How do you feel about the ways in which the tabletop hobby has changed over time? Do you prefer how it was when you started playing? Or do you think it's gotten better since then?
How do you feel about the ways in which the tabletop hobby has changed over time?
THAR SHE BLOWS
MAN THE HARPOONS
I wish; she's still too skinny
I'd haul her in any time.
Don't know, don't care. Have been playing exclusively solo for almost 13 years and never looked back, imagine suffering people and "friends"
It started as a bunker for social reject incels, I admire those social reject incels but I'm also glad that tabletop games have grown beyond that, 5e is exactly the game that I wanted it to be (I was calling for a noob-friendly 3e rewrite back in 2008) and I'm incredibly happy about all the normies who have taken up the hobby, even if they don't play exactly the way that I would play.
People can make their own fun, they don't need computers or screens to do it, this is a fact and it's awesome. Let's keep going in this direction and see what happens.
>It started as a bunker for social reject incels
every single creator and writer for d&d i can think of is married with children
All the 40 year old warhammer dudes at the shop have wives. All the 20 year old dudes at the game shop are incel (me included).
I think dating 20+ years ago was just different than it is today and tabletop nerds don't make the cut anymore.
>I think dating 20+ years ago was just different than it is today and tabletop nerds don't make the cut anymore.
ofcourse
with the introduction of dating apps even the uglies 2/10 foid thinks of herself as a top tier catch
so this results in 60% of men under 30 being virgins while barely any women are
People used to be a lot bolder about living. Having kids and getting married and becoming an “adult” isn’t a conscious decision for most people. You just decide to live life and risk the consequences. I’m the only one of maybe 2 dozen of my friends who had kids before 30. And they’re all making better money and far more mature people than I am/was. The difference is I went to college and started drinking and doing blow 6 nights a week and doing game night one night a week and stumbled into an ugly relationship and consequently a couple of kids, car loans, moves, starting my own business, dropping video games and other shit because I don’t have the time to waste, etc.
half are married and perpetually putting off kids and the other half have never even been in a serious relationship because there’s always some excuse or logical explanation for why it’s going to ruin the “good life” they have going. They were just raised to be TOO responsible too young and they never made the mistakes necessary to have responsibility put ON them. Nerds born in the 40s. 50’s and 70’s didn’t have that cocoon childhood so they still turned out either fairly normal with a weird hobby or wore women’s underwear and strangled people.
I’m sorry what was the question?
>They don’t need computers or screens to do it
Anon I…
This direction is you being pushed out for not being fashionable enough for the Nerd Scene subculture these people are turning the hobbies into
Making your pastimes your whole personality is obnoxious, whether it's sports, coffee, your car, or whatever nerd shit you do. If you're gonna be an obnoxious gay, I don't want to deal with you.
Hobby stuff was the refuge of weirdos, so if you're gonna partake because you genuinely have interest, cool. If you're just trying to invade a space and make it yours, don't be surprised when you're not made welcome.
I also hate how commercialized it's become. Get your custom dice and big dice towers and buy the huge plastic dragon to put on your shelf to show how much of a real fan you are etc etc etc.
>I also hate how commercialized it's become. Get your custom dice and big dice towers and buy the huge plastic dragon to put on your shelf to show how much of a real fan you are etc etc etc.
I think this is what bothers me more. I don't mind people admiring games, wanting to play them, or being different from me. TTRPG has been a fundamentally unique thing from table to table, literally, so none of that bothers me... But it's the influx of the influencer effect that frustrates me. Even then I would say it's a 3/10 anger level. No, I'm not going to make some random nerd prove how nerdy they are with tests and gate keeping questions, but I'm also not going to listen to obvious nogames social media consumers if they try to talk about my hobbies, either. I think my favorite is when warhammer or D&D memers enter conversations, and I ask "Oh, what do you play? I like converting myself" and the answer is always "Wellllll, I don't actuaaaally...." Like bro these are the most entry level of all games. How do you not feel fake as frick.
>intrudes on nerd space about games
>immediately makes it about social posturing and feelings
lmao even
Every fricking time
what if I
>refuse to interact with women
>refuse to play with them
>refuse to include them in my ground
what will they do then?
>what will they do then?
I assume ignore you like women always have.
People always say incel these days when they just mean autistic. They say autistic when they mean "doesn't agree with me about our autistic argument".
I got out when I realized I wasn't a geek but a nerd artist.
Here is my review of women in different /tg/ things from my own personal, anecdotal experience
>Magic the Gathering
Smell like shit like the rest of the MTG crowd
>DnD
Get really into the character part of the game, usually buy little journals for each campaign to track events. If they’re into the game that is, one woman only liked combat and another was too autistic for the social part of RPGs. The other two did all that stuff I said earlier
>Warhammer 40K
Usually very based. Full painted armies, good understanding of the rules. The ones that are actually invested really get into it.
I would TAP that ass
I am married with kids and I will never encourage my wife to take up 40k. We don't need women in our hobbies.
/tg/ becoming popular with women and normies let me get my IRL normie friends into D&D and mini wargaming, which was good for me personally. But it made social media stuff and the “community” globally much more cringe.
I’ve noticed there’s a lot more open perverts who play dnd now, most of them women as men are still heavily shamed for ever showing any signs of attraction to anything
Sounds like you’re fighting a war in your own head, good luck with that, I hope you win.
You have to be a nogames if you haven’t dealt with that already
Pervert detected.
I dont think its better or worse, just bad in different ways.
Nothing has changed.
>play rpgs, videogames, boardgames exclusively with friends
>ignore political stuff
I do confess it ruined mtg, but that arguably wasn't inclusiveness directly but the greed that lead to inclusive safespace hugboxes getting pushed. More people consooming product and all.
The safespace hugbox shit just gave them covering material to push their insane product ramp up. They would have found something else, but it’s unlikely the “something else” would have been as successful.
Even then, it was the greed that caused the market collapse, no politics needed.
>plays video games, boardgames, rpgs
>ignores political stuff
paradox
>giant corporations are Marxist
KEK how moronic are you?
the axiom that "every niche thing that becomes popular, turns to shit" remains undefeatable.
It's gotten better, which is why so many cringelords are desperately angry and try to make it seem like it's worse.
So we make the hobby, then they try to kick us out? Sounds like cultural appropriation to me b***h.
The only difference between when I started playing and now is that more of the table has facial hair.
And it's been twelve years since I started playing.
I have no idea but I guess it has to get a lot worse before it gets better again. Enjoy the decline.
Looks like someone who'd play Magic so that she could advertise her OnlyFans channel.
Gatekeeping my group. Don't care about the hobby nor this obnoxious brat.
I don't really care about trends If a system piques my interest, I read to and decide if I'm interested, then we try it with my friends. Worked for me since the 90's, and I don't think the whole hobby is more complicated or nuanced than that.
>"Why yes I do believe unfounded lies pushed to me for a fake culture war, how did you know?"
So you don't care about children, got it you could just say so instead of using so many words.
>Thinly veiled Femstodes thread
ACCELERATE!!!
You wil like ze golden pussy boi
>source
Look at GW stocks the day since they announced the femstodes, it went down.
Stocks fluctuate constantly, their stocks did not fluctuate in any meaningful way
Weird how all those companies are seeing record stock prices.
Your narrative does not work.
The message is capitalism realism, always has been. Take 15 minutes to get aquatinted with the structure of power in the west. Duh jouuuz is a rightoid cope for seeing the problem with capitalism but because of a lifetime of indoctrination can not comprehend the separation between liberty, freedom, and capitalism. So they have to come up with a scapegoat that is is secret commie israelites behind all the shit that is obviously just companies and rich people.
I'll agree with you, but not because there's anything wrong with women in hobbies(they're just people), but cause the moron guys who are so gorilla brained they can't be near a woman without thinking about sex, and then it becomes a fight for the womens attention
So if we just exclude those morons or make them stop, then no gender-based issues would exist, except for sexual harassment and assault of course
Women rarely get into male-dominated hobbies for any other reason that isnt getting precisely that attention.
Anon how would you know, women don't speak with you
Cool projection but both my wife and toodler are sleeping in the next room
Some of you c**ts cannot even fathom being critical of women behavior while also being able to get a SO.
I feel bad for that woman then, she has be subjected to your sexist ass for at least 18 years of her life
I dont think thats how math works anon.
You're alright anon.
Sounds a lot like you've been subjected to toxic masculinity, a woman tried to fix it but you couldn't let go of it and your sexism
Worse in every way.
I was always more a fan of the complexity of games and the hobby than the social scene. I believe a lot of people back in the days, I am a true boomer, were that way. We developed some friendships along the hobby but over the last decade and a half, the complexity and intrigue of the games started to disappear.
This kind of started with MTG with the kamagawa block and just got worse from there. I remember getting beat by an Avalanche Riders deck due ng that time that was fricking identical to the urza block version of the deck l. That killed MTG for me.
As for wargaming, there are still a couple systems well worth playing and the painting/hobby side is still there.
But know the entire industry is filled with people who grew up making Harry Potter fan fiction on forums and that really annoying person who blames their "autism" instead of just realizing they are a lonely loser with no sense of self control and inability to identify proper social queues. It's really off putting.
It's changed for the better but also for the worse in different ways. But it's by far a net positive in my opinion.
People like this discovered that online nerd spaces are full of dudes with no shame who'll simp for these women. They're narcissists that couldn't compete with Stacies in the normiesphere. I remember there being a facebook group for magic and one of the admins would constantly post seflies in lingerie. Any time someone would criticize her, they'd be barraged by numales calling them incels and then banned. I genuinely despise these people because they're not even tourists, they're opportunists.
On one hand, the influx of normies dilutes the existing pool of antisocial spergs somewhat. On the other, new kinds of dysfunctional people have been attracted as well.
>Men
>Cooperative
Pick one, moron
What is the military for 100
>Men can't cooperate unless their being threatened with literal death
Lol, lmao even
So yeah, men can cooperate
Actually this is very interesting evolutionary tactic in humans. Other primate males can not cooperate at all. Human men can form temporary groups for their mutual betterment.
Amazing
does anyone here have any personal stories of a woman or minorities disturbing their life in the real world, specifically in the context of traditional games? If the answer is yes I would genuinely like to hear it because personally due to scheduling trouble I've only been playing online games with close friends for the past few years. And the few times I walk into a comic shop or other places where you run into mtg, d&d, Warhammer etc I don't really see a lot of ruckus just people hanging out.
I'm 1-1 on women in my games
I ran several tabletop games a few years back, and while most of the players were male, two women joined two separate games.
The first joined on a whim, hit on every other player, and then never came back after a bad date with one of the players. She wasn't very good at the game, wanted to be the center of attention in every scene (constantly interrupting other players, even during their turns), and wanted me to give her all sorts of overpowered garbage she made up. Props to her, she was invested in the campaign, but it was to everyone elses' detriment.
The second player joined later, she was the wife of the friend of a player and heard I was running a game. She showed up early, made her character in a system she hadn't played (CoC) quickly, became the party's notetaker during the first session, and ended up being arguably the best character both in and out of game due to her ability to wrangle the party towards their goals and keep them on task while staying in character.
So I dunno. I don't think the first woman was bad, just a bit juvenile for her age (she was over 20) and a tad inexperienced. The second was a major plus to the campaign and I wish I had her in my current group.
I have never experienced any heinous behavior from women, only from guys
Better in some ways, worse in other ways. That's life innit.
The main thing that annoys me is the persistent attempts to establish a single, unified “community” around tabletop games in general. Not only is it absurd to group these hobbies together—wargaming and painting minis doesn’t necessarily have anything in common with collecting cardboard and honing deck lists, which likewise doesn’t necessarily have anything in common with building characters and exploring dungeons—but it also undermines one of the core strengths of the hobby: customizability. If your Magic playgroup has an idea for a cool variant, play it! If you come up with a cool concept for an army, paint it! If you have an idea for a system that would work perfectly for your friends, write it! The experiences at a given table should be tailored to its members—that’s the gift of imagination.
Trying to force disparate playgroups of disparate games into a single, one-size-fits-all “community” relies on the myth of a “shared experience”, and attempts to restrict interaction with these hobbies into that mold is probably the thing most likely to kill any of them.
See
I tried talking about board games and TTRPGs
seeing anon's level of education in subjects outside of traditional games reminds me to take their opinions on traditional games with a grain of salt. Like holy shit is this thread full of morons
i like that it has gotten more equitable and inclusive
i don’t like that it’s attracting a vocal minority of people whose entire identity revolves around the equitably and inclusivity slogan
Based fun haver
Thanks bro.
My current ttrpg is doing an empire build style game. Being the lords of a small swords and sandals hyperborian kingdom in the wilderness.
I do not need anyone questioning the he legitimacy of feudal rule. It is very effective high danger low security environments.
All credible academics used to tell people cigarettes and smoking was perfectly healthy.
I read pre-20st century literature occasionally, and I found somebody being mad about how the revenue generated by the tobacco monopoly makes the state disregard the negative health outcomes of smoking.
I started playing 3.5 with my cousin at a very young age. Everything felt magical back then. As time passed and the hobby became stale for me I assumed it was because of the new editions. But after running a game for some completely fresh players in 5e I realized the problem wasn’t the system, or at least, that wasn’t THE problem. The new players approached everything with the same open minded wonderment that I did at nearly twice the age and I realized that the issue was that people increasingly wanted less and less to have fun playing a ttrpg and more and more to emulate their favorite video games and films VIA a ttrpg. The hobby has evolved to reflect that desire. So really it’s a matter of the inevitability of childish perma-nerds shooting themselves in the foot as they mindlessly grab at their aggressively marketed dopamine supply.
Are you implying doctors never downplayed the harm cigarettes could do?
I don't care if you're a female in this space. You do not need to wear it on your sleeve and make it your personality. Don't be an obnoxious c**t and we're good.
lol
Yes, it's categorically better. Unlike a lot of recent hangers on who are trying to make this hobby the latest front in their masturbatory culture """"war"""" I actually do remember what it was like in the Bad Old Days of playing in hobby stores with the dregs of society or the same four other people you gradually grow apart from over years upon years. It was usually frivolously done if you weren't a child anymore, phoned in or made into a long excuse for some pervert to act out for attention. Not harmless garden variety perverts either. They would get a reputation for one one of "Those Guys" and even still, because the hobby was so unpopular, you'd end up having to play with That Guy occasionally just to have a game at all. Not to mention how most games really weren't worth playing so every table had to hack it apart and glue it back together in a confusing and ramshackle assemblage of house-rules, no two groups like any other. Now there's actual game design, and a proliferation of mechanics and ideas, and both developers and players take having fun and doing something well more seriously. Plus with the rise of the Internet, you don't get locked into bullshit situations because of the circumstances of geography anymore. Now all of the That Guys are stuck with each other alone, and have to inflict themselves on themselves. This board now sucks shit because they're clogging up the drain here, but at least they're out of hobby in general.
An website about a messier about inclusion in the workplace.
Ok? And?
god you frickers are tedious
I'm not angry that women are in tabletop games. I'm angry that so many of the women that recently got into tabletop games seem to think hating the men in the hobby they chose to join is funny and cool.
I've seen "healthy" geek communities, where it's mostly dudes and a few women who are genuinely in to the hobby and the social context around it. These women have it made. 6s get treated like 8s and 7s like 10s. They get to date the DM or the "organizer" guy or whoever is at the top. They get to be around a bunch of guys that are just happy that they're there, who will politely and respectfully flirt with them. And best of all, there's no other girls there to bully them. They joined this hobby precisely because they generally don't get along with most other women.
Whereas when I interact with #CurrentYear geek community, there's more women, but they all look at the men around them with an attitude of "The space you're currently occupying could have been occupied by a queer person of color. But instead, we have YOU." They shit on men constantly, they play up being afraid of men when they're surrounded by the most timid, awkward men who actually will nod and smile and agree with them and think of themselves as an aspiring "Ally" or whatever the frick the current lingo is. And sometimes I don't think these women are so shitty because of some deep character flaw or unkind temperament; they don't actually hate men, they just say they do because that's what's currently trendy, and they're all disgusting conformists who never saw a fad they didn't chase.
30 seconds into a conversation with one of these women, she talks about how someone Mansplained at her or tried to Gatekeep (these buzzwords, verbatim). They also bring up sex constantly, but it's always in the context of queerness or toys or kinks or somesuch; the very moment a heterosexual penis might be conceptually involved, suddenly they turn into pearl-clutching prudes.
>Continued
I'll give an example, because it's at the top of my mind. Last night I ran an adventure at the second table for DCC night at a local bar. It was a paizo-era Dungeon Mag adventure "And Madness Followed," Carcossa, King In Yellow, disrupting a play, eldritch horrors that attack sanity. I had the head DM's girlfriend at my table. Every one of my players put in an excellent showing, very much including her. After the game, she immediately started a conversation about cosmic horror/lovecraftian films, how In The Mouth Of Madness wasn't that good and got too meta. Then everyone at the table started comparing notes and listing off Cosmic Horror films. It was one of the most quality social experiences I've had in my recent memory, especially among people who aren't close friends.
>Continued
Compare this to another community at this same bar, the 5e crowd. It skews younger, and queer-er, and trans-er, but it's about 30% biological females. I walk in, and the topic of conversation is someone complaining about a "disgusting bigot" that lives near them. Then something about palestine. I don't think a single woman there spoke to me or acknowledged me of their own accord, they certainly didn't jump to join my game (my only takers were the straight dudes, one of them blatino-ish, who seemed vaugely excluded from the big table of loud theater kids having a non-binary tiefling warlock teaparty. While was talking to that group's head DM, his girlfriend spoke a few sentences to me, and somehow managed to use "Toxic" "Mansplain" and "Gatekeep" all in this short interaction. Another woman from this group is loudly going through dude Hinge profiles on her phone and shitting on them. Someone asks her if this is all she uses Hinge for; she says she'd never go on a Hinge date because she doesn't want to get assaulted. This isnt said with fear or anger, it's said with a flippant scoff. Then one of the dudes in the group offhandedly mentions being gay, and she goes from ignoring him like the rest of the nearby men to gazing at him lovingly.
If more women in the hobby turns one social scene into the other, inclusiveness can go frick itself.
I feel as if all the things I enjoyed are being twisted for profit and money, thus I have to keep delving deeper into the rabbit hole to find more obscure and yet interesting settings and systems to avoid the tide of the masses who wish to shape the setting and system to their whims rather than embrace the themes and systems that were designed specifically for the games or universe they are backdropped in
>I feel as if all the things I enjoyed are being twisted for profit and money.
Basically this. Gaming used to be a pretty cottage industry. When it became big business it was inherently made worse.
You can still find small scale companies and home grown games out there, there’s more than ever.
Yeah, but they’re most “lesbians with swords” and less “here’s my mindpalace game that could rival Tolkien but instead it’s cowboys” or something
Most games are pivoting to less crunch rather than more crunch
its over
>the tabletop hobby
>the tablet OP hobby
DSFARGEG
WHITE
WHALE
HOLY
GRAIL
I build and paint minis at home by myself. If your social drama somehow makes it into my hobby, I cut it off and throw it away.
God damn they really went hard on the pruning here