>only gameplay matters >posts Crystal Slopject as his example
The dev clearly didn't actually play FFV/FFT/FFX-2 to understand why the gameplay of job system oriented JRPGs is fun then.
One of the best western made jrpgs is absolute woke shit - Star Renegades. The combat system is fricking sublime but everything else is quippy marvel garbage. Produced by the canadian government, not less. I both love it and hate it.
It only fails the linear story point since for some reason collecting a group of friends is listed together with battling monsters. It's made in Japan and you're playing as a named character.
If a JRPG doesn't need to be from Japan, stop calling it JRPG and start calling it Turn-based RPG
JRPG is a non-genre child of RPG which is also a non-genre
A game that allows for decision making that changes the story and was made by the japanese.
This of course, means at least 90% of Jarpigs aren't JRPGs.
>JRPG
It's "just" an rpg. A story based game with many variant gameplay styles that include turnbased, chess like tactics or action elements. If there are towns, you talk to people, and you fight, it's an RPG.
>WRPG
dull brown, hyperreal kinda deals where folks self insert, they are usually either 3rd person, first person, or 3/4 view from overhead. They almost always action or point and click.
By that logic then RTWP is just turn-based that's dynamic. Which is just as true. The menu format just pranks you.
Saying JRPGs have to be turn-based is identical to saying CRPGs have to be RTWP. There are as many examples that don't fit it as there are examples that do.
>console rpgs
That makes the distinction between console and computer which fricks up the acronyms - everyone already calls infinity engine descended games crpgs.
>How do you define "JRPG"?
You don't. You know it when you see it.
Think of how difficult it is to define something like "jazz". If you ask "what is jazz?" to seven people, you will get seven different explanations. There are a bunch of different "jazz" artists. Benny Goodman. Louis Armstrong. Those two sounds very different. Miles David sounds really different from both of them. Miles David plays in four distinct subgenres of jazz. He played bebop, big band, cool jazz, avant-garde, and fusion stuff. Even played pop focused stuff in the 80s. If you tell someone that Miles David playing Cyndi Lauper in the 80s is the same genre as Birth of the Cool, people are not going to understand how they are similar. There are different instruments, different structures, different approaches, different costumes. The only thing they have in common is a trumpet. The lowest common denominator of jazz that you can land on is improvisation. That is the most broad and robust definition of jazz as you can get. As broad of a definition that is, that still excludes some things like Benny Goodman. Benny Goodman was famous for playing canned solos. That is, he did not improvise. He played the same solo he worked out every single night. There have been lots of jazz players over the years who played canned solos, so are they not jazz players? No. They're playing solos that are intended to sound like improvisation. Now we have a problem with that "robust definition" that was supposed to include all forms of jazz. We have another problem, which is that definition includes things that are not jazz. Black Sabbath would be jazz by the definition of jazz being the improvisation of music. You face a similar issue with trying to define genres of literature. Or JRPGs.
Only gameplay matters.
>only gameplay matters
>posts Crystal Slopject as his example
The dev clearly didn't actually play FFV/FFT/FFX-2 to understand why the gameplay of job system oriented JRPGs is fun then.
One of the best western made jrpgs is absolute woke shit - Star Renegades. The combat system is fricking sublime but everything else is quippy marvel garbage. Produced by the canadian government, not less. I both love it and hate it.
You can't create a character.
You play a linear story.
You collect a group of friends/battle monsters
It's made in Japan.
If it fails one or more of those criteria, it is not a JRPG.
Black Souls 2 is not a JRPG then, it fails three of those.
It only fails the linear story point since for some reason collecting a group of friends is listed together with battling monsters. It's made in Japan and you're playing as a named character.
You can create characters in FF1, 3 and DQ3.
Than they are all wrpgs.
Jarpig*
You play as a femboy protagonist who goes on an adventure to get with the hot girl but you get cucked every time.
RPG that comes from Japan
If a JRPG doesn't need to be from Japan, stop calling it JRPG and start calling it Turn-based RPG
JRPG is a non-genre child of RPG which is also a non-genre
By this logic Fallout is closer to Final Fantasy than to Baldurs Gate.
And? Both are turn based. Real difference is that FF is a console RPG and Fallout is a CRPG
>if people fry potatoes outside of france stop calling it french fries
This is the level of autism you operate on, anon.
A game that allows for decision making that changes the story and was made by the japanese.
This of course, means at least 90% of Jarpigs aren't JRPGs.
numbers go up + made in Japan
Quite simple, they're 'not RPGs'.
If it's not four-homies-in-a-row it's not a jrpg. Must be exactly four homies 100% in a row. No exceptions.
valid
The rpgs with menu combat. You know exactly what this means. There are other names for that other bullshit, stop being a homosexual.
JRPG = high quality game.
first column, second row, ffvi
>JRPG
It's "just" an rpg. A story based game with many variant gameplay styles that include turnbased, chess like tactics or action elements. If there are towns, you talk to people, and you fight, it's an RPG.
>WRPG
dull brown, hyperreal kinda deals where folks self insert, they are usually either 3rd person, first person, or 3/4 view from overhead. They almost always action or point and click.
Must be made in Japan and must have rpg gameplay
in a literal sense just an rpg from japan
more accurately 3-6 homies in a row kicking the shit out of monsters in turn based combat
>in turn based combat
So ATB Final Fantasy games are not JRPGs?
no homie don't frick with the formula
let me wait my fricking turn and not have to play in real time
isnt it still technically turn based, just the turns are dynamic?
I think people conflate turn based with the menu presentation of combat. It is the menu based inputs and the slow leisurely pace that people liked.
By that logic then RTWP is just turn-based that's dynamic. Which is just as true. The menu format just pranks you.
Saying JRPGs have to be turn-based is identical to saying CRPGs have to be RTWP. There are as many examples that don't fit it as there are examples that do.
made in japan
any other definition is mutt seethe and cope
should just call them console rpgs
>console rpgs
That makes the distinction between console and computer which fricks up the acronyms - everyone already calls infinity engine descended games crpgs.
>How do you define "JRPG"?
You don't. You know it when you see it.
Think of how difficult it is to define something like "jazz". If you ask "what is jazz?" to seven people, you will get seven different explanations. There are a bunch of different "jazz" artists. Benny Goodman. Louis Armstrong. Those two sounds very different. Miles David sounds really different from both of them. Miles David plays in four distinct subgenres of jazz. He played bebop, big band, cool jazz, avant-garde, and fusion stuff. Even played pop focused stuff in the 80s. If you tell someone that Miles David playing Cyndi Lauper in the 80s is the same genre as Birth of the Cool, people are not going to understand how they are similar. There are different instruments, different structures, different approaches, different costumes. The only thing they have in common is a trumpet. The lowest common denominator of jazz that you can land on is improvisation. That is the most broad and robust definition of jazz as you can get. As broad of a definition that is, that still excludes some things like Benny Goodman. Benny Goodman was famous for playing canned solos. That is, he did not improvise. He played the same solo he worked out every single night. There have been lots of jazz players over the years who played canned solos, so are they not jazz players? No. They're playing solos that are intended to sound like improvisation. Now we have a problem with that "robust definition" that was supposed to include all forms of jazz. We have another problem, which is that definition includes things that are not jazz. Black Sabbath would be jazz by the definition of jazz being the improvisation of music. You face a similar issue with trying to define genres of literature. Or JRPGs.
SaGa Frontier is like an improvised role-playing game.
Jazz is sound made with instruments that is not music because it is arythmic.
Most jazz is not arrythmic.
Status portraits.
>that chart, jesus christ
Have people always been this stupid and I just didn't notice?
>Game must have similar aesthetic to Japanese games
= "Dark Souls is a WRPG"
It is, and South Park: The Stick of Truth is a JRPG.
good question.
I always wondered if this is a JRPG.
made by burgers, not JRPG