there aren’t that many games that are perfect and deliver such thorough entertainment for many hours, and exceed all expectations. when one comes along, it’s celebrated for decades
It's not even close to perfect. The controls are garbage and RE4 is the only shooter in existence which controls worse with mouse and keyboard than a controller. Controlling Leon is like moving through cold molasses, which severely affects the overall enjoyment of the game. This is the primary reason why the remake is so much better than the original.
>controls are garbage
They are extremely precise and are well suited for the challenges the game throws at you. Just because they are unconventional compared to today doesn't mean they're bad.
Yeah pretty much. Leon's tank controls might seem unintuitive if you're new but the game is 100% designed around them on every level and it's extremely satisfying to play after the most brief amount of time getting used to it.
I love tank controls, I just don't think they are suitable for when I need to aim and control a camera.
How so? They're perfect for a game series that was is and always has been designed around not being able to run and shoot at the same time.
>How so? They're perfect for a game series that was is and always has been designed around not being able to run and shoot at the same time.
They make an action game feel like shit, and also I don't care about old design philosophy when the gameplay was changed so radically. Tank controls make RE4 original a subpar action game, which is why the remake, 5, and 6 will always be better action games than the original 4.
damn I didnt even notice them when I played it, not sure why 4 on PC controls so much worse than 5 then
3 months ago
Anonymous
because on 5 you can turn around with mouse, so you only hold w.
in 4 you can do this with the hd mod but it's weirdly implemented. you will have to turn with w+a/d and it sucks dick.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's the last RE game to have them and is also the conclusion to the entire series story-wise. I find it pretty neat. They should've stopped making em after 5
Yeah, but it's worse when a game was designed around the limitation of controllers. MP added lock on, and re4 added the laser/slow mobs, both rendered redundant or even detrimental with mouselook. It may as well be god mode. Which is fun every now and again. Like a Chicago Typewriter run
tank controls aren't the problem as much as your vision being locked to tank controls outside of a side glance you can do. works great for normal gameplay where you are in the role of a walking turret against a horde, but when you are in a boss fight and something is directly chasing you with attack patterns I think it breaks down a bit, looking at an enemy to engage with it and being mobile to dodge attacks become oil and water.
Yes, everything good is actually bad.
Yes, it's not ok to enjoy things.
Yes, you are not just a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
Yes, Resident Evil 4 was meant to be played with a mouse and keyboard, not a controller.
Yes, tank controls are garbage; every third person game should have the controls of GTA/RedDeadRedemption or Dark Souls - nothing else is acceptable.
Yes, the remake is much better than the original.
It's mostly the level / scenario design.
I didn't get the hype when I first played it either - thought it was a 7/10 (like Ocarina of Time).
It's only after playing way more games that you realise how bad its competition was.
There are more mechanically interesting games you could be playing - but RE4 has them beat in level / scenario design.
>after playing way more games that you realise how bad its competition was.
This is all it takes to be a classic with video games. They're so challenging to make that the 'least bad' ones get remembered as long as they have some style and a tiny bit of substance. You're right the level design is the key appeal here but also the campy, simple narrative, perfect pacing. And actually cool and sleak, yet grotesque aesthetic. The game delivers enough tension throughout to feel like a great thriller game and you've got inventory management, upgrades, secrets to find and a few puzzles that are just hard enough to make you think for a couple minutes. It's a well balanced game, a crowd pleaser
I've been thinking a lot about how the base mechanics of a game are like the raw ingredients in a recipe and the execution/cultural background of the devs is like the seasoning. I like seeking out games with varying levels of mechanical polish, as to build a metaphorical ramp from a undifferentiated software, to a masterpiece game.
Idk where I'm going with this. We tend to love Japanese games for their nice art and whimsical narratives but the truth is they were so influential because of their early technical mastery of game mechanics. Imo they completely mogged the west, from the 70s into the 90s then lost their advantage
They removed it because the patch was also for some fixes which didn't work. The DRM is still there to my knowledge. Other Capcom games have gotten Engima DRM, lately including Monster Hunter Rise. Apparently RE5 has had it since it got that GFWL patch last year.
RE5 patch also added choice between modern FOV and Original.
I don't know whether it changed lightning though.
I believe PS4/Xbox One/Switch version had tone down some lightning effects. Which looks worse than original PC port.
I think they'll add it to all their supported games. RE4 2005 included.
Street fighter 4 wouldn't get updated. SSFIV? maybe
No joke it went from being a great game to one of my favorites. Before I tried it I thought it was one of those secret club type shit opinions >try this lesser known version of the game >bro the 3DS version of MGS3 is actually the best one
Turned out people weren't lying
Their controls sadly don't work the way you expect them to but FF4 and the remake of FF2 are still great. Nothing beats (semi?)fixed camera angles of the PS2 trilogy though
Because the Wiimote is essentially a mouse. Precision aiming is always going to feel better than awkwardly moving an analog stick and/or relying on auto aim
When the wii mote was used as a pointer device it really outclassed everything else. Games like wii pikmin, metroid trilogy and Pandora's tower all play amazing.
I loved it for almost bringing back light gun games, shame most publishers went full moron and focused on the PS move instead, killing any chance of a revival
So many missed opportunities with that console, like why no light saber game?
When the wii mote was used as a pointer device it really outclassed everything else. Games like wii pikmin, metroid trilogy and Pandora's tower all play amazing.
re4 is tougher with fast-moving las plagas ambushing you and the chainsaws taking you instantly, and it’s almost 3 times the length of classic re and gets progressively more difficult. especially the original gamecube release which had less upgrades and no armor.
in comparison to slow zombies, re4 has much greater difficulty throughout. you have to be good at action games and face continually shifting hoardes of enemies. classic re is a lot easier to get a handle on and you usually face only a few enemies at a time. not saying it’s easy but in comparison to 4, just look at the second krauser boss fight- there’s nothing in classic re that is that challenging. friends of mine who were casual gave up on the game, often before even getting there, because they didn’t save ammo and had no clue how to get through certain areas. classic is much slower and relaxec fighting
>You're forgetting lickers, hunters, nemesis, fast zombies, chimeras, ect
which you face only a small number of compared to hundreds throughout re4. re4 is full of action. i didn’t make it that way or suggest it was superior to survival horror but it is more difficult for s casual player. you can move the goal post as much as you like, re4 is harder for casual players to beat than classic re
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bro you're in bizzaro world. Give any 12 year old Resident evil 1 (PSX) and Resident evil 5 and they wouldn't last a second in 1
3 months ago
Anonymous
we weren’t talking about 12 year olds. you said casual players. and even your claim is bullshit because little kids can get a handle on resident evil. i beat it when i was a teen with no internet or guide. re4 requires you get good at combat, which is not as casual as dying and then remembering to aim faster next time on the surprise enemy
3 months ago
Anonymous
>re4 requires you get good at combat
Like punching 6 zombies as once?
> which is not as casual as dying and then remembering to aim faster next
Re 1 2 and 3 are required to play arcade mode. Thats how you unlock shit. No saving whatsoever
>we weren’t talking about 12 year olds. you said casual players
No YOU said casual players. 12 year olds ARE casual players. They mainly play Call of Duty, Fortnite and Mario Kart.
They don't play Silent Hill, Ps1 Resident evil, ect
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Like punching 6 zombies as once?
there’s no punch attack in re4, and no zombies. and you never have the ability to hit 6 in one move like that. you might roundhouse kick 2. mostly you have to engage in combat with many at once and skill is required. bosses are trickier
The hype is that RE4 was easy enough for normies to beat unlike the first 3
>The hype is that RE4 was easy enough for normies to beat unlike the first 3
i assume by normies you mean casual players but by all means keep moving that goal post >They don't play Silent Hill, Ps1 Resident evil, ect
my nephew is 14 and his favorite games are silent hill 2 and metal gear solid 3, and he’s beat them. probably a few years ago, too. when i gave him my old ps2. if you don’t know any little kids who are more than casual gamers, you don’t have gamers in your family.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>there’s no punch attack in re4
also gif related. >punching a chainsaw man
In Re4 you can kick a chainsaw guy like it is nothing
> if you don’t know any little kids who are more than casual gamers, you don’t have gamers in your family.
Most kids are on fortnite and call of duty. You cant say thats wrong.
>muh family is an exception
3 months ago
Anonymous
the thrust punch is a pc mod, you fricking moron. it’s not part of the game. it’s wesker’s mercenaries attack only. that’s a mod to let leon use it in the regular campaign. you probably haven’t even played re4, you just hatewatched youtubers playing it
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the thrust punch is a pc mod
I was probably thinking of RE 5, same shit
>you probably haven’t even played re4
855 come on now
In RE4 all you have to do is shoot the head once or leg and melee them. To say RE4 is harder than RE1 is just plain stupidity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
well it’s just my strong opinion, and maybe i am stupid. we can disagree. one thing is for sure, this makes me want to revisit all of classic re and 4. and that is exciting.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>we can disagree
yeah >one thing is for sure, this makes me want to revisit all of classic re and 4
based, same
3 months ago
Anonymous
A problem I have is sometimes I Shoot them in the leg or head and they Stumble back a bit, so I run up to them Planning on melee them, only to not get the buttons prop and taking shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
That happens but wasnt really a major issue for me so much. The classic REs like 1 and 3 give me so much stress i hesitate to play them
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you capitalize random words like a moron?
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's a developer
3 months ago
Anonymous
You've never played these games homosexual stop commenting and have a nice day
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Re 1 2 and 3 are required to play arcade mode. Thats how you unlock shit. No saving whatsoever
you just fricking made that up,not saving can unlock you one inifinite weapon in RE2,and the game is easy enough without it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>not saving can unlock you one inifinite weapon in RE2
I think you can still save like 2 times, no?
3 months ago
Anonymous
The only people I've ever seen say this are ones that played enough of the old ones to get good at that control scheme to a stupid degree and that now can't remember what a b***h the first 3 are on your first playthrough. Of course the enemies are fewer and not technically as capable because your character isn't nearly as capable due to the controls. Zombies off screen that you can shoot and that you know how many bullets to kill are easy but before you actually have the game memorized off screen zombies are a complete nightmare and could cause you to lose all the ammo you had. It's like trying to say that cod is harder than re2 because it has more enemies and they can shoot back.
classic resident evil tends to more stressful in the sense of long term decision making, having to plan out routes and your inventory. In re4 as long as you're happy with your weapon loadout, you are more comfortable always knowing you are on the right track within the game, any setback being a momentary failure in a combat arena.
The game has a dynamic difficulty slider that makes the game easier if you die a lot or have bad shot accuracy. I'm convinced that RE4 would be nowhere near as popular without this hidden feature.
its hard (fun hard not tedious hard) on professional mode but even then i still find the original 3 games to be tougher especially the first game, those damn hunters are hard to avoid and hard to kill. as much as i like the design of the lickers, they are piss easy in comparasion since you can just walk away from them and they never notice you
The more I browse this board, the more I learn that most gamers here are just fricking terrible at games. Classic RE has ALWAYS been easy as piss, ESPECIALLY RE2. RE3 is the only game that comes close to RE4 difficulty, and that's only if you try to fight Nemesis. The old games pretty much played themselves because of how good the auto aim was and how powerful shit like the shotgun was. The only difficult portion of the games were figuring out where to go, and after RE1, they made it easier to navigate. RE2 is super linear, and RE3 straight up tells you where to go on the map.
RE4 difficulty stems from having more aggressive enemies while still having the same controls of the classics. Positioning is far more important here, not to mention that in RE4, you have to fight more enemies with different roles all at once. That's what makes RE4 combat so fun compared to the others. You are no longer fighting the laziest enemy type in gaming.
remember that """people""" on this board actually get filtered by the water room, a large open space where you can snipe 80% of the enemies before they can even reach you. these are the people you share a board with.
And yet I prefer the zombie enemies over spanish speaking villagers whom attacks you with enemies. The fun was always about killing zombies, not angry villagers.
>The fun was always about killing zombies,
The fun of classic RE was the puzzle solving. The actual combat has always been terrible, outside of RE3.
>Classic RE has ALWAYS been easy as piss
I find the original US version of RE1 and RE0 to be fricking difficult
>I find the original US version of RE1 and RE0 to be fricking difficul
That's because Capcom HATED the idea of people renting the game, so they made the OG US release stupid hard. Every port afterward has the original difficulty, I think at least. For RE0, I found more annoying than hard. It's just super tedious and obnoxious.
>The actual combat has always been terrible
It was cinematic. We weren't used to such a thing. Such amazing little details. Nowadays it's all available in other games.
What are you talking about, combat was great in RE2DS' Extreme Battle LV3. It's just that devs back then were concerned that kids (the majority of their audience) couldn't tackle on more deadly threats and toned down combat in the main playthrough but you cansee it shine in optional minigames they designed or additional difficulties implemented in other ports (Hard/Nightmare).
>splinter cell >third person shooter
lel, even in Chaos Theory which is the most action friendly, the guns all feel like shit because it's a STEALTH game. That's like saying Resident Evil 7 is a first person shooter just because it's in first person.
The tank controls sucked. >inb4 zoomer
I played and finished the game when it came out. My friend made me get it insiting it was the greatest game of all time. Controls are shit. By the PS2 era there is no excues for this unlike the ps1 datys. Escorting and protecting the whiney brat was not fun. Difficulty becomes a joke after you leave the village. And don't forget it has QTEs.
Its not a bad game. Since I finished it it means its OK but 10/10 masterpiece greatest of all time?
Zoomer, your arguments don't make any sense.
This is the first game with modern TPS control scheme. By PS2 era TPS still had weird controls. Name me one other game from that generation.
RE4 has hardly any true escorting. You can look it up Ashley is not available for the most of the game.
QTEs are fun in RE4.
Castle and still retains difficulty with added enemy types. People weren't used to TPS controls as it was the first game, so it was harder than today for pretty much everyone.
>10/10 masterpiece greatest of all time
pretty much yeah
>QTEs are fun >press 2 buttons when screen tells you to
wow, such fun, what a blast
homie there’s like a total of 10-15 qte events in the 15-20 hour game. it’s just the occasional chance for you to get hit with a surprise where you have to be on your toes.
Button mashing to run away from a boulder is annoying. I don't know what kind of person you have to be to find that crap exciting but anyway I don't see why RE4 gets such a gold star for it when lots of other games have the same thing.
re4 doesn’t get a gold star for a dumb qte, and it’s not exciting. it’s one tiny element in the game, and it doesn’t diminish the rest which is brilliant. you’re struggling with moronation and arguing nonsensical strawman horseshit, kid
ashley is such a non issue since she stays close to you and unless you suck a fat dick, zombies shouldnt be getting that close to you, not to mention you can kick them
She really isn't.
Two points come to mind for me. Water room. That's also my favorite part in the game. Partially because of that.
I also told her to wait early in castle and she got kidnapped. Which again was fun, as I wasn't expecting that.
Game doesn't bother you with her otherwise.
Worst game in the RE franchise. It's not even a traditional RE game. It's as if the devs were making a different game and decided to add only two characters from RE in order to make this game sale.
this is one of those games that starts fun and stays fun all the way through, if you dont get it then i dont know what to tell you, you are probably a zoomer, but that cant be it since im one too.
this. the game continually introduces new and exciting areas, so many that every time i replay it i’m surprised by how huge a game it is and how much fun playing it is. it never gets old
I'm sure you can tell me why this is not the case and somehow the gunplay + knife parry combo gameplay of the remake is inferior to the shit controls + gun + no knife parry gameplay of the original
nta, and the parry is neat, but the rng of the stagger -> melee follow-up of the remake is far worse. Re4 gets fun because the combat works like a well oiled machine. I shoot head/knee, I get melee prompt, I knock down the whole mob with my mighty boot. I am in complete control of the battlefield. In RE4make I consistently get headshots and the enemy doesn't even register it. They just keep walking. That alone is why I prefer og
so you prefer the original because it's easy mode stagger on headshot, nice
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes yes, and you prefer difficulty from dice rolls rather then intelligent design. Lets add some critical parry fails too eh? In all seriousness, when thing go sideways in og vs RE, it's nice to know if it was a mistake & my fault, and not just blind luck. I don't usually respect rng as a game mechanic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Since the remake has a good control scheme, guaranteed stunlock on headshots, which you can hit every time, means you have guaranteed stunlock for every single shot you take. I don't want to defend RNG, but the game would be too easy at this point, and it's already very easy to begin with, even on professional.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a dice roll, enemies will stagger after a certain damage to a critical spot, you just have to account for that by properly positioning yourself and making you can land enough bullets safely before the enemy closes the distance between you and him. And there's always a last resort measure (either the knife parry or a shotgun blast) if that fails.
It works exactly like the original games, where zombies would stagger after a certain amount of damage - RNG would do its thing - sometimes you got lucky and put them on the ground after the 4th bullet, sometimes they could sponge half a clip.
>superb atmosphere >fun cqc mechanics and boss battles >nice weapon variety >very satisfying gunplay >challenging but fair >good AI >amazing graphics >very likable characters >interesting story >nice replayability >3 distinct locations with different enemies, settings and atmosphere to explore >peak survival horror experience with lots of adrenaline rush >ported and released on multiple platforms across generations so everyone can experince this masterpiece
Need more?
you're lucky you're on /vr/ or i'd do the not sure if that matters post
there aren’t that many games that are perfect and deliver such thorough entertainment for many hours, and exceed all expectations. when one comes along, it’s celebrated for decades
It's not even close to perfect. The controls are garbage and RE4 is the only shooter in existence which controls worse with mouse and keyboard than a controller. Controlling Leon is like moving through cold molasses, which severely affects the overall enjoyment of the game. This is the primary reason why the remake is so much better than the original.
>re4 is shit
yea, maybe
>because the remake is better
gay
The controls are literal perfection.
It will be when it fits big hands.
>controls are garbage
They are extremely precise and are well suited for the challenges the game throws at you. Just because they are unconventional compared to today doesn't mean they're bad.
Yeah pretty much. Leon's tank controls might seem unintuitive if you're new but the game is 100% designed around them on every level and it's extremely satisfying to play after the most brief amount of time getting used to it.
How so? They're perfect for a game series that was is and always has been designed around not being able to run and shoot at the same time.
>How so? They're perfect for a game series that was is and always has been designed around not being able to run and shoot at the same time.
They make an action game feel like shit, and also I don't care about old design philosophy when the gameplay was changed so radically. Tank controls make RE4 original a subpar action game, which is why the remake, 5, and 6 will always be better action games than the original 4.
5 has tank controls
damn I didnt even notice them when I played it, not sure why 4 on PC controls so much worse than 5 then
because on 5 you can turn around with mouse, so you only hold w.
in 4 you can do this with the hd mod but it's weirdly implemented. you will have to turn with w+a/d and it sucks dick.
Yeah it's the last RE game to have them and is also the conclusion to the entire series story-wise. I find it pretty neat. They should've stopped making em after 5
>filtered by tank controls
>on RE4
lol
I love tank controls, I just don't think they are suitable for when I need to aim and control a camera.
Who the frick plays RE4 with mouse and keyboard? I bet Mario 64 would suck shit like that too lol.
>playing a shooter without a mouse
Not sure what to tell ya kid
Do you play Time Crisis and Duck Hunt with a mouse, too?
If the option exists yes I would
They are not designed for that you moron. That option exists on emulators, and it sucks, because you become way too precise.
Don't care
Works fine for games designed around it, don't be a scrub.
>playing a game designed specifically for controllers with a mouse
not sure what to tell ya kid
Not OP but I RE4 with raw mouse input is bliss. It's the only way I could ever clear it on professional.
it literally makes the game easymode, like the wii version
That's the reality with every shooter. It's especially worse for a survival horror series.
Yeah, but it's worse when a game was designed around the limitation of controllers. MP added lock on, and re4 added the laser/slow mobs, both rendered redundant or even detrimental with mouselook. It may as well be god mode. Which is fun every now and again. Like a Chicago Typewriter run
I dunno what that dude is talking about anyway, mouse RE4 is just cheat mode
tank controls aren't the problem as much as your vision being locked to tank controls outside of a side glance you can do. works great for normal gameplay where you are in the role of a walking turret against a horde, but when you are in a boss fight and something is directly chasing you with attack patterns I think it breaks down a bit, looking at an enemy to engage with it and being mobile to dodge attacks become oil and water.
modern pc gamers are an embarrassment
I've been on PC for 26 years, and I love tank controls in classic RE. RE4 original plays like shit, deal with it kid.
You're moronic, bud.
I hate RE4, but I'd much rather play the original than the politically correct version(remake).
>The controls are garbage
what an astoundingly hot take
i beat this game on gamecube, ps2, wii, and PC, and it was excellent every time
Yes, everything good is actually bad.
Yes, it's not ok to enjoy things.
Yes, you are not just a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
Yes, Resident Evil 4 was meant to be played with a mouse and keyboard, not a controller.
Yes, tank controls are garbage; every third person game should have the controls of GTA/RedDeadRedemption or Dark Souls - nothing else is acceptable.
Yes, the remake is much better than the original.
It's mostly the level / scenario design.
I didn't get the hype when I first played it either - thought it was a 7/10 (like Ocarina of Time).
It's only after playing way more games that you realise how bad its competition was.
There are more mechanically interesting games you could be playing - but RE4 has them beat in level / scenario design.
>after playing way more games that you realise how bad its competition was.
This is all it takes to be a classic with video games. They're so challenging to make that the 'least bad' ones get remembered as long as they have some style and a tiny bit of substance. You're right the level design is the key appeal here but also the campy, simple narrative, perfect pacing. And actually cool and sleak, yet grotesque aesthetic. The game delivers enough tension throughout to feel like a great thriller game and you've got inventory management, upgrades, secrets to find and a few puzzles that are just hard enough to make you think for a couple minutes. It's a well balanced game, a crowd pleaser
This guy gets it. Most over the shoulder shooters suck. To this day, this is the only over-the-shoulder shooter I intend on replaying.
I've been thinking a lot about how the base mechanics of a game are like the raw ingredients in a recipe and the execution/cultural background of the devs is like the seasoning. I like seeking out games with varying levels of mechanical polish, as to build a metaphorical ramp from a undifferentiated software, to a masterpiece game.
Idk where I'm going with this. We tend to love Japanese games for their nice art and whimsical narratives but the truth is they were so influential because of their early technical mastery of game mechanics. Imo they completely mogged the west, from the 70s into the 90s then lost their advantage
>7/10
thats not really a bad score
does anyone know why this was updated today?
capcom has been fricking up their games with drm lately. might be related to that.
they did it to revelation though and removed it after backlash. i don't see why they would do it to 4 now.
They removed it because the patch was also for some fixes which didn't work. The DRM is still there to my knowledge. Other Capcom games have gotten Engima DRM, lately including Monster Hunter Rise. Apparently RE5 has had it since it got that GFWL patch last year.
RE5 patch also added choice between modern FOV and Original.
I don't know whether it changed lightning though.
I believe PS4/Xbox One/Switch version had tone down some lightning effects. Which looks worse than original PC port.
I think they'll add it to all their supported games. RE4 2005 included.
Street fighter 4 wouldn't get updated. SSFIV? maybe
The Wii version is one of the most fun vidya experiences in existence
I'm currently playing the Wii version and it's amazing. I love the control scheme so much bro. Makes the game an 11/10
No joke it went from being a great game to one of my favorites. Before I tried it I thought it was one of those secret club type shit opinions
>try this lesser known version of the game
>bro the 3DS version of MGS3 is actually the best one
Turned out people weren't lying
Motion controls / light gun are great for a game like RE4
I've never tried them but I imagine the Fatal Frame games are also good for that reason
Their controls sadly don't work the way you expect them to but FF4 and the remake of FF2 are still great. Nothing beats (semi?)fixed camera angles of the PS2 trilogy though
Because the Wiimote is essentially a mouse. Precision aiming is always going to feel better than awkwardly moving an analog stick and/or relying on auto aim
When the wii mote was used as a pointer device it really outclassed everything else. Games like wii pikmin, metroid trilogy and Pandora's tower all play amazing.
I loved it for almost bringing back light gun games, shame most publishers went full moron and focused on the PS move instead, killing any chance of a revival
So many missed opportunities with that console, like why no light saber game?
>Pandora's Tower
There are only like 10 7th gen games that I truly respect and this one is among them
Nice, fellow pandora lovers
The hype is that RE4 was easy enough for normies to beat unlike the first 3
re4 is tougher with fast-moving las plagas ambushing you and the chainsaws taking you instantly, and it’s almost 3 times the length of classic re and gets progressively more difficult. especially the original gamecube release which had less upgrades and no armor.
>re4 is tougher
No, no its not.
>muh chainsaw man
>muh knock 6 zombies down with 1 punch
in comparison to slow zombies, re4 has much greater difficulty throughout. you have to be good at action games and face continually shifting hoardes of enemies. classic re is a lot easier to get a handle on and you usually face only a few enemies at a time. not saying it’s easy but in comparison to 4, just look at the second krauser boss fight- there’s nothing in classic re that is that challenging. friends of mine who were casual gave up on the game, often before even getting there, because they didn’t save ammo and had no clue how to get through certain areas. classic is much slower and relaxec fighting
>in comparison to slow zombies
You're forgetting lickers, hunters, nemesis, fast zombies, chimeras, ect
> you have to be good at action games
Survival horror> action games
>You're forgetting lickers, hunters, nemesis, fast zombies, chimeras, ect
which you face only a small number of compared to hundreds throughout re4. re4 is full of action. i didn’t make it that way or suggest it was superior to survival horror but it is more difficult for s casual player. you can move the goal post as much as you like, re4 is harder for casual players to beat than classic re
Bro you're in bizzaro world. Give any 12 year old Resident evil 1 (PSX) and Resident evil 5 and they wouldn't last a second in 1
we weren’t talking about 12 year olds. you said casual players. and even your claim is bullshit because little kids can get a handle on resident evil. i beat it when i was a teen with no internet or guide. re4 requires you get good at combat, which is not as casual as dying and then remembering to aim faster next time on the surprise enemy
>re4 requires you get good at combat
Like punching 6 zombies as once?
> which is not as casual as dying and then remembering to aim faster next
Re 1 2 and 3 are required to play arcade mode. Thats how you unlock shit. No saving whatsoever
>we weren’t talking about 12 year olds. you said casual players
No YOU said casual players. 12 year olds ARE casual players. They mainly play Call of Duty, Fortnite and Mario Kart.
They don't play Silent Hill, Ps1 Resident evil, ect
>Like punching 6 zombies as once?
there’s no punch attack in re4, and no zombies. and you never have the ability to hit 6 in one move like that. you might roundhouse kick 2. mostly you have to engage in combat with many at once and skill is required. bosses are trickier
>The hype is that RE4 was easy enough for normies to beat unlike the first 3
i assume by normies you mean casual players but by all means keep moving that goal post
>They don't play Silent Hill, Ps1 Resident evil, ect
my nephew is 14 and his favorite games are silent hill 2 and metal gear solid 3, and he’s beat them. probably a few years ago, too. when i gave him my old ps2. if you don’t know any little kids who are more than casual gamers, you don’t have gamers in your family.
>there’s no punch attack in re4
also gif related.
>punching a chainsaw man
In Re4 you can kick a chainsaw guy like it is nothing
> if you don’t know any little kids who are more than casual gamers, you don’t have gamers in your family.
Most kids are on fortnite and call of duty. You cant say thats wrong.
>muh family is an exception
the thrust punch is a pc mod, you fricking moron. it’s not part of the game. it’s wesker’s mercenaries attack only. that’s a mod to let leon use it in the regular campaign. you probably haven’t even played re4, you just hatewatched youtubers playing it
>the thrust punch is a pc mod
I was probably thinking of RE 5, same shit
>you probably haven’t even played re4
855 come on now
In RE4 all you have to do is shoot the head once or leg and melee them. To say RE4 is harder than RE1 is just plain stupidity.
well it’s just my strong opinion, and maybe i am stupid. we can disagree. one thing is for sure, this makes me want to revisit all of classic re and 4. and that is exciting.
>we can disagree
yeah
>one thing is for sure, this makes me want to revisit all of classic re and 4
based, same
A problem I have is sometimes I Shoot them in the leg or head and they Stumble back a bit, so I run up to them Planning on melee them, only to not get the buttons prop and taking shit
That happens but wasnt really a major issue for me so much. The classic REs like 1 and 3 give me so much stress i hesitate to play them
Why do you capitalize random words like a moron?
He's a developer
You've never played these games homosexual stop commenting and have a nice day
>Re 1 2 and 3 are required to play arcade mode. Thats how you unlock shit. No saving whatsoever
you just fricking made that up,not saving can unlock you one inifinite weapon in RE2,and the game is easy enough without it.
>not saving can unlock you one inifinite weapon in RE2
I think you can still save like 2 times, no?
The only people I've ever seen say this are ones that played enough of the old ones to get good at that control scheme to a stupid degree and that now can't remember what a b***h the first 3 are on your first playthrough. Of course the enemies are fewer and not technically as capable because your character isn't nearly as capable due to the controls. Zombies off screen that you can shoot and that you know how many bullets to kill are easy but before you actually have the game memorized off screen zombies are a complete nightmare and could cause you to lose all the ammo you had. It's like trying to say that cod is harder than re2 because it has more enemies and they can shoot back.
classic resident evil tends to more stressful in the sense of long term decision making, having to plan out routes and your inventory. In re4 as long as you're happy with your weapon loadout, you are more comfortable always knowing you are on the right track within the game, any setback being a momentary failure in a combat arena.
>much greater difficulty throughout
>turns the difficulty down if you die too many times
Nah, RE4 is trash
Doesn't happen on Pro.
The game has a dynamic difficulty slider that makes the game easier if you die a lot or have bad shot accuracy. I'm convinced that RE4 would be nowhere near as popular without this hidden feature.
its hard (fun hard not tedious hard) on professional mode but even then i still find the original 3 games to be tougher especially the first game, those damn hunters are hard to avoid and hard to kill. as much as i like the design of the lickers, they are piss easy in comparasion since you can just walk away from them and they never notice you
The more I browse this board, the more I learn that most gamers here are just fricking terrible at games. Classic RE has ALWAYS been easy as piss, ESPECIALLY RE2. RE3 is the only game that comes close to RE4 difficulty, and that's only if you try to fight Nemesis. The old games pretty much played themselves because of how good the auto aim was and how powerful shit like the shotgun was. The only difficult portion of the games were figuring out where to go, and after RE1, they made it easier to navigate. RE2 is super linear, and RE3 straight up tells you where to go on the map.
RE4 difficulty stems from having more aggressive enemies while still having the same controls of the classics. Positioning is far more important here, not to mention that in RE4, you have to fight more enemies with different roles all at once. That's what makes RE4 combat so fun compared to the others. You are no longer fighting the laziest enemy type in gaming.
remember that """people""" on this board actually get filtered by the water room, a large open space where you can snipe 80% of the enemies before they can even reach you. these are the people you share a board with.
And yet I prefer the zombie enemies over spanish speaking villagers whom attacks you with enemies. The fun was always about killing zombies, not angry villagers.
>The fun was always about killing zombies,
The fun of classic RE was the puzzle solving. The actual combat has always been terrible, outside of RE3.
>I find the original US version of RE1 and RE0 to be fricking difficul
That's because Capcom HATED the idea of people renting the game, so they made the OG US release stupid hard. Every port afterward has the original difficulty, I think at least. For RE0, I found more annoying than hard. It's just super tedious and obnoxious.
>The actual combat has always been terrible
It was cinematic. We weren't used to such a thing. Such amazing little details. Nowadays it's all available in other games.
>The fun of classic RE was the puzzle solving
The fun of classic RE was dodging zombies and only shooting when necessary
No, the fun was always shooting zombies. Puzzles just get in the way of progress.
What are you talking about, combat was great in RE2DS' Extreme Battle LV3. It's just that devs back then were concerned that kids (the majority of their audience) couldn't tackle on more deadly threats and toned down combat in the main playthrough but you cansee it shine in optional minigames they designed or additional difficulties implemented in other ports (Hard/Nightmare).
>Classic RE has ALWAYS been easy as piss
I find the original US version of RE1 and RE0 to be fricking difficult
It's the best game of all time.
Maybe one day I'll play it on pc with the HD fan Patch (I played the switch my first time and didn't end up finishing it)
First modern TPS
Game is amazing and all that, but main thing is this is the game invented the genre.
spintercell beat it by 3 years.
Why don't we have Splinter Cell threads than?
Cruddy game if I'm being honest
>splinter cell
>third person shooter
lel, even in Chaos Theory which is the most action friendly, the guns all feel like shit because it's a STEALTH game. That's like saying Resident Evil 7 is a first person shooter just because it's in first person.
it's funny when people get tricked by joystick-mounted gun rail shooters and get confused when MAME won't let them use a light gun
The tank controls sucked.
>inb4 zoomer
I played and finished the game when it came out. My friend made me get it insiting it was the greatest game of all time. Controls are shit. By the PS2 era there is no excues for this unlike the ps1 datys. Escorting and protecting the whiney brat was not fun. Difficulty becomes a joke after you leave the village. And don't forget it has QTEs.
Its not a bad game. Since I finished it it means its OK but 10/10 masterpiece greatest of all time?
Zoomer, your arguments don't make any sense.
This is the first game with modern TPS control scheme. By PS2 era TPS still had weird controls. Name me one other game from that generation.
RE4 has hardly any true escorting. You can look it up Ashley is not available for the most of the game.
QTEs are fun in RE4.
Castle and still retains difficulty with added enemy types. People weren't used to TPS controls as it was the first game, so it was harder than today for pretty much everyone.
>QTEs are fun
>press 2 buttons when screen tells you to
wow, such fun, what a blast
Yes RE4 has great implementation on QTEs. You can replay the game to find out.
Any other of your previous points you'd like to follow up upon?
>10/10 masterpiece greatest of all time
pretty much yeah
homie there’s like a total of 10-15 qte events in the 15-20 hour game. it’s just the occasional chance for you to get hit with a surprise where you have to be on your toes.
Button mashing to run away from a boulder is annoying. I don't know what kind of person you have to be to find that crap exciting but anyway I don't see why RE4 gets such a gold star for it when lots of other games have the same thing.
re4 doesn’t get a gold star for a dumb qte, and it’s not exciting. it’s one tiny element in the game, and it doesn’t diminish the rest which is brilliant. you’re struggling with moronation and arguing nonsensical strawman horseshit, kid
ashley is such a non issue since she stays close to you and unless you suck a fat dick, zombies shouldnt be getting that close to you, not to mention you can kick them
She really isn't.
Two points come to mind for me. Water room. That's also my favorite part in the game. Partially because of that.
I also told her to wait early in castle and she got kidnapped. Which again was fun, as I wasn't expecting that.
Game doesn't bother you with her otherwise.
you are lying and obviously a zoomer, even by 2005 there were tons of PS2 games with weird controls
You clearly haven't played it
Worst game in the RE franchise. It's not even a traditional RE game. It's as if the devs were making a different game and decided to add only two characters from RE in order to make this game sale.
i love it on its own but i do hate what it did to the franchise
every single 7th generation game copy re4
this is one of those games that starts fun and stays fun all the way through, if you dont get it then i dont know what to tell you, you are probably a zoomer, but that cant be it since im one too.
this. the game continually introduces new and exciting areas, so many that every time i replay it i’m surprised by how huge a game it is and how much fun playing it is. it never gets old
you didn't play the game back in 2004/5
Your loss
Maybe you don't like video games at all
Find a new hobby
I love shooting Spaniards in the knee and roundhouse kicking them in the face. Simple as.
Best pacing and gunplay than any game ever and I've played Vanquish and FEAR.
>Best pacing and gunplay
Gunplay is better in the remake
loool
I'm sure you can tell me why this is not the case and somehow the gunplay + knife parry combo gameplay of the remake is inferior to the shit controls + gun + no knife parry gameplay of the original
gunplay in demake is fricking horrible, shotgun puffs a cloud of dust
Strange, whenever I use the riot gun I delete everything with precision. Are you playing with a controller and having trouble aiming?
nta, and the parry is neat, but the rng of the stagger -> melee follow-up of the remake is far worse. Re4 gets fun because the combat works like a well oiled machine. I shoot head/knee, I get melee prompt, I knock down the whole mob with my mighty boot. I am in complete control of the battlefield. In RE4make I consistently get headshots and the enemy doesn't even register it. They just keep walking. That alone is why I prefer og
so you prefer the original because it's easy mode stagger on headshot, nice
Yes yes, and you prefer difficulty from dice rolls rather then intelligent design. Lets add some critical parry fails too eh? In all seriousness, when thing go sideways in og vs RE, it's nice to know if it was a mistake & my fault, and not just blind luck. I don't usually respect rng as a game mechanic.
Since the remake has a good control scheme, guaranteed stunlock on headshots, which you can hit every time, means you have guaranteed stunlock for every single shot you take. I don't want to defend RNG, but the game would be too easy at this point, and it's already very easy to begin with, even on professional.
It's not a dice roll, enemies will stagger after a certain damage to a critical spot, you just have to account for that by properly positioning yourself and making you can land enough bullets safely before the enemy closes the distance between you and him. And there's always a last resort measure (either the knife parry or a shotgun blast) if that fails.
It works exactly like the original games, where zombies would stagger after a certain amount of damage - RNG would do its thing - sometimes you got lucky and put them on the ground after the 4th bullet, sometimes they could sponge half a clip.
Babies hate being scared and this is the game that ended resident evils horror game status.
Great game? Yes. Is it a RE game? No.
>I am a zoomie who has only played games that were derivative of RE4
>game is like by a lot of people
>i'm people
>ergo, i must like this game too
the mysteries of the world are neverending
It isn't a masterpiece but it is a very enjoyable game. If you don't at least enjoy the village section I don't know what to tell you
>superb atmosphere
>fun cqc mechanics and boss battles
>nice weapon variety
>very satisfying gunplay
>challenging but fair
>good AI
>amazing graphics
>very likable characters
>interesting story
>nice replayability
>3 distinct locations with different enemies, settings and atmosphere to explore
>peak survival horror experience with lots of adrenaline rush
>ported and released on multiple platforms across generations so everyone can experince this masterpiece
Need more?