>be competitive soccer player >at the start of each season I have to mow the soccer field for some reason even though that's not my job and doesn't have anything to do with playing soccer >if I get caught using my own ride-on mower so it only takes 10 minutes, instead of spending a month using the stadium's rusty push reel mower, I get banned from the league
Why is TPC like this?
You get to follow the rules of what you sign up for. Be it a professional football league or a pokemon tournament. If you don't agree with the rules then don't participate in the event, simple as that lol
No, I would read the rules, see that clause ,and simply not participate because I'm not a cuck nor am i being forced to participate in VGC. What VGCheaters do is read/ignore the rules, know that they exist, then cry when said rules are enforced. But what can you expect from a competitive scene formed on the epitome of being a manchild?
I simply wouldn't sign up for the tournament and neither would anyone else if those were the rules
>be a competitive soccer player >have to spend time doing tedious workouts and drills almost every day
wtf why cant i just play the game when the matches start
If you don't like the rules, make your own tournament. That's how it works in every other game.
>anons conveniently ignore the actual argument in favor of “hurr follow da rules”
willing to bet 80% of this board has giga autism so it makes sense they can’t follow basic concepts
Because it would be better if the official owners of Pokemon didn't act embarrassing.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Piracy is an availability issue. Make it easy to get a game and less people will pirate it.
Likewise, less people would be cheating if teambuilding was like on Showdown.
>Less people would cheat on their university exams if you just gave them the answers
lol just stop cheating
4 months ago
Anonymous
Shit analogy.
The point of a university example is to ensure you actually understood what was being taught to you for 9 months.
Teambuilding in Pokemon is just random busy work that ultimately has nothing to do with the actual game itself.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I swear I've heard this exact speech from a villain in the anime
4 months ago
Anonymous
That analogy is so unfitting that I wonder if you even know what we're talking about.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They do give you the answers moron, through classes and lectures. Did you not fricking pay attention? Actually, don't answer that. You must not have been paying attention if you're this much of a dip shit.
See this would make sense but smogon players literally will not shut the frick up about it so yeah, you're gonna hear people have opinions on it. That being said, if smoggies wanna play their meta, they're perfectly allowed to and people telling them they cant or shouldn't are lame as frick.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anti-smogongays on /vp/ are way more vocal about it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong
4 months ago
Anonymous
You must be new.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say they're equally cancerous. No matter what platform
I'm surprised this shit comic doesn't include the girl putting her fricking finger on the strawman's lips with how generic and basic it is
"sssh let people enjoy things" nah why don't you go blow your brains out with a rusty shotgun for making this crusty shit of a comic
>be a competitive soccer player >have to spend time doing tedious workouts and drills almost every day
wtf why cant i just play the game when the matches start
Multi billion dollar companies need to buck break their customers and employees so they stop having spines and become obedient.
Having a teambuilder in the game like there is on Showdown or other sims? Nah that would be too convient for players and would make them whipped. They need to spend several hours and hundreds of dollars on equipment to just a team.
Piracy is an availability issue. Make it easy to get a game and less people will pirate it.
Likewise, less people would be cheating if teambuilding was like on Showdown.
I agree that it's a shit practice to lock some of the best competitive pokemon behind other games, and there should be easy methods to reduce IVs to 0 by now. But EV training and breeding is easy.
What they should do for a middle ground is let you "register" your competitive pokemon into a slot that is strictly for online use only. Once it is registered, you can rework the original pokemon however you like, and register it again in a different slot if it changes.
Ex. You make a 252HP/252Def Avalugg with a specific moveset, and register it as such for online play. Later you decide to change its EVs so it has some more in SpD (for whatever reason), and maybe a different move. You can register this new Avalugg as well, so when you play online, you have both sets to choose from, but ingame, you still just have that one Avalugg. This way you still have to make all the sets yourself ingame, but once they're made, it's done and you can pick from all of them freely and quickly.
Be a competitive soccer player.
Each season I have to work out and go for a run to keep my fitness up.
If I cheat by using steroids I get disqualified.
Why is FIFA like this?
"Anabolic steroids can cause severe, long-lasting, and in some cases, irreversible damage. They can lead to early heart attacks, strokes, liver tumors, kidney failure, and psychiatric problems."
>I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
So why do you use it then? >....I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
Like clockwork.
The use 'competitive advantage' when people have always said 'advantage' in general. They won't stop using competitive advantage because they'll look like the morons that they are when they admit the truth.
genning doesn't give a competitive advantage DURING THE COMPETITION, it saves time during preparation. you could save just as much time if you pay someone to breed the mons for you.
The reason they aren't breeding is exactly because they'd rather do their drills and practice.
They broke the rules, but that does not mean the rules are good.
Building your own team is supposed to slow down the changes in meta. It's a bit like when people use infinite rare candies in nuzlockes: it is true that grinding takes time and isn't a real challenge, but that time actually is an obstacle and disincentivize you from just sacrificing pokemon.
Here, it's the same. Building a team is part of the challenge and should be respected.
>and building a team is not a part of the challenge when you can have someone else do that for you.
How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them? Even people that can have to build quite a network of connections and friends to help them out with this one specific thing. What a ridiculous point.
>How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them?
anyone: some people breed teams for money. genning just removes the advantage that those with more money, friends or followers would have and puts everyone on the same level.
>play the games >stop cheating
Wouldn't you rather TPC fix their comp rules in order to stop embarrassing the comp scene? Even if everyone knelt down and obeyed, it would still be an embarrassing and detrimental rule. That's the real issue.
The frick are you talking about? Soccer is full of arbitrary rules like offside and the keeper not bring allowed to catch a friendly pass with their hands.
These rules exist just to make the game more interesting.
Copy-pasted hackmons are not interesting
>he says this when nusoccer is all about offsides constantly making scores not count or players acting like morons and pretending to be injured by the slightest contact with another player
>be competitive soccer player >be completely aware that, in this scenario, I am expected to mow the soccer field at the start of every season and failure to do so on my own will get me disqualified >fail to do so on my own >get disqualified >"wtfff how could this happen"
I hate how People say "stop cheating" when this broken ass system forces you to breed for a competitive Pokemon for days if not weeks for Perfect IVs, then spend hours tediously EV training the fricking thing, then repeat the process. It's not fun, it's tedious, it's bullshit. If you don't want people to cheat you're clearly going to need a lot more quality of life changes then mints and ability pills. Fricking Disgaea for the PS2 of all things had a better stat distribution system that actually made sense.
Because they're dumb and don't know how to gen correctly. See
The funniest thing about OPs picture is the guy had an Urshifu with caught data being in Paldea, which was impossible at the time, and then few months later they actually made Kubfu legally obtained there.
Get fricked.
You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV. You don’t have what it takes to play competitively if you can’t play the game itself.
>You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV
After dozens and dozens of hours grinding prior to that.
One of the problems is that no one wants to spam shitty Tera raids to the point where you have 999 million Pokedollars or whatever to the point when you can just raise a full team purely on money.
This. The amount of seething "loldont cheat" replies is fricking ridiculous when ultimately your just tediously rolling for numbers hours on end just to have that +1 to whatever stat. Frick rng
This. The amount of seething "loldont cheat" replies is fricking ridiculous when ultimately your just tediously rolling for numbers hours on end just to have that +1 to whatever stat. Frick rng
The funniest thing about OPs picture is the guy had an Urshifu with caught data being in Paldea, which was impossible at the time, and then few months later they actually made Kubfu legally obtained there.
Get fricked.
every vgc player loves genning, no exceptions. TPCi never cared as long as you didn't have something blatantly genned. things changed because last year's worlds were held in Japan and so they were run by TPC instead, which implemented the new hack check that fricked a lot of players.
Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
I bet these are the same "poketubers" who will screech if people use adblocks.
>Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
Yes. It was really a marvel to see the immediate fallout when this happened. The sense of entitlement to cheat was hilarious. Guarantee the same people cheated on every exam they took in school.
I fully support banning cheaters this gen. Its literally the easiest thing to make perfect mom's with mints and caps now. Even if you needed a 0 IV, an afternoon or catching or breeding could get you one.
If it’s so easy to do what cheaters do in-game, why even bother banning cheats? What’s the difference? Why police how people play their PvP gatekeeping timesink?
Cheating imply usage of hacked consoles and sabe editing software, both of which are directly breaking Nintendo's ToS.
Personally, I believe that Big N should put Gamefreak under more scrutiny and enforce treating it more seriously. Maybe even threaten them legally - ultimately if Gamefreak's product in combination with their inaction towards hackers is resulting in breaking Nintendo's ToS and losses, it's quite damn bad.
>be 3 time pokemon world champion, qualify for event >want a 0 speed iv ting lu >have to reset the game to do so >go through the horrible main game again, do reset autism until 0 speed ting lu >train 0 speed ting lu and rest of team and practice extensively online >finally ready to enter competition >can't despite being qualified >figure it's a bug, contact those in charge >turns out for some moronic reason your record isn't tied to a name, an account or console, it's tied to YOUR SAVE with no back up >can't play event or worlds now because i got a ting lu the game freak approved way
Shills, shit eaters and "s-s-top cheating" morons WILL defend this.
>b-but I just want to save time!
Stop cheating. >b-but I am too lazy to play fairly!
Stop cheating. >b-but the game makes it too hard despite having 7 billion QoL improvements to help me!
Stop cheating. >b-but no one will notice!
If I kill someone without anyone noticing, does that make it okay? >I-Integritygay!
Yes. >b-but you're probably bad at the game!
Stop cheating. >b-but my friend gave this to me so I don't know if it was injected!
You stop cheating. Him stop cheating. >b-but I got it from an egg from a hacked pokemon!
Stop cheating, >b-but you shouldn't care if I cheat or not
Stop cheating. >b-but I got this fair and square! I-I just happened to be at a 2009 event and got something that has only a 1/750384 chance in appearing!
Stop cheating. >b-but you're acting like Versify!
If a moron correctly calls you moronic, then that probably means you're even more moronic than the moron. >b-but judges let me do it!
Stop cheating. >b-but *buzzword buzzword buzzword*
Stop cheating. >b-but you can't act holier-than-thou! Y-You're just some random shitposter on the internet!
Stop cheating. >c-cope!
Stop cheating. >Y-You will never be a woman!
Stop cheating. >D-Do you want to ban like 80% of good VGC players?! Because they're all cheaters!
Yes. they need to be reeducated and reconditioned into better members of people. Moral corruption will never be tolerated in a just society >N-No that's not fair!
Stop cheating. >b-but-
No more excuses. Stop cheating.
>"Do you agree to not cheat?" >Yes >"There is a check set up to make sure you don't have any illegal Pokemon is that okay?" >Yes >"This says here you have an Enamorus caught on Poco Path in Paldea?" >Yes >"Sorry but we can't allow you to participate" >WOW THIS IS BULLSHIT
Why do they even cheat in the generation that made it super fast and easy to make a competitive team?
>Nature? doesn't matter, you can buy cheap mints from stores >IVs? don't matter, you can buy bottle caps from stores or get them from raids >EVs? EV increasing items can be bought from the store, they are fairly cheap and it's easy to spawn the mons you need with sandwiches >Egg moves? you don't even need to breed anymore for them
You can grab 6 random pokémon and make them 100% competitive in 30 minutes
The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising, catching and training. This is BEFORE battling. If pokegen didn’t exist, these homosexuals wouldn’t play the game at a competitive level because they WOULD NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DO IT. Pkhex removes playing the actual prerequisite game to get competitive Pokémon, and is therefore cheating.
In sports you need money, time, equipment, a location to play, etc.. You’re vastly underestimating what it takes to get to the level of a competitive soccer player. If some nobody with no means to soccer equipment could suddenly get it for free, people would say it’s bullshit.
The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising, catching and training. This is BEFORE battling. If pokegen didn’t exist, these homosexuals wouldn’t play the game at a competitive level because they WOULD NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DO IT. Pkhex removes playing the actual prerequisite game to get competitive Pokémon, and is therefore cheating.
In sports you need money, time, equipment, a location to play, etc.. You’re vastly underestimating what it takes to get to the level of a competitive soccer player. If some nobody with no means to soccer equipment could suddenly get it for free, people would say it’s bullshit.
You’re a troon too.
Soccer is a troop sport full of corruption and flopping around. Soccer fans probably cheat in pokemon
A multimedia franchise entirely based around raising monsters as friends. Instantly creating pokemon is antithetical to the soul of the series and very gay.
Also, pressing left button and right button so the player character goes back and forth isn't a skill.
Lacing up cleats isn’t a skill either, but it gets you where you’re supposed to be. All this homosexual defending of cheating by people bot good enough to play the actual game is so funny.
>A multimedia franchise based around raising monsters as friends.
It's a game. It's a competition centered around the in-game battles.
Aside from that, grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless. It just happens to be gamey and soulless in a way that TPC is okay with.
People with real skill don't endorse artificially raising the barrier to entry.
People with real skill aren’t playing the games at VGC, cheaters are. Wolfe wouldn’t be competing without pkhex, neither would 99% of the people there.
Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes, there’s literally no excuse
>Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes
Then I ask again: what difference does it actually make?
4 months ago
Anonymous
GameFreak outright telling you what you’re doing is cheating. It’s as simple as that. If the answer to “is this thing you’re doing cheating” is yes, then you’re fricking cheating.
>grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless
Imagine having to constantly gamble at a slot machine for hours, all luck, minimal skill, at least six times, just to have a modicum of a chance at getting past the first round in an e-sports tournament. What does Game Freak think this is, a TCG?
These threads always seem pretty circular in their arguments when it seems like a pretty "solved" issue. Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage in team building that a legit player can't replicate through modifying the game in a unintended way, and genned Pokemon are banned from competition. It's pretty textbook cheating to use them, especially at Regionals and Worlds.
However if the people running the competitions are historically lax at enforcing the rules, then the only actual rule is don't get caught. No one would really give a shit about this issue if no one got caught doing it. But the whole reason we keep having this conversation is because people who gen can't help but embarrass themselves online after getting caught and try to redefine the meaning of words to cope about the fact they don't like what they're doing is cheating.
>Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage
it's not a time advantage if everyone is genning
it's not a time advantage if breeding is so easy nowadays as people say
it's not a time advantage if I my friends and/or followers breed my teams for me
>No one cares if steroids are harmful to adults.
they wouldn't be banned if they didn't cause serious side effects >It's just cheating in the same way a robotic leg is.
nope, a robotic leg would be like playing a pokemon with 252 evs in every stat, or any other impossible combination
steroids are harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. I still have to see an analogy made by anti-genners that makes sense.
steroids are banned because they're harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. moronic analogy once again.
>steroids are banned because they're harmful
Brainlet.
Steroids are banned because they give unfair performance advantages that people who aren't using steroids and following the rules don't get.
4 months ago
Anonymous
do you mean that google is lying and steroids aren't harmful at all? either that or I imagine that some steroids are safe but they're still banned because drug tests can't distinguish them from harmful ones (= you're grasping at straws)
4 months ago
Anonymous
Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned. Steroids are banned in athletic competitions because they allow your body to recover from training faster than would otherwise be humanly possible, allowing you to train more than someone who does not take steroids, thus giving you an unfair advantage. Genning Pokemon is almost like that except at least athletes train in ways that resemble things they need to do in their respect sport, as opposed to Pokemon where you're essentially playing slots before you even get to the point where you get to battle.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They're banned because they're illegal.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned.
but they are harmful, you aren't denying that. maybe only some of them, maybe only in the long run, but that's enough to invalidate the analogy with genning which isn't harmful at all. genning is actually beneficial to health, since the time saved can be spent touching grass.
The problem is that Pokémon wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to be an RPG, having players grind EXP and Items, but also wants to be a PVP spectator game, where everybody’s on an equal playing field.
pvpgays unironically hate the actual game and would rather play on sims. Makes me wonder why Gamefreak even bothers to pander to those trannies instead of single player gods.
Honestly I blame nu pokemon and gen 6 yet again
Genning and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
But now the whole "quality of life" crowd is trying to normalize that because to them playing the game is a waste of time
If we never got absolute horse shit like 1/4096 shiny odds, shitty mini games to EV train, removal of HMs etc, this crowd would have never existed. Game freak pandered to phonegays by turning their games into slops with zero challenge that sucks the player’s wiener all the time and now they can’t deal with what the fanbase has become.
We must go back to 1/8192 shiny odds, HMs, grinding for EVs, no bottle caps and no nature mints so that these subhuman Black folk finally drop the franchise and stop making having 100% perfect mons a requirement for competitive play with their hacked bullshit. Removing hacktrannies will remove the need for hacking.
This post is complete schizo drivel. Making EV/IV training easier does not make it easier to hack mons. Hacked mons can simply be made with perfect EVs/IVs right from the start. You have beans in your head, ESL.
>people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
Now I'm sure you know nothing about the competitive scene and you're just talking out of your ass
and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
Fricking lol.
Shut the frick up moronic zoomer.
No one's falling for your shitty attempt at historical revisionism.
Playing with genned Pokemon is like playing with proxies in a card game. It doesn't give you any advantage other than a time and monetary one, and nobody gives a shit except for shills.
proxies aren't allowed in official tournaments but proxies aren't the same thing as real cards, whereas genned mons are exactly the same as legit mons.
Which is why genned Pokemon are even better because there is literally no way to distinguish them from the real thing. If someone was playing with some really good counterfeit cards, they could get away with it until someone got pissy about him winning.
Exactly, and even if perfect proxies existed they wouldn't be the same as genning because in that case you'd be "stealing money" from The Pokémon Company. Once you buy the game, The Pokémon Company doesn't gain anything if you spend time breeding instead of genning.
we don't know exactly. all we know is that they check home trackers (you can't have an ursaluna in S/V without transferring it through home), OT (you can't have a Landorus with the same OT as a gen 9 mon, since it can't be caught there) and IVs (if you have multiple legendaries with perfect IVs without bottle caps, they're obviously genned). it doesn't look like they're checking hidden values like PID, so they aren't as thorough as Kaphotics
trainer names can overlap, but every save file is also associated with a trainer ID (the one used for the lottery) and a secret ID. Having the same IGN, TID and SID is basically impossible
In Gen IV, I was finishing high school and had time before college started, so I got into breeding and made several competitive Pokemon, including my beloved Porygon-Z: pz-g3-02 had perfect IVs. It took a while, and there were other mons. Sometime in college I lost my Pearl cart, and all that work was flushed. I started using genning from that point on, or at least genning 31 IV dittos to use for breeding. In SV, I don't even play the cart game but my partner does and she showed me all the bottle caps and nature changing and other bits that make creating a perfect Pokemon so easy- frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't just do them in-game. It's more fun if everyone caught their Pokemon and then just adjusts it for the build they want. Since 0 IV aren't possible, you could even catch/breed or gen a 0 IV ditto so you only have to breed once to get the one you need. Now we test out on Showdown while she grinds for bottlecaps and hunts for her favorites in shiny form, so if we go play official events we have legit Pokemon. It's easier really, not having to figure out if you set up everything legit like caught dates/regions and other stuff that you might miss while genning. Idk what the current software is but you could even catch a mon you need and then edit the speed IV to 0 if you wanted and it would be legit, assuming the hex isn't filled with indicators of genning like Pokesav did. I knew a kid in college who would hand edit the hex files to avoid that part of Pokesav. The game makes it easier than ever to make competitive Pokemon and it seems like a good answer to make doing it all legit easy. Just play the game legit.
>I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
So why do you use it then? >....I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
Like clockwork.
The use 'competitive advantage' when people have always said 'advantage' in general. They won't stop using competitive advantage because they'll look like the morons that they are when they admit the truth.
Everyone cheats in VGC, because the requirements to create a viable team, even in Gen 9, are still insane.
It's not fun, which is why everyone skips the grind so they can get to the fun part, which is dabbing on 12 year olds online.
It costs 50 tera shards to change a tera type. Grinding for enough of those for a team is a full-time job. I’ll sympathize with the genners for as long as it costs more than 1 shard
i swear everytime a thread of this kind of thread gets made i always see the most moronic comparisons with genning. >genning is like steroids
no its not, i dont get why people keep mixing practice with prep in the same bag when they are completely diferent, youre not getting better results with making a team, you can say its more convenient and you can get more time to actually play when genning a team but not the actual result. Not to mention some people can literally just ask others to grind them the mons/items while they practice on showdown, its never been an argument about fair play, stop coping. Genning its more akin to gym equipment, like having better, more conveniently placed or more time access to it. Steroids would be more along the lines of using showdown, where you can actually play the game, get more games per hour compared to cartridge and play on a ladder that has bo3 ots.
i play completely casually and never competitive battle, but i do set up all my guys like i would so im not a hindrance in raids: correct natures, IV/EVs etc etc
am i missing something here?
it takes like 30minutes maybe to fully EV train a pokemon, if that
and you can bottlecap the IVs
then you can change the nature with mints
its not like before where you would have to hatch eggs until you got a good IV one
why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
explain like im moronic
it's very easy to build a team once you have 999x of every item and 10M cash. The problem is all the grinding required to get there, and it still may not be enough if you have to build several teams throughout the year.
there are also some fringe cases like soft resetting for a 0 IV enamorus, which require to start a new PLA save file and play it until post game since you can't see the IVs until you send it to pokemon home.
i rebuilt two full rain teams in about an hour this weekend
yes ive been playing awhile and have tons of money
but so should anyone playing VGC and spending money going to tournaments
it takes no time at all anymore to redo a team, throw on a podcast and you can do 2-3 teams in the time it takes
the fringe cases of weird IV sets are so so so low impact its laughable to be brought up
>>why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
Because hacking lets you do all of what you said, but in a fraction of the time so you can do the stuff that's actually fun. This was said multiple times already.
No one is hacking in anything you can't obtain form legit gameplay. It's all kept in a legal state.
>The year is 2032, Generation 20 > Pokemon Shit Brown and Colon Red are now the VGC games >The meta is nothing but Legendary Pokemon from Generations 9-17 due to power creep > You need half the IVs to be 0 or else you instantly lose to the new b***ho mon > You MUST replay all these games and reset for 0 iv versions > You JUST GOTTA catch 82 Enamerous to check for IVs > You GOTTA trim your ball hairs in order to fight
>be competitive soccer player
>at the start of each season I have to mow the soccer field for some reason even though that's not my job and doesn't have anything to do with playing soccer
>if I get caught using my own ride-on mower so it only takes 10 minutes, instead of spending a month using the stadium's rusty push reel mower, I get banned from the league
Why is TPC like this?
>be a competitive soccer player
>break the rules
>get banned
What’s the problem?
>If it's in the rules, that means it's smart and good.
So you would have no problem with TPC execs fricking your wife if that was in the rules?
You're fricking moronic, you fricking moron.
You get to follow the rules of what you sign up for. Be it a professional football league or a pokemon tournament. If you don't agree with the rules then don't participate in the event, simple as that lol
No, I would read the rules, see that clause ,and simply not participate because I'm not a cuck nor am i being forced to participate in VGC. What VGCheaters do is read/ignore the rules, know that they exist, then cry when said rules are enforced. But what can you expect from a competitive scene formed on the epitome of being a manchild?
>anons conveniently ignore the actual argument in favor of “hurr follow da rules”
willing to bet 80% of this board has giga autism so it makes sense they can’t follow basic concepts
They're clearly trolling.
I simply wouldn't sign up for the tournament and neither would anyone else if those were the rules
If you don't like the rules, make your own tournament. That's how it works in every other game.
This is the official tournament.
So? Go play Smogon if you don't like VGC's rules
Because it would be better if the official owners of Pokemon didn't act embarrassing.
>Less people would cheat on their university exams if you just gave them the answers
lol just stop cheating
Shit analogy.
The point of a university example is to ensure you actually understood what was being taught to you for 9 months.
Teambuilding in Pokemon is just random busy work that ultimately has nothing to do with the actual game itself.
I swear I've heard this exact speech from a villain in the anime
That analogy is so unfitting that I wonder if you even know what we're talking about.
They do give you the answers moron, through classes and lectures. Did you not fricking pay attention? Actually, don't answer that. You must not have been paying attention if you're this much of a dip shit.
Play at Smogon.
This girl is really "don't play if you don't like it" when it comes to Smogon while crying about official rules.
It's just sad that TPC is harming the Pokemon community with their anti-genning antics.
Don't play it or become a TPC shareholder and change the rules if you don't like it.
Don't like Smogon rules? Don't play it
Don't like official rules? Don't play it
What?! No it's unfaiiiiiir
See this would make sense but smogon players literally will not shut the frick up about it so yeah, you're gonna hear people have opinions on it. That being said, if smoggies wanna play their meta, they're perfectly allowed to and people telling them they cant or shouldn't are lame as frick.
Anti-smogongays on /vp/ are way more vocal about it.
Wrong
You must be new.
I'd say they're equally cancerous. No matter what platform
>THE BANS AREN'T DECIDED BY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT FROM A LARGE COMMUNITY OF ACTIVE PLAYERS
I'm surprised this shit comic doesn't include the girl putting her fricking finger on the strawman's lips with how generic and basic it is
"sssh let people enjoy things" nah why don't you go blow your brains out with a rusty shotgun for making this crusty shit of a comic
If you can't be bothered to mow your own fricking soccer field, you don't have any right to call yourself a soccer player, let alone human
>be a competitive soccer player
>have to spend time doing tedious workouts and drills almost every day
wtf why cant i just play the game when the matches start
Multi billion dollar companies need to buck break their customers and employees so they stop having spines and become obedient.
Having a teambuilder in the game like there is on Showdown or other sims? Nah that would be too convient for players and would make them whipped. They need to spend several hours and hundreds of dollars on equipment to just a team.
lol just stop cheating
Piracy is an availability issue. Make it easy to get a game and less people will pirate it.
Likewise, less people would be cheating if teambuilding was like on Showdown.
I agree that it's a shit practice to lock some of the best competitive pokemon behind other games, and there should be easy methods to reduce IVs to 0 by now. But EV training and breeding is easy.
What they should do for a middle ground is let you "register" your competitive pokemon into a slot that is strictly for online use only. Once it is registered, you can rework the original pokemon however you like, and register it again in a different slot if it changes.
Ex. You make a 252HP/252Def Avalugg with a specific moveset, and register it as such for online play. Later you decide to change its EVs so it has some more in SpD (for whatever reason), and maybe a different move. You can register this new Avalugg as well, so when you play online, you have both sets to choose from, but ingame, you still just have that one Avalugg. This way you still have to make all the sets yourself ingame, but once they're made, it's done and you can pick from all of them freely and quickly.
> hundreds of dollars?
what are you smoking?
Be a competitive soccer player.
Each season I have to work out and go for a run to keep my fitness up.
If I cheat by using steroids I get disqualified.
Why is FIFA like this?
steroids are banned because they're harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. moronic analogy once again.
That is not why steroids are banned
"Anabolic steroids can cause severe, long-lasting, and in some cases, irreversible damage. They can lead to early heart attacks, strokes, liver tumors, kidney failure, and psychiatric problems."
>They can lead to early heart attacks, strokes
Nuh
>be F1 team
>discovered an aero solution that gives you're car a huge competitive advantage
>FIA bans it
why is FIA like this?
genning doesn't give a competitive advantage DURING THE COMPETITION, it saves time during preparation. you could save just as much time if you pay someone to breed the mons for you.
F1 is probably not the best example you could give lol
The reason they aren't breeding is exactly because they'd rather do their drills and practice.
They broke the rules, but that does not mean the rules are good.
Building your own team is supposed to slow down the changes in meta. It's a bit like when people use infinite rare candies in nuzlockes: it is true that grinding takes time and isn't a real challenge, but that time actually is an obstacle and disincentivize you from just sacrificing pokemon.
Here, it's the same. Building a team is part of the challenge and should be respected.
pokemon showdown speeds up the meta way more. and building a team is not a part of the challenge when you can have someone else do that for you.
>and building a team is not a part of the challenge when you can have someone else do that for you.
How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them? Even people that can have to build quite a network of connections and friends to help them out with this one specific thing. What a ridiculous point.
>How many people on a whim can just have someone else build a team for them?
anyone: some people breed teams for money. genning just removes the advantage that those with more money, friends or followers would have and puts everyone on the same level.
Hey if you morons think that the games only start at the battle menu then go to a regional delete your save file and then lock in your first six.
> the games only start at the battle menu
Yes they do.
Sorry bros I'm not talking about Showdown. Try playing the games.
Then frick off to Legends Arceus or something.
Might wanna try playing that too, I guess
>play the games
>stop cheating
Wouldn't you rather TPC fix their comp rules in order to stop embarrassing the comp scene? Even if everyone knelt down and obeyed, it would still be an embarrassing and detrimental rule. That's the real issue.
>expecting top players to actually play the game is embarrassing and detrimental
Come on man
>raising the barrier to entry for the sake of corporate vanity is embarrassing and detrimental
FTFY.
These comps literally do start at battles. They're battle comps.
I honestly read that as
>be competitive school shooter
What the frick is soccer?
What soccer club have you played for? Even the most rundown club has a some random volunteer taking care of the field
Exactly. That's because soccer leagues don't invent moronic arbitrary rules like TPC.
The frick are you talking about? Soccer is full of arbitrary rules like offside and the keeper not bring allowed to catch a friendly pass with their hands.
These rules exist just to make the game more interesting.
Copy-pasted hackmons are not interesting
What? Whether the mons are genned or bred has no effect on the battle.
>he says this when nusoccer is all about offsides constantly making scores not count or players acting like morons and pretending to be injured by the slightest contact with another player
>be jogger
>break law
>OMG I DINDU NUFFIN DIS UNFAIR YO
>be competitive soccer player
>be completely aware that, in this scenario, I am expected to mow the soccer field at the start of every season and failure to do so on my own will get me disqualified
>fail to do so on my own
>get disqualified
>"wtfff how could this happen"
if making competitive teams was easier, people wouldn't cheat
>if the games had a modicum of respect for players’ time and were better designed, people wouldn’t “cheat”
FTFY
you just wanted to add more words, ok
I hate how People say "stop cheating" when this broken ass system forces you to breed for a competitive Pokemon for days if not weeks for Perfect IVs, then spend hours tediously EV training the fricking thing, then repeat the process. It's not fun, it's tedious, it's bullshit. If you don't want people to cheat you're clearly going to need a lot more quality of life changes then mints and ability pills. Fricking Disgaea for the PS2 of all things had a better stat distribution system that actually made sense.
>breed for a competitive Pokemon for days if not weeks for Perfect IVs
Bottle caps.
>spend hours tediously EV training the fricking thing
Vitamins
If it's so piss easy then why does it matter if people gen instead?
Because they're dumb and don't know how to gen correctly. See
it's called natural selection
the good genners never get caught and thrive
the dumb genners get banned and cry
these are the same nonces that are currently losing their damn minds over palworld.
You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV. You don’t have what it takes to play competitively if you can’t play the game itself.
>You can build a completely competitive team in like 4 hours in SV
After dozens and dozens of hours grinding prior to that.
One of the problems is that no one wants to spam shitty Tera raids to the point where you have 999 million Pokedollars or whatever to the point when you can just raise a full team purely on money.
>Hyper train
>Mints
>Vitamins
Only bone I'll throw is TMs and egg moves. I release every hacked mon I get from wonder trade
This. The amount of seething "loldont cheat" replies is fricking ridiculous when ultimately your just tediously rolling for numbers hours on end just to have that +1 to whatever stat. Frick rng
That reply is obviously trolling.
10/10 bait
last summer's vgc scandal was the most kino shit to happen to the community in a while
The funniest thing about OPs picture is the guy had an Urshifu with caught data being in Paldea, which was impossible at the time, and then few months later they actually made Kubfu legally obtained there.
Get fricked.
morons like the guy on OP deserved to get banned, if you're gonna cheat and gen a pokemon don't half ass it, do it right.
lmao if you can't even get that right at least breed it or capture and then edit it through pkhex
If you’re gonna bend the rules, don’t get caught.
every vgc player loves genning, no exceptions. TPCi never cared as long as you didn't have something blatantly genned. things changed because last year's worlds were held in Japan and so they were run by TPC instead, which implemented the new hack check that fricked a lot of players.
Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
I bet these are the same "poketubers" who will screech if people use adblocks.
>Are Pokemon "competitive players" so dense they really think a company should endorse the use of 3rd party software to cheat in order to take part in their official tournament?
Yes. It was really a marvel to see the immediate fallout when this happened. The sense of entitlement to cheat was hilarious. Guarantee the same people cheated on every exam they took in school.
you make your whole personality about pokemon
I fully support banning cheaters this gen. Its literally the easiest thing to make perfect mom's with mints and caps now. Even if you needed a 0 IV, an afternoon or catching or breeding could get you one.
If it’s so easy to do what cheaters do in-game, why even bother banning cheats? What’s the difference? Why police how people play their PvP gatekeeping timesink?
Cheating imply usage of hacked consoles and sabe editing software, both of which are directly breaking Nintendo's ToS.
Personally, I believe that Big N should put Gamefreak under more scrutiny and enforce treating it more seriously. Maybe even threaten them legally - ultimately if Gamefreak's product in combination with their inaction towards hackers is resulting in breaking Nintendo's ToS and losses, it's quite damn bad.
How am I supposed to sympathize with someone who breaks down in tears over pokemon
Finally, someone gets it
>be 3 time pokemon world champion, qualify for event
>want a 0 speed iv ting lu
>have to reset the game to do so
>go through the horrible main game again, do reset autism until 0 speed ting lu
>train 0 speed ting lu and rest of team and practice extensively online
>finally ready to enter competition
>can't despite being qualified
>figure it's a bug, contact those in charge
>turns out for some moronic reason your record isn't tied to a name, an account or console, it's tied to YOUR SAVE with no back up
>can't play event or worlds now because i got a ting lu the game freak approved way
Shills, shit eaters and "s-s-top cheating" morons WILL defend this.
>delete game
>wtf where is my data
woah
>saves are the same as the game
Anyone dumb enough to get caught isn't a real world's candidate anyways.
>b-but I just want to save time!
Stop cheating.
>b-but I am too lazy to play fairly!
Stop cheating.
>b-but the game makes it too hard despite having 7 billion QoL improvements to help me!
Stop cheating.
>b-but no one will notice!
If I kill someone without anyone noticing, does that make it okay?
>I-Integritygay!
Yes.
>b-but you're probably bad at the game!
Stop cheating.
>b-but my friend gave this to me so I don't know if it was injected!
You stop cheating. Him stop cheating.
>b-but I got it from an egg from a hacked pokemon!
Stop cheating,
>b-but you shouldn't care if I cheat or not
Stop cheating.
>b-but I got this fair and square! I-I just happened to be at a 2009 event and got something that has only a 1/750384 chance in appearing!
Stop cheating.
>b-but you're acting like Versify!
If a moron correctly calls you moronic, then that probably means you're even more moronic than the moron.
>b-but judges let me do it!
Stop cheating.
>b-but *buzzword buzzword buzzword*
Stop cheating.
>b-but you can't act holier-than-thou! Y-You're just some random shitposter on the internet!
Stop cheating.
>c-cope!
Stop cheating.
>Y-You will never be a woman!
Stop cheating.
>D-Do you want to ban like 80% of good VGC players?! Because they're all cheaters!
Yes. they need to be reeducated and reconditioned into better members of people. Moral corruption will never be tolerated in a just society
>N-No that's not fair!
Stop cheating.
>b-but-
No more excuses. Stop cheating.
How's it feel to defend a company that shits itself over mods and challenge runs?
How does it feel to be so bad at a kids' game that you need to cheat?
>can't compete unless the competitors are artificially filtered
>calls others bad
? post elo
>wordswordswords
where's your world champion title bro?
>"Stop cheating" Pepe
Want to stop cheating? Remove IVs.
>"Do you agree to not cheat?"
>Yes
>"There is a check set up to make sure you don't have any illegal Pokemon is that okay?"
>Yes
>"This says here you have an Enamorus caught on Poco Path in Paldea?"
>Yes
>"Sorry but we can't allow you to participate"
>WOW THIS IS BULLSHIT
Why do they even cheat in the generation that made it super fast and easy to make a competitive team?
>Nature? doesn't matter, you can buy cheap mints from stores
>IVs? don't matter, you can buy bottle caps from stores or get them from raids
>EVs? EV increasing items can be bought from the store, they are fairly cheap and it's easy to spawn the mons you need with sandwiches
>Egg moves? you don't even need to breed anymore for them
You can grab 6 random pokémon and make them 100% competitive in 30 minutes
Sometimes you need IVs other than 31.
The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising, catching and training. This is BEFORE battling. If pokegen didn’t exist, these homosexuals wouldn’t play the game at a competitive level because they WOULD NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DO IT. Pkhex removes playing the actual prerequisite game to get competitive Pokémon, and is therefore cheating.
In sports you need money, time, equipment, a location to play, etc.. You’re vastly underestimating what it takes to get to the level of a competitive soccer player. If some nobody with no means to soccer equipment could suddenly get it for free, people would say it’s bullshit.
You’re a troon too.
Means to soccer equipment, a spot on a team, the money to travel, etc etc**** is what I meant
Soccer is a troop sport full of corruption and flopping around. Soccer fans probably cheat in pokemon
>The thesis of Pokémon is monster raising
No anon, it's a game.
A multimedia franchise entirely based around raising monsters as friends. Instantly creating pokemon is antithetical to the soul of the series and very gay.
Lacing up cleats isn’t a skill either, but it gets you where you’re supposed to be. All this homosexual defending of cheating by people bot good enough to play the actual game is so funny.
>A multimedia franchise based around raising monsters as friends.
It's a game. It's a competition centered around the in-game battles.
Aside from that, grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless. It just happens to be gamey and soulless in a way that TPC is okay with.
People with real skill don't endorse artificially raising the barrier to entry.
People with real skill aren’t playing the games at VGC, cheaters are. Wolfe wouldn’t be competing without pkhex, neither would 99% of the people there.
Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes, there’s literally no excuse
>Also with bottlecaps you can make non bred shitmons competitive in minutes
Then I ask again: what difference does it actually make?
GameFreak outright telling you what you’re doing is cheating. It’s as simple as that. If the answer to “is this thing you’re doing cheating” is yes, then you’re fricking cheating.
You're missing the point.
>grinding their numbers and discarding them when they don't hatch with ideal stats is equally gamey and soulless
Imagine having to constantly gamble at a slot machine for hours, all luck, minimal skill, at least six times, just to have a modicum of a chance at getting past the first round in an e-sports tournament. What does Game Freak think this is, a TCG?
Pokemon doesn't have a soul is the thing, if it ever had any it died over a decade ago.
Also, pressing left button and right button so the player character goes back and forth isn't a skill.
Seriously though, why don't VGCplayers just make their own tournaments if they hate the official rules so much?
I cheat and I've never been caught and never will be caught.
thats not cheating, its genning
These threads always seem pretty circular in their arguments when it seems like a pretty "solved" issue. Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage in team building that a legit player can't replicate through modifying the game in a unintended way, and genned Pokemon are banned from competition. It's pretty textbook cheating to use them, especially at Regionals and Worlds.
However if the people running the competitions are historically lax at enforcing the rules, then the only actual rule is don't get caught. No one would really give a shit about this issue if no one got caught doing it. But the whole reason we keep having this conversation is because people who gen can't help but embarrass themselves online after getting caught and try to redefine the meaning of words to cope about the fact they don't like what they're doing is cheating.
>Objectively genning in Pokemon grant you a time advantage
it's not a time advantage if everyone is genning
it's not a time advantage if breeding is so easy nowadays as people say
it's not a time advantage if I my friends and/or followers breed my teams for me
It's a time advantage because it's quicker than any legit option when it comes to team building. There's genuinely no arguing this, it's a plain fact.
>it's not cheating if everyone is doing it
Get an IQ test.
>Alot of people use steroids and the refs don't check, so that means it's okay
Zero integrity.
Zero accountability.
steroids are harmful, genning doesn't hurt anyone. I still have to see an analogy made by anti-genners that makes sense.
No one cares if steroids are harmful to adults. It's just cheating in the same way a robotic leg is.
>No one cares if steroids are harmful to adults.
they wouldn't be banned if they didn't cause serious side effects
>It's just cheating in the same way a robotic leg is.
nope, a robotic leg would be like playing a pokemon with 252 evs in every stat, or any other impossible combination
>steroids are banned because they're harmful
Brainlet.
Steroids are banned because they give unfair performance advantages that people who aren't using steroids and following the rules don't get.
do you mean that google is lying and steroids aren't harmful at all? either that or I imagine that some steroids are safe but they're still banned because drug tests can't distinguish them from harmful ones (= you're grasping at straws)
Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned. Steroids are banned in athletic competitions because they allow your body to recover from training faster than would otherwise be humanly possible, allowing you to train more than someone who does not take steroids, thus giving you an unfair advantage. Genning Pokemon is almost like that except at least athletes train in ways that resemble things they need to do in their respect sport, as opposed to Pokemon where you're essentially playing slots before you even get to the point where you get to battle.
They're banned because they're illegal.
>Whether or not steroids are harmful has very little to do with why they're banned.
but they are harmful, you aren't denying that. maybe only some of them, maybe only in the long run, but that's enough to invalidate the analogy with genning which isn't harmful at all. genning is actually beneficial to health, since the time saved can be spent touching grass.
sharty thread
The problem is that Pokémon wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to be an RPG, having players grind EXP and Items, but also wants to be a PVP spectator game, where everybody’s on an equal playing field.
it takes less than 2 minutes from catch to spec out a comp poke in SV, these c**ts have no excuse
pvpgays unironically hate the actual game and would rather play on sims. Makes me wonder why Gamefreak even bothers to pander to those trannies instead of single player gods.
Honestly I blame nu pokemon and gen 6 yet again
Genning and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
But now the whole "quality of life" crowd is trying to normalize that because to them playing the game is a waste of time
If we never got absolute horse shit like 1/4096 shiny odds, shitty mini games to EV train, removal of HMs etc, this crowd would have never existed. Game freak pandered to phonegays by turning their games into slops with zero challenge that sucks the player’s wiener all the time and now they can’t deal with what the fanbase has become.
We must go back to 1/8192 shiny odds, HMs, grinding for EVs, no bottle caps and no nature mints so that these subhuman Black folk finally drop the franchise and stop making having 100% perfect mons a requirement for competitive play with their hacked bullshit. Removing hacktrannies will remove the need for hacking.
This post is complete schizo drivel. Making EV/IV training easier does not make it easier to hack mons. Hacked mons can simply be made with perfect EVs/IVs right from the start. You have beans in your head, ESL.
> Making EV/IV training easier does not make it easier to hack mons
But it avoids filtering out morons who will then go defend hacking.
>people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
Now I'm sure you know nothing about the competitive scene and you're just talking out of your ass
and cheating existed back then but it wasn’t accepted as legit like it is now, and people didn’t take hacked mons to fricking tournaments
Fricking lol.
Shut the frick up moronic zoomer.
No one's falling for your shitty attempt at historical revisionism.
>effort
>open pkhex
>click mouse 6 times
IMO unless something is literally impossible to get ingame under any circumstances it should be legal
>Ummmm this mon is impossible to get because the RNG seed for it doesn't exist on the date it was caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the frick cares as long as it's obtainable? The skill comes from battling and anyone can get a max IV Pokemon now. Hacks just save time.
That's cool. Go play your own tournament then.
I missed the Worlds shitflinging. What was changed in the legitimacy check mid-event exactly?
Playing with genned Pokemon is like playing with proxies in a card game. It doesn't give you any advantage other than a time and monetary one, and nobody gives a shit except for shills.
proxies aren't allowed in official tournaments but proxies aren't the same thing as real cards, whereas genned mons are exactly the same as legit mons.
Which is why genned Pokemon are even better because there is literally no way to distinguish them from the real thing. If someone was playing with some really good counterfeit cards, they could get away with it until someone got pissy about him winning.
Exactly, and even if perfect proxies existed they wouldn't be the same as genning because in that case you'd be "stealing money" from The Pokémon Company. Once you buy the game, The Pokémon Company doesn't gain anything if you spend time breeding instead of genning.
>Playing with genned Pokemon is like playing with proxies in a card game.
moronic?
>I cheated in a game for toddlers
>I got caught
>I'm crying now
Do Poketards REALLY?
How do the hack checks work on a technical level? Curious about the method/software used
we don't know exactly. all we know is that they check home trackers (you can't have an ursaluna in S/V without transferring it through home), OT (you can't have a Landorus with the same OT as a gen 9 mon, since it can't be caught there) and IVs (if you have multiple legendaries with perfect IVs without bottle caps, they're obviously genned). it doesn't look like they're checking hidden values like PID, so they aren't as thorough as Kaphotics
Wait, did they change somethibg about OT? With the amount of players they can overlap.
trainer names can overlap, but every save file is also associated with a trainer ID (the one used for the lottery) and a secret ID. Having the same IGN, TID and SID is basically impossible
In Gen IV, I was finishing high school and had time before college started, so I got into breeding and made several competitive Pokemon, including my beloved Porygon-Z: pz-g3-02 had perfect IVs. It took a while, and there were other mons. Sometime in college I lost my Pearl cart, and all that work was flushed. I started using genning from that point on, or at least genning 31 IV dittos to use for breeding. In SV, I don't even play the cart game but my partner does and she showed me all the bottle caps and nature changing and other bits that make creating a perfect Pokemon so easy- frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't just do them in-game. It's more fun if everyone caught their Pokemon and then just adjusts it for the build they want. Since 0 IV aren't possible, you could even catch/breed or gen a 0 IV ditto so you only have to breed once to get the one you need. Now we test out on Showdown while she grinds for bottlecaps and hunts for her favorites in shiny form, so if we go play official events we have legit Pokemon. It's easier really, not having to figure out if you set up everything legit like caught dates/regions and other stuff that you might miss while genning. Idk what the current software is but you could even catch a mon you need and then edit the speed IV to 0 if you wanted and it would be legit, assuming the hex isn't filled with indicators of genning like Pokesav did. I knew a kid in college who would hand edit the hex files to avoid that part of Pokesav. The game makes it easier than ever to make competitive Pokemon and it seems like a good answer to make doing it all legit easy. Just play the game legit.
Strength above all else
Does anyone even go Kieran mode at these things
What, going full compgay autist?
If you don't go full Kieran you won't make it anywhere.
>I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
So why do you use it then?
>....I-it doesn't give a competitive advantage
Like clockwork.
The use 'competitive advantage' when people have always said 'advantage' in general. They won't stop using competitive advantage because they'll look like the morons that they are when they admit the truth.
>OH MY GOD LOOK AT THIS TWEET FROM LAST YEAR MY FELLOW TRANNIES
Everyone cheats in VGC, because the requirements to create a viable team, even in Gen 9, are still insane.
It's not fun, which is why everyone skips the grind so they can get to the fun part, which is dabbing on 12 year olds online.
It costs 50 tera shards to change a tera type. Grinding for enough of those for a team is a full-time job. I’ll sympathize with the genners for as long as it costs more than 1 shard
i swear everytime a thread of this kind of thread gets made i always see the most moronic comparisons with genning.
>genning is like steroids
no its not, i dont get why people keep mixing practice with prep in the same bag when they are completely diferent, youre not getting better results with making a team, you can say its more convenient and you can get more time to actually play when genning a team but not the actual result. Not to mention some people can literally just ask others to grind them the mons/items while they practice on showdown, its never been an argument about fair play, stop coping. Genning its more akin to gym equipment, like having better, more conveniently placed or more time access to it. Steroids would be more along the lines of using showdown, where you can actually play the game, get more games per hour compared to cartridge and play on a ladder that has bo3 ots.
Didn't read, stop cheating.
i play completely casually and never competitive battle, but i do set up all my guys like i would so im not a hindrance in raids: correct natures, IV/EVs etc etc
am i missing something here?
it takes like 30minutes maybe to fully EV train a pokemon, if that
and you can bottlecap the IVs
then you can change the nature with mints
its not like before where you would have to hatch eggs until you got a good IV one
why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
explain like im moronic
it's very easy to build a team once you have 999x of every item and 10M cash. The problem is all the grinding required to get there, and it still may not be enough if you have to build several teams throughout the year.
there are also some fringe cases like soft resetting for a 0 IV enamorus, which require to start a new PLA save file and play it until post game since you can't see the IVs until you send it to pokemon home.
i rebuilt two full rain teams in about an hour this weekend
yes ive been playing awhile and have tons of money
but so should anyone playing VGC and spending money going to tournaments
it takes no time at all anymore to redo a team, throw on a podcast and you can do 2-3 teams in the time it takes
the fringe cases of weird IV sets are so so so low impact its laughable to be brought up
>>why would you hack in something that can be done over a couple hours from hatching to full trained?
Because hacking lets you do all of what you said, but in a fraction of the time so you can do the stuff that's actually fun. This was said multiple times already.
No one is hacking in anything you can't obtain form legit gameplay. It's all kept in a legal state.
>The year is 2032, Generation 20
> Pokemon Shit Brown and Colon Red are now the VGC games
>The meta is nothing but Legendary Pokemon from Generations 9-17 due to power creep
> You need half the IVs to be 0 or else you instantly lose to the new b***ho mon
> You MUST replay all these games and reset for 0 iv versions
> You JUST GOTTA catch 82 Enamerous to check for IVs
> You GOTTA trim your ball hairs in order to fight
VGC's future is looking bright lads
>Let me just directly inject Urshifu into a non-native game
How stupid are these people?