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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be competitive soccer player
    >at the start of each season I have to mow the soccer field for some reason even though that's not my job and doesn't have anything to do with playing soccer
    >if I get caught using my own ride-on mower so it only takes 10 minutes, instead of spending a month using the stadium's rusty push reel mower, I get banned from the league
    Why is TPC like this?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be a competitive soccer player
      >break the rules
      >get banned
      What’s the problem?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If it's in the rules, that means it's smart and good.
        So you would have no problem with TPC execs fricking your wife if that was in the rules?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're fricking moronic, you fricking moron.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You get to follow the rules of what you sign up for. Be it a professional football league or a pokemon tournament. If you don't agree with the rules then don't participate in the event, simple as that lol

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, I would read the rules, see that clause ,and simply not participate because I'm not a cuck nor am i being forced to participate in VGC. What VGCheaters do is read/ignore the rules, know that they exist, then cry when said rules are enforced. But what can you expect from a competitive scene formed on the epitome of being a manchild?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I simply wouldn't sign up for the tournament and neither would anyone else if those were the rules

            >be a competitive soccer player
            >have to spend time doing tedious workouts and drills almost every day
            wtf why cant i just play the game when the matches start

            If you don't like the rules, make your own tournament. That's how it works in every other game.

            >anons conveniently ignore the actual argument in favor of “hurr follow da rules”
            willing to bet 80% of this board has giga autism so it makes sense they can’t follow basic concepts

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're clearly trolling.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I simply wouldn't sign up for the tournament and neither would anyone else if those were the rules

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't like the rules, make your own tournament. That's how it works in every other game.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is the official tournament.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              So? Go play Smogon if you don't like VGC's rules

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                lol just stop cheating

                Because it would be better if the official owners of Pokemon didn't act embarrassing.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Piracy is an availability issue. Make it easy to get a game and less people will pirate it.
                Likewise, less people would be cheating if teambuilding was like on Showdown.

                >Less people would cheat on their university exams if you just gave them the answers
                lol just stop cheating

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shit analogy.
                The point of a university example is to ensure you actually understood what was being taught to you for 9 months.
                Teambuilding in Pokemon is just random busy work that ultimately has nothing to do with the actual game itself.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I swear I've heard this exact speech from a villain in the anime

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That analogy is so unfitting that I wonder if you even know what we're talking about.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They do give you the answers moron, through classes and lectures. Did you not fricking pay attention? Actually, don't answer that. You must not have been paying attention if you're this much of a dip shit.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Play at Smogon.

          This girl is really "don't play if you don't like it" when it comes to Smogon while crying about official rules.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's just sad that TPC is harming the Pokemon community with their anti-genning antics.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don't play it or become a TPC shareholder and change the rules if you don't like it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't like Smogon rules? Don't play it
            Don't like official rules? Don't play it
            What?! No it's unfaiiiiiir

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              See this would make sense but smogon players literally will not shut the frick up about it so yeah, you're gonna hear people have opinions on it. That being said, if smoggies wanna play their meta, they're perfectly allowed to and people telling them they cant or shouldn't are lame as frick.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anti-smogongays on /vp/ are way more vocal about it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You must be new.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd say they're equally cancerous. No matter what platform

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >THE BANS AREN'T DECIDED BY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT FROM A LARGE COMMUNITY OF ACTIVE PLAYERS

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm surprised this shit comic doesn't include the girl putting her fricking finger on the strawman's lips with how generic and basic it is
              "sssh let people enjoy things" nah why don't you go blow your brains out with a rusty shotgun for making this crusty shit of a comic

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you can't be bothered to mow your own fricking soccer field, you don't have any right to call yourself a soccer player, let alone human

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be a competitive soccer player
      >have to spend time doing tedious workouts and drills almost every day
      wtf why cant i just play the game when the matches start

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Multi billion dollar companies need to buck break their customers and employees so they stop having spines and become obedient.
      Having a teambuilder in the game like there is on Showdown or other sims? Nah that would be too convient for players and would make them whipped. They need to spend several hours and hundreds of dollars on equipment to just a team.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol just stop cheating

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Piracy is an availability issue. Make it easy to get a game and less people will pirate it.
          Likewise, less people would be cheating if teambuilding was like on Showdown.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree that it's a shit practice to lock some of the best competitive pokemon behind other games, and there should be easy methods to reduce IVs to 0 by now. But EV training and breeding is easy.

        What they should do for a middle ground is let you "register" your competitive pokemon into a slot that is strictly for online use only. Once it is registered, you can rework the original pokemon however you like, and register it again in a different slot if it changes.

        Ex. You make a 252HP/252Def Avalugg with a specific moveset, and register it as such for online play. Later you decide to change its EVs so it has some more in SpD (for whatever reason), and maybe a different move. You can register this new Avalugg as well, so when you play online, you have both sets to choose from, but ingame, you still just have that one Avalugg. This way you still have to make all the sets yourself ingame, but once they're made, it's done and you can pick from all of them freely and quickly.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > hundreds of dollars?
        what are you smoking?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Be a competitive soccer player.
      Each season I have to work out and go for a run to keep my fitness up.
      If I cheat by using steroids I get disqualified.
      Why is FIFA like this?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        steroids are banned because they're harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. moronic analogy once again.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          That is not why steroids are banned

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Anabolic steroids can cause severe, long-lasting, and in some cases, irreversible damage. They can lead to early heart attacks, strokes, liver tumors, kidney failure, and psychiatric problems."

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They can lead to early heart attacks, strokes

              Nuh

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >be F1 team
          >discovered an aero solution that gives you're car a huge competitive advantage
          >FIA bans it
          why is FIA like this?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
            So why do you use it then?
            >....I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
            Like clockwork.

            The use 'competitive advantage' when people have always said 'advantage' in general. They won't stop using competitive advantage because they'll look like the morons that they are when they admit the truth.

            genning doesn't give a competitive advantage DURING THE COMPETITION, it saves time during preparation. you could save just as much time if you pay someone to breed the mons for you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            F1 is probably not the best example you could give lol

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The reason they aren't breeding is exactly because they'd rather do their drills and practice.
        They broke the rules, but that does not mean the rules are good.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Building your own team is supposed to slow down the changes in meta. It's a bit like when people use infinite rare candies in nuzlockes: it is true that grinding takes time and isn't a real challenge, but that time actually is an obstacle and disincentivize you from just sacrificing pokemon.

      Here, it's the same. Building a team is part of the challenge and should be respected.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        pokemon showdown speeds up the meta way more. and building a team is not a part of the challenge when you can have someone else do that for you.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and building a team is not a part of the challenge when you can have someone else do that for you.
          How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them? Even people that can have to build quite a network of connections and friends to help them out with this one specific thing. What a ridiculous point.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them?
            anyone: some people breed teams for money. genning just removes the advantage that those with more money, friends or followers would have and puts everyone on the same level.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If it's in the rules, that means it's smart and good.
      So you would have no problem with TPC execs fricking your wife if that was in the rules?

      Hey if you morons think that the games only start at the battle menu then go to a regional delete your save file and then lock in your first six.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > the games only start at the battle menu
        Yes they do.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          These comps literally do start at battles. They're battle comps.

          Sorry bros I'm not talking about Showdown. Try playing the games.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then frick off to Legends Arceus or something.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Might wanna try playing that too, I guess

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >play the games
            >stop cheating
            Wouldn't you rather TPC fix their comp rules in order to stop embarrassing the comp scene? Even if everyone knelt down and obeyed, it would still be an embarrassing and detrimental rule. That's the real issue.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >expecting top players to actually play the game is embarrassing and detrimental
              Come on man

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >raising the barrier to entry for the sake of corporate vanity is embarrassing and detrimental
                FTFY.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        These comps literally do start at battles. They're battle comps.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly read that as
      >be competitive school shooter

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick is soccer?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What soccer club have you played for? Even the most rundown club has a some random volunteer taking care of the field

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. That's because soccer leagues don't invent moronic arbitrary rules like TPC.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The frick are you talking about? Soccer is full of arbitrary rules like offside and the keeper not bring allowed to catch a friendly pass with their hands.
          These rules exist just to make the game more interesting.
          Copy-pasted hackmons are not interesting

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What? Whether the mons are genned or bred has no effect on the battle.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he says this when nusoccer is all about offsides constantly making scores not count or players acting like morons and pretending to be injured by the slightest contact with another player

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be jogger
      >break law
      >OMG I DINDU NUFFIN DIS UNFAIR YO

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be competitive soccer player
      >be completely aware that, in this scenario, I am expected to mow the soccer field at the start of every season and failure to do so on my own will get me disqualified
      >fail to do so on my own
      >get disqualified
      >"wtfff how could this happen"

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    if making competitive teams was easier, people wouldn't cheat

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if the games had a modicum of respect for players’ time and were better designed, people wouldn’t “cheat”
      FTFY

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you just wanted to add more words, ok

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate how People say "stop cheating" when this broken ass system forces you to breed for a competitive Pokemon for days if not weeks for Perfect IVs, then spend hours tediously EV training the fricking thing, then repeat the process. It's not fun, it's tedious, it's bullshit. If you don't want people to cheat you're clearly going to need a lot more quality of life changes then mints and ability pills. Fricking Disgaea for the PS2 of all things had a better stat distribution system that actually made sense.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >breed for a competitive Pokemon for days if not weeks for Perfect IVs
      Bottle caps.
      >spend hours tediously EV training the fricking thing
      Vitamins

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If it's so piss easy then why does it matter if people gen instead?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because they're dumb and don't know how to gen correctly. See

          The funniest thing about OPs picture is the guy had an Urshifu with caught data being in Paldea, which was impossible at the time, and then few months later they actually made Kubfu legally obtained there.
          Get fricked.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's called natural selection
          the good genners never get caught and thrive
          the dumb genners get banned and cry

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      these are the same nonces that are currently losing their damn minds over palworld.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV. You don’t have what it takes to play competitively if you can’t play the game itself.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV
        After dozens and dozens of hours grinding prior to that.
        One of the problems is that no one wants to spam shitty Tera raids to the point where you have 999 million Pokedollars or whatever to the point when you can just raise a full team purely on money.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hyper train
      >Mints
      >Vitamins
      Only bone I'll throw is TMs and egg moves. I release every hacked mon I get from wonder trade

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. The amount of seething "loldont cheat" replies is fricking ridiculous when ultimately your just tediously rolling for numbers hours on end just to have that +1 to whatever stat. Frick rng

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. The amount of seething "loldont cheat" replies is fricking ridiculous when ultimately your just tediously rolling for numbers hours on end just to have that +1 to whatever stat. Frick rng

      That reply is obviously trolling.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        10/10 bait

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    last summer's vgc scandal was the most kino shit to happen to the community in a while

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The funniest thing about OPs picture is the guy had an Urshifu with caught data being in Paldea, which was impossible at the time, and then few months later they actually made Kubfu legally obtained there.
    Get fricked.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      morons like the guy on OP deserved to get banned, if you're gonna cheat and gen a pokemon don't half ass it, do it right.

      lmao if you can't even get that right at least breed it or capture and then edit it through pkhex

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you’re gonna bend the rules, don’t get caught.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    every vgc player loves genning, no exceptions. TPCi never cared as long as you didn't have something blatantly genned. things changed because last year's worlds were held in Japan and so they were run by TPC instead, which implemented the new hack check that fricked a lot of players.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
    I bet these are the same "poketubers" who will screech if people use adblocks.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
      Yes. It was really a marvel to see the immediate fallout when this happened. The sense of entitlement to cheat was hilarious. Guarantee the same people cheated on every exam they took in school.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    you make your whole personality about pokemon

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fully support banning cheaters this gen. Its literally the easiest thing to make perfect mom's with mints and caps now. Even if you needed a 0 IV, an afternoon or catching or breeding could get you one.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it’s so easy to do what cheaters do in-game, why even bother banning cheats? What’s the difference? Why police how people play their PvP gatekeeping timesink?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cheating imply usage of hacked consoles and sabe editing software, both of which are directly breaking Nintendo's ToS.
        Personally, I believe that Big N should put Gamefreak under more scrutiny and enforce treating it more seriously. Maybe even threaten them legally - ultimately if Gamefreak's product in combination with their inaction towards hackers is resulting in breaking Nintendo's ToS and losses, it's quite damn bad.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How am I supposed to sympathize with someone who breaks down in tears over pokemon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finally, someone gets it

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be 3 time pokemon world champion, qualify for event
    >want a 0 speed iv ting lu
    >have to reset the game to do so
    >go through the horrible main game again, do reset autism until 0 speed ting lu
    >train 0 speed ting lu and rest of team and practice extensively online
    >finally ready to enter competition
    >can't despite being qualified
    >figure it's a bug, contact those in charge
    >turns out for some moronic reason your record isn't tied to a name, an account or console, it's tied to YOUR SAVE with no back up
    >can't play event or worlds now because i got a ting lu the game freak approved way
    Shills, shit eaters and "s-s-top cheating" morons WILL defend this.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >delete game
      >wtf where is my data
      woah

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >saves are the same as the game

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone dumb enough to get caught isn't a real world's candidate anyways.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >b-but I just want to save time!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but I am too lazy to play fairly!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but the game makes it too hard despite having 7 billion QoL improvements to help me!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but no one will notice!
    If I kill someone without anyone noticing, does that make it okay?
    >I-Integritygay!
    Yes.
    >b-but you're probably bad at the game!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but my friend gave this to me so I don't know if it was injected!
    You stop cheating. Him stop cheating.
    >b-but I got it from an egg from a hacked pokemon!
    Stop cheating,
    >b-but you shouldn't care if I cheat or not
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but I got this fair and square! I-I just happened to be at a 2009 event and got something that has only a 1/750384 chance in appearing!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but you're acting like Versify!
    If a moron correctly calls you moronic, then that probably means you're even more moronic than the moron.
    >b-but judges let me do it!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but *buzzword buzzword buzzword*
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but you can't act holier-than-thou! Y-You're just some random shitposter on the internet!
    Stop cheating.
    >c-cope!
    Stop cheating.
    >Y-You will never be a woman!
    Stop cheating.
    >D-Do you want to ban like 80% of good VGC players?! Because they're all cheaters!
    Yes. they need to be reeducated and reconditioned into better members of people. Moral corruption will never be tolerated in a just society
    >N-No that's not fair!
    Stop cheating.
    >b-but-
    No more excuses. Stop cheating.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How's it feel to defend a company that shits itself over mods and challenge runs?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How does it feel to be so bad at a kids' game that you need to cheat?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >can't compete unless the competitors are artificially filtered
          >calls others bad
          ? post elo

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wordswordswords
      where's your world champion title bro?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Stop cheating" Pepe
      Want to stop cheating? Remove IVs.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Do you agree to not cheat?"
    >Yes
    >"There is a check set up to make sure you don't have any illegal Pokemon is that okay?"
    >Yes
    >"This says here you have an Enamorus caught on Poco Path in Paldea?"
    >Yes
    >"Sorry but we can't allow you to participate"
    >WOW THIS IS BULLSHIT

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do they even cheat in the generation that made it super fast and easy to make a competitive team?

    >Nature? doesn't matter, you can buy cheap mints from stores
    >IVs? don't matter, you can buy bottle caps from stores or get them from raids
    >EVs? EV increasing items can be bought from the store, they are fairly cheap and it's easy to spawn the mons you need with sandwiches
    >Egg moves? you don't even need to breed anymore for them

    You can grab 6 random pokémon and make them 100% competitive in 30 minutes

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes you need IVs other than 31.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising, catching and training. This is BEFORE battling. If pokegen didn’t exist, these homosexuals wouldn’t play the game at a competitive level because they WOULD NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DO IT. Pkhex removes playing the actual prerequisite game to get competitive Pokémon, and is therefore cheating.

    In sports you need money, time, equipment, a location to play, etc.. You’re vastly underestimating what it takes to get to the level of a competitive soccer player. If some nobody with no means to soccer equipment could suddenly get it for free, people would say it’s bullshit.

    You’re a troon too.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Means to soccer equipment, a spot on a team, the money to travel, etc etc**** is what I meant

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising, catching and training. This is BEFORE battling. If pokegen didn’t exist, these homosexuals wouldn’t play the game at a competitive level because they WOULD NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DO IT. Pkhex removes playing the actual prerequisite game to get competitive Pokémon, and is therefore cheating.

        In sports you need money, time, equipment, a location to play, etc.. You’re vastly underestimating what it takes to get to the level of a competitive soccer player. If some nobody with no means to soccer equipment could suddenly get it for free, people would say it’s bullshit.

        You’re a troon too.

        Soccer is a troop sport full of corruption and flopping around. Soccer fans probably cheat in pokemon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising
      No anon, it's a game.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        A multimedia franchise entirely based around raising monsters as friends. Instantly creating pokemon is antithetical to the soul of the series and very gay.

        Also, pressing left button and right button so the player character goes back and forth isn't a skill.

        Lacing up cleats isn’t a skill either, but it gets you where you’re supposed to be. All this homosexual defending of cheating by people bot good enough to play the actual game is so funny.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >A multimedia franchise based around raising monsters as friends.
          It's a game. It's a competition centered around the in-game battles.
          Aside from that, grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless. It just happens to be gamey and soulless in a way that TPC is okay with.
          People with real skill don't endorse artificially raising the barrier to entry.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            People with real skill aren’t playing the games at VGC, cheaters are. Wolfe wouldn’t be competing without pkhex, neither would 99% of the people there.

            Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes, there’s literally no excuse

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes
              Then I ask again: what difference does it actually make?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                GameFreak outright telling you what you’re doing is cheating. It’s as simple as that. If the answer to “is this thing you’re doing cheating” is yes, then you’re fricking cheating.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're missing the point.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless
            Imagine having to constantly gamble at a slot machine for hours, all luck, minimal skill, at least six times, just to have a modicum of a chance at getting past the first round in an e-sports tournament. What does Game Freak think this is, a TCG?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pokemon doesn't have a soul is the thing, if it ever had any it died over a decade ago.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also, pressing left button and right button so the player character goes back and forth isn't a skill.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Seriously though, why don't VGCplayers just make their own tournaments if they hate the official rules so much?

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I cheat and I've never been caught and never will be caught.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats not cheating, its genning

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    These threads always seem pretty circular in their arguments when it seems like a pretty "solved" issue. Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage in team building that a legit player can't replicate through modifying the game in a unintended way, and genned Pokemon are banned from competition. It's pretty textbook cheating to use them, especially at Regionals and Worlds.
    However if the people running the competitions are historically lax at enforcing the rules, then the only actual rule is don't get caught. No one would really give a shit about this issue if no one got caught doing it. But the whole reason we keep having this conversation is because people who gen can't help but embarrass themselves online after getting caught and try to redefine the meaning of words to cope about the fact they don't like what they're doing is cheating.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage
      it's not a time advantage if everyone is genning
      it's not a time advantage if breeding is so easy nowadays as people say
      it's not a time advantage if I my friends and/or followers breed my teams for me

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a time advantage because it's quicker than any legit option when it comes to team building. There's genuinely no arguing this, it's a plain fact.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's not cheating if everyone is doing it
        Get an IQ test.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Alot of people use steroids and the refs don't check, so that means it's okay
      Zero integrity.
      Zero accountability.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        steroids are harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. I still have to see an analogy made by anti-genners that makes sense.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No one cares if steroids are harmful to adults. It's just cheating in the same way a robotic leg is.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No one cares if steroids are harmful to adults.
            they wouldn't be banned if they didn't cause serious side effects
            >It's just cheating in the same way a robotic leg is.
            nope, a robotic leg would be like playing a pokemon with 252 evs in every stat, or any other impossible combination

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              steroids are harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. I still have to see an analogy made by anti-genners that makes sense.

              steroids are banned because they're harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. moronic analogy once again.

              >steroids are banned because they're harmful
              Brainlet.

              Steroids are banned because they give unfair performance advantages that people who aren't using steroids and following the rules don't get.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                do you mean that google is lying and steroids aren't harmful at all? either that or I imagine that some steroids are safe but they're still banned because drug tests can't distinguish them from harmful ones (= you're grasping at straws)

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned. Steroids are banned in athletic competitions because they allow your body to recover from training faster than would otherwise be humanly possible, allowing you to train more than someone who does not take steroids, thus giving you an unfair advantage. Genning Pokemon is almost like that except at least athletes train in ways that resemble things they need to do in their respect sport, as opposed to Pokemon where you're essentially playing slots before you even get to the point where you get to battle.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They're banned because they're illegal.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned.
                but they are harmful, you aren't denying that. maybe only some of them, maybe only in the long run, but that's enough to invalidate the analogy with genning which isn't harmful at all. genning is actually beneficial to health, since the time saved can be spent touching grass.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    sharty thread

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that Pokémon wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to be an RPG, having players grind EXP and Items, but also wants to be a PVP spectator game, where everybody’s on an equal playing field.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it takes less than 2 minutes from catch to spec out a comp poke in SV, these c**ts have no excuse

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    pvpgays unironically hate the actual game and would rather play on sims. Makes me wonder why Gamefreak even bothers to pander to those trannies instead of single player gods.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I blame nu pokemon and gen 6 yet again
    Genning and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
    But now the whole "quality of life" crowd is trying to normalize that because to them playing the game is a waste of time
    If we never got absolute horse shit like 1/4096 shiny odds, shitty mini games to EV train, removal of HMs etc, this crowd would have never existed. Game freak pandered to phonegays by turning their games into slops with zero challenge that sucks the player’s wiener all the time and now they can’t deal with what the fanbase has become.
    We must go back to 1/8192 shiny odds, HMs, grinding for EVs, no bottle caps and no nature mints so that these subhuman Black folk finally drop the franchise and stop making having 100% perfect mons a requirement for competitive play with their hacked bullshit. Removing hacktrannies will remove the need for hacking.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This post is complete schizo drivel. Making EV/IV training easier does not make it easier to hack mons. Hacked mons can simply be made with perfect EVs/IVs right from the start. You have beans in your head, ESL.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Making EV/IV training easier does not make it easier to hack mons
        But it avoids filtering out morons who will then go defend hacking.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
      Now I'm sure you know nothing about the competitive scene and you're just talking out of your ass

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
      Fricking lol.
      Shut the frick up moronic zoomer.
      No one's falling for your shitty attempt at historical revisionism.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >effort
    >open pkhex
    >click mouse 6 times

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    IMO unless something is literally impossible to get ingame under any circumstances it should be legal

    >Ummmm this mon is impossible to get because the RNG seed for it doesn't exist on the date it was caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Who the frick cares as long as it's obtainable? The skill comes from battling and anyone can get a max IV Pokemon now. Hacks just save time.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's cool. Go play your own tournament then.

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I missed the Worlds shitflinging. What was changed in the legitimacy check mid-event exactly?

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Playing with genned Pokemon is like playing with proxies in a card game. It doesn't give you any advantage other than a time and monetary one, and nobody gives a shit except for shills.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      proxies aren't allowed in official tournaments but proxies aren't the same thing as real cards, whereas genned mons are exactly the same as legit mons.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why genned Pokemon are even better because there is literally no way to distinguish them from the real thing. If someone was playing with some really good counterfeit cards, they could get away with it until someone got pissy about him winning.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly, and even if perfect proxies existed they wouldn't be the same as genning because in that case you'd be "stealing money" from The Pokémon Company. Once you buy the game, The Pokémon Company doesn't gain anything if you spend time breeding instead of genning.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Playing with genned Pokemon is like playing with proxies in a card game.
      moronic?

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I cheated in a game for toddlers
    >I got caught
    >I'm crying now
    Do Poketards REALLY?

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do the hack checks work on a technical level? Curious about the method/software used

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      we don't know exactly. all we know is that they check home trackers (you can't have an ursaluna in S/V without transferring it through home), OT (you can't have a Landorus with the same OT as a gen 9 mon, since it can't be caught there) and IVs (if you have multiple legendaries with perfect IVs without bottle caps, they're obviously genned). it doesn't look like they're checking hidden values like PID, so they aren't as thorough as Kaphotics

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, did they change somethibg about OT? With the amount of players they can overlap.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          trainer names can overlap, but every save file is also associated with a trainer ID (the one used for the lottery) and a secret ID. Having the same IGN, TID and SID is basically impossible

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    In Gen IV, I was finishing high school and had time before college started, so I got into breeding and made several competitive Pokemon, including my beloved Porygon-Z: pz-g3-02 had perfect IVs. It took a while, and there were other mons. Sometime in college I lost my Pearl cart, and all that work was flushed. I started using genning from that point on, or at least genning 31 IV dittos to use for breeding. In SV, I don't even play the cart game but my partner does and she showed me all the bottle caps and nature changing and other bits that make creating a perfect Pokemon so easy- frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't just do them in-game. It's more fun if everyone caught their Pokemon and then just adjusts it for the build they want. Since 0 IV aren't possible, you could even catch/breed or gen a 0 IV ditto so you only have to breed once to get the one you need. Now we test out on Showdown while she grinds for bottlecaps and hunts for her favorites in shiny form, so if we go play official events we have legit Pokemon. It's easier really, not having to figure out if you set up everything legit like caught dates/regions and other stuff that you might miss while genning. Idk what the current software is but you could even catch a mon you need and then edit the speed IV to 0 if you wanted and it would be legit, assuming the hex isn't filled with indicators of genning like Pokesav did. I knew a kid in college who would hand edit the hex files to avoid that part of Pokesav. The game makes it easier than ever to make competitive Pokemon and it seems like a good answer to make doing it all legit easy. Just play the game legit.

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Strength above all else

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does anyone even go Kieran mode at these things

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What, going full compgay autist?
        If you don't go full Kieran you won't make it anywhere.

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
    So why do you use it then?
    >....I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
    Like clockwork.

    The use 'competitive advantage' when people have always said 'advantage' in general. They won't stop using competitive advantage because they'll look like the morons that they are when they admit the truth.

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OH MY GOD LOOK AT THIS TWEET FROM LAST YEAR MY FELLOW TRANNIES

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone cheats in VGC, because the requirements to create a viable team, even in Gen 9, are still insane.
    It's not fun, which is why everyone skips the grind so they can get to the fun part, which is dabbing on 12 year olds online.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It costs 50 tera shards to change a tera type. Grinding for enough of those for a team is a full-time job. I’ll sympathize with the genners for as long as it costs more than 1 shard

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i swear everytime a thread of this kind of thread gets made i always see the most moronic comparisons with genning.
    >genning is like steroids
    no its not, i dont get why people keep mixing practice with prep in the same bag when they are completely diferent, youre not getting better results with making a team, you can say its more convenient and you can get more time to actually play when genning a team but not the actual result. Not to mention some people can literally just ask others to grind them the mons/items while they practice on showdown, its never been an argument about fair play, stop coping. Genning its more akin to gym equipment, like having better, more conveniently placed or more time access to it. Steroids would be more along the lines of using showdown, where you can actually play the game, get more games per hour compared to cartridge and play on a ladder that has bo3 ots.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't read, stop cheating.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i play completely casually and never competitive battle, but i do set up all my guys like i would so im not a hindrance in raids: correct natures, IV/EVs etc etc
    am i missing something here?
    it takes like 30minutes maybe to fully EV train a pokemon, if that
    and you can bottlecap the IVs
    then you can change the nature with mints
    its not like before where you would have to hatch eggs until you got a good IV one
    why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
    explain like im moronic

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's very easy to build a team once you have 999x of every item and 10M cash. The problem is all the grinding required to get there, and it still may not be enough if you have to build several teams throughout the year.

      there are also some fringe cases like soft resetting for a 0 IV enamorus, which require to start a new PLA save file and play it until post game since you can't see the IVs until you send it to pokemon home.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        i rebuilt two full rain teams in about an hour this weekend
        yes ive been playing awhile and have tons of money
        but so should anyone playing VGC and spending money going to tournaments
        it takes no time at all anymore to redo a team, throw on a podcast and you can do 2-3 teams in the time it takes
        the fringe cases of weird IV sets are so so so low impact its laughable to be brought up

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
      Because hacking lets you do all of what you said, but in a fraction of the time so you can do the stuff that's actually fun. This was said multiple times already.
      No one is hacking in anything you can't obtain form legit gameplay. It's all kept in a legal state.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The year is 2032, Generation 20
    > Pokemon Shit Brown and Colon Red are now the VGC games
    >The meta is nothing but Legendary Pokemon from Generations 9-17 due to power creep
    > You need half the IVs to be 0 or else you instantly lose to the new b***ho mon
    > You MUST replay all these games and reset for 0 iv versions
    > You JUST GOTTA catch 82 Enamerous to check for IVs
    > You GOTTA trim your ball hairs in order to fight

    VGC's future is looking bright lads

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Let me just directly inject Urshifu into a non-native game
    How stupid are these people?

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