How many D4 players will switch over to PoE 2 when it launches?
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How many D4 players will switch over to PoE 2 when it launches?
How many D4 players will switch over to PoE 2 when it launches?
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all of them
and their mothers and their granddads
Everyone
POE2 will be the FINAL GAME that will be enjoyed FOREVER
Diablo 4 players don't even know this game exists
when does it launch bros
well, yes
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Diablo 4 is an objectively good game. When a new game's reception is mixed or positive on Ganker, you know it's GOTY material.
I’m about to start it, anything I should know? I played the beta but blazed through it
Rogues get OP
>Diablo 4 is an objectively good game.
We all played the beta; it's shit.
Boring, shallow skills. Boring, simplified passive tree that does nothing. Skills are linked to classes yet have practically no personality.
Leveling is a slog, story is dogshit, the world is boring; everything good about D2's atmosphere is gone, I guess it's an improvement over D3's atmosphere but that means nothing.
Last Epoch's leveling is so much better, so are the skills, and the talent tree system absolutely dunks on D4.
I'd also say Last Epoch is better than PoE in terms of leveling and unlocking fun power early on, but obviously lacks the endgame complexity of uniques / supports / etc that PoE has managed to build up just by virtue of being around for a decade.
D4 manages to be the worst of all worlds. Then it compounds the failure by adding in public quest MMO shit purely to show off cosmetics, and an absolutely disgusting cash shop on top of being b2p.
idk dude LE was just as snoozetastic as poe in terms of leveling for me
the talents are pretty cool though maybe I'll give it another crack
D4 is probably a 5/10 game... it's basically a skeleton of an APRG, POE2 will have at least 10x the content/depth that D4 will ever have, and they've already had 10 years to make that shit.
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PLAY BOTH GAMES YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE NOOOOO
Well, poe2 won't meaningfully change anything about poe so if they don't like poe as it is now, they won't like poe.
>new gem system
>new terrain generation
>new campaign
>new weapon base types
>combat overhaul
>atlas overhaul
>redesigned and rebalanced skills and items
>19 new ascendancies
Sure thing bro
I've been meaning to play PoE forever. If I start now will the characters carry over or should I just wait for PoE2?
It doesnt matter, everyone plays new characters when new leagues are released
Play next league, which will likely be last or 2nd to last poe1 league. Follow a build that isnt 100div and dont give up.
After you get hooked, or not, decide if you want pay for stash tabs, $20-50 is all need. Consider it the baseline cost to play endgame efficiently. You CAN mule but it blows.
Only the people who already are invested into ARPGs, so the people who were already playing POE pretty much. I don't think it peaks over a million on Steam when it launches
>bbbbut we all use the launcher without Steam!
I honestly think very little. Both maybe ARPGs but they catered to different audiences. This is just like Destiny/Destiny 2 and Warframe situation.
Destiny is less complex than fricking Warframe, really? Have only played the latter.
I don't think that comparison is any good. D4 vs POE is zero complexity, simple game vs bloat max game that caters towards people already invested in 5 years worth of systems and progression. Destiny and Warframe are both on the POE side of being anti-new player with it costing way too much to make it better or adding so much "okay you are at this stage of the game, let me teach you indepth about this new system from 4 years ago that might be outdated or niche".
POE has leagues with massive content and system overhauls, and they are still dead in a month and no casuals move over or start.
POE would have to get rid of regret orbs, and also maybe get rid of travel nodes and put the stats onto gear or just integrate it into levels so the ability tree isn't so fricking big for no reason.
When casuals play D4, they can just play a build and not care about how good it is cause respec is cheap and easy. Casuals play POE and brick a build and need to get skill and support games and oh frick my points aren't in useless shit for my new direction and the campaign doesn't give enough regret orbs...
>complains about the ability tree being too big
It's not and it's one of the best parts about the game. Why are zoomed so riddled with adhd? You know you can play a slightly suboptimal build and respec when you have the currency right? If you get a build to mid tier maps you'll have like 50 regrets. Just fricking use them. Currency drops like candy
>50 regrets
and that won't be enough to do a full respec, and that is finishing the entire campaign plus getting into the end game mapping as a brand new "what the frick do I do" player. POE is literally designed for people to google youtube videos about "sick cool build new league MUST WATCH" because its a pain in the ass for new people to learn. Also no built in loot filter still despite it being the #1 third party thing people use, which new players or console players won't use and as a result end game is a loot pinata just like D4's dogshit mess of searching 50 things for maybe an upgrade.
D4 and POE don't compete with each other despite being in the same genre.
>POE would have to get rid of regret orbs
In D2 classes were actually specialized at what they do, having free respec would mean you level up with a level up build, farm with a farm build, kill bosses with boss killer build, do challengers with a challenge-doing build - all free of charge, since the classes only differ by ascendancy tree.
>having free respec would mean you level up with a level up build, farm with a farm build, kill bosses with boss killer build, do challengers with a challenge-doing build - all free of charge, since the classes only differ by ascendancy tree.
and only the top top % of players would ever do this, while 99% of people dont give a shit about that or even plan out builds that way. Its why having instant log out in POE is still a good thing, yeah the top players abuse it for hardcore but it also keeps people from dying randomly to disconnects which affect way more people.
99% of the players browse sites like poe.ninja and follow guides, if what I described would be in any guide (it would be if it worked), then everyone would do it.
Oh yeah, also you think that respec is a QoL feature, I percieve this a little differently: it's a risk/reward thing and it's integral part of the gameplay. When you level a character without respec, you struggle, but your struggle pays off in the end: you get a minmaxed build that is more powerful.
99% of POE players. The discussion is around if D4 players will play POE2, which is frick no because D4 throws such a wide net that they sell millions in days at 70 dollars and I wouldn't be surprised if they sold 1 million on consoles. You can try all the basic and core skills for basically no investment while in POE you won't go in knowing any of the skill or support gems, that entire system of how things interact, and with a few points you might just have wasted shit already and fricking NO ONE wants to start a character from scratch to "fix" stuff.
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Small amount. 99,99999% of all blizzdrones are too moronic to play PoE.
D4's model is 100% built on FOMO. So you'll get a ton of people trying PoE2 for the first month or so but then they'll all come back for the next D4 season so they don't miss out on the limited time cosmetics. It's peak maze design.
I wouldn't touch POE with a mile pole, and POE2 is literally just POE with memes tackled on top with no actual changes to what makes the game garbage, so I imagine few people that aren't already invested in the original POE would test POE2.
Ex PoE player here.
I think I'll stick with D4 for the foreseeable future.
I'm sick of all the bloat in PoE and I doubt PoE 2 will fix it.
I want to have fun, not waste my time in third party tools, wikis and spreadsheets.
Got enough spreadsheets at work.
Thats the one thing stopping me from getting into it. I like builds in games, but not autistically tracking my leveling and gear
I was going to wait with DIV until the first expansion comes, but if PoE 2 comes out before, or slightly after, I'll probably just skip it. A bit of a shame, because DIV does look quite good.
What about D4 looks good?
Everything so far.
I could smell blizzdrones collectively shitting their pants when the trailer dropped
PoE deamons are eldritch horrors
D4 deamons wear bikinis to not offend their audience
99% of D4's player base isn't even aware of the trailer or know PoE even exists.
That is some distilled copium right there
A new trailer dropped?
I like D4.
I don't think it will do a good job of retaining players though. I don't think many will "switch over" because that would imply they were still playing D4.
i think i'm done with poe unless it dramatically changes up the game
the poopsocking currency farm poe has become in the past couple of years doesn't appeal to me, making a decent build in ssf now is like having a second job. Like I could play enumerate new games in that time span; it just isn't worth it
I don't even play SSF for this reason (I tried once and I was mad as frick because I couldn't find a 1c unique for my build to work). The game needs to cater to those players and do separate leagues for them.
Which 1c unique? there's ways to farm most common build enabling uniques deterministically (cards)
I forgot, sorry, that was a long time ago. The build I tried to do was something like spark totems.
Must have been Soul Mantle then, it would drop eventually, maybe even before maps if you heisted for it.
like 10% because the casual audience won't put up with PoE's "it's complicated so its better!" systems
Diablo who?
It's all dipshits crying because the server went down once or twice.
>pay 100$ to play a single player game
>can't play it more than 10 minutes before servers go down
i would be pissed too.
It's a live service MMO. People have known this for years and devs were open about it. You're a moron defending other morons.
>its shit, but its ok since the devs were open about it
moron take.
>buy MMORPG
>get mad and claim it's supposed to be a single player game when servers go down on occasion
uhhh
>Diablo
>mmo
Yeah, an always online game with millions of people playing, no single player, and a live service monetization model is the literal definition of a MMO. The game even has world bosses and I'll give it three seasons max before there are raids.
And that's a good thing
Yeah, Diablo 4 needs to just go full classic WoW.
lmfao
nobody will even be playing d4 in 2024
so "none" in that regard
None. D4 will not live long enough for any "switching" to be done. People will simply start playing PoE2.
The people braindead enough to still be playing it (previously D3 players) will not switch over.
PoE2 seems even worse
>it's an mmo!
>no chat channels
Cope
You enable it in options, dipshit. It's another turd worlder googling shit because he can't afford the game.
>people who played D4 due to blizzard namesake will drop it in a month won't look at another ARPG
>people who do play ARPG will jump on PoE2 to try something new as they'd have their fill of D4 by then
>D4 gets forgotten until an expansion that brings back some people
The problem brainlets have with PoE is that it heavily rewards knowledge and skill.
People crying for free respecs don't know the value of drops or how to sell them efficiently, thinking they have to gather the regret orbs themselves in anything other than ssf. Farming currency to trade for 100 regrets or how many you need takes litterally 5 min at endgame.
The average IQ is rapidly declining, and braindead games where luck and time and spent playing are the only things that matter, will be the future.
by your own logic they should have free respecs
you have stated yourself that the currency for a respec is completely trivial for an ebin pro player like yourself, so the change would only directly affect noobs
noobs are too moronic to have a significant effect on the economy, so the change again would only affect noobs
the only effect of the change, by your own logic, is to help noobs respec their shitty characters
a noob may need to learn about the economy, but first of all he needs to respec is dogshit character so he can play the game, or he can start again from level 1 and end up quitting because the campaign is boring and sucks dick
so the reality is that you don't want noobs to get into or enjoy poe, you just want them to do the campaign repeatedly until they quit while you brag about how good you are
Not him but ~60 chaos for full respecs is what I spent this league
60c didnt really hurt my speed in collecting that but yeah thats not noob friendly
weight to your choices is good. if someone leaves because respecs arent free thats a good thing. it filters out lo iq diabloBlack folk.
ah yes, "muh weight"
yes.
translation: this mechanic has no effect on me but we need to punish new players because I'm a Very Talented Arpoog Gamer
PoE autists have to be some of the most cancerous gamers on the planet
I'll go back to Grim Dawn. When I start thinking about F2P grift mechanics I start getting angry, so I'm out.
Respecs aren't even a problem, a first time player will have more than enough currency after clearing the campaign, doing all the side missions and checking out all the side activities.
What is a problem is how confusing the endgame gets in relation to obtaining power, with the hundreds of weird currency items, crafting systems and map gimmicks you need to mess around with and it's all RNG.
At least the new gem system should make things a lot easier when you can now actually equip new items you find.
when does POE2 launch?
trick question. everyone will have already quit D4 long before PoE2 launches.
not that many tbh
people care about brands a lot