I constantly see people talking shit about PoE, so what's the best alternative? it's not like the genre has tons of great games
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I constantly see people talking shit about PoE, so what's the best alternative?
>I constantly see people talking shit about PoE
Only Diablosissies do this
PoE players shit talk PoE all the time.
t. PoE player
Cmon now, we shit talk ggg nerfs and bad league design such as kalandra, that`s about it really.
After that we go back to pushing maps
we really are hopeless shit eaters
projection
its true though, Kalandra and Crucible are such fricking shitty updates that they actively made the game less enjoyable to play. But poe playerbase is so starved since every other game in the genre sucks that we'll come back for 3.22 even though its destined to be absolute shitter trash.
I don't even get the hate behind Kalandra
Only thing I would improve is making it so you can find map pieces as drops and slot them into the plates to make them at anytime almost like catalysts
Kalandra and Crucible both suffered from not having enough loot dropping to make it really worthwhile to farm unless you're after the power boosting mechanics and a lot of people would rather just get their piles of loot. Kalandra had the double problem of existing when the game was in a pretty bad spot overall. Crucible at least doesn't really have that problem since the game is pretty decent right now, it's just kinda a boring unrewarding league.
Kalandra should have been a bigger event than what they did, they undermined the character's popularity
>worthwhile mobs take too long to kill and do too much damage
>still not even worthwhile in the first place
>kalandra herself, a character hinted at through the strongest currency item in the game, turns out to be a fricking moronic bird who does nothing for some reason
>lake is a big fat waste of potential, could have done cool things like having us go under the lake's surface to a mirrored version where difficulties are reversed
>character/skill balance shit during the league as usual
I don't give a frick about Diablo, but I'll never play your p2w "free" garbage
>p2w
Dumb diablotroony
You don't have enough cognitive function for poe
This is the most moronic post of the week for me.
>people
Only 2 kinds, those that played it 3000 hours and diablo 4 morons.
I mean, the genre is literally just PoE and Diablo.
torchlight 2, grim dawn etc.
The genre is bad in its core, so it isn't weird that doesn't have many games
I liked grim dawn but it's more a one and done type game
Grim Dawn is great, but it is an offline single player game with campaign focus. You are probably not going to get similar forever experience out of it that people are typically looking for in ARPGs.
>it is an offline single player game with campaign focus
Which is exactly what an ARPG is supposed to be...
PoE and D4 players really need to admit that they just want to play an MMO
That's basically what PoE and D4 are
Just MMOs with an ARPG skin
Grim Dawn has fanmade seasons because the game has mod support. Those have leaderboards, quality new content, new items, new areas and new bosses. It gives the complete experience.
Borderlands is the best series in this genre, starts great only gets better. Meanwhile other diablo clones can never follow up their best title with anything but stark disappointments ala Diablo 3, Beyond divinity, dungeon defenders 2
last epoch mogs both of these trash
Kek, yeah bro, totally.
>Literally 1/15th of PoE
Clearly its superiority is reflected in the player counts. Keep in mind, Path is a franchise that hates its own playerbase who desperately want to get away
Poe is shit, there's not enough content. There's nothing to do after 2 weeks every league.
Diabbabies
>POE has too much content! Content bloat!
Also Diabbabies
>POE has no content! Empty game!
>everyone is the same person
i know you just came in from reddit but "anonymous" isn't a single persons username who makes all the posts
Shut the frick up Diabbaby
2 weeks worth of content as opposed to what exactly? Every other game doesn't eve have 24hrs of content,
You could only do all poe content in two weeks if you are a no-lifer pushing maps
> I constantly see people talking shit about PoE
Anon thats literally true for most complex games on Ganker
If its not nintendo bing bing wahoo it gets shit on here. Same with CS
Basically any game requiring skills is not to the palate of Ganker
It's like MMOs, The whole genre is bad, everyone who plays arpgs are bad, and all arpgs should be deleted
Face it, Borderlands 2 is the best ARPG
Are the DLC's worth playing? I have tons of DLC's and never played them
>I constantly see people talking shit about PoE
>so what do I play instead because I can't have any of my own opinions
Play PoE, you npc homosexual.
I have 100 hours after a month, I'm asking what supposedly better arpg people are playing because PoE is my favorite so far
diablo 4 of course
Why do you need to know what is in someone elses stash? why is that loaded for you?
you feed them lies now so you can milk them later
those stash tabs need a lot of RAM, now pay up piggie
No thank you I'll just water.
>I'm asking what supposedly better arpg people are playing
they're not playing anything better, dipshit. People binged D4 because it was new, and are back to squabbling over ARPGs like they always have been. Form your own opinions.
are you autistic? my post is a challenge, not whatever you imagine it is
I'm asking what the frick are people playing that's supposedly better than PoE because so far it's amazing and I don't understand the hate some people have for it
challenge deez nuts
They're not playing better games, just different ones
>Exilecon this week
Shills are getting spooked.
The alternative is last epoch.
Grim dawn is worth a play once you've tried PoE and LE. That's it, that's the whole genre.
Since everyone else is being moronic, I'll suggest Victor Vran for being a break from the usual 2d controls. Deathtrap is also pretty good although it lacks the level of itemization as the rest. Not sure if either is the best alternative but they're some of the better games in this genre.
I enjoyed both Diablo 2 and 3
But only really a suoomon necro or druid in Diablo 2. 3 I enjoyed a few classes
Grim Dawn is what I play now and again. It's a slower paced PoE
My only issue with PoE is that you cannot fricking increase the brightness without manually doing it on your monitor whch is moronic
yeah I don't really get the point of the light radius mechanic. it adds nothing to the game
>so what's the best alternative?
that's like asking what's the best alternative to being skinned and having salt rubbed into your flesh when the only other options are being repeatedly dipped into flesh melting acid, and having all your pain receptors activated by a continuous electrical shocks until your heart or brain gives out, because this is the absolute state of ARPGs right now
too hard
Any game that separates itself into endgame and not endgame, is shit
why
Because end games are just skinner boxes designed to keep you entertained with numbers going up. In every single game, once the addicts realize their numbers arent going up anymore, or they get burned out, they get angry because they realized they've wasted all their time on an experience that wasn't fun. It is happening with d4 right now, it is a journey to nowhere
>journey to nowhere
who tf plays games for the YOU WIN screen at the end? its the journey itself that counts, genius
And splitting the journey into 2 games makes it shit every time
Diablo 1/2 are great game because they weren't designed for an end game
Poe is bloated shit where players have to search for fun and never find it
>Poe is bloated shit
moron
Idk what that is, but it is clearly zoomed in, so you're not convincing me it isn't bloated
>Idk what that is
Yeah, you don't because you never played the game.
Why would I want to play a game that requires 3 external programs and 20 tabs open open at the same time
We know you're a moron baby that can't handle anything deeper than ATK/DEF. Stay in Diablo where everything is moron proof, sissy.
Stats aren't the problem, the game wasting your time to get to the part that is actually fun is
And why are you pretending that you don't use path of building and follow guides
>Stats aren't the problem
Actually, they are. Diablo 4's itemization is pure fricking AIDS. Go back.
If you think items are d4s problem and not the million other things wrong with it, you're a moron. All the items in the world won't make that game good
You already admitted you don't play POE. Leave.
The arcs on either side are each "Increase chance of side content, disable one kind entirely." So if you hate Expedition, for example, you can take that skill to never see expedition while also getting more of everything else to compensate for the skill point.
Sounds like a "solution" to all the bloat
there's more going on than just numbers in PoE to be fair, there's tons of content
That content only serves to increase your numbers, if something doesn't increase your numbers, it is ignored. Nothing is done for enjoyment
but the mechanics themselves are pretty enjoyable to interact with. if getting higher numbers is varied and fun, then what's the issue? I agree if it's a monotonous grind and the dopamine only comes from the numbers, but I can't say that's what PoE does
you can literally customize the endgame to what you like best
You're customizing how to increase your numbers. That isn't fun, it's work. That's why nobody who stops playing a skinner box looks back at them fondly. There are only addicts, and angry former addicts.
The arpg genre hasn't advanced in any meaningful way since diablo 1 besides how the game feels to play, and poe doesn't even feel good
>That isn't fun
but it is, dunno what to tell you man. you just don't like arpgs and that's fine
I'd play D3 rifts if I just wanted to increase my numbers without thinking, PoE actually has elaborate mechanics to interact with
PoE has tons of content. There's literally always some new shit to try and learn.
And if that new shit didn't come with items, you wouldn't play it
Almost all the league bosses I play for fun when presented with the opportunity. Me and my nephew played a shit ton of blight maps and simulacrum together regardless of loot
Poe has some good bosses
But so does lost ark, the hundreds of hours of monotony to fight them isn't worth it
Bro, honestly it's like 5-10 hours to maps and maybe 10-20 more hours before you're like in red and pretty kitted out. If you stay in standard, you can spend hundreds of hours doing whatever
You have to include all the hours you spent learning whatever tricks you know to get there that quickly.
That's why I included the upper range.
Poe is just a puzzle based action game with rng to make it interesting. The puzzle is combining available game resources to make a build that can clear/farm content the game challenges you with. That's it. No one actually cares about the power fantasy aspect, that's more of a Diablo 3 paragon farming GR problem. 99% of the active playerbase creates a new character after they hit level 90 something or clear some bosses.
last epoch would be the best in the genre if the multiplayer actually worked
>it's not like the genre has tons of great games
There are tons of great RPGs: Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Bloodborne, Dragon's Dogma, Morrowind, Witcher 2, 3, Fallout: New Vegas, Monster Hunter, Cyberpunk 2077 and Nier: Automata. Both Diablo and Path of Exile are pretty bland, repetetive and boring compared to these games.
>t. 40 year old giving his opinion incoming
Loved D2 but never full sperg on it
Played it multiple times as kid and young teen
Nox scratched the itch
Tried Titan Quest demo but never the whole thing as kid
Enjoyed Hellgate London's potential just needed more content
Borderlands 1+2 ok, but its not the same (3d, shooting, etc)
Fast forward 15ish years, whatever it is, no actual 'diablo' game in forever
Grim Dawn meh, slow
Marvel Heroes Super Wide but Shallow, actually loved it until it started doing MMO boss raids. For just getting drunk/stoned and grinding it was the shit.
Diablo 3 looking like absolute utter shit plus Blizzard losing all credibility 10x over the past 2 decades.
Then there was Path of Exile. Super rough around the edges, but the hype from closed beta, D3 looking like shit, the odd coincidence of "jay wilson" and "chris wilson", which compounded more when the BALD FRICKING RE--- I mean "Frick that Loser" comment came out. It was weird memey press that actually helped PoE immensely.
The first 4 years of PoE was insane. Legacy league I would still say is my most "fun" playing the game. Just the right amount of bloat, lots of OP options, the pre-scarab mechanic that had virtually no nerfed restrictions (ex Triple Beyond).
Fast forward to today, theres been a brief relapse of "ok" after 2 years of shit nerfy leagues and meh league mechanics. nothing has been worthy of core, and the newest core content is meh.
But PoE2 is likely 6 months away from RELEASE so I'm pretty hyped / mazed. Hope the slate gets wiped clean.
RIGHT NOW I am playing Everspace 2. Freelancer/Looter Space shooter. Before that I was doing poe league and Wolcen. Wolcen is laughably bad but feels fixable. Haven't touched Last Epoch or Lost Ark, yet.
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Grim Dawn and Torchlight II are good alternatives but most people already played them.
Since those two games aren't GaaS. They realistically can only be played for 100-200 hours before you get really bored with them.
Diablo II is the only alternative, and if you have played it to hell and back, there isn't really anything else.
It's not like there are alternatives that are super far ahead of them as far as I know, it's more that PoE isn't as relatively good as it was before when I would have readily suggested it to people.
>you aren't actually having fun, it's just placebo
what's up with all the armchair psychologists on Ganker?
No one can have a different opinion than ME
My opinions are objective reality and everyone else is a shill/psyop etc etc.
>Diablotrannies still can't decide whether POE has too much content or not enough content
We've already decided
It has too much shit "content" and not enough not shit content
Dunno about others, I'm a huge PoEgay, 6000 hours since 2014, and the only thing that made me fricking hate it in the years was Chris constantly nerfing the shit outta my builds... Not happy with that, he also removed years-old content, and to end it all, he completely fricked-up the economy by destroying one of the pillars of the community.
I remember that one time Chris made one of the kindest people quit the game because he kept nerfing every single minion build she made a video on
was it that asian girl who only made witch videos?
Yes it was, she tried to move to Diablo IV but apparently she just gave up
>Minions build in diablo 4
Yikes
Reject the real-time, RETVRN to the tradition.
>I constantly see people talking shit about PoE, so what's the best alternative?
There is none. Either wait for PoE to get good again or don't play the genre, its dead.
Last Epoch
Grim Dawn
when is poe2 beta?
We will have news in 6 days
>constantly see people talking shit about PoE
>people
it's mostly just pathofmatth on a dozen or two different sockpuppets
just play d4, it's the best ARPG ever made. People just hate on it because TORTANIC and LE HONGKONG.
I have to agree.
You just can't deny that D4 is a masterpiece of game design, created by the best professionals in the industry. A proverbial feast for the eyes with stunning graphic effects, meaningful and rewarding gameplay. But even if the haters were right and D4 was a mediocre game it wouldn't change much.
PoE atm is a clusterfrick of mechanics put on top of each other, coupled with casino-tier "crafting" system that fully relies on a third-party discord channel, whose owners make 100s of thousands of usd by selling perfect items for real money. What is GGG reaction to this? "if i ignore it maybe it will disappear.jpg".
GGG had a lucky streak because D3 devs weren't able to think ahead and failed to provide the players with any endgame content. Now, with the new approach, it's over. PoE2 will be a huge flop, because the only redeeming part of the original was this satisfaction when you finally create an OP char that clears several screens and moves at the speed of light. GGG actively wants to kill it, they are obsessed with nerfing every single non-shit skill to the ground (because it's easier than balancing the bloated mess of 100+ skills and support gems that they have shat out over the years). They did that, consecutively, league after league and they want to take it to whole another level in PoE2. It's absolutely and totally over. It was fun while it lasted. Chris hyped it up, sold 90% of GGG shares to Tencent and then nuked the whole fricking thing while gleefully rubbing his hairy hands on his way to the bank.
whats up with this league? i swear last time i checked months ago it was the same one. are they just going to run the same one until 2 comes out something?
It's extended out because they're announcing the next league at exilecon next week. The league itself will start in early august.
play diablo 4 they have entertaining cringe live streams https://youtu.be/E3hqbG5VRJg
imagine taking metacritic user score seriously
also stop shilling your moronic Black person channel
Is poe worth getting into now
i think so yeah but dont feel compelled to do all the content in the endgame. its perfectly fine to ignore a lot of stuff and just do what you feel like. also consider completely ignoring trade, its not for everyone but this massively improved the game for me. doing all my own crafting and stitching together a build out of trash-mediocre gear feels way more rewarding imo.
just wait for poe2
We are one week away from getting news, watch the exilecon livestream and start playing by then
Its only fun for maybe a month into the league then everyone ditches it to play other stuff
>bro just disable the content just don't play just buy everything from the market
I really hate that PoEgays defend this mentality.
Diablo 1
Diablo 2
Everything else is shit
Titan Quest is great
Grim Dawn is trash
If you just want a play through the game's base campaign, it's a great way to spend like 12-15 hours of your time. It's completely free and you don't need to pay for stashes or anything like that. If you're just a casual who wants to do this, then there should be nothing wrong with POE.
However, the problems of the game begin to arise when you reach endgame. And funnily enough, it has nothing to do with the stash monetization.
>Entire market is controlled by a troony RMT discord that literally sells items through their website
I know GGG is lazy and would rather let the community do the work but they can frick right off with that TFT garbage
diablo 4