it sold more or less the amount of copies that were shipped, which means that it's selling more or less according to expectations
it's neither a huge success nor a tortanic
Totally. If something sells like 90% of stocks you failed to realize how hype it would be. I expect 5-7 million comes sold come Christmas and probably 15 million copies next year
Yes, they don't matter, and never did. Never understood the obsession with sales. If its a indie game selling well, good on them, I clap. But a big budget company making millions because they put millions into marketing? The frick do I care? Thats for company owners and shareholders, not me.
>Yes, they don't matter
NTA but they do matter. This decides FF's next project. Entertainment companies don't make sequels to their movie, tv show, or game if it didn't make the amount of money they expected it to.
>Game sells well >Developer will likely create games like it are developed in the future, may influence other developers to create similar games if sales are high enough >Game sells poorly >Developer will likely create less games like it are developed in the future, may completely kill its franchise or even its entire genre if they're bad enough
More than enough reason to be interested in sales as a consumer
all discussion of this game will die completely once its no longer "viral" and you tards will move on to whatever big budget slop gets hyped up next, like it happened with every single other game that had zero staying power or cultural impact
all discussion of this game will die completely once its no longer "viral" and you tards will move on to whatever big budget slop gets hyped up next, like it happened with every single other game that had zero staying power or cultural impact
lmao they undershipped to create a false scarcity crisis to fill the waiting lines and make some noise online, and they couldn't even seel all the copies.
I don't get it, are we supposed to be happy because it sold through the entire shipment that's lesser than the mainline one before it? Or is Genki just celebrating like one of those celebration memes?
Copies of games in stores are going but stores didn't order that much so they have a smaller stock. Easy to have a high sell through rate if you're ordering only 100 copies of a game and not 300 or whatever.
7Remake had 30% digital rate in 2020 during the peak covid panic and physical copies were supply constrained.
Residen Evil 8 had 18% digital on launch in Japan.
Around 20-25% is absolute best XVI can hope for.
>Half of PS5s can't do physical
https://www.gematsu.com/2023/06/famitsu-sales-6-19-23-6-25-23 >PlayStation 5 – 71,415 (3,273,600) >PlayStation 5 Digital Edition – 13,970 (529,583) >14% is half according to anon
>they accepted the PS5 exclusivity
No, afaik SE went to Microsoft and asks what will they offer to get FF16 on their platform, and Microsoft refuse to pay them a single cent.
So it's entirely Microsoft's fault that it's exclusive on PS5.
>SE went to Microsoft and asks what will they offer to get FF16 on their platform
Source?
And no. "Pay me, so I can earn more money!" is not a viable tactic
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/square-enix-playstation-offered-a-better-deal-than-xbox-for-final-fantasy-16
It's just one of those "insider info", so take it with a grain of salt.
Sounds more like they were looking for a console exclusivity deal since the start and not that it would've been multiplatform, but MS didn't want to pay.
It's also extremely shortsighted. Instead of gowing the fanbase to support the series in the future, they opt for short term exclusivity money
>short term exclusivity money
CEO doesn't get paid or reward for long term profits anymore.
They will get paid the most based on yearly profits.
You know damn well they will kill the golden goose today to get 2 golden eggs than letting it lay 1 egg/day.
This problem will easily be fixed by holding CEO accountable to long term profit/losses
>doesn't even sell out the shipped copys >it did impressive guys >believe the snoybot plox
The cope around this game is insane. FF7R did triple the number week 1 with only 2 days counted and every title before did 1.5 million week 1 in JP. When FF can barely sell in JP it's an awful sign for the franchise.
It probably didn't. Different retailers in different locations will have different amounts of demands reflecting the interest of the surrounding populace. Even in the best case scenario, it's not very reasonable to assume it sold outright. Additionally, the total shipments are likely representative of the projections of demand by the retailers collectively. If this is like other conventional cases, the sales will not pick up and retailers will order only as much as they think seems appropriate. It may just stay in the red forever from now despite selling near double what it already has in a year or so because orders will be made in accordance to demand as opposed to in excess. It's the case with many, many titles. You can see for yourself on the famitsu website.
Physical only moron. The fact PS5 didn't beat Switch this week in consoles sales even with the bundle should indicate that a lot of existing PS5 owners bought it digitally
>Thread about physical sell-through >Prove they shipped pitiful numbers >B-b-b-b-b-but muh imaginary digital sales!
AHAHAHAHAHAH *wheeze* OHNONONNONONONONONO
STOP ANON, MY SIDES CAN'T TAKE IT
Final Fantasy XVI will sell 5 million before the year is over on PS5 alone. This is such a monumental L for you, you're a laughing stock and all you can do is post frogs. moron
Yoshi is probably happy as frick. Releasing a successful game that your countrymen love is just on another level. Who the frick cares about """western""" opinions when japs love it
Can we please stop talking about sales? And sales in Japan no less.
How many physical copies were sold? Like a 1,000? That country is irrelevant. They only care about 2 things. Nintendo and gacha.
NOOOOO! I POSTED YOUTUBE WATCH NUMBERS EVERY DAY! I KEPT TELLING YOU NOBODY IS HYPED FOR IT! I WAS TELLING PEOPLE IT WILL FLOP EVERY DAY! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!?
GameStop in Norway made the “ you can preorder the game” on the store excuse because it sold out. Went to 8 different fricking shops. Ended up buying it digital, anyway my point being frick Erna Solberg that fat prostitute. Long love arbeidspartiet
Does anyone else see this game selling 20+ like spider man and god of war ? I remember them selling like 3 million also during their first week and those game were bundle with the ps4
Scalping has been over since the start of the year, PS5 had a big sales boom in spring because there were a lot more available. Production will go up for Christmas. It's not an issue, you can go on any big website and buy one now
People alway underestimate Yoshi-p. He had a 18 month sale plans which he will follow. I can easily see it crushing ff15 sales. 16-17 million I believe will be after the 18 month is done
>People alway underestimate Yoshi-p. He had a 18 month sale plans which he will follow. I can easily see it crushing ff15 sales. 16-17 million I believe will be after the 18 month is done
If he had post-launch ideas that would make it the best selling Final Fantasy game instead of the lowest launch since FFV on the SNES? Why the hell wouldn't those ideas be in the game to begin with?
horizon was shilled to hell by Sony, given for free on ps+ and bundled on multiple PS4 offerings (specially with discounts and other games). Sony made a fricking statue to alloy
Spending 220 million dollar on just development without double that in marketing only to then force bundla and give it away for "free" in psn+ after 2 months is not a "post launch marketing strategy".
>350,000 >within expectation
So, even moron suits in SE know the situation of the franchise is very fricking bad. Very well, at least they know what's up, hopefully, they have a right solution for it.
This snoys cope has been delicious I must say.
The only news here is that even Square didn't think this would do that well so they stopped themselff rom overshipping massively.
Not when there's hardly any other software available, the software that IS there doesn't sell, and nothing else across the board is vying for consumer attention in ANY console install base.
>There is only 3-4mil PS5's in Japan
3.8 million. More than the 3.5 million ps4's that were around for XV's launch.
XV still sold 700k at launch.
These sale numbers get more pathetic the more context is given.
>There is only 3-4mil PS5's in Japan. 10% acquisition rate is massive.
Bro. The attachment rate of past generations were a lot more impressive. This is a notable decline.
It's cute that the same cope used for FE Engage is being used here. RETAILERS order units in accordance to demand. Also, consider that such an assertion implies one of the lowest shipments of software for the mainline non-sequel entries of the franchise. See the legs in the coming week to determine if it has legs, but everyone likely has their metrics- all of which culminate in this low, low number.
Why are the copers talking as if square didnt already announce the barely 3 million shipped including digital worldwide?
There isn't some surprise region that suddenly bought 20 million PS5's and 15 million copies of "ff" 16.
Post launch marketing strategies is a thing moron lol. Look at horizon which has sold 32m
>Look at horizon which has sold 32m
three games anon >and the Horizon franchise—which consists of Horizon Zero Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, and Horizon Call of the Mountain—has sold through more than 32.7 million units
>250k copies bought out by anonymous individuals and shipped to random residential addresses operated by yakuza to save Yoshi-P from embarrassment
This hack can't take an L like a man.
Has any PS5 exclusive sold over 5 million? Because I'm doubting this is going to be the one to pull it off, there are less than 40 million of these things in the wild.
The thing is XVI is honestly one of the true platform exclusives right now. Sony is only starting to commit to making their first party games PS5 only instead of cross-generation with PS4.
It's funny that Sqaure took the jump before Sony even did.
all discussion of this game will die completely once its no longer "viral" and you tards will move on to whatever big budget slop gets hyped up next, like it happened with every single other game that had zero staying power or cultural impact
Eagerly awaiting your predictable bot response
Hell yesss Yoshi-P sisters, even if the game only sold 337k copies in Japan, we can still twist those numbers so it sounds positive!
Though considering between Japan and the UK they've only sold 360k of the supposed 3million. Are most of the supposed 3million copies just jammed in store shelves and warehouses in the US and Mainland Europe? It plummeting down the Amazon rankings shows week 2 is going to be pretty bad for it.
But they did expect that.
FF15 damaged the brand beyond belief and FF7R only managed to sell 700k on far larger install base.
Just shows that square was smart enough this time around to not overestimate the market
that makes no sense at all. Final Fantasy 14 literally has the biggest trans fanbase of any game in history and Yoshi-P is celebrated by them as a genius. They are the biggest fans of 16 and are currently working on their speedrun routes.
it's a good game
>cinematic evasion
The frick is Culex doing in there?
but my doompost spam!!
So it was undershipped?
it sold more or less the amount of copies that were shipped, which means that it's selling more or less according to expectations
it's neither a huge success nor a tortanic
People aren't going to go searching across dozens of stores for a game, sellthrough that high means it sold out most places
Totally. If something sells like 90% of stocks you failed to realize how hype it would be. I expect 5-7 million comes sold come Christmas and probably 15 million copies next year
See next week to see if it had any legs. If it does, then it's undershipped. If it doesn't, then that's all the demand there is.
I'm what world do you live you moronic frick?
>gets angry at harmless questions
Missed your daily pills again wienersucker
Who the frick cares? Thats information only worthwhile for Square and their shareholders
No normal person cares about game sales
>N-N-N-NO THE SALES DON'T MATTER NOW!!
Yes, they don't matter, and never did. Never understood the obsession with sales. If its a indie game selling well, good on them, I clap. But a big budget company making millions because they put millions into marketing? The frick do I care? Thats for company owners and shareholders, not me.
>Yes, they don't matter
NTA but they do matter. This decides FF's next project. Entertainment companies don't make sequels to their movie, tv show, or game if it didn't make the amount of money they expected it to.
>indie games are good if they sell well
Really, we're excusing shitty indie games now?
Yeah, if a indie game sells well it usually means its above the level of usual indie
Snoys use it as a excuse to have something to brag about their shitboxes. Until the switch ruined that lol
Switch is a completely different market to Playstation. PS5's competition is PS4 and it's winning
>Switch is a completely different market to Playstation.
lol
lmao even
Kind of a childish response. Switch user, you say?
so mad
Again?
>Game sells well
>Developer will likely create games like it are developed in the future, may influence other developers to create similar games if sales are high enough
>Game sells poorly
>Developer will likely create less games like it are developed in the future, may completely kill its franchise or even its entire genre if they're bad enough
More than enough reason to be interested in sales as a consumer
>no the sales are still bad
FTFY
>game succeeds
>Ganker mindbroken
Every time.
>MINDBROKEN MINDBROKEN MINDBROKEN MINDBROKEN
all discussion of this game will die completely once its no longer "viral" and you tards will move on to whatever big budget slop gets hyped up next, like it happened with every single other game that had zero staying power or cultural impact
Eagerly awaiting your predictable bot response
Yup. It's over
>Eagerly awaiting your predictable bot response
VY2AP
>lowest shipments since FF5
kek
Games are nearly all sold, it'll be at 5 million by November
lmao they undershipped to create a false scarcity crisis to fill the waiting lines and make some noise online, and they couldn't even seel all the copies.
I don't get it, are we supposed to be happy because it sold through the entire shipment that's lesser than the mainline one before it? Or is Genki just celebrating like one of those celebration memes?
I don't know, Barry. You tell me.
it means it sold as much as squenix expected it to sell
wether that is acceptable or not depends entirely on your headcanon
>Have low expectations relative to how the franchise usually performs
>Only just barely meet those expectations
What in the frick happened to FF?
Out of touch execs, design by committee, and general exodus of talent from the company.
That's assuming the shipments were Square's expectations and not retailers' expectations.
what a cringe motherfricker
Almost KO'ed lol
Hmm could it be that playstation store and massive digital sales didn't exist years ago? FFXVI sold double that
Copies of games in stores are going but stores didn't order that much so they have a smaller stock. Easy to have a high sell through rate if you're ordering only 100 copies of a game and not 300 or whatever.
7Remake had 30% digital rate in 2020 during the peak covid panic and physical copies were supply constrained.
Residen Evil 8 had 18% digital on launch in Japan.
Around 20-25% is absolute best XVI can hope for.
Black person Japan is pretty much 90% physical unless physical completely sells out for weeks.
>Half of PS5s can't do physical
>d-dude it's 90% physical t-trust me
>Half of PS5s can't do physical
https://www.gematsu.com/2023/06/famitsu-sales-6-19-23-6-25-23
>PlayStation 5 – 71,415 (3,273,600)
>PlayStation 5 Digital Edition – 13,970 (529,583)
>14% is half according to anon
Damn, the game moved 100k consoles too. Not bad.
>100k consoles
80k. More switches were sold than ps5's kek
yeah, I mean last week PS5 sold -15k units, so you can really see that FF16 made the difference
FFXVI selling so well and being received so well means they'll just keep doing ARPG combat.
Sucks, I want CTB back
>so well
It's so sad they accepted the PS5 exclusivity, the game could have sold twice that
>they accepted the PS5 exclusivity
No, afaik SE went to Microsoft and asks what will they offer to get FF16 on their platform, and Microsoft refuse to pay them a single cent.
So it's entirely Microsoft's fault that it's exclusive on PS5.
>SE went to Microsoft and asks what will they offer to get FF16 on their platform
Source?
And no. "Pay me, so I can earn more money!" is not a viable tactic
https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/square-enix-playstation-offered-a-better-deal-than-xbox-for-final-fantasy-16
It's just one of those "insider info", so take it with a grain of salt.
>insider
Literally all made up
Kys
Sounds more like they were looking for a console exclusivity deal since the start and not that it would've been multiplatform, but MS didn't want to pay.
It's also extremely shortsighted. Instead of gowing the fanbase to support the series in the future, they opt for short term exclusivity money
>short term exclusivity money
CEO doesn't get paid or reward for long term profits anymore.
They will get paid the most based on yearly profits.
You know damn well they will kill the golden goose today to get 2 golden eggs than letting it lay 1 egg/day.
This problem will easily be fixed by holding CEO accountable to long term profit/losses
They dont live that long
Mental gymnastic.
>Shop have no confidence on the game
>Stock low copies
>Sold them all
>Mentally ill trannies think that it's a good thing.
>doesn't even sell out the shipped copys
>it did impressive guys
>believe the snoybot plox
The cope around this game is insane. FF7R did triple the number week 1 with only 2 days counted and every title before did 1.5 million week 1 in JP. When FF can barely sell in JP it's an awful sign for the franchise.
>doesn't even sell out the shipped copys
it probably did. red is famitsu's margin for 80% to 100% of copies sold
It probably didn't. Different retailers in different locations will have different amounts of demands reflecting the interest of the surrounding populace. Even in the best case scenario, it's not very reasonable to assume it sold outright. Additionally, the total shipments are likely representative of the projections of demand by the retailers collectively. If this is like other conventional cases, the sales will not pick up and retailers will order only as much as they think seems appropriate. It may just stay in the red forever from now despite selling near double what it already has in a year or so because orders will be made in accordance to demand as opposed to in excess. It's the case with many, many titles. You can see for yourself on the famitsu website.
All the talk of chasing the western audience but Japan seems like the only market where their sales haven't collapsed
the uk is legendary for its dogshit taste. i will wait for the data of the entirety of europe before talking
Barry-samaaa!!!!!
>1. [PS5] Final Fantasy XVI – 336,027
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
SQUEENIX IS DONE
Physical only moron. The fact PS5 didn't beat Switch this week in consoles sales even with the bundle should indicate that a lot of existing PS5 owners bought it digitally
>Thread about physical sell-through
>Prove they shipped pitiful numbers
>B-b-b-b-b-but muh imaginary digital sales!
AHAHAHAHAHAH *wheeze* OHNONONNONONONONONO
STOP ANON, MY SIDES CAN'T TAKE IT
Final Fantasy XVI will sell 5 million before the year is over on PS5 alone. This is such a monumental L for you, you're a laughing stock and all you can do is post frogs. moron
Can't wait to see what the discount price is to get there.
wow I didn't know there were that many Japanese homosexuals.
Yoshi is probably happy as frick. Releasing a successful game that your countrymen love is just on another level. Who the frick cares about """western""" opinions when japs love it
it will sell well in europe too, it's only america and the uk that decided to hate this game
store shelves are packed with this game in EU. am expecting a fast drop to 10 Euro similar to the Horizon games
it's over.
Can we please stop talking about sales? And sales in Japan no less.
How many physical copies were sold? Like a 1,000? That country is irrelevant. They only care about 2 things. Nintendo and gacha.
NOOOOO! I POSTED YOUTUBE WATCH NUMBERS EVERY DAY! I KEPT TELLING YOU NOBODY IS HYPED FOR IT! I WAS TELLING PEOPLE IT WILL FLOP EVERY DAY! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!?
>3.5 million shipped
there's nothing impressive about it, Elden Ring sold over 10 million on pc alone
Elden Ring sold more on PS5/PS4 combined than PC
nah
It did. 41% of sales were PS5 and PS4. PC was only around a third of sales with the rest being xbox
GameStop in Norway made the “ you can preorder the game” on the store excuse because it sold out. Went to 8 different fricking shops. Ended up buying it digital, anyway my point being frick Erna Solberg that fat prostitute. Long love arbeidspartiet
Another day, another bunch of threads filled with seething shitposters upset a game they never played is successful. Never gets old.
Does anyone else see this game selling 20+ like spider man and god of war ? I remember them selling like 3 million also during their first week and those game were bundle with the ps4
There arent even 20mil PS5s out there, so no. Obviously not.
PS5 has sold 38 million, it will be at 50 million by the end of the year. Steam release is spring/summer 2024
>scalper stocks /=/ PS5s available for people to play on
I'd be surprised if half of those 38mil are actually installed at someone's home.
Scalping has been over since the start of the year, PS5 had a big sales boom in spring because there were a lot more available. Production will go up for Christmas. It's not an issue, you can go on any big website and buy one now
No. GOW won game of year and Spider-Man is a mainstream franchise to give it more legs. I think FFXVI will end up doing around 10 million
I see it doing 20 million during the life time cycle of ps5
People alway underestimate Yoshi-p. He had a 18 month sale plans which he will follow. I can easily see it crushing ff15 sales. 16-17 million I believe will be after the 18 month is done
>People alway underestimate Yoshi-p. He had a 18 month sale plans which he will follow. I can easily see it crushing ff15 sales. 16-17 million I believe will be after the 18 month is done
If he had post-launch ideas that would make it the best selling Final Fantasy game instead of the lowest launch since FFV on the SNES? Why the hell wouldn't those ideas be in the game to begin with?
*for a mainline non-sequel entry
Post launch marketing strategies is a thing moron lol. Look at horizon which has sold 32m
Why are you referring to Horizon's entire IP sales in this discussion?
horizon was shilled to hell by Sony, given for free on ps+ and bundled on multiple PS4 offerings (specially with discounts and other games). Sony made a fricking statue to alloy
Spending 220 million dollar on just development without double that in marketing only to then force bundla and give it away for "free" in psn+ after 2 months is not a "post launch marketing strategy".
I will buy it next month, didn't have the money. FFXVI will take some time to reach its greatness.
>350,000
>within expectation
So, even moron suits in SE know the situation of the franchise is very fricking bad. Very well, at least they know what's up, hopefully, they have a right solution for it.
This snoys cope has been delicious I must say.
The only news here is that even Square didn't think this would do that well so they stopped themselff rom overshipping massively.
>300k copies in a country with a 125 million population
>this is somehow something worth celebrating
now look up how many people own a ps5 in japan
There is only 3-4mil PS5's in Japan. 10% acquisition rate is massive.
Not when there's hardly any other software available, the software that IS there doesn't sell, and nothing else across the board is vying for consumer attention in ANY console install base.
>There is only 3-4mil PS5's in Japan
3.8 million. More than the 3.5 million ps4's that were around for XV's launch.
XV still sold 700k at launch.
These sale numbers get more pathetic the more context is given.
*3,745,023 PS4s. That may not include the Pro, but that's a difference of like 95K, I think.
>There is only 3-4mil PS5's in Japan. 10% acquisition rate is massive.
Bro. The attachment rate of past generations were a lot more impressive. This is a notable decline.
It's cute that the same cope used for FE Engage is being used here. RETAILERS order units in accordance to demand. Also, consider that such an assertion implies one of the lowest shipments of software for the mainline non-sequel entries of the franchise. See the legs in the coming week to determine if it has legs, but everyone likely has their metrics- all of which culminate in this low, low number.
Why are the copers talking as if square didnt already announce the barely 3 million shipped including digital worldwide?
There isn't some surprise region that suddenly bought 20 million PS5's and 15 million copies of "ff" 16.
>Lowest FF shipment since 1991
>Couldn't even sell all
Wasn't expecting FF to be completely dead in Japan.
This guy is a blatant sony shill
In what way?
He will praise anything that comes from sony, especially FF
FF is neither developed nor published by snoy
VII was published by sony
i don't see VII in the op
I don't see XVI in that post either
theybe
>Look at horizon which has sold 32m
three games anon
>and the Horizon franchise—which consists of Horizon Zero Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, and Horizon Call of the Mountain—has sold through more than 32.7 million units
>250k copies bought out by anonymous individuals and shipped to random residential addresses operated by yakuza to save Yoshi-P from embarrassment
This hack can't take an L like a man.
Has any PS5 exclusive sold over 5 million? Because I'm doubting this is going to be the one to pull it off, there are less than 40 million of these things in the wild.
Not a one that we know of unless you count the pack in that technically sold nothing.
Not that I heard off so far. Perhaps this will break the mold though
Every PS5 comes with Astros Cope Room so that game sold 30 million!
The thing is XVI is honestly one of the true platform exclusives right now. Sony is only starting to commit to making their first party games PS5 only instead of cross-generation with PS4.
It's funny that Sqaure took the jump before Sony even did.
Tortanicsisters.... This can't be happening....
UHHH FLOPBROS!?!?!? WHAT THE HECK?!?!?
Hell yesss Yoshi-P sisters, even if the game only sold 337k copies in Japan, we can still twist those numbers so it sounds positive!
>mindbroken
We don't sign our posts here
>"Ha! We expected to sell less than half of FFXV"
Though considering between Japan and the UK they've only sold 360k of the supposed 3million. Are most of the supposed 3million copies just jammed in store shelves and warehouses in the US and Mainland Europe? It plummeting down the Amazon rankings shows week 2 is going to be pretty bad for it.
But they did expect that.
FF15 damaged the brand beyond belief and FF7R only managed to sell 700k on far larger install base.
Just shows that square was smart enough this time around to not overestimate the market
that makes no sense at all. Final Fantasy 14 literally has the biggest trans fanbase of any game in history and Yoshi-P is celebrated by them as a genius. They are the biggest fans of 16 and are currently working on their speedrun routes.