That was such a perfect time for mmo pvp. The guild pvp in gw1 with tons of devs at the top in their own game and then you could go be a absolute degenerate to others in wow's open world.
what is the most "incel" thing you ever did in WoW?
not wow but gw1, after a dude i was playing and later made a guild with assumed wrongly I was a female for nothing more than the alt I was playing at the time, i leaned pretty hard into it due to such a moronic level of assumption and because he instantly talked about buying me shit, me being dirt poor myself despite surroundings. he bought me upgrades of the first two installments and the final two(upgraded editions of course) and all kinds of other shit in game, sent me a few $50+ fast food/gas station gift cards and random cash. I had to sext with him in game like every two weeks, purely in game, never got in a voice chat. I'd cope by furiously jerking off to porn afterwards then going to fill my tank up and getting 5 wendy's $1 chicken sandwiches for free.
Kicked some kid from the raid group a minute before we killed heroic Archimonde for AoTC and the Moose mount the night before it sunsetted (legion pre patch) and listened to him scream and cry on teamspeak
back in wrath, I played a tauren balance druid on moon guard and I would constantly attack goldshire. it was basically where i spent all my time when I was bored and wanted something to do. I’d go cat form to stealth and then climb my way up onto the inn or forge roof, then kill quest npcs that could be one-shot and attack any flagged players. if anyone tried to chase me up onto the roof, I’d just typhoon them off
The very first time I turned on the game I made a female night elf and AFK'd in the starting area. AFKing makes your character automatically sit, and female night elves do a kind of sitting on their knees position where their pelvis is slightly above the ground.
I came back to find some guy laying under my character. He wrote a /me emote where he pretended to eat her out.
I was so grossed out I deleted the character. It had been tainted.
I once requested a TP to dalaran for 100 g in trade chat. When a female mage showed up and I said "do it bawd", """she""" refused because of my attitude so I took the boat to Northrend instead.
The hot chick from my memories was my friend's girlfriend who joined in TBC as a bloodelf female.
It was so cool cuz he used to wear Full Tier 2 back in the day, so in my mind Tier 2 = Giga Chad.
>in Vanilla there was a sexy voiced guild member
Biggest trap there is. I agreed to a blind date way back simply because of that and that girl was uglier than homemade sin. When I played XIV there was a chick that had the fc leader wrapped around her finger, constantly made the weirdest drama. One of the other officers went snooping and found pics of her and that woman clearly never learned about the hot/insanity rankings. Had no business sounding like she did but I can see how paid phone sex came to be with those insights.
Yeah same. Had the biggest crush on this priest in my guild. Gave her gifts and told her I was into her and everything.
Then I meet her in person and she's like 250 pounds.
>played with a cute girl i never met for a year >we got on teamspeak for first time >i spill spaghetti and sperge out in front of her guild >never talk to her again
in TBC someone stole my guild's sunwell raid instance while we were working on m'uru, and sat inside it with a bunch of random characters so we couldn't zone in with our full raid. I called him a Black person and got a 3 day ban, after I came back my raid team was dead since a few core raiders transferred to another guild. so I guess he succeeded in griefing us.
Magical. Going from 2005 videogames to areas with no walls or barriers was unbelievable. Eventually going from a warrior to a warlock was even more incredible. It nice to finally have quick kills and not pay a fortune in repairing armor.
I played horde because I made an undead priest who looked brutal af and I was playing with 2 friends who also picked undead (warlock and rogue). It was fun adventuring and doing stuff together, even waiting in front of dungeons for a tank to join was simple enough. Farming the same dungeon over and over so everyone including the random gets item they wanted/needed and adding them to friendlist if they were based. I miss this kind of gameplay but it's impossible to recreate it since back then we spent at least 8 hours gaming, now I can't even game for 4 unless it's weekend. Currently only one of us 3 still plays wow (rogue). I quit in Wrath and tried to restart at BFA but it wasn't the same and the warlock friend deleted battle.net at shadowlands and went to play ff14...
I kept with touch with some of the randoms who got me into Star Wars: Old Republic before it went f2p but now they either stopped playing mmos or went to ff14. I'm giving the trial a try but it's not the same since it's mostly a solo game because of that MSQ. The roque player won't play anything else if it's not wow and it's been a year since he started streaming on twitch...
At least there are other games like Forest, Valheim of Phasmophobia that we group up and play on Friday nights.
Wrong, it was BC. You could see how they were starting to cater to convince, even back then with queuing for BGs and Arena. It was all down hill. Also, in Wrath they turned Arthas into fricking Doctor Claw from Inspector Gadget.
That whole xpac seemed underwhelming and not nearly as good as it could have been.
this.
I would say it was a gradual decline though. Vanilla was peak imo, and BC did introduce some cool things. But BC also broke the overall balance of the game.
Patch 3.2 for people with keen awareness, Patch 3.3.0 for people who had been with WoW since the Warcraft days, or Patch 3.3.5 for the average person who wasn't suffering from sunken cost. There may be people who say that it never had soul because of what it did to undead and night elves, and there may be people who say it lost its soul in TBC because of blood elves, draenei, and flying, but the hard objective truth that the tail-end of Wrath is where it all disappeared.
I've set up my own solo server, and Wrath is full of tremendous amounts of soul up until the Argent Tournament, the Fall of the Lich King, and Ruby Sanctum. There were absolutely signs of soullessness in the Nerubian sections that were gutted because of time crunch. Everything that WoW finished, however, is sehr elegant.
I can understand not liking the Naxx repeat if you did it back in vanilla but almost nobody did. The leveling experience was top notch and Ulduar was fantastic.
I wonder how Classic players must have felt going from Vanilla Naxx, which was actually a decent challenge, to Wrath Naxx, which was a complete cakewalk even back in the day.
As someone whose 40 man raid couldn't get passed 4 horseman before BC came out, it was annoying to play eatered down content from two xpacs ago, tbh. By wrath, tho, I was already burned out from wow and only played with friends and did casual arena/bgs
And people STILL sucked at ait. I remember dying on Heigan because I ran too fast, because in the original you couldn't stop running at all or you'd die. I'm not sure how people were constantly dying on those fights.
no, and you wrath babies need to grow the frick up and realize that people do not agree with you instead of this pathetic constant fricking bargaining
wrath was shit, the only people to stick around were the morons so hooked on it they're still playing, or the casuals who just joined, the "bring the player, not the class" crowd
Even playing on retail if you just go to Northrend there's a sudden soul overload. It's so much higher quality than everything that came after it, save maybe for specific parts of Pandaria or Broken Isles.
The music in particular is fricking phenomenal. The "calm" Wintergrasp music still blows me away.
People with keen awareness knew the end was nigh when Naxx came out as a rehashed raid for the first tier in WoTLK.
In hind-sight, it's apparent that the people who made Vanilla WoW pre-launch were a different group than those who developed the game post-launch and beyond. Around half the team had quit/were laid off prior to Vanilla's launch and it shows with the shift in direction due to the remaining people being Everquest junkies and bringing that slop over.
It was on a decline, but there were still some cool things to appreciate up until legion despite the endless raidslop. Suramar and Pandaria were both really well done.
Why did they quit / laid off prior to vanilla launch? You'd think blizzard could afford the to pay the people who made the game that made blizzard billions.
Fun.
If you had history with Warcraft, and liked RPGs, it was even better.
The graphical limitations, and design around those limitations, made the world really feel like a world. I also discovered ERP and regularly fricked nelf girls (Who, in hindsight, were most likely guys pretending to be girls).
Mid-Late Wrath. >But Wrath was the best!
Yeah and the game became too mainstream. Excessive cross-pollination with other media (commercials, tv, movies) drew in every casual and weekend warrior, who would later drive the design down the tubes.
Cata was mostly good, although the world-shifting became fricking annoying, but Dragon Soul drove the knife in.
It's a shame because Mists was a return to form in many ways, but it was too late.
>I also discovered ERP and regularly fricked nelf girls (Who, in hindsight, were most likely guys pretending to be girls)
Funny enough back when I raided in TBC and Wrath, most of the night elf girls were actually female players. The guys playing females would either be humans or gnomes and it was far less common than dudes just playing human male or night elf male.
The game was also so popular and had such a strong social element that it wasn't uncommon at all to be playing with actual women. The same is still true for other games in the genre, though the women are probably much older now than in the past.
I knew for sure at least two of the female characters were real women. I stopped erping with one when she posted a pic on a forum and she was quite large
I was a shallow teen, sorry
I remember 13 year-old me getting into ERP sessions with full-blown women. Typing classes and English courses that encouraged the use of synonyms to expand vocabulary, not to mention my dad's "hidden" porn stash, made me an ERP expert. >Let me show you why they call it the WAILING Caverns...!"
YUP
Thank you English class.
My sessions were either in Moonglade (thanks Lunar Festival) or on the scenic cliffs around Teldrassil. There were several spots with waterfalls, meadow-y areas, the works
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My dad tells me that he took a typing class to meet girls, because back in his day, only women were expected to know how to type for clerical work. I'm glad I took his advice to get a similar result! My hotspots were low-level dungeons where I could Consecrate clear most enemies to get some legitimate privacy. Wailing Caverns, as mentioned, but also kinky shit in the clean ward in Gnomeregan ("show these other gnomes what a real wiener looks like!") and in the Stockade ("can you believe they arrested a sweet girl like me?"). Out of dungeons, it was always trying to find safe, secluded inns that had low-traffic, just in case. Though I do remember one time on a rogue alt, a "girl" (maybe it actually was female) who was a cat druid snuck into Orgrimmar with me to ERP while in stealth, hoping that we wouldn't get caught while doing it.
Damn, I'm gonna need to rub one out remembering this.
@635298670
WoW's content used to be largely player-made. Then that half-israelite Tigole fricking ruined everything like the smarmy kikodile that he is.
Also, another thing:
I was a kid playing WoW; just a year short of high school when it came out.
There was a big sense of adventure and exploration. >I was always trying to climb big hills and mountains to see if there was anything cool. >Flying over high level zones and seeing the skull icons, even being chased by them as a lowbie trying to get to a cap city to get weapon skills. >I played a few Nelves and made "the run" to Stormwind a few times. >I also kept the game's music on for a long time, stopped halfway through Wrath and substituted with my own shitty music. >The game became lass of a world and more of a chore interlude between Roleplaying (not even erp) sessions with other players
Barrens, Teldrassil, Mulgore had the best soundtracks
Vanilla Stonetalon Mountains remains one of my favorite zones. Claustrophobic, maze-like, with the pollution and threat of industry and the errant villainy Troll witchdoctors
When they settled on the "4-5 new leveling zones, 6-8 new dungeons that take 30 minutes and are designed to be repeated endlessly, three new 20 man raids with gear resets each tier, then leave all that shit behind for the next xpac" format that they've followed ever since. It took the world part out of wow.
Whichever patch in wotlk introduced cross realm dungeon finder. The game wasn't ruined by it, but it incentivized the shittiest of players within the community to normalize their behavior. By cata you basically didn't give a shit who was in your group or how you treated them.
BC sent things into a downward spiral with casualization. Wrath was still good but cutting out the need for land travel in BC really destroyed the sense of scope, sociability and adventure.
I viewed Wrath as the death of the game I used to know. The dungeons were so stupid. That said, the Arthas cinematic was the last time we had good lore in WoW.
expansions just gutted the fricking game, instead of adding to vanilla and making it more robust with more reason to do things in the world (like OSRS) they just abandon it and develop new content around a new world, which is then invalidated the next xpac, and the problem just gets worse and worse the more xpacs they added
It's gotten so bad they've done multiple stat squishes and now a level squish to make the leveling process less moronic. And there's still no reason to do anything that's not current content.
yea its so stupid, say what you will about OSRS but the entire world is relevant, just like how vanilla used to be before blizzard took the expansion pill
its really a shame they never did classic+, and then doubled down on the xpac model even for classic serves, lmao... look where that has led them, same problem
Classic and then expansions was a low effort cashgrab. Expecting them to go the OSRS route is expecting a lot, as that would require actual manhours and work.
It's a shame, but that's how it goes.
Also keep in mind that OSRS was up in its 2007 state unchanged for over a year until they started playing with the idea of doing new updates, and I think it only happened because it proved to be by far the more popular version of the game.
The community can't agree on what they even want for Classic, and TBC and Wrath were really easy nostalgia bait. Unfortunately signs are pointing in them doing Cata Classic next, albeit with heavy changes going by their new survey.
wow i had no idea they were thinking of doing cata, jesus they are really milking the cow
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Yeah, Ion when asked about it basically alluded to Cata next being the plan. Their new survey is very long and implies heavy changes to Cata though, similar to how Wrath Classic doesn't have dungeon finder even though Wrath is the expansion that introduced it.
That approach might be better but it's still flawed in my opinion. MMOs will always get bloated like that and there's nothing you can do. I think the best solution is to do what Rust did and make a fun game that resets every couple months/years.
It's not perfect and OSRS/RS3 still have a lot of content that ends up obsolete because there's just a best way to do certain things, but it's a hell of a lot better than WoW's system of 90% of the game being utterly pointless and a waste of your time.
Even XIV's system is much better, and the only real difference from WoW is that you are forced to go through all the content. You can't skip ahead.
End of Wrath is when the best of WoW died. It stayed good until WoD. Only people that never played MoP think it was bad, it was better then Cata and was probably when the game felt the best balance wise.
Lots of reasons how WoW lose its soul, and later sold its soul to wokeism.
And from my experience, players are toxic buttholes (Examples: Bartlelock-Runetotem, Deathclaws-Alleria), even in "raiding guilds" that you have to fill in applications.just to join. Even if you know what to do and you haven't done it yet, they won't let you join. And if you're late or busy with other important things, they'll kick you out and treat you like shit.
And the raiding difficulty keeps getting harder and harder, and they won't let you join if you haven't done it yet. It's such a joke.
>Even if you know what to do and you haven't done it yet, they won't let you join
i remember this being the funniest shit in wotlk
people start playing the game, hit 80, trying to raid and cant, cause they have no achieves from said raids
When Raids took over and the difference between raid and none raid gear kept getting worse and worse Imagine paying to play a game that caters to poopsockers who get great loot while you get frick all. I quit because of it.
Wrath >cheevos >gear homogenization, leading to gearscore and "skip to the latest tier" design >game difficulty drastically lowered outside of a couple of raid encounters >pop culture reference humor sent into overdrive >le epic vehicles 00s meme feature which completely sucked
Wrath killed WoW, there is no debate. Cata tried to walk back a lot of Wrath's garbage but the Wrathbabies screamed too loud so Blizzard gave in.
Was 18, freshman year of college and everyone on the dorm floor was playing. No one knew shit about shit, grinding mobs for leather because we didn't know a better way. Adventure. Discovery. Mystery. It was great. One of the best MMO experiences of all time.
So this experience is not typical, and I understand that.
Remember, that World of Warcraft was a full priced PC game at the time, and you used the disc to install and play.
I loved the Warcraft games. Ever since picking up an old copy of Warcraft 2 for 10 bucks at Walmart I was hooked. Loved Warcraft 3 when it came out, and it's expansion as well. Of course I pre-ordered World of Warcraft.
So I pay the $50, and this game has a monthly sub (so it better be frickin good!). The included 14 free days, however, only took effect if you had a credit card. I did not, I was still a young teen. So that's another $30 for the fricking 2 month game card because they sell no other denomination, now we are at 80 + tax + tip, so more like $90.
I start the game, and it's boring as frick. I knew it wasn't going to be an RTS game, but I expected something faster. I kept attributing it to "picking the wrong class", so I got a few leveled up to 25.
I uninstalled that shit ass game in a week. $90 fricking dollars down the drain.
how old were you when you started? I ask because what you're describing is how I've felt about every MMORPG I've ever played as an adult, all of them are so shallow.
the exciting part of the game is PvP. PvE is only exciting when some idiot in your dungeon group pulls too many mobs or you are trying to solo an elite mob using a 30 minute cooldown and dont want to fail and wait another 30 mins.
If you played on a pve server and thought the game was too boring and cost you 90$ you deserved to lose the money
That is the core problem. Back then, nearly everyone loved interacting with other players, just sitting around a campfire, emoting, talking, and the game incentivized that through overworld stuff that was very hard alone. Now, it's a sinple player game in which there are other players. Completely different mindset. It went from "Awesome, I can play with others!" to "Oh no, I have to play with others!". That is a mentality that will never come back.
everybody already has there little discord friend group now and doesn't want to meet anybody new, much like real life these days people are stuck in their click and don't want to meet anybody new
glorious
god I miss those days
every single quest completed felt good, every dungeon, every new person you met, if I played the exact same game right now it would probably feel way worse but back then, man
good times
Like having a proper adventure in a strange and wonderful land filled with danger and intrigue. Everything was new, unexplored, being discovered and figured out in real time. There was nothing else like it, and I don't think there will ever be anything like it ever again.
I ran around investigating every nook and cranny. The size and scope of that game was insane back in those days. I ended up making a new character for every race and playing to 20 because I wanted to experience their starting zones.
It was so revolutionary for its time that it had an unintended detrimental effect on people irl lives.
It wasn't uncommon to hear about students playing 24/7 and the occasional college dropout.
On the other hand, no game has given me the memories WoW gave me.
I didn't drop out of school because of WoW specifically but it definitely contributed. Throughout my teenage years I definitely spent more time than healthy playing that game. It was my main source of entertainment from age 16 to age 20. I haven't been in a raiding guild since 2008 and done any content harder than Mists challenge dungeons in years, but I still come back for every new patch. Shadowlands is the only time in the game's entire life I've been away from it for over a year. And before you ask, yes I'm playing Dragonflight. It's unironically good, despite everything.
How could it kill a game that was already dead? Shadowlands drove everyone away, finally pushed people to seek out alternatives, and they didn't come back for DF. DF's engagement is the lowest in the game's history.
I don't have any hard proof but the cinematic trailer took months to get to two million views. No one is streaming DF anymore and Youtube content about the game has been getting fewer and fewer views.
People just aren't interested anymore.
How could it kill a game that was already dead? Shadowlands drove everyone away, finally pushed people to seek out alternatives, and they didn't come back for DF. DF's engagement is the lowest in the game's history.
I'm glad you still play brosef.
As for me, I tried but life got in the way haha. Too busy these days. I do try to play the first month of every new expansion.
>be druid >put your herbalism skills to the test to cure poisoned animals >talk to ancient spirits to glean their wisdom >travel the world to become harmonious with nature
>be hunter >learn how to tame a best friend >getting the Rhok meant you were a legitimate threat and not being carried
>be mage >get your wand, robes, and staff >investigate sites of busted magic across the world, like in Uldaman and Azshara
>be paladin >give to the poor, rescue the fallen, purge evil >get sent to the front in Plaguelands to smite evil and also go to Dire Maul to prove yourself
>be priest >help those in need of healing, learn what your faith means, purge demons in Sunken Temple >your ultimate test is to save those who couldn't possibly be saved in the Plaguelands
>be rogue >join your faction's secret society >eventually get inducted into an even more secret society >get sent on an assassination mission only the best can accomplish
>be shaman >go across the globe getting stoned off your ass to talk to spirits and get their powers >turns out learning this power would lead into Scholomance for a purge even paladins can't do
>be warlock >be forced to learn your magic away from polite society >Alliance members even need to travel across the world just to find someone to teach them >ends with making numerous pacts with demons for mounts and conjuring meteors >you're even expected to survive in the Blasted Lands, which is teeming with demons
>be warrior >be weak, be humble >quests constantly encourage you to party up to complete them >by level 30 you've become a monster; by level 60, you've become a god
Classes were way imba, there were a LOT of little things to exploit, IE >warriors had no charges on retaliation, or sweeping strikes, and both could stack with each other. >also no animation so when you pop retaliation rogues warning that you used it was 90% of their HP bar disappearing.
Also many imba item mechanics >items that did spell damage scaled with spell power, often at 1:1. cloak that did ifre damage when you got hit? stack +fire damage to do 100 fire damage to attacker everything he hits you
Also people didnt know how to play. there were many casuals playing, many little kids >make your own key bindings and you are in top percentile of PvP players >many people used wasd to turn their character and they were easy kills >many people didnt even read their abilities or know how to use them effectively
People also didnt really care about getting to 60 very much. People enjoyed playing at the lower levels. you log on friday at lvl 28 and play all night and all saturaday, and all sunday, and you get 1 level and felt like it was a weekend well spent because 90% of the time was running around with your guild fighting in enemy territory, working on professions so you could yuse bombs on enemy faction member, hiding at side of road to ambush enemy.
There were low level PvP squads runnign up and down the roads to gnak people questing, or to fight enemy faction pvp squads. it was common for groups of lvl 20-30s to fight each other outside ashenvale towns. When you heard there was pvp you went to help. Sometimes a mega nerd who was 60 would come to help too. There would be fights with 10 lvl 20s vs 10 lvl 20s with each side also have 2-3 people lvl 50+.
It was almost like a mini version of hillsbrad but in every contested zone.
basically this, the servers were populated with a good bit of casual and competitive players but servers were generally stacked at all times and there was constant gank squads particularly in Stranglethorn Vale
I only ever got to 50 when I originally played the game but I never really gave a frick and just did what anon said also
>Classic launches >It's a moronic mad dash to get to max level and start raiding >The gear grind is literally all that matters to people, and most of them end up consuming all the content as fast as possible and quitting >Fast forward to a couple months ago >Some moronic "HC Challenge" is making waves and forcing people to play the game slowly and methodically >People discovering the game is much more fun and meaningful when you engage with the outdoor content rather than just blow through it or spam dungeons
Wish people could have woke up to this years ago before Blizzard decided to make the whole game about raiding.
"Okay see this place called Booty Bay?" >yeah
"All the way at the bottom of the map?" >yeah
"And you see Stratholme all the way up here?" >yeah
"Up in the Plaguelands like at the end of WC3?" >yeah
"You can walk all the way there with no loading screens." >
@635299124
Damn you caught me, I played a game for thousands of hours that had no content with millions of other people, and had a great time. Just like when my friends and I would build robots using a box of Legos, rather than what a manchild does with Lego schematics.
>have an entire world you could do literally anything in >focus everything on instanced content that becomes a dead mall when the next patch comes out
MMOs are the biggest waste of potential
that was only WoW and WoW-likes
this was never an issue in any MMO that wasn't trying to be WoW
even then, it wasn't an issue in WoW until TBC, Shittrath and all end game hubs like it were fricking abysmal
my mom was happy she didnt had to worry about me on the streets since I was home and occupied 24/7. Somehow I still managed to finish school and my apprenticeship
Started playing in the beta and it was so good at the time that it dragged me away from my other best gaming experience, Planetside. Truly a golden age for my gaming career.
I think a true sense of wonder is the best way I can describe the first WoW experience. I remember the exact moment I realized Teldrassil was a giant frickin tree (I was a lorelet)... doing the rogue class quest to pick pocket from the satyr that patrols on one of the branches. I realized my footsteps sounded like I was on wood, so I looked down and saw the entire world that I had played on for like 3 days was a giant tree. My brain exploded and I was hooked.
>ywn ritual of doom in northshire ever again >ywn inferno a rabbit in goldshire ever again >ywn fear a mob someone is attacking into a pack of mobs as you're running by ever again >ywn curse of recklessness a mob someone is dangerously close to beating ever again >ywn charge exorbitant amounts of money to teleport summon or soulstone ever again
Actually what hurts me the most is knowing that warlock is perfect for Blackfathom Deeps, and feeling legitimately important in that dungeon from something as minor as sharing underwater breathing and using soulstone when the mob waves from lighting the torches inevitably results in a wipe is something I will always cherish.
Back in the days of bad internet connections, there was a longer delay for the first wave to spawn when the torches lit. That meant that most players didn't know that one wave equals one torch. Most players think that all of the waves spawned on top of each other from just lighting only a single torch due to "bad coding". That's why they light all at once and expect either a soulstone rez, or a vanishing rogue to use jumper cables.
i remember playing hardcore turtle wow with a dungeon group of russians and I pulled all the torches to wipe them intentionally, killing their lvl 30 HC characters
im that guy that says to light all the torches asap when i see someone run towards them, then say "dont look at me" when team freaks out if the mad lad actually does it.
Me and some Alliance friends bought Hillsbrad Foothills farmer clothes off the Neutal AH, and we (level 60s) would walk (actually walking) up and down the road and around the area of Hillsbrad Foothills (where alliance friendly NPCs were, for level 20ish horde to kill). We had pitchforks, blue overalls and the farmer hats (all which dropped off those ally friendly mobs), so we blended in.
When a horde came by, we'd charge/quickly kill the hode guy, then run back to where he "aggrod" us and continue on our walk, like NPCs. Pissed off tons of players doing that, but it sure was fun. Thats when wow was fun.
That and going on an RP server with 3 buddies. All black except for a white guy with the foppish hairstyle, and he'd stand on a box outside goldhsire inn and attempt to "sell" us to people. The RPers or GM didn't think it wad funny, but we were role-playing. What? There's no slavery in the world of warcraft?
Terrible precisely because of the pic you posted in the OP. A night elf female on the front and center of the front cover of the Human Alliance box cover art of the World of Warcraft game? It was obvious from the start that this game would not be a faithful continuation of Warcraft 3 and that compromises would be made at the drop of a hat for the sake of convenience. In fact it was this decision that ultimately resulted in the Alliance being a homosexual faction full off shitters that can't win a single race for world first because nobody with any gamesense would play as the female faction represented by fricking night elves.
I had a shit PC at the time and didn't really try it until a friend convinced me.
Used to go to Dragon Alley when it was still an RPG games shop and they had computers for online gaming. One of the players were playing WoW, raiding Molten Core. And seeing how you could do stuff with so many players at once was groundbreaking for me.
First time I played it I got bored at lvl 30 and quit.
I was a bit disappointed that it deviated so much from Warcraft 3 or there was so much Warcraft 3 stuff that was missing (they made the Devs play wc1 and 2 but not 3 before designing this). I tried again 3 months later and got hooked.
I know it's useless to complain about it, but people trying to do a fake Ironman thing in Vanilla with their "hardcore challenge" makes me wish the game was actually designed like Runescape, in that you are forced to do old content in order to get to new content, and that 'endgame' takes a very long time to get to.
The Classic WoW community is hilarious in how much they misunderstood the point of Vanilla and actively managed to make it unironically worse than Retail
>how much they misunderstood the point of Vanilla
blame oldgays for this
"HURR CLASSIC WAS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE LE HARDCORE WOW DURR"
so newbies decided to play it as a game that they need to 'beat' to prove something
remember, any Anon who complains "classic WoW was better" is just a homosexual too weak to play EverQuest. If they cared about a REAL mmorpg they would have been playing a REAL mmorpg.
Arguing about different versions of WoW is like arguing about the best athlete in the Special Olympics.
>The Classic WoW community
they were pretty much all guys who never played actual classic vanilla and just played nostalrius. I sometimes think im the only one who actually played back in 2005, then played private servers up until nost.
I was watching them talk about how classic wow would run (on 1.12 patch) and how the progression schedule would work and it was sad to me because i knew it woudlnt really capture what vanilla actually was and just be a walmart tier nost.
The only silver lining was the latency they added to be more like 2005 internet let me do old tricks with my class you couldnt do on priavte servers, but thye removed that too.
and you couldn't even bring it back with a new game because people will always read the wiki before even starting to play, minmax everything and only play for endgame
always hate shitters like this
you can just tell its some homosexual ret pally seething because he couldnt find a guild willing to carry his autoattacking ass and hand him bis gear >NOOOOO THE GAME IS LE EASY SO YOU HAVE TO LET ME LEECH NO I WONT JOIN A GUILD WITH OTHER SHITTER RET PALLIES BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER EVEN KILL LUCI STOP ASKING AAAA
Yeah fricking shitters shitting up my Alliance with their shit. I think we should take all ret paladins and put them in trash compactors and squeeze all the shit out of them, they're so full of shit we can kill them all all of them dead and destroyed and squished into shitstains which we can use to fertilize crops so that actual human beings chads warrior dps damage attack destroyer world first Alliance raider alpha males can have more snacks to eat for their gamer fuel victory against the Horde in the world first race on World of Warcraft classic vanilla.
>victory against the Horde
horde 'winning' in wpvp in TBCC was the funniest shit ever >camp allys everywhere >allys reroll, transfer or leave the game >no allys - no BGs >"RRREEEE BLIZZ FIX THIS"
Loktar Ogar, moronic gay cuck bluepilled homosexuals do not belong in my world of warcraft, smash them haha piss on them at Blizzcon zug zug! Losers cant win anything not even a single world first raid race!
>What made classic suck was people rushing to endgame and viewing leveling as just an inconvenience instead of the "actual game".
It's funny how my zoomer friend did the usual b***hing and moaning about barrens leveling and reminisces about it now.
A lot of times the thing people think of as inconvenient is actually an interesting part of the game.
People who always advocate for QoL and convenience are wrong a lot of the time.
>no frick all that. What made classic suck was people rushing to endgame and viewing leveling as just an inconvenience instead of the "actual game".
literally no one forced you to do this
you could have played at your own pace just fine
why are you seething at me playing with my friends (in a multiplayer game what a shocker) and leveling by doing exclusively multiplayer content instead of the same old soloing shit all of us have already done a dozen times over in original vanilla/pservers by the time classic finally came out >and later on of course all the BS with world buffs and mandatory potions that made even the endgame an absolutely joyless chore
so don't play with those people join a boomer casual guild and enjoy your "fun" of spending 5 hours in molten core with like minded people
if you want to play in a competent environment the drawbacks of that is that there are going to be some requirements placed on you
Yes, competent people could clear Molten Core in under an hour even without world buffs.But competent people are not going to be playing without world buffs. People who don't want to get world buffs are almost to a man lazy shitter leeches who wanted to be carried. That's why they whined so much about world buffs in the first place, it was too much of an effort for them to spend like twenty minutes getting them all. One of the reasons why world buffs and consumables were a requirement was specifically to filter out the vast majority of the shitters.
Your decisions and actions impact the communal psychological and sociocultural memetic aspects of the game, which are the only advantage that vanilla WoW had in being a massive multiplayer game instead of a conventional lobby-based battle.net RPG in the first place.
>You're not allowed to play the game you want to with other people who want to play the game they want to because it hurts my feelings when others have better outcomes than me!
Sounds like a (You) problem. That's basically all it boils down, shitter seethe and jealousy. None of you people engage with the community, make friends and rivalries, you're just solo homosexuals playing it as a single player game and screaming UHHHHH THAT'S SOULFUL ACTUALLY!!! when called out. You and other shitter casual tourists can go and play on any random dead Classic Era server right now and get the exact """soulful""" experience you always wanted right now if that's what you were actually interested it instead of just whining about your betters.
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>twenty minutes >t. someone who got carried through buffs gathering with warlock summons and mage portals
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>Sounds like a (You) problem.
It's an everyone problem and you are the main part of it. An outright evil person who doesn't consider what's good for the community and blames the victims for their suffering.
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>spend like twenty minutes getting them all
Spend 20 minutes (and some gold to pay for summons) to clear raid 15 minutes faster.
Sounds moronic.
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You're moronic for thinking 5 minutes isn't worth it to get all these fricking shitters out of my game. Shitters belong in the shitter getting shat on for being shit.
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So you're doing something inefficient just to prove that by doing something inefficient you're better than people who are not doing something inefficient?
You're basically spend MORE time and MORE money for the same outcome and somehow you are better?
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I wouldn't expect a shitter casual jealous seether looser to understand the sheer value of GAMING.
Your decisions and actions impact the communal psychological and sociocultural memetic aspects of the game, which are the only advantage that vanilla WoW had in being a massive multiplayer game instead of a conventional lobby-based battle.net RPG in the first place.
World buffs and consumes weren't even really that needed until maybe AQ. Back in vanilla people didn't really care if they couldn't do all the content, but nowadays people want to actually do all the bosses, which if you want to do it you need to actually prepare for it. It wasn't much different than vanilla there was just more people willing to do the work. Honestly Classic was really fun, there was so much server drama and organization for managing world buffs that it had a different type or world feel. There were lots of people that just everyone on the server knew because you can share stories so much faster. Boosting meta was probably the worst part of classic, but I mean unfortunately there are lots of people that just don't have the attention span for levelling.
It wasn't perfect but it was still a really special time. It felt like a ton of people were just genuinely very excited to play the game again and were united by a shared love of this old game. I wish I had played more of it.
Never played vanilla back in the days, joined back in cata, played classic later, it was everything i wanted from wow. You guys had it good back in the days. I loved the first 40 levels, shit was fun doing random dungeons for no reason like uldaman.
>boosting to 60 >GDKP >chinese bots >zergfest "wpvp" >worldbuffs meta >six gorillions megaservers
nost ruined classic wow and every vanilla pserver that came after it
nost actually started this shit on a large scale
slightly before closing levelcap locations on nost were completely unplayable - every spawn was camped by someone
sure it was an overpopulated megaserver, even if classic would be like that anyway. but there was no gdkp shit and it wasnt really worth it boosting because dungeon xp is different
It was harder to do all the content back then, what little there was. Even as a teenager who was not very social it was still too much to do and I only hit max level once. World PVP was still a thing, city raids were a thing, BGs were actually fun and not always completely one sided, especially if you twinked out, no fricking level scaling.
If I was not spoiled by QoL improvements such as transmogs and dungeon finder (no, I am not begging randos to run dungeons) I would stick to classic WoW.
There was never really a rush to do anything. I would often go on just because i felt like doing a dungeon and i didn't even know what dropped in the dungeon and it would take multiple hours sometimes. Or just hopping in pvp with pve gear and just having fun because most others had no idea how good stam was for pvp which made it not impossible to kill others. It was more of just having fun with the social experience and the world rather than trying to explicitly get some objective from every play session.
It was incredible, I wish I could go back to that eras internet culture
Even modern games would be fun in that era. It really was all about the people. Easier access to the internet was a mistake
Not gonna lie, free will is a greatly overrated concept.
If I had a mind control machine I would just turn everyone into 2005-era gamers and leave it on permanent loop. Everyone would be happier, especially me, but also everyone else too.
It was the greatest thing ever for about a year or so then it really started to suck, but it was only good if you had neet friends as well to play it with
>play till 2 am every night >wake up at 6 and play before school
A crippling addiction and escapism so I could forget about my terrible home life. I should play classic.
Are you moronic? There are non-combative roles in every military. My dads a fricking mechanic. Your so fricking laughably stupid and obviously stood way too long on the internet. Go outside, see your friends and your family. Stop living in your bedroom you fricking baffoon breaking into a sperg out over nothing. No wonder nobody talks to you, loser.
I think it would be cool if there were servers where if you killed someone in world pvp you got to loot all their gear, imagine stealing someones thunderfury
Had a weird experience in retrospect, playing on a low pop US server during Asian/Aussie hours, before Oceanic servers were a thing. The raid scene was nearly dead, until the server somehow became the home to a small clique of non-farmer Chinese players. They were very skilled and pretty much carried our dead-hours guilds(plural) that can barely fill 30 players for 40m raids.
However, since they were playing illegally through VPNs, their accounts would keep getting banned, then they'll make new accounts and carry each other to level 60 with MC-capable gear within a week. It was impressive but it also stunted our overall gear progression.
Eventually the frequency of bans caught up so they stopped and left. The (merged) guild eventually disbanded after being stuck months on Vael like many others.
Like magic can't compare it to anything ever you didn't play launch vanilla and classic (that was second chance you had) You pretty much missed out on the best gaming experience ever.
If you weren't playing WOW during it's initial release it's like you were missing out on something. You could literally speak to anyone and they'd know about it, or have heard about it. It was such an insane experience that even before it released I did huge overtime at my first job just to buy my first actual gaming PC. I ended up quitting work and going to College/Uni doing a degree in Web Design just so I could skip classes to play WOW. My attendance must have been something stupid like 60% and I still came out with my Degree in Computing and Web Design to which I used a few times freelance for some local companies. Never used that degree ever since, and now I'm a self-employed Mortgage broker that wants to go back in time.
Fricking magical. Playing WoW early on was such an intensely addicting experience and the design of it brought up emotions I didn't even know I was capable of feeling. I'm convinced they held some kind of dark ritual over this game before they released it. Wish I had never touched it but to this day nothing has ever come close to what WoW did to me. I still can't listen to the old music without wanting to resub even though I know it's hyper trash now
Unlike anything else
Tapped into the innate desire of man to explore new lands and adventure, something completely missing from our modern lives
The execution really elevated it
no loading screens = immersed
men just want to climb
I get nostalgia while things are happening. I remember questing in TBC thinking "Wow! Nothing will ever top the experience I've had with this game. My future is gonna be lame"
How do I shaman?
Does it really boils down to pull with flame shock, recast lightning shield and pray for windfury?
I played enh a bit in TBC and wrath but vanilla looks boring
think it was faster to grind in elemental. put up interrupt-resist and mana regen totems, flame shock pull everything then let enemies die from dot, chain lightning and lightning shield. you could keep it up infinitely.
it was magical, soulfull and the best gaming experience ever
me and my college friends would just skip class and play it all day and night, that was our routine for 2 years
yes a waste of life i guess, but the same time just awesome. everything was new and epic feeling. and we would talk about it for hours.
god damn i miss those years
>calls it a waste of life >recalls literal years of spending time with his friends in a shared beloved activity and has many treasured memories from it
The waste of life you probably have now is slaving away at some shitty dead end job.
Accurate. Maybe spending hours with buddies trying to jump up AQ40 boxes in Ironforge to get onto buildings wasn't the most profitable use of my time but man..it was fun just chilling with people who were all on the same, enthusiastic page.
>play Vanilla WoW for a few good months >start having connection issues preventing me from playing >have to phone them to find out why >turns out there was a long list of inter routers that were no longer compatible for the game >they didn't even bother to make this known to people >have to buy a new router to play the game again
>had similar issues >had to scour forums for similar issues and suggested solutions >eventually found one on some very regional forum that my ISP had to implement >somehow it all worked out in the end
As much as the old internet and old games were better, the tech issues because of hardware and/or ISP shit was so much more arcane and impossible to figure out sometimes
Vanilla WoW's class quests were peak MMO gameplay and you cannot convince me otherwise. >every quest chain takes you around the world, so you can see everything the game has >every quest makes use of your class-specific skills >every reward was top-tier so you were incentivized to do it, which in turn forged a strong relationship between other people of the same class (every warrior knows how it feels to get the WW axe, every hunter knows the pain of getting the bow, every mage knows how it feels to be gay, etc.)
Legion had a smattering of that, but the fact that several classes overlapped kinda spoiled it.
Extremelle level of pure distilled soul. But it's also the first always-online video game that became a pop phenomenom outside the gaming comunity, and together with the first social medias of the mid 00s started the ruin of the internet by making it accesible to normies.
I mean it was one of the earliest game with WOMEN, and i mean real life WOMEN playing it, something that was extremelly rare on the internet back then. When women consider something socially acceptable enough to join it, it's downfall soon come.
chad
Like never knowing what it's like to be touched by a woman
holy frick
I dunno I got Guild Wars instead.
based. All wowplayers were virgins and never left the house while guild wars players had enough free time to enjoy life.
That was such a perfect time for mmo pvp. The guild pvp in gw1 with tons of devs at the top in their own game and then you could go be a absolute degenerate to others in wow's open world.
not wow but gw1, after a dude i was playing and later made a guild with assumed wrongly I was a female for nothing more than the alt I was playing at the time, i leaned pretty hard into it due to such a moronic level of assumption and because he instantly talked about buying me shit, me being dirt poor myself despite surroundings. he bought me upgrades of the first two installments and the final two(upgraded editions of course) and all kinds of other shit in game, sent me a few $50+ fast food/gas station gift cards and random cash. I had to sext with him in game like every two weeks, purely in game, never got in a voice chat. I'd cope by furiously jerking off to porn afterwards then going to fill my tank up and getting 5 wendy's $1 chicken sandwiches for free.
Better than sex. Not even kidding btw.
12 year old me thought it was fricking cool being a dwarf hunter
what is the most "incel" thing you ever did in WoW?
I harassed every female elf I've encountered (most of them turned out to be gays)
my dad played a female dark ranger called winter.
wutahomosexual.mkv
i assume that's pretty recent since that hasn't even been out for a year
idk what it was it was a dark elf and was around cataclysm came out. I just googled dark elf female and that class came up. i dont play wow.
probably a night elf
i spit on mailbox dancers instead of tipping them.
Kicked some kid from the raid group a minute before we killed heroic Archimonde for AoTC and the Moose mount the night before it sunsetted (legion pre patch) and listened to him scream and cry on teamspeak
What'd he do to warrant it?
I had a girl hitting on me because she thought my voice was sexy and I completely brushed it off.
that sounds more chad than incel
Except I did it in a really incelly way
>"anon, I got really turned on when you said my healing was good just now"
>"h-haha, thanks"
back in wrath, I played a tauren balance druid on moon guard and I would constantly attack goldshire. it was basically where i spent all my time when I was bored and wanted something to do. I’d go cat form to stealth and then climb my way up onto the inn or forge roof, then kill quest npcs that could be one-shot and attack any flagged players. if anyone tried to chase me up onto the roof, I’d just typhoon them off
fricking based tauren bull brother
frick those gold shire freaks
>plays tauren
>calls others freaks
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The very first time I turned on the game I made a female night elf and AFK'd in the starting area. AFKing makes your character automatically sit, and female night elves do a kind of sitting on their knees position where their pelvis is slightly above the ground.
I came back to find some guy laying under my character. He wrote a /me emote where he pretended to eat her out.
I was so grossed out I deleted the character. It had been tainted.
The only people who use that word are "incels" themselves or feminist women
Incel wasn't a thing back then so i don't know.
I once requested a TP to dalaran for 100 g in trade chat. When a female mage showed up and I said "do it bawd", """she""" refused because of my attitude so I took the boat to Northrend instead.
My first character was a human male paladin.
in Vanilla there was a sexy voiced guild member, she had everyone on her leash.
I fapped to her ugly troll model thinking about her once.
Then finally her MySpace leaked, and she turned out to be a big ass land whale.
Hilarious in hindsight.
I think every casual guild had this story lol
same
in my giuld the girl with the sexy voice was a hambeast. she sent her pics to my friend and he showed me.
i guess i was lucky that ours was a hot military chick that use to raid with us.
The hot chick from my memories was my friend's girlfriend who joined in TBC as a bloodelf female.
It was so cool cuz he used to wear Full Tier 2 back in the day, so in my mind Tier 2 = Giga Chad.
facts
Online gaming has given female landwhales a confidence they never ever should have been allowed to have.
>in Vanilla there was a sexy voiced guild member
Biggest trap there is. I agreed to a blind date way back simply because of that and that girl was uglier than homemade sin. When I played XIV there was a chick that had the fc leader wrapped around her finger, constantly made the weirdest drama. One of the other officers went snooping and found pics of her and that woman clearly never learned about the hot/insanity rankings. Had no business sounding like she did but I can see how paid phone sex came to be with those insights.
Yeah same. Had the biggest crush on this priest in my guild. Gave her gifts and told her I was into her and everything.
Then I meet her in person and she's like 250 pounds.
I would stealth around and crash e-weddings or really any sort of RP.
>played with a cute girl i never met for a year
>we got on teamspeak for first time
>i spill spaghetti and sperge out in front of her guild
>never talk to her again
pretending to be a girl, get an officer position and then steal the guild bank
I did that a lot.
I also had 5 boyfriends at the same time who gave me a lot of gold.
in TBC someone stole my guild's sunwell raid instance while we were working on m'uru, and sat inside it with a bunch of random characters so we couldn't zone in with our full raid. I called him a Black person and got a 3 day ban, after I came back my raid team was dead since a few core raiders transferred to another guild. so I guess he succeeded in griefing us.
I did have two women who wanted to meet me in real life and in both times i cowarded out of it.
Magical. Going from 2005 videogames to areas with no walls or barriers was unbelievable. Eventually going from a warrior to a warlock was even more incredible. It nice to finally have quick kills and not pay a fortune in repairing armor.
>nobody ever posts the good version of vanilla
nobody likes orcs. people only play horde so they can have easy pvp against normies.
>nobody likes orcs
go frick yourself
I played horde because I made an undead priest who looked brutal af and I was playing with 2 friends who also picked undead (warlock and rogue). It was fun adventuring and doing stuff together, even waiting in front of dungeons for a tank to join was simple enough. Farming the same dungeon over and over so everyone including the random gets item they wanted/needed and adding them to friendlist if they were based. I miss this kind of gameplay but it's impossible to recreate it since back then we spent at least 8 hours gaming, now I can't even game for 4 unless it's weekend. Currently only one of us 3 still plays wow (rogue). I quit in Wrath and tried to restart at BFA but it wasn't the same and the warlock friend deleted battle.net at shadowlands and went to play ff14...
i hope you still keep in touch, maybe you can team up again in another game some time.
I kept with touch with some of the randoms who got me into Star Wars: Old Republic before it went f2p but now they either stopped playing mmos or went to ff14. I'm giving the trial a try but it's not the same since it's mostly a solo game because of that MSQ. The roque player won't play anything else if it's not wow and it's been a year since he started streaming on twitch...
At least there are other games like Forest, Valheim of Phasmophobia that we group up and play on Friday nights.
I actually went Alliance because PVP became too easy as horde. Now PVP is senesless so who gives a shit.
not many people were baragays
Because nobody like to play as monsters.
Holy Sovl
when did WoW lose its soul?
Wrath probably? Both Vanilla and BC were aces.
I think after wrath
wrath was the beginning of the end but at least killing arthas was hype as frick
>but at least killing arthas was hype as frick
it wasnt though. it fricked him the whole xpac so it was medicore hype to me anyway
>it wasnt though
You have to understand you are the minority here.
No, he's the majority. Wotlk ruined arthas and the lich king.
Wrong, it was BC. You could see how they were starting to cater to convince, even back then with queuing for BGs and Arena. It was all down hill. Also, in Wrath they turned Arthas into fricking Doctor Claw from Inspector Gadget.
That whole xpac seemed underwhelming and not nearly as good as it could have been.
this.
I would say it was a gradual decline though. Vanilla was peak imo, and BC did introduce some cool things. But BC also broke the overall balance of the game.
When they built dungeons for speedrunning.
cata, when then deleted the actual world and replaced it with soulless streamlined shit that’s designed to rush you to mac level
bump
Patch 3.2 for people with keen awareness, Patch 3.3.0 for people who had been with WoW since the Warcraft days, or Patch 3.3.5 for the average person who wasn't suffering from sunken cost. There may be people who say that it never had soul because of what it did to undead and night elves, and there may be people who say it lost its soul in TBC because of blood elves, draenei, and flying, but the hard objective truth that the tail-end of Wrath is where it all disappeared.
I've set up my own solo server, and Wrath is full of tremendous amounts of soul up until the Argent Tournament, the Fall of the Lich King, and Ruby Sanctum. There were absolutely signs of soullessness in the Nerubian sections that were gutted because of time crunch. Everything that WoW finished, however, is sehr elegant.
only vanilla is good
See? Revisionists everywhere.
>Ruby Sanctum
LOL I forgot about that. I never even did it because I had so much Icecrown gear already. Wasn't it a lower ilvl than Icecrown?
>tail-end of Wrath
I can understand not liking the Naxx repeat if you did it back in vanilla but almost nobody did. The leveling experience was top notch and Ulduar was fantastic.
I wonder how Classic players must have felt going from Vanilla Naxx, which was actually a decent challenge, to Wrath Naxx, which was a complete cakewalk even back in the day.
As someone whose 40 man raid couldn't get passed 4 horseman before BC came out, it was annoying to play eatered down content from two xpacs ago, tbh. By wrath, tho, I was already burned out from wow and only played with friends and did casual arena/bgs
And people STILL sucked at ait. I remember dying on Heigan because I ran too fast, because in the original you couldn't stop running at all or you'd die. I'm not sure how people were constantly dying on those fights.
no, and you wrath babies need to grow the frick up and realize that people do not agree with you instead of this pathetic constant fricking bargaining
wrath was shit, the only people to stick around were the morons so hooked on it they're still playing, or the casuals who just joined, the "bring the player, not the class" crowd
Even playing on retail if you just go to Northrend there's a sudden soul overload. It's so much higher quality than everything that came after it, save maybe for specific parts of Pandaria or Broken Isles.
The music in particular is fricking phenomenal. The "calm" Wintergrasp music still blows me away.
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This section, here. It's gorgeous.
For me, it's Totems of the Grizzlemaw
That's good stuff.
I remember also being a big fan of the Tuskarr ambience.
People with keen awareness knew the end was nigh when Naxx came out as a rehashed raid for the first tier in WoTLK.
In hind-sight, it's apparent that the people who made Vanilla WoW pre-launch were a different group than those who developed the game post-launch and beyond. Around half the team had quit/were laid off prior to Vanilla's launch and it shows with the shift in direction due to the remaining people being Everquest junkies and bringing that slop over.
It was on a decline, but there were still some cool things to appreciate up until legion despite the endless raidslop. Suramar and Pandaria were both really well done.
Why did they quit / laid off prior to vanilla launch? You'd think blizzard could afford the to pay the people who made the game that made blizzard billions.
They could afford them but they didn't want to.
WoW's development went longer than expected and nearly bankrupted them with costs.
were they wiping their ass with $1000 bills? starcraft, diablo games, warcraft games were all massive successes
When Pandas went from being a joke to being real.
So during Warcraft 3 then?
Fun.
If you had history with Warcraft, and liked RPGs, it was even better.
The graphical limitations, and design around those limitations, made the world really feel like a world. I also discovered ERP and regularly fricked nelf girls (Who, in hindsight, were most likely guys pretending to be girls).
Mid-Late Wrath.
>But Wrath was the best!
Yeah and the game became too mainstream. Excessive cross-pollination with other media (commercials, tv, movies) drew in every casual and weekend warrior, who would later drive the design down the tubes.
Cata was mostly good, although the world-shifting became fricking annoying, but Dragon Soul drove the knife in.
It's a shame because Mists was a return to form in many ways, but it was too late.
>I also discovered ERP and regularly fricked nelf girls (Who, in hindsight, were most likely guys pretending to be girls)
Funny enough back when I raided in TBC and Wrath, most of the night elf girls were actually female players. The guys playing females would either be humans or gnomes and it was far less common than dudes just playing human male or night elf male.
The game was also so popular and had such a strong social element that it wasn't uncommon at all to be playing with actual women. The same is still true for other games in the genre, though the women are probably much older now than in the past.
I knew for sure at least two of the female characters were real women. I stopped erping with one when she posted a pic on a forum and she was quite large
I was a shallow teen, sorry
I remember 13 year-old me getting into ERP sessions with full-blown women. Typing classes and English courses that encouraged the use of synonyms to expand vocabulary, not to mention my dad's "hidden" porn stash, made me an ERP expert.
>Let me show you why they call it the WAILING Caverns...!"
YUP
Thank you English class.
My sessions were either in Moonglade (thanks Lunar Festival) or on the scenic cliffs around Teldrassil. There were several spots with waterfalls, meadow-y areas, the works
My dad tells me that he took a typing class to meet girls, because back in his day, only women were expected to know how to type for clerical work. I'm glad I took his advice to get a similar result! My hotspots were low-level dungeons where I could Consecrate clear most enemies to get some legitimate privacy. Wailing Caverns, as mentioned, but also kinky shit in the clean ward in Gnomeregan ("show these other gnomes what a real wiener looks like!") and in the Stockade ("can you believe they arrested a sweet girl like me?"). Out of dungeons, it was always trying to find safe, secluded inns that had low-traffic, just in case. Though I do remember one time on a rogue alt, a "girl" (maybe it actually was female) who was a cat druid snuck into Orgrimmar with me to ERP while in stealth, hoping that we wouldn't get caught while doing it.
Damn, I'm gonna need to rub one out remembering this.
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WoW's content used to be largely player-made. Then that half-israelite Tigole fricking ruined everything like the smarmy kikodile that he is.
>largely player-made
ie it had no content
>@635298670
Also, another thing:
I was a kid playing WoW; just a year short of high school when it came out.
There was a big sense of adventure and exploration.
>I was always trying to climb big hills and mountains to see if there was anything cool.
>Flying over high level zones and seeing the skull icons, even being chased by them as a lowbie trying to get to a cap city to get weapon skills.
>I played a few Nelves and made "the run" to Stormwind a few times.
>I also kept the game's music on for a long time, stopped halfway through Wrath and substituted with my own shitty music.
>The game became lass of a world and more of a chore interlude between Roleplaying (not even erp) sessions with other players
Barrens, Teldrassil, Mulgore had the best soundtracks
Vanilla Stonetalon Mountains remains one of my favorite zones. Claustrophobic, maze-like, with the pollution and threat of industry and the errant villainy Troll witchdoctors
When they settled on the "4-5 new leveling zones, 6-8 new dungeons that take 30 minutes and are designed to be repeated endlessly, three new 20 man raids with gear resets each tier, then leave all that shit behind for the next xpac" format that they've followed ever since. It took the world part out of wow.
raiding is the only real content anyways
>when did WoW lose its soul?
with wotlk, wrath is playable but cringe, anything beyond that is unplayable garbage
when the patched out wall walking
ooff. they hated him because he told them the truth
>No comment votes
SOUL
cata, people point to wrath as the beginning of the end but cata cemented it
Whichever patch in wotlk introduced cross realm dungeon finder. The game wasn't ruined by it, but it incentivized the shittiest of players within the community to normalize their behavior. By cata you basically didn't give a shit who was in your group or how you treated them.
The answer is inarguably cataclysm.
BC sent things into a downward spiral with casualization. Wrath was still good but cutting out the need for land travel in BC really destroyed the sense of scope, sociability and adventure.
TBC was beginning of the end with no more class specific faction and raid sizes reduced to 25, and WotLK was the end.
Wrath when the game stopped being an MMO and most content was easily soloable.
I viewed Wrath as the death of the game I used to know. The dungeons were so stupid. That said, the Arthas cinematic was the last time we had good lore in WoW.
There must always be a lich king is good lore now?
Look man I just liked seeing the conclusion to Arthas' arc, okay
I don't really care about the Bolvar shit
trial of the crusader first and then
cata killed it completely
After vanilla
expansions just gutted the fricking game, instead of adding to vanilla and making it more robust with more reason to do things in the world (like OSRS) they just abandon it and develop new content around a new world, which is then invalidated the next xpac, and the problem just gets worse and worse the more xpacs they added
It's gotten so bad they've done multiple stat squishes and now a level squish to make the leveling process less moronic. And there's still no reason to do anything that's not current content.
yea its so stupid, say what you will about OSRS but the entire world is relevant, just like how vanilla used to be before blizzard took the expansion pill
its really a shame they never did classic+, and then doubled down on the xpac model even for classic serves, lmao... look where that has led them, same problem
Classic and then expansions was a low effort cashgrab. Expecting them to go the OSRS route is expecting a lot, as that would require actual manhours and work.
It's a shame, but that's how it goes.
Also keep in mind that OSRS was up in its 2007 state unchanged for over a year until they started playing with the idea of doing new updates, and I think it only happened because it proved to be by far the more popular version of the game.
The community can't agree on what they even want for Classic, and TBC and Wrath were really easy nostalgia bait. Unfortunately signs are pointing in them doing Cata Classic next, albeit with heavy changes going by their new survey.
wow i had no idea they were thinking of doing cata, jesus they are really milking the cow
Yeah, Ion when asked about it basically alluded to Cata next being the plan. Their new survey is very long and implies heavy changes to Cata though, similar to how Wrath Classic doesn't have dungeon finder even though Wrath is the expansion that introduced it.
That approach might be better but it's still flawed in my opinion. MMOs will always get bloated like that and there's nothing you can do. I think the best solution is to do what Rust did and make a fun game that resets every couple months/years.
It's not perfect and OSRS/RS3 still have a lot of content that ends up obsolete because there's just a best way to do certain things, but it's a hell of a lot better than WoW's system of 90% of the game being utterly pointless and a waste of your time.
Even XIV's system is much better, and the only real difference from WoW is that you are forced to go through all the content. You can't skip ahead.
End of Wrath is when the best of WoW died. It stayed good until WoD. Only people that never played MoP think it was bad, it was better then Cata and was probably when the game felt the best balance wise.
Lots of reasons how WoW lose its soul, and later sold its soul to wokeism.
And from my experience, players are toxic buttholes (Examples: Bartlelock-Runetotem, Deathclaws-Alleria), even in "raiding guilds" that you have to fill in applications.just to join. Even if you know what to do and you haven't done it yet, they won't let you join. And if you're late or busy with other important things, they'll kick you out and treat you like shit.
And the raiding difficulty keeps getting harder and harder, and they won't let you join if you haven't done it yet. It's such a joke.
>Even if you know what to do and you haven't done it yet, they won't let you join
i remember this being the funniest shit in wotlk
people start playing the game, hit 80, trying to raid and cant, cause they have no achieves from said raids
burning crusade. the vanilla was so good memories of it carried the game for 3 expansions but tbc was already pretty shitty.
When Raids took over and the difference between raid and none raid gear kept getting worse and worse Imagine paying to play a game that caters to poopsockers who get great loot while you get frick all. I quit because of it.
Wrath
>cheevos
>gear homogenization, leading to gearscore and "skip to the latest tier" design
>game difficulty drastically lowered outside of a couple of raid encounters
>pop culture reference humor sent into overdrive
>le epic vehicles 00s meme feature which completely sucked
Wrath killed WoW, there is no debate. Cata tried to walk back a lot of Wrath's garbage but the Wrathbabies screamed too loud so Blizzard gave in.
i tried it and it looked like cartoon shit so i went back to L2
it was fricking shitty
it is a bad video game
Was 18, freshman year of college and everyone on the dorm floor was playing. No one knew shit about shit, grinding mobs for leather because we didn't know a better way. Adventure. Discovery. Mystery. It was great. One of the best MMO experiences of all time.
peak of my entire life. nothing has been as good, no drug has made me feel as good.
So this experience is not typical, and I understand that.
Remember, that World of Warcraft was a full priced PC game at the time, and you used the disc to install and play.
I loved the Warcraft games. Ever since picking up an old copy of Warcraft 2 for 10 bucks at Walmart I was hooked. Loved Warcraft 3 when it came out, and it's expansion as well. Of course I pre-ordered World of Warcraft.
So I pay the $50, and this game has a monthly sub (so it better be frickin good!). The included 14 free days, however, only took effect if you had a credit card. I did not, I was still a young teen. So that's another $30 for the fricking 2 month game card because they sell no other denomination, now we are at 80 + tax + tip, so more like $90.
I start the game, and it's boring as frick. I knew it wasn't going to be an RTS game, but I expected something faster. I kept attributing it to "picking the wrong class", so I got a few leveled up to 25.
I uninstalled that shit ass game in a week. $90 fricking dollars down the drain.
how old were you when you started? I ask because what you're describing is how I've felt about every MMORPG I've ever played as an adult, all of them are so shallow.
that's just how every MMORPG was for me. You really do need friends and have the capacity to grind to do any of the fun shit.
Dad called me a fricking ADD for wanting to grind for 10 hours in Star Citizen (yes fricking star citizen, crashes and all)
the exciting part of the game is PvP. PvE is only exciting when some idiot in your dungeon group pulls too many mobs or you are trying to solo an elite mob using a 30 minute cooldown and dont want to fail and wait another 30 mins.
If you played on a pve server and thought the game was too boring and cost you 90$ you deserved to lose the money
>no new videos
Black person
GREATEST THING OF ALL TIME.
THAT FIRST DAY WHEN YOU PLAY AT 2PM AND DONT STOP PLAYING UNTIL ITS LIGHT AGAIN AT 6AM
you can get a glimpse of it from alpha/beta screenshots. the chat is pure soul
https://archive.thealphaproject.eu/
lvl 90? lmao this is fake
Mongoloid.
The big problem with WoW imo is nobody talks to anybody. You can ask a random question when there are 30 other players and no one ever answers
yeah you really need to be with friends and/or join a guild otherwise getting past 40 is a slog
That is the core problem. Back then, nearly everyone loved interacting with other players, just sitting around a campfire, emoting, talking, and the game incentivized that through overworld stuff that was very hard alone. Now, it's a sinple player game in which there are other players. Completely different mindset. It went from "Awesome, I can play with others!" to "Oh no, I have to play with others!". That is a mentality that will never come back.
It's not that I don't like playing with other people
It's that I don't like all the things that other people do by being other people
everybody already has there little discord friend group now and doesn't want to meet anybody new, much like real life these days people are stuck in their click and don't want to meet anybody new
holy frick Alpha IF was infinetly soulful
explain those hotkeys
nobody used hotkeys in 2004
those screenshots are from alpha/beta
people didn't minmax their gameplay in 2004 unless you were in a hardcore guild
it was so good it was like a drug. knew people who ruined their lives for this shit. zoomers will never know a high like this
glorious
god I miss those days
every single quest completed felt good, every dungeon, every new person you met, if I played the exact same game right now it would probably feel way worse but back then, man
good times
Like having a proper adventure in a strange and wonderful land filled with danger and intrigue. Everything was new, unexplored, being discovered and figured out in real time. There was nothing else like it, and I don't think there will ever be anything like it ever again.
I ran around investigating every nook and cranny. The size and scope of that game was insane back in those days. I ended up making a new character for every race and playing to 20 because I wanted to experience their starting zones.
It was so revolutionary for its time that it had an unintended detrimental effect on people irl lives.
It wasn't uncommon to hear about students playing 24/7 and the occasional college dropout.
On the other hand, no game has given me the memories WoW gave me.
I didn't drop out of school because of WoW specifically but it definitely contributed. Throughout my teenage years I definitely spent more time than healthy playing that game. It was my main source of entertainment from age 16 to age 20.
I haven't been in a raiding guild since 2008 and done any content harder than Mists challenge dungeons in years, but I still come back for every new patch. Shadowlands is the only time in the game's entire life I've been away from it for over a year.
And before you ask, yes I'm playing Dragonflight. It's unironically good, despite everything.
dragonflight killed WoW lmao
How could it kill a game that was already dead? Shadowlands drove everyone away, finally pushed people to seek out alternatives, and they didn't come back for DF. DF's engagement is the lowest in the game's history.
>DF's engagement is the lowest in the game's history.
sauce?
I don't have any hard proof but the cinematic trailer took months to get to two million views. No one is streaming DF anymore and Youtube content about the game has been getting fewer and fewer views.
People just aren't interested anymore.
BfA was the beginning of the end
>BfA
anon..... wow was lost waaaaay before that
wod and legion had their many faults but bfa is where shit got really bad
>wod and legion
homie wow went to shit in cataclysm. Wod was when it was absolutely dead and buried.
cata was a one off shitfest that was followed by mop which was great
>which was great
It was much better but the damage was still done and wow never actually recovered.
I'm glad you still play brosef.
As for me, I tried but life got in the way haha. Too busy these days. I do try to play the first month of every new expansion.
I had 3 friends who were all so addicted it ruined every opportunity they had. Last I checked they still play
I have a coworker with 3 kids that told me his college roommate failed out because of WoW.
Feels weird since I've explained Classic WoW to him. It's like he thinks I've got a crack pipe in my back pocket
It was a laggy mess.
>be druid
>put your herbalism skills to the test to cure poisoned animals
>talk to ancient spirits to glean their wisdom
>travel the world to become harmonious with nature
>be hunter
>learn how to tame a best friend
>getting the Rhok meant you were a legitimate threat and not being carried
>be mage
>get your wand, robes, and staff
>investigate sites of busted magic across the world, like in Uldaman and Azshara
>be paladin
>give to the poor, rescue the fallen, purge evil
>get sent to the front in Plaguelands to smite evil and also go to Dire Maul to prove yourself
>be priest
>help those in need of healing, learn what your faith means, purge demons in Sunken Temple
>your ultimate test is to save those who couldn't possibly be saved in the Plaguelands
>be rogue
>join your faction's secret society
>eventually get inducted into an even more secret society
>get sent on an assassination mission only the best can accomplish
>be shaman
>go across the globe getting stoned off your ass to talk to spirits and get their powers
>turns out learning this power would lead into Scholomance for a purge even paladins can't do
>be warlock
>be forced to learn your magic away from polite society
>Alliance members even need to travel across the world just to find someone to teach them
>ends with making numerous pacts with demons for mounts and conjuring meteors
>you're even expected to survive in the Blasted Lands, which is teeming with demons
>be warrior
>be weak, be humble
>quests constantly encourage you to party up to complete them
>by level 30 you've become a monster; by level 60, you've become a god
And it will never happen again...
>>be rogue
>have literally the least amount of class quests in the entire game
good, frick rogues
Classes were way imba, there were a LOT of little things to exploit, IE
>warriors had no charges on retaliation, or sweeping strikes, and both could stack with each other.
>also no animation so when you pop retaliation rogues warning that you used it was 90% of their HP bar disappearing.
Also many imba item mechanics
>items that did spell damage scaled with spell power, often at 1:1. cloak that did ifre damage when you got hit? stack +fire damage to do 100 fire damage to attacker everything he hits you
Also people didnt know how to play. there were many casuals playing, many little kids
>make your own key bindings and you are in top percentile of PvP players
>many people used wasd to turn their character and they were easy kills
>many people didnt even read their abilities or know how to use them effectively
People also didnt really care about getting to 60 very much. People enjoyed playing at the lower levels. you log on friday at lvl 28 and play all night and all saturaday, and all sunday, and you get 1 level and felt like it was a weekend well spent because 90% of the time was running around with your guild fighting in enemy territory, working on professions so you could yuse bombs on enemy faction member, hiding at side of road to ambush enemy.
There were low level PvP squads runnign up and down the roads to gnak people questing, or to fight enemy faction pvp squads. it was common for groups of lvl 20-30s to fight each other outside ashenvale towns. When you heard there was pvp you went to help. Sometimes a mega nerd who was 60 would come to help too. There would be fights with 10 lvl 20s vs 10 lvl 20s with each side also have 2-3 people lvl 50+.
It was almost like a mini version of hillsbrad but in every contested zone.
basically this, the servers were populated with a good bit of casual and competitive players but servers were generally stacked at all times and there was constant gank squads particularly in Stranglethorn Vale
I only ever got to 50 when I originally played the game but I never really gave a frick and just did what anon said also
will people ever play WoW again?
>Classic launches
>It's a moronic mad dash to get to max level and start raiding
>The gear grind is literally all that matters to people, and most of them end up consuming all the content as fast as possible and quitting
>Fast forward to a couple months ago
>Some moronic "HC Challenge" is making waves and forcing people to play the game slowly and methodically
>People discovering the game is much more fun and meaningful when you engage with the outdoor content rather than just blow through it or spam dungeons
Wish people could have woke up to this years ago before Blizzard decided to make the whole game about raiding.
the worst part is they are asking for fresh servers with XP bonuses to help people get to raiding faster.
"Okay see this place called Booty Bay?"
>yeah
"All the way at the bottom of the map?"
>yeah
"And you see Stratholme all the way up here?"
>yeah
"Up in the Plaguelands like at the end of WC3?"
>yeah
"You can walk all the way there with no loading screens."
>
This is it right here. The world felt so fricking big.
@635299124
Damn you caught me, I played a game for thousands of hours that had no content with millions of other people, and had a great time. Just like when my friends and I would build robots using a box of Legos, rather than what a manchild does with Lego schematics.
>have an entire world you could do literally anything in
>focus everything on instanced content that becomes a dead mall when the next patch comes out
MMOs are the biggest waste of potential
that was only WoW and WoW-likes
this was never an issue in any MMO that wasn't trying to be WoW
even then, it wasn't an issue in WoW until TBC, Shittrath and all end game hubs like it were fricking abysmal
my mom was happy she didnt had to worry about me on the streets since I was home and occupied 24/7. Somehow I still managed to finish school and my apprenticeship
Started playing in the beta and it was so good at the time that it dragged me away from my other best gaming experience, Planetside. Truly a golden age for my gaming career.
I think a true sense of wonder is the best way I can describe the first WoW experience. I remember the exact moment I realized Teldrassil was a giant frickin tree (I was a lorelet)... doing the rogue class quest to pick pocket from the satyr that patrols on one of the branches. I realized my footsteps sounded like I was on wood, so I looked down and saw the entire world that I had played on for like 3 days was a giant tree. My brain exploded and I was hooked.
Underwhelming. I quit after a very short while.
>ywn ritual of doom in northshire ever again
>ywn inferno a rabbit in goldshire ever again
>ywn fear a mob someone is attacking into a pack of mobs as you're running by ever again
>ywn curse of recklessness a mob someone is dangerously close to beating ever again
>ywn charge exorbitant amounts of money to teleport summon or soulstone ever again
Actually what hurts me the most is knowing that warlock is perfect for Blackfathom Deeps, and feeling legitimately important in that dungeon from something as minor as sharing underwater breathing and using soulstone when the mob waves from lighting the torches inevitably results in a wipe is something I will always cherish.
dude I never understood why people always lit all the torches at the same time, just do them one by one
Back in the days of bad internet connections, there was a longer delay for the first wave to spawn when the torches lit. That meant that most players didn't know that one wave equals one torch. Most players think that all of the waves spawned on top of each other from just lighting only a single torch due to "bad coding". That's why they light all at once and expect either a soulstone rez, or a vanishing rogue to use jumper cables.
i remember playing hardcore turtle wow with a dungeon group of russians and I pulled all the torches to wipe them intentionally, killing their lvl 30 HC characters
im that guy that says to light all the torches asap when i see someone run towards them, then say "dont look at me" when team freaks out if the mad lad actually does it.
I played City of Heroes instead
This but Villains. Mastermind cemented my love of pet classes.
Me and some Alliance friends bought Hillsbrad Foothills farmer clothes off the Neutal AH, and we (level 60s) would walk (actually walking) up and down the road and around the area of Hillsbrad Foothills (where alliance friendly NPCs were, for level 20ish horde to kill). We had pitchforks, blue overalls and the farmer hats (all which dropped off those ally friendly mobs), so we blended in.
When a horde came by, we'd charge/quickly kill the hode guy, then run back to where he "aggrod" us and continue on our walk, like NPCs. Pissed off tons of players doing that, but it sure was fun. Thats when wow was fun.
That and going on an RP server with 3 buddies. All black except for a white guy with the foppish hairstyle, and he'd stand on a box outside goldhsire inn and attempt to "sell" us to people. The RPers or GM didn't think it wad funny, but we were role-playing. What? There's no slavery in the world of warcraft?
Terrible precisely because of the pic you posted in the OP. A night elf female on the front and center of the front cover of the Human Alliance box cover art of the World of Warcraft game? It was obvious from the start that this game would not be a faithful continuation of Warcraft 3 and that compromises would be made at the drop of a hat for the sake of convenience. In fact it was this decision that ultimately resulted in the Alliance being a homosexual faction full off shitters that can't win a single race for world first because nobody with any gamesense would play as the female faction represented by fricking night elves.
I had a shit PC at the time and didn't really try it until a friend convinced me.
Used to go to Dragon Alley when it was still an RPG games shop and they had computers for online gaming. One of the players were playing WoW, raiding Molten Core. And seeing how you could do stuff with so many players at once was groundbreaking for me.
First time I played it I got bored at lvl 30 and quit.
I was a bit disappointed that it deviated so much from Warcraft 3 or there was so much Warcraft 3 stuff that was missing (they made the Devs play wc1 and 2 but not 3 before designing this). I tried again 3 months later and got hooked.
>no trannies
>no /misc/ shit
>just had to put up with the special ed class that was goons from something awful
I played in 2004 and only got to around level 30 before I was too bored and stopped.
i will now fap to ritsu
Was it a good one?
you know it
Based.
Subscription was kind of unheard of shit and I played Guild Wars instead. I thought that flying in WoW was super cool.
I know it's useless to complain about it, but people trying to do a fake Ironman thing in Vanilla with their "hardcore challenge" makes me wish the game was actually designed like Runescape, in that you are forced to do old content in order to get to new content, and that 'endgame' takes a very long time to get to.
But it's much too late for that.
magic, truly. like you were leaving real life
>tfw i was kicked out of the guild becuase i havent played for 5 days
and this guild was advertised as 'chill and casual'
i blame the playerbase
The Classic WoW community is hilarious in how much they misunderstood the point of Vanilla and actively managed to make it unironically worse than Retail
>how much they misunderstood the point of Vanilla
blame oldgays for this
"HURR CLASSIC WAS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE LE HARDCORE WOW DURR"
so newbies decided to play it as a game that they need to 'beat' to prove something
remember, any Anon who complains "classic WoW was better" is just a homosexual too weak to play EverQuest. If they cared about a REAL mmorpg they would have been playing a REAL mmorpg.
Arguing about different versions of WoW is like arguing about the best athlete in the Special Olympics.
classic has pvp tho
Behold, kino:
nobody cares about evergrind it was a shit game, thanks god vanilla wow killed it. there's a reason why green server only has like 300 players max
>The Classic WoW community
they were pretty much all guys who never played actual classic vanilla and just played nostalrius. I sometimes think im the only one who actually played back in 2005, then played private servers up until nost.
I was watching them talk about how classic wow would run (on 1.12 patch) and how the progression schedule would work and it was sad to me because i knew it woudlnt really capture what vanilla actually was and just be a walmart tier nost.
The only silver lining was the latency they added to be more like 2005 internet let me do old tricks with my class you couldnt do on priavte servers, but thye removed that too.
nost ruined classic
that's what WoW classic was always supposed to be, Nostalrius but you pay Blizzard now. You can't bring back vanilla WoW, it already happened.
and you couldn't even bring it back with a new game because people will always read the wiki before even starting to play, minmax everything and only play for endgame
always hate shitters like this
you can just tell its some homosexual ret pally seething because he couldnt find a guild willing to carry his autoattacking ass and hand him bis gear
>NOOOOO THE GAME IS LE EASY SO YOU HAVE TO LET ME LEECH NO I WONT JOIN A GUILD WITH OTHER SHITTER RET PALLIES BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER EVEN KILL LUCI STOP ASKING AAAA
Yeah fricking shitters shitting up my Alliance with their shit. I think we should take all ret paladins and put them in trash compactors and squeeze all the shit out of them, they're so full of shit we can kill them all all of them dead and destroyed and squished into shitstains which we can use to fertilize crops so that actual human beings chads warrior dps damage attack destroyer world first Alliance raider alpha males can have more snacks to eat for their gamer fuel victory against the Horde in the world first race on World of Warcraft classic vanilla.
>victory against the Horde
horde 'winning' in wpvp in TBCC was the funniest shit ever
>camp allys everywhere
>allys reroll, transfer or leave the game
>no allys - no BGs
>"RRREEEE BLIZZ FIX THIS"
Loktar Ogar, moronic gay cuck bluepilled homosexuals do not belong in my world of warcraft, smash them haha piss on them at Blizzcon zug zug! Losers cant win anything not even a single world first raid race!
no frick all that. What made classic suck was people rushing to endgame and viewing leveling as just an inconvenience instead of the "actual game".
and later on of course all the BS with world buffs and mandatory potions that made even the endgame an absolutely joyless chore
>What made classic suck was people rushing to endgame and viewing leveling as just an inconvenience instead of the "actual game".
It's funny how my zoomer friend did the usual b***hing and moaning about barrens leveling and reminisces about it now.
A lot of times the thing people think of as inconvenient is actually an interesting part of the game.
People who always advocate for QoL and convenience are wrong a lot of the time.
>no frick all that. What made classic suck was people rushing to endgame and viewing leveling as just an inconvenience instead of the "actual game".
literally no one forced you to do this
you could have played at your own pace just fine
why are you seething at me playing with my friends (in a multiplayer game what a shocker) and leveling by doing exclusively multiplayer content instead of the same old soloing shit all of us have already done a dozen times over in original vanilla/pservers by the time classic finally came out
>and later on of course all the BS with world buffs and mandatory potions that made even the endgame an absolutely joyless chore
so don't play with those people join a boomer casual guild and enjoy your "fun" of spending 5 hours in molten core with like minded people
if you want to play in a competent environment the drawbacks of that is that there are going to be some requirements placed on you
>spending 5 hours in molten core
>MC with buffs - 30 mins
>MC without buffs - 45 mins
literally fricking 10-hours long ragna fight
Yes, competent people could clear Molten Core in under an hour even without world buffs.But competent people are not going to be playing without world buffs. People who don't want to get world buffs are almost to a man lazy shitter leeches who wanted to be carried. That's why they whined so much about world buffs in the first place, it was too much of an effort for them to spend like twenty minutes getting them all. One of the reasons why world buffs and consumables were a requirement was specifically to filter out the vast majority of the shitters.
>You're not allowed to play the game you want to with other people who want to play the game they want to because it hurts my feelings when others have better outcomes than me!
Sounds like a (You) problem. That's basically all it boils down, shitter seethe and jealousy. None of you people engage with the community, make friends and rivalries, you're just solo homosexuals playing it as a single player game and screaming UHHHHH THAT'S SOULFUL ACTUALLY!!! when called out. You and other shitter casual tourists can go and play on any random dead Classic Era server right now and get the exact """soulful""" experience you always wanted right now if that's what you were actually interested it instead of just whining about your betters.
>twenty minutes
>t. someone who got carried through buffs gathering with warlock summons and mage portals
>Sounds like a (You) problem.
It's an everyone problem and you are the main part of it. An outright evil person who doesn't consider what's good for the community and blames the victims for their suffering.
>spend like twenty minutes getting them all
Spend 20 minutes (and some gold to pay for summons) to clear raid 15 minutes faster.
Sounds moronic.
You're moronic for thinking 5 minutes isn't worth it to get all these fricking shitters out of my game. Shitters belong in the shitter getting shat on for being shit.
So you're doing something inefficient just to prove that by doing something inefficient you're better than people who are not doing something inefficient?
You're basically spend MORE time and MORE money for the same outcome and somehow you are better?
I wouldn't expect a shitter casual jealous seether looser to understand the sheer value of GAMING.
Your decisions and actions impact the communal psychological and sociocultural memetic aspects of the game, which are the only advantage that vanilla WoW had in being a massive multiplayer game instead of a conventional lobby-based battle.net RPG in the first place.
Classic didn't suck though, it was fun
World buffs and consumes weren't even really that needed until maybe AQ. Back in vanilla people didn't really care if they couldn't do all the content, but nowadays people want to actually do all the bosses, which if you want to do it you need to actually prepare for it. It wasn't much different than vanilla there was just more people willing to do the work. Honestly Classic was really fun, there was so much server drama and organization for managing world buffs that it had a different type or world feel. There were lots of people that just everyone on the server knew because you can share stories so much faster. Boosting meta was probably the worst part of classic, but I mean unfortunately there are lots of people that just don't have the attention span for levelling.
It wasn't perfect but it was still a really special time. It felt like a ton of people were just genuinely very excited to play the game again and were united by a shared love of this old game. I wish I had played more of it.
>because you can share stories so much faster
what
Legitimately felt like you were entering a new world, a second life to be had on the internet
unironically
There's more to a military than just frontline soldiers.
I played EverQuest, and it was clear from minute 1 that WoW was for trash normies and anti-social furgays too moronic to handle a real game.
I was proven correct within months as WoW added more and more features to turn itself into a single-player troon game for babbies.
Never played vanilla back in the days, joined back in cata, played classic later, it was everything i wanted from wow. You guys had it good back in the days. I loved the first 40 levels, shit was fun doing random dungeons for no reason like uldaman.
>boosting to 60
>GDKP
>chinese bots
>zergfest "wpvp"
>worldbuffs meta
>six gorillions megaservers
nost ruined classic wow and every vanilla pserver that came after it
>boosting to 60
>GDKP
>chinese bots
not on nost on anywhere near classics scale
nost actually started this shit on a large scale
slightly before closing levelcap locations on nost were completely unplayable - every spawn was camped by someone
sure it was an overpopulated megaserver, even if classic would be like that anyway. but there was no gdkp shit and it wasnt really worth it boosting because dungeon xp is different
>gdkps
>boosting to 60
you never played on nost and light's hope
ever played classic at launch? none of that shit then aside from the world buff angst
It was harder to do all the content back then, what little there was. Even as a teenager who was not very social it was still too much to do and I only hit max level once. World PVP was still a thing, city raids were a thing, BGs were actually fun and not always completely one sided, especially if you twinked out, no fricking level scaling.
If I was not spoiled by QoL improvements such as transmogs and dungeon finder (no, I am not begging randos to run dungeons) I would stick to classic WoW.
There was never really a rush to do anything. I would often go on just because i felt like doing a dungeon and i didn't even know what dropped in the dungeon and it would take multiple hours sometimes. Or just hopping in pvp with pve gear and just having fun because most others had no idea how good stam was for pvp which made it not impossible to kill others. It was more of just having fun with the social experience and the world rather than trying to explicitly get some objective from every play session.
It was incredible, I wish I could go back to that eras internet culture
Even modern games would be fun in that era. It really was all about the people. Easier access to the internet was a mistake
Not gonna lie, free will is a greatly overrated concept.
If I had a mind control machine I would just turn everyone into 2005-era gamers and leave it on permanent loop. Everyone would be happier, especially me, but also everyone else too.
It was the greatest thing ever for about a year or so then it really started to suck, but it was only good if you had neet friends as well to play it with
>play till 2 am every night
>wake up at 6 and play before school
A crippling addiction and escapism so I could forget about my terrible home life. I should play classic.
Maybe wait until the new 1.15 patch hits and Season of Mastery 2 happens.
Wrath Classic is a sweatfest.
There was kind of a magical feel to it. Then it quickly collapsed tbqh faam smdh
Are you moronic? There are non-combative roles in every military. My dads a fricking mechanic. Your so fricking laughably stupid and obviously stood way too long on the internet. Go outside, see your friends and your family. Stop living in your bedroom you fricking baffoon breaking into a sperg out over nothing. No wonder nobody talks to you, loser.
Holy shit it's like I'm back in high school again
LUDO followed by KINO
it was fricking awesome and i never got past like level 20 in vanilla because i was a dumb kid, but it was really magical
imagine a classic wow
but without bg or raids
only wpvp and 5ppl
I think it would be cool if there were servers where if you killed someone in world pvp you got to loot all their gear, imagine stealing someones thunderfury
>steal a trogg from a gnome in hc
>He says reported 🙂
>Money stolen
>Characters stolen
>Thousands of hours stolen
Great game buzzard
You called him a Black person didnt you
I have never said the nonoword in game chat
he just dropped a cheeky NIGGER, and then got banned for no reason
you get what you fricking deserve for paying for a bl*zzard product you fricking cuck
take hrt and come join us on turtle
>Playing WOW after Wrath
It's fine if you returned for Mists, but jesus stop.
fresh when
>hit lvl cap
>instantly lose any interest
how do i start liking dungeons?
i dont mind bossfights but clearing trash bores the frick out of me
Had a weird experience in retrospect, playing on a low pop US server during Asian/Aussie hours, before Oceanic servers were a thing. The raid scene was nearly dead, until the server somehow became the home to a small clique of non-farmer Chinese players. They were very skilled and pretty much carried our dead-hours guilds(plural) that can barely fill 30 players for 40m raids.
However, since they were playing illegally through VPNs, their accounts would keep getting banned, then they'll make new accounts and carry each other to level 60 with MC-capable gear within a week. It was impressive but it also stunted our overall gear progression.
Eventually the frequency of bans caught up so they stopped and left. The (merged) guild eventually disbanded after being stuck months on Vael like many others.
Christ, what a dedicated bunch.
Like magic can't compare it to anything ever you didn't play launch vanilla and classic (that was second chance you had) You pretty much missed out on the best gaming experience ever.
played it for like 3 months to level 46 or something i then new they kiddy graphics where not for me.
the pvp was shit the charchters where shit the world was shit the lore wss shit everything was just not worth my time.
Went back to Dark Age camlot best ever MMorpg with decent lore world pvp better clasess more fun and graphics did not look like it was 6 years olds.
If you weren't playing WOW during it's initial release it's like you were missing out on something. You could literally speak to anyone and they'd know about it, or have heard about it. It was such an insane experience that even before it released I did huge overtime at my first job just to buy my first actual gaming PC. I ended up quitting work and going to College/Uni doing a degree in Web Design just so I could skip classes to play WOW. My attendance must have been something stupid like 60% and I still came out with my Degree in Computing and Web Design to which I used a few times freelance for some local companies. Never used that degree ever since, and now I'm a self-employed Mortgage broker that wants to go back in time.
I dropped the 10 fps in elwynn because of all the trees
Turtle WoW
overpopulated
good joke
Fricking magical. Playing WoW early on was such an intensely addicting experience and the design of it brought up emotions I didn't even know I was capable of feeling. I'm convinced they held some kind of dark ritual over this game before they released it. Wish I had never touched it but to this day nothing has ever come close to what WoW did to me. I still can't listen to the old music without wanting to resub even though I know it's hyper trash now
Unlike anything else
Tapped into the innate desire of man to explore new lands and adventure, something completely missing from our modern lives
The execution really elevated it
no loading screens = immersed
men just want to climb
>tfw i cant go back to 2007 TBC
I get nostalgia while things are happening. I remember questing in TBC thinking "Wow! Nothing will ever top the experience I've had with this game. My future is gonna be lame"
its music for me
I suppose that's good. Means you can appreciate the good times properly, before they are gone
Stormforge TBC is 1 month old and peaks at 5k+ pop, it's the best TBC you will get in a very long time
How do I shaman?
Does it really boils down to pull with flame shock, recast lightning shield and pray for windfury?
I played enh a bit in TBC and wrath but vanilla looks boring
think it was faster to grind in elemental. put up interrupt-resist and mana regen totems, flame shock pull everything then let enemies die from dot, chain lightning and lightning shield. you could keep it up infinitely.
it was magical, soulfull and the best gaming experience ever
me and my college friends would just skip class and play it all day and night, that was our routine for 2 years
yes a waste of life i guess, but the same time just awesome. everything was new and epic feeling. and we would talk about it for hours.
god damn i miss those years
>calls it a waste of life
>recalls literal years of spending time with his friends in a shared beloved activity and has many treasured memories from it
The waste of life you probably have now is slaving away at some shitty dead end job.
Accurate. Maybe spending hours with buddies trying to jump up AQ40 boxes in Ironforge to get onto buildings wasn't the most profitable use of my time but man..it was fun just chilling with people who were all on the same, enthusiastic page.
Lots of stuttering and disconnects.
>play Vanilla WoW for a few good months
>start having connection issues preventing me from playing
>have to phone them to find out why
>turns out there was a long list of inter routers that were no longer compatible for the game
>they didn't even bother to make this known to people
>have to buy a new router to play the game again
>had similar issues
>had to scour forums for similar issues and suggested solutions
>eventually found one on some very regional forum that my ISP had to implement
>somehow it all worked out in the end
As much as the old internet and old games were better, the tech issues because of hardware and/or ISP shit was so much more arcane and impossible to figure out sometimes
It was ugly as frick but the seamless world was great if you never seen one before.
Catering to raidgays ruined it for me
Why didn't we get Warcraft 4 instead of World of Warcraft
It would still be a MMORPG, called Warcraft: 4ever.
clad
why do so many men that play WoW give away free stuff to women that play WoW?
Walking from Undercity to the middle of the fricking Wetlands for the Horde Warlock Succubus quest it's still one of my foldest memory in gaming
Vanilla WoW's class quests were peak MMO gameplay and you cannot convince me otherwise.
>every quest chain takes you around the world, so you can see everything the game has
>every quest makes use of your class-specific skills
>every reward was top-tier so you were incentivized to do it, which in turn forged a strong relationship between other people of the same class (every warrior knows how it feels to get the WW axe, every hunter knows the pain of getting the bow, every mage knows how it feels to be gay, etc.)
Legion had a smattering of that, but the fact that several classes overlapped kinda spoiled it.
Extremelle level of pure distilled soul. But it's also the first always-online video game that became a pop phenomenom outside the gaming comunity, and together with the first social medias of the mid 00s started the ruin of the internet by making it accesible to normies.
I mean it was one of the earliest game with WOMEN, and i mean real life WOMEN playing it, something that was extremelly rare on the internet back then. When women consider something socially acceptable enough to join it, it's downfall soon come.