How important is it to adhere to the source material when adapting something like a video game to the big screen?

How important is it to adhere to the source material when adapting something like a video game to the big screen? Isn't most of the appeal of doing that to give fans the live-action version of the thing they love, with actors who look the part, story that generally follows the ones from the games, and set pieces that hearken back to those seen in the game?
What is the point in adapting something for established fans, only to then throw everything out in favor of making it "yours"? If you wanted to make something yours, why not make something new?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm tired of morons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think she was being genuinely sincere here before Netflix forced her to diversify it. Remember, Netflix has literal diversity quotas that it's productions must fill

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would say that she should have stood by her words and just left, but paychecks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I think [creature who's both female and gnomish] was being sincere
          i sincerely doubt that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The two girls with Borch are supposed to be African women. They describe them as being from "a land with striped horses" also with darker skin. However they're not exotic or a rare sight in the Netflix show because there's so many random blacks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We OWN ur country white boi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re a black man, not a garden gnome

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re a black man, not a garden gnome

        >cry racism and let loose the morons of war
        ((They)) own this country, morons are lucky enough to be their dogs of war though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tired of morons
      bro even black people are tired of seeing their own race on screen in roles they shouldn't be in. Look at Resident Evil.

      just watched one episode when it came and stopped watching, everything afterwards I heard about on here

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the idea is to improve what you're adapting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why do all of them suck? All fans want is the source material faithfully adapted to the big screen. They don't want someone else's interpretation, especially if they're just gonna throw everything out from the source material that made it a fan favorite.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are sometimes specific reasons why certain changes are made. It depends on what's being done.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There are sometimes specific reasons why certain changes are made.
          And yet they are almost always in direct conflict with what the fans wanted. It's almost like they are antagonizing them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Different fans will want different things. Sometimes producers/writers/etc. won't bother with trying to figure out what the general consensus is.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's pretty fucking easy.
              Make sure the actors look like the characters
              Make sure the story is mostly similar to that in the games
              Make sure the locales look like the ones in the games
              That is literally what any video game fan wants. They don't want "Halo, but not really."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Make sure the actors look like the characters
                There are a number of reasons not to do this, one of them is probably this:
                >most fans who want the actors to look like the characters won't bother saying so, partly because that's the default
                >other fans who want more representation complain online about it
                >therefore producers get it in mind that fans all want more representation because they don't hear from those that don't

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >partly because that's the default
                If it's the default then why not go with it?

                >Make sure the actors look like the characters
                That's always a big issue though. People take for granted how much an advantage it is in games, comics, cartoons, etc. to be able to perfectly craft the exact look you want for a character vs needing to go off finding a real life person who looks the part, can act the part, and will work on it.

                Cosplayers do it all the fucking time and nail it. If Hollywood can't do what some 7/10 girl can do in her basement with foam and hot glue, then what the fuck?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you think you can and should improve something in adapting it and you think all the fans want it then why not go for it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are no fans that want representation though, that shoots a holes in your position. They are made up, they do not exist, black girls like Sailor Moon. Stop perpetuating their narrative.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong, those people do exist and they are the vapid normalfags among normalfags who probably make themselves or only pick human in a fantasy game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you were to actually quantify them compared to the core fans and compared to the impartial normies who dont yet have a preference they are so far in the minority they might as well not exist but fine sure, they technically exist. But out of 10 black girls who like Sailor Moon only 1/20 (I made this up) of them is going to say "there should be a black sailor moon too" please stop perpetuating their bullshit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are probably some, but you can still pose as a fan demanding representation and all that jazz, and it looks the same to producers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There are no fans that want representation though
                bro, you're currently crying about not being represented lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No im not you fucking mouthbreather, you see enemies everywhere, I do not want to be represented in any way shape or form. FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF "bro" dumb fuck

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't cry, man.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm fucking Mexican and the only time I ever see my people on TV or movies is when they need a drug cartel or gang members. Meanwhile, blacks are in literally everything while not even being as big a population as us.
                Does that mean I want Jill Valentine to be a Mexican? No. There is already a Latino character in Resident Evil.
                The representation shit is fucking retarded. Make the movies like the games. End of story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yes my race gets cucked in matters of representation, but do i want a solution to that? NO I WANNA GET KEKED SO MUCH MORE
                Easy, Pablo. You're gonna choke on that garden gnome cock.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Representation doesn't matter. Making a good movie or TV show does.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Representation doesn't matter
                Good goy. Make sure to watch the next narco-themed show like the cattle you are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't watch shit.

                Are you anti-garden gnome AND pro representation? What are you?

                He's just being contrarian because he thinks it will rile people up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ALL MEXICANS ON TV ARE NARCOS
                >lol i don't watch le clown world TV
                You're so fucking stupid lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you anti-garden gnome AND pro representation? What are you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wh-whoa man, youre supposed to be ONLY antisemitic for no reason whatsoever! youre ruining our narrative!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Make sure the actors look like the characters
                That's always a big issue though. People take for granted how much an advantage it is in games, comics, cartoons, etc. to be able to perfectly craft the exact look you want for a character vs needing to go off finding a real life person who looks the part, can act the part, and will work on it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Make sure the actors look like the characters
                No. The film version of Norman Bates bears no resemblance to his book version, but is vastly superior.
                >Make sure the story is mostly similar to that in the games
                Why? A lot of games have terrible stories. You have to go case by case. Some stories adapt well, others don't.
                >Make sure the locales look like the ones in the games
                Case by case. For example, the Resident Evil movies use way cooler architecture and aesthetics than anything the games can dish up.
                >That is literally what any video game fan wants.
                "Videogame fans" are not "the general consensus". Book fans will tell you that Stephen Spielberg's Jurassic Park is a soulless piece of trash that ruins the book. But the general audience will side with Spielberg. Dahl hated the Charlie Bucket character in the old movie. But most people will agree with the director that the Charlie in the book is a boring little tit and it was necessary to jazz him up. Same with Grandpa Joe. Same with Wonka himself, who not only doesn't wear any of the costume elements from the book (they changed all the colours on purpose) he has a completely different personality.

                "But the book fans want..." The book fans can get bent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Resident Evil movies use way cooler architecture and aesthetics than anything the games can dish up.
                Lol, no.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Resident Evil films take aesthetically mediocre source material and tur n it into literal art.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the movies are fine and pretty fun if you turn your brain off. That being said, you can make a faithful RE movie too and have it be just as fun. They're not mutually exclusive. Hell, the first RE movie had times where it felt like the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That being said, you can make a faithful RE movie too and have it be just as fun.
                Being fun isn't enough. Being commercially successful matters way more. The CG movies are "fun" but nobody likes them except game fans. RE: Infinite Darkness came out on Netflix, and nobody cared. Nobody cares about Resident Evil that is like the games. The games are not actually popular for the stories and characters. They're popular because the gameplay is good. The same is true of Halo. Something like 10% of players reached the ending of Halo Infinite. Nobody gives a shit about any of the plot in Halo anymore. So it's no wonder the Halo TV show has gone in its own direction. Catering to a new audience with different ideas about storytelling.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The movies literally inspired the style of the games from 4 and up. 4 and umbrella Chronicles literally even have a tribute to the laser door scene from the first movie

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The resident evil films are pretty faithful to the spirit of the games quite honestly. The resident evil series was birthed as a game adaption of cheesy b zombie movie and the resident evil films are cheesy b zombie movies

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem these shows have is that they're given to writers who hate or don't care about the source material and use the show as means to basically write the original story they always wanted to tell but could never find a studio willing to fund it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they're given to writers who hate or don't care about the source material
          Bingo. Hollywood would never, ever give these projects to people who like the games because these daaptions are 100% about shitting on the games. Games are a direct competitor to Holywood and Hollywood would love nothing better than mangle the source material just to prove a point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >games are a direct competitor to hollywood

            LMAO! Only in the heads of gaming fags.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Games make more money.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hollywood is only box office sales.

                Go educate yourself anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, what else is it?

                >ALL MEXICANS ON TV ARE NARCOS
                >lol i don't watch le clown world TV
                You're so fucking stupid lmao

                What the fuck point are you trying to make? If Hollywood is so stressed about representation, then why aren't Latinos given more representation while being a bigger population than blacks? Why does diversity noly mean more blacks?
                I'm holding Hollywood to their own standards and you're acting like I'm the one in the wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I HATE REPRESENTATION BECAUSE MY OWN RACE ISN'T REPRESENTED ENOUGH
                Are you even aware of how fucking retarded you sound right now?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the retard. It literally makes no sense to have blacks represented in media far more than Latinos when Latinos make up a bigger part of the population. That is math, you dumb fucking gay.
                Whites = biggest audience
                Latinos = second biggest
                Blacks = third biggest
                Yet, the dichotomy doesn't work like that. Why doesn't it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it were about total audience representation, and making money, they'd make over half the cast Chinks. Instead they hurt their earnings in Asia by shoving morons in.
                If it were about American audience representation, they'd replace garden gnomes with Hispanics.
                It is not about either. It is about biased discrimination to keep opportunities from whites (Racism) ("reverse racism").

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hollywood has licensing, merchandise, home media, ect. Movies on average have cheaper production costs than games and have a higher lifetime earning potential. The majority of gaming's profit comes from MTX sales, not game sales

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The majority of gaming's profit comes from MTX sales, not game sales
                It's still profit.
                https://www.thc-pod.com/episode/the-gaming-industry-is-now-bigger-than-movies-and-music-combined

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't understand this argument. The best comic book adaptations are by people who don't like comic books. The best Star Wars show is by the guy who hates Star Wars -- Andor.

          On the flipside, every Resident Evil adaptation, including the Netflix show, was made by people too blind to see that Resident Evil sucks. So they keep including stuff from the games, characters from the games, Wesker in that gay outfit. They don't understand that to make a truly great Resident Evil TV show you have to take a flamethrower to Resident Evil. Game fans will deny this, but it's true.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Would you really say that the Resident Evil movies were a lot like the games?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Resident Evil movies were in love with the games, made by people who loved the games, and personally approved by the people who made the games. That's why they're rather goofy. Because they're unwilling to... sigh... "disrespect the source material". You see it with the Netflix show, too. It's so scared of being disrespectful to Capcom's RE. It's so desperate to get little lore details right, to show they played the games and understand the t-Virus. But it's pointless nonsense. Oh, they got Wesker right. Who the fuck cares? The best Wesker so far is Extinction Wesker who is nothing like any other version because he's just a dude with glasses. The Afterlife Wesker people like is a cartoon character who doesn't work in live action.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What was all that shit about psychic clones? What was that entire character?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What was all that shit about psychic clones?
                Isn't Alice directly based on Alexia from Code Veronica? https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Alexia_Ashford_(Resident_Evil)

                I'm actually surprised how many RE fans seem unfamiliar with Code Veronica and the fact Resident Evil was intended to be similar to X-Men, with Wesker being like Magneto, wanting to create a world ruled by mutants like him. That's why Jill is resistant to the t-Virus. It's part of a general story direction they were going in where characters like Jill would be "mutants", fighting over the fate over the world against mutant supremacists like Wesker.

                The Resident Evil Netflix show, incidentally, is about Jade Wesker who views herself as the future of humanity, having been infected by the t-Virus but remaining sane. The whole eugenics angle in the TV show is directly from the games. Umbrella want to use Joy to modify human behavior and thinking, and want to create a world full of people only like them. To kill the unclean and genetically less than pure. This is all rooted in game stuff that people have somehow forgotten over the years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're pointing out exceptions to the rule while ignoring the mountain of evidence saying otherwise. Those adaptionsnare also usually made by people whom are competent and established names whereas shit like the Witcher, Wheel of Time, Resident Evil, ect are made by whos that were hired because they could be paid less

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You're pointing out exceptions to the rule while ignoring the mountain of evidence saying otherwise.
              What mountains of evidence?
              >Those adaptionsnare also usually made by people whom are competent and established names whereas shit like the Witcher, Wheel of Time, Resident Evil, ect are made by whos that were hired because they could be paid less
              Shrek was made by people who were being punished for misbehaving, with Prince of Egypt being the preferred project. Yet Shrek is a great movie that isn't like the book.

              Also, I don't remember people complaining about CDPR's Witcher games being made by a Polish shovelware outfit who could be paid less instead of a real developer in the UK or US.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The problem these shows have is that they're given to writers who hate or don't care about the source material and use the show as means to basically write the original story they always wanted to tell but could never find a studio willing to fund it

            I'm sure that a writing has talked about that, especially about the witcher, where as the people who worked on the tv show hated the books and the video game

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >especially about the witcher, where as the people who worked on the tv show hated the books and the video game
              This is just a fan cope. They don't hate the books or games. The person who claimed that was a fuckwit working on a Marvel project where you have to be an autistic X-Men megafan with no criticisms to work with him.

              By the standards these people think on, George Lucas hated Star Wars because he didn't revere it and insisted on calling it a laser sword.

              The whole "hates the source material" thing is bullshit, and the people who say it are retards.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. shill gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you trying to say here? Are you trying to say that the Bebop show hated its source material? Because that obviously isn't true. It reminds me of the braindead Silent Hill fans who think that saying that Silent Hill 2 has bad voice acting and bad gameplay means you "hate" Silent Hill. No, it just means you're not a retard. If you think that source material is racist or sexist or whatever, that doesn't mean you hate it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What was wrong with Cowboy Bebop that needed changing?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cowboy Bebop tried to be a literal adaption while also pandering to woke standards. Adapting anime 1:1 is retarded because anime is retarded and doesn't translate well into live action. Adding the woke shit to the literal adaption made it even worse like salt on an open and infected wound

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not 1:1 at all. For one thing the episodes are double the length of the anime episodes, partly because the stories are very different.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Bebop TV show has a lot of shots that are 1:1 with the anime, and they don't work in live action. Bebop failed to understand that what works in anime doesn't work in photorealism, and Ed is the biggest example of this problem.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have no opinions on Bebop. But if someone else does, that's the right. Them saying, "I think this character is offensive or outdated" or whatever is their opinion. It's not them hating the source material. Being critical of source material isn't hating it. I've read The Witcher books, and they're bad books. They're outright bad books, and the iffy translations make the bad books worse. Saying that the books are bad isn't hating them. It's just an observation. I don't know why source material fans can't handle being told the books they love are poorly written. Would you hire someone who doesn't recognize how badly written something is to adapt it? No, you wouldn't. Or at least you'd bring in some level headed producers to reign their fanboy ass in.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They're outright bad books
                Do you believe that's more than your opinion, that you can objectively prove they're bad? If not, it would seem very presumptuous to tell a fan of these books that they need to be changed in an adaptation, because he could just as legitimately say that they're well written.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >actually, unironically to defend shitty books
                lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you believe that's more than your opinion, that you can objectively prove they're bad?
                The Witcher books are Gor-tier. Maybe Houseplants of Gor-tier. They're terrible. The plots are stupid. Geralt is a stupid protag. The whole thing feels like a one dimensional jerk-off about how cool and troubled Geralt is. Twilight rises to a higher level of literature than The Witcher. Now that is not to say that individual short stories might not have merits. But the structure as a whole is a shitshow. The Witcher books never took off globally because the reality is they're not good books. They're not some le hidden Polish fantasy gem. CDPR's version of The Witcher takes huge liberties, and uses none of the characterizations or plots or even really the ideology of the books. But people retroactively pretend they always loved the books, and claim to be book purists upset about the stupid Netflix series.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not a very straightforward answer, but I take the spirit of your answer to mean that yes, you do believe they are badly written in fact rather than merely in opinion.
                So a follow-up question is, should changes be made in adapting something that don't actually improve anything?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So a follow-up question is, should changes be made in adapting something that don't actually improve anything?
                I find that a lot of people on the internet don't appreciate how much changes do in fact improve things. They are too close to the source material for example to understand how changing an ending might produce a film that audiences like a whole lot more. "You missed the entire point." No, we understand the point. We just decided to not do that. Almost all changes are made for a reason, and the reason is more obvious to people who understand story structure or how normal people view a really dumb character design. "But the fans love it." Yea, well the movie has to appeal to non-fans. We don't want them laughing at the movie.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't really have anything to do with what I asked, unless you're telling me that there are no changes you can make in an adaptation that don't improve it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The changes you think don't improve anything likely improved things, but you're too blind to see it. Does that answer your question?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I take this to mean that you believe it's possible to make changes that aren't improvements, but that this rarely if ever happens.
                I'd say I admire your optimism, but I'm skeptical of your earnestness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nobody writer thinks he can improve on what a successful writer wrote
                Do you work for Netflix? You should apply for a job if you don't

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                King is a successful horror writer. The movies he is directly involved in are shit because King can't write an ending to save himself, and he has a tendency to get bogged down in weird sexual sideplots about how frosty an underage girl's nipples are, and how they rub against her shirt as she descends the stairs.

                Movies based on King books are generally (not always but generally) better written as films when they discard most of the book's dumb shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kubrick or Darabont improved on King's works, that means I can do it too!!
                And that's why nobody remembers Doctor Sleep kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't know why source material fans can't handle being told the books they love are poorly written
                Do they? Never read the books myself (NTA). But if fans that like the books wanted the books adapted, they wanted them as they are and want to see them adapted as they are, not changed to the whims of someone who doesn't like what they like. It's purely toxic to put someone like that in charge of an adaptation, nothing good can come out of it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then why do all of them suck?
        You know why...

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    Anonymous
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      Anonymous

      >we could have made it faithful but chose not to

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot this came out. Remember reading that the giant monsters were actually mutated animals and ejected it from my memory, never to be seen.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what race will be john?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        screaming microsoft face

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've lost track of how many delusional Halo game fans (a demographic we won't have to deal with for much longer because 343 is imploding and the Paramount show is going strong) want Halo to be like the infamous box office bomb Dredd 2012 where he never took off his helmet, and audiences universally decided to not watch his movie. These people are fucked in the head.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dredd is kino that was poorly marketed. It found it's audience on rentals/streaming.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mando happens and has the main character with his helmet on for 99% of the time and is a huge hit
      >but we need to show chiefs face

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    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
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        Anonymous

        >N series

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Resident Evil series deserved a second season. Still, it being cancelled showed the owners that audiences don't want the game lore. They want the Andersonverse lore and Alice. If you don't have those things, go home.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >don't want the game lore.
          The series had nothing to do with the games.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you even seen the series? It uses the lamer videogame lore about Umbrella and how zombies work and Wesker and stuff like that. It's a continuation of the games, instead of using the way cooler, way sexier film version.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It really does amaze me how many dumb fucks on here defend Hollywood at every turn.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >kickers female soldiers

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    >throw everything out in favor of making it "yours"

    I honestly believe the fault lies with these millennial writers. Their generation grew up being told they were special, that everything should be theirs. Naturally this shows when it comes to adapting stuff. Their mindset isn't "how can I adapt this story from another medium", it's "how can I make it about myself"

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How important is it to adhere to the source material when adapting something like a video game to the big screen?
    It's not important at all. Howl's Moving Castle changes the book drastically. Shrek is based on a book, and uses very little of the book, and completely changed Shrek's personality. I've seen people unironically using The Boys gifs to talk about adaptations, blithely unaware that The Boys is nothing like the comic. Just make something good or fun, and make something that will sell. That's the priority. That's why Bambi is a good movie. They didn't worry about the book and how faithful it was to the book.
    >Isn't most of the appeal of doing that to give fans the live-action version of the thing they love
    No. It's about making money, and about using source material without getting sued for plagiarizing it. For example, Blade Runner NEEDED to get the rights to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep because if they didn't they could get sued because it was very obviously an adaptation of that book.
    >What is the point in adapting something for established fans
    Because it's not for established fans, particularly cross-medium. As an example, if you make a new Halo movie, people will expect it to be like the Halo TV show because that's the "main" version in this film/TV medium. The games are a whole other deal.

    I don't know why people forget how adaptations work. This is how they've always worked. You watched Shrek, and you loved Shrek. You didn't throw a tanty that it's nothing like the book. You didn't cry and say, "But it was made for the book fans, right? Why did they change everything? Why didn't they just make something original?" Because they bought the rights to Shrek and said, "How do we make this into a movie people actually want to see?"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both Howl and Shrek aren't direct adaptions but they're faithful to the spirit of the work and are made with respect to the source material

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Both Howl and Shrek aren't direct adaptions but they're faithful to the spirit of the work
        They are faithful in absolutely no sense. Shrek is completely antithetical to the book.
        >and are made with respect to the source material
        "respect for the source material" is a hollow word salad that means nothing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's about making money, and about >using source material without getting >sued for plagiarizing it.
      gnomish hands typed this post.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know I'm gonna be called the liberal cuck of the thread, but I genuinely don't care about race and casting as long as it (1) doesn't alter the story and (2) won't snowball effect more characters.

    Artemis Fowl is the biggest example of this that I have ever seen.
    >Butler should be able to blend into any Asian, European or Western setting with ease
    >Let's make him a 6 foot moron with blonde hair and bright blue eyes

    >Holly should be the first ever female LEPRecon officer
    >So let's make her commander a woman, and kill that part of Holly's story

    >Iris West on the Flash is now black, which is annoying but fine
    >Oh but wait no that means Wally West, the pale, redhead dweeb, is now a hot black guy as well as Barry and Iris future children are not half breed mutts

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no reason that Ron Weasley can't be black
      >But then his whole family has to be black
      >Which means Harry/Ginny's children will be halfies
      >which means the only black character on the trio is an uneducated stereotype, so let's make him smart instead

      >Well Hermione and Ron can't both be smarter than Harry, so let's make Hermione dumb
      >No we can't make the only female in the lead trio dumb, so she has to be smart as well

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ron wasn't uneducated, he was clumsy. It even got phased out as the books/movies went on.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Artemis Fowl is a bad movie because it's a bad movie. None of the casting or general story choices are the problem. Disney has made many beloved films that did what Artemis Fowl did, but those movies were, you know, good.

      A lot of books fans tend to conflate the two. They're completely unrelated. The original cut of the movie that was "faithful" to the book and had Angeline Fowl and the original ending and stuff like that was probably shit, too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was an Artemis Fowl kid instead of a Harry Potter kid, and literally nothing about the Artemis Fowl movie, including the casting, was good. But that said, I do believe that a large part of how bad the movie was was that it looking nothing like the book descriptions or especially the comic illustrations.

        I could rant for days at how bad the movie was, but I'll save it for another thread.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Yep, we nailed it."

          I can't imagine Eion Colfer looked at anything in this movie and thought it was a good representation of what he wrote.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Predictions on how Amazon will do?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Yep, we nailed it."

          I can't imagine Eion Colfer looked at anything in this movie and thought it was a good representation of what he wrote.

          Like I said, Artemis Fowl's original cut was very different. It had a different third act. Angeline Fowl was a major character. The film tested very poorly, and Disney stepped in, hired new writers, and did major reshoots to... try to fix the film, but it's impossible to tell if they fucked up a good movie or just made a bad movie worse/better/no difference.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of the time classic video games already had a good story.
    They just need to use the original story and adapt it to the screen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just to add onto this thought, i think the problem is the people that make the video game adaptation don't think the video game stories are good. So try to redo the story unnecessarily.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i think the problem is the people that make the video game adaptation don't think the video game stories are good.
        Indeed. The issue is that their stories are just as bad, if not worse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a lot of the time classic video games already had a good story.
      They don't. The fact their fans think they do is the problem. For example, Metal Gear Solid has a terrible story and poorly written characters. Do you think Metal Gear's fanbase is going to be happy with the adaptation that fixes this?

      The recent TLOU show is an example of a game that was trying to be a TV show to begin with, and sort of succeeded, so it translates more naturally.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine defending anything Hollywood does.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Weird how diversity in medieval European fantasy always means adding more black people and not asians

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People are so retarded here that it still surprises me to this day. When they said they didn't play or bring up the games it was to highlight that they were focusing on the story, setting, and characters of the series (of which there is little but halo fags wil never admit this). They're making a tv show, not a game so the games themselves wouldn't help

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        except the games have the actual lore of Halo you retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You stupid fuck you still dont get it. You don't need to play the games to learn the pitiful lore of Halo, you only have to read supplmental material. The games barely even fucking go into the lore and much of the "lore" literally comes from expanded universe media like the novels that were made by hired help and not the actual creators. To pretend the games have any deep nuggets of plot is a joke

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the writers had their own retarded story that nobody wanted to pick up, so they slapped the Halo name and reskinned their shit story with Halo to sell it. They didn't give a shit about Halo's lore, they just wanted to do their own shitty story that coulden't stand on it's own legs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the writers had their own retarded story that nobody wanted to pick up, so they slapped the Halo name and reskinned their shit story with Halo to sell it.
          What are you basing this insane conspiracy theory on?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the fact the story isn't anything like Halo's lore?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Halos lore? Don't you get embarrassed when you put those 2 words together?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Halo's lore
              Oh you mean the stupid shit they printed on books so impressionable teenagers would buy them and feel smart?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >teenagers
                The halo books are very much an ages 10 to 13 thing. Same goes for the Gears of War books.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you, a grown adult, believe that "the writers had their own retarded story that nobody wanted to pick up, so they slapped the Shrek name and reskinned their shit story with Shrek to sell it."

              Or do you believe that Dreamworks read the Shrek book, looked at what they could keep, discarded the rest, and made Shrek? Do you not understand how film and TV production works? You surely understand that nobody on this planet is going to make a 1:1 adaptation of the fucking abysmal stories in Halo 1-3. Surely that isn't beyond you. What you expected was the writers to take Halo, look at the source material Halo ripped off, and tell a similar narrative to the film Soldier with Kurt Russel about a man trained from birth to be a soldier for a dystopian human government who rebels against their control. That's Halo. They took Halo, and reinterpreted it through the prism of "The UNSC are Space Nazis and need to be stopped".

              This isn't like Starship Troopers where they had an unrelated screenplay and added novel stuff. This was written from the ground up to adapt Halo based on the simple reality that the Halo games suck as stories.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Do you not understand how film and TV production works?
                *Looks at Last of US adaptation* hmmm

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean a shot-by-shot adaptation?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Last of Us is a videogame trying to be a prestige TV show in structure and pacing. Anyone who isn't a fuckwit understands why this approach doesn't work for Halo. This isn't complicated. Halo's writing is DOGSHIT. Its characters are DOGSHIT. This isn't a controversial position outside of the Halo fanbase. Aka the people who are drunk on the Halo kool-aid. The Halo TV show had the unenviable task of trying to turn teenage military wank into a serious TV show with serious politics and serious ideological conflicts. Trying to turn Cortana into something deeper that a one dimension Alyx from Half-Life tier videogame waifu.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and the Halo show's writing and characters are far worse than the "dogshit" books/games, so what does that make that exactly?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and the Halo show's writing and characters are far worse
                Are they, though? I thought it did a pretty good job of being an enjoyable drama about how fascism domestically is a far bigger threat than aliens abroad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know aliens are coming to genocide us all but that guy is being mean to me!
                retarded take

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whats wrong with humanity resting their hopes on a man shaped super weapon, abandoning all reason and doubt, marching into the deathly horrors of space, sacrificing countless intergalactic fleets, in order to realize his ai girlfriend's half baked plan?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The UNSC are an actual shitty organization though retard and the only reason humanity fights on a united front is because ofbthe Covenant. The UNSC are tyrants in all but name otherwise which is why the colonists were declaring independence. Get it right before posting retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >halo lore

          Halo lore is a fucking joke. Humans used to be an advanced species, they they weren't. A group of retards discovered a containment zone for alien zombies and being the retards that they were, made a religion out of them. Those religious retards then targeted humans because they were inshalah and humans fought back. Shit happens, humans win, the end.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >. When they said they didn't play or bring up the games it was to highlight that they were focusing on the story, setting, and characters
        But they didn't use any of those.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm ok with this diversity

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Voice like a catfight,
      Ugly as puke,
      Who could ever marry
      A female moron?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe they managed to make a Halo show that I have no interest in watching. I love Halo. If I'm not watching it, I don't know who is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If I'm not watching it, I don't know who is.
      Did you know that the biggest TV show in America is Paramount's Yellowstone? Guess what else is on Paramount? Halo. You sound like a Halo game fan surprised to learn that the Halo show isn't for you. It's for the close to 8 billion people in this world who don't care for the Halo games.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    kek, liberal whites can't go five minutes without seeing a black person on their screen.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're not adhering to source material, why even call it an adapation rather than fanfic?

    >We're adapting this car.
    >But it's a boat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If nothing changes there's no reason for it to exist. See: all those scene for scene film remakes that usually suck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all non master chief spartans are fan fiction so it doesn't matter, no one cares

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the point in adapting something for established fans, only to then throw everything out in favor of making it "yours"?
    You're so close to getting it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, I get it. They're made like this specifically to piss off the white, male fans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. Try again. Focus on the first question

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, its because they are greedy and want to cast as big a net as possible to get non-fans and newcomers to like it because fans are always assumed to be a shoe-in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not all about you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not white, though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are ideologically possessed and wish to spread a message. The only way they can preach their dumb ideas to people is by tricking them into watching it by using an existing popular thing to piggyback ride on.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not autistic so things like source material or whatever don't bother me. Just tell a good story, hire people who are talented and give a shit, and I'll watch, enjoy, and defend it from strangers

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If being faithful to the source is so important, why didn't anyone watch it?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never played Halo, but something like TLOU show seems utterly pointless, the games exist, an adaptation that soley exists to reproduce the original work without shaving away what does and doesn't work between mediums is dumb, i really liked do androids dream of electric sheep, but cutting John Isidore and basically everything about Mercerism was the right call (even if i really liked Isidore in the books) for blade runner.

    Also from what i heard from a friend who actually likes Halo, it's a terrible show to begin with, dogshit like the live action cowboy bebop wouldn't have been better if it was a shot for shot, word for word remake of the original.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd say if it's an adaptation with the titular characters then yes, lore is incredibly important. New characters in the same universe? Do whatever dumb bullshit you want.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >have black man literally gift wrapped for the show who is a fan favorite
    >don't use him
    The fuck?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about empowering blacks. It's about disempowering whites.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We could have had a series about Sgt. Johnson, kicking ass in outer space, sassing Master Chief about his helmet, shoving grenades down the throat of a Brute, and just being an all-round badass.
    >One episode would be an homage to Predator. I'm honestly not sure if it would be better to have the Elites be the ones hunting Johnson in the jungle, or have him be the monster stalking them. Either way, a nuke WILL go off in the end.
    >Epic finale, with Chief being the one to take out the alien super weapon. Meanwhile, Johnson is off on his sidequest, clearing the path for Chief, and getting into an energy sword duel with a Zealot that's interrupted by the gigantic explosion Chief sets off in the background.

    It could have been awesome. But no. Johnson wasn't the right kind of black for them. Assholes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hell fucking to a Johnson backstory series. Dark insanity about first contact with the covenant with Johnson going from rookie to the hardened soldier we see in the games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You wanted some dumbass "badass" show about space Nazis.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This series was unironically the best KINO released in 2023 and I am waiting for S2 like a bitch in heat.

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