How the frick did a game that looks like THIS become one of the most popular and influential games of the last decade? How can anyone make millions with something that looks this bad? I literally cannot understand. Are zoomers' standards really this low?
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I always thought Undertale was overrated as frick. I remember playing it when it came out and thought it was a cute little 7/10 indie game, and then 10/10’s started rolling in and I was genuinely surprised
true
toby fox joined the epstein club
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Gameplay was good but the message was 11/10. Game had some serious depth.
Pissed me off though as I was non violent for every fight but the first, still a murderer. Doesn’t matter how many bridges you build you just suck one dick…
>Gameplay was good but the message was 11/10. Game had some serious depth.
I played it before the hype(friend recommendation), got bored after meeting some moronic skeletons and dropped it.
The thing is, it shits on most modern games in terms of being a fun gaming experience, not a high bar at all since most modern games are live service slops designed to sell expansions, battle passes and skins, but still noteworthy. If this came out before gaming got so shit, it probably wouldnt of caught on, but gaming is what it is right now so it did
You're right, but in this day and age games get extra tendie points for being unique. Undertale inspired a lot of shitty clones so it got to join the 10/10 ign club
I heard from it from multiple friends and read about it online. The one constant was this silent agreement that nobody would spoil anything, they just said it's great and that I should play it. I took them up on that. What a ride it was. One of the rare occasions when the term "modern classic" was ever justified. I'm happy to see Toby making more in the form of Deltarune, and still not losing his edge so far at least.
go play Ass Creed 49 you dummy
the music was really good and the plot was good and had funny internet humor vidoe game bloodborne was bettere
Bait, but I’ll take anyway.
Music is good, battle system is unique, and the fact it’s like 2 hours long means people actually wanted to see what different choices did.
Characters are unique, lots of vague story content to build fan creations from. If you can’t see why it’s popular maybe you are the idiot. I think Hollow Knight is garbage but I can still myself in the shoes of somebody who likes it
It's not bait it's the truth, there are free browser flash games that are better than this trash. This game is made for trannies/emo zoomies like you, now go back redditroon
It’s stylistic
Co-opted by trannies and made into a hit by xem/xers shilling it everywhere and praising it's reddit humor. So yes - zoomers` standards are really this low. In the gutter, really. Like where zoomers should've been thrown after birth.
Because homestuck
anon slowly realizes it's not about graphic fidelity, but about SOUL instead
Undertale graphics are completely devoid of soul
Soul is passion and effort and details where they're not necessary, and trying your best despite limitations, and going above and beyond simply because you want to, not intentionally ugly and lazy inconsistent copout pixelshit that's worse than the already simplistic looking game that inspired you
Nope, although it's technically higher res and has a larger color palette than NES games, those still looked consistent and had high effort art, comparing Undertale graphics to SNES pixel art is laughable
Soul isn't just detail or even effort. It's something charming and appealing.
Charming and appealing are also soul, yes, but only when they're the result of actual real world limitations, such as technological limitations where someone squeezed the maximum out of paltry hardware in order to convey an idea, or mental limitations such as the scribbles of small children.
Intentionally imitating those limitations while not being subject to them just makes you come off as lazy or mentally challenged, whereas intentionally discarding good art to make it uglier puts you squarely in the "post irony" department which is anti-soul.
Right was made by a dedicated profissional team who where paid a salary every month by an AAA company while undertale was made by 1 dude in his basement while also having to writr code and compose the music.
Right was made by one guy in his free time, Undertale was made by Toby and Temmie with 50k in funding
Budget != quality
I think you are placing the importance of graphics a bit too much. Toby could've easily spend extra money on overworld graphics, but that would've been too time consuming and would equal to having less content, so he prioritized programming and music. I doubt that artist you posted could program or make music as good as Toby's
Not to mention. There are a lot indie game with better graphics, but they're not popular because they don't have a gameplay or story as engaging Undertale's.
>buh muh soul dedication
Something that's extremely subjective and not worth arguing.
>muh soul *definition
used the wrong word here
You're getting awfully defensive and it's bringing down your literacy, the argument in the reply chain was specifically about soulful visuals, which Undertale does not have. It can have plenty of other soulful details in other areas that are not related to visuals, but as a whole the visual aesthetic is lazy and soulless and OP's gripes about the look are entirely justified.
yeah, visuals are shit and the weakest part of undertale, we know that
Undertale is full of soulful details
>fun irrelevant fight details like pic related
>the background story of the ice cubes thrown by the wolf that goes into the CORE
>every major character has their own unique text scroll font and sound to give them a unique voice without having to get voice actors
>Entire route meant to mock completionists for trying to see all 200 variations on the phone call on the end (even if the internet ruined it by constantly spoiling it until it basically became a back-of-the-box feature).
>Entire route meant to mock completionists for trying to see all 200 variations on the phone call on the end
what?
>Soul is passion and effort and details where they're not necessary
I agree, and I can clearly tell you haven't played undertale
>going above and beyond simply because you want to, not intentionally ugly and lazy inconsistent copout pixelshit that's worse than the already simplistic looking game that inspired you
When it comes to cartoonish graphics is all about style
It's better to look horrible but distinctive than le good but generic
picture relevant
>It's better to look horrible but distinctive than le good but generic
Which is that meant to be?
Are you arguing Big Mouth's art style is soulful
point proven
you can identify that cartoon by its name
many generic styles would go unnoticed
>you can identify that cartoon by its name
It's in the filename...
it could had also been the nickname of the artist
right is 600*480 pixels and is literally just a background with no tiles. it doesn't even look that good when blow up to fit a 24 inch 1080p monitor.
"Soul" this, "soul" that, but then you post shit that is probably either a pixel artist's artwork with no game attached or shit that typically ends up like Owl Boy which was shit in gameplay and story. There's indie games that look good and others that look like shit but frankly who gives a FRICK about the look unless it compliments the game? You undermine the effort of everything by just focusing on what looks pretty.
Soul
>zoomers
That is what RPGs looked like in the NES/SNES era.
It's endearing. Besides, it doesn't even look THAT bad.
>implying graphics matter
Look at this Black person
Pre-made fanbase from Homestuck.
unironically the story was good. Music was great too. An experience like UT is just one of a kind if yo ucompare it to other normalgay or even indie games
>An experience like UT is just one of a kind if yo ucompare it to other normalgay or even indie games
It's one of a kind for zoomshit, it's mogged by any old JRPG in the visuals/music/story/character/soul department
Based old JRPG enjoyer. SaGa Frontier 2 still looks amazing to this day
looks decent for only 2 people making the game, so I don't know what could make you think it looks THAT bad
>mindless AAA golem can't comprehend game play, story, characters, and music carrying a game
>MUH GRAFFIXX
It's because of muh heckin' AMBIGUOUS GENDER protagonist and muh THEMES OF DEPRESSION. It's basically the deepest thing in the world to 13 year olds.
AI post
Graphics gays deserve death.
I've never heard of anyone who played this homosexual propaganda.
Was it only SJW "journalists" who reviewed this, and Plebbit latched on to this piece of crap, while they blindly praised it despite never playing?
But the game looks fine visually. Deltarune looks a lot better, but undertale is far from ugly
It has the ingredients for a viral game
>association with past viral internet phenomena (Homestuck)
>in-game memes (the dog stuff)
>4th wall breaking
>irony (kids love irony)
>good music
>uses leitmotifs (i like leitmotifs but this is like crack to people)
>furries
>twitter virality/word of mouth via twittergays
There's probably more
Graphics prostitutes have always been a blight on the industry.
Graphics prostitutes are about raw technology and fidelity, we're discussing visuals and Undertale is visually ugly as frick. Games with objectively less technology and fidelity (i.e. worse graphics) look much better than it due to having good visual design and artistry.
Undertale doesn't look nice and yet the designs are iconic
Soul. Based toby showing indies how to do it, i still occasionally think about undertale and its nearing a decade no, I can’t even remember wtf happened in pikmin 4 lol
Is Deltarune any good?
It's good. A lot more promising lore. Toby is cooking up kino.
The first 2 chapters are free so just play them
Yes, I'd say its more promising than Undertale if you were an enjoyer of the lore/story and gameplay, but the music and pacing are worse plus it won't be completely finished for several years most likely
i only played chapter 1 but purely from a gameplay perspective I think it's a lot better than undertale and feels like a natural progression of the combat mechanics
Its simple, it wasnt. Get outside of the echo chambers
Undertale had the benefit of being shilled hard by Toby Fox's huge ass existing fanbase. The game was never going to fail, no matter how it turned out.
>muh looks
>muh aesthetics
parasites like you obsessed with graphics killed vidya and soul gaming
Actually people like me killed vidya and soul gaming.
>t. normie who whales for lootboxes
>influential
0/10 didn't troll me
How the frick this bait post got THIS amount of replies? How can anyone engage with such moronic individual? I literally cannot understand. Are Gankertards standards really this low?
It's just a nucleation site in wider discussion. I just saw it as another Undertale thread.
Is this your first day here? Half of all threads on any board start like this
>be OP
>think X
>make thread vitriolically insisting "X is wrong and anybody who thinks that is a fricking moron"
>wait for a few people to post so the thread IP count is dilluded
>start posting as an anon saying that you think X and that anybody who thinks X is wrong is a fricking moron
yep, no point in making a thread unless you're able to elicit an emotional response or somehow else pique anons' interest. For example, the post above mine is an excellent vehicle used to keep threads like these alive.
>3D is boring
>2D usually is tweenshit
>tumblr
>nostalgia
>tumblr
>indie game
>TUMBLR
>good writing
>ERRORTALE HAS MORE FANART THAN YOUR FAVORITE SHOW
>homestuck
People loved the concept of being able to resolve encounters non-violently compared to every other RPG where you just slaughter every living thing in your way. Plus the humor was good and the soundtrack fricked, and the way the game paints you as the monster when you decide to play it like a typical RPG is still amazing, more games should do it.
Because it exuded SOUL and that's what really matters.
>one of the most popular and influential games of the last decade
lol
it genuinely doesn't look that bad lmao, at worst the floors are just flat colour and chara looks like shit but everything else looks fine
Undertale has a homemade look. It looks like an RPG Maker game you'd find on a random forum made by a teenager, but it's a really good one.
The battle screens are genuinely stylish.
It's popular because the guy who made it was already popular.
He could've probably literally shat on a plate and his mentally ill fans would've praised it as the greatest thing ever.
>It's popular because the guy who made it was already popular.
People always say this but Toby was only "popular" if you were into Homestuck, outside of that, he isn't really popular
I mean sure, he did get his kickstarter goal met, but that's mostly because the Undertale demo was very promising
>people who backed the game are shills
by this logic, literally every game that's popular and successful has shills on Ganker
Toby Fox didn't go by that name during the Homestuck years, he was known as Radiation. So your google trend search doesn't mean anything.
Yeah he did. He also went by Radiation, but he's been going by Toby Fox since at least the Halloween Hack days.
>by this logic, literally every game that's popular and successful has shills on Ganker
now you're getting it anon. Every single game that comes out has shitposters barging into the thread only complaining about shills. This is unironically what some of the "people" on Ganker believe. Coincidentally they don't care about the games themselves, they just like complaining
I think some people's reaction to not enjoying something that other people do is to assume that those people are literally being paid. Same as people who voted for trump, then he lost, then they cherrypicked pictures of empty Biden rallies (this was in the opening weeks of COVID btw) as proof that literally not a single person voted for Biden. It's a copium response to realizing that most people disagree with you. You simply deny reality because that's easier than contemplating the possibility that you have a shit opinion.
I'd like to emphasize that I don't think there isn't any marketing happening on the 'chinz, but it gets exhausting to read about muh shills for the n-th time. It adds nothing to the conversation, and worse yet it's boring. If you're gonna shitpost at least get creative ffs. Fricking phoneposters
the sheer amount of seething contained in this image lmao
it makes me seethe how uncreative it is
fricking slop tower, slopporegalia, the sloppin of andy and leyley, really, is that the best you can do, just put the word slop in there?
if you're going to the trouble of actually matching the style, at the very least make something a bit wittier than slop
People have been uncreative since the very beginning, effort is bad because for every good burn you pause and think about, you could've dished out 50 shit burns and kept up your momentum.
The more time you spend, the more you look like a "loser" for being "this invested in an argument", so you have to be quick on the draw.
Knowing this shithole, that probably truly is the best they can do.
Ganker hasn't been creative or good at pumping out quality OC since 2016 happened.
Trial & Error is a good one though, I like that one. It's the one witty remark in the whole collection of weak bait.
>the one "good one"
>literally the exact phrase the dev himself uses to describe the game
really makes you think.
The battle scenes are neato.
I've never played this game, I don't care about, it influenced nothing in my life.
And I will never play it.
the perfect time to play undertale was right when it was released.
Influential to what?
Well?
Influential to _what_?
It's all luck you dumb moron. You never know what makes a hit with people or not.
it's fun
just goes to show you that looks aren't everything
>all this butthurt itt
The evergreen tweet.
Invalidated by the fact that Toby Fox had at least 2000 paying people who were dedicated to shilling, not to mention the countless other fans in his previously established fanbase from Homestuck shit.
Had literally any other developer released Undertale in the exact same state as it came, no one would have played it, let alone bought it. It had too many unfair advantages for its success to be considered legitimate.
>invalidated
Kermit the Frog reversed the invalidation.
>nooo the successful person made something that was successful, it's not fair because he was successful
success breeds success
Toby used to be extremely online when he was a teenager. He knows the score.
>I have some criticisms
>NO YOU JUST HATE IT ON PRINCIPLE
this and the "Kermit Defense" being a near-universal response to criticism of Undertale is pure blind cope
though this isn't a place where criticism is ever taken seriously - if you do it you're just "le pessimistic contrarian shitposter tortanic-wanter" and if you speak against it you're a shill Black personhomosexual so it's just a nonstop spiral of gay lol
is it the worst thing ever? nah
is it an actual 10/10 masterpiece? nah
it's a game with strengths and flaws like any other - just like there really are tit-sucking fanboys who think the game can do no wrong there are bitter b***hes that hate the fanbase so much it utterly clouds their consideration of the game itself
>>I have some criticisms
well, what are they?
to this day the only properly construed criticism I have witnessed on Undertale is the tumblr artstyle characters.
oh and Alphys being annoying
Alphys is legitimately the only scar on an otherwise perfect game. The game would be better off without her because she's the most poorly written character in the game. I get the angle of trying to make a character with self-esteem issues who gets overly clingy to you but the issue is that she does things that should be treated as unspeakable, yet it's handwaved away to give everyone a happy ending.
Yeah frick Alphys. Stupid gay lizard.
It doesn't look bad, the graphics just aren't anything special. They're good enough especially when almost everything else about the game is excellent.
Undertale looks good enough, more importantly it's a 10/10 game so it deserves its popularity.
Because the sprites are fun
The weird shitty graphics that fall somewhere between NES and SNES in quality are part of UT's charm, but they are also not why UT is a classic
It's the story, music and characters that make Undertale a beloved classic. It could look like 2600 shovelware and people would still love it if everything else was in place.
Want proof graphics don't matter? Look at Dwarf Fortess
grafix are not everything. they released a full game in the year of 2015 that had an okay story, an okay gimmick, and okay gameplay. these three factors alone put it above even modern games.
same year btw
is the render in the right animated?
How the frick are you on Ganker having never played Myst?
Could be wrong because I hate tank controls and old-school survival horror, but if that's Resident Evil, these are static pre-rendered backgrounds. Not really comparable to a dynamic platformer like mario that ultimately has many more moving parts under the hood mechanically. The mechanics of early RE games are pretty well achievable on an Atari 2600.
one of the best games ever made, and a shitty remake of a NES game
Unironically, it's soul. I'm not just saying that to parrot the meme that travels around moron cliques. Undertale is a genuinely unique experience the first time you play. It's not really worth a 2nd playthrough unless you wanna do basically the exact same thing but with different dialogue and occasional easter eggs, but it came out at a time that games were starting to cost north of a billion dollars, and it held most people's attention for about as long as most $60 games could. And the strangest part is that it did it with, as OP's said, simple graphics. What Undertale lacks in visuals, it makes up for with its dialogue, characters, and music. It's a good game. Don't let the board morons whose schizophrenia is triggered by pastels trick you into thinking it's some loveletter to trannies because it's not, and even if it were, it would still be a well-made piece of media.
You can do a genocide run for a second playthrough, although it's pretty grindy
It was astroturfed hard. Tobys a israelite. Same reason all the songs are plagarized and no lawsuit. In the case of Delta Rune fields of hope is a 90% 1 to 1 of plains of eternity ff13-2.
Toby had initial backing from the MOTHER and Homestuck fandoms, both of which were already autistically following his original works.
Then the Kickstarter demo drew in the furries who wanted to frick Toriel, who proceeded to support him even more.
Undertale was the last time I listened to contrarians on this shithole. I did not play Undertale until 2020.
Once you realize people here hate things because they're popular the same way people on twitter and other platforms like things because they're popular you'll start enjoying games again.
the trick is to find an anon who is actually engaging in a real conversation with (You) instead of just spilling buzzwords everywhere and focusing on non-vidya meta stuff. It's kind of hard to find anons like that on this board but they're out there. The only other option is to entirely ignore what anons are saying.