I legitimately look to this meme for campaign inspiration. An evil wizard or fallen hero who wants to open a gate to hell because he just misses his friends is a cool concept.
Ironically I now hear people say they're getting tired of understandable villains and just want more pure evil for the sake of ''it's fun to be evil'' villains
Because like anything good that got popular, it's now been done a thousand times in wildly varying levels of quality, by people who may or may not understand what made it good in the first place. I love a good morally grey setting with questionable characters, but I'm also fairly sick of them and have a serious hankering for something more direct, since we've had so much of that by now.
The problem never changed.
Stories are still poorly written, but now there is a shitton of poorly written villains that are several degrees of simply being evil, but the author keeps trying to frame it as some grand villain that is morally gray and/or needs to be saved.
What would a Fantasy Florida campaign be like? How would a wacky setting like this work? And how can I make it funny?
>Interstellar Immigration fan-translation stopped because it's getting official English publication >offical English publication stuck at volume 2 >Tara-san not getting fan translations at all >no update on Mugen-chan in months >apparently he(?) now started work on some TSF doujin instead
argh, just pick one thing and stick with it
A vigilante that tries to keep collateral damage to a reasonable minimum.
I like this guy's drawing style. It doesn't look too professional, but has a tiny bit of amateurishness to it that gives it a comfy aesthetic to it. Except it seems when this guy wants it to be serious. That's talent.
>What would a Fantasy Florida campaign be like?
Strictly fantasy? Florida is cursed since ancient times due to proximity to the bermuda triangle because of an indian warlock who used its ambient energy to battle the spanish conquerors, he may be long gone but the magical taint is not. >How would a wacky setting like this work?
Florida has surprisingly efficient government obsessed with a well run administration in contrast with the moronic population and cursed landscape, the government themselves are aware of the curse and have fanatical anti-Satanic priests to keep it at bay around the parts of Tallahassee that matter. >And how can I make it funny?
Stealing news articles from florida local news, with a number of cameos from other notables such as Ohio Man, the New Hampshire hermit, the Montana Mutant Clone Man and other CURSED characters.
I was part of one back when I lived in Daytona. It was fantasy/post-apocalyptic. The various lands included the Kingdom of Vulbravia, led by a Tortel king and based out of Disney World, conclaves of gatormen in the swamps, cattle barons in the west, Dwarves to the north, merchant barons to the south, a bunch of gnomes trying to get Kennedy Space Center back up and running, and the most vile hive of scum and villainy I've ever witnessed in my decades of gaming, Jacksonville
>over 2 hours ago
Still here?
It is from Tokyo Interstellar Immigration by Mado. Mado is a bit of a meme on /tg/ filename threads where someone has to post a pic from one of Mado's works sometimes from his hentai too
>Interstellar Immigration fan-translation stopped because it's getting official English publication >offical English publication stuck at volume 2 >Tara-san not getting fan translations at all >no update on Mugen-chan in months >apparently he(?) now started work on some TSF doujin instead
argh, just pick one thing and stick with it
that page is from 2022
but this one
https://madoguchimoto.fanbox.cc/posts/7652562
is from March 23rd, 2024, and I don't read moon but "TSF" feels pretty indicative
Not really, he is motivated by just general distain for injustice in original novels and most adaptations. Diego is able to be above suspicion exactly because nobody would ever think that a sheltered and pansy upper class goofball like him would have either abilities or any reason to be a vigilante.
Mask of Zorro and Legend of Zorro films are exceptions and focus on a new guy as Zorro anyways.
Point anon is making, I think, is per Gygax, Lawful Good characters do not countenance evil laws. You don't become Chaotic by virtue of opposing tyrants.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I think, is per Gygax, Lawful Good characters do not countenance evil laws.
Was Lawful Good even a thing under Gygax? I thought the axis was still just Lawful/Chaotic/Neutral, as in Three Hearts And Three Lions.
But anyway, at least in the live action show, Don Alejandro tried to act (and trusted way too much) through the law to avoid Anarchy, until he found out the governor was an imposter or something like that, while Don Diego was acting like a wanted "bandit" to uphold justice.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Was Lawful Good even a thing under Gygax
It was. He has some forum post he made on this question, but I don't have it on this device.
No. You're probably thinking of the Mask of Zorro, which is a partial adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo, which is a revenge story (and actually touches on the consequences of unchecked hatred for people who wrong you).
The original movie and most stories are like
Not really, he is motivated by just general distain for injustice in original novels and most adaptations. Diego is able to be above suspicion exactly because nobody would ever think that a sheltered and pansy upper class goofball like him would have either abilities or any reason to be a vigilante.
Mask of Zorro and Legend of Zorro films are exceptions and focus on a new guy as Zorro anyways.
says, Zorro fights against thuggish soldiers, scumbag officers, and shitty politicians.
you don't, if you try to do any alignment well you automatically fail at the outset, only if you don't think alignment at all is it possible to do it well, and at that point you're literally not doing it
>Fricks around >Finds out >Does actually nothing good on the process
Chaotic neutral at best
Chaotic stupid, can’t into lightbulb or space
>leftists seethe about poland because they hate lgbt, germany, immigration and commies and are fairly catholic >rightwingers seethe about poland because they hate russia, were awarded with parts of germany and generally think the EU is a good idea despite all its UDSSR-shenanigans
Right wingers generally just like Poland. Only brown third world “right wingers” support Russia, and Poland getting German land after ww2 isn’t really their fault and modern g*rmany doesn’t deserve that land anyway, they’d just quickly fill it with as many Muslims as possible
"The Tomes" does a decent job of pointing out that alignment is really silly in D&D. The only consistent thing it tells you is which cosmic team you are on and who you are allowed to be friends with. If you play certain classes, you aren't allowed to have certain kinds of classes. Past that, the labels are dumb. Maybe your table is made up of your church friends who all agree on what the alignment words mean, but in general, alignment should only give you a prewritten friends and enemies list.
"The ends justify the means." It doesn't matter what they did could be seen as wrong, they going to do it for the good of the town/nation/world. That and/or a personal vendetta. Especially against a "Evil" group. The basic idea should be the "Mission comes first." Not the person
The """Evil""" overlord wants to bring about a republic where one person = one vote, to end the systematic genocide of Orcs & Goblins by Men, Elves and Dwarves, and secure legal equality for all.
Some of the classic Chaotic Good archetypes are >The Robin Hood >The Righteous Vigilante (typically motivated by revenge but not sadistic like the Punisher or smtg) >The Rogue With a Heart of Gold (if self-interested) >The Revolutionary with a Heart of Gold (if socially motivated) >The Morally Good, Legally Dubious Defense Attorney (E.g. think Saul Goodman at his ‘best’) >Arguably, some forms of the Benevolent Dictator (e.g. the king who ignores court procedures or bureaucracy or feudal customs to reach down through the system to help out the common man, ‘man of the people’ despised by the elites)
>The Righteous Vigilante (typically motivated by revenge but not sadistic like the Punisher or smtg)
Frank isn't particularly sadistic usually, he's a good example of CG.
By being a vigilante type. Frick the law and frick what anyone else thinks, you are going to do the right thing and do it your way. The key difference between chaotic good and chaotic neutral would be the line they draw at hurting the innocent. Chaotic neutral would gladly mow through them for the greater good but chaotic good would try to avoid it to the best of their abilities and if they end up doing so anyways, it would weigh on their conscience.
Lynn Feroe, called “Lynn the Scoundrel'' by his detractors, was born into a pampered existence as the recognized bastard son of his upper class father. He is a well-known habitual gambler with a fondness for drink and women. Devilishly handsome and charming, Lynn has broken the heart of many a young lady. An arrogant man full of flair with a talent for the dramatic, Lynn makes a point of always proving himself right. Lynn is always the first to jump at the chance to defend the honor of a lady in combat. This has led him to be thought of as self-righteous by some. He holds his personal honor in very high-esteem and is quick to defend himself against any and all slander. It is wise to never trust a word out of Lynn Feroe’s mouth as he is a braggart and a compulsive liar. Although not without his flaws, Lynn’s heart can be said to be set in the right place and he can often be seen protecting the helpless and defenseless from unfair malice and injustice. Whilst he may be a little out of touch, Lynn considers himself as a hero of the disenfranchised and shows great passion and determination when doing what he believes to be right.
>villains whose motivation is hard to find fault with and is arguably better than the protagonists.
I legitimately look to this meme for campaign inspiration. An evil wizard or fallen hero who wants to open a gate to hell because he just misses his friends is a cool concept.
Ironically I now hear people say they're getting tired of understandable villains and just want more pure evil for the sake of ''it's fun to be evil'' villains
Because like anything good that got popular, it's now been done a thousand times in wildly varying levels of quality, by people who may or may not understand what made it good in the first place. I love a good morally grey setting with questionable characters, but I'm also fairly sick of them and have a serious hankering for something more direct, since we've had so much of that by now.
The problem never changed.
Stories are still poorly written, but now there is a shitton of poorly written villains that are several degrees of simply being evil, but the author keeps trying to frame it as some grand villain that is morally gray and/or needs to be saved.
What would a Fantasy Florida campaign be like? How would a wacky setting like this work? And how can I make it funny?
I like this guy's drawing style. It doesn't look too professional, but has a tiny bit of amateurishness to it that gives it a comfy aesthetic to it. Except it seems when this guy wants it to be serious. That's talent.
>What would a Fantasy Florida campaign be like?
Strictly fantasy? Florida is cursed since ancient times due to proximity to the bermuda triangle because of an indian warlock who used its ambient energy to battle the spanish conquerors, he may be long gone but the magical taint is not.
>How would a wacky setting like this work?
Florida has surprisingly efficient government obsessed with a well run administration in contrast with the moronic population and cursed landscape, the government themselves are aware of the curse and have fanatical anti-Satanic priests to keep it at bay around the parts of Tallahassee that matter.
>And how can I make it funny?
Stealing news articles from florida local news, with a number of cameos from other notables such as Ohio Man, the New Hampshire hermit, the Montana Mutant Clone Man and other CURSED characters.
I was part of one back when I lived in Daytona. It was fantasy/post-apocalyptic. The various lands included the Kingdom of Vulbravia, led by a Tortel king and based out of Disney World, conclaves of gatormen in the swamps, cattle barons in the west, Dwarves to the north, merchant barons to the south, a bunch of gnomes trying to get Kennedy Space Center back up and running, and the most vile hive of scum and villainy I've ever witnessed in my decades of gaming, Jacksonville
Pic related was the GM's map
Mobile homes and meth-heads.
You level up through bum fights and doing more meth.
>florda man
>Boston Patriots tattoo
Of course, that only adds to the florda man energy tbf.
What kind of villain would picrel be?
A vigilante that tries to keep collateral damage to a reasonable minimum.
Alright, I'll bite. sauce?
>over 2 hours ago
Still here?
It is from Tokyo Interstellar Immigration by Mado. Mado is a bit of a meme on /tg/ filename threads where someone has to post a pic from one of Mado's works sometimes from his hentai too
Thanks Anon. You a real one.
That's the wrong reaction image. I meant to send this one. Whoops.
>Interstellar Immigration fan-translation stopped because it's getting official English publication
>offical English publication stuck at volume 2
>Tara-san not getting fan translations at all
>no update on Mugen-chan in months
>apparently he(?) now started work on some TSF doujin instead
argh, just pick one thing and stick with it
>apparently he(?) now started work on some TSF doujin instead
Isn't that on hiatus?
that page is from 2022
but this one
https://madoguchimoto.fanbox.cc/posts/7652562
is from March 23rd, 2024, and I don't read moon but "TSF" feels pretty indicative
>>no update on Mugen-chan in months
updated yesterday, happy easter
By doing what's outlined in the game's established terms for "Chaotic" and "Good".
Do you always answer simple questions like an obscure moron?
Make Zorro but in your setting.
Isn't Zorro motivated by his own personal vendetta?
Not really, he is motivated by just general distain for injustice in original novels and most adaptations. Diego is able to be above suspicion exactly because nobody would ever think that a sheltered and pansy upper class goofball like him would have either abilities or any reason to be a vigilante.
Mask of Zorro and Legend of Zorro films are exceptions and focus on a new guy as Zorro anyways.
Isn't that Batman?
This sounds lawful good? LG people fight corrupt and evil laws and their enforcers as fundamental injustices.
Don Alejandro, Zorro's dad, was the Lawful Good one.
Point anon is making, I think, is per Gygax, Lawful Good characters do not countenance evil laws. You don't become Chaotic by virtue of opposing tyrants.
>I think, is per Gygax, Lawful Good characters do not countenance evil laws.
Was Lawful Good even a thing under Gygax? I thought the axis was still just Lawful/Chaotic/Neutral, as in Three Hearts And Three Lions.
But anyway, at least in the live action show, Don Alejandro tried to act (and trusted way too much) through the law to avoid Anarchy, until he found out the governor was an imposter or something like that, while Don Diego was acting like a wanted "bandit" to uphold justice.
>Was Lawful Good even a thing under Gygax
It was. He has some forum post he made on this question, but I don't have it on this device.
No. You're probably thinking of the Mask of Zorro, which is a partial adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo, which is a revenge story (and actually touches on the consequences of unchecked hatred for people who wrong you).
The original movie and most stories are like
says, Zorro fights against thuggish soldiers, scumbag officers, and shitty politicians.
Depends on how a moron interprets chaotic and good.
Easy.
you don't, if you try to do any alignment well you automatically fail at the outset, only if you don't think alignment at all is it possible to do it well, and at that point you're literally not doing it
Also every romanticized pirate character.
simple. find the places where the established order is immoral, and disrupt it
>Fricks around
>Finds out
>Does actually nothing good on the process
Chaotic neutral at best
Ah yes, my favourite way of fricking around. Existing near a country that broke it's treaty and a country that decided they want a new ideology.
It took the Soviet and Nazi alliance working together to pull it off, too. The Soviets tried alone and got utterly raped.
It's kinda weird how many people forget that the Nazis and Soviets were friends. The Soviets played a key role in arming and equipping the Nazis.
No, fricking around is their constant opportunistic landgrabs which result in all their neighbors coming to conclusion that Poland shouldn't exist.
Chaotic stupid, can’t into lightbulb or space
>leftists seethe about poland because they hate lgbt, germany, immigration and commies and are fairly catholic
>rightwingers seethe about poland because they hate russia, were awarded with parts of germany and generally think the EU is a good idea despite all its UDSSR-shenanigans
Comedy.
Right wingers generally just like Poland. Only brown third world “right wingers” support Russia, and Poland getting German land after ww2 isn’t really their fault and modern g*rmany doesn’t deserve that land anyway, they’d just quickly fill it with as many Muslims as possible
>Only brown third world “right wingers” support Russia,
Delusional. The whole Republican party supports Russia.
Law = Dog
Chaos = Cat
Neutral = Goldfish
True Neutral = Capybara
Do good things without much regard for the rules or law. Not sure what else there is to discuss.
You can;t get anymore Chaotic Good than Jesse James!
Is it the Anniversary of the James Gang getting dusted by Minnesotans or something?
"The Tomes" does a decent job of pointing out that alignment is really silly in D&D. The only consistent thing it tells you is which cosmic team you are on and who you are allowed to be friends with. If you play certain classes, you aren't allowed to have certain kinds of classes. Past that, the labels are dumb. Maybe your table is made up of your church friends who all agree on what the alignment words mean, but in general, alignment should only give you a prewritten friends and enemies list.
Ignore/break unfair laws and conventions to do what benifits others the most.
Damn, that's trash b8. But you got your (You).
"The ends justify the means." It doesn't matter what they did could be seen as wrong, they going to do it for the good of the town/nation/world. That and/or a personal vendetta. Especially against a "Evil" group. The basic idea should be the "Mission comes first." Not the person
You can’t
Basically all your actions (regardless of the motivation behind them) bring better benefits to the general population than the actions of the heroes.
The """Evil""" overlord wants to bring about a republic where one person = one vote, to end the systematic genocide of Orcs & Goblins by Men, Elves and Dwarves, and secure legal equality for all.
I mean I guess if those groups are real people and not inherently evil or anything, it's time for some John Brown shit
>and not inherently evil or anything
Yeeeeah that's where the whole thing falls apart...
If they're inherently evil then he's not chaotic good or an "evil" overlord, now is he? He's just a regular evil overlord
John brown was evil though, he was basically a mass murderer serial killer who virtue signaled as an excuse
If you think that you are Chaotic Good, chances are you aren't CG.
Elminster is Chaotic Good and has a frickton of backstory. Read a book, watch a YouTube video. Hell, so is Drizzt. A wealth of Chaotic Good.
Eat ass.
Some of the classic Chaotic Good archetypes are
>The Robin Hood
>The Righteous Vigilante (typically motivated by revenge but not sadistic like the Punisher or smtg)
>The Rogue With a Heart of Gold (if self-interested)
>The Revolutionary with a Heart of Gold (if socially motivated)
>The Morally Good, Legally Dubious Defense Attorney (E.g. think Saul Goodman at his ‘best’)
>Arguably, some forms of the Benevolent Dictator (e.g. the king who ignores court procedures or bureaucracy or feudal customs to reach down through the system to help out the common man, ‘man of the people’ despised by the elites)
Slick Defense Attorney getting me thinking about a fun idea for a bard character
>The Righteous Vigilante (typically motivated by revenge but not sadistic like the Punisher or smtg)
Frank isn't particularly sadistic usually, he's a good example of CG.
By being a vigilante type. Frick the law and frick what anyone else thinks, you are going to do the right thing and do it your way. The key difference between chaotic good and chaotic neutral would be the line they draw at hurting the innocent. Chaotic neutral would gladly mow through them for the greater good but chaotic good would try to avoid it to the best of their abilities and if they end up doing so anyways, it would weigh on their conscience.
McNulty from the Wire
I hate this but you're right. Fricking McNulty.
Here's a CG Character I wrote a backstory for.
Lynn Feroe, called “Lynn the Scoundrel'' by his detractors, was born into a pampered existence as the recognized bastard son of his upper class father. He is a well-known habitual gambler with a fondness for drink and women. Devilishly handsome and charming, Lynn has broken the heart of many a young lady. An arrogant man full of flair with a talent for the dramatic, Lynn makes a point of always proving himself right. Lynn is always the first to jump at the chance to defend the honor of a lady in combat. This has led him to be thought of as self-righteous by some. He holds his personal honor in very high-esteem and is quick to defend himself against any and all slander. It is wise to never trust a word out of Lynn Feroe’s mouth as he is a braggart and a compulsive liar. Although not without his flaws, Lynn’s heart can be said to be set in the right place and he can often be seen protecting the helpless and defenseless from unfair malice and injustice. Whilst he may be a little out of touch, Lynn considers himself as a hero of the disenfranchised and shows great passion and determination when doing what he believes to be right.
>compulsive liar and habitual gambler, drunk, and adulterer
Chaotic Neutral at best.
>chaotic good
no such thing
Yup, that's CG alright
Gambling and drinking isn't "evil" by itself at all.
>Gambling and drinking isn't "evil" by itself at all.