>Also, look into 3D printing. High up-front costs, but relatively low marginal costs.
Hardly high. You can buy a new 4k resin printer for around the same price as three GW troop boxes now.
Coffee addicts have coffeemakers. People go to Starbucks because they want a milkshake, but they don't want to admit that they're drinking a milkshake. You are right though, it's a hell of a business model, almost like GW.
Apples and uranium. A production 3D printer is barely a stretch for a competent person to set up and calibrate. It requires a few hours actively learning the skill, then time invested in printing (and potentially failing and iterating). Assembling a car requires a suite of mechanical skills and the ability to employ them. It takes an individual hundreds to thousands of hours to do solo. Failure can destroy components or burn down your goddamn house.
Sell me a DIY kit car as affordable and easy to deploy as a 3D printer in 2023, and that generates the same quality of product. I'll take ten.
>Also, look into 3D printing. High up-front costs, but relatively low marginal costs.
Hardly high. You can buy a new 4k resin printer for around the same price as three GW troop boxes now.
If you have a way to get outside, just put your printer in a fume hood and thread the duct to the closest available exit. All you need is a box, a fan, and however much flexible air duct it takes to reach outdoors, and that's only if you have to make your own instead of buying one, which you should be able to do if you can afford a printer.
>You do not 3D print an army. You 3D print a mold (or more likely use a subtractive process like CNC milling) and then cast the army one unit at a time
What the actual frick are you going on about? You can shit out figurines from 3d printers to make an army in 28mm in a day if you want to.
I'm going to imagine your furniture is cheap. My couch cost as much as most of my 40k army, and even buying the most expensive stuff you'd be hard pressed to top out a reasonable apartment loadout of decent furniture. Plus you also have competition on the furniture side. Many companies make comfy chairs, only one makes the Astartes, and while you can get Mantic or some other third party stuff, some people will get mad about it.
>small battalion of plastic soldiers >Both will last you 2 decades if you're sensible about it.
Not if it's for 40k. Point changes and other bullshit can turn a 2000 point army into a 500 point skirmish force.
Paypiggies have allowed GW to frick them in the ass almost as hard as gaccha pigs. You could literally just buy an all in one war game, or easily print out a paper army. By the time the paypigs realise they barely even like the game, they've already had to convince themselves the money and time sink was worth it. Did you buy, build and paint an entire army just to realise you don't like that faction? Too bad, maybe you can try another next year.
I don't play paypig hammer. I engage in multiple hobbies. For instance. I bought a kayak and used it about 4 times before realizing I'd rather have a paddle board. So I sold it only losing 100 bucks. Then I got a paddle board as Costco for 200 bucks and it's pretty nice. I spend on my hobbies. But I'd never drop the kind of cash and time into a hobby that basically is a fancier version of accumulating funko pops.
Are you talking that Space Wolf novel that had a Black person on the cover (for Muh Diversity) but no Black folk in the story because it's a story about the pure Aryan planet of Fenris?
The value of goods is determined by what people will pay for them within a market. If people are actually willing to pay $10 for a plastic figurine, then that's obviously what it is worth.
The balance to this is that the seller must remember that selling two 10 cent miniatures for $6 is far more profitable than selling one for $10, so it's better to keep prices down instead of going for the maximum someone would pay: Remember, there ARE absolutely people who would pay $10 for a single Imperial Guardsman, but there are many, many, maaaany more who would pay $1.50 for one, so that's what you get.
>I have a problem with this
Living in the real world does produce a lot of problems: A solution is simple, find people who undercut the main supplier at lower costs while retaining similar levels of quality. There are tons of Chinese sellers who do this.
>The value of goods is determined by what people will pay for them within a market.
No. The value of everything is inherent and completely unrelated to any economic concept. Every human in every culture intuitively knows that shitty plastic soldier is not actually worth tens of dollars no matter how many people pay that willingly. All it means is that those people are morons who've been had. Some of the most valuable things in the world are free, and many of the least valuable things cost billions.
Lmao no things have value because humans want them.
A tribe in Africa will see no value in the newest computer just like your average western person sees no value in a goat.
Its a fascinating mental delusion caused by usually social moronic man children attempting to find value in a hobby to give value to themselves. Ergo overpriced plastic/cards they genuinely think are worth their price, or even worse, have 'value'. They cant stop buying them, because they would shatter the last link between their self esteem and anything of worth, so companies like WotC and GWS can make plastic for $0.05 and sell it for $50 each so nerds can feel good about themselves.
Dont forget you're on a board with beanie baby toddlers debate the "value" of their "rare" playing cards which are the physical equivalent of NFTs.
Or, money is worthless, hobbies are fun, who gives a shit. I can always make more money.
They are selling a lifestyle, same as MTG. The game is not a product like you think it is; for normies, it's a fashion statement, etc. If it was just a game people would print their own cards, 3d print, buy recasts or 3rd party miniatures.
You're poor and have cheap furniture (like me lol).
Supply and demand.
Also, look into 3D printing. High up-front costs, but relatively low marginal costs.
>Also, look into 3D printing. High up-front costs, but relatively low marginal costs.
Hardly high. You can buy a new 4k resin printer for around the same price as three GW troop boxes now.
Or, to put it better: It's like two tanks of gas or a month of starbucks-tier coffees.
Coffee addicts are being milked like dairy cows. It's truly sad to see.
I bought a new Anycubic Mono 4k off of Walmart.com for $165, and there are cheaper models/brands if you want to pay even less.
Coffee addicts have coffeemakers. People go to Starbucks because they want a milkshake, but they don't want to admit that they're drinking a milkshake. You are right though, it's a hell of a business model, almost like GW.
Wow, I didn't realize how cheap they'd become.
That's cool, maybe I'll buy one soon!
New cars getting too expensive? Why don't you build your own? Carl Benz did it in like 1885. High up-front costs, but relatively low marginal costs.
Apples and uranium. A production 3D printer is barely a stretch for a competent person to set up and calibrate. It requires a few hours actively learning the skill, then time invested in printing (and potentially failing and iterating). Assembling a car requires a suite of mechanical skills and the ability to employ them. It takes an individual hundreds to thousands of hours to do solo. Failure can destroy components or burn down your goddamn house.
Sell me a DIY kit car as affordable and easy to deploy as a 3D printer in 2023, and that generates the same quality of product. I'll take ten.
Isn't noise and fumes a huge problem though?
Not really? Just use common sense and/or a vented enclosure of some sort.
I don't have any windows
Then you're homeless and all the world is a window, but you've got bigger problems than Traditional Gaming.
If you have a way to get outside, just put your printer in a fume hood and thread the duct to the closest available exit. All you need is a box, a fan, and however much flexible air duct it takes to reach outdoors, and that's only if you have to make your own instead of buying one, which you should be able to do if you can afford a printer.
That legally makes your room a closet, rather than a living space.
It sounds like a computer fan, and you can open a window to mitigate the smell
You do not 3D print an army. You 3D print a mold (or more likely use a subtractive process like CNC milling) and then cast the army one unit at a time
>You do not 3D print an army. You 3D print a mold (or more likely use a subtractive process like CNC milling) and then cast the army one unit at a time
What the actual frick are you going on about? You can shit out figurines from 3d printers to make an army in 28mm in a day if you want to.
I suspect it's a GW paypig who is trying an absolutely pathetic bit of bad advice to try and ruin a n00bs first exposure to printing.
You've got crap furniture
Get a 3d printer or go to ebay or Ivan and Chang.
play alt wargames or historicals, and choose an appropriately scaled miniatures for the size of engagement or vice versa
Or play one that uses chits
uoh?
Idiots are willing to pay for them.
Mass market household good made in China vs. niche luxury good made in UK.
You ship at Ikea.
I'm going to imagine your furniture is cheap. My couch cost as much as most of my 40k army, and even buying the most expensive stuff you'd be hard pressed to top out a reasonable apartment loadout of decent furniture. Plus you also have competition on the furniture side. Many companies make comfy chairs, only one makes the Astartes, and while you can get Mantic or some other third party stuff, some people will get mad about it.
Same way a table can run as much as a used car.
>How the frick are a small battalion of plastic soldiers as expensive as my furniture?
Both will last you 2 decades if you're sensible about it.
>small battalion of plastic soldiers
>Both will last you 2 decades if you're sensible about it.
Not if it's for 40k. Point changes and other bullshit can turn a 2000 point army into a 500 point skirmish force.
The frick you'd get your furniture from? A dump?
Worse.
Argos.
Paypiggies have allowed GW to frick them in the ass almost as hard as gaccha pigs. You could literally just buy an all in one war game, or easily print out a paper army. By the time the paypigs realise they barely even like the game, they've already had to convince themselves the money and time sink was worth it. Did you buy, build and paint an entire army just to realise you don't like that faction? Too bad, maybe you can try another next year.
How much money have you spent on your hobby, anon?
Sounds like you're angrier with yourself than anyone else.
I don't play paypig hammer. I engage in multiple hobbies. For instance. I bought a kayak and used it about 4 times before realizing I'd rather have a paddle board. So I sold it only losing 100 bucks. Then I got a paddle board as Costco for 200 bucks and it's pretty nice. I spend on my hobbies. But I'd never drop the kind of cash and time into a hobby that basically is a fancier version of accumulating funko pops.
Ok.
So why on earth are you here on /tg/?
Maybe once upon a time he had a roommate blow the rent money on 40Krapsicles or something?
And yet you're still this mad.
>I engage in multiple hobbies.
You have one hobby, eternally seething on /tg/ that there was a black person on that one BL book cover.
Are you talking that Space Wolf novel that had a Black person on the cover (for Muh Diversity) but no Black folk in the story because it's a story about the pure Aryan planet of Fenris?
The economy of the world doesn't connect value with price at all and actively encourages wasting money on dumb shit.
The value of goods is determined by what people will pay for them within a market. If people are actually willing to pay $10 for a plastic figurine, then that's obviously what it is worth.
The balance to this is that the seller must remember that selling two 10 cent miniatures for $6 is far more profitable than selling one for $10, so it's better to keep prices down instead of going for the maximum someone would pay: Remember, there ARE absolutely people who would pay $10 for a single Imperial Guardsman, but there are many, many, maaaany more who would pay $1.50 for one, so that's what you get.
>I have a problem with this
Living in the real world does produce a lot of problems: A solution is simple, find people who undercut the main supplier at lower costs while retaining similar levels of quality. There are tons of Chinese sellers who do this.
>The value of goods is determined by what people will pay for them within a market.
No. The value of everything is inherent and completely unrelated to any economic concept. Every human in every culture intuitively knows that shitty plastic soldier is not actually worth tens of dollars no matter how many people pay that willingly. All it means is that those people are morons who've been had. Some of the most valuable things in the world are free, and many of the least valuable things cost billions.
>Some of the most valuable things in the world are free
Such as?
Ducks.
Slapping your mom's ass.
Anon, it costs money to touch the prostitutes
Not making stupid posts on Ganker.
Lmao no things have value because humans want them.
A tribe in Africa will see no value in the newest computer just like your average western person sees no value in a goat.
Its a fascinating mental delusion caused by usually social moronic man children attempting to find value in a hobby to give value to themselves. Ergo overpriced plastic/cards they genuinely think are worth their price, or even worse, have 'value'. They cant stop buying them, because they would shatter the last link between their self esteem and anything of worth, so companies like WotC and GWS can make plastic for $0.05 and sell it for $50 each so nerds can feel good about themselves.
Dont forget you're on a board with beanie baby toddlers debate the "value" of their "rare" playing cards which are the physical equivalent of NFTs.
Or, money is worthless, hobbies are fun, who gives a shit. I can always make more money.
>Or, money is worthless, hobbies are fun, who gives a shit. I can always make more money.
This is true tho
Preaching to the choir I have wasted thousands. And now I learned about MtG so there goes everything.
Quality plastic.
They are selling a lifestyle, same as MTG. The game is not a product like you think it is; for normies, it's a fashion statement, etc. If it was just a game people would print their own cards, 3d print, buy recasts or 3rd party miniatures.
The world has a fricked up sense of worth atm
I can walk to a store and buy beef jerky for five dollars, but next door over it costs ten. Why?
Mexican beef.
Because people put up with those prices.