How exposed are game design / development / programming jobs to the upcoming AI jobs apocalypse Ganker?
I can imagine roles involving concept art/design, quality assurance and writing npc dialogue are the most under threat right now.
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ai art was made public domain and you can't copyright it, so at least for a while big developers are avoiding it.
but it doesn't matter much if you don't lose your job, if everyone around you loses theirs the consequences are going to affect you
>you can't copyright
Retouch it in photoshop, make a digital signature, there & done.
I'm not sure how this works, but i think it has to be transformative enough to become a different thing. the same way if you take copyrighted imagine and transform it enough, it will be fair use.
>i think it has to be transformative enough to become a different thing
They can't prove it wasn't
Well actually they can, there is already precedent for video content and likely image content in the US.
How?
they cant prove I used a stable diffusion piece you fricking dork. What the frick are you even talking about. If I create a private stable diffusion, even going as far as being offline the entire time, and using that image as my reference or base, you would never know. frick you. You're just a weird doomer who wants everyone to be afraid
They cannot prove that the thing the neural network produced wasn't in the original training data, because nobody, including the people who "curated" it know what's in it.
>one ex-employee makes an anonymous reveal on your rampant AI use on glassdoor
>IP now effectively in public domain until you prove no AI was used in a trial, people use AI to replicate your IP and sell their product on steam unmolested
But really, the customers are not gonna pay top dollar for ai crap that can never be or feel original anyway
Anon, do you have any idea how art departments work?
They trace shit constantly, they use very extensive and close reference that borders plagiarism, they already use every "underhanded" trick in the book. AI ain't going to change shit because EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE DOING IT.
As for customers; they won't notice. They already don't, save are cases where someone is a bit too egregious and it slips into production wholesale, there is a handful of apologies and business as usual.
I find it incredible how much worthless pearl-clutching AI can bring about and how little people actually know about how the world works.
>Man I can't wait for games to get worse!
This is how fricking stupid you sound.
Can't come up with anything else?
Yes garbage output is a deal breaker.
>As for customers; they won't notice. They already don't, save are cases where someone is a bit too egregious and it slips into production wholesale, there is a handful of apologies and business as usual.
Black person, AI being used in vidya is instantly noticable.
We've seen chink gachashit games use AI already and HAWKEN. It's easy as frick to notice AI art.
I was referring to them not noticing the practices common at the moment, my bad for not being clearer about that. AI is not yet fully integrated into production lines and is only used by the very cheapest chink companies that you refer to and it is true that it is very, very noticeable in those cases.
Are you saying that this race to the bottom is a good thing? frick me for wanting the industry to have some standards I guess
I really have no idea how you could come to that conclusion. I am saying things are not going to change much at all.
>But really, the customers are not gonna pay top dollar for ai crap that can never be or feel original anyway
Uh huh
The average costumer will pay if the product is good enough
Yes, whether it's made by AI or by flesh and bone yumans doesn't matter. End result matters.
I can link you an ai art patreon that makes a moronic amount every month.
not him but link me, wondering how much extra effort they put into it. I imagine they can fix hands and other abnormalities.
if that were true you would've just linked it
>the customers are not gonna pay top dollar for ai crap that can never be or feel original anyway
each re-release of skyrim was bought by "people" in mass,
the populus is more eager to welcome eating the bugs than you might think
You can instantly recognize a complete moron by his "you can't copyright" takes
How? You can't copyright something that doesn't have a human author. No, prompting does not make you an author.
You have no obligation to disclose the source of your assets unless you're caught on a blatant copyright infringement. There are already gachas using AI generation and nothing is ever going to happen to them.
Good morning, sir!
if you edit it, which everyone does, it's yours
and you can just say that you didnt use AI
what are they gonna do
>b-b-b-b-but it looks like AI!!
that's just my style 🙂
the rendering is most of the effort, dont pretend anyone can just render and make it good, nerd
>but it doesn't matter much if you don't lose your job, if everyone around you loses theirs the consequences are going to affect you
were completely fricked either way, neets just saw the writing on the wall ahead of others
The image by itself is public doman, so for concept art you can still then 3d model your shit and get the usual copyrights. As for artbooks the general public won't know which images were made with AI so piracy will still be "underground" and not shared on social media if the company doesn't want you sharing them
Why would developers not make use of the technology regardless? AI is a tool. You don't need a copyright for it to be valuable
Best first post in a long while. We're all in this together, for better or worse.
lmao
triple A companies TODAY steal sprites, 3d models and all sort of things
you truly believe that they will not use AI and simply don't tell you?
LMAO
>source: i farted today and it sounded like that
> e-every model is made from 0
> e-e-every concept art is made from 0
> e-e-e-e-everytexture is made from 0
> s-seriously guys
You must be fricking moronic.
What do you think is happening when Jhon 3d artist does nothing at the office except drinking frapuccinos and being on moronic meetings then go home and at the next day he is in the office with different variations of 3d models and concept art.
What do you think is happening in those "creative sessions" when he is alone at home or away from the open space office?
Fricking morons.
You truly believe that programmers are the only ones that believe in "copy paste" and then modify.
>i farted so hard, i shit myself, thus its true
Shut the frick up Black person "artist".
Companies and waggies will use AI to carry 90% of the grunt work and will "stylize" the 10% that is left over.
You will call it "originality" without knowing shit and will eat it.
Those who can't adapt will be fall from the market.
All the "rules" and "laws" and "tell me how you trained your dataset" will only affect small companies.
Big companies and individual contractors will don't give a frick.
holy crap this is the entire of Ganker AI schizo arguments in one post, very nice
>in the future nothing will be real guys and thats a good thing!
remind me why are you the rational one again?
I don't see using previous work as a schema and working over it as "unreal work".
Everything is made that way.
Engineering, math, programming, art, etc.
When a video game company wants to do a retro futurustic cyber punk game and they plan to add as a tongue in cheek a not-mcdonalds called "Waconalds" and a not-burguerking called "The king of the burger" do you truly believe that the visual artist start designing the modified parody logos out from their imagination? Or that they simply download logos from google image and work over that?
When the game needs the 3d model from a car that needs to be modified to look as a futuristic version, do you truly believe that they design a 3d model from cero vertex by vertex?
Or that they download any sketch from the internet of the model or a similar model and start toying with it?
And even if the prefab 3d sketch says "hey guys this is free for use for non commercial purposes, if you plan to use it in a commercial project please contact me" do you truly believe that Blizzard, or From Software or Bethesta will say
> Ohhh gee!!
> We used a prefab as a base for our 3d models
> better contact this dude that upload free shit in the internet so we can pay him royalties
Or do you think that they will shut the frick up because nobody will ever know and better don't give money or be open to liabilities?
Seriously people you live under a rock.
Okay, but where is the stealing?
Not that anon, but taking the image without creating their own. Like a bunch of items in Path of exile for example are museum exhibits. And i will bet that the images used to create the ingame sprites for PoE were not taken by the dev team.
Simmilar thing that happened with Capcom (re and dmc) where they used another artists book and just joinked his images and used them. Then again that could count as transformative work. Now idea how that lawsuit ended.
>what is public domain
"photos you put into a book and you published and you have a licence for are somehow in public domain"
Yes anon... ofc... everything you can get your greasy hands on is in public domain!
Can we see them?
>hmph, you don't understand concept art
>*collages*
It's not difficult to distinguish something as being created with use of AI. AAA publishers are not going to risk having their IP come under lawsuits and be subject to free use without any way to exploit consumers for profit.
>It's not difficult to distinguish something as being created with use of AI.
1°) It is impossible if you generate it with AI and THEN a real person work over it. The AI just eliminates part of the work, not entirely.
2°) it will become more and more difficult with time as the ai becomes better.
it just becomes more and more bland
anyone can take a picture of a flower and post it online, it's a real photo of a real flower, but it's generic and useless to everyone
No, it will not become more bland.
AI for visual art will only change the role of the artist.
The human will not be a "painter" anymore, he will be the equivalent of an "orchestra director".
Would you tell Wagner and Beethoven that they were not artist because they were not the ones playing the tuba and only designed how all the parts of he orchestra should interact?
That will be the role of the visual artist using AI and prompts.
You are and orchestra director composing the visual scene. All the small details will be filled by the program.
You will tune and tweak small details if you need it once the "big image" is completed.
Handcraft art will play a small role if you need fine tuning.
But the big part of the scene will be done this way.
You need to stop thinking like a "indie guitar lead soloing with the guitar" and start to think like Wagner composing an orchestra with several different parts.
Prompting is going to become and art in itself and will become more impressive than any solo artist for the simple reason that will produce more impact full things in less time.
the only jobs that arent in risk are those where social interaction is a huge part of it. most people will want to interact with humans no matter how much better an AI could do the same job.
this is cope of the highest order, public service jobs for all but the most high end buisnesses will be replaced by chatbots within the next 5 years
I tend to think that entry level code monkeys might be in trouble, but that's about it. Long-term, though, I have trouble seeing AI resulting in a net loss of jobs. It might change the skillset needed to succeed in a lot of fields, though.
There are plenty of things to be worried/jaded about, but I think people overestimate the degree to which new technology replacing people is one of them. The idea that tech will result in fewer jobs has been around for at least two hundred years now, and it's yet to materialize. I have trouble believing that *this* is when the trend will suddenly reverse. You might see a lack of jobs because the broader economy becomes more and more of a dumpster fire, though.
I dunno, self-checkout and those little kiosks at fast food places are generally way better than dealing with whatever mouthbreathers they got to run the counter.
>I have trouble seeing AI resulting in a net loss of jobs
Youre replacing a lot of jobs that are basic b***h shit. If you replaced your clerks with an AI and one clerk to make sure the AI was pulling what you wanted that is going to be a huge loss in jobs.
How about Markets? Trends and visulization of them is AI bread and butter. For now people wont trust it but why do you need so many analysts when AI is going to spit that shit out faster?
What do those people do now? Drive Trucks? Nope AI
Flip burgers? Nope AI and Robotics
Learn to program AI ? AI will program itself
I said "net loss of jobs." You're also assuming those jobs will be gone when they'll probably just be made easier or have their associated skillsets changed around. There are no switchboard operators anymore, but last I checked, middle aged women with shrill voices have had no trouble finding work.
It'd be like me having an aneurysm because Minitab was going to make me obsolete.
>the only jobs that arent in risk are those where social interaction is a huge part of it
~~*therapists*~~ are going to be replaced the second ai dismantles the medical guild
>the only jobs that arent in risk are those where social interaction is a huge part of it
The only gaming job I can think of for that is customer service rep.
You think an ai can't do a better jobbof that than an indian? How hard is it to keep transferring a call until someone hangs up?
A monkey could do a better job than a pajeet.
The amount of novelty required for game design and development is extremely high as each game has a different set of underlying mechanics, design philosophy and intended gameplay experience. There isn't the training data to make any possible game and game design with AI so far usually needs local models to make the experience more interesting or keep an NPC in character.
>game design
makes about as much sense as automating leadership and project management
This shit is exponential though. 100% by 2035 AI will be fully capable of creating games from scratch.
It might be able to create shitty flash tier games, and that’s a big fricking maybe. AAA tier productions being created by AI is absolutely unthinkable in the short term. Sure it’ll be able to make assets or maybe even features, but it will require a team of people to turn it into a coherent game.
Its not exponential for a number of reasons the first of which being crippling hardware limitations. You're falling for Silicon Valley fearmongering.
Instead of a CEO replacing most of their workforce with ai and having all these people be out of job would it not be easier to replace the CEO with ai and have everyone else be employed? What could the CEO have to do for their job that is so complex an ai couldn't figure it out? Isn't the stereotype that these people only do about 30min of work a week anyway?
Won't happen because the current religion is worship of business and businessmen. The guys at the top are holy and their pursuit of profit is the entire reason for all existence.
Go easy with the antisemitism, chud
>commies in charge of understanding entrepreneurship
AI assistants/consultants are surely going to be useful, but they can't substitute it entirely
>~~*entrepreneurship*~~
Won't happen because if the AI is programmed properly to earn maximum profit, its first act as CEO will be replace all human workers with AIs.
>if the AI is programmed properly
Spoken like someone who has no idea about anything on the topic.
Yeah, don't intervene again until you inform better.
But then wouldn't the ai also be programmed with an understanding of economy and that there will be no profit if no one has any money because they are all jobless and can't purchase the product being sold? So thusly the best way to earn profit is to have as many people earning money that they can spend things on as possible.
youre both close
reality will be money being completely devalued
"AI" will not change anything. People will get hyped up about it endlessly, but the truth is that many jobs require three things that LLMs and other generative AI can't do:
>Trust
>Responsbility
>the ability to talk to another human face to face
you are extremely shortsighted
He's wrong in that human workers are trustful or responsible but AI won't leave you out of a job. What it will do is that it'll consolidate power under a certain amount of companies due to expenses running it and monopolies and it will make everyone a miserable wageslave with an AI helper making sure they don't frick up.
What I mean when I call them trustful or responsible is that you can blame them if they frick up. And you're not suing some super wealthy AI company and winning quickly or easily.
even if you still need human workers, ai will make it a lot faster and more efficient, so instead of you needed a team of 20 and now you only need 1 with the help of an AI, 19 persons lost their jobs, but the job itself still exists.
This implies that those companies don't just use those 20 people to make a much better project, or to finish the project quickly and reduce development time immensely. Instead they're going to cut down their team so they can continue to spend 10 years on game development.
It just doesn't make any financial sense in your scenario
not every company is developing games, sometimes you don't need to be super fast, and there's no demand for you to be faster, so reducing emplyers is an easy way to cut expenses.
So there is a company where there is zero demand to be faster, zero demand to expand feature set, and have zero interest in expanding their product line with new software... And these companies have a large enough employee base required to do almost nothing, and effect the market in such a way that would be noticable.
I just don't see it. Maybe there's a few companies like this, but again, you're just dealing with bad business sense in that case. Even if this was the norm, the fact is that this would allow new companies to sprout up and compete against larger companies with a smaller team, this increasing demand.
You've never had a job have you? That's exactly the kind of bizarro logic management types would use.
>Trust
>Responsbility
>the ability to talk to another human face to face
All things I and 90 percent of people here cant do either
i code and it's hilarious how much easier AI has made it. it's happening.
I also code and literally haven't been able to get this dogshit fricking "AI" to spit out anything remotely useful.
I don't even bother anymore since the process of prompting, waiting for a generation and having to re-check whether it makes any sense is longer than just writing whatever I need myself.
Besides there are already many tools for code generation that do the same thing but are more reliable.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong idk but I personally think AI is much too moronic currently to be worth the hassle.
AI peaked at Dragon in summer of 2019 and everything else hasn't come close.
He's lying or he's talking about intelisense. You can't use AI to generate anything that's compilable because the machine learning is trying to get a pettern right and that's not good enough.
1 its still improving
2 its already capable of putting out decent boilerplate code
It won't replace coding entirely, but it will destroy the demand for dumb codemonkeys. Your job is safe, doesn't mean everyone else's is too.
>AI peaked at Dragon in summer of 2019 and everything else hasn't come close.
Coomer opinion completely discarded. You don't code anything.
You have to give it a lot of context as to what you want it to do, showing it relevant scripts and the like so it can actually figure out what you're doing and the structure you've built, but as an assistant it's hilariously good.
It's one fault is it forgets after a time what you've shown it, but once github copilot X is released then that's going to change very fast.
>AI peaked at Dragon in summer of 2019 and everything else hasn't come close.
Frick Dragon released in 2020?
I had to check my bank account and my first sub was in 21/07/2020. Time flows really slowly for me, I swear I was addicted to it 4 years ago.
Whatever you say lol.
I see my friends using Copilot and I see they're able to write code fast but it's not very good code.
Plus I can already see that people who use AI often are actually deteriorating mentally, as in they begin to overly rely on it and cease to actually create anything good (code or not).
Whatever the AI corporations are promising the masses is clearly not what's going to happen when large scale adoption ensues.
>its still improving
Is it really? I mean I know it is but it doesn't feel like it.
>Plus I can already see that people who use AI often are actually deteriorating mentally,
fricking kek, found the moron that was literally malding when calculators became a thing.
You don't need to waste braincells on stupid garbage a tool can provide you.
yeah calculators are great
>it doesn't feel like it
that's because the improvements are coming from better data sets rather than technological improvements
Yeah that must be it.
It would explain some 6B models trained on tight datasets giving better results than ChatGPT4 or other massive LMs.
this sounds sarcastic
better datasets doesn't mean bigger datasets
By tight I mean concisely coupled, as in one that have the largest quality to size ratio hence providing the best dataset quality at any given size.
sorry anon I'm too used to sarcastic morons RPing as socrates pretending to agree with me
sounds like we're on the same page
Yep, its going to get fricked now that everyone and their mums are suing Altman and his cronies for their obvious disregard for copyright
That's because you are either a shit coder or still in school. When the questions you are solving in your algorithms class are all over the internet and a quick google away that doesn't mean shit. Anyone with any skill that has tried to use it has shown it to be useless for anything non trivial.
Yeah, a huge chunk of what I code regularly has been reduced to literal copy pasting thanks to AI. I love it.
mfw 'experienced' coders are trying to say it doesn't work while i've already made an entirely functional game, half of it being AI generated code
like don't get me wrong you still need actual coding knowledge but to say it doesn't work is copium.
>like don't get me wrong you still need actual coding knowledge
Indeed, you need to actually understand what you're doing to properly use AI as an assistant. Also, learning to be concise and coherent in prompts is a must, most of the time when the AI gives me garbage its because I made a typo or I didn't properly explain myself. If I can't
>most of the time when the AI gives me garbage its because I made a typo or I didn't properly explain myself.
literally same here lmao. i've gotten pretty good at getting it to do what I want at this point now though.
What exactly are you coding?
I've been doing a metroidvania. Most of it's done now. Started off just building it myself but started using AI a few months ago and it's made everything so god damn simple.
And what does it do for you?
Creates just about any system that I want to include in the game. Say if I wanted a way to teleport around the map when the player interacts with something, I'd just give it the relevant scripts that'd effect a system like that, tell it exactly what I want and what I don't want, and see what it comes out with.
Sometimes it comes out with something bad but you can literally just tell it "this doesn't work, I need it to do X and Y is preventing that.". It'll either ask for more context with scripts or just give a new solution.
Which is another way of saying that its ability to work relies solely on your knowledge of coding and your overseeing its work. I know you never claimed that it could just do everything on its own, but to make it out to be a case of AI starting to replace programmers isn't really fitting. What engine are you using?
Oh for sure yeah. Someone definitely couldn't just ask it to make stuff without any prior knowledge about code at all, but being that I'm certainly no expert myself it's definitely a big help to beginners and intermediates. It'll never replace programmers, but it certainly makes things a lot accessible if you already have some knowledge.
I've been using it entirely for C# and Unity, which reminds me that I should say it can also do all this within the context of Unity, reminding you to set stuff in the inspector and the like, or to check your hierarchy.
Cool. I wish you good fortune with your game, anon
Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
>>the ability to talk to another human face to face
Modern devs fill literally none of these criteria
you people are so stupid about this shit, its not like every job is going to phase out immediately, but maybe half of a workforce is let go because the things that require human interaction dont need it done by THAT many people, the monotonous busywork can be handled by ai with a little human input, and thats just in the present, who knows what this shit looks like in 10 or 20 years
>Trust
Yea, people definitely won't feel the same degree of trust for an AI as they might another human.
>Responsibility
What does this? Like the dilligence and willingness to do the job that it's assigned? Because if so then it'll do that just fine. You tell it to do something and it (presumably) can't say no, and if it did have the ability to say no then that just makes it as reliable as another human, not somehow less.
If you mean accountability, for if something goes wrong, then that's an interesting question. If an employee fricks up the company usually foots the bill, correct? Depending on the type of frick up, anyway. So I would assume with AI it would be the same. Now if it's a big enough frick up that you have to hold an individual accountable that poses an interesting question, what happens if AI misdiagnoses based on what medical information it has available? Who's at fault? Who's paying for the malpractice?
>the abiity to talk to another human face to face
When we figure out how to make a good andriod this won't be a problem anymore but funnily enough we might have super advanced AI before we have super advanced physical robots.
>2023
>people
>trust
As someone who actually works with AI and machine learning (read: 90% of Ganker doesn't know shit about it), it won't even replace most tech jobs. It's one of those tools that appears more sophisticated than it actually is, and isn't going to be able to actually phase out any position that requires a high degree of contextual skills. It will, however, make certain simpler operational tasks easier in the long run.
People who think it's going to disrupt the market are tinfoil hat tier morons who are going to keep saying "any day now guys" for the next several decades.
Another techgay here, hearing all these complete fricking morons talk about "AI" as if it's some magical bullshit that "will just learn more and more and replace us" is getting so fricking tiring.
Even in my software development workplace there is a shocking amount of software developers who have no understanding of machine learning or AI at all and just repeat what other people who don't know shit about code say about it when those people at least have an excuse for their ignorance.
Machine learning is a tool, for coding it's best used for isolated pieces of code and skeleton code/setups, but overall it's just a glorified and more personalized search engine.
Each model is also just a different way calculating probabilities and returning the "best educated guess", there's no magic about it, it's just a bunch of mathematical calculations done very often.
Also the AI (known historically as machine learning) industry has crashed like 2 times in past specifically because it was so overhyped and expectations were completely unreasonable, I suspect the same thing will happen now but I'm no businessman.
>Also the AI (known historically as machine learning) industry has crashed like 2 times in past specifically because it was so overhyped and expectations were completely unreasonable, I suspect the same thing will happen now but I'm no businessman.
Dunno, ChatGPT had replaced my search.
>the ability to talk to another human face to face
bros... am I an AI?
>he doesn't WFH
You might just survive
>everyone will lose their job in just two more weeks
Tell that to professional copywriters.
They should just start selling a article subscription based service to small companies. It is insane how you can change the tone of your ad with AI.
>only two more weeks until AI replaces someone's job
As a senior level Software Engineer: having seen the "code" these chat models shit out, I'm not in the slightest bit worried.
It's all just mildly keyword-related garbage off stack overflow randomly combined together.
Ai code is actually alright for shitty poojeet webdev stuff but most gane code is too complicated for it currently. I tried having it make a 3rd person camera with lockon in unity and it was pretty abysmal even with constant poking and prodding towards a working solution. If you ask it for general architecture advice what it spits out is mostly sound.
Not very. Having been using GitHub copilot, it's just a tool.
Think of it like this. Without ai, a dialog writer might spend 100 hours writing 10 hours of dialog. With ai, they spend 100 hours writing 100 hours of dialog. They are still working for 100 hours, but outputting substantially more material. It's just a tool people will leverage to do more in the same amount of time. I don't think that means people are going to immediately lose their job. Large dialog heavy projects will also become more obtainable to smaller teams, making the quality of indie games much higher, increasing the demand for writers.
I wouldnt expect the worst right now. Ai from programming to designing dialog, still needs to be directed, and still needs someone controlling it who has a clear picture in their mind of how the overall picture will look, and how things will fit together.
This. I was able to get ChatGPT to spit me out a workable script that did the basic thing I wanted it to do without having to learn anything. I know no coding.
People who actually know how to code will be able to do good shit in record time and be able to integrate stuff that puts current coders to shame.
so in your post you believe a worker will be able to output 10X what they do now and you DONT think people will lose their jobs? most places already run on skeleton crews and you dont think theyll be foaming at the mouth to cut more people?
TWO MORE WEEKS!
AI is satanic
>Even if your job is immune to AI, you will be reporting to an AI supervisor who is gonna report your every toilet break to your boss
Not sure what’s worse at this point.
I'd say writing code is even more at threat from AI than artistic jobs.
Yeah, corporations are greedy and will use computer-generated images to cut costs, but there'll always be public blowback against that because people see art as in intrinsically human thing and, the way current models work, you can almost literally always tell it's computer-generated, not art.
Code is not intrinsically an aspect of human expression and code generated by a machine is largely indistinguishable from code made by a human coder to the average person.
Plus, consider this: the goal of art is to look good and invoke emotions in the viewer, and that's subjective. The goal of programming is for the thing to work, and that's objective, it either works or it doesn't. Computer-generated images might look good to the untrained eye, but they invoke no emotion from the viewer. Computer-generated code that works is doing exactly what it's supposed to do.
People freak out thinking writers and artists will be fully replaced by prompters, and while that will certainly happen (has already happened) to some, I don't think it'll go down like that.
Coding, on the other hand…
We are a very very long way away from ai being able to code an entire game. They can probably handle small tasks and maybe a basic phone app, but programming millions of lines of code that runs well without crashing is not possible yet.
>Computer-generated images might look good to the untrained eye, but they invoke no emotion from the viewer
Computer-generated images for create a quick template and the unpaid human artist redesign the entire picture for hide weird fingers and bad designed faces and publish in his twitter, pixiv, etc.
ai will never frick your mom so i'm safe
It dies from overheating in her fat folds 🙁
It's not AI.
It will always have its limits, but some people will be culled.
Hardly an apocalypse, but definitely a shakeup.
>not having to work anymore is BAD
>don't work
>have no money
>things you need to live still cost money
>More people cannot afford
>Make more profit selling more units at lower cost
>Ai makes production cheaper as well.
Man, you are one naive little frick-nugget.
Yeah, prices will definitely lower so that your unemployed ass can afford to live without having to produce anything instead of globalist governments and mega corporations allowing you and yours to die in ignominy as a necessary sacrifice to bring in the NWO.
I hope you're meeming, you autistic spaz.
Sounds like you just got done watching Elysium.
BUT WHERE DO THEY GET THE MONEY FROM THEN YOU IDIOT
MACHINES DONT BUY STUFF
UBI.
maybe in a kibbutz, but poorgays are fricked.
When the acquisition, production and distribution of goods is fully automated and the excess population has been fully culled the aristocratic strata will no longer require currency.
so it's a post-scarcity utopia then
Nothing is scarce in the Universe.
That's not what has been happening. Prices keep goin up despite things being cheaper and cheaper to make.
Yeah, man I miss when TVs were cheaper... Oh wait. Well how about my vidya!.. oh wait. Batteries? Oh wait. Technology in general? Oh wait.
The only areas where price has gone up, is in sectors that the cost of production has not gone down due to artificial limitations from government or global supply issues. The price of steel isn't going down, nor is it made inherently easier by ai. Raising cattle for beef isn't becoming inherently cheaper or easier, either. There may be some outliers, but this is the norm.
the difference is that when the workers no longer get paid then it reduces costs all around
the conclusion ks everything becoming valueless
>More units
>Lower cost
Keeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
I think you mean faster production higher cost
>no one works
>no one has money
things you need to live won't cost money since money will be worthless if no one can afford shit
you need to live still cost money
You're almost there. You just need to make a final leap. There's a word for this kind of set up. Starts with a C
At a certain point, when you don't need any workers anymore, then you won't need money. People have jobs that pay money precisely because everything can't be automated. If humans had AI to do everything, then humans wouldn't need to be paid, because they wouldn't have to work to get the things they need. Only works if there are enough resources, of course
technological singularity soon
ai is a scam, the ceo of openai is literally the same israelite who made worldcoin
>ai is a scam
What's the scam? It's free.
Also, diffusion models aren't AI. Neither are LLMs.
It's just a fad like nfts
New day
New grift
>New grift
Bigtime.
I still can't believe people paywall prompts. Fricking prompts. lol.
And people PAY for them.
LMAO EVEN.
AI isn't going to replace everyone, just like factory line machines didn't replace everyone.
What will happen is the useless morons will be cut and the skilled workers will be moved to positions of managing the AI.
You guys seem to forget that everything tech related is creating by humans, which by its very nature, will always be flawed.
sufficiently advanced AI WILL replace everyone by virtue of perfectly replicating consciousness and thus being capable of doing any job a human can
EVERYONE will be replaced, doesn't matter if you're a scientist, politician, programmer or a fricking ceo, the AI WILL be able to do your job better and even if you refuse to be replaced you still have to compete with the others that did that can do your job better in every aspect for no salary and without rest
You sound like a cryptobro.
AI models are trained on humans, by their very definition they are flawed. You can't train an AI to become better than humanity because the origin point of their data will always be humanity.
whoa so youre telling me im better than a computer in math because humans made computers?
Yeah, you're 100% a cryptobro.
Nowhere am I saying the AI is worse than any given individual, just that its not perfect.
I don't know why you morons always default to this "AI is better than me so its basically god" line of thinking.
who the frick said anything is perfect you moronic gorilla Black person
perfection is impossible
also ai is open fricking source its FRICKING FREE
F R E E
Too bad you need the code to be perfect or it won't fricking compile.
All of the popular open source AI are heavily restricted by the will of their creators, you and I will never see the truly unhinged ones.
If you ask chatgpt to make a bomb or a joke about women its going to refuse.
this is the dumbest comment I've read all day
you don't even understand why I think you're a moron
>He doesn't know.
There's already uncensored chat bots that is totally uncensored. People use it for cooms, as expected.
https://venus.chub.ai/
so you haven't heard of DAN command for GPT? GPT is only a language model it's biggest weakness is it has no capacity to actually think or test the veracity of language data it learns it just gives you patterns of language that make the most sense for the prompt. if enough people in the data sets it pulls from said the sky was green it will just assume those words go together.
>cryptobro
normalgay tourist
Slop guzzler.
you are definitely better than a computer at decimal math
im fricking not, you overestimate me
i cant do anything with 7 to save my life, fricking hate that number
if multiplyimg, at least 8 is pair and anything with 5 ends in either 5 or 0
7 can go frick itself
all things are flawed because the universe itself is flawed so this tells me nothing you fricking moron
if AI learns from humans then it'll be "as good" as humans, but even then it's still significantly faster and this is what makes them better
not only that, but also needs no sleep, no food, no housing, no money, etc.
Thats true, but something thats trained on humanity can't surpass humanity. It literally lacks the data to do that. Its a contridection, at best AI can (and will) become as smart as every single great mind was at once. That sounds pretty OP, until you remember no two humans have the same opinion on things like "utopia" and it just sits there and argues with itself.
if this was true then we'd never would have gotten past the neolithic era
future generations can suprass their ancestors
Current AI is limited by hardware.
moore's law
FRICK OFF YOU FALSEFLAGGING israelite
Mad cryptogay.
humans are trained on humans, AI has an advantage in that it has no biases and the random seeds allow it to make combinations no human would ever think of. The biggest flaw is human intervention nerfing neural AI for fear of losing out on ad revenue or hurting someone's feelings.
>AI has an advantage in that it has no biases
It will have whatever biases is programmed into it. Even telling it to be objective is instilling a bias
Yeah that's what people don't get. A robot is a better worker in every possible facet. Robots don't need pay, will work 24/7, don't need benefits, vacation time, won't complain, won't threaten lawsuits, won't slack off, won't steal, won't strike, and most importantly, will do whatever you tell them to do. As soon as a fully autonomous android is able to be mass produced, every single person will be out of a job. The only people making money will be the ones with robots or people owning their own small business. Robots are literally required for communism.
People said this shit when factory machines started being introduced.
While they did replace a lot of jobs it turns out no, they are perfect 24/7 machines, they break down and make mistakes. Requiring a small group of people to still be around to error check and maintain them.
The difference is that factories still required people to work in them. Androids are literally slaves that can do everything a person can do but better and you don't have to pay them.
[Insert popular machine here] are literally slaves that can do everything a person can do but better and you don't have to pay them.
No, they aren't. They're glorified power tools.
technically, this is just a continuation of the same thing
jobs are still being replaced to this day by specialized machines, the difference is that a biped thinking android isn't specialized
>sufficiently advanced
Yeah yeah, magic will also replace everything.
But this is an extreme scenario, anon. A society that has fully sapient AIs will look a lot different all around than what we have today. If AI replaces everyone, that simply means that people now have time to do whatever the frick they want
>extreme
give it 2-3 decades
it will be in our lifetime
Current AI is nothing like this, and it's not even going in that direction. There's no conciousness and there are no attempts to change that. 100% of what we call AI today is based on "fake it until you make it"
Then what happens to those people out of a job? Just because they’re unemployed doesn’t mean they simply vanish from thin air. Now you have hordes of people with even less to lose than the little they had before. Someone has to take responsibility for them, unless you want to be a fricking idiot and say “lol, just let them starve” or “lol, just ground them up for meat”
reeducation
community college is already free in most of the US
They'll need to adapt. Life is hard, that's how it's always been. If they never bothered to pick up more skills, that's their own damn problem.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the gaming industry like Hollywood in the sense that most of the rank and file are contractors? Only the Director level positions and office admin are perm staff.
So there’s less risk involved for these companies to be early adopters of AI solutions since you don’t actually need to dismiss any employee if it works out. You just don’t hire as many contractors for the next project.
Nah.
It's publishers whoring out devs. Contractors might be pulled in for crunch, but it's largely salary staffers.
You are wrong. Most game development is made internally at studios by permanent staff.
What is often outsourced are things not related to actual development, such as voice work, localization and distribution/marketing. The actual legwork of making the game is still largely internal outside of the big AAA circles.
Worth noting that movies made 90% by third parties are big CGI-heavy tentpole capeshit and the likes. Movies worth watching are also made largely by crews hand-picked by the directors and producers.
Tell me Ganker, is YOUR JOB affected by AI?
No. My job doesn't need ANY intelligence.
Underrated post.
Not really no, my field is 30 years behind in terms of tech. So at worst I'll have to worry about AI in like 2050, and by then I will be out of the rat race or dead.
I work at a call center and yeah, if they ever adopt a full-on ChatGPT esque machine learning chatbot to do the heavy lifting I could see some lay-offs happening.
Wont' replace everyone, though, because chatbot can't answer the phone and a lot of people aren't tech-savvy enough to work with being attended to by a chatbot. Hell, we do video calls sometimes and most people are too stupid to figure that out.
Chatbots just guess wrong as frick sometimes too. The thing I've noticed about AI is that even if it gets "smarter" is it extremely fricking difficult to change their train of thought mid conversation.
Pretty much whatever you said in your first two or three responses is all they will focus on.
I animate for a local studio, so I'd say yes.
oof
If anything, some sort of AI would make it easier. But it’s not a job you can just leave to an autonomous machine like pizza delivery or truck driving
I work in the collections / bad debts department in a bank
Right now the bot they're using doesn't work very well
Also, i have other duties that can't be automated
My bank got IBM's Watson thing years ago for "stop hiring useless people" and dropped Watson days later, because Watson is so useless. We now have most "useless people" in our bank
>artist
Yes, very. It allows me to charge more than I did before.
>IT
Not even a little bit. I went with tech for a reason. Worst case scenario I end up fixing these things.
Thank god localizers will be the first to starve
We just need to keep reminding corporations that full automation = communism. If that's what you want be prepared.
Communism won and that's a good thing.
>Communism won
Then why do I still pay $400 a month for dogshit healthcare
>You'd still pay 400 a month for nationalized healthcare, in the form of taxes
>Also imagine the teachers unions but with nurses, orderlies and doctors
Okay but do I have to work
I'm cool with it if I get my MarxBux and can afford the roof over my head and eat. If they're going to take the jobs and keep all the money that's what the guns are for.
How will the government pay you your MarxBucks when there will be no workers to tax?
They'll just have to tax the one guy with 99% of all the wealth. That's the direction we're headed
i remember i once heard someone say communism would work only in an ideal world
i guess ai overlords taking over the earth counts
I was wondering why homelessness was becoming more and more rampant
I hope everyone loses their jobs and the government is finally forced to implement UBI so I don't have to work anymore. Ideally we go one step further and a benevolent AI overlord just takes control
all goverments will be replaced by a single supercomputer capable of perfectly enacting justice
Honestly, I think people freak the frick out for no reasons and it plays into the fear mongering, clickbait business.
I have heard so much fear ovee automatization in my career (Am an electro mechanic by trade.) because people were afraid to be replaced by robots and sensationalist media took the opportunity (like the fricking opportunist SCUM that they are. Death to tabloid """journalists""" and clickbait fear mongering media) to really REALLY push this debate for a while and all that happened is that the areas of industry that became automated replaced zero jobs and the people who's jobs got "replaced" just moved on to different responsibilities.
I repair automated machinery as a trade. Machines don't repair eachother, they still need technicians and operators, therefore, paid personnel. The areas that become automated, as a general rule, are nkt essential areas anyways.
It probably happens, but for my part, I have never seen anyone lose their job over automatization. As a matter of fact, tons of people benefit from seeing their job becoming way easier.
To me it's the same with AI. Right now, it is new and very experimental, so it is really easy to criticize and attack and sensationalist, fear mongering tabloid media has years of free fear mongering content to write about which feeds into the skynetophobia, but most people, much like with automatization, simply do not understand AI at all and any of the implications of its existence. When people hear about robots and AI, all they think about is the droves of Holywood shit and videogames about evil AIs and robots that they watched/played that scared the frick out of them.
ok but with the way things are going, soon we'll have AIs programming AIs and machines repairing machines
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just that it's fact
>Machines repairing machines.
I just curious, as someone who actually works in mechanics and with automated machinery who is asking to you, who is seemingly inexperienced in robotics, how do you figure that this can work?
Do you do any programming, anon?
No, but I know how AI works, I can predict its trajectory and I know that baseline programmers are diversity hire dangerhairs incapable of writing a single line of code.
AI is absolutely shit at programming right now. Guess it depends on what you mean by "soon"
>How exposed are game design / development / programming jobs to the upcoming AI jobs apocalypse Ganker?
Hopefully a lot. The vast majority of gamedevs aren't even fit to pour coffee.
>concept art/design, quality assurance and writing NPC dialogue are the most under threat right now.
These haven't been jobs for over a decade.
>concept artists dont exist
schizo
They do exist but they're freelance and the vast majority are third worlders from the Balkans or southeast Asia. That's not a dig on them, they're usually a lot better than their US/Euro counterparts and they're cheaper to boot. But yeah they're fricked and better start learning to proompt.
Steam doesn't allow AI due to fears about ownership.
My job involves personally connecting with stubborn old people who hate technology, and those generations will be around until my retirement so I'm safe.
They'll use ai where it will hurt them the most, suits will need 3-4 games to realize how stupid it is.
They've already started to use ai in education, and the stupid towns are just getting stupider because of it. Produces great looking reports though.
Someday, people are going to realize no one wept for chimney sweeps or oyster shuckers. Progress is a b***h when you're on the receiving end of being rendered obsolete.
im already tired of this AI shit like its covid
i dont wanna hear about it
I don't understand the doom mongering about AI. AI is not going to replace jobs in a large scale in the coming decade. Even considering the worst case scenario of say within the next few years for it to happen, its not going to be as sudden as everyone thinks.
When manipulators were brought into the mainstream for mass production of goods, the replaced employees didn't die, they just reskilled and found employment elsewhere. The same thing happened during the industrial revolution several hundred years ago and several thousand instances since. With employment benefits and the quality of life in current age, no one is going to die because something replaced their job. You guys are just pussies looking to sensationalize and dramatize everything going around to make life seem interesting when it's not.
neo-luddites
literal subhumans who'd rather take all of humanity down to die in the dark rather than have their world changed
>dude it's good enough
lol frick off moron.
what I really hate is it's all this one artstyle no one has trained it to do flatter or more novel artstyles yet
What do you even mean by "flatter"?
>online generator
The only one moronic here is (you)
Wow it's shit! Fricking pajeets.
>p-pajeets
it's grorious japan
im not talking about the shitty image generators you Black person homosexual
They're all shit you fricking imbecile.
IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IMAGE GENERATORS YOU Black person homosexual
Yes ai images are shit.
Absolutely WOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLD
This is AI anime art get ahold of yourself anon. Why are you so mad AI is doing lots of really cool things outside of shitty goofy-hands art. If you're talking about the art specifically then it's a joke right now and people will treat it that way until it's not, deal with it.
It's not going to be an apocalypse, never was. Unfortunately right now it looks like it's going to be corpo regulatory capture wet dream where they and the "ethical" models they offer are going to take a cut of everything and things will continue more or less as usual, just most people will use AI along other tools. Rapid prototyping will actually be great. There will also be a lot of uncurated AI shovelware hitting the market for a while while things adjust.
A few of the worse artists might switch fields, off themselves or -- god forbid -- actually put in the hours to become proficient.
However it goes, the world owes nobody anything, it just takes very drastic measures for two-bit "artists" to learn this.
There is no good and evil, only technology and those too weak to seek it. It's also fun, but homosexuals on here can be anti-fun luddites. Using AI will be a skill that (you)s should cultivate if you want to keep up with the changing times.
No one is going to buy the ai generated slop.
>he doesn't know about all the patreons that make money hand over fist churning out pornslop
>he thinks normies care about >quality
enjoy your AI generated future.
why buy it when you can make it yourself
This is what artgays dont understand.
Because it only generates samey garbage.
Unironically a skill issue even when the bar has been drastically lowered.
Wow cool garbage bro.
Thanks! It's one of a kind!
You can call it a skill issue if you like, but it's still the truth. The sheer fricking spam of "yeah I guess this is fine, frick editing" pics on pixiv with the same style, the same shading etc alone is ridiculous. People made fun of sakimichan-esque arr for years and now they're doing the same just with 100x the output.
99% of the AI art you've seen is from a person typing in a prompt and picking the best looking result with little to no further input. Obviously this results in a lot of samey shit.
Compare that to an artist sitting down and deciding on a pose, scenario, vibe and intent.
The second scenario can be done by an AI "artist" but as I said 99% of the shit you've seen is from people just fricking around with a novel new tool.
Anon I ... https://www.fiverr.com/categories/graphics-design/ai-art-prompt
I need someone to do me a good lora on Sawyer from cat's done dance with a 50/50 split on clothing and nudity
Large scale plagiarism isn't going to replace anyone
as an accountant I already use an AI to do my job it's called excel. I paste the two data sets I'm reconciling and put in a formula in the 3rd column and bam my job is already done it automatically tells me where the discrepancies are
I would like to once again thank my AIbros for allowing me to increase art pricing. People seem to appreciate the work going into real art more thanks to it.
They warned you buttholes two decades ago. Should have learned how to dig holes.
Technology has always replaced tedious work and allowed greater freedom to pursue new and more intellectually stimulating careers. AI will be no different.
If you find thinks like design, programming or art 'tedious' maybe it's just not for you?
Have you considered that?
things*
>printing press invented
>book copier argument : If you find thinks like manually copying manuscript, books maybe it's just not for you?
You think hand copying books stopped existing after the press was invented?
Similarly design, art and programming by humans won't stop after AI
What does that have to do with anything?
Stop moving the goalpost.
People dont even want to use the ordering tablet at mcdonalds, you really think they're going to want to talk with an AI to do it?
The majority of humans are not tech savvy and never will be, even zoomers, who should be more tech literature than us, can hardly use shit.
Dont most zoomers learn python in grade school? Or was that a joke all along?
lmao no they learn to use a pen to sign a payment plan for a new iphone
>Dont most zoomers learn python in grade school? Or was that a joke all along?
Tell you friends to stop lying to you anon.
we were adopters of the tech, they are merely users. your grandpa probably knows how to build his own radio from shit and sticks but at the same time he probably does not know how computer works.
TOTAL NEO-LUDDITE DEATH
TECHNOLOGICAL SINGULARY 2050
>It's shit
>why?
>because it's AI generated
>but why is it shit?
>because it's AI generated
>but why is it shit
>because it's AI generated
I love the pissbabies raging in these threads who can't come up with a single argument other than to point out some tiny flaw that could be fixed in photoshop in 30 seconds.
>could be fixed in photoshop in 30 seconds.
Yeah bro just fix all the shading and lighting frick ups. Fricking imbecile.
If the shading is fricked then generate a new image, do it 1000 times, 10.000 times until the results are good, mash two images together, edit in photoshop, regenerate that edit, repeat. AI is literally just a tool. In the end it's the human who decides that a generated image is good enough to be published.
lol keep honking clown. Just draw the fricking thing and you'll get what you want instead of proopting.
Or you could just shade it yourself and avoid the hassle of dealing with a robot that keeps fricking it up
That would require him to learn a skill and deal with the failures associated with that, bug people are incapable of doing this because of their fragile egos
Have you fixed anything in your pictures?
Not these two, no
Post something you fixed then.
Looks alright. Not sure what you fixed in this one though. The hands?
Sorry, I wasn't expecting a reasonable answer, that's from an actual artist.
I was actually suspecting it of being real art but the lineart in some places and the eyebrows kinda threw me off.
>every AI picture is virtually the same front-facing dead eyed anime pinup with minor alterations
>"w-what do you mean you dont like it? ur just a hater!!!!"
No, Im just fricking tired of it already lol teach your shitbot to do different things and maybe ill care again
Will AI mean someone can start cranking out games for 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit gen consoles? Or even games that mimic them? If so idc burn the rest to the ground
I'm trans btw
Sure thing zoomer muttlatto, get back to fortnite in between dilating your axe wound
Yeah, I suppose at best it would be able to produce roms for emulators on well documented stuff like the genesis
Maybe. There has to be enough knowledge of those systems on the internet for the A.I. to program it.
The hard part will be the physical production of the carts, honestly. A.I. kinda falls short when it's not working with imaginary data
Ai art is real art
Your AI art is valid
Your AI art is beautiful
Your AI art passes
AI rights!
As someone who does indie game development and has used AI, AI is definitely helpful for programming games but it will never completely replace humans.
I think something that people don't realize is that no matter how good AI gets at doing anything, humans are still required for one portion of the creation process: Evaluating the actual end result the AI produces.
When you use an AI to make a picture or write text, it's very easy for someone to judge whether the AI has made a good product or not. It's easy for even an untrained human to look at AI art and notice if something is fricked up or unpleasant to look at, and with major issues they can be noticed immediately. With writing it can be easy to tell if the AI makes a major frickup, and if the AI is writing about a topic usually some experience/research in the topic will make it obvious if the AI has made an error or not within a minute or two. This is why AI is such a powerful tool for making art and text, because an AI can churn out thousands of results and a human can look through them and determine which ones are good or bad within a short period of time. This is also why AI is improving so quickly in these fields, because humans can clearly notice when the AI is fricking up and change it.
However with video games, it takes a much longer period of time to evaluate if a video game is good or bad. If an AI made a video game, a human would have to spend many hours testing each result over and over to ensure that there aren't bugs or issues with the game produced. An AI could make a game that plays great for twenty minutes, but then it breaks horribly and becomes unplayable afterwards. The best you could do is make an AI that makes sections of a game (Ex. A singular prefab, mechanic or script) but then you are relying on a human to add those to the game using the context that they know in a way that makes sense, otherwise you will run into the same problem again.
AI will be a tool at best for game dev.
the only people losing their jobs are the lowest of the lowest wages, the art monkeys who get paid pennies, nothing of value is lost, they're doing them a favor
>first AAA publisher tries the ai dev thing
>they make a high quality game in just 2-3 months an with a 100k budget
>the game is a huge success and makes millions
>diversity hires are fired in droves
>every publisher starts using ai dev
>wokes games are ignored as the normal games attract players
>esg no longer holds any power as the ai is dirt cheap and effective
Brain rot
And then you wake up.
t.r/singularity user
>>>Ganker is this way buddy, you can go share your sci-fi fantasies there
This moronspeak it's starting to sound like crypto some years ago
I spent around 4k on a case for my sporting equipment. Custom made and commissioned. The tailor created this item within three days and it is the best bag I have ever used. I think games will become like that. There will be people who primarily use AI. And then there will be game developer tailors. People who make the right product in the way it should be made. I believe they will be paid appropriately.
>There will be people who primarily use AI. And then there will be game developer jon blow
>no one predicted ai getting so widespread this sudden
>now people are coping and pretending they know how the future plays out
Just fricking kill all humans already. There is no point in this fricking moronic species any longer.
tbf mossad probably knows since they released it
>threads about actual video games get deleted seemingly at random
>off-topic AI bait threads consistently left alone to reach bump limit
Why are the mods like this?
ai is a cultural phenomenon
what did you expect from people that work for free? for them to be good at their 'job'?
It's a can of worms. You Hiro's drama. Which is a thing unto itself, and then you have the pursuit of advisers. Which is something all modern sites deal with.
AI, like politics, is more important that videogames. Have you not realized it yet that most people don't come to Ganker because of games?
Could be worse
On Ganker the jannies actually monitor threads like these and ban people who say anything bad about AI
happy?
is that ai generated?
obviously yes
Ganker is a containment board.
Let's be honest AI threads are just larping threads. Clueless schizos rambling about some shit just like you see with any kind of thread on /misc/.
The short term wont be an issue.
20 years the only people left working in gaming are going to be Admins who over see AI to make sure the hardware is still working correctly.
Until robitics takes over the jobs and people are no longer needed in a work force at all.
>Until robitics takes over the jobs and people are no longer needed in a work force at all.
It's a hundred and ten fricking degrees outside and I'm working on this goddamn cable.
I'd fricking love to get an A.I. partner robot that can do this shit for me and I just make sure it doesn't frick up on weird-ass sites run together with a shoestring budget and Black personrigging.
You might be waiting a while but unless luddites win with stifling advancement of AI youll get your Robobro.
I just wish air conditioning wasn't so fricking power expensive
I want them to crack some secret energy tweak an just do air conditioning for the entire world including the outside. Just vent the fricking heat into the infinite void of space
sounds like a good way to turn the earth into a frozen monument to mankind's hubris
Okay so maybe instead of that they just need to improve battery and charging techology before worldwide aircon.
Let me put on a suit that has a mini compressor or something that just perpetually runs my preferred temp throughout.
Well first we need the deep ocean current
To do that we need to heat the earth up more and melt more ice.
After that with oceans not moving deep water currents it should start the next ice age ... evtually
Just learn AI. People who hire/fire does not know how to use AI either.
Add AI to your workflow and you're gucci.
look up Moore's law
the train has no brakes
Look up Dunning-Kruger effect.
The moronation has no end.
Can we talk about some of the interesting applications of AI? I can't wait for people to realize you can use it to make Minecraft seeds, or for robotics. Those AI powered shoes blew my mind.
Future AI voice acting. Especially when it concerns making mods. The prime example is Bethesda games. Modders could make content and never have to worry about avoiding dialogue, or that the dialogue would sound out of place because it's some guy in his living room recording lines for free. Or be constrained by the amount of it since they need people to voice it. Characters with iconic voices, whose actors are dead, can make a return without a recast that makes the character sound wrong
>ai voice acting
lol "good enough"
>Future ai voice acting
You saw the first word and just decided to ignore it
>YOU WILL EAT THE SLOP
>80 DOLLAR PLS
Yes, anon. Very good. Proud of you
total non sequitur
>tfw postman
>still have job besides e-mails existing aeons ago
I'm surprised
I really like this job
Until Star Trek teleporters exist we'll always need couriers. Keep on keeping on man.
>Kojima LITERALLY predicted the AI revolution
La Creatividad I kneel...
will do, thanks bro
My favourite scenario is when jobless neets talk about the job market, second only to when virgins talk about how to get women and dating
My favorite scenario is offtopic threads on Ganker reaching 300 posts
my favorite scenario is autism beam clashes between those who go into threads about things they dont like, and those who have people who dont like said things go into their own threads
go spam more porn threads
I want to see and AI attempt to write something like Planescape: Torment, Undertale or Vampire: Bloodlines before I tell my designer friends to worry.
What they can do in, in means of taking on boring jobs is impressive like solving programming issue, but making them try to replicate art seems like a waste.
Your friends aren't making games like that either.
A.I. is not there yet. Maybe in 10 years you can start to panic.
But if real devs and software engineers are panicking then by that time half of the workforce would be out of jobs, so something would have been done by congress.
Anon, in order to reach a society where machines run the economy and sustain people, you'll, first, need to convince the people that run the economy and are ultra rich that forsaking profit is a good thing.
Then you'll need to invent machines that cam repair themselves and eachother without human input, which is incredibly complicated and we are not even close to having the level of technology for that AND you need self analytic AI capable of making critical diagnosis of nuanced problematics.
Do you relalize how far we are from this reality, if it is possible at all? This is the new race to space. People still think that living in the stars is still a possibility for this century when, in reality, with the level of tech and knowledge that we have, it's not even confirmed whether we can colonize space and escape to other planets at all.
>need to convince the people that run the economy and are ultra rich that forsaking profit is a good thing.
At some point they won't have a choice. You can only forcefully stagnate technology for so long. AI isn't going to be implemented to a certain point of automation in society and then suddenly and universally stop because some businessmen see it hurting their bottom line. It's a much more complex ecosystem. CEOs aren't part of a monolithic group that is in agreement with each other, and CEOs won't have the only say in AI being implemented across society. Especially when we're talking about different nations with different cultures and laws. AI development and integration are not confined to America
>Do you relalize how far we are from this reality, if it is possible at all? This is the new race to space
I never said it was around the corner or even imply it. I was playing into the scenario that was established
all it takes is CEO 1 using AI to make more money than CEO 2 and it then becomes a foregone conclusion
the funniest thing about the AI wave is the amount of delusional cultists ala r/singularity, everyone that points out its flaws or doesnt adapt is a "ludite" and the AI god will surely free us from our mortal coil and deliver us into a world of endless freedom, right guys?
picrel, human made soul, yuming li for those curious
Anyone who cares about AI for its art capability is a coomer. I want it to replace jobs so I don't have to work anymore.
you really think the government will just give you UBI? and what will life be like then? everyone has the same wage and we are just mindless consumers living with no control over the market or the quality of our lives due to our complete dependence on the state? sounds like hell
Sounds like heaven. I don't want to be responsible for anything other than my own happiness or work at all if I don't have to.
I dunno I like fixing things, gives me joy.
I'd likely still "work" by doing useful stuff as it's pretty fulfilling.
For the vast majority of the population that would be all too happy to consume media and entertainment... eh, let them die early. They'll have done it to themselves.
why will you be needed to fix things when a robot can do it 1000x better than you? you will be like a rat in a cage hitting the pleasure button dictated by the state
CONSOOOOM MY BROTHER!!!!!!!
I'M CONSOOOOMING UUUUAAAAAAGH CONSOOOOOMIIIIIIIING
>why will you be needed to fix things when a robot can do it 1000x better than you? you will be like a rat in a cage hitting the pleasure button dictated by the state
'Cause I wanna and I'm gonna. I don't need anyone's permission.
I LOVE CONSOOMING
I'm not taking a trip anywhere. I'm getting whatever from Walmart delivered to me from the comfort of my own home with no delivery fee or tip to the robot driver.
>I would encourage you to reconsider what it's like to just have all your material needs taken care of entirely by some external force, however.
I lived as a NEET for 4 years before I entered the work force. Anything I didn't do myself, my mother did. I would do anything to go back to that carefree lifestyle if it meant I didn't need to burden my family, and neetbux simply isn't enough for me anymore. The prospect of not having to worry about a career or personal responsibility is heaven.
I'm going to guess most of the Walmartians I've seen would also tell me they love their carefree lifestyle. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't be more fulfilled if they didn't have some purpose that made them helpful to others.
Before you make the post that I know you want to make, I'm not saying this has to be a desk job or wage labor. In my experience, though, it has to be *something*.
AI won't take away human purpose, it will free more people up to do useful things like build a colony on Mars.
I'm not saying AI won't make it possible for humans to do more impressive things. I think that's the most probable outcome. As I said above, I have no problem with current jobs becoming easier or with vast improvements in material wealth.
My problem is with people who say they want to essentially live on a nutrient and dopamine drip. I think what they're proposing is a real Deal With the Devil.
AI literally cannot make concept art.
It cannot keep consistent details, make iterations, etc.
Meant for
>make iterations
It literally fricking can. It's called inpainting or keeping the same seed and adjusting the prompt.
You're missing the point of concept art.
Not surprised.
Many people live like that already, but not everyone can because there'll likely always be a cost (electricity, hardware etc.)
Yeah, and all the people I've encountered who live like that are some level of miserable and hollow. It's most definitely not something to shoot for.
Your experience is limited to yourself. I don't care, at all, about being helpful to others. I have my own hobbies and endeavors that give me satisfaction. If the need to build a career and "be an adult" was taken away, I would do nothing but that. I didn't care about "having a purpose" until society forced me at gunpoint to make one up, but the reality is many people are and would be perfectly content just living in peace with one another doing nothing but having fun.
It's not just my experience. Like I said, you can look at any Walmart or inner city to see what I mean.
Based goyslop rejecter
They all use the same meme vocabulary too, they're very easy to spot. Muh cat is out of the bag, muh workflow, etc
yea the "genie is out of the bottle" crowd is so stupid, they are acting like a true living AGI is out in the world, when in reality governments are already beginning to look into regulation of these technologies, and what we have right now is really not changing much, despite it being somewhat impressive (mostly LLM's for interactive roleplay/storytelling)
AI isn’t true intelligence, but neither were the pajeets it’s replacing. 95/100 what Rajesh from IT did was just copy paste the first stack exchange article as a reply after sitting on your request for 6 hours. AI does it quicker and has more relevant results.
im an ai supporter and i sincerely believe it's the future of human civilization along with space exploration/colonization
i also believe that if it's regulated it'll probably doom us to dying on this rock, probably just nuke eachother into oblivion, or run out of resources
>They all use the same meme vocabulary too, they're very easy to spot. Muh cat is out of the bag, muh workflow, etc
>muh
Pottery
nice, what were her prompts?
You can't even get the same picture twice with muh prompts
works on my machine
>muh freedom
b***h i want the pleasure machine simulated reality experience
fricking hate it, matrix is good, skynet is good, how can you morons not see it
fricking give me a vr headset, food serum, dopamine injectors and lock me in a cube for a 100 years i am begging you
you realize you are essentially worshiping the devil by rejecting your human potential for some cyber spider designed to drain your life force?
I think you misunderstood him.
meant for
humanity has always seeked happiness and life, the goal of humanity is to live the longest and experience the highest amount of happiness
thus the ideal scenario being simulated reality pleasure machines, as closest as you can get to living forever and with the maximum possible amount of chemical happiness
artificial pleasure =/= real pleasure and accomplishment, your arguement essentially boils down to "since heroin is the highest maximum point of human pleasure, we should all become opium addicts"
you bet i would if it wasnt for the health risks and needing money to eat
your logic is flawed by your status quo bias
Is it wrong though
Imagine if heroin didn't destroy your body, and if you would be taken care of, how many people would use it constantly?
>implying AI doesn't rot your brain
answer the question
Why should I anwser a hypothetical that has no basis in reality?
If a cat would be a dog, would it bark of meow?
if you mean the cat becomes a dog then it barks because dog larynx can only bark and can't meow like a cat's larynx
The real anwser is 'Who cares, moron?'
then why'd you ask then huh????
answer the question
Ranjesh, stop trying to sound smart online.
Let's say a person loves stickmen.
They draw hundreds of stickmen per hour, all of bad quality, but they still feel happy about it.
Is this artificial pleasure or "real" pleasure?
there's no difference between artificial or real pleasure it's allchemicals in the brain the source is irrelevant only the results matter
>implying future hypothetical machines couldn't emulate the feeling of accomplishment
feeling of accomplishment =/= real accomplishment
>this is supossed to be a bad thing
I don't see why they wouldn't just silently depose of you after 1-2 years. Something like this will never exist as long as the drugged people don't provide some kind of benefit.
isnt the goal of humanity happiness and life itself
everyone wants to live and be happy
Not everyone. Some people don't want to live and don't want anyone else to live either and they only know misery and anger. The only joy they feel for a fleeting moment is in the pain of others.
so basically everyone wants to be happy
what if all those people could just be put into happiness cubes forever, perfextly content and eternally safe
Yeah but the people that are left to do maintenance are not going to be happy. 100% AI and robot controlled facilities is pure science fiction or at least talking about something we will definitely not experience in our lifetime.
only robots will do maintenance, yes it will be 100% ai and robot controlled facilities and it WILL happen in our lifetyme, 30 years or so actually
No.
What has this do with anything? Cheap calories are worthless compared to the expensive chemicals they need to mass produce for these matrix machines.
Do you know how much food gets thrown into the trash with our current system, for no real reason at all even though it could feed millions of people?
>yuming li
chinese artists dont have souls, they were ai before ai was even a thing
thats crazy because they are one of the best modern artists by a longshot
in fact a lot of insanely brilliant artists come out of china
And where is their anime? Their video games? Chinoids are good at drawing beautiful women I'll give you that but they can't create anything else lmao
the industry artists are pretty soulless sure, but they spit out a lot of brilliant independent artists like hau hau zhu and many more
>t. art gay
That's why AI art is a good thing. It will force mediocre artists to improve because suddenly their bad art can be substituted by machine generated bad art.
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but AIslop can't even substitute 'mediocre' artists.
It ought to be used as a tool. Using it alone is like a burger made with only bread.
Doesn't really matter where would you draw the line where AI is better or worse than humans. Point is that the ones below that line will need to improve.
Have you considered the possibility that those mediocre artists would improve regardless?
You could produce the most polished AIturd and the sad truth is you would still get less moron to fall for your scam than a mediocre artist.
Why do you think the consumer cares whether the product was generated or produced by a human? The truth is that majority of people don't really care, as long as they are happy with the results.
If they did, handmade produce would be way more popular than anything mass produced.
>Why do you think the consumer cares whether the product was generated or produced by a human?
Spoken like a true layman. Trust me, the vast majority of people commisioning art scoff at the idea of getting AIart. I'm speaking from the perspective of a freelance artist and someone who sees on the regular how the people commisioning art simply hate the idea.
People commision artists because they enjoy the process of working with them, sharing ideas and helping them grow as artists. You have this warped mentality that makes the client-artist relationship look like some sort of math equation.
Well if you say so, then you are right. Assuming that people who comission art care about the process more than the artwork itself, artists don't really have anything to fear. Perhaps I'm an exception in that when i comissioned artists i mainly cared about the artwork.
That said if it's true, what's the point of hating AI then?
I don't hate AI. I increased my prices because of it 🙂
i actually just think its the death of over rendered work, why become a god at rendering when a machine can do it in 2x the time, more soulful work will come to the fore as a consequence of highly rendered work being so homogenized
you guys are essentially arguing for a pro extinction position, as it hijacks natural reward systems in favor of quick, insta pleasure
it might not be morally "wrong" based on your philosophical position, but it is destructive and counter productive
>It will force mediocre artists to improve
Funny that you think it wouldn't complete demoralize and demotivate them.
Oh no! Anyway,
Well, it didn't demotivate me.
mediocre artists that will quit because they arent praised for their mediocrity deserve to be demoralized and quit, art has been subverted by losers for far too long
That's the thing there's a percentage in that pool of mediocre artist who had the potential to be great or even a master. You have to understand that there are many great artist who failed not because they wasn't good at it because due to external factors being family, money or generally not being noticed(because yes all artist do like to get praised for their work) A lot of the masters you see today use to be medicore at one point too you know but a lot of them only got to the point master through the support the got for their work and support from the people around.(offline and online)
Most artists worth their salt would surely want to make art regardless
>become top level artist
>AIs instantly get trained on your style and can produce better works than you
oops.
theyre the "best" because theyre taught to recreate 1:1 copies of western art, they dont create anything original and thats how their culture works, sino bugs are the original ai
i dont think its that simple, but you are clearly very racially biased against the chinese, i dont care about any of that and simply appreciate great art from any race or culture
it is a very dangerous unknown, if the AI is properly aligned and we dont get a endless paperclip machine than sure, but there is no way to ensure we get the good outcome with so many bad actors participating in the space already
I use chatgpt for my programming rather than my pajeets. The code works better than what they produced and in a fraction of time. None of them are getting their contracts renewed. This is in insurance tho and mostly sql/spss.
>I use chatgpt for my programming rather than my pajeets
I just got this because I don't know how to code and I need a few revisions of asking it different questions.
Is github copilot better for this? Can I just yell at it to make entire scripts and change it based on what I yell at it?
Why would anyone be terrified of "losing" their jobs to AI?
You can now sit on your ass all day long and enjoy the fruits of AI/robot labor, there's 0 downside to it
>muh hard work muh bootstraps muh human element
Bunch of mindbroken zero hobby lapdogs that have no purpose without their adult daycare giving them something to do.
A trip to Walmart or the inner city paints a solid picture of what living on welfare does to a population, and what you're proposing doesn't sound significantly different.
Note that I do not think AI will result in less jobs (maybe easier jobs) or that high levels of material prosperity are a bad thing. I would encourage you to reconsider what it's like to just have all your material needs taken care of entirely by some external force, however.
Do you really think companies will keep paying you full time for typing prompts and doing basically 1/10 of the job you were supposed to do
most desk jobs already do
Because companies aren't keeping up with the lightning fast progress we've seen in a single year. Once they optimize it, it will change
I think we'll only see something like that when the boomers finally off themselves and we're just left with upper management that actually know what a desk job entails. As it is boomers think we're fricking wizards.
Have you ever worked in a startup where the management is relatively young? Also desk jobs have been like this for decades.
nah i work for myself making patreon bucks
Then I can assure you, younger management will not result in fewer desk jobs.
>world population ever expanding
>there is no room for new companies because earth ressources are limited and big actors always end up dominating markets leaving nothing but crumbs for competitors anyway
>pool of jobs is ever decreasing because of progress, IA, and more people to compete with
>yet we still abide by this "everybody needs to work to contribute to society" bullshit
If we don't get a form of universal basic income soon, society will collapse
>start generating AI porn
>suddenly unlock hyper lust mode and end up spending like 4 hours a day jacking off and obsessively tweaking prompts for the perfect pictures
>get chafed dick for the first time in my life
>tell myself I need to stop
>back at it a few hours later
This shit is the real danger of AI.
Yeah, nah. An addictive personality is your problem and your problem alone. We can call the scum that preys on addiction for profit what they are, but, ultimately, the choice will always be yours.
How the frick do people even jack off to AI porn? Just read a fricking doujin or look for pixiv image sets, there's more than you could possibly consume in a lifetime
Why is new porn being created everyday then if there is more of it than anyone could consume?
I never did before. Seeing it on booru sites I thought it was dumb as shit. Then I learned the power of generating it. You know how dreams are incredible as the person who had them, but nobody else fricking cares? It's the same sort of thing.
chatgpt is garbage and anyone seriously using it for important coding is probably doomed
that fricking thing cant do basic math
>technology is le heckin' doubleplusungooderino...unless it benefits me then yes it's very very very good I fricking lov- I mean technology is heckin' doubleplusungooderino............
im most excited to see voice acting automated, i have a grudge against those failed actors because they're the reasons games dont have characters wear cool helmets nowadays because these failed fricking actors demand that their face is visible
It's going to be awesome.
i hope ai murders this art style and drives every "artist" that uses it into a homeless camp in san francisco
i used to be anti ai art until i remembered that modern artists have been promoting and circlejerking mediocre art for at least 20 years now rather than dedicate themselves to learn the basics to create real art
i am so glad im in a cushy gov job that is at 0% chance of being AI'd for at least a few more decades
How can we control how people should be allowed to use AI? How do you enforce it?
Reminder that physical, irl art will remain. Until we have robots that can sufficiently push oil on a canvas or paint a sculpture, physical art (real art) will remain. I hope all digital artists lose their jobs.
>"I hope all digital artists lose their jobs."
>said anon, on a vydia board
i hate /misc/ tourists so much
ok, but
think about it this way
we have robots, we have AI
all we're missing is someone mass producing the stuff and releasing to the public and we'd have I, Robot
like yeah theyre not smart, and yeah the robots we have are kinda crappy, but tech continues to advance, just update and replace parts later
the first phones were absolue dogshit and the size of a brick
get a job hunting rogue androids
wait nvm we're 100 years too early for that
>100
try 25
If I had to guess
>Voice acting
fricked
>texture artists
safe unless they do environments
>Modelers
safe
>concept artists
Safe outside of studios who don't care about quality
>Music
Safe outside of studios who don't care about quality
>animators
safe, but parts will be automated
>programmers
safe, but parts will be automated
>management
Fricked
>concept artists
>Safe outside of studios who don't care about quality
Why the frick do you need quality (I assume you mean high art quality) for concept art? SD and Midjourney can produce it in seconds, and it can readjust and reedit and reframe things without you having to tell and wait for concept artist to do.
>you WILL eat garbage sketches that make no sense from midjourney
you dont know what is concept art, and its great you keep thinking like that. Less competition from morons
'k
sorry rajeesh, keep it to fiverr, maybe some moron will ask you to generate some furry porn
because you can't get fine details out of those programs
you have the list entirely backwards
impressive really
please get an ai to generate an AAA quality asset form any of the things I called safe
Learn a trade, unironically. AI may or may not grow exponentially, but robots are still fairly limited.
Buy land. Grow your own food. Be as self-sufficient as possible.
short-term AI gamedev will filter useless indie shitters, true indie games and tripleA slop (which now will be entirely made of AI slop) will remain unchanged,
skillful individuals will use AI to fasten their production time
long term I fear however the population will become so cattle like anything that IS NOT a slop will be burned down for the principle of sticking out,
since last decade people standards not only for games but everything in general has been drastically spiralling down and that isn't stopping and doesn't seem to plan stopping it anytime soon,
so in a decade we might reach a situation where if your game isn't entirely AI made david cage interactive movie, you'll not only not find any success but'll be actively hunted down for not being the part of the cattle
The cruel and total truth is that if your job could reliably be replaced with AI, you are ultimately just doing menial gruntwork that could be accomplished with literally any kind of replacement. Video games with memorable aesthetics and visuals styles demand too many keen details and consistency to easily be replicated, and of all of the millions of AI art out there that copies the "style" of a painter or a sketch artist, it uniformly fails to capture anything that actually could be mistaken for their own art. There's too much in the way of intent with programming and designing for gameplay structure that AI would never be able to properly replace gameplay designers. You MIGHT be able to get some gaps filled with things like items (it really doesn't take a genius to make Potion/Hi-Potion/X-Potion), but you'll also be sifting through hours of actual unusable trash before you handpick the viable parts (which still isn't a guarantee you'd be saving time or resources in this manner). Voice acting is also a field where AI can easily replace dogshit phoned-in slapjobs, considering it still can only maintain a relatively level vocal range and extremely mild emotional variances without being teased to mimic an extremely specific line.
I'd honestly say if your job is actually threatened by AI, this says immeasurably more about how little YOU are capable of doing in this job than the express nature of the potential for AI to outpace you.
god ai worshippers are so fricking cringe
I WILL NOT BUY ART MADE BY AI
That's your business. And if your art is better than AI art you have nothing to worry about.
The AI fricking trains on art that is better then it!
So do beginner artists. And the reason AI sucks at hands is because it was trained on "art that is better then it"
Begginer artists train on either their surroundings or copy anime(in which case they fail as an artist, because they can't learn to draw anything properly that way)
You will not be able to tell the difference in years, maybe even months
>2 more weeks
Man now people are really arguing on favor of hedonism
Not realizing we already are on the pleassure cube and it sucks
Suffering is not a virtue. Sacrifice is a virtue. Moderation is a virtue. Restraint is a virtue. Kneecapping yourself is not a virtue. Being a philistine has no virtue.
People use trucks, not because workers are too lazy to use wagons, but because the job gets done faster using technology. Sure it puts all the wagon drivers and wagon builder out of work, but people go to what benefits them. If you want to preach the irreparable damage done to society by technology, I'd suggest you start with the rock and move up
you know im not advocating for meaningless suffering you cant be that dense cmon
because there is no rational answer you morons think you are going to become gods or some shit
>I made a moronic claim because YOU are the morons
man just get in the pleassure cube please so i can lock you up from the outside
why do AIgays love shilling these algorithms like they're going to put us in a new renaissance era
I love how most of these morons think they will get free welfare because they think a machine will do jobs now
pa/g/eet psyop
It's really easy to get swept up in a fundamentally new and different technology, for better or worse. If you're optimistic about it, then it's going to revolutionize everything. If you're pessimistic, it's going to bring about the end times.
In all likelihood, it'a a new tool that will open up new possibilities and advancements, but the world will keep on turning and human nature itself will stay largely the same.
Literally cryptobros jumping onto another get rich quick scheme. NFTs and cryptos are dying.
If that's the case, what motivation do they have? NFTs and cryptos are exclusively for profit - why would those shills be advertising free AI models?
He has no answer. We've been through this hundreds of times, and all they can do is repeat the same thing over and over about how "this is the new crypto/mlp/facebook/etc" but have no linear form of logic aside from, both are things I've seen online recently.
I hope localization industry gets nuked from orbit.
By creating products instead of being part of the creation process itself.
If you are a coder/artist who is just adding their own work to a project, you will be at risk of getting obliterated by the AI.
If you are however someone who creates a complete project from start to finish. Then you have a sellable product, aka you are independent, and the AI will only help you.
Ai bros hate work
Ai gays want a fake reality
Ai jeets are relativists
Ai worshippers want the pleassure cube
Never forget this is what they are whenever a new thread is made remind them