The actual gameplay for BLM is just ok because it's still a rotation-based MMO and there isn't anything to actually do besides raid autism when you hit max level.
>WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS >DAMN SON WHERE'D YOU FIND THIS (SPELLBOOK) >LEGALISE HUMAN SACRIFICE >LIVING IN SATAN'S TRAP HOUSE >DANK WINDS OF MAGIC >EXPELLED FROM HOGWARTS FOR UNDISCLOSED REASONS >ELF RAPE MARATHON
Traditional dnd style. Memorized spell that you use hand gestures and verbal incantation to cast that you "forget" once cast and needs to be re-studied and rested to prepare it for use the next day.
Hand movements (and/or intense mental concentration) are the coolest. You're not reliant on fancy trinkets or wands but rather your own power. However, I like settings where you have all of them in play. >novices/jobbers need wands/trinkets to serve as conduits for their powers, while they need incantations to focus their will >masters can do all their own magic without such assistance and their mental focus is great enough that they don't need to read incantations to center their thoughts >however even a master may resort to incantations when casting an absurdly strong and complex spell >weaker casters might need to read out an incantation to hurl a fireball but a master can summon a massive blast of flame without it while with an incantation could incinerate an entire castle
based.
one of the few things i liked about wheel of Time's magic was women thinking they HAD to use hand gestures because that's how they were trained, to the point where sisters could tell who trained someone through their hand gestures, and then when someone is able to just not use them at all they end up BTFOing people because SURPRISE binding my hands didn't do shit and you get no gestures to warn you im about to throw magic at you
The 98 Merlin miniseries had something like this, you went from word to gesture to not needing anything although it wasn't an element at all focused on to the point I might not be correctly remembering what I saw it in. Merlin 98 is really good regardless though
Then you have artifact trinkets that come pre-loaded with powerful spells and special super wands that magnify any spells cast through them.
An incanter/willpower wizard can still match up but it can be a pretty level playing field no matter how you cast your spells.
I like magic where someone has to spend loads of time drawing a meticulous circle with formulas and runes and shit and if they frick it up even a little their physical form gets wiped from existence and their mind becomes trapped in a hellish entropy dimension for eternity.
more inputs method are always good especially when it's analog input
there's much more room to frick up and it's often you have to practice your fundamental before jumping into battle
not even related to magic but for example being able to draw your weapons smoothly and properly while not being an impressively hard skill to have, is very immersive and you still need to do real life movements for it
on keyboard and controllers? press button and everything happens automatically
if you truly love videogames then you'd see the appeal in wanting more interactions with the game worlds
All of the above, different catalysts exist for different magical arts/techniques. If your ip is good it'll feature them all but make them all learned arts outside trinkets which would either be the most common form or race form as it skips most of the effort.
>you think he's listening to the sounds of his wife and child being tortured >it's just a song he likes being playing on headphones with indiscernibly lower audio quality than he demands
I know the meaning of those words in English as it was taught over the majority of the previous century. But I'm sure you know everything, never make mistakes and always admit them even if you have nothing to gain from it.
A staff covered in trinkets with an open book at the end for me to read my incantations from, the incantation being to summon an animated sword and animated wand that both cast spells for me. And I guess I think really hard at some point
i think a cool form of magic is purely the enchantment of any kind of item to turn it into a specialized catalyst. >enchanted sword that can sling very pressurized, slicing winds when swung >enchanted glove that can corrode metals, armors, etc >enchanted lantern that can flashbang enemies in front of it
so basically the idea of a "mage" is just someone good at enchanting things, and enchanted items are fairly rare and highly sought after.
thanks for reading my autism
reading the spell out loud is invoking the power of the demon you've pledged yourself to
making hand a specific hand movement while having the demon's sigil upon your hand also works i guess
wands are bullshit
magical trinkets that were bestowed upon someone also work (eg. the ring of solomon)
>archetypal male mage(wizard) is a wise mystic, studious and diligent, whose amazing powers come from hard work, purity of mind, body and soul, and who would rather spend his life trying to understand the mysteries of creation than use his immense power for personal gain >archetypal female mage(witch) is an evil servant of Satan
Really joggins the noggin.
>BURN MY BOOKS WILL YOU
STANDING HERE I REALIE >HUAAAH BURRRNING PILAAAAAARRRRDAAAAH
*huge pillars of fire rise from the ground and like tendrils surround the opponent before clashing into him and blowing him
Bad guy: these flames… can’t contain… my RAGGGGGEEE
*blue flames explode from him evaporating the fire*
Bad guy: ILL BURN MORE THAN YOUR BOOKS OLD MAN
Asking the neighbor for some sugar is far less effort and risk than asking Sumerian demons for some.
and maybe the wizard just wants to bake a cake because he likes to bake?
>Magic is associated with (INT)elligence and (MIND) >Giving away your attacks with blatant hand movements
Embarrassing. Same with The Force. If it really was meant to be a power beyond the physical, they should've just been able to cast spells without looking at the camera to do so.
Magic is magic. If there should be any arbitrary movements involved it should be as a distraction. Ain't gotta explain shit to the audience with gay ass finger twirls and incantations.
They can do that in Star Wars. Vader does that a lot. It's just easier to focus if you have a physical action that represents what you're doing with the force, like moving your hand.
extremely handsome chad sorc who controls reality with his pure will vs ugly ass virgin wizard who has to study magic for like 50 years just to make his cantrips work
even in fantasy it's not fair
Wizards get more and better spells, nice trade-off
Plus sorcerers still suck ass at physicality and don't have any archetypes or subclasses that let them swing a sword without getting tired
Wizard wins like 75% of the time tho. If neither are prepared, then it's 50/50 since they're both equally powerful. If both have time to prepare, wizard wins 100% of the time because he has 20 times the amount of spells the sorc has.
>The virgin Int-caster spends most of his life locked away in study to learn basic spells >The chad Cha-caster imposes his will on reality >The transcendent gigachad Wis-caster simply observes his desired results
You're too narrow minded anon >be master wizard >don't NEED hand signs >do them anyway so that opponent thinks they've got your patterns down and can predict what spells you cast and when >feint a spell the opponent expects only to cast another with only your mind and thus obliterate them by misleading their predictions
Visual media will always rely on actions like hand movements etc for magic and psychokinetic shit because they help communicate what is happening to an audience (of morons). In print media its much easier to describe internal mechanisms and the rationale of characters performing these actions, but with film it becomes confusing and difficult to understand when it occurs spontaneously. Japanese manga/anime relies on similar techniques in addition to characters literally describing out loud what they're about to do before doing in. Its all in service to the simpletons who consume media.
People use their hands for literally everything. It's how we manipulate the world around us. Art and literature as far back as the bible does this, when someone is "wielding" any sort of weapon or power it's with their hands.
Stop being a contrarian homosexual who thinks noticing something is common means it's bad or stupid.
Why not all of them for different kinds of magic or level of expertise?
Channeling through a trinket or weapon doesn't need the user to be magically attuned, using a focus item like a wand or staff for low level mages, and hand movements or sheer will for higher level mages.
Hand movements is the best one.
Saying the spell out loud is only acceptable if it's a chant that's literally phoning some sort of God or other higher power to rekt your enemies.
Magical trinkets are acceptable if the magic power is specifically stored inside the trinket in some way, is single use only and requires considerable effort to make.
Wand waving is never acceptable.
I will never understand how people can come up with shit like that in Noita. I have never even beaten the game. I always die by the time I reach the fricking ancient factory place because you can't fricking heal in the game outside of making some weird convoluted wands that you have to look up guides on the internet in order to even make, and get lucky to find the proper spells.
wand and hand waving are the same, being able to make different circuits with your hand signs gives your spells more versatility but wands are better for focusing and aiming spells, plus they can come with their own enchantments
as for magical trinkets they are basically any trinket on which a spell has been written on
if you are good at incantation your can read the mana flow of magic trinkets and recite a copy of the spell, don't be shy to chant out loud, some of these engraved spells come with musical tones attached
Also
who the frick uses grimoires in this day an age? smart phones are smaller and can do the same thing but without consuming your mana reserves >t. 50+ year old virgin elder wizard
For me, it's using hand motions BUT pretending that I'm chanting and using a wand and trinket to trick my opponents into thinking I need the rest of those things.
Somatic components for me. Also technically pointing your staff, but that's not as relevant.
It's a real shame nobody has managed to steal the elemental combos system. No tactics, no 3D action, no sandbox frick-around, nothing. Noita is fun, but it requires a certain brand of autism, while Magicka is pure indulgence.
I still can cast "lightning bolt" and "electro-arcane wall of death" in half a second, that's the sort of reflex that's rivaled only by San Andreas cheat codes.
P.S. Holy shit Paradox are massive israelites, imagine ""updating"" a game nearly a decade later just to add more DLC and frick up item system.
Magical Trinket > Wand = Hand Movements > Spoken
All your enemies have to do is gag you to stop spoken.
If you are tied up or injured you might not be able to perform the correct hand signs.
A wand is cringe as hell, and the first thing a sniper would shoot out of your hands.
A magical trinket is inconspicuous, it doesn't give away your secret making it much more difficult to defeat you.
That's not to say it's all powerful but it's better than the rest. User stupidity aside.
basic b***h fireball - hand gesture
Armageddon level spell - incantation
healing ? Not possible unless equal amount of life force is given, BLOOD IS POWER
I used Rand just to represent the magic system itself. Nothing about it REQUIRES hand gestures, you only need them if you were a dumbass and learned the weaves using them.
You know, there's a certain unique flavour of magic from 80s that seems gone today.
Early MTG, Fighting Fantasy books, Talisman board game, and of course, countless marginally different spells that make up DnD's wizard. It might be just the art of prolific fantasy artists of the time, but something was certainly lost along the way. Being part of a concrete game system also means that every spell must have a concrete effect, and that contributed to the "toolbox" feel of prepared casters.
But there's so very few games that can support proper wizardry. Hardly anybody makes mechanically robust but focused games, it's either walled-off moviegames or dorfort-tier sims. And there are only marginally more CYOA games, which could deliver on the flavour or narrative front.
I guess my last point is that (you) should play Sorcery, digital adaptation of Steve Jackson's book. Nothing feels quite as good as finding the right spell for the job.
Personally like hand motions but if I could I'd choose all of it to layer redundancies. Wand/staff broken? That's okay use my fingers as a focal point instead. Trinket broken? It will take longer but I can air-trace the sigils in it instead. Silenced and incapacitated? Then I really hope the contingency spell in my trinket still functions.
If they're all viable options, here is how my magic system would work
>Book
For novice casters who haven't memorized their spells or just want reference for very specific instructions for rituals and such >Wands
For quick or prolonged spells. The spells cast are pretty weak. Good to have in your back pocket >Hand movements
For those are more experienced and for people who use them want a balanced approach. Generally they're jack of all trades, master of none >Magical artifacts
Can have a range of options, from passive enchantments to being a focus point for your magic to shoot out of. Can also be cursed >Staff
Real wizard shit. Big Fricking Spells.
just casting them with your mind and theatrical gestures
otherwise giga warrior dude tank your shit spells and take away your catalyst or break your finger etc ez pz, youre useless without them
yellow mages have to be the most bullshit thing about this game on your first run. >see some homie dancing >hehe he doesnt seem hostile >lose arm >huh? >lose leg
epic
Yellow mages are complete pushovers when you realize they're weak as frick in melee. It's extremely fortunate there's never a combat situation where a yellow mage is hiding behind some homosexual tanking for it (because yellow mages have no friends).
type a: >I summon thee, Lord of Flames, to grant onto me the almighty power of your blazing soul, so that I may incinerate my foes with the purifying embers of your essence!
type b: >[kind of like the above but in an ancient/mystical language that nobody, maybe not even the caster, truly understands]
type c: >Fireball!
type d: >type c for quick spells but you can go type a to make them more powerful/effective
type e: the one where the chant is still an actual chant, unlike type c, but where your knowledge allows you to unexpectedly speed-hack it, one-upping your opponent.
Absolutely loved when they did that in Scrapped Princess. > Idiot villain priest starts chanting super-complicated lightning spell that entreats god to smite his enemies, yada yada yada > Protag's mage companion raises hand and whispers a short cantrip that fire-pillars his ass > He keeps trying to cast his spell, being cast-interrupted and having his ass burned every time. > Finally bails proclaiming protag's mage companion is cheating and that that's not how that spell is supposed to be cast
I DO NOT PRAY TO THE GODS BECAUSE I HAVE FAITH THAT THE LORD'S PLAN WILL ACCOUNT FOR THE TRIALS I AM ABOUT TO ENCOUNTER, THROUGH FAITH, NOT PRAYER, I UTILISE THE STORY GOD HAS FOREWRITTEN FOR ME
The wizards are such masters of their craft that they possess all the knowledge and tools to counter almost any magic known in their worlds so the battle comes from predicting on what the other will do first. The actual battle should only happen in a few seconds. Basically this.
I wave my dick, thrust my pelvis, and do suggestive tongue motions.
why is it always sex with you incels, why dont you go out and get laid jesus.
What are you talking about? You just blow in from twittertown?
I've been laid before, and don't call me Jesus.
Where do i buy laid jesus?
next youre going to complain about people talking about food, or any other life necessity you fricking death cultist. keep your voodoo israelite on a stick to yourself
What the frick are you talking about
THE JOKE IS SEX! GET IT!?!?@ SEX!!! IT'S SEX! LAUGH BECAUSE I SAID A LEWD THING!! I AM A MASTER OF COMEDY!
yeah
unironically, this is a form of magick called Chaos Magick
most dignified Slaanesh mage
Mind powers, b***h.
None of that outside force shit.
Effortlessly casting with your hands behind your back
SPBP
Magical trinket
BLAH BLAH BLAH
rita is words + hand movements + trinket, she does a ton of spins while saying blahblahblah and then things blow up
hand movements >= reading the spell outloud >> magical trinket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wand
>reading the spell not last
real life isnt anime bro, it'd be hella cringe
It will be way less cringe when I incinerate your home after reading loudly
Try cringing when you're on fire dumbass.
If the spell is just some shit like latin words or gibberish then it's cool. If it's some garbage like Wizards of Waverly Place rhyming or that homosexual anime trope of standing still for over a minute while ranting some autistic shit like "Dear God above all, heed my prayer and take notice. I summon forth your countless fury to ravage my foes gaping buttholes. In the name of wienersuck and at the heed of Black personhomosexual, here my words! I summon the might above all, the shining star of wraith! I case thee out! GO FORTH, CUMGUZZLE!" then the character deserves to get their head blown off for even trying to use that in a fight and the writers need to get their heads blown off for thinking that not only wasn't the dumbest scene imaginable but that it was cool.
how about magic, where you persuade a homophobic god that your enemy is a total gay and deserves it
Based, literally this.
Words have power, you hylic Black person
God tier take.
bump
Reading AND Hand Movements is kino
I don't know if I'm moronic but I thought you were implying you would do them in that order to cast a spell instead of ranking them
You are moronic, but it's the based kind of moronation.
FORTUITOUS homieNOMICON M'SQUINKY!
Hand movements for maximum chuuni effect
>no staff
bottom left
Wands and staves are different. Wands are gay little sticks illusionists use because they can hide up their sleeve.
i cast magic through the power of faith in jesus christ our lord, and his heavenly father god, who manipulates the beautiful tapestry of life so that i might serve him here on earth as i do in heaven. repent your desires of lucifer's mysticism.
>i cast magic through the power of faith in jesus christ
(EXTREMELY LOUD HERETICAL BUZZER)
Oh look another polcuck larper who hasn’t read a page of the Bible it’s like a copy pasted homosexual only dumber
calm down, its just a meme you seething neolibcuck. dont get so offended over it
hush phoenician scum and embrace biblicisms
>you will do works greater than these
homosexual
Little Timmy felt called out?
is pol in the room with you right now?
/misc/ here, the bible says you shouldn't be a wet towel
No joke praying to Jesus christ and calling on his name cast away and cured me of night terrors and sleep paralysis
I’m glad to hear that anon
>magic
Miracles through the power of faith isn't magic, you fricking heretic. Go die on a cross and repent.
THROUGH THE POWER OF LORD CAST NOT DISSENT UPON THE MIRACULOUS WORD OF GOD AS HE WRINKLES AND UNFOLDS THE FABRIC OF OUR REALITY TO REALISE HIS MASTERPLAN
Reminder that the bible never explicitly condoned using magic in general, but magic for selfish and evil purposes or magic granted from Satan.
what would be some Jesus Aprroved spells
can i still cast MAGIK MISSLE
As long as it is at a person who has made themselves your enemy and/or an enemy of God
so you're saying i could theoretically cause a girl to not pee for 4 days straight and then dig up the eggshell to have her piss herself full force in public
Yes but you will go to Muslim Hell for perverting God's miracles and perverting the word of Allah.
If you read a medieval grimoire, you'll find that most magic was just really elaborate prayers.
Amusingly enough, that's also how it works in these books, except the templar knights don't actually know their spells are really prayers to heathen gods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elenium
>Spells and miracles both come from the same source
kino
First two. Items (including wands) are for closet warriors.
Me
A humble staff caster
As much as I want to, I literally can not refute this
incantations are pure kino, INDIGNATION
Every time someone mentions INDIGNATION this clip plays in my head, kek
?t=14
*cuts off your tongue*
Heh, nothing personnel, magiclet.
i think if you're in a position to be cutting off tongues you're beating any of these spellcasting methods
Hand movements > Waving staff (>waving gayass wands) > books is cool too i guess >>>>>>>
reading from a book always seemed worst to me
what if a bully comes up and smacks all your magical tomes on the floor in the hallway before you finish casting?
How would a universe identify if you were reading the spell from the pages or not?
Maybe you'd have to resort to using light-weight spells that are easy to remember? Or maybe you've cast it so many times that you simply remember the incantation.
I figure the spell comes from the book itself, and you use mana to power it, if applicable
I think of Fire Emblem where tomes have limited uses and there's no mana mechanic beyond the nebulous "magic" stat to increase damage
D&D has the real kino, you'll never remember the whole spell without the book so you prepare the spells you want to cast in advance and do the last bit needed to release them when needed, usually involving some combination of words, hand movements, material that gets consumed to cast the spell
you know for being one of the archetypical wizard things why does dnd always have the worst fricking ways to cast spells
they're all lame as shit and suck ass
Wizard needs to be forced to be restrained and careful with his spell use so other classes can keep up
Too bad they're still op as shit because DnD refuses to let martials have combat options that aren't "use the attack action again".
I think a major problem with wizards is that if you tune up any physical class to even come close to the ability of a medium level wizard, wizard becomes useless in almost all combat scenarios. Being superhuman compared to opponent means that every combat encounter where the wizard didn't ambush the phys class devolves into the fighter instantly appearing in front of the wizard before they can react and cutting them in half in a single attack
I get that, but DnD has the opposite issue where literally the only thing martials do is hit hard and absorb a few more hits, and even then casters can do the same. On the flip side, casters are both great at combat and have so much more out of combat utility it's unreasonable.
Because a fighter is always going to just be four meat prongs on a goo sack. It doesn't take much imagination to use even low level spells to replicate everything four meat prongs can accomplish, so all you can do is make those meat prongs do their meat prong things harder, while a Wizard gets more and more options to do it smarter.
The only real way around that is to get into Wuxia levels of absurdity, where you can cut sound and stand on a leaf, and over the top things like that. The problem is, at that point, you've completely abandoned the entire fantasy that the Fighter is meant to achieve.
sounds super gay and doesn't satisfy my wish fulfillment needs
i tap the bottom of my staff on the floor
Holding up a staff and chanting
To be 100% real, she unironically is one of the only characters in media to ever capture how cool spellcasting can potentially be. There are so many games where magic is just a flavor of damage or a numerical buff and no real game has ever captured the power fantasy of being a wizard.
dragon's dogma sorcerer had some pretty fun over the top spell animations.
Too bad most of the time they were either complete overkill or completely uncontrollable and missed their mark but I guess that's the downside of summoning down a literal meteor strike.
Didn't some of those take legit over a minute to cast?
Yes. But also if you and a pawn or multiple pawns were trying to cast the same spell it would cut down the cast time tremendously for those high level spells.
Wow I actually never knew that
After all these year has Ganker finally convinced me to play DD?
You won't be disappointed
Well you will be a little disappointed, the game isn't really finished (although it does have a complete story) and a lot of the cool stuff they had planned for it was cut, that's why people wanted a sequel so much. Dragons dogma as it was meant to be.
There's a similar system in FF11 but also actually playing that game is more than a bit of a hassle
You have to use your imagination a bit because there's obviously no environmental damage, but playing a wizzie in EverQuest is pretty similar
>Sitting
>Sitting
>Sitting
>The bard is running for dear life
>Every single monster on the map wants to kill your bard
>Sitting.
>The bard comes into view like Sir Lancelot running
>The time hath come
>Stand up
>Press The Button
>With a wave of my finger and a flick of my dick, one zap from me will kill you quick
>Everything within your field of vision lets the breath of life slip alongside their corporeal form
>Have a seat, job well done, ready to press The Button again
>Next week.
Unless it was a raidboss. Then it was
>burn all mana
>sit down
>start 5 minute timer
>tab out
>tab in when timer rings
>burn all mana
>repeat
Or at least that's how several players have described it to me.
Also, Fancy and Yngwe are my heroes.
>no real game has ever captured the power fantasy of being a wizard.
Rift Wizard.
As impossible as it is to talk about XIV on Ganker, the closest I've gotten was (aside from DD like the other Anon mentioned) playing Black Mage in XIV, but only because the animations and spell effects are top tier and the class got to keep its identity throughout the years. The actual gameplay for BLM is just ok because it's still a rotation-based MMO and there isn't anything to actually do besides raid autism when you hit max level.
you can do what I do and just go for meteor kills
dying immediately afterwards isn't necessary though is funny for stuff like el rotador 2
Rudeus comes close - unfortunate that he masters voiceless incantations, it robs us of cool scenes like this. I always enjoyed in the alternate timeline how a God-tier detoxification spell had an incantation thousands of pages long.
i know reddit is down, but please dont ruin Ganker with your garbage taste
>hurr durr redditors like a character therefore I have to hate it
Eat a dick, tourist. I've liked Konosuba since it aired.
im talking about how garbage your taste in magic is,
>le explosion xD
Name 3 games you think have good magic
Noita
Magicka
A Magical High School Girl
I also think the first two are good and I never played the third. Explain how you think my taste was bad? Magic should be dramatic, flashy, dangerous, and fricking earth-shattering. Obviously it shouldn't always be just be hurr durr big kaboom 100% of the time but it shouldn't be like vanilla Skyrim or traditional Final Fantasy where the coolest thing you can do is get higher tiers of the same handful of spells.
Magic isn't only about appearance, but how thoroughly the mechanics of magic can be twisted and contorted while adhering to its fundamental principles. That's what makes Noita and Magicka so much fun. You can abuse the spell effects you're given to make really weird, fricked up things happen at the simple gesture of a wand and the effects are so wild and outrageous they're sometimes a hazard your enemies, your surroundings, and even yourself.
>A Magical High School Girl
It's a decent traditional-ish turn-based roguelike where the main gimmick is that you can create new spells with crystals and the effects of all your spells, their range, type, etc. are dependent on the name you give them. It's somewhat restrictive based on what sorts of abilities some spells can or can't do, so you can't create a spell that summons allied monsters in the face of enemy monsters by firing a laser at them, but the premise is really fascinating and it's a lot of fun even with what you can do. Also, the MC looks really cute and I want to dick her.
Example of such a spell. I want more games that lets you create spells and name them whatever you want.
I think I get what you're saying. The difference between us is valuing specific systems vs. vs valuing aesthetics and presentation.
I think it's fine to like fiddly open-ended "crafting" systems for magic, but having perfect control over every tidbit I think kills the mystery and wonder that it should evoke.
>Magicka
FRICK THE SEQUEL. They literally removed half the fricking soul in that game.
>no real game has ever captured the power fantasy of being a wizard.
noita
Obligatory Noita post.
I just want a wizard game where spells are treated like God Eater's bullets.
>she unironically is one of the only characters in media to ever capture how cool spellcasting can potentially be.
>no real game has ever captured the power fantasy of being a wizard
>she unironically is one of the only characters in media to ever capture how cool spellcasting can potentially be
homie read some books. Or frick, listen to Heavy metal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXAAHDIN7U. There's much cooler spell casting in media
>wordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswordswords
>"hahahaha look at how cringy and quirky my character is. Haha so cringy. Get it??? She's cringy and dumb!" -moron writer that watched One Punch Man and thought parody was when you just shove a bunch of tropes in your media and have one character acknowledge it's pure trope trash
>"n-no you don't get it, she's intentionally an annoying cringy trope. This makes her post-ironic so it's fine! A-and besides, she's actually a really well character. In chaper 69 on page 420 it's reveale-" t. moron that jerk offs to cartoons that has tied his identity to them to the point where he has a panic attack if someone disagrees with him online. Has no social skills and will try explaining his goofy gag cartoons to other people as if they're epic fantasy novels on par with Lord of The Rings. If his friends ever feel bad for ignoring him and try giving his show a try they'll watch one episode and write his opinions off for another year.
>"haha I love Darkness. The part where she tried getting raped and failed was so funny" - potato brained coomer. Only watches the show to laugh and get horny. Knows the show is garbage and accepts it for what it is. Skips 10 seconds every time he sees Megumin raise her staff. If he ever tried explaining the show he'd just say "imagine if you woke up in a porn parody but there was no porn and you were the parody". His friends would watch it and laugh about it with him
The animators are cowards, but I'm not.
floating book that flips through its own pages
A bit too chuuni, but good in its own right.
with my fists
d&d magic users often have to do 3/4 of these at once
>can be silenced or immobilized
>tools can be stolen
I'll use my mind.
Gets mindbroken by bald man wiener
through a cute fairy familiar
>That fairy in the new Atlus game
it's almost time for second dinner, so i tell one of the junior wizards to deal with whatever it was
>All of them together > any by itself
Incantations, ceremonial gestures, and a catalyst are peak magic.
The incantation invokes, the catalyst channels, and your physical gesture shape and direct the spell. I dare a martial bawd to deny this.
Gestures > Book > gay artifacts
Shadow Wizard Money Gang 100% has the right of it, unless you're throwing gang signs you're just not a wizard
You're entering dangerous territory. This means Naturo was a wizard all along.
ryu is a wizard
Yeah no shit
THE AGE-OLD MOTHER OF ALL MAGIC HAS RETURNED TO EARTH AND YOU MUST DEFEAT HER
DO YOU USE:
>dangerous genetic eye-magic steeped in incest and familial sacrifice that can modify reality
>a cantrip that turns you into her fujo fantasy harem
Sexy no Jutsu + kage bunshin. Duh.
IIRC that was the idea initially, some editor told Kishimoto to change it to ninjas.
These. Hand signs are way more fun.
>young nig discovers magic powers using gang signs
i will now buy your def jam sequel
Not gonna lie, I'd play it.
this homie has never had a good talisman, don't talk shit about artifacts little man you're shits all moronic
>tfw no game about gangsta wizards from the hood
>tfw no mystical gang wars and street fights
Shadowrun is the setting where this scenario is most likely to happen.
>betta watch where you casting homie
>WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS
>DAMN SON WHERE'D YOU FIND THIS (SPELLBOOK)
>LEGALISE HUMAN SACRIFICE
>LIVING IN SATAN'S TRAP HOUSE
>DANK WINDS OF MAGIC
>EXPELLED FROM HOGWARTS FOR UNDISCLOSED REASONS
>ELF RAPE MARATHON
>EXPELLED FROM HOGWARTS FOR UNDISCLOSED REASONS
My friends made something involving this meme. I don't wanna go into more specifics because you can look them up if I do
your friend is a gay and doesn't know louka tessier
Traditional dnd style. Memorized spell that you use hand gestures and verbal incantation to cast that you "forget" once cast and needs to be re-studied and rested to prepare it for use the next day.
>not just manifesting your will through pure thought
NGMI
>incant spell
>enemy wizard welds your mouth shut
>incant spell
>warrior punches your teeth in
hand movements with reading the spell is kino
I like DnD where it's a mix of components, gestures and vocalization
I love casting spells
ok djsmokey
posts made by the shadow government
Hand movements (and/or intense mental concentration) are the coolest. You're not reliant on fancy trinkets or wands but rather your own power. However, I like settings where you have all of them in play.
>novices/jobbers need wands/trinkets to serve as conduits for their powers, while they need incantations to focus their will
>masters can do all their own magic without such assistance and their mental focus is great enough that they don't need to read incantations to center their thoughts
>however even a master may resort to incantations when casting an absurdly strong and complex spell
>weaker casters might need to read out an incantation to hurl a fireball but a master can summon a massive blast of flame without it while with an incantation could incinerate an entire castle
based.
one of the few things i liked about wheel of Time's magic was women thinking they HAD to use hand gestures because that's how they were trained, to the point where sisters could tell who trained someone through their hand gestures, and then when someone is able to just not use them at all they end up BTFOing people because SURPRISE binding my hands didn't do shit and you get no gestures to warn you im about to throw magic at you
The 98 Merlin miniseries had something like this, you went from word to gesture to not needing anything although it wasn't an element at all focused on to the point I might not be correctly remembering what I saw it in. Merlin 98 is really good regardless though
Then you have artifact trinkets that come pre-loaded with powerful spells and special super wands that magnify any spells cast through them.
An incanter/willpower wizard can still match up but it can be a pretty level playing field no matter how you cast your spells.
I use flamboyant motions, with their intensity denoting the power of the spell.
>Head banging
>Finger guns
>Pelvic thrusts
I now have an image in my head of a master Bard whose chosen instrument is air guitar.
For me? It's making a gesture of prayer and being given a momentary gift of magic from your God
with my fingers
I like magic where someone has to spend loads of time drawing a meticulous circle with formulas and runes and shit and if they frick it up even a little their physical form gets wiped from existence and their mind becomes trapped in a hellish entropy dimension for eternity.
Drawing glyphs of course
I also like voice commands for some stuff
>shit ass gimmick from arx fatalis
why woud you even
i guess special kids will play special games, nothing can change that
cause its cool
more inputs method are always good especially when it's analog input
there's much more room to frick up and it's often you have to practice your fundamental before jumping into battle
not even related to magic but for example being able to draw your weapons smoothly and properly while not being an impressively hard skill to have, is very immersive and you still need to do real life movements for it
on keyboard and controllers? press button and everything happens automatically
if you truly love videogames then you'd see the appeal in wanting more interactions with the game worlds
food for thought
not only magic sucks in skyrim you have to make it even more sucky
meticulously carve it in wood, stone or metal while singing the correct verses and making the correct sacrifices
I cast fist.
Magic wands are the magical equivalent of chopstick-helpers you give three-year olds and American adults. Hand sigils and grimoires all the way.
All of the above, different catalysts exist for different magical arts/techniques. If your ip is good it'll feature them all but make them all learned arts outside trinkets which would either be the most common form or race form as it skips most of the effort.
>Vancian magic
>you think he's listening to the sounds of his wife and child being tortured
>it's just a song he likes being playing on headphones with indiscernibly lower audio quality than he demands
I always thought he's listening to nails on a chalkboard.
Are audiophiles unironically autistic?
god vancian magic is fricking stupid
I'm playing through the PR for FF1 and forgot about it
i've been trying to play neverwinter nights for the past two days
i just can't play as an arcane caster
Take the Sorcerer red pill and never have to worry about assigning spells to spell slots again.
how about now ?
I STILL PRAY FOR OUR LORD GOD TO DELIVER YOU FROM YOUR PENTACLED WAYS
ok, can you do it by not bothering everyone else with it?
no because that's literally how the magic works
why do you think jesus needed 12 people to hear his stories?
It’s all of them
Look into the
Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram
>a stave
English be hard n sheeit, innit.
Does the logs need to be from a sustainable forestry or can I just use non-sustainable logs?
sho be, sho be, you fricking moron
trip a homie up it do
Ah, my bad, I don't speak Middle English.
personally i shut the frick up about things i know nothing about. you should try it, we'd all enjoy the quiet.
I know the meaning of those words in English as it was taught over the majority of the previous century. But I'm sure you know everything, never make mistakes and always admit them even if you have nothing to gain from it.
>stave
stave it off 1 2 3 and now you can count to 3
Hands for smaller spells, staff for the big flashy stuff.
A staff covered in trinkets with an open book at the end for me to read my incantations from, the incantation being to summon an animated sword and animated wand that both cast spells for me. And I guess I think really hard at some point
why can't they just sharpen the staff to make it a spear
I cast gun.
I pull the trigger
already been done
based outlaw star enjoyer
>every episode its the same exact 5 minute animation sequence where he chooses 3 bullets, loads them and then fires the gun to solve the problem
I thought the whole thing was a joke but they do the whole thing every episode
Aren't you thinking of Final Fantasy Unlimited?
i think a cool form of magic is purely the enchantment of any kind of item to turn it into a specialized catalyst.
>enchanted sword that can sling very pressurized, slicing winds when swung
>enchanted glove that can corrode metals, armors, etc
>enchanted lantern that can flashbang enemies in front of it
so basically the idea of a "mage" is just someone good at enchanting things, and enchanted items are fairly rare and highly sought after.
thanks for reading my autism
i chant the incantation VERY LOUDLY
Hand gestures + incantations.
Real magic doesn't work like that
reading the spell out loud is invoking the power of the demon you've pledged yourself to
making hand a specific hand movement while having the demon's sigil upon your hand also works i guess
wands are bullshit
magical trinkets that were bestowed upon someone also work (eg. the ring of solomon)
I use a fricking stuff like a proper wizard.
brain
i create an effigy of the target and apply a simulacrum of the effect i want on to it
i convince other people that my magic is real and they are the ones that give my magic its power
Neat
Incantation is the best, but only if it's a real language (especially Latin). Frick outta here with that gibberish bullshit.
DO O IA BAYONETTA. CNILA D COMSELHA ODO ANANAEL. FABOAN ZUMVI FAFEN NIIS. BLIOR HE PARADIZ
through misdirection and sleigh of hand i make it appear as if i have made something impossible happen
>fellow Mashlegay
hell yeah
Sacrificing animals.
Drawing a glyph
This is pretty. What is it?
not him but witch hat atelier, it's comfy
Witch Hat Atelier
Great manga with cute dughterfus, a very in depth magic system, neat creatures, and some intrigue
Witch Hat is cute and fun
no not that way
Depends on the spell
>archetypal male mage(wizard) is a wise mystic, studious and diligent, whose amazing powers come from hard work, purity of mind, body and soul, and who would rather spend his life trying to understand the mysteries of creation than use his immense power for personal gain
>archetypal female mage(witch) is an evil servant of Satan
Really joggins the noggin.
both are products of not getting laid
a woman literally just has to ask a few times and can get laid easily though. no matter how ugly or fat.
with a gun
No physical action needed, it just happens. Helps if the wizard is incredibly mad.
>BURN MY BOOKS, WILL YOU!?
>BURN MY BOOKS WILL YOU
STANDING HERE I REALIE
>HUAAAH BURRRNING PILAAAAAARRRRDAAAAH
*huge pillars of fire rise from the ground and like tendrils surround the opponent before clashing into him and blowing him
Bad guy: these flames… can’t contain… my RAGGGGGEEE
*blue flames explode from him evaporating the fire*
Bad guy: ILL BURN MORE THAN YOUR BOOKS OLD MAN
(Do you like it so far?)
Yeah kinda
Magic comes from eldritch, alien beings, who come from places where the laws of reality are different from the ones here.
Why does an ancient evil wizard holding the Necromicon's limitless power need to borrow sugar?
He wants to bake his grandson a cake 🙂
Asking the neighbor for some sugar is far less effort and risk than asking Sumerian demons for some.
and maybe the wizard just wants to bake a cake because he likes to bake?
>Magic is associated with (INT)elligence and (MIND)
>Giving away your attacks with blatant hand movements
Embarrassing. Same with The Force. If it really was meant to be a power beyond the physical, they should've just been able to cast spells without looking at the camera to do so.
Magic is magic. If there should be any arbitrary movements involved it should be as a distraction. Ain't gotta explain shit to the audience with gay ass finger twirls and incantations.
They can do that in Star Wars. Vader does that a lot. It's just easier to focus if you have a physical action that represents what you're doing with the force, like moving your hand.
>Vader does it a lot
No he doesn't. Regardless, if they can, why don't they?
magic is charisma-based, nerd. try being less ugly.
extremely handsome chad sorc who controls reality with his pure will vs ugly ass virgin wizard who has to study magic for like 50 years just to make his cantrips work
even in fantasy it's not fair
Wizards get more and better spells, nice trade-off
Plus sorcerers still suck ass at physicality and don't have any archetypes or subclasses that let them swing a sword without getting tired
Wizard wins like 75% of the time tho. If neither are prepared, then it's 50/50 since they're both equally powerful. If both have time to prepare, wizard wins 100% of the time because he has 20 times the amount of spells the sorc has.
>The virgin Int-caster spends most of his life locked away in study to learn basic spells
>The chad Cha-caster imposes his will on reality
>The transcendent gigachad Wis-caster simply observes his desired results
yeah easy to observe desired results when you're crutching on a patron get, get outta here cleric
~~!*THIS POST WAS SPONSORED BY THE WINDS OF MAGIC*!~~
You're too narrow minded anon
>be master wizard
>don't NEED hand signs
>do them anyway so that opponent thinks they've got your patterns down and can predict what spells you cast and when
>feint a spell the opponent expects only to cast another with only your mind and thus obliterate them by misleading their predictions
Visual media will always rely on actions like hand movements etc for magic and psychokinetic shit because they help communicate what is happening to an audience (of morons). In print media its much easier to describe internal mechanisms and the rationale of characters performing these actions, but with film it becomes confusing and difficult to understand when it occurs spontaneously. Japanese manga/anime relies on similar techniques in addition to characters literally describing out loud what they're about to do before doing in. Its all in service to the simpletons who consume media.
People use their hands for literally everything. It's how we manipulate the world around us. Art and literature as far back as the bible does this, when someone is "wielding" any sort of weapon or power it's with their hands.
Stop being a contrarian homosexual who thinks noticing something is common means it's bad or stupid.
i gather my will and say a single word
Hand movements
I always hate the idea of a wizard relying on an external tool to use magic.
Why not all of them for different kinds of magic or level of expertise?
Channeling through a trinket or weapon doesn't need the user to be magically attuned, using a focus item like a wand or staff for low level mages, and hand movements or sheer will for higher level mages.
Hand movements is the best one.
Saying the spell out loud is only acceptable if it's a chant that's literally phoning some sort of God or other higher power to rekt your enemies.
Magical trinkets are acceptable if the magic power is specifically stored inside the trinket in some way, is single use only and requires considerable effort to make.
Wand waving is never acceptable.
Name a game with a better and/or more varied magic system than Noita.
>check out how hard I can pee
this looks moronic
that's the life of sawblade users
I have 500 hours in Noita and what in the actual frick is he casting here?
spells
I will never understand how people can come up with shit like that in Noita. I have never even beaten the game. I always die by the time I reach the fricking ancient factory place because you can't fricking heal in the game outside of making some weird convoluted wands that you have to look up guides on the internet in order to even make, and get lucky to find the proper spells.
None. I just wish you could meaningfully interact with it without gitting gud
Personally, I chuck potions at the problem.
>not sneeding them instead
I use just my mind, I will it and it becomes so
wand and hand waving are the same, being able to make different circuits with your hand signs gives your spells more versatility but wands are better for focusing and aiming spells, plus they can come with their own enchantments
as for magical trinkets they are basically any trinket on which a spell has been written on
if you are good at incantation your can read the mana flow of magic trinkets and recite a copy of the spell, don't be shy to chant out loud, some of these engraved spells come with musical tones attached
Also
who the frick uses grimoires in this day an age? smart phones are smaller and can do the same thing but without consuming your mana reserves
>t. 50+ year old virgin elder wizard
For me, it's using hand motions BUT pretending that I'm chanting and using a wand and trinket to trick my opponents into thinking I need the rest of those things.
Somatic components for me. Also technically pointing your staff, but that's not as relevant.
It's a real shame nobody has managed to steal the elemental combos system. No tactics, no 3D action, no sandbox frick-around, nothing. Noita is fun, but it requires a certain brand of autism, while Magicka is pure indulgence.
I still can cast "lightning bolt" and "electro-arcane wall of death" in half a second, that's the sort of reflex that's rivaled only by San Andreas cheat codes.
P.S. Holy shit Paradox are massive israelites, imagine ""updating"" a game nearly a decade later just to add more DLC and frick up item system.
Staff in one hand
Book or elemental shield in the other
Freeze homies over and over in Stealing Creation
RS2 style
Magical Trinket > Wand = Hand Movements > Spoken
All your enemies have to do is gag you to stop spoken.
If you are tied up or injured you might not be able to perform the correct hand signs.
A wand is cringe as hell, and the first thing a sniper would shoot out of your hands.
A magical trinket is inconspicuous, it doesn't give away your secret making it much more difficult to defeat you.
That's not to say it's all powerful but it's better than the rest. User stupidity aside.
basic b***h fireball - hand gesture
Armageddon level spell - incantation
healing ? Not possible unless equal amount of life force is given, BLOOD IS POWER
Power stances
Reading the spell out loud, but only if it's lore accurate.
I fricking hate how Skyrim butchered the thu'um
singing
music is the ultimate magic
A four hour long ritual
how does me shitting cats magic?
If it can be 4 hours I can be 4 days, 4 hours is an unsatisfying middle ground.
>me watching my party members prepare my water enema so that I do not dehydrate during my 4 week zap preparation
BEHOLD! THE UNQUENCHABLE FIRE OF THE STARS!
Reading out loud = incantation/spell (if read like sentences or verses)
Hand gesture = sorcery
Magic wand = wizardry
Magical trinket = magic missile/beam
my meat wand can produce liquid. I know its not much but thats what I can do
Weave it with my mind.
rand uses a lot of hand-waving, asmodean dunks on him for it
I used Rand just to represent the magic system itself. Nothing about it REQUIRES hand gestures, you only need them if you were a dumbass and learned the weaves using them.
yet almost everyone uses them
Mostly just Wh*te T*wer morons.
You know, there's a certain unique flavour of magic from 80s that seems gone today.
Early MTG, Fighting Fantasy books, Talisman board game, and of course, countless marginally different spells that make up DnD's wizard. It might be just the art of prolific fantasy artists of the time, but something was certainly lost along the way. Being part of a concrete game system also means that every spell must have a concrete effect, and that contributed to the "toolbox" feel of prepared casters.
But there's so very few games that can support proper wizardry. Hardly anybody makes mechanically robust but focused games, it's either walled-off moviegames or dorfort-tier sims. And there are only marginally more CYOA games, which could deliver on the flavour or narrative front.
I guess my last point is that (you) should play Sorcery, digital adaptation of Steve Jackson's book. Nothing feels quite as good as finding the right spell for the job.
Thanks for reading my blogpost.
Swing my willy
Playing cards, secret dice rolls and pipe smoke signal spells
I just think and things happen
All of the above.
At the same time.
Casting magic trough poses is the coolest.
it's not magic, i'm just lucky
CIRCUITS
>1 day of nofap
>nofap
Go back, oh wait, you can't, please frick off somewhere else then.
I do not cast magic brother. It is Haram
Book and wand are best.
By mashing up candy tablets with a child's drawing of the element on them and throwing it at the target
Needing a wand/staff/book/trinket to use magic is lame
Best magic is when you can zap Black folk with your bare hands
What if I want to zap people of other races
Zap whoever you want my brother
Oversized wands, obviously.
Oh jeez.
all of them.
wizards, mages, sorcerers and thaumaturges.
Fire, Lightning, Arcane, Arcane, Acrane. Cast on sword.
A pen and paper
You forgot the part where you jerk off while looking at the sigil.
Anon you can't reveal high level magicks like that on a public forum
I don't? Magic isn't real.
You have been shadow cursed for eternity
Personally like hand motions but if I could I'd choose all of it to layer redundancies. Wand/staff broken? That's okay use my fingers as a focal point instead. Trinket broken? It will take longer but I can air-trace the sigils in it instead. Silenced and incapacitated? Then I really hope the contingency spell in my trinket still functions.
Making hand movements AND vocalizing specific sounds for each movement like in Nox is kino.
you just do.
frick these illogical requirements to cast magic
Full body movements.
I guess hand movements since snapping is technically one.
VITA
MORTIS
CAREO
PARGON
PARGON
ANTARBOK
PARGON
CHATTURGAH
REDGORMOR
PARGON
So happy magic eyes cancer died out.
EXPUROOOOSION
Reminder that Kukuri is superior to Megumin.
Why do we ally ourselves with pedophiles?
Kukuri is only a year younger than Megumin.
And?
That's extremely sexy.
If they're all viable options, here is how my magic system would work
>Book
For novice casters who haven't memorized their spells or just want reference for very specific instructions for rituals and such
>Wands
For quick or prolonged spells. The spells cast are pretty weak. Good to have in your back pocket
>Hand movements
For those are more experienced and for people who use them want a balanced approach. Generally they're jack of all trades, master of none
>Magical artifacts
Can have a range of options, from passive enchantments to being a focus point for your magic to shoot out of. Can also be cursed
>Staff
Real wizard shit. Big Fricking Spells.
I don't, magic is just another word for devilry.
Using my penis as a.wand
Rip off a nail or use some animal's foot so in other words, magical trinkets.
Chanting spells, even though I'm far too powerful to require it. It's just cool.
just casting them with your mind and theatrical gestures
otherwise giga warrior dude tank your shit spells and take away your catalyst or break your finger etc ez pz, youre useless without them
Why didn't I just snipe gigahomie from a mile away instead of standing in front of him like a moron
can your spells reach that far and that fast before he dodges?
Yes
All of the above
ENTER
yellow mages have to be the most bullshit thing about this game on your first run.
>see some homie dancing
>hehe he doesnt seem hostile
>lose arm
>huh?
>lose leg
epic
Yellow mages are complete pushovers when you realize they're weak as frick in melee. It's extremely fortunate there's never a combat situation where a yellow mage is hiding behind some homosexual tanking for it (because yellow mages have no friends).
Chanting, of course
what's the best type of chanting magic
type a:
>I summon thee, Lord of Flames, to grant onto me the almighty power of your blazing soul, so that I may incinerate my foes with the purifying embers of your essence!
type b:
>[kind of like the above but in an ancient/mystical language that nobody, maybe not even the caster, truly understands]
type c:
>Fireball!
type d:
>type c for quick spells but you can go type a to make them more powerful/effective
b
type e: the one where the chant is still an actual chant, unlike type c, but where your knowledge allows you to unexpectedly speed-hack it, one-upping your opponent.
Absolutely loved when they did that in Scrapped Princess.
> Idiot villain priest starts chanting super-complicated lightning spell that entreats god to smite his enemies, yada yada yada
> Protag's mage companion raises hand and whispers a short cantrip that fire-pillars his ass
> He keeps trying to cast his spell, being cast-interrupted and having his ass burned every time.
> Finally bails proclaiming protag's mage companion is cheating and that that's not how that spell is supposed to be cast
Depends on my mood.
trying to trace a heptagram midair under duress is no small matter i tell you what
>how do you cast magic Ganker?
i do a combination of everything, whatever i feel like at the moment because i'm a fricking wizard
floating orbs
ideally multiple that float behind you but i can't think of a good vidya example
Manipulating spiritual energy in the environment around me using my body as a conduit to focus and direct it.
Barehanded magic is obviously the best choice
Carpal tunnel.
Handmovements
>FLY O HOLY SWORD
>HA
>HYA
>BRILLIANT CATACLYSM
Hand movements >>>>>
Naruto hand seals were unironically cool af
Combination of these is always the best
for me, it's swords
For me, it's chanting/hand movements while giant circles filled with glyphs just start forming around me
With one of them scroll things like in my animes
alright, drew more
Music obviously.
I DO NOT PRAY TO THE GODS BECAUSE I HAVE FAITH THAT THE LORD'S PLAN WILL ACCOUNT FOR THE TRIALS I AM ABOUT TO ENCOUNTER, THROUGH FAITH, NOT PRAYER, I UTILISE THE STORY GOD HAS FOREWRITTEN FOR ME
Advanced masturbation
Battle of Wits. Trying to break each other's concentration rather than blasting each other with spells is my jam.
The wizards are such masters of their craft that they possess all the knowledge and tools to counter almost any magic known in their worlds so the battle comes from predicting on what the other will do first. The actual battle should only happen in a few seconds. Basically this.
gun that shoots magic
hands + incantation
Yes
Orb Bros?