>Mary Sue >Fails at literally every goal she has >Doesn’t overcome her shortcomings in game, just accepts them and works to improve
How is Lillie a Mary Sue again? Just because all the characters like her? Oh, except her mother and a lot of team Skull
She’s the deuteragonist, of course she’s prominent. I really enjoyed seeing her grow and mature though out the story and am proud of her for finding the confidence to go on her own adventure in Kanto
>kieran >lillie >hop >bede >a bunch of other forgettable rivals
Pokemon has a lot of "anti-Mari Sue" characters, that fail at everything they try to achieve. Is there a term for that?
She’s the deuteragonist, of course she’s prominent. I really enjoyed seeing her grow and mature though out the story and am proud of her for finding the confidence to go on her own adventure in Kanto
>Is there a term for that?
Non-Protagonists.
Ohmori desperately wants to make characters with protagonist-level ambitions, but because YOU'RE already the protagonist, they either have to have their ambitions crushed so they find a more humble and out of the way life to live, or they leave everything to you because you're so talented and amazing.
Kieran is a that guy in an ntr doujin that gets ntrd.
Until he snaps and realizes nothing he will do can succeed and swallowing the black pill he becomes part of the Paranoia Agent opening.
Legends: Arceus did a pretty decent job establishing what a kiddie-friendly horror Pokemon game could be. Good enough character development, while keeping the focus on mysterious monsters (which Pokemon should always be, not your run-of-the-mill animals). Hopefully Legends: PIZZA will continue the precedent.
Since it was coupled with genuinely much better character writing, I like it. Characters as good as Arven and Kieran couldn't have existed in past games.
I agree. Pre-SV, I'd have said the growing focus on the human characters was annoying and misplaced, but I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked the interactions the SV companions, and I genuinely wish there were more opportunities to interact with them/get to know more about them now.
Since it was coupled with genuinely much better character writing, I like it. Characters as good as Arven and Kieran couldn't have existed in past games.
These. Emphasis on characters is at its best when it's a supplement to a good game with good writing. We haven't had that since BW so I was pleasantly surprised at how well Gen 9 is pulling it off.
>wish Lillie's ended as quickly as hers so she could shut the frick up and let me explore.
Holly fricking based, I knew I wasn't the only one on this godforsaken board.
As someone who's pretty new to this board in particular, I already can't stand it. How do you frickers stay sane reading such utterly pointless arguments for years on end?
I think it's fine as long as it doesn't substantially takes away from other parts of the core game. I think SM would have been perfect games if there was a skip button and made a lot of the character development optional. I love immersing myself in Pokemon games so I would have seeked out all the story element anyways, but it puts a sour taste in the mouth of people that aren't into that or doing a play through for the 100th time.
I don't care about Pokemon and the mysteries of their world, I want to have the option to hug (& dick down) Kieran NOW
I want mysterious Pokémon lore AND I want to hug a character I would at least give half a frick about instead of no fricks given like the Ohmori directed visual novel garbage called games have spewed out since Gen 7!
SwSh's story was so bad that it made me think that Pokémon should just stop trying to write a story. SV completely changed my mind.
SV didn't only have great character writing (which SwSh attempted, but came out extremely half-assed), it also did a great job setting up the mysteries of Paldea, Area Zero and Terapagos, even if the latter was a bit disappointing. Which is why I don't get the pic in , why not have both? Why not have the mysteries have a close connection to the characters? Why not unravel those mysteries and making friends along the way?
I think SV did a pretty good job at this, I enjoyed it a lot. But it's being very much held back by the presentation. I don't only mean the bad graphics and performance, I also mean character animations. Stuff like characters still move really robotically by shuffling their feet when turning to you before speaking really hurts the presentation now that the focus on characters is so much bigger. They really need to work on that.
>explain the ancient pokemon world
How else are they supposed shoehorn in Pikachu in the land of fossil Pokemon before they sadly went extinct? Frick Pikachu, I want my herds upon herds of Amaura and Aurorus in a snowy tundra.
Not ALL Pokemon originate from space, but since the very beginning they've been hinting that Pokemon owe a lot of their attributes to spaceborne influence. Clefairy being alleged ayys who rely on the Moon Stone to become more powerful (which in turn can also affect multiple Pokemon that originate from earth) is a real notable one, and that's just Gen 1.
The Clefairy line, Starmie broadcasting radio waves into space to "communicate with something", Elgyem arriving from a UFO crash, Deoxys in general, Ultra Beasts in general. There's multiple references to Pokemon with origins outside Earth.
I hate it. I do not play pokemon for the human characters and I doubt many people do, they are by and large not well written or interesting in any way. The pokemon themselves are the draw of the series and yet they want to dodge this for some reason.
I did like Kieran, but it was a freak accident and I do not expect it to happen again. Just stop
The characterization aspect was always there, it was a little simplified because they didn't use cutscenes, but I mean, like you clearly understood that Mr. Fuji deeply cared about Pokemon, or that Giovanni was a ruthless tyrant, or that Gary Oak was a jackass.
Those are characterizations, but they're not character arcs. SV and its DLCs showed that there's a lot of value in seeing characters develop in interesting ways.
[...]
I want mysterious Pokémon lore AND I want to hug a character I would at least give half a frick about instead of no fricks given like the Ohmori directed visual novel garbage called games have spewed out since Gen 7!
You only care about characters that have no substance?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Oh, it's moronic.
What gave that away, the brain damage?
It was great in Sun and Moon because they were engaging and the plot was very cohesive.
In Sword and Shield there's nothing, and in Scarlet and Violet there's still nothing.
I don't like how they've been handling it.
All for the human characters getting more focus but the recent games are doing it in such terrible ways. I could not care less about Kieran, Arven, and Penny. Nemona is the only one who actually feels like a friend and even she’s not that great. As
said, Gen 7 did it much better.
>It was great in Sun and Moon because they were engaging and the plot was very cohesive.
Except the fact that Sun and Moon were literal movies.
Pokemon isn't made for storytelling, period, focus on gameplay, on battling specifically.
/thread
No idea who plays Pokemon to beat the bad guy and get the 8 badges for the 20th time.
Honestly, a Pokemon focused on PvP would be the best right now.
>focus on gameplay, on battling specifically.
The games do do that though, at least as far as core gameplay goes. Game engine needs a lot more work under the hood but I don't think pointing the finger at the choice to be more story driven is to blame.
They just recognize that they have to make the games more accessible to children since exploiting ignorance to the type chart (aka making the game feel like homework) isn't fair, which is why games since Sun/Moon give players hints at what moves will work best after battling a Pokémon once. The stories are just framing devices to show what a region and the Pokémon in it are about because the technology is there for it and they don't have to rely on the anime to expand on a game's story anymore since the games don't have to be simplistic anymore.
SV by its very nature as a (failed) open world had to sacrifice its story and characters for the player to have any sort of freedom expected in the genre.
Gladion gets a character arc about his mother, type null, and stops being such an edgy little shit for example, while Arven is the same from start to finish but his dog gets better.
>while Arven is the same from start to finish but his dog gets better.
What? Did we play the same fricking game?
First time you meet Arven, he almost literally tells you to frick off. He comes off as abrasive and hostile and clearly knows more than he admits. Then later, you meet him at the cafeteria, where he literally bribes you. From that is becomes very clear that he's hiding something from you. His abrasive side is still sometimes visible like after the second titan where he yells at the Raidon, but he also slowly starts opening up to you and shows you the vulnerable side of him that he was clearly hiding from you.
He then continues growing attached to you, to the point where he gets jealous of your other friends and considering you his best friend. He also learns how to deal with the fact that his parent is dead - which he was aware of but didn't want to admit to himself. He converts his feelings of grief into anger towards his parent until he accepts the truth and moves on.
How is that not an arc? He completely changed his attitude towards you and his parent.
That's not an arc, you're describing a quest line and summarizing gameplay and thinking there's character growth at all.
Fricking Kieran and Carmine have arcs and they're minuscule, but this guy?
I get you have buyer's remorse from likely blowing $95 on a dogshit game but come on now.
I pirated it. You're insane if you think Arven has no arc. He significantly changes as a person.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A dog is not a personality trait.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
His dog has very little to do with his development, it's just a plot device. This story is about opening up to (You) and dealing with his problems and emotions in a healthier way.
Starting to think you're just pretending to be moronic with how obtuse you're being.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>His dog has very little to do with his development, it's just a plot device.
This. It could've been replaced by almost any other Pokémon and the story would've been the same.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This story is about opening up to (You) and dealing with his problems and emotions in a healthier way
Except it's not, because that's just dumped on you at the end. Exposition is not a personality.
See Kieran for a good example of actually having a personality and arc:
Dude's a b***h, you get to see how he idolize power, and how angry he gets when you take his obsession. The only exposition is the stupid bullshit about ogerpon's backstory.
Then comes the indigo disk and we see how he changed, he's a fricking butthole still obsessed with strength. You aren't told this, it's shown to you.
Then getting his ass whooped again makes him break down and be somehow less of a b***h.
It's not deep, but it's an actual character arc. Not "actually my dog was sick and my mom(because you bought scarlet, awooga professor and all don't you lie to me) is gone I'm so sad but I'm better now".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>kieran
I was betrayed by my sister and best friend (met 2 days ago) so I want to be strong but you beat me >gary
I'm a c**t and want to be strong but you beat me >silver
I'm an orphaned butthole and want to be strong but you beat me >wally
I'm sick and want to be strong but you beat me >barry
I'm an adhd moron who wants to be strong but you beat me >cheren
I want to be strong but alder talked to me once and you beat me >hugh
I want my fricking cat back >serena
I want to be strong but you beat me >nemona
I am strong and I groomed you into beating me
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Exposition is not a personality.
Are you genuinely moronic?
So much this. Paldea’s attempt at a large cast was awful. Especially the “friend” group. Hate when they try to pass a character off as your absolute best friend but they’re so disengaging.
Did you prefer the annoying soulless c**ts from XY? At least you get to know the SV characters before they start calling you their friend and don't just immediately start sucking your wiener for no reason.
Wow, you mean the guy with family trauma and a terminally ill Pokemon that's both his best friend and surrogate parent is desperate to find help to save said terminally ill Pokemon and is willing to do anything to earn favor from anyone who can help him?
And how much of that do you know during that conversation?
Wow, you mean the guy with family trauma and a terminally ill Pokemon that's both his best friend and surrogate parent is desperate to find help to save said terminally ill Pokemon and is willing to do anything to earn favor from anyone who can help him?
i don't like it, it's boring and cringe
the writing, characters and story was always the weak point in pokemon so trying to expand and focus on that aspect doesn't work for me, all the characters are so lifeless and one dimensional
I liked it in the newer games, not the 3DS games at all.
However, the MC being a blank slate is a major problem. They should have an original protagonist in the main game, and let you create your own for online usage.
>Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present. But the crystals that make up the Zero Lab have made such a thing possible here. They are also why I cannot leave this place.
It's heavily implied the AI requires the presence of the crystals, and thus an extremely strong condensation of Tera Energy, to be able to function. The AI uses the time machine both to finally fulfill the professor's dream in spirit and to effectively self-terminate itself so the time machine doesn't re-activate because of its presence.
Likewise in Sada AI's case, considering Sada herself subscribed to the belief that the Paradox Pokemon of Area Zero she fixated on HAD to have come from literal billions of years in the past, that's a long ass time for the AI's body to break down into its barest, most unrecognizable components in the event those billions of years eventually lead back to the Paldea it originally left.
GameFreak has never cared about the pokemon. Tajiri compares them to bugs, Masuda is an animalgay, Ohmori only wants to write his human dramas, and TPC enforces their status as no more than kawaii marketability pets. The humans have always been the focus of the story. This error is only ever corrected in third-party content, namely PMD and Pokepark.
Agreed
And it's especially weird in SV cause some characters vaguely flirt with you despite being visibly older
They really should've made the MC older
>series still relies on the split version business model >could've had a pair of games that take place in the same region where one version focuses on the gameplay and Pokemon and the other on the story and humans, letting people buy the version that caters to their tastes >both versions are still the same game with minor differences and half-baked on both sides, leading to disappointed fans and mixed views
>letting people buy the version that caters to their tastes
Or you could just do it right and have one game that does both, like every other game series.
Malasadas are the best, thus Hau is the best character for not giving a frick about anything but Maladas and still being the only actual rival champion since blue.
What the frick.
As long as the they and their storylines are good. Kieran are Carmine are great characters with actual depth. I didn't like Arven himself but his storyline with the dog is very memorable.
Nemona is overbearing as fk and only gets a pass because she's attractive. That other girl is so forgettable I can't even remember her name. She was literally in the group to be a snarky nerd, nothing special about her at all.
homosexual pandering i dont like
Yes I also did not like the game version of Lillie she was a Mary Sue and a waste of space
>Mary Sue
>Fails at literally every goal she has
>Doesn’t overcome her shortcomings in game, just accepts them and works to improve
How is Lillie a Mary Sue again? Just because all the characters like her? Oh, except her mother and a lot of team Skull
Lilie is not a mary sue but she is an attention prostitute, stealing the spotlight every two fricking seconds.
She’s the deuteragonist, of course she’s prominent. I really enjoyed seeing her grow and mature though out the story and am proud of her for finding the confidence to go on her own adventure in Kanto
nah, too much attention on this attention prostitute.she literally ruins my desire to replay SM
>kieran
>lillie
>hop
>bede
>a bunch of other forgettable rivals
Pokemon has a lot of "anti-Mari Sue" characters, that fail at everything they try to achieve. Is there a term for that?
sissy losers
kys
No, Satan, I will not. Lillie is too good for you anyway. She’s got the best character arc in the mainline games cope
>Is there a term for that?
Non-Protagonists.
Ohmori desperately wants to make characters with protagonist-level ambitions, but because YOU'RE already the protagonist, they either have to have their ambitions crushed so they find a more humble and out of the way life to live, or they leave everything to you because you're so talented and amazing.
anti-sue
Kieran is a that guy in an ntr doujin that gets ntrd.
Until he snaps and realizes nothing he will do can succeed and swallowing the black pill he becomes part of the Paranoia Agent opening.
RAAAAAAAIIIYAAAAAH!
She's not a Mary Sue, I agree. But she was forced as frick.
Felt like Ohmori was trying to make people like his bland waifu.
don't care about it. I only want to catch pokemon
Legends: Arceus did a pretty decent job establishing what a kiddie-friendly horror Pokemon game could be. Good enough character development, while keeping the focus on mysterious monsters (which Pokemon should always be, not your run-of-the-mill animals). Hopefully Legends: PIZZA will continue the precedent.
bleh. there's a million games with human characters, and it's not like pokemon's offerings are notable in that regard.
It would be good if it didn't come at the cost of lower quality pokemon.
I think the bigger emphasis on Nemona was a good addition to the games.
As opposed to what, emphasis on Pokemon characters? That hasnt happened outside of Mystery Dungeon.
Since it was coupled with genuinely much better character writing, I like it. Characters as good as Arven and Kieran couldn't have existed in past games.
I agree. Pre-SV, I'd have said the growing focus on the human characters was annoying and misplaced, but I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked the interactions the SV companions, and I genuinely wish there were more opportunities to interact with them/get to know more about them now.
The totally-not-a-dating-sim rematch system in the DLC is probably the most we'll ever see like this in a mainline Pokemon game, unfortunately.
These. Emphasis on characters is at its best when it's a supplement to a good game with good writing. We haven't had that since BW so I was pleasantly surprised at how well Gen 9 is pulling it off.
I really like it. SuMo and SV are the first games that made me feel because Lillie and Arven are such great characters.
Since when? Gen 5 had a lot of this.
>let me take control of your game and force you to watch as Bianca resolves a family drama with her father for the next 10 minutes while.
Yikes
Its a mistake. Nobody gives a shit about human characters in pokemon.
I liked Bianca's family drama and wish Lillie's ended as quickly as hers so she could shut the frick up and let me explore.
>wish Lillie's ended as quickly as hers so she could shut the frick up and let me explore.
Holly fricking based, I knew I wasn't the only one on this godforsaken board.
I think it's a pretty common sentiment, it's just that everytime it's brought up people go "YEAH BUT GEN 5/6/8/9 IS WORSE"
As someone who's pretty new to this board in particular, I already can't stand it. How do you frickers stay sane reading such utterly pointless arguments for years on end?
We enjoy our anger and your digits.
Nice trips
I simply don't come here very often
I think it's fine as long as it doesn't substantially takes away from other parts of the core game. I think SM would have been perfect games if there was a skip button and made a lot of the character development optional. I love immersing myself in Pokemon games so I would have seeked out all the story element anyways, but it puts a sour taste in the mouth of people that aren't into that or doing a play through for the 100th time.
I don't care about Pokemon and the mysteries of their world, I want to have the option to hug (& dick down) Kieran NOW
I want mysterious Pokémon lore AND I want to hug a character I would at least give half a frick about instead of no fricks given like the Ohmori directed visual novel garbage called games have spewed out since Gen 7!
Why not both? the average pokefan is unable to truly raise their standards.
SwSh's story was so bad that it made me think that Pokémon should just stop trying to write a story. SV completely changed my mind.
SV didn't only have great character writing (which SwSh attempted, but came out extremely half-assed), it also did a great job setting up the mysteries of Paldea, Area Zero and Terapagos, even if the latter was a bit disappointing. Which is why I don't get the pic in , why not have both? Why not have the mysteries have a close connection to the characters? Why not unravel those mysteries and making friends along the way?
I think SV did a pretty good job at this, I enjoyed it a lot. But it's being very much held back by the presentation. I don't only mean the bad graphics and performance, I also mean character animations. Stuff like characters still move really robotically by shuffling their feet when turning to you before speaking really hurts the presentation now that the focus on characters is so much bigger. They really need to work on that.
>explain the ancient pokemon world
How else are they supposed shoehorn in Pikachu in the land of fossil Pokemon before they sadly went extinct? Frick Pikachu, I want my herds upon herds of Amaura and Aurorus in a snowy tundra.
>If they’re going to keep going with the “Pokemon are from space” theme
Where did that come from?
Not ALL Pokemon originate from space, but since the very beginning they've been hinting that Pokemon owe a lot of their attributes to spaceborne influence. Clefairy being alleged ayys who rely on the Moon Stone to become more powerful (which in turn can also affect multiple Pokemon that originate from earth) is a real notable one, and that's just Gen 1.
The Clefairy line, Starmie broadcasting radio waves into space to "communicate with something", Elgyem arriving from a UFO crash, Deoxys in general, Ultra Beasts in general. There's multiple references to Pokemon with origins outside Earth.
I hate it. I do not play pokemon for the human characters and I doubt many people do, they are by and large not well written or interesting in any way. The pokemon themselves are the draw of the series and yet they want to dodge this for some reason.
I did like Kieran, but it was a freak accident and I do not expect it to happen again. Just stop
They ignored his 7s because he told them the truth
I guess they got to have something cause it sure as shit isnt the pokemon.
The characterization aspect was always there, it was a little simplified because they didn't use cutscenes, but I mean, like you clearly understood that Mr. Fuji deeply cared about Pokemon, or that Giovanni was a ruthless tyrant, or that Gary Oak was a jackass.
Those are characterizations, but they're not character arcs. SV and its DLCs showed that there's a lot of value in seeing characters develop in interesting ways.
Yeah idk man, I just mash the A button through all that
You missed out on so much good stuff...
Yep, like missing out on a migraine thanks to a climax and ending that didn't show or explain anything.
Oh, it's moronic.
You only care about characters that have no substance?
>Oh, it's moronic.
What gave that away, the brain damage?
It was great in Sun and Moon because they were engaging and the plot was very cohesive.
In Sword and Shield there's nothing, and in Scarlet and Violet there's still nothing.
I don't like how they've been handling it.
All for the human characters getting more focus but the recent games are doing it in such terrible ways. I could not care less about Kieran, Arven, and Penny. Nemona is the only one who actually feels like a friend and even she’s not that great. As
said, Gen 7 did it much better.
>It was great in Sun and Moon because they were engaging and the plot was very cohesive.
Except the fact that Sun and Moon were literal movies.
Pokemon isn't made for storytelling, period, focus on gameplay, on battling specifically.
/thread
No idea who plays Pokemon to beat the bad guy and get the 8 badges for the 20th time.
Honestly, a Pokemon focused on PvP would be the best right now.
They could do an Animal Crossing tier game all about the humans and Pokemon just interacting and I think it would have its own appeal
>Pokemon focused on PvP would be the best right now.
Some people like Meganium you know.
Just give it a mega evolution.
>focus on gameplay, on battling specifically.
The games do do that though, at least as far as core gameplay goes. Game engine needs a lot more work under the hood but I don't think pointing the finger at the choice to be more story driven is to blame.
They just recognize that they have to make the games more accessible to children since exploiting ignorance to the type chart (aka making the game feel like homework) isn't fair, which is why games since Sun/Moon give players hints at what moves will work best after battling a Pokémon once. The stories are just framing devices to show what a region and the Pokémon in it are about because the technology is there for it and they don't have to rely on the anime to expand on a game's story anymore since the games don't have to be simplistic anymore.
That's the thing, as long as the fights devolve to "use type advantage STAB to win" the games are going to be boring.
Bizarre take. SV is really similar to SM, except executed better in almost every way.
SV by its very nature as a (failed) open world had to sacrifice its story and characters for the player to have any sort of freedom expected in the genre.
Gladion gets a character arc about his mother, type null, and stops being such an edgy little shit for example, while Arven is the same from start to finish but his dog gets better.
>while Arven is the same from start to finish but his dog gets better.
What? Did we play the same fricking game?
First time you meet Arven, he almost literally tells you to frick off. He comes off as abrasive and hostile and clearly knows more than he admits. Then later, you meet him at the cafeteria, where he literally bribes you. From that is becomes very clear that he's hiding something from you. His abrasive side is still sometimes visible like after the second titan where he yells at the Raidon, but he also slowly starts opening up to you and shows you the vulnerable side of him that he was clearly hiding from you.
He then continues growing attached to you, to the point where he gets jealous of your other friends and considering you his best friend. He also learns how to deal with the fact that his parent is dead - which he was aware of but didn't want to admit to himself. He converts his feelings of grief into anger towards his parent until he accepts the truth and moves on.
How is that not an arc? He completely changed his attitude towards you and his parent.
That's not an arc, you're describing a quest line and summarizing gameplay and thinking there's character growth at all.
Fricking Kieran and Carmine have arcs and they're minuscule, but this guy?
I get you have buyer's remorse from likely blowing $95 on a dogshit game but come on now.
I pirated it. You're insane if you think Arven has no arc. He significantly changes as a person.
A dog is not a personality trait.
Yes it is.
His dog has very little to do with his development, it's just a plot device. This story is about opening up to (You) and dealing with his problems and emotions in a healthier way.
Starting to think you're just pretending to be moronic with how obtuse you're being.
>His dog has very little to do with his development, it's just a plot device.
This. It could've been replaced by almost any other Pokémon and the story would've been the same.
>This story is about opening up to (You) and dealing with his problems and emotions in a healthier way
Except it's not, because that's just dumped on you at the end. Exposition is not a personality.
See Kieran for a good example of actually having a personality and arc:
Dude's a b***h, you get to see how he idolize power, and how angry he gets when you take his obsession. The only exposition is the stupid bullshit about ogerpon's backstory.
Then comes the indigo disk and we see how he changed, he's a fricking butthole still obsessed with strength. You aren't told this, it's shown to you.
Then getting his ass whooped again makes him break down and be somehow less of a b***h.
It's not deep, but it's an actual character arc. Not "actually my dog was sick and my mom(because you bought scarlet, awooga professor and all don't you lie to me) is gone I'm so sad but I'm better now".
>kieran
I was betrayed by my sister and best friend (met 2 days ago) so I want to be strong but you beat me
>gary
I'm a c**t and want to be strong but you beat me
>silver
I'm an orphaned butthole and want to be strong but you beat me
>wally
I'm sick and want to be strong but you beat me
>barry
I'm an adhd moron who wants to be strong but you beat me
>cheren
I want to be strong but alder talked to me once and you beat me
>hugh
I want my fricking cat back
>serena
I want to be strong but you beat me
>nemona
I am strong and I groomed you into beating me
>Exposition is not a personality.
Are you genuinely moronic?
just like Hugh in BW
So much this. Paldea’s attempt at a large cast was awful. Especially the “friend” group. Hate when they try to pass a character off as your absolute best friend but they’re so disengaging.
Did you prefer the annoying soulless c**ts from XY? At least you get to know the SV characters before they start calling you their friend and don't just immediately start sucking your wiener for no reason.
No they’re terrible too. Arven literally calls you his friend after your second meeting that’s not getting to know him.
Arven is a child neglect victim, plus he really needs your help. That's why he's latching onto you.
I’m aware. Doesn’t change what I said though
And how much of that do you know during that conversation?
Wow, you mean the guy with family trauma and a terminally ill Pokemon that's both his best friend and surrogate parent is desperate to find help to save said terminally ill Pokemon and is willing to do anything to earn favor from anyone who can help him?
Nah frick you and kys
it would be fine if the setting wasnt shit
the place isn't shit
the characters weren't shit
It wasn't a problem with the anime, why should it be a problem now?
As opposed to what, focusing on the Pokemon, so you can read them go "Squir squir squirtle"?
There have been talking pokemon since the 90s.
i don't like it, it's boring and cringe
the writing, characters and story was always the weak point in pokemon so trying to expand and focus on that aspect doesn't work for me, all the characters are so lifeless and one dimensional
I liked it in the newer games, not the 3DS games at all.
However, the MC being a blank slate is a major problem. They should have an original protagonist in the main game, and let you create your own for online usage.
if I wanted humans I would go play any other fricking j/rpg, I'm here for pokemon
If Sada goes to the past why can't we just find her later? She's a robot, not gonna die of old age.
Whos gonna charge her in the stone age?
>Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present. But the crystals that make up the Zero Lab have made such a thing possible here. They are also why I cannot leave this place.
It's heavily implied the AI requires the presence of the crystals, and thus an extremely strong condensation of Tera Energy, to be able to function. The AI uses the time machine both to finally fulfill the professor's dream in spirit and to effectively self-terminate itself so the time machine doesn't re-activate because of its presence.
Likewise in Sada AI's case, considering Sada herself subscribed to the belief that the Paradox Pokemon of Area Zero she fixated on HAD to have come from literal billions of years in the past, that's a long ass time for the AI's body to break down into its barest, most unrecognizable components in the event those billions of years eventually lead back to the Paldea it originally left.
GameFreak has never cared about the pokemon. Tajiri compares them to bugs, Masuda is an animalgay, Ohmori only wants to write his human dramas, and TPC enforces their status as no more than kawaii marketability pets. The humans have always been the focus of the story. This error is only ever corrected in third-party content, namely PMD and Pokepark.
Love it because it's done so fricking poorly it made me not care about the games anymore, I'm free!
I don't like that they include characters that are older than the player character, it feels condescending.
Agreed
And it's especially weird in SV cause some characters vaguely flirt with you despite being visibly older
They really should've made the MC older
>series still relies on the split version business model
>could've had a pair of games that take place in the same region where one version focuses on the gameplay and Pokemon and the other on the story and humans, letting people buy the version that caters to their tastes
>both versions are still the same game with minor differences and half-baked on both sides, leading to disappointed fans and mixed views
>letting people buy the version that caters to their tastes
Or you could just do it right and have one game that does both, like every other game series.
As long as they're written well, I'm absolutely fine with it. Someone like N I can tolerate, but someone like Hugh I can't.
hugh was funny though
Things i like = good personality
Things i dont like = not personality
Malasadas are the best, thus Hau is the best character for not giving a frick about anything but Maladas and still being the only actual rival champion since blue.
What the frick.
I wish they'd put more effort towards the actual gameplay, but I guess it's *nice* that there's a little bit more substance in the story.
As long as the they and their storylines are good. Kieran are Carmine are great characters with actual depth. I didn't like Arven himself but his storyline with the dog is very memorable.
Nemona is overbearing as fk and only gets a pass because she's attractive. That other girl is so forgettable I can't even remember her name. She was literally in the group to be a snarky nerd, nothing special about her at all.
So it can go very right or very wrong.
The principal was the better character in the team star plot. He even gets the last starter.