Space Marines have the worst corruption rate of any fictional "hero" ever, no number of space marines could deliver the ring to mordor and cast it into the fire
I dunno. The power of the Ring is ultimately the temptation of rulership - it corrupts by offering the power to rule and to dominate. There are definitely Space Marines it could corrupt that way, but there would definitely be others it could not, for they have no desire for rulership, power, or domination, for their only desires are for duty, service, and the destruction of the Emperor's foes.
Invisibility was only a side effect of it essentially shifting you into the realm of shadows where the ringwraiths live. It made you MORE visible to undead entities.
Invisibility was only a side effect of it essentially shifting you into the realm of shadows where the ringwraiths live. It made you MORE visible to undead entities.
The Ring's invisibility was a side effect of Tolkien wanting to give Bilbo a magical item that did something relevant in the Hobbit. He never planned for the Lord of the Rings to happen when he wrote that. If re-written from the beginning I highly doubt the Ring would grant invisibility. Isildur casually wore the Ring for years and wasn't invisible the whole time.
I like to think that Gollum had a strong impact on how the ring works. I mean what power would he want living in the caves? My head cannon is that the power the ring provides is a corruption of the desires of its user while also then having an impact on the next one. Since say the Ring was lost for a long time before Smeagol/Gollum found it, it then lost its psychic resonance.
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The Ring's invisibility was a side effect of Tolkien wanting to give Bilbo a magical item that did something relevant in the Hobbit. He never planned for the Lord of the Rings to happen when he wrote that. If re-written from the beginning I highly doubt the Ring would grant invisibility. Isildur casually wore the Ring for years and wasn't invisible the whole time.
it is a reference to Plato. Plato presents a ring of invisiblity as a way to show one acting without consequence, the resulting power since no one can exert any social or effective physical retribution for what you do, and resulting moral corruption and injustice. The is more to it that it not worth talking of, but Plato explictitly connects invisible ring with power and evil.
Tolkien does this a lot.
>Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.
>Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust.
>For all men believe in their hearts that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong or touching what was another's, he would be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another's faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice
It's not about rulership, it's about your desires. For a space marine, the ring would tempt him with the power to serve the emperor really, really well.
"MY SON, just wear this ring and I will be SUPER DUPER HAPPY, even more so than 1000 years of victory would bring. You'll be SO POWERFUL that you can single handedly smush the ruinous -redacted- for me! Doesn't that sound GLORIOUS?"
>the warrior cultists driven by lust for slaughter aren't vulnerable to corruption
Idiotic.
>Carrying the ring - you get a small part of the corruption-inducing attention of one of the lieutenants of the fallen angel of the god of a realm/world. You get the full attention of said lieutenant IF you wear the ring. Pretty much everyone in the corresponding lore was either corrupted by it or avoided so much as touching it because they were certain they would get corrupted. It took two simpletons that didn't even understand what it was to destroy it, and even then a divine intervention was needed for the final push. > Being a Primarch - you get the full corruption-inducing attention of four galactic -if not universal- level gods, all the time. Less than half of those were corrupted.
But SMs heroes have the worst corruption rates, right, moron?
Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors, the fact that a significant portion of them get corrupted is testament to how over the top the corruption of the Warp is, like everything else in the 30K-40K universe, coupled with the fact that due to them being children of the Emperor they get the brunt of the Chaos powers' attention.
I don't know if the term rulership entirely covers it, didn't Gandalf say something about using the ring for good purposes or good intentions while it would have still ensnared him and turned him eventually to the dark side?
Tulsa I was under the impression that it turned hobbits invisible because they seek to be unseen and out of everybody else's business?
>Carrying the ring - you get a small part of the corruption-inducing attention of one of the lieutenants of the fallen angel of the god of a realm/world. You get the full attention of said lieutenant IF you wear the ring. Pretty much everyone in the corresponding lore was either corrupted by it or avoided so much as touching it because they were certain they would get corrupted. It took two simpletons that didn't even understand what it was to destroy it, and even then a divine intervention was needed for the final push. > Being a Primarch - you get the full corruption-inducing attention of four galactic -if not universal- level gods, all the time. Less than half of those were corrupted.
But SMs heroes have the worst corruption rates, right, moron?
Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors, the fact that a significant portion of them get corrupted is testament to how over the top the corruption of the Warp is, like everything else in the 30K-40K universe, coupled with the fact that due to them being children of the Emperor they get the brunt of the Chaos powers' attention.
>Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors, the fact that a significant portion of them get corrupted is testament to how over the top the corruption of the Warp is
All right, you think the One Ring into which the Dark Lord poured his malice and his will to dominate all life isn't going to be at least as much of a threat?
Marines had the same corruption rate as the regular humans on team Horus though. It's the primarchs that fricked up and dragged everyone else down with them.
>It took two simpletons that didn't even understand what it was to destroy it,
Frodo understood it well and if you actually read the book, even though the Ring has gone he's been profoundly changed by it.
Sam didn't know as much as Frodo did, but he, too, having used the Ring to bail his master out of the Orc rape dungeon once, absorbed some of its' powers - enough to outlive his sons and earn his stay in the Undying Lands as a relic of a bygone age.
Most marines would fall to the temptation of the ring.
A single custoidan could probably do it.
A custodian + SoS pair (assuming Sauron's magic works on 40k rules so has to be warp-related) would be gg.
I dunno. The power of the Ring is ultimately the temptation of rulership - it corrupts by offering the power to rule and to dominate. There are definitely Space Marines it could corrupt that way, but there would definitely be others it could not, for they have no desire for rulership, power, or domination, for their only desires are for duty, service, and the destruction of the Emperor's foes.
Which 40k race/character would be, on average, the best choice to bring the ring to Mt. Doom?
Trazyn would probably archive it, immune to warp shit, but it would end up being a Tom Bombadil situation, where he'd likely just forget about it, or "get around to it later" if someone stole it, in favor of finding the next interesting object or person he can archive.
An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
I'd actually give some of the named Chaos Champions a better chance with the ring, but only because they're already so fricked in the head that the one ring would have a hard time tempting them to do anything out of their current pattern of behavior.
Trazyn and most Crypteks are out because of their curiosity, but some kind of Overlord who gets the command from his Phaeron and does not even handle it himself but hangs it around a company of Lychguard and then just marches down to Mt. Doom and just jumps in might be a good choice.
Any Chaos follower would jump at the chance to become something more powerful, maybe even a Chaos god themselves. And/or break free from their masters.
Sauron would barely qualify as a Greater Demon in 40K. So the one ring is an artifact containing part of the essence of a being somewhat on a Greater Demon's level.
For reference, Fulgrim got corrupted by an artifact containing the full power of a Greater Demon and that was back when he had no idea what Chaos was or how to defend against its corruption.
>An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
The ring enhances the user's inherent abilities. For a hobbit it means making them even sneakier. For an ork? Probably more dakka.
But is the One Ring subject to Waaaggh-frickery? Say an Ork Boy loots it off the dead hobbit, middle of a battlefield, and seeing that it made him invisible. Does the Ork Waaagh limit the Ring's powers to only invisibility while it's subject to Ork observation within a strong enough Waaagh, or does it still have a will to tempt and convince the Ork it does something more?
Either way it really only matters because it could theoretically mean an entire Orkish Waaagh could probably take it to Mordor, supposing they are pointed in the right direction and could maintain enough momentum to keep their psychic field suppressing the Ring.
>Does the Ork Waaagh limit the Ring's powers to only invisibility while it's subject to Ork observation within a strong enough Waaagh?
Maybe if EVERY ork in the waagh believed that. Otherwise no.
>An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
It would go down exactly like Azhag and the crown of sorcery.
Azhag is a fantasy greenskin, they lack a lot of the more supernatural powers of their 40K counterparts, who are stated to be almost incorruptible by Chaos simply by them not being interested even in Khorne's promises of endless battle since Gork and Mork already delivered that just fine.
Boring answer but Custodian/Grey Knight. Both are nigh-uncorruptable, have no interest in the ring's temptations/power and elite enough to get the job done without much fuss.
You just hit a point, I think we should first establish if Ainur are chaos entities or c'tan. I would assume the former since the elves are literally The Eldar on middle earth (its where GW stole the name from), but they also predated creation. Once we decide that we'll know just how corruption resistant the imperial agent needs to be to bear the ring.
Where does he stand with the other chaos gods? What would they think of each other? Maybe given to the understanding that morgoth is intrinsically tied to this specific planet on a magical or metaphysical level
>A custodian + SoS pair
a single Sister of Silence. The ring corrupts as a magical (psyker) ability. The ring would have to be firmly chained to her to prevent it from escaping her as it would utterly repulsed by her.
of course, how Eru gets the ring into the sisters possession would be an interesting tale. Probably have to have Gandalf and Bilbo/Frodo go to some specific place, deposit the ring and a specific place and watch from a safe distance while the sister secures it, Her journey to Mt Doom would be notable, as Arda itself and everything on it writhes in agony around her. But it would be unopposed.
According to Tolkien, nobody could have given up the Ring in the fires of Mount Doom. Not Frodo, not Sam, not Aragorn, not Elrond or Gandalf or Sauron himself. None of them have a will strong enough to unmake it in that place, because that place is also where the Ring is at its strongest.
In the letters he makes clear that Frodo got it to the finish line, so God stepped in and took it the rest of the way. Frodo earned a miracle.
>Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named' * (as one critic has said).
>I do not think that Frodo's was a moral failure. At the last moment the pressure of the Ring would reach its maximum – impossible, I should have said, for any one to resist, certainly after long possession, months of increasing torment, and when starved and exhausted. Frodo had done what he could and spent himself completely (as an instrument of Providence) and had produced a situation in which the object of his quest could be achieved. His humility (with which he began) and his sufferings were justly rewarded by the highest honour; and his exercise of patience and mercy towards Gollum gained him Mercy: his failure was redressed.
So the answer is no number of Space Marines could do it. Several might make it to Mount Doom, but none could destroy it.
Pretty much. morons in this thread are comparing two completely different lores in terms of how corrupting powers are represented. Almost all high-status characters in 40K worthy of the chaos gods' attention have gone up against demons on at least Sauron's level and have had to cope with whispers and promises of power on the daily. The corrupting power of the One Ring would barely be noticeable in 40K, it would basically be the equivalent of the sphere's attempts to push back the Astartes in the cinematic once they entered the final room. and brushed aside as easily.
I disagree, I don't think the disparity is as wide as you make it sound.
If we're talking about Mordor, in The Lord of the rings setting. Specifically.
Where does Gandalf sit in the power ladder compared to imperial saints? BT and the other elvish Lords were all terrified of the thing, even knowing that they would definitely positively most likely use it for a good purposes.
Giving the history of Space Marines in general, we know they are not incorruptible.
Are you really saying that the corrupting power of the ring in Mordor in Lord of the rings is absolutely nothing on any tier compared to anything close to even a basic demonic possession or weapon in 40k? Again, I disagree. moron.
going by primarchs, Rogal Dorn is probably the only one who has even a ghost of a chance to not go "Why not? Why shouldn't I keep it?", and those guys are the paragons that their chapters of space marines aspire to be.
Royal Dorm would definitely be tempted by it. It'd corrupt him with visions of endless impregnable fortresses, the same way it did to Sam by showing him visions of Mordor turned into a garden.
Probably the only Primarch that wouldn't be corrupted by it would be Angron. He never conquered his homeworld and is too tormented by the Nails to care about power, domination, or rulership.
Lion would also be likely to resist, he had the Chaos Gods bending everything they had to the task of breaking him, and all it did was make him unsociable. He did not fall.
Unless there's a pairnof Space Marines that are spoofs of Frodo and Sam, it's not happening. The whole scheme hinged on the Hobbits' ambitions being to save their home, go home, eat some strawberries, maybe dick the redhead down the street. Space Marines don't truck with that Agriworld shit.
The ring has a 100% success rate at corrupting people meanwhile marines commonly fall to chaos for little to no reason. They’re unhinged meat heads, one whisper of power and that’s a new renegade chapter called “The Astral Wraiths”
>The ring has a 100% success rate at corrupting people
Not Sam, it tried and he just said no thanks. Showed him visions of having the world's biggest and best garden and was just "nah the one I have is enough work for me, I'd never be able to look after it all"
That was honestly very funny. >okay okay I can figure this out I just need to corrupt one single hobbit real quick, how hard can it be >what do hobbits want again >*furiously shifting through pages on the corruption of human kings and elf lords trying to look for the midget gardener section* >uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if you dominate the world you'll have a really big garden
And then Gamgee just stares confusedly and goes "how am I even going to take care of a garden of that size"
>the ring is just a concealed speaker for Sauron to make you trade offers >Sauron has to actively talk to you through it, it does nothing bad if he's distracted or otherwise occupied
New funny headcanon accepted
>But SMs heroes have the worst corruption rates, right, moron?
Maybe get a G(r)ay Knight to do this then? Or some batshit insane DC marine, just give him a ring and tell to put it down Horus's throat, his location - the top of mt. Doom
That was honestly very funny. >okay okay I can figure this out I just need to corrupt one single hobbit real quick, how hard can it be >what do hobbits want again >*furiously shifting through pages on the corruption of human kings and elf lords trying to look for the midget gardener section* >uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if you dominate the world you'll have a really big garden
And then Gamgee just stares confusedly and goes "how am I even going to take care of a garden of that size"
Well, even Sam did have a lingering taint from his brief exposure to the point he dissappear off to the grey havens afternoon wife dies.
That's odd. I always viewed that as an honor bestowed to Ring Bearers that they got to go to the havens, and Sam qualified as a Ring Bearer regardless of his brief tenure.
Have some Sororitas do it, they resist corruption better than marines and if they feel themselves starting to go screwy then tend to killself. That's why you send a couple, so if one starts to lose it and gets blammed another one can pick it up and keep going.
None, unless you can find a space marine stronger than the Emperor, whose internment in the golden throne is a direct reference to Sauron's inability to retake physical form without the ring, thus leading to his inprisonment in Barad Dur.
The more powerful you are the easier the ring corrupts you. Just fricking imagine the speed it could claim the 40k characters. >Ring-sama is about to pilot the Emporer right into Minas Morgul for one billion years of service
>Orcs
Meltagun >Wraiths
Meltagun >Witch King
Vail borrows meltagun >Shelob
Meltagun >About to throw ring in lava
"Oh wait this was a waste of time" >Puts ring on ground
Meltagun
to throw ring in lava >"Oh wait this was a waste of time" >>Puts ring on ground >Meltagun
would not work, the ring must be destroyed by the fires from whence it came.
One Grey Knight or a based named character would have no problem.
They'd probably absolutely frick Mordor just for fun too. Imagine anyone who fought 40k Orks and won fighting LotR Orcs. It would be a joke. >ring corruption
These dudes literally have to deal with 4 chaos gods doing the same shit, the entire point of the zealotry of 40k is to stave off corruption. The ring is b***h level in comparison to just living in 40k.
except by virtue of being written by someone intelligent, Sauron is drastically superior at corruption than all 4 chaos gods combined
It took divine intervention from God, literally God, to stop him
Sauron 40k is a loss scenario for all of 40k, because seriously, how long do you think it'll take him to ascend to Chaos God status WITHOUT literal divine providence to hold him back?
Sauron is a wrong fit for 40k, because the reason why he's so effective is that he's not that powerful - compared to Valar or his old boss, Morgoth, or his boss before that, Aule - but he understands how mortals work better than any other semi-divine creature in Arda, except Gandalf perhaps (Gandalf knows Sauron's limitations, such as his extreme cynicism - Sauron's major weakness is being utterly unable to contemplate genuine altruism or love).
he is also a supernaturally talented craftsman and engineer though
and if we have Sauron at his strongest, with his shapeshifting not taken away by Eru, he becomes a very real problem for 40k precisely because he's willing to take his time to learn what makes the universe tick
In that scenario he wouldn't appear as an overlord immediately, he would instead appear in a much more mundane guise, probably first on a Forgeworld, working his way up among the techpriests, eventually taking them over from the inside and even switching their worship, corrupting their tenets
Or alternatively, Sauron has innate authority and lordship over Orcs, if this also applies to Orkz then we run into a very real issue fast when Sauron starts metagaming the WAAAGH! against them
>probably first on a Forgeworld, working his way up among the techpriests, eventually taking them over from the inside and even switching their worship, corrupting their tenets.
Uh... Belisarius Calw?
>he is also a supernaturally talented craftsman and engineer though
That's from his apprenticeship under Aule. He is far from the best there was; Likely not even as skilled as Feanor, given that no new Palantirs were made despite Sauron clearly having an interest in them.
He would know enough to create weapons of war, but something truly wondrous would be beyond his skill as a smith/engineer/sorcerer. Even the Rings were not all his innovation, but a joint endeavour with the Elves - his is only the twist in creation of the One Ring.
the one ring was though the pinnacle of rings, for better or worse and we're not talking about him starting from the ground up here
just studying the technologies already present in 40k, figuring out how they work, how to improve upon them
4 months ago
Anonymous
The Rings in general were made to counteract the slow fading of magic and wonder from the world. One Ring was designed to have power over other rings; Except the Three which were disconnected from Sauron's ploy.
And we see the use of the Elvish rings in preserving the domains of Rivendell and Lothlorien; The One was only good to corrupt and enslave. I don't think there's any material on what the other rings were supposed to be doing aside from making you a slave to Sauron, because they weren't removed from under the power of the One.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the One Ring also gives you dominion making it neigh impossible for those who are you rightful subjects to disobey you
for example Aragorn claiming the One Ring as his own would amplify his kingship over all of mankind, which is why Sauron was genuinely afraid of him, since it would have allowed him to wrest away Sauron's human armies
4 months ago
Anonymous
As I said, it's only good for rape and enslavement. It's why Tom mistakes it for a useless trinket - it's of zero use to him. And it's not like he doesn't have problems - the corruption is spreading into his forest, there are undead abominations lurking in close vicinity, but the idea of raping or enslaving doesn't occur in his head, so the Ring is nothing to him.
The Elvish rings certainly have other uses, because their makers were not locked into hyper-competitive mindset, so the superiority of One Ring is also a very limited one.
>twenty legions >two [REDACTED], half of the rest lost to the chaos
Lol, lmao.
I thought about this when I saw it on the other site a few weeks ago and came to the conclusion that the only ones on the Imperial side that could do it would be the Custodes because of their weird incorruptibility.
The whole point of hobbits doing it was because nobody would expect it, bet most didnt even know they existed so they could get there without getting the attention.
Space marines would have too mucj attention on themselves and would just get themselves into a battle with forces of mordor and probably lose the ring that way.
Space Marines have the worst corruption rate of any fictional "hero" ever, no number of space marines could deliver the ring to mordor and cast it into the fire
this tbqh famalam, no cap they couldn't resist sauron's rizz, it would not be bussin
Saurizz
>Sau-rizz.
>empowered the wrong wizard.
Saru-mid
I Hate the current generation
>NOOOOOOO How dare people come up with their own stupid skub and not use MY skub
Caveman screaming at other cavemen for using fire
Lawl g3t pwned scrub.
I dunno. The power of the Ring is ultimately the temptation of rulership - it corrupts by offering the power to rule and to dominate. There are definitely Space Marines it could corrupt that way, but there would definitely be others it could not, for they have no desire for rulership, power, or domination, for their only desires are for duty, service, and the destruction of the Emperor's foes.
>the power to rule and to dominate.
>invisibility
???
Invisibility was only a side effect of it essentially shifting you into the realm of shadows where the ringwraiths live. It made you MORE visible to undead entities.
>puts on the ring
>Sauron immediately begins shouting "I CAN SEE YOU!!!!!!"
>this must be a ring of invisibility!
Midwits, not even once.
The Ring's invisibility was a side effect of Tolkien wanting to give Bilbo a magical item that did something relevant in the Hobbit. He never planned for the Lord of the Rings to happen when he wrote that. If re-written from the beginning I highly doubt the Ring would grant invisibility. Isildur casually wore the Ring for years and wasn't invisible the whole time.
I like to think that Gollum had a strong impact on how the ring works. I mean what power would he want living in the caves? My head cannon is that the power the ring provides is a corruption of the desires of its user while also then having an impact on the next one. Since say the Ring was lost for a long time before Smeagol/Gollum found it, it then lost its psychic resonance.
it is a reference to Plato. Plato presents a ring of invisiblity as a way to show one acting without consequence, the resulting power since no one can exert any social or effective physical retribution for what you do, and resulting moral corruption and injustice. The is more to it that it not worth talking of, but Plato explictitly connects invisible ring with power and evil.
Tolkien does this a lot.
>Suppose now that there were two such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.
>Then the actions of the just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust.
>For all men believe in their hearts that injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong or touching what was another's, he would be thought by the lookers-on to be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another's faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too might suffer injustice
It's not about rulership, it's about your desires. For a space marine, the ring would tempt him with the power to serve the emperor really, really well.
"MY SON, just wear this ring and I will be SUPER DUPER HAPPY, even more so than 1000 years of victory would bring. You'll be SO POWERFUL that you can single handedly smush the ruinous -redacted- for me! Doesn't that sound GLORIOUS?"
Ah, but with the ring, they could be a more effective weapon against the enemies of humanity.
>being tempted by a daemonic artefact
BLAM
>the warrior cultists driven by lust for slaughter aren't vulnerable to corruption
Idiotic.
Cope, homosexual.
I don't know if the term rulership entirely covers it, didn't Gandalf say something about using the ring for good purposes or good intentions while it would have still ensnared him and turned him eventually to the dark side?
Tulsa I was under the impression that it turned hobbits invisible because they seek to be unseen and out of everybody else's business?
>Carrying the ring - you get a small part of the corruption-inducing attention of one of the lieutenants of the fallen angel of the god of a realm/world. You get the full attention of said lieutenant IF you wear the ring. Pretty much everyone in the corresponding lore was either corrupted by it or avoided so much as touching it because they were certain they would get corrupted. It took two simpletons that didn't even understand what it was to destroy it, and even then a divine intervention was needed for the final push.
> Being a Primarch - you get the full corruption-inducing attention of four galactic -if not universal- level gods, all the time. Less than half of those were corrupted.
But SMs heroes have the worst corruption rates, right, moron?
Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors, the fact that a significant portion of them get corrupted is testament to how over the top the corruption of the Warp is, like everything else in the 30K-40K universe, coupled with the fact that due to them being children of the Emperor they get the brunt of the Chaos powers' attention.
>Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors
Lmao. No. Not even close. Their whole shtick is "they shall know no fear."
>Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors
That's bananamen. Space Marines are shock troops, soldiers.
>Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors, the fact that a significant portion of them get corrupted is testament to how over the top the corruption of the Warp is
All right, you think the One Ring into which the Dark Lord poured his malice and his will to dominate all life isn't going to be at least as much of a threat?
>But SMs heroes have the worst corruption rates, right, moron?
Marines had the same corruption rate as the regular humans on team Horus though. It's the primarchs that fricked up and dragged everyone else down with them.
Two space marine legions got expunged, and nine more fell to Chaos, so we're already at at a 55% corruption rate.
Post heresy, with no primarchs to lead them astray, the remaining loyalist marines still regularly manage to go renegade, such as in the Badab war.
>It took two simpletons that didn't even understand what it was to destroy it,
Frodo understood it well and if you actually read the book, even though the Ring has gone he's been profoundly changed by it.
Sam didn't know as much as Frodo did, but he, too, having used the Ring to bail his master out of the Orc rape dungeon once, absorbed some of its' powers - enough to outlive his sons and earn his stay in the Undying Lands as a relic of a bygone age.
>Space Marines' whole shtick is being incorruptible elite warriors
Have you ever heard of an obscure document called Codex: Chaos Space Marines?
Fingers too big. They'll be fine.
Doesn't the ring auto-resize, hence how it fits both Big Daddy Sauron before it was cut off, and then a human, and then a hobbit.
Yes. It's known to make itself slightly larger to fall off the wearer's finger.
>everyone thinks the ring wants to call out to its dark master and reign supreme again
>but it really just wants to troll the shit out of people
Fpbp
And /thread
One (1) Grey Knight.
Most marines would fall to the temptation of the ring.
A single custoidan could probably do it.
A custodian + SoS pair (assuming Sauron's magic works on 40k rules so has to be warp-related) would be gg.
Which 40k race/character would be, on average, the best choice to bring the ring to Mt. Doom?
Trazyn would probably archive it, immune to warp shit, but it would end up being a Tom Bombadil situation, where he'd likely just forget about it, or "get around to it later" if someone stole it, in favor of finding the next interesting object or person he can archive.
An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
I'd actually give some of the named Chaos Champions a better chance with the ring, but only because they're already so fricked in the head that the one ring would have a hard time tempting them to do anything out of their current pattern of behavior.
Trazyn and most Crypteks are out because of their curiosity, but some kind of Overlord who gets the command from his Phaeron and does not even handle it himself but hangs it around a company of Lychguard and then just marches down to Mt. Doom and just jumps in might be a good choice.
Any Chaos follower would jump at the chance to become something more powerful, maybe even a Chaos god themselves. And/or break free from their masters.
Sauron would barely qualify as a Greater Demon in 40K. So the one ring is an artifact containing part of the essence of a being somewhat on a Greater Demon's level.
For reference, Fulgrim got corrupted by an artifact containing the full power of a Greater Demon and that was back when he had no idea what Chaos was or how to defend against its corruption.
>An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
The ring enhances the user's inherent abilities. For a hobbit it means making them even sneakier. For an ork? Probably more dakka.
But is the One Ring subject to Waaaggh-frickery? Say an Ork Boy loots it off the dead hobbit, middle of a battlefield, and seeing that it made him invisible. Does the Ork Waaagh limit the Ring's powers to only invisibility while it's subject to Ork observation within a strong enough Waaagh, or does it still have a will to tempt and convince the Ork it does something more?
Either way it really only matters because it could theoretically mean an entire Orkish Waaagh could probably take it to Mordor, supposing they are pointed in the right direction and could maintain enough momentum to keep their psychic field suppressing the Ring.
>Does the Ork Waaagh limit the Ring's powers to only invisibility while it's subject to Ork observation within a strong enough Waaagh?
Maybe if EVERY ork in the waagh believed that. Otherwise no.
Tyranids should be able to with little issue, no?
>An Ork would probably think the ring is a useless humie thing, because he can achieve the same effects the ring has with a can of purple paint, and licking a squig's back.
It would go down exactly like Azhag and the crown of sorcery.
Azhag is a fantasy greenskin, they lack a lot of the more supernatural powers of their 40K counterparts, who are stated to be almost incorruptible by Chaos simply by them not being interested even in Khorne's promises of endless battle since Gork and Mork already delivered that just fine.
Boring answer but Custodian/Grey Knight. Both are nigh-uncorruptable, have no interest in the ring's temptations/power and elite enough to get the job done without much fuss.
Alternatively, a Harlequin could get it done too.
You just hit a point, I think we should first establish if Ainur are chaos entities or c'tan. I would assume the former since the elves are literally The Eldar on middle earth (its where GW stole the name from), but they also predated creation. Once we decide that we'll know just how corruption resistant the imperial agent needs to be to bear the ring.
.....peak level Morgoth.
Where does he stand with the other chaos gods? What would they think of each other? Maybe given to the understanding that morgoth is intrinsically tied to this specific planet on a magical or metaphysical level
>A single custoidan could probably do it.
This
>A custodian + SoS pair
a single Sister of Silence. The ring corrupts as a magical (psyker) ability. The ring would have to be firmly chained to her to prevent it from escaping her as it would utterly repulsed by her.
of course, how Eru gets the ring into the sisters possession would be an interesting tale. Probably have to have Gandalf and Bilbo/Frodo go to some specific place, deposit the ring and a specific place and watch from a safe distance while the sister secures it, Her journey to Mt Doom would be notable, as Arda itself and everything on it writhes in agony around her. But it would be unopposed.
According to Tolkien, nobody could have given up the Ring in the fires of Mount Doom. Not Frodo, not Sam, not Aragorn, not Elrond or Gandalf or Sauron himself. None of them have a will strong enough to unmake it in that place, because that place is also where the Ring is at its strongest.
In the letters he makes clear that Frodo got it to the finish line, so God stepped in and took it the rest of the way. Frodo earned a miracle.
>Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named' * (as one critic has said).
>I do not think that Frodo's was a moral failure. At the last moment the pressure of the Ring would reach its maximum – impossible, I should have said, for any one to resist, certainly after long possession, months of increasing torment, and when starved and exhausted. Frodo had done what he could and spent himself completely (as an instrument of Providence) and had produced a situation in which the object of his quest could be achieved. His humility (with which he began) and his sufferings were justly rewarded by the highest honour; and his exercise of patience and mercy towards Gollum gained him Mercy: his failure was redressed.
So the answer is no number of Space Marines could do it. Several might make it to Mount Doom, but none could destroy it.
So... Send a Blood Angel and hope the Sanguinor shows up to toss the ring at the very end?
Pretty much. morons in this thread are comparing two completely different lores in terms of how corrupting powers are represented. Almost all high-status characters in 40K worthy of the chaos gods' attention have gone up against demons on at least Sauron's level and have had to cope with whispers and promises of power on the daily. The corrupting power of the One Ring would barely be noticeable in 40K, it would basically be the equivalent of the sphere's attempts to push back the Astartes in the cinematic once they entered the final room. and brushed aside as easily.
I disagree, I don't think the disparity is as wide as you make it sound.
If we're talking about Mordor, in The Lord of the rings setting. Specifically.
Where does Gandalf sit in the power ladder compared to imperial saints? BT and the other elvish Lords were all terrified of the thing, even knowing that they would definitely positively most likely use it for a good purposes.
Giving the history of Space Marines in general, we know they are not incorruptible.
Are you really saying that the corrupting power of the ring in Mordor in Lord of the rings is absolutely nothing on any tier compared to anything close to even a basic demonic possession or weapon in 40k? Again, I disagree. moron.
>the gaze of Sauron falls upon them
>they are stunned and mindbreak
>meanwhile overwhelmed and stabbed to death by orcs and trolls
>turns out their primitive pig iron weapons cant do anything to ceramite
Yet one was killed by a wooden Spear from a human tribesmen.
going by primarchs, Rogal Dorn is probably the only one who has even a ghost of a chance to not go "Why not? Why shouldn't I keep it?", and those guys are the paragons that their chapters of space marines aspire to be.
Royal Dorm would definitely be tempted by it. It'd corrupt him with visions of endless impregnable fortresses, the same way it did to Sam by showing him visions of Mordor turned into a garden.
Probably the only Primarch that wouldn't be corrupted by it would be Angron. He never conquered his homeworld and is too tormented by the Nails to care about power, domination, or rulership.
Lion would also be likely to resist, he had the Chaos Gods bending everything they had to the task of breaking him, and all it did was make him unsociable. He did not fall.
The Lion still conquered Caliban. The Ring would use the feelings that drove him to rule to corrupt him.
did he really do it? I mean, the only thing he did was kill evil animals.
2, one with ring, second one to shove ringbearer into volcano for heresy or treason or whatever.
Unless there's a pairnof Space Marines that are spoofs of Frodo and Sam, it's not happening. The whole scheme hinged on the Hobbits' ambitions being to save their home, go home, eat some strawberries, maybe dick the redhead down the street. Space Marines don't truck with that Agriworld shit.
two named ones, defaul sm's will be corrupted quickly, even chaos marines
The ring has a 100% success rate at corrupting people meanwhile marines commonly fall to chaos for little to no reason. They’re unhinged meat heads, one whisper of power and that’s a new renegade chapter called “The Astral Wraiths”
>The ring has a 100% success rate at corrupting people
Not Sam, it tried and he just said no thanks. Showed him visions of having the world's biggest and best garden and was just "nah the one I have is enough work for me, I'd never be able to look after it all"
That was honestly very funny.
>okay okay I can figure this out I just need to corrupt one single hobbit real quick, how hard can it be
>what do hobbits want again
>*furiously shifting through pages on the corruption of human kings and elf lords trying to look for the midget gardener section*
>uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if you dominate the world you'll have a really big garden
And then Gamgee just stares confusedly and goes "how am I even going to take care of a garden of that size"
>the ring is just a concealed speaker for Sauron to make you trade offers
>Sauron has to actively talk to you through it, it does nothing bad if he's distracted or otherwise occupied
New funny headcanon accepted
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Maybe get a G(r)ay Knight to do this then? Or some batshit insane DC marine, just give him a ring and tell to put it down Horus's throat, his location - the top of mt. Doom
Well, even Sam did have a lingering taint from his brief exposure to the point he dissappear off to the grey havens afternoon wife dies.
That's odd. I always viewed that as an honor bestowed to Ring Bearers that they got to go to the havens, and Sam qualified as a Ring Bearer regardless of his brief tenure.
>*psst, come here*
>huh?
>*daemonette pussy*
Have some Sororitas do it, they resist corruption better than marines and if they feel themselves starting to go screwy then tend to killself. That's why you send a couple, so if one starts to lose it and gets blammed another one can pick it up and keep going.
Whole point of the Hobbits is that hey resist evil. The ring is a metaphor for rampant ambition.
None, unless you can find a space marine stronger than the Emperor, whose internment in the golden throne is a direct reference to Sauron's inability to retake physical form without the ring, thus leading to his inprisonment in Barad Dur.
Deepest lore
The more powerful you are the easier the ring corrupts you. Just fricking imagine the speed it could claim the 40k characters.
>Ring-sama is about to pilot the Emporer right into Minas Morgul for one billion years of service
A Sister of Silence or culuxs would work, better yet Cain and Jurgen so Amberly can just shoot the Witch King in the face.
>Jurgen
>Orcs
Meltagun
>Wraiths
Meltagun
>Witch King
Vail borrows meltagun
>Shelob
Meltagun
>About to throw ring in lava
"Oh wait this was a waste of time"
>Puts ring on ground
Meltagun
to throw ring in lava
>"Oh wait this was a waste of time"
>>Puts ring on ground
>Meltagun
would not work, the ring must be destroyed by the fires from whence it came.
put it inside drop pod and just crash land it into the mouth of MtDoom
that could work. as long as Eru can be practical about such things rather tha engage in long term larps to make some point no one cares about.
One Grey Knight or a based named character would have no problem.
They'd probably absolutely frick Mordor just for fun too. Imagine anyone who fought 40k Orks and won fighting LotR Orcs. It would be a joke.
>ring corruption
These dudes literally have to deal with 4 chaos gods doing the same shit, the entire point of the zealotry of 40k is to stave off corruption. The ring is b***h level in comparison to just living in 40k.
except by virtue of being written by someone intelligent, Sauron is drastically superior at corruption than all 4 chaos gods combined
It took divine intervention from God, literally God, to stop him
Sauron 40k is a loss scenario for all of 40k, because seriously, how long do you think it'll take him to ascend to Chaos God status WITHOUT literal divine providence to hold him back?
Sauron is a wrong fit for 40k, because the reason why he's so effective is that he's not that powerful - compared to Valar or his old boss, Morgoth, or his boss before that, Aule - but he understands how mortals work better than any other semi-divine creature in Arda, except Gandalf perhaps (Gandalf knows Sauron's limitations, such as his extreme cynicism - Sauron's major weakness is being utterly unable to contemplate genuine altruism or love).
he is also a supernaturally talented craftsman and engineer though
and if we have Sauron at his strongest, with his shapeshifting not taken away by Eru, he becomes a very real problem for 40k precisely because he's willing to take his time to learn what makes the universe tick
In that scenario he wouldn't appear as an overlord immediately, he would instead appear in a much more mundane guise, probably first on a Forgeworld, working his way up among the techpriests, eventually taking them over from the inside and even switching their worship, corrupting their tenets
Or alternatively, Sauron has innate authority and lordship over Orcs, if this also applies to Orkz then we run into a very real issue fast when Sauron starts metagaming the WAAAGH! against them
>probably first on a Forgeworld, working his way up among the techpriests, eventually taking them over from the inside and even switching their worship, corrupting their tenets.
Uh... Belisarius Calw?
You think disguising a new series of Rings as DAOT gear to be "rediscovered" would work on the Martian high priests?
>he is also a supernaturally talented craftsman and engineer though
That's from his apprenticeship under Aule. He is far from the best there was; Likely not even as skilled as Feanor, given that no new Palantirs were made despite Sauron clearly having an interest in them.
He would know enough to create weapons of war, but something truly wondrous would be beyond his skill as a smith/engineer/sorcerer. Even the Rings were not all his innovation, but a joint endeavour with the Elves - his is only the twist in creation of the One Ring.
the one ring was though the pinnacle of rings, for better or worse and we're not talking about him starting from the ground up here
just studying the technologies already present in 40k, figuring out how they work, how to improve upon them
The Rings in general were made to counteract the slow fading of magic and wonder from the world. One Ring was designed to have power over other rings; Except the Three which were disconnected from Sauron's ploy.
And we see the use of the Elvish rings in preserving the domains of Rivendell and Lothlorien; The One was only good to corrupt and enslave. I don't think there's any material on what the other rings were supposed to be doing aside from making you a slave to Sauron, because they weren't removed from under the power of the One.
the One Ring also gives you dominion making it neigh impossible for those who are you rightful subjects to disobey you
for example Aragorn claiming the One Ring as his own would amplify his kingship over all of mankind, which is why Sauron was genuinely afraid of him, since it would have allowed him to wrest away Sauron's human armies
As I said, it's only good for rape and enslavement. It's why Tom mistakes it for a useless trinket - it's of zero use to him. And it's not like he doesn't have problems - the corruption is spreading into his forest, there are undead abominations lurking in close vicinity, but the idea of raping or enslaving doesn't occur in his head, so the Ring is nothing to him.
The Elvish rings certainly have other uses, because their makers were not locked into hyper-competitive mindset, so the superiority of One Ring is also a very limited one.
>twenty legions
>two [REDACTED], half of the rest lost to the chaos
Lol, lmao.
I thought about this when I saw it on the other site a few weeks ago and came to the conclusion that the only ones on the Imperial side that could do it would be the Custodes because of their weird incorruptibility.
Simple, they send the most disinterested man in the Imperium
Custodes don’t even wear shirts.
If we allowed named characters, Sigismund could probably do it.
Marines have a terrible track record of resisting temptation. It's like the most effective attack against them.
The whole point of hobbits doing it was because nobody would expect it, bet most didnt even know they existed so they could get there without getting the attention.
Space marines would have too mucj attention on themselves and would just get themselves into a battle with forces of mordor and probably lose the ring that way.