I can't believe I live in a world where I am seeing PoE die in real time.
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It survived way longer than it really should have. It didn't have enough to stand on its own when it first released, and subsequent updates just didn't do well. Path of Exile was one of those free games you play for a month during a content drought and then drop once a better game finally dropped. That's not to say I didn't have fun back then; I still remember playing a barbarian (or whatever the buff dude was) and using two wands to be a drummer from hell. Good times.
this
but also, the new update is good imo. granted this is coming from a player who hasn't played since Delve, so maybe I'm just seeing things with fresh eyes and haven't been around for a large number of patches full of garbage, but I'm enjoying it
You are enjoying it because you haven't played in years and are probably still in the early game, where you notice nothing yet.
if you arent in red maps your opinion is worthless and you should shut the frick up
if you haven't killed maven then your opinion is worthless and you should shut the frick up
show it then
hasnt the game been "dying" for a while now
you also live in a world where men mutilate their genitals willingly for attention
ssfhc is all that matters. you didn't beat the game if you played any other way.
yfw this is actually the best league ever for SSF infinite heist bros
no it fricking isn't lmao. Heist hasn't changed in like 4 leagues.
All the HC SSF bros are shitting on this trash heap of a patch.
Why lie? Did you hope nobody would know? LOL
because they aren't heist gigachads
>only stuff that is currently rewarding to you are flat drops like legion chests, blight chests, heists etc that have a pre-set drop table not affected by killing a mob.
if you are a map troony you are literally failing at life
post your Atlas tree with you typing "Chris Wilson has moneypox" in chat. You can black out your name.
You won't. I know why. You know why.
Fricking LARPing gayootBlack person lmao
reddit sneed meltdown moment
So many players did not come back today I cannot wait to see what this looks like as of today. Straight up sub 50% retention for the first time LOL
link?
can't link it because Ganker is gay as shit but google PoEDB league Chart
first result, button all the way on the right that says 'League Chart'
The game is better than ever. It's a skill issue. PoE has been too easy for years. Free rides are over, time to use your brain.
How is removing drops and making Archnemesis enemies have 1000x HP a skill issue?
Because you said the game was too easy and boring, now you're complaining.
>enemies have HP!!!!!!!1
Lol what did you spend all that time in path of building for? Why isn't your damage good if you only need 1 key to delete a screen full of mobs?
Who are you quotting?
>why isn't your damage good
because
>skill i enjoy nerfed to worthless
>enemy hp increased
anyway those were 2 different guys and i'm a third one moron
>vapid grindfest
>"use your brain"
kek freaking W
>say they'll make lakes better
>they're still fricking dogshit even at t12
yeah, this league is a complete wash. if they don't revert this quantity change the game will literally be dead. half the mechanics in the game are worthless now and maps cannot be sustained.
>even with this shitshow of a league, sheep still defend their bald master and his creation
How do you go by your normal day when you're this blind?
Contrarianism is a disease.
you have brainworms
The only threads I ever see of this game is people claiming its dead/dying.
tortanic trannies gonna tortanic
It's real this time. 47% rating currently on Steam.
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You people need to stop thinking about trannies all day.
It was dying from blood loss from being stabbed in non vital areas multiple times. This league just shot it in the head.
Even the shilliest of no life poe shills whi constantly ride the developer dick can't defend it anymore.
Except for this thread of course, because you need to be a cool contrarian in front of your fellow Gankerners.
The fact that this many players are still playing in the light of absolutely catastrophic unannounced changes to the fundamental quant/rarity system makes it an objective fact that they don't give a frick or are too fricking ignroant to be aware of anything besides the cookie clicker addiction we all suffer from.
And the fact that those players haven't snapped out of it to get angry just means the game isn't necessarily dead. It can still be carried by morons. And because we don't know how many of those fricking people are paying for MTX we can't know if GGG has any incentive to unfrick themselves (especially when the frick-ups are marrow deep). The streamer exodus doesn't mean frick-all if GGG knows those audiences lost here don't spend any money in the first place.
This isn't the first fricking time they've lost money and despite that kept to the course.
I'm playing but very casually, only in act 5 so far. It's been a while since I played and it seems fine for me but I realize why everyone is pissed. Also they really need to remove the dead ends in the campaign, it's so fricking stupid
>I realize why everyone is pissed
Do you really though?
Yeah, reading all the posts and watching the videos
I think I'll truly see in maps, for me it seems like leveling is the same, but harder than I remember.. prob because of the early game changes and the Archnemesis mobs are stupidly strong. Why is a rare stronger than the unique monster in the zone? That's a failure of game design right there..
>It's been a while since I played
You obviously lack the context of what has been lost. And to be honest, if you can enjoy yourself enjoy yourself. There's nothing wrong with enjoying it but you really have no idea what is going on.
You're just PoE's core user, someone who quits and comes back, just how Chris designs and plans the game for people like you. The people who live and breathe this game see it all in a different way because they don't have the memory gaps Chris expects from people like you.
Nobody killed the game but GGG. They shot themselves in the foot so many times it finally became gangrenous and spread.
content bloat is real
crafting is cancerous
currency bloat is real
every time I feel like coming back I realize I have to spend at least 30% of my time outside the game looking at items to buy
t. filtered b***h baby, stick to watching streams
>filtered
no, I spent 30 minutes tweaking the filter on the trade sites to find the exact gear I need to grind for broski! epic gameplay
>t. quin/steelmage twitch chat emote spammer
>muh e-celebs
way to self report
>acts like a twitch chatter spamming the thread with low effort nigposts
>seethes when called out for it
lmfao go outside moron
>projecting
>headcanon
reddit is for tertiary twitchtroony brainlets parroting e-celeb opinions like yourself
leave, you aren't welcome
>tumblr pop-psychology buzzwords
>calling anyone else a troony
you're frickin gay LMAO
I thought you were kidding but didnt it just drop a new act
oof!
Yeah on Friday.
>poe die
>being killed by its fanbase, rather than the devs
Devs know what's best for the game long term. In terms of an actual cohesive game and vision. They're planning ahead and know what's coming.
The players can't even see a week in the future. Where they might drop the game on a whim to play some shitty remaster.
They just want ice cream and candy. GGG put the sprinkles and cookie crumbs behind the counter. Because shitters were just smothering the ice cream.
And players gawk when some frickers that have been eating a scoop of ice cream with fricking handfuls of sprinkles can no longer do that.
Frick Reddit. Frick Streamers. Frick new literal zoomer playerbase. Frick Harvest. Frick Chris Wolcen for ever caving in the first place(not FFA loot).
Reddit and Streamers have become literal Hollywood celebrity gossip garbage.
didn't read
remove your reddit spacing next time
Go back to sucking dudes off in public restrooms, Chris
Why do people even care about drop rates when this shit resets like every 3 months and you lose it all anyway?
What's the point of making it grindy if it's all getting lost in 3 months either? Nobody plays standard.
P L A Y E R R E T E N T I O N
The is exactly the problem with the Vision. They want people to grind out getting BiS over the course of 3 months on 1 character when no one wants to fricking do that. It's a fricking ARPG, not an MMO.
Enjoy your 5k max player game buddy, because I'm sorry but people play arpgs for loot.
You can post dumb pictures and go
>nooo this is bad look too much loot
But it's literally all dogshit, that picture is equivalent to 0 loot still. No meaningful improvements in the quality of loot, constant nerfs to crafting - the only way to ever get anything that isn't garbonzo - refusal to actually balance the game because it takes work and they're too lazy to code how different modifiers interact and have lists of what is allowed to interact and what isn't, trying to create a shitshow where you die in 0.3 seconds but simultaneously have to fight monsters that resist 90% of your damage, turn the screen into touhou and move 5x faster than you whilst attacking 20 times a second, which doesn't actually matter cause any one of those is gonna kill you anyway, is fundamentally dogshit design that nobody can interact with lol.
There have been lots of arpgs over the past 25+ years, and not a single one of them has balanced and designed like poe because they weren't moronic and knew it would be death for their game.
>enjoy your 5k max player game
Good. I'd take old Hardcore Trade over POE 2 anyday.
I just pity the people who didn't get to experience it.
And just how much people take for granted an actual stable launch and fast queues.
Where people ignore most Streamers are burnt out and miserable for whatever reason, and gauntlet and having played the same game forever. Thus all take the chance to vent and go off on a boogeyman to feel good about something.
While the top tier streamers(as in actual gameskill) b***h because it's harder and longer to get OP gear.
Spell Surpession was a mistake. The 85% max res shit was a mistake. Divines into Exalts is interesting change, but players cry at change and just want to exploit more of their op shit.
>While the top tier streamers(as in actual gameskill) b***h because it's harder and longer to get OP gear.
>Spell Surpession was a mistake. The 85% max res shit was a mistake.
You are stupid. Do you know what the actual mistake was? Consistently repeated failure at game design and game balance that led to these things being a necessity to actually play the game in the first place. Uber tristram has less gear and defensive requirements than just normal gameplay in red maps in poe, because it's fricking stupid and designed in a lazy vacuum and just thrown into the roulette wheel regardless of how it interacts.
GGG are obsessed with their spreadsheets, and it is to the detriment of EVERYTHING else about the game and player experience.
it'll never die as long as the turbo autists keep playing.
we run this shit
zoomtrannies out
>it's a Ganker can only say troony and reddit thread
>brainwormed reddit troony left with nothing but twitter reaction images to post
hate to see it happen
>completely self unaware newbie post
lol
lmao even
>absolute nothing burger post
keep proving my point, moron
if you just went to your local gay bar you could have a troon suck you off and get it over with
we're all tired of hearing you newbies spam your fetish word like a broken record
>immediately starts describing his deepest darkest troony groomer ERP fantasies
holy fricking embarrassing
>he names more troony shit and troony memes while claiming he's not obsessed
LOL you can't make this shit up
fricking fetish homosexual
can someone fill me in? why are people upset?
massive loot nerf that wasn't even in the patch notes
>can someone fill me in?
No
Use this opportunity to bemoan the lack of credible games journalism in the industry.
he doesn't dickride GGG nor does he go off halfwienered, if you actually care
They made rare mobs take 5 minutes to kill while completely gutting the drop rates for items and nerfing harvest again.
You were getting shit items before, but now you get even less.
The worst part that they kinda lied about it, then doubled down and said it's working as intended.
Mega map juicers who pump currenly into maps barely get anything in return now. Currency barely drops now.
On top of that they switched the roles of divines and exalts and while you had multiple ways of getting exalts before via shards and cards, you have nothing for divines.
But what about the 6 link vendor recipe you ask? Changed to 20 fusings lmao you didn't actually think you can have good things?
It's the great PoE depression.
doesn't harder loot mean that the game is harder and that you actually need to play through the content now? Like in general items should just be more expensive and each tier of content should be harder.. seems like a good thing
No, because harder enemies doesn't mean better loot and that's the issue. Their dream """vision""" is to make it like that, but that would mean rewarding players and they can't have that. They just drop less loot overall, but it's still all 100% trash.
ok fair enough. I'm a poe noob so i'm just trying to get a grasp on things. I wish I could understand the game but there is a lot of shit going on
>I wish I could understand the game but there is a lot of shit going on
Yep, cause they're dogshit at design and let it get this way. It should be relatively easy to pick up and understand a game, like the basics, why you're dying, how to progress etc.
The monsters that they made 50x harder don't drop 50x better loot, they drop the exact same shit - occasionally with a couple of 6 links every few days if you get lucky.
They desperately cling to this "any item can roll any value!" shit, so almost everything you find no matter what is unusable dogshit with 3 life on it because a certain level of certain types of stats is completely mandatory to even play the game, but ggg want that mandatory level to be somehow insanely hard to get let alone anything not mandatory.
They are genuinely bad game designers, they are good at pr and marketing and nothing else.
Chris' "vision" is that people will pick up items on the ground to use as incremental upgrades while they work towards crafting a better item
Unfortunately he decided to nerf crafting and the number of items that are dropped into the ground
Now this wouldn't be a bad thing if they improved the quality of the loot that dropped but they didn't. 1/10000000 items ID'd off the ground will be somewhat usable but every other item is absolute trash that's not even worth the time spent identifying
>Chris' "vision" is that people will pick up items on the ground to use
>put good Talis in the game
>loot 2.0
>"NOOO THEY ARE USING THEM!"
>remove them
>kill loot 2.0 forever
LOL GGG is so fricking moronic it hurts
Tainted currency is another fun one
>Players USED the currency on their corrupted items in the Scourge league?!
>NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT
>NERF IT TO A 2% SUCCESS RATE
This did the same now.
>Oh frick we just noticed people actually used divines to get better rolls
>lets change that real quick, it's not like they are going to be using exalts with all this bloated modifier pool lmao
Chris' vision is that you grind 500 hours a league. That's it. He just wants to keep you in the game as long as possible.
Chris is a moron if he thinks that making the game more annoying is a good way to get me to keep playing.
To be fair, he knows his audience.
Addicted morons and streamers do keep playing and they come back every time. I mean what else are they going to do, get a job?
Incremental upgrades don't exist in poe. Seriously, this worked in d2 right because your characters power was your levels mostly, your stat points, talent points, gear was the cherry on top. Poe is the literal opposite, your talents and levels mean absolutely nothing, they're completely reliant on gear.
And then they design a game with mandatory stat requirements. D2 didn't have this, you could play the game with any gear, no gear, there wasn't a mandatory level of defense, res didn't *need* to be capped or you died in 0.1 seconds (you still did to lightning souls but nothing else), your mandatory life requirement was from levels. Poe has mandatory health and defense requirements to simply engage with the game to begin with, so that you need this on your gear. It's not negotiable, it can't wait, you can't play with 10 res under cap and wait for your incremental upgrade to get that last 10 res, they fundamentally have designed a game where that's impossible - even if the gear that dropped was good, and it isn't its worse than dogshit, it would still not work that way because of this design.
They're really really bad at game design honestly, its mental
>Incremental upgrades don't exist in poe
We know that, but Chris is deluded and thinks that it does.
>seems like a good thing
Yeah goy, just farm t1 white maps constantly dying until you win the 1 in hundreds of thousands lottos to find anything usable, then progress to t2 and do it all over again!
Genuinely impressive how moronic some people are
There's a million of these games. Were you not playing this since before they introduced rollback or w/e and the ground worms could just gib you? We had years and years to enjoy it. The second one is going to come out.
played one season of it and idk how it hasnt died already its literally the same endlessly repeated
>asmongold said game bad so i guess that means game bad
cringe
>e-celeb who is literally a walking reddit opinion machine
color me surprised
Basically every e-celeb is shitting on it; even mathil who is a giant GGG shill and is exceptionally accommodating is shitting on it
Don't care, I'm not a braindead NPC who needs some e-celebs to form my opinions for me.
Instead you are a contrarian homosexual.
>Basically every e-celeb is shitting on it
I think the take-away is that people who never had any credibility to begin with because they couldn't be bothered to acknowledge the canaries shouldn't be cited as examples of good sense when the time comes that disaster is undeniable. Like these are people who ignored that the birds were dying but because the people weren't dying it wasn't a problem. "It's just a minority, you're overreacting"
I spoke to some of two minor e-celebs with a small voice in the community after the notes were revealed but before their implementation. I basically begged them to say something because you can only look better having said something beforehand than after the train goes straight off the cliff. But they didn't, because they're narcissistic and self-interested and can't see beyond the edge of their own dick and have always been that way. I didn't expect them to respond to my warning but I warned them so I can confirm how utterly uncaring they are until it actually affects them.
Except nobody knew the spesifics at that point because they only clarified it after people complained. Nobody knew loot nerfs were that bad before trying it since GGG can't or, more accurately, won't beta test like D3 does.
And some people did make videos about it days before, especially the whole exalt divine swap.
>Except nobody knew the spesifics at that point
Anybody who didn't fricking see the harbinger of ZERO descriptive information as to what was happening to Harvest should have realized it was a flagrant PR move to avoid announcing an execution.
>And some people did make videos
Videos that in the majority didn't have the tone to galvanize the community to hit the bomb shelters and scream at the leaders to unfrick the situation before the bombs they were about to drop on them hit.
Standard's economy died before Chris had even finished the segment on Divines/Exalts. Forget the dogshit people say about Standard. That's an entire economy of the richest players in the games shifting their behaviour in response to an announcement within SECONDS. Do you know what this was like? This was like watching Twitter's stock change in real-time to every fricking thing that was said when they briefed their shareholders on whether or not to allow Musk to buy the company.
Anybody who didn't see this shit coming is a fricking idiot. And those who made videos didn't adequately express the scramble in Standard to buy any and everything that was stupid enough to be let go for exalts.
are there any graphs showing the price of divines/exalts during Chris's video?
https://poe.ninja/standard/currency/divine-orb
>inb4 not to the minute
Anon, the divine/exalt swap isn't even the biggest issue.
It's the complete removal of quantity/rarity modifiers to loot from league spesific mobs and replacing them with a 2-3x increase that Chris stated which resulted in around 95% less loot in juiced maps and was NOT stated anywhere before people started to feel something was off 2 days into the league and raised the question.
That's what it's all about, that and archnemesis mobs taking 5 minutes to kill for that vastly reduced loot.
>Anon, the divine/exalt swap isn't even the biggest issue.
It WAS the biggest issue and a massive one that annihilated the Standard economy before the patch even hit.
Just because it got replaced with something of even greater importance that fricked literally everyone as well doesn't mean it's okay that everyone ignored the Divine/Exalt issue earlier.
The point here is that the e-celebrities aren't fricking authorities or paying attention to shit. They're ambulance chasers and they take-away there is that if an ambulance is going somewhere there's fricking sirens telling everyone something bad has already happened. And nobody gave a frick when the sirens blared for Standard and THAT is the problem. Nobody even cared to look at the disaster until it affected them. That's why I could care fricking less about the loot shit, the camel's back was broken long ago and this is just him pissing on the corpse. Chris has pulled destructive shit like this all the time, low dosing players with radiation but finally he actually proper nuked you people and now you pay attention and in the meanwhile everyone's had radiation poisoning for years but nobody's ever cared.
Anon, there have been videos multiple days before league start talking about the exalt issue and how it will affect the league. In particular about how you can get exalts from shards and cards, but you can't get divines from anywhere and about how nobody is going to use exalts to craft anyway. And about how it's going to raise the price of oerfectly rolled gear. Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Yes, nobody is really focusing on standard because most people don't give a shit about it.
I played PoE during open beta, found it to be boring as hell compared to even such as diablo 3, and never touched it again after clearing what was available at the time.
The problem was that individual enemies/groups, including elites, posed absolutely no threat outside of potentially just having too much hp/damage (which you would only see if underleveled). No interesting mechanics to try to dodge around or anything. I made it through all three difficulties on hardcore mode and the only thing I was ever worried about was a lag spike. I'm sure they improved it at some point, but I think that the core design in that phase was probably still a good indicator.
its the same as that but worse. ITs just health bloated rares and a bunch of kamikaze oneshot on-death effects or invisible off screen projectiles. There is no counterplay or gameplay. Either you explode or they do.
You will play spectral helix or troony minion builds
You will fight archnemesis mobs and be constantly slowed
And you will be happy
Minions are worthless now.
In a "you can't blast through t16 on a 5c budget" way or actually all gutted? Because knowing how minion players melt down at the slightest nerfs ever since blight it's probably the former.
gutted, their defenses are in shitter, and also you couldnt blast tier 16 map on 5c budget and this has not been true past 7 leagues.
only fleshcrafter skellies which was fricked this area in particular style
The people in charge have spreadsheets and metrics.
You have anecdotes and juvenile emotional responses.
You got any less readable graphs?
I on the other hand can very much believe it
>constant "content" bloat
>moronic balance I haven't played the game for 3 years and I bet my left nut that ice spear is still unusable in the endgame
>no auction house, devs hellbent on keeping annoying and unraliable trading system from D2 era
>constant 1-5 potion spam - the game
>devs literally tell new players to frick themselves as they are only interested in returning players
>orb of fusing is still a thing
>hardcore gameplay balanced around log off macro - admitted by devs no less
>hey goy, here is your new stashtab for 20 new currencies we've added, that'll be 9,99$
>currency trading is only kept intact thanks to fricking bots on 3rd party trading site
maybe I'll give poe 2.0 a try but I don't expect much, I already regret spending hundreds of hours on this pile of shit
>moronic balance
>streamer video
>shitter mathil who just goes glasscannon every league with shit builds
opinion discarded
Very cool goalposts, where are you moving them next?
zero defences, dogshit to play build
also not ice spear, it's always spellslinger or coc. he's done self cast ice spear like one time, and it was even worse.
here is a baseline for any poe build okay? 5k life, bare minumum, 30k armour, either 30k evasion or 75 block, either 100 spell suppression or 86 max all res. and then it needs damage on top of that, like 2 mil minimum probably.
mathil never builds any defenses, he dies all the fricking time which is inherently massively unfun for most players because they aren't getting paid to sit there and die and lose currency 6 portalling shit
i mean poe2 is being made, foc the leftover half assed content would be put toward 1 still. its like tekken 7's new update, absolute shit cuz they're clearly working on 8
poe2 will be same trash and maybe even worse than original because they are keeping all 10 acts, and if i have to go through those 10 acts ever again in my life then i will kill myself.
i love how secondary twitter trannies who literally don't play the game don't even understand that poe2 is literally poe1 with an alternate campaign
But crossbows and spears bro.
But new classes bro.
The truth is poe2 is the big reset button. They know they fricked up with all this content bloat but they can't remove mechanics now because they know people will cry about removing content instead if actually fixing it.
Poe2 is their clean slate, their get out of jail card.
it's literally not a reset button
it all feeds into maps and the same endgame and mechanics
the only thing that changes is which campaign you play
Chris literally said he is making changes to the game to easy people into PoE 2 and that involves making the games significantly slower.
They can't remove it, and won't. They already said they could not remove any content that people had bought something for. Meaning every type of content that has its own tab HAS to stay in the game, no matter what.
Poe 2 won't change anything, it will just have spears and more ascendancies and a new shitty campaign that nobody wants to play after the first time that they spent tonnes of wasted money on voice acting and dumb shit for.
I'm amazed there are enough people with such shit taste to have kept any ARPGs afloat this long to begin with. The genre hasn't evolved at all since Diablo 2, you have to be a complete fricking drone to still be playing this garbage.
its a shitty genre that has been ruined by the fans. Anyway it did evolve it became Borderlands.
>it's borderlands... because i said so!
secondary twitter troony moment
stfu you moronic dumbshit. Borderlands is the same thing.
Not him, but yes, dipshit.
Borderlands is one branch it evolved into.
Others being stuff like Nioh.
Grim Dawn is also better than D2 in every way.
Just because PoE lucked out with autistic audience and being online only, doesn't mean there aren't other, better games in the genre out there.
lmao what the actual frick is this post
It's me owning your ass just like I owned ur mom's pussy last night.
>Grim Dawn is also better than D2 in every way.
d2 has great pvp
I guess any pvp is better than no pvp, but I wouldn't call it great.
It did evolve, you're full of shit.
Just because you didn't play anything after D2, if even even played that, doesn't mean it hasn't.
And no, not even talking about PoE.
It's a fricking experience to watch though at least. More interesting than playing the game.
The game has been ass for years at this point and they stubbornly refuse to actually fix the most basic underlying issues, it was always inevitable it died.
I'm enjoying this league a lot. I guess you're one of these trade league reddit homosexuals.
Nice try at falseflagging, sweetie, but non trade leagues got fricked the hardest this league so you're playing jack and shit and jack just left town.
>moron LARPing doesn't know SSF got raped the most
LOL good try kid
I'm more pissed off that they pussied out and hid the loot changes thinking that no one would notice
Grow some fricking balls and tell people straight up
They tried that in Expedition and their revenue tanked. This time they tried to bullshit their way through it, which probably worked better in the short term but I really doubt they'll get away with it twice. Personally I think the best solution is to stop making moronic changes that everybody hates, but then again I'm no developer.
There is one question to be asked why revenue tanked after Expedition and two answers:
- We made a change everyone hates
- We told them what we were doing
>Personally I think the best solution is to stop making moronic changes that everybody hates
They clearly thought that it was transparency that was at fault despite everyone screaming at the time about the specific changes and not "oh my god I'm so sad you've TOLD me sad news!". And now, with Lake, they were neither transparent AND continued with their moronation. There's a common denominator here.
You might be no developer but you're clearly less moronic than a corporation of over a hundred professionals. Who haven't seemed to have figured out the basics of customer service or problem solving.
>I really doubt they'll get away with it twice.
Then you don't know the average addicted PoE player. They'll continue to play the game no matter what happens. The reason the devs and Wilson keep doing stuff like this is because there really is zero punishment to do it, the whales just keep spending money on lootboxes and supporter packs anyway.
Chris just has boomer brain damage where he thinks d2 endgame was good and wants you to farm forever for a singular item
I want the money I spent on supporter packs back.
>game is dying because poopsock group farmers can't fill their entire UI with 6 links and exalts
we are witnessing what happens when you take away a dopamine source from a group of brain rotted gaming degenerates
>game is dying because poopsock group farmers can't fill their entire UI with 6 links and exalts
3 I.Q. take lmao
moron, if they are getting 95% less loot, that means everyone else is ALSO getting 95% less loot, but on top of that its even less because everyone else isn't doing insane 5 deli 4 winged juiced shit and everyone else doesn't have a fricking mf culler that stacks multiplicatively. the normal player is unironically getting less than 1% of the loot they used to get
Please let it die instead of keeping it on life support, it's time for something new.
Luckily Diablo 4 is right around the corner.
Diablo 4 will not be good.
That remains to be seen
It's modern Blizzard.
It's physically incapable of being good.
It's their last chance to redeem themselves, I have a feeling it will be good.
E-celebs shitting on the game just makes me want to play it more, as it implies that e-celeb dick sucking homosexuals will leave along with these tards.
>haha I will lick shit off the floor because these streamers said they don't like licking shit off of the floor
>*SLURP* MMMmmmm tastes nutty haha OWNED streamers, take that haha
Filtered
You said you don't even play, you were filtered ages ago.
Just stop replying, I don't read posts made by people who donate hundreds of dollars just so assmongoloid reads their screen name.
>all this shit just for meeeee hahah yum yum yum
>frick streamers, more doo doo in my mouth haha
>p-please stop proving me wrong
>here's some projection and irrelevant insults
>haha filtered *SLURP*
>all this shit for me because they're *gag* yum yum ...FILTERED
>ecelebs don't want that steaming pile of shit anymore?
>that's great, more crap for me
Contrarianism really is a mental illness.
REMOVE MAPS
REMOVE LEAGUES
REMOVE BALANCE
REMOVE JUDAISM
BRING BACK MAELSTROM
tryhards mad they can't break the game as hard as they used to
morons mad they can't do the highest tier of content after 2 days of league start
any ARPG not balanced around SSF is dogshit
tbh in my 7 years of playing this kusoge on and off I never felt rewarded eith good loot, so I guess not much has changed haha...
>I never felt rewarded eith good loot
This is true, but it at least rewarded you with a lot of loot and a bunch of currency to make up for it. Now that's gone too, such fun
I mean it's a fricking gay game so it makes sense to me
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CANT GET OVERPOWERED IN 20 HOURS PLAYTIME ANYMORE PLUS MY FAVORITE STREAMIE SAID ITS LE BAD
good riddance, ywnbaw
How is the league good?
It's already based for the sole reason of making tradetroons such as yourself asshurt.
>he doesn't know
So you are a mindless contrarian who doesn't evem play the game
you are a worthless moron
Not those anons, I'm an SSF player and the loot nerf is making this league the single worst SSF league to date.
If you're going to break down a flawed system to make it better, Don't present it to the players in a broken state before it's fixed and think everything is going to be fine.
>I'm an SSF player and the loot nerf is making this league the single worst SSF league to date.
Not only that lol, crafting is completely destroyed too. I also play SSF and it's just pure gambling now. The only thing left that you can do for RNG protection is rolling items on Rog, and they'll no doubt destroy Expedition completely too next league.
see
stop bringing up heist, it's our last hope
I'll let _Ben be in Endless Heist by himself thanks.
It conforms to the vision of Chris (pbuh)
Boo hoo you little b***h, first time?
It's literally the biggest change the game has ever had.
I re-fricking-iterate. Boo hoo, you little b***h. First. Time?
>First. Time?
First time for player retention to be this low? Yes, yes it is :^)
The funniest part here is the trend. 5 leagues in a row have done substantially worse than those previous. Almost like whatever they've been doing for the past 5 leagues is shit they should stop doing
Yes, a change this big is literally the first time, you daft c**t.
No fricking kidding. This was just the first time these people cared to notice. Numerous other fricking things were in actuality the worst thing ever:
- Crafting bench nerfed
- Harvest not returning
- Split tag
- Harvest returns worse, then made worse again
- Advanced mod descriptions removed from items on ground
- Delve flipping from full DPS to full tank
- Fricking with Beyond and not just giving it a graphical update
- Frick Headhunter, "fix" it but worse than before, frick it one final time by cutting back on Rares
- Krangler and Recombinators, the only actual "new" thing to the game not going Core
- Retention getting worse, then worse, each time worse than the previous time
We've had nothing but escalating bad shit. First time indeed to all these morons who never paid any attention. Oh no, it's reached catastrophic levels, no fricking shit you idiot we've been building up to this.
Keep trying moron. Each one of those things was noticed hense the "game is dying" meme. Everyine cried about harvest all the time after the league was done. Every single league after that.
None of those are even close to "just remove all the loot" change. Or completely flipping the economy upside down.
But now we got both at the same time and then some.
Bugs aside, no mechanic remains as good as it was when it was released. And that's assuming it stayed around.
You don't fricking understand. All those things at the time were the worst thing to happen. Just because the magnitude of the loot change overshadows the past horrific things doesn't change the fact that if you had never known what the current loot issue anybody could point to one of those things as the worst thing ever.
Chris has been walking down the line shooting people who grew too tall. Nobody cared. And now he went and shot everyone in the heart but we've crossed the line into cruelty numerous times before because he was shooting people in the legs all the time.
Except now we know the loot issue and can say it's the worst thing ever. Just because less bad things happened before doesn't mean it can't get worse from there.
It doesn't work like that.
They might come up with something even more drastic than the loot change then it will be the worst thing to happen.
The game should not be balanced around Headhunter.
I haven't payed any attention to this in years. QRD?
these isometric arpg games are all without exception complete shit at endgame. Just skinner box garbage and mental masturbation over character customization where more than half of players just follow guides anyways.
The fact that the fans of today WANT the game to be a game where you click on the screen to delete the enemies then look for good loot just goes to show they dont care about gameplay and just want a flashy slot machine.
>follow guide
>press button to delete screen
>check looties
>aahhhh the perfect gameplay loop!
PoE is fricking great as solo self found to beat the main story with your own build you make on the fly. Once you power game it and turn it into just another skinner box then you start reaching mental illness levels of escapism.
The genre is fricked as a whole because its fans are so full of players of mental illness they have ot be catered too.
twitter troony secondaries really seething this thread huh
Post your character.
It baffles me that it managed to live this long. I've never seen a company bumble their way to success as hard as GGG has. They are absolutely unceasingly moronic, but somehow the entire universe aligned to somehow carry them to success. Somehow despite this they still manage to make colossal frick ups on a regular basis despite needing to do nothing, but add some new skinner box every few months.
PoE2 will fix it :^)
poe2 is literally poe1 but with a different starting campaign
nothing changes
So would anyone mind saying what broke in the first place?
League-specific monsters in past leagues had a speculative 5000% rarity and 1000% quantity of drops buff so people were rewarded for interacting with the league mechanic and killing those monsters, they decided to remove this drop rate buff from those monsters and didn't tell anyone about it in the patch notes. This resulted in a general 90% lower drop rate from all sources and the game feels dogshit to play and now has zero RNG protection.
The balance, as per usual. Archnemesis has been a shitshow since it was introduced, they will never get it right and players unanimously hate it. So of course ggg made it worse, then when people complained they reduced the health by 15% but only on 2 and 3 mod, 4 mod somehow stays the same 🙂 when the health was never the problem, the fact they ignore 90% of your damage due to interactions that aren't balanced at all, or move at the speed of light, or blow up your screen, were the problems. If the monster didn't have insane damage reduction its larger health pool wouldn't matter.
Then they broke loot. Completely, they just deleted all loot in the game with one code change that reduced it by 95% for the 6 man mf groups, meaning it was decreased by far more than 95% for the rest of us who aren't stacking the multipliers and juice they do, people are struggling to even get enough alchs vaals etc to map properly.
And then they deleted harvest, whilst leaving it in the game. They removed reroll keeping prefix/suffix, they removed x, x more likely rolls, and they made reroll more likely instead of being a 100x multiplier it is now a 10x multiplier, making it effectively useless.
Those are the biggest major issues. The fact that the league mechanic is dogshit and unrewarding, even after their 'buff's to it, is an issue but it's not even near the top of the list with how much other bad design is occuring
>https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3296718
>The second reason is that we removed a massive historic bonus to item quantity and/or rarity that applied to some league-specific monsters. We replaced it with a moderate (2-3x) increase to item quantity, to offset the fact that they often have more life than regular monsters and some cannot drop maps.
They fricked with item drops. Did the change thinking no one would notice. People noticed. Patch notes would have been a good place to mention this but the change was absent from them.
At the same time they did this, they also removed an older league mechanic that was used for deterministic crafting of high-end gear and just called it a "rework".
What happened? Why is it dead?
I thought i would only do one season but ended playing six, thank you all my friends. Its perfect time to move on.
Devs are making game harder and worse just to introduce some real money options when poe2 launches. You will see Kirac 2,99 dollars or 10 chaos orbs for map altering. You will see magic find boosters only sold for real money.
Be happy you quit this now.
PoE died because Diablo set the ARPG genre bar high enough, even Torchlight nor Sacred failed at this point. Diablo's strongest factor is that MEMORABLE STORYTELLING while PoE have none. NONE! Does PoE even have story, or memorable characters like frickin' Deckard Cain? I gues not LMAO
troll post, but they had lots; like Kalandra! Who they then used to shit out a low effort garbage league where she's a bird who shittalks you as you do a shitty boring mechanic and that's it.
Who the frick is Kalandra? Nobody plays PoE for Kalandra, most fanbase don't even know who Kalandra is, all these people care only loot and season update.
>literally has the namesake for the rarest currency in the game
>no one knows kalandra
twitter troony secondaries literally cannot stop exposing themselves and it's fricking hilarious
Post your mirror bro
Also
>caring about lore in an ARPG
I have thousands of hours in the game and I haven't read the NPC dialog even once and I don't know who any of them are.
He's not wrong anon, kalandra is just a fricking name on an item, it's not a character with any actual story, nobody gives a frick. Meanwhile you have the townsfolk of diablo 1 and 2 be actual characters, with actual story, so people remember them and care about them more.
He's incorrect that arpgs need lore though, diablos lore was not its big point its atmosphere is what really contributed to it more than its lore. And the fact it had y'know, good gameplay, good itemization, not complete garbage
This league is based as frick for putting groupfind troons on suicide watch. I don’t give a frick about loot changes
Rares are overtuned but it seems like they are working on it, every league start has its own problems, everyone who isn’t a sweaty autist that plays 20 hours a day at league start to buy a mageblood in day 3 should know to start playing a few weeks in especially if you are ssf
>especially if you are ssf
>SSF is in the worst state it's ever been
>but since he's a LARPer he doesn't know that
YIKES
why do SO many homosexual LARP about playing SSF and HC?
All of these larpers always expose themselves by going off about trannies and how the league is good because it makes people mad, yet doesn't play the game themselves.
I said ssf should start playing 3 weeks or so into a league but I guess reading comprehension is too tough for a moron like you
I always found that interesting as well. These people come to online games to play alone, for what? Attention? Demanding special service and highscores and all. I PLAY ALONE AND ALONE ONLY BUT LOOK AT ME WHILE I DO IT!!!!
It's the only thing they have in their lives to get attention for. Same with what I'm sure is Guinness World Records holders. A person who cooks or paints for themselves don't need the attention, they just do it. The satisfaction is self-fulfilling in the mastery.
To be fair, social praise does a lot of good for a person, it gives them a sense of belonging which is important for happiness. You can't blame people for chasing that public praise, it's intoxicating.
But in online game with tens of thousands of people its a bit different than someone on guinness record book actually doing something. In online game its much more delutional and much closer to nothing.
It's the same feeling, who the frick cares where it comes from.
You think the guy who sinks the most 3-pointers is some kind of champion in society any more than a person who is the best at racing in a video game? Or the guy who baked the world's largest pizza?
A lot of this shit is meaningless. The only real output is that it makes the audience happy and the achiever happy for the attention.
But there isnt audience for 99,99% of solo players, never was. Games shouldnt be balanced around them, no dev should listen to them on a multiplayer game. It doesnt matter if they get some kicks out of it.
I don't want to fricking trade. It's boring and a fricking annoyance. So might as well play in the league for it. If trading ever got updated to not make me want to tear my eyes out I'd stop playing SSF.
>virgin tradeleague loot is gimped but somehow that doesn't affect me in CHAD SSF league because reasons
If you morons had 2 seconds to think about what you post, you'd save a lot of public embarrassment.
honestly waiting for poe2. i want spears and crossbows and shit poe is ancient at this point
SSF is based
every league i make a infinite heist guy, run shit for a few days have 3,000 chaos and like half the uniques in the game and then i decide what i build i want to map with
fun because it's different every time
frick off, heist sucks.
>200 chaos an hour
>on day 0
>bad
LOL OK BRO XXXXXXXXXXXXX^D
>look at my hypothetical spreadsheet value that I totaly immediately converted into currency and isn't just rotting away in my tab
>thank god people wanted to buy those identify scrolls and armorer scraps
Every time.
>cap resists
done except for chaos
>have more than 2k life
done
>cap spell suppression
don't know what this is
>use flasks
i die before i can use them most of the time
>wear a shield
do i have to?
im playing the barbarian guy and i struggled all the way to the atlas thing but even the basic maps seem to be impossible to progress as i dont get any exp when i die over and over again in them
>didn't cap chaos
you didn't cap resists
>don't know what spell suppression is
are you telling me you dont know how to google? i suppose that would explain why you are so fricking stupid and die all the time.
>die before using flasks
flasks have a duration, you see. you activate them before risky encounters and keep your eye on the debuff bar for when they expire if its a risky fight.
>do i have to wear a shield
no, i was giving general suggestions.
>do i have to?
Not at all, if you want to play a 2 hander you have to play champion or juggernaut these days.
And more than 2k life doesn't mean shit, you want 5k life at the absolute minimum. If you just started maps 4k is fine.
You need to run defensive auras, determination, grace, defiance banner, stuff like that. Your flasks should be things you use all the time, not just when you get hit, you should be running around maps hitting 2345 every like 2nd pack of mobs to keep your utility flasks up - granite, phasing, jade etc, you only hit the life one reactively. You likely need removes bleed on your life flask and learn to watch out for the corrupted blood debuff icon or any bleed icon.
And you need to find a 5 link asap, your gem links might be trash, you need to basically be killing entire packs in one attack to have any hope of not getting ass raped.
on second thoughts, you can just post your damn character profile from the website and we can see what's wrong anon
You don't need chaos in ssf morono. And grats on your zero atlas progression, seems great.
>he thinks its JUST chaos orbs you get from heist
oh you sweet summer child
no it's best you don't know
You're the one posting about chaos per hour and making shit up. You don't need uniques either unless you're playing some dogshit build, the reality is that ssf players mostly have to use rares because janky unique using builds are defensively weaker. The only uniques they use tend to come from the actual bosses, maven boots, diadem etc
>making shit up
>implying infinite heist literally hasn't been a thing for multiple leagues with thousands of videos done on it with giga autistic stat tracking and googledocs and the whole nine yards
i don't even know where to start with this post, lmfao
hey man, you don't have to heist. frankly, i'd rather you didn't.
have you even played this league? mapping is LITERALLY worthelss due to the quantity change from mob drops. only instances of flat drops aka chests with fixed loot tables & rates were unaffected by the quant change.
Real question, why are you even still playing at this point? You can't map, you can't do shit.
Do you really want another heist league?
>Nerfs nerfs nerfs nerfs
>Tencent
>Ignores looming trade issues, "player interaction", literally spitting in our faces
Good riddance. Die already.
secondary twitter troony sneed moment
How do I not fricking die in this game?
Stack literally every defense in the game and then still get one shot randomly by an unlucky arch nemesis spawn.
cap resists, have more than 2k life, cap spell suppression, use flasks, wear a shield
You don't anon, that's chris's vision, they want you to die no matter what.
Last league I had max block/max spell block, melding with 90 all res, capped chaos res, 40k+ armour, aegis aurora recovery: you will still die to shit even like that. That is the kind of defence you need for the game to actually feel good to play.
And they nerf defences every single league to make you die more.
Why play a game made by a bald person? You're putting your time towards a vision by someone with shit genetics yet have the gall to do it "in spite" of trannies, a group also comprised of balding white men with shit genetics. Distance yourself from inferiority.
Literally more popular than ever
DEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEE THHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>more popular than ever
>lower than feb
>nooo more popular than ever
>is a peak for the last 30 days
anon, half of those players have quit in the past 2 days lol. the peak from friday doesn't mean jack shit here
Seem to be pretty stable. Peak at new leagues, goes down, then peak at new leagues. Also, it's a, what, 7 years old game with a sequel coming.
>Seem to be pretty stable
Yeah because you're blind and are not noticing that drop at the end of graph bigger than the game has ever experienced by a large margin.
And shut up homosexual, there is no sequel, poe2 is literally just a new campaign with the EXACT SAME END GAME. It's just shinier graphics, more gay voice acting and some new weapon base types and ascendancies lmao, it doesn't change the core game.
If poe dies today, poe2 never sees the light of day because they cant afford another 2 years of dev time without any income
What is the end game in other ARPGs?
Beating the game, farming some nice items with actual good drop rates, making new characters or quitting and coming back to make a new character once in a while 🙂
I know you think this is some kinda moron gotcha
>oh hurr durr games 20 years ago were games that didn't operate on a live service schedule of 3 month updates checkmate
But they were still better. Poes "end game" is no different than other arpgs, because the actual bosses are static. Maps are not an end game, maps are literally just an extension of the campaign unless you're doing the max juice shit, the average map you run is no different from running trav or whatever another time.
Baal runs from lvl 70 to 99 is End game?
Portals in D3 is End game?
Those are literally the same as just running maps to 100 buddy, I dunno what to tell you.
The end game of d2 is uber tristram, pvp or mfing, not baal runs for xp.
I think that PoE end game allow for more variability with more control over parameters which make for a better experience than farming 500 Bathories in Ragnarok Online.
i mean seriously
what the frick do you guys want
you understand that poe is shit, right? it's not shit just recently. it was shit as early as breach. earlier.
you guys keep posting the exact same fricking story over and over again every league. OHHHHH GGG FRICKED UP OOOOHHHHH RUINED LOOT RUINED MAPPING RUINED BUILDS RUINED RARES
over and over. i'm fricking amazed at how many times I've seen this thread on Ganker over the past two years.
the reason you're upset is simple fricking cognitive dissonance. you don't understand who you are in relation to GGG. you aren't their customers. you're their captors, just as much as they're yours. it's a fricking toxic relationship. you think Chris looks at the modern state of PoE and thinks "yeah, that's the diablo 2 sequel i wanted!". NO. HE HATES YOU. HE HATES THE GAME. he made one or two tiny mistakes WAAAAAAAY back when and accidentally built the revenue foundation of his game on them, and he can't go back. he can't ever go back. this is the game he gets now.
it was supposed to be a fun ARPG. you were supposed to fight challenging rare monsters using interesting skill combinations. a totem that uses a skill that pushes enemies back slightly to defend yourself while you use a slower, more fragile build. it was supposed to be fun.
BUT he made MISTAKES. And you homosexuals LIKED the mistakes! he accidentally attracted 500k players who don't know what a good game looks like. he attracted 500k players who want to press a button and delete 30 screens, who want to see the screen fill with shit items whenever they kill any minor enemy. dopamine-drunk morons who cry like babies the moment any minor roadblock stands in their way.
and he didn't realize it until it was too late. and he'd built his company on you. and he couldn't get rid of you. he had to keep making the game YOU wanted, slowly pushing HIS playerbase away as he made a faster, sparklier, more dopamine-rich game.
tl;dr
Also I haven't played since ultimatum and am not coming back any time soon
so is it any fricking wonder that he keeps doing stuff you don't like? you ruined his game and he has no choice but to accept it. he's delusional and moronic, he keeps hoping that this change or that will fix things, that he can do one miraculous thing that will make the game good and make everyone happy.
but he can't. he has your money and he wants more. he can content himself with a little here, a little there, but if he ever wants your money, unfortunately, he's cultivated a playerbase that won't let him get what he wants.
it's not like he gets another chance. PoE is it. PoE is the game. it's his baby.
you are in a toxic relationship.
you hate him. he hates you. you both hate each other. and every fricking league it's the exact same thread. CRHIS SHITSON HAS DONE IT AGAIN. you fricking dumbasses. of course he's done it again. nothing's changed. he still hates you. you still hate him. you still both want completely different things.
poe's not a good game and hasn't been for a while now. chris probably couldn't have made a good game even if he wasn't being constrained by you lot. he probably would have just made another boring, mediocre rpg - a little too fast, a little too easy in most places, a little too swingy and brutal in the wrong places.
stop making these fricking threads. it's not fricking news. nothing has changed. POE PLAYERS ARE UPSET yeah poe players are always fricking upset. why would you ever NOT be upset? you are playing a game you hate made by a person you hate, and constantly hating that person when they try to change it
you are all morons
you all have weak minds
i know quitting is difficult. it feels like you're doing the right thing when you keep going.
but you have to stop. both with these threads and with the game.
@609988423
there are two groups of poe players.
there are those who were pushed out, and those who pushed them out
those who pushed them out are newbies
and like all zoomers, deserve to be ignored
no one is reading your inane schizo babble, take it to reddit and piss in your ocean of piss homosexual lmao
idc lmao i exist to create the pure ideal of a good idea it's not my fault if you don't read it gaylord
>i know quitting is difficult. it feels like you're doing the right thing when you keep going
You're right, especially right here.
I know such a small response is not appropriate to all you've said but there's not much to add.
>. a totem that uses a skill that pushes enemies back slightly to defend yourself while you use a slower, more fragile build
This unironically sounds more interesting than what most arpgs are like.
You also need to add the caveat that this isn't a pre-defined class skill, it's an emergent ability the player can come up with themselves to overcome challenges.
I think it was the first Build of the Week video (did they keep doing those?). Chris showcasing a player whose build was like, Freezing Pulse SLIGHTLY pushes enemies back, so stick it in a totem and use Ice Spear from a distance. I don't think it was even actual Knockback, the mechanic, just some quirk of the collision box. Something you'd never notice today because you'd be firing 300 shots per second and oneshotting multiple screens with every single one. Power creep removes those sorts of interesting nuances.
reminder to add dopamine to your word filter
I don't get it, why don't they just buff enemies instead of nerfing players
They did both.
@609988217
another homosexual who hasn't played the game in the past several years writing an essay on why the game is shit
lol.
> always online
it was dead before it came out of the womb
this entire thread:
casual babies who played poe ONE (1) time at some point over the last 10 years and because twitter is having an epic gamer moment they think their opinions are relevant
actually hilarious
lmao
someone's going to post how long they played poe and you'll act like it's not good enough because they aren't literally obsessed like you
by your standards, the only people whose opinions on poe matter are the ones who love it
aka your standards are worthless
then how do you explain all the people who have been publicly playing for years at the high end sharing the same opinions as even the casuals? you're not going to answer because you just want to feel special being a shit eating contrarian
Mate you're supposed to huff the copium not fricking drink it.
I was waiting on the new league to reinstall and now I don't feel like it. If it sucks this bad for the super sweaty types, how the frick am I going to play anything cool as a normal ass player?
You do you man, just don't cry if you get lonely.
Post your ladder character.
>just do endless heist lmao
No thanks I'd rather end myself
heist is based tho? like actually the best league mechanic in the game not close?
>heist
I'd rather just not play, and that's what I, and over 50% of the people who started on Friday, are doing!
It's a F2P game that I play in Solo Self Found. So okay.
I barely lasted until Sunday. Piece of shit game
Recommend me other grinder games.
PoE is probably the best F2P ARPG that do not ask money from you. If you want ARPGs, Ragnarok Online is a really grindy game, just like most KMMOs, Tree of Saviors too.
If you just want to grind in general, Dead By Daylight has a lot of unlocks possible by just playing the game. Unless you want Liscensee killers and Survivors, you can unlock most stuff after a bunch of games.
I am not a poorgay so I can buy games.
Most paid games are not grindy because the price of entry is not time or paid faster progression.
Disgaea and nis srpgs are the obvious answer I have for you anon. The entire point is grinding, but its at least it's more fun and more rewarding
>big numbers doing 9XXXXXXXXXXXX damage is fun
Maybe.
Yes, because grinding is only fun when it consistently rewards you and progresses you. Grinding in disgaea pays off every literal minute, you gain levels, you get an item, you level up the item, you're earning mana for evilities, you're grinding up all the various classes for their bonuses, whatever. It all has payoff and it is immediate and consistently regular, then it presents you challenge at various levels that encourage you to keep grinding so you can meet them, from challenge stages, land of carnage, various superbosses leading all the way up to baal.
This is what makes grinding enjoyable, and why poe is not an enjoyable grinding game because it's a big fat slot machine and nothing else.
Doing the damage in the end in disgaea isn't the fun part, working your way up to being able to do it is the fun part.
I mean, if you want dopamine, go play WoW or most MMOs
Are you moronic, the guy asked for grinding games anon.
MMOs are not grinding games, they are not games anymore, they are entirely about psychologically manipulating players into addiction. Disgaea isn't trying to make you fork over money every month, it's selling you a product, no psychologists hired to try and make you dependant or open your wallet lad.
How is WoW having thousands of quests and items to farm not a grinding game?
Grinding requires a point. Thousands of quests and items that lead nowhere and are useless does not equate to a grinding game.
Wow doesn't offer you an option to grind for progression, it just wants you to pay your sub fee and purposely locks you out of things that can actually give progress because putting nice cooldowns and lockouts keeps you paying for more months.
WoW has the same problem where whether or not you progress is entirely dependent on RNG rolls that aren't in your favour, plus the systems which used to ensure that you could get loot you need have been taken away. When you're in a dungeon or a raid, for example, less items now drop and they get given at random to different members of your group. If you want something someone else got, you have to beg them for that item.
Sure, people abused need/greed rolls plus the master loot system in the past, but this is even worse because you have no agency over what you receive.
speak for yourself, homosexual
bigger numbers is not inherently fun
I find little joy in numerical progression.
Games like path of exile are fun because the loot
>because it's a big fat slot machine and nothing else.
When something drops that changes the way you play the game or enables you to make a build the changes the way the game is played, THAT is fun.
The bulk of drops is chaff that only exists to keep those items scarce and interesting.
If there was an arpg where the only game was making numbers bigger and every item was the equivalent of an arpg "unique" that changed functionality you'd quickly churn through them all.
Itemization is mostly padding, but it's okay because it improve the impression of the reward.
>Doing the damage in the end in disgaea isn't the fun part, working your way up to being able to do it is the fun part.
You are brain damaged. Go play cookie clicker if you want numbers to go up.
>bigger numbers is not inherently fun
I literally just said the numbers weren't the fun part you blind moron, the min maxing of your activities that lead to the numbers - and they ALWAYS lead to the numbers because progress is guaranteed with time investment - is the fun part.
>Games like path of exile are fun because the loot
The game has no loot, as everyone has established. Slot machines and lotto is not loot and it is not regular, consistent progression. Know what games have loot like that? D1, D2, titan quest, basically every other arpg that ever existed or exists besides poe.
You are a broken homosexual who has been manipulated into genuinely believing that endlessly wasting your time on lotto, that statistically for every person that wins tens of thousands lose, is somehow good gameplay and good progression. It isn't. Again, the arpgs above prove this. An item does not need to be as rare as a zod rune to make it worth dropping, you play d2 and you can farm out a shako pretty easily - it's still great. You can get a peasant crown, still good. You can get consistently good items without infinite time investment playing lotto because the drop rates and weightings was balanced well and the methods of farming were not constantly patched to be 'fixed' because some ceo was screeching that 1 min meph runs were killing his game vision lmao.
I have never really gotten SUPER far into PoE (Only ever had one character that did red maps during that league with the tower defense minigame) but I think it is a good thing that the dev has a vision for the game and doesn't just want it to be forever easy.
The game has a lot of actual hard content.
>admits he doesn't know what he's talking about
>proceeds to pull shit out of his ass
Watcha gonna do about it Haruhi?
Is Vampire Survivor a grinder?