Hype?
Sounds pretty neat
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I could not possibly give less of a shit
>looks at what they did when they revisted spelljammer
I'm gonna go out back and "Of Mice And Men" Dark Sun and Planescape real quick, can you guys get me a drink for when I come back?
You can’t do anything worse to Dark Sun than 4e already did
4e Dark Sun was good, frick you, I hope you drown.
least deluded 4rry
4th ed Dark Sun was much better than late era AD&D Dark Sun where the dragon and like half the sorcerer-kings were dead.
>Just don’t use it
That’s what 4th ed tells you to do.
4rries are mentally ill.
WOTC: Hold my $17 gluten free lite artisinal "beer"...
It was fine.
>tell me about the rabbit-folk George
>roll to touch pretty lady’s hair
>Nat 1
>snap her neck instead
Well played Steinbeck anon.
Ah, yes, another fond memory exhumed and desecrated in the name of greed and current-year agenda.
what's even the appeal of planescape for nu-d&d gays? in terms of what 5egays actually care about when playing the game it offers nothing different from the other kitchen sink settings, and there's no way in hell they'll actually read the lore and explore sigil's history.
Name recognition for Planescape: Torment. 5e is running heavily on pseudo-nostalgia.
Even more tieflings
But will people actually want to play tieflings in the only setting where mass tiefling males sense?
Yes? Have you actually played at a table with any of these people? They don't play tieflings because they're special in the world as imagined at large, otherwise they wouldn't play them in the first place, it's because they're special in the solipsistic paradise that is their own mind.
I would have, but hate their nu-design and fluff. OG tieflings were the best.
I miss the tiefling tables.
I also wish they'd made one for aasimar
Rolled 56, 22, 30, 70, 90 = 268 (5d100)
Here're my Tiefling abilities!
Rolled 4 (1d4)
>Detect Thoughts
>Know Alignment
>Infravision
>Half damage from cold
>+2 save vs cold
Well this is pretty awesome, not gonna lie, thanks Satan.
Rolled 23, 80, 10, 94 = 207 (4d100)
How terrible do I look?
You're en fuego, friend.
Rolled 86, 22 = 108 (2d100)
>Fangs
>Black Eyes
>Scaly skin
Rolled 17 (1d100)
>Blue-tinted skin
>Anime nose
Yeah, I'm charming.
This was my biggest disappointment when I saw tieflings in 3rd edition, of course little did I know it would lead to many more as the NuTieflings got super popular and homogenized to be super bland .
Their attempt to make a PG-13 happy go lucky Sigil knockoff (The Radiant Citadel) was a colossal failure so know they are forced to go back to the genuine article and no doubt bastardize it in the process
The Greyhawk Rebooted thread talks quite a bit about what and why they're doing silly shit with IPs right now.
tl;dr: They're trying to secure the IP equivalent of adverse possession because nuTSR almost successfully challenged them in court.
nuTSR didn't necessarily have a win, but the fact a potentially real challenge exists terrifies the corporate overlords.
That thread is also full of people who know nothing of law and I would take everything they say with a grain of salt.
I remember all of the discussions around new OGL and all of the fake lawyers discussing what was and wasn't copyrightable. Good times.
This was mostly in the context of the fact that most of what the OGL tried to cover was not, in fact, copyrightable, and whether or not consenting to use the OGL could give Wizards a claim on your material if they didn't have one before
Those people are moronic and ignore the reality of what life in the TTRPG space actually is like and was like in the 90's to 2000s. It doesn't matter if you can win something theoretically in court (not a guarantee especially depending on your jurisdiction) if the lawsuit will bankrupt you in the process, just look at what happened to Chapterhouse even after they beat GW on a sizable portion of the claimed counts of infringement.
The reason EVERYBODY was using OGL shit and d20 in the 2000s is because it was a guarantee they wouldn't get sued and could just make their shit worry free, which is a huge deal when most of these companies amount to basically a couple dudes in a basement with no money to hire a dedicated legal team.
It's the same reason nobody bothers toughing it out for multiple years and legal fees and court cases every time something on YouTube gets copyright strikes even if they have a convincing argument what they did is fair use, just because some frickwit on Ganker says you can legally win a case is irrelevant in light of PHYSICAL REALITY that you can't afford to shut down your business for years every time a litigation hound like WOTC or GW or whoever else comes barking.
>t. someone who actually went to law school
Lawyers aren't fricking cheap. The OGL was so successful because it let people sleep at night comfortable they'd never have to pay for one. "You can't copyright rules, man" is incredibly naive when we live in a world where homosexuals get sued just for using the word "saga" in their game
Thankfully, us BattleTech fans know this intimately, since one of the core events in the game's history was a spurious lawsuit followed by FASA staying away from the IP in question (even though they'd mostly won) just to prevent the risk of getting sued by someone with deep pockets instead of a serial IP troll.
It's simple. Trademarks and flavor text are enforceable. Everything else is shaky.
Of course they might feel threatened by that moron, Justin LaNasa, but he'll destroy his own plans soon enough.
The Lady of Pain will be revealed to be transgender
Sigil will be revealed to be an allegory for the patriarchy and the glass ceiling holding down women (in this case, the Lady of Pain, a troony) who will tear it down at the end of the campaign to liberate feminism (also to let the refugees in)
There’s nothing in the lady of pains backstory that suggests she isn’t transgender and that she didn’t build sigil as a refuge for queer people from chuddy gods
>we can't make a good original setting
YTYM
>nostalgia sells better then original content
HTH, HAND
I very much doubt they will return to my personal favorite old campaign setting, and I'm not going to give them any ideas.
Oh, don't worry, they'll get to Dragonlance soon enough.
I feel like 90% of everything these days is just trying to cash in on nostalgia with shit remakes and reboots.
I am just hungry for something new bros…
"Evil can't create, it can only corrupt and destroy."
That Tolkien quote gets trotted out so much for the gaygiest little causes. Thank god Tolkien fantasy is dead and mogged by GRRM fantasy.
And yet you're incapable of refuting it.
Funny.
It's hard to refute a truism, which is the point, they're obvious and annoying.
It's not even a real quote he said.
You seem like the kind of person who cannot enjoy something that isn't bogged down by real world angst.
I pity you.
Nobody cares about GRRM’s books anymore.
>mogged
GRRM got blown so far the frick out by the terrible ending to his life's work--written for him by a pair of moronic israelites from Hollywood--that he isn't even going to finish his own books. Tolkien has NEVER been mogged. His relationship with every fantasy other since the beginning has been his knee on their necks like that heroin addict who died a few years ago and everyone pretended he didn't deserve it and it was murder and stuff. It's really that one sided.
Every dissident fantasy author from Moorwiener to Martin has been BUCK BROKEN so utterly that they can't even try to overthrow it through conventional means, they can't outflank it because LOTR the movie series is the best fantasy film series ever made, just as Lord of the Rings is the best fantasy book series ever written.
Its one weakness is TV series, and really that's a problem nobody can get past because if you let anyone to the Left of Mussolini write a TV series these days it's going to be homosexuals, trannies, various brown people, and ugly women frowning at the camera. Martin can get away with that because his worlds are ugly to begin with. Tolkien has to be treated seriously because it depicts actual beauty instead of subverting it.
Cool it there with the antisemitism.
The only something new they can make are Rick and morty supplements. Modern dnd is creatively bankrupt and the writers consider the fantasy genre to be a joke.
Dolmenwood just hit the oven why anyone would care about shitty hehash settings?
Is that why they attacked this?
https://www.patreon.com/RVNCREATIVE
What time was it?
>Forgotten Realms is still the default setting
>Still not comprehensive Forgotten Realms campaign setting book
Sword coast adventures
he said comprehensive. SCAG is pitiful.
Forgotten Realms is fricking huge. The Sword Coast book barely covers the fricking Sword Coast and has little of use for running a whole campaign.
that's neat but i doubt they could add anything more to the setting past 2e's and some lore changes with the Blood War and all because normalgays can't get past the same lame elves and dwarves milequetoast settings considering how much they eat up Sword Coast in comparison to other settings. the best case scenario imo is that they kept them all just intact or slightly altered to fit 5e and rerelease the campaigns (Great Modron March, Dead Gods etc).
More shitting on old settings. People excited for this are either just AI prompts, trolls or corporate shills.
>Mystranna
>Dragondildo
>Afro Sun
I'll pass, thanks
If they even attempt to redo Mystara faithfully to the original, they'll be swamped by accusations of cultural appropriation. The entire point of Mystara is that all the different fantasy realms are directly based on simple snapshots of different real life cultures from different real life times.
At least we know they'll barely fricking touch Greyhawk with a 10 foot pole
They better not
I WANT NEW PLANESCAPE MINIS AND NEW DARK SUN MINIS THATS ALL I WANT!!!!
and no I will not play with 5e bullshit I will stick with 2e I just want new minis
Get a 3D printer. There's a Dark Sun range of minis over at myminifactory and I'm sure Planescape one is only a matter of time.
>2e
>minis
yes
Pretty soon you will be able to play as Gygax himself. And he will be a black transgender only.
>revisit
They mean revise, as in the lore
Welp time to make Lady of Pain a god slaying girl boss
Flayed.
Mazed.
I mean she already was, it just wasn't annoying because she never talked and couldn't insert quips.
>Hype?
Other than you being a homosexual and a shill, there is no reason to.
>b-but...
But what? A company that has no actual rights to those settings is doing the classic "25 years of dormant IP, let's grab it before anyone figures out they can too". All that's happening is a corporation securing for chump change IPs they originally couldn't afford.
If they don't care for anything else than the copyright, why should anyone care at all then?
Look at what they did to Dark Sun in 4e and Spelljammer in 5e. I want WotC and nuD&Dogshit writers to go and stay go forever. Everything they decide to touch turns to shit.
>D&D will ruin classic campaign settings
ftfy
What did they do to spelljammer?
Took the name and general idea, then published a half-assed book about it that's just meh/10, along with bleaching and sanding-off anything that isn't "generic DnD IN SPESS!"
Also, no rules for Spelljammer fights and maneuvers in space.
They released a boxed set of three "books" with less than a hundred pages each, with minimal lore and no fricking rules about spelljammer combat, despite vehicle combat and naval combat rules being published in previous modules.
>Rebooted and retconned for 5e audiences! HECKIN EPIC!
By the gods I hope they don't touch Birthright. I can see it now:
>First page is trigger warnings about feudalism
>Being blooded is watered down to the point where they get their powers by holding office
>Democratically elected rulers will become blooded just because
>Khinasi are 100% black and the most peaceful people on Cerilia
>Every other culture except the Vos are diverse
>The Vos are irredeemably evil and are exclusively blondes with blue eyes
>Awnshegh aren't actually evil, bigot!
>Birthright halfling abilities will be handed to a racially diverse team of planeswalkers which contains no halflings
>More female rulers
>More "female" rulers
>Openly gay rulers
>No rules for mass combat
>No rules for running a realm
>Half-arsed rules for powers
>Magician class will be inexplicably powerful compared to core classes
>¾ of the credits are the marketing team
>Rich Baker being congratulated will be the first he hears about it. He will be credited in the book precisely once in fine print for legal reasons.
>Entire first printing will be recalled after a single person on twitter.com decides some minor detail is insensitive
>>The Vos are irredeemably evil and are exclusively blondes with blue eyes
Pretty sure they already were
Also I'm so desperate for setting getting another chance, I would agree for that
>Magician class will be inexplicably powerful compared to core classes
That's always a good change. Anything that brings casters to true glory is welcome.
They would have too re-write too much to even bother, especially since Birthright is obscure at this point unless you watch Matt Cuckvile.
Birthright would be an excellent setting for regular adventures, but would also allow them to get back in on things like mass combat and realm management. It actually makes sense to make it, if just to choke the life out of the few competitors doing the same.
So take a screenshot you may have just predicted the future.
They didn’t even use the mass combat UA for Dragonlance.
Didn't they slap together some shitty boardgame you were supposed to buy and play through for the war segments? Except spoilers for the campaign were written in the boardgame's rulebook, so you had to be careful about actually learning to play.
I feel like a revived Dragonlance could be fine. It's hard to frick it up.
They will find a way.
They tried already, released a new adventure book, which also had to double as the setting guide and the player options book because modern Wizards realized they can triple dip since the player-base will consume even the most anemic content now.
It was meh for 5e content, a few interesting ideas but not fleshed out enough to really be useful.
Beyond that there was also a new Dragonlance book trilogy but due to friction and controversy over Hickman and Wizards clashing direction and standards (I know they were at least a few rewrites on account of wizards shifting moral standards) leading to full on legal conflict, the actual releases of the books were brushed under the rug and promptly forgotten.
They already did and they fricked it up.
>https://dnd.wizards.com/products/dragonlance
>The adventure is unremarkable and boring
>New novels re-tread War of the Lance but the protagonist is a time-traveling black woman
>The "wargame" is uninspired
>The existence of the lunar sorcerer subclass confirmed that powercreep to sell player options is a thing
>No restrictions on classes and organizations. You take a feat once you qualify so your dwarven eldritch knight can join one of the orders of High Sorcery or your kender trickery cleric can join the Knights of Solamnia
>Kender aren't kleptos any more. They just magic odds and ends into their hands at random
>Dungeons and Dragons will murder classic campaign settings
Whatever the opposite of hype is, I'm feeling that.
>modern WotC
>shitting up old settings
This is gonna blow.
Well if it's gonna be like Spelljammer it's gonna be shit.
I'm not even sure why changed the type of product for settings to this weird three 60page book boxset. The Eberron setting was just one book and was really well done.
The new art is shit. Even the ones done by the same artist which is shocking.
Digital tools make traditional artists lazy.
Seems like a different artist. Also notice how they cover up part of the character with paper. Either to show less cleavage or so he doesn't have to draw as much. I have no hopes for the rules because it's 5e and no hope for even an interesting setting because WoTC have told white men to frick off out of the hobby.
Thanks for posting this, but the little scrap of paper held in two hands is really good, it makes her look more clueless.
Her corset is showing less skin, but that's because her jugs are bigger, with less space between them. I wouldn't complain.
it is the same artist 19 years later.
It looks like a style issue, not a skill issue. I suspect that he was told to do a "more conventional" style.
I'm pretty sure it's the same artist but they probably told him to match the style of the rest of the edition, at least somewhat. Because WotC would never want to do something interesting like have a unique aesthetic for a specific setting, that's very strange and unusual, because that might push new audiences away. WotC would prefer to use the fantasy equivalent of the multicolor corporate blob people, rather than risk driving people away when they're trying to market their schlock.
Mind you, I'm sure DiTerlizzi's art has changed some over the years, but he's also kept up the practice of doing that same general aesthetic for a lot of the children's books he makes. I mean, what we have now is a sort of middle ground that I think actually looks decent and much better than most 5e art. It's entirely possible that even if he tried he couldn't exactly match the old art. I'm just certain that WotC wouldn't want him to, even if he could.
Greywoke soon
Nah multiple parts of Greyhawk are owned by Gygax's next of kin.
Can we trust this next of kin will protect it from becoming tranified?
No.
See Tolkien estate and black Numenor.
You people are so fake.
What?
>Hype
No
They will waterdown and make everything neuter everything for the rainbow freaks on twitter.
>Hype?
None. If anything, I dread what they're going to do to it.
>I hate all popular mainstream games!!
>So obviously that means I post on the traditional games section all the time.
Ganker has ruined so many lives. Fricking rockstop
>WotC shill can't make a coherent post
My dude, the original AD&D Planescape was cool. WotC already fricked up Spelljammer and Dragonlance, there's no reason to think this will be any different.
p sure planescape came out after wotc obtained the d&d license kiddo. fricking rockstop
>UMM UH ACKSHUALLY there's no way Disney could frick up Marvel movies because they made decent ones already after they acquired the rights
I accept your concession
Are you literally fricking moronic? Even the most basic ass google search will tell you TSR published planescape in 1994 and WOTC bought them in 1997. Jesus fricking christ
>Redhead on the left, like, "Yeah, she could flay me."
>pic
fellas?
Spelljammer sucked
Ravenloft sucked
Why would Planescape be any different?
Go shill WotC in reddit, moron.
have there been any full settings since eberron?
They had the OG Dragonlance people writing dragonlance again and they still managed to frick that shit up.
How will this be any different?
>Fricked up spelljammer
>raped Ravenloft to pieces
You're all posting doom and gloom, but given WotC's track record with recent setting books, the "revisit" will have maybe two paragraphs of information about the setting and a half-baked module. It won't be terrible because it will be absolutely nothing. Don't buy it.
Is this fricking b***h blushing at the LoP?
Honestly, Planet Escape wasn't THAT good in the first place.
It's fun to read about, but not thrilling to play compared to any other setting, it's cramped.
And that was the original. Clearly wotcucks will only ruin whatever good it had so it completely loses all flavour and atmosphere. There will be no other outcome.
>Honestly, Planet Escape wasn't THAT good in the first place.
It's going to be Pure gold Compared to whatever WOTC is making. Disney made people appreciate the Fricking Prequels.
Prequels advantage was that at least Lucas knew what story he wanted to tell since first one, he just sucked at being director. But he clearly knew what he wanted to show.
While settings always were mix of different authors views and contributions, so no big difference if wizards revisit any of them
It's true that the Dnd has through multiple different writers but I would argue just like Lovecraft and Howard or Tolkien and Lewis they were all part of the same artistic scene. They all have very different styles and ideas but they came out of love for the fantasy genre and not some intern who openly hates the source material and just got the job because of the network in abilities on Tumblr. Which let's be honest is probably what we're gonna get.
I've heard it said that the Prequels are "A good story told poorly." While the films themselves were bad, all the worldbuilding and designs and concepts were great, and the projects SURROUNDING the prequels were much better (the games, cartoons, and such).
My own take is this:
Prequels: Too much autism
Sequels: Too little autism
Originals: the autism was juuuust right, because George was there. but on a leash.
My go-to example is the flying B2-Bomber clone partybus in Attack of the Clones; George sat down and thought to himself "well, there's going to be lots of ground battles and mass troop deployments, so there has to be some kind of flying troop deployer. I'll rip off something from WW2 and give it a big cargo hold and it'll make for a great toy that kids can stick their action figures inside of and fly it around making woosh and pew-pew noises."
In Force Awakens, First Order troopers attack with air support on that tavern planet. What do they have for air support? Some sort of Apache Helicopter equivalent? What does the Nu-Empire use for an attack helicopter?
Oh, it's tie fighters. Because that's what F16s are for, strafing attacks on infantry.
>14 pages of half-assed rules, including a handful of spells to make casters more powerful, 2 highly situational feats that make niche weapons that nobody uses actively worse just so that we can say they did something for martials, a background that's just a re-skin of one from the PHB, 20 pages of "diverse" character clipart on otherwise blank sheets, and 40 pages of retconning your favorite setting to be more woke.
>Preorder for $60
Oh no. How will they forcibly insert diversity and perversion into Ghostwalk?
That's easy, trans ghost. And because implying there are any issues with going trans, the spirit will perfectly present as female, but go on and on about having been born a man when they were alive.
>be troony
>41%
>restless spirit is clearly male with dark aura streaks
>local chud necromancers STILL poke fun at you
Why unlive?
ghosts can't kill themselves, anon
Suicide by paladin is always an option.
Thousands of ghost dicks that cannot rest until their corporeal form is slain.
None. Wizards of the Coast's recent releases were complete garbage.
>Reimagined for a modern audience
Dark Sun when?
You know they're going to frick it up the hardest.
I do not want ESG bullshit sanitizing Greyhawk and Dark Sun especially.
They already said no, they could just redo the 4E book and change the stats but they decided no.
The Spelljammer book has the monsters because they had a collapsing planet there they were originally going to be Athas but they held off just in case.
Is Greyhawk Rebooted any good? I read a little bit of the PDF and was put off by how the author said he was going to JJ Abrams it. Otherwise everything else seemed fine tbh, making the Baklunish more pre-Islamic Arab and Persian is way cooler than just making them Muslims. Maybe I'm just skimming over it though.
>the author said he was going to JJ Abrams it
Holy frick, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Gygax is the creator of Greyhawk and I would only use supplements written or endorsed by him.
Like I'd trust this current spineless crop to do Dark Sun any justice.
With current writers? No thanks
Midnight needs to be revisited