>I don't care about the 40k game or miniatures, I care about the lore
>40k is both a setting and a story
>It's not fluff btw, it's lore
>We need to know who all the big-name players are and their motivations
>Expanding the Horus Heresy beyond those shitty index astartes articles full of plotholes was a good idea
>Going past the 13th BC was a good idea that was written poorly
who are you quoting?
Majorkill except for the last part. And he's right, only idiots focus more on the game part than the rich lore.
>chadposter
>moronic
Fricking figures
>I don’t care about the game or the mini’s, just the lore
Know what we call that around these parts? A fricking secondary that’s what. Go back to plebbit until you actually decide to engage with the hobby.
He engages in the hobby. He reads the stories
40k lore exists to sell models. Buy the models or you are a secondary arguing about toy bios.
>actually buying overpriced plastic
>actually arguing about toy bios
Talking about fluff is less moronic than caring sbout plastic toy soldiers, especially if you're older than 13
He buys the books, it's like he bought a mini therefore a ticket to talk about neckbeard shit
>Books are miniatures
>Reading is the wargaming hobby
lmao
>He engages in the hobby.
>He reads the stories.
lol, pick one
I know, reading hard. Don't strain yourself anon.
Majorkill is the exact opposite of a secondary. In fact, most people in the Hobby are in it because of him.
>no models
>no games
That’s a secondary, I don’t give a frick how popular he is. Would probably be better for the state of the community if he wasn’t as well known
Any franchise around long enough will be ruined by:
>changing things up to reflect social changes and push into new markets
>milk nerds who have to know the answer to every unanswered question
Kills the mystique. Like, take Dr Who. Definitely made worse by filling every gap.
I like the WH40k universe since the late 90s... but in making it uber serious and filling in the gaps, they killed the fun a bit, and the seriousness can get kind of goofy.
Now they are schizos who police everything their customers do, are stupid expensive etc.
In gaming there are many alternatives, in lore WH40k will always be one of the best.
GW fans have Stockholm syndrome. I do the hobby, not the GW hobby.
>I don't care about the 40k game or miniatures, I care about the lore
Why not at least spend effort getting into a setting that isn't a joke to everyone including the writers? 40k is like the only setting where the guys who play games and the writers agree its a joke but has this odd group of secondaries who take it seriously.
Oh my sweet summer child
What other setting has this? I never see "oh I'm a magic fan, no I don't play the card game o just read the lore".
I'm sure there are kingdom hearts or undertale or persona fans or what have you that have never played the games, but most of those people will have at least watched a lets play instead of watching a youtube video about a wiki about blurbs from a rulebook that will be retconneed next time a new model is released.
I like magic but don't play it. I just browse Scryfall to look at the art.
It's really weird. I can't think of an equivalent online "community" that's plagued by people who actively hate the source material but still insert themselves into discussions about it constantly.
It’s this way because warhammer has been made easily accessible though youtube and 1dGanker memes. It is basically the McDonald’s of sci-fi at this point. 90% haven’t read dune or Elric because it’s too much work for them.
It's less that and more about a divide existing between people who actually play the game and those who just follow the lore. That's not something you normally see.
BL secondaries and left/right pol-schizos are a plague on 40k discussion.
it's the other way around anti-40k schizo and you know that. People genuinely have enjoyed the tone for 40k for decades before you were born.
This group of morons that only read the BL books or nothing at all and just throw their hands up and exclaim its silly are not true fabs
thats another cancer group, the text to speech device and meme autists that boil everything down to a comedic drama.
true fans*
that guy is one of those leftists hes one of these gays that constantly trolls 40k discussion trying to reinvision the setting as a satirical comedy because he is morally outraged at skulls and Aquilla.
>trying to reinvision the setting as a satirical comedy
Well it would be hard to reinvision something that way if the original writer has gone on record stating it was already that.
never happened anti-40k troll we have been over this daily with you,
This, it’s like if Star Wars had people convinced the life and times of scrimblo bimbly was an epic neo-Renaissance tale that explores the depths of humanity. There’s a guy named angron, his whole schtick is being angry. There’s a guy named Corvus Corax, he likes crows. It’s like having a guy named stabby Mcgladius who really likes swords. How people take it seriously at all is fricking beyond me.
>It’s like having a guy named stabby Mcgladius who really likes swords
There is literally a guy named Iron Hand who has iron hands and leads a bunch of guys named the Iron Hands who cut off their hands so they can replace them with more iron hands.
Yes exactly his point warhammer characters are one dimensional
Fricking how could I forget ferrus manus. Or the just blatant references of Lionel Johnson, Conrad Kurtz, and the chaghatai khanate.
40k lore is exactly like Star Wars. If Hive Fleet Behemoth happened in present day armybook for the first time, the way it was defeated in Macragge system would be decried as Holdo Maneuver probably invented by SJW trannies who infiltrated Nottingham and talk about how Hive Fleets (or greenskins or any others who might fall for that) could never be a threat would abound. Since it happened in older and dumber times no one complains and considers it a mainstay of lore.
They have a guy named Buttfrickinus Land who invented the Land Speeder. It's fricking moronic.
it isn't 1992 anymore just about everyone into 40k takes the lore seriously
it actually annoys reddit/leftists who want it to be anti-fascist political satire and for you not to sympathize with the imperium
>You should do this thing because its common and it annoys other people
How about you develop a personality that isn’t inherently antagonistic
how about you stop clutching your pearls over people enjoying things you don't
>yes I enjoy 40k
>no I don't actually build/paint models or play the game I just watch youtubers read wiki pages
>nooo we are the REAL fans not you
ok, marxoid
Well at least you have the courtesy not to deny it.
ok, schizo
>well we don't actually partake in any aspect of 40k but we are totally 40k fans
>weee are the REAL fansx2
ok, troon
Projecting again I see secondary
>s-stop enjoying the Imperium staph it!
lol
Why can’t secondaries stop seething?
>no you are the secondary not me!
clutch yo pearls
No models = Secondary
It’s that easy
Imperium is great, fun armies to play against
>Imperium is great, fun armies to play against
Good source of bits too if you play chaos.
Yeah it seems like Imperium is great for both Chaos & Orkz to grab some stuff from the sprue and throw it on.
Converted ork lehman russes are my jam, they always look sick. I remember in the 5th edition core rulebook they had an example of campaign play between orks and imperial guard. The ork player immobilized a Lehman Russ in game 2, and in game 3 converted one to look like he looted it. Then he put tallies on it every time it killed another tank
40k is a table top miniatures game
Everything else is seconday
>How about you develop a personality that isn’t inherently antagonistic
Holy projection batman
Literally
>I like this lore, I want to enjoy it earnestly
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE. ITS SATIRE. HIS NAME IS IRON HANDS ITS SILLY, WHY ARE YOU TAKING PLOT AND CHARACTERS SERIOUSLY WHEN THERE IS SILLY IN THE UNIVSRSE
If you dont like the lore stay out of the discussions instead of being a sour homosexual
dude don't even bother this guy is literally mentally ill and unironically thinks if you play marines and this triggers him you are doing it on purpose
>I like this poor sci fi slop as a deep and compelling story
>dude it's poor sci fi slop to sell fun miniatures
>STOP NOT TAKING SERIOUSLY MY SPACE DADDIES
well what is some good scifi?
Literally anything is better and more intellectually stimulating than warhammer lore youitube but Robots/empire/foundation, hyperion cantos, 2001 a space odyssey, book of the new sun, 2000AD, Elric, Dune, Galactic patrol series, ETC.
>more intellectually stimulating
>Robots/empire/foundation, hyperion cantos, 2001 a space odyssey, book of the new sun, 2000AD, Elric, Dune, Galactic patrol series,
>STOP NOT TAKING SERIOUSLY MY SPACE DADDIES
Who is saying that? People are talking and your being a homosexual because ppl like it.
Cool you don't enjoy the idea of being a cog to work for something greater or guilliman dealing with the galaxy on his shoulders. We do, why don't you go post on sigmarxism about troony woman marines or something.
>Who is saying that?
you are, the worst part is that you're completely oblivious to your moronation
>how can you say I have an antagonistic personality?
>I just made a thread to openly disagree with an imaginary person and affirm myself through this dumb meme
>I'm not telling you to not take seriously the story of my space superman daddy's blue super marines called the ultramarines fighting off the pissfart plapoons of the sloppity bilepipers
>I'm saying that if you do you must also be some kind of troony apologist or another of my idpol enemies
the truth is that you fell for a shit product and are lashing out as a coping mechanism when people laugh at your autism, even when those people are just imaginary, your doubts and fears you have to btfo with a chad meme
and surely that's working, isn't it?
Mr Inquisitor you are correct we must remain ever vigilant of people enjoying 40k. Who knows what warp horrors they will create unchecked.
>who want it to be anti-fascist political satire
Oh I don't give a shit about that, I'm talking about how in general at least based on my experience at the FLGS is that actual players of the game are usually able to laugh at the absurdity of the setting and if they are doing something with it are going to have fun with it. If anything wanting it to be political satire is also taking it way too seriously. It's big space men fighting robot skeletons and this is inherently silly.
i honestly don't know how can you read 40k and not sympathise with the Imperium.
Its white guilt idiots who want their own people to die off. Imagine being him
i just think they are misanthropes, people that hate humans
They are textually humanity: bad ending.
You can't point at the inquisitor that likes to set innocents on fire and say: "you see, they have to be bad to survive"
That's the definition of grimdark dude
but why is the Inquisitor setting people on fire?
If they were setting people on fire for no reason sure that'd be an issue.
>but why is the Inquisitor setting people on fire?
>If they were setting people on fire for no reason sure that'd be an issue.
A slave in one of the local munitorums thought he saw a daemon (it was actually an Kommando with a bad hair-squig cut) so they called in an exterminatus.
Your argument is stupid and you are an idiot. You are critiquing them in a bubble like a typical marxoid dumbshit.
humanity bad ending is mass extinction. You probably think thats the good ending.
That's where 40k humanity is headed anyway, they're just figuring out how to best shoot off their dicks on the way.
i'm not seeing it and if it is its because of the aliens and daemons not their own doing.
The aliens are irrelevant NPC's and the daemons are created by humanity's faults and thus can not be defeated for they are the Enemy Within.
Wrong on both. The Aliens are a galaxy wide threat like the Tyranids and the daemons predate Humanity are in fact largely the fault of aliens like the Eldar.
You aren't a real fan, a liar and a homosexual.
Slaanesh is the only one created by the Eldar, humans created most of them, and all of them are sustained by human nature. That is why the the threat to humanity in 40k is humanity itself - the Enemy Within
Tyranids are NPC's who can be defeated by space marines whenever. Don't even know why you insist aliens are a threat, they are NPC's doomed by mere emotions of men.
>The truth is that there is nothing in this galaxy but us. It is our emotions, our shadows, our hates and lusts and disgusts that lie in wait on the other side of reality. That’s all. Every thought, every memory, every dream, every nightmare that any of us have ever had. The Gods exist because we gave birth to them. They are our own vileness and fury and cruelty given form, imbued with divinity because we cannot conceive of anything so powerful without giving it a name.
>The eldar believe they damned themselves. Perhaps, perhaps not. Whether they accelerated or heralded their demise is irrelevant; they were damned the moment the first ape-like human picked up a rock and used it to break open his brother’s skull. We are alone in this galaxy. Alone with the nightmares of all who have lived and hoped and raged and wept before us. Alone with our ancestors’ nightmares.
They are all created by pre-human civilisations. The Eldar are responsible for the Eye of terror and humanities psyker problem. When they started creating Slaanesh it created warp storms that increased the number of psykers in the galaxy.
>Tyranids are npcs
not an argument they are a galactic threat.
You are a revisionist idiot.
Not what the books say. Your headcanon is irrelevant. Even in-universe people know the truth: humans created and empovered Chaos. Warp exists beyond time so they can affect ancient times. Fall of the Eldar was irrelevant, it happened long after the rise of Humanity and creation of Chaos. Fall or not, Eldar were always doomed as they are npc race.
>Tyranids
>Galactic threat
Lol they're swatted away by Imperium every time they seem threatening something relevant.
what book?
what headcanon?
you need to take your medication you moron
>fall of the Eldar
>irrelevant
Lets get this straight you think one of the most important events in the setting responsible for all the problems in the setting is irrelevant? because it upsets your hysterical anti-IoM headcanon.
You are an idiot.
Seething secondaries, you haven't even read a 40k book and get your lore on youtube. Yes, Humans created Chaos and empower it. Eldar do not matter, they are NPC's. Tyranids are also NPC's and Orcs are joke NPC's. The only relevant theme in 40k is humans being consumed by their inner demons (who took out some NPC factions on the side).
behold the BL secondary in all its moronic ignorance.
>the BL secondary
worse, chances are he's a loretuber secondary
That's not what BL books say
> Essentially 40k is the story of humanity and its own id monsters
Fair enough
>the aliens are a small side story.
Nope, they're an integral part of the setting and story, and also work thematically as aspects of humanity, like aliens usually do in pulp sci-fi
Chaos was created by the Eldar therefore all the Gods. Slaanesh is just the end result of their narcissism. Go read some actual fluff.
I quoted fluff, you quoted headcanon about eldar, a NPC race doomed by cavemen on Earth lol.
You aren't quoting anything you are lying and shitposting.
Humans have not a single thing to do with the creation of chaos or the xenos threat, Fullstop.
You quoted a fricking chaos sorcerer you lying moron.
>The daemon claims supreme dominion. They claim that in time all will be their slaves, that reality will lie broken, and that they shall rule the realm of mortals for eternity. They say that it is destiny. They say, in the paradox time of the warp, that this has already happened. These claims, like every part of their nature, are false.
>The daemon’s existence is a dream. Its power is the stolen strength of mortal minds. Its shape is an image painted onto existence so that we may look on them and know that our sins have returned for us. Though they have power it is a power which eats itself. The high daemons, which some call gods, squabble of souls and dominion, betraying each other and themselves. They are not predators. They are carrion.
Its not just humans, its anything with a soul that is reflected in the warp. It just so happens that the Eldar and humanity were both really big players, size wise, and have very similar thoughts.
Eldar have weak souls compared to human psykers, that's why they never had shamans and perpetuals and their wars didn't create a proper wargod. Instead they worshipped a minor aspect of Khorne and Slaanesh (Khaine).
The original story about the Fall in White Dwarf 127 elaborated on the last part:
>When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him, Slaanesh driven by his uncontrollable hunger to consume everything in his path.
>a minor aspect of Khorne and Slaanesh (Khaine).
>"For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne"
it's always the same story with anons twisting or misreading fluff to make it say something else of what actually it says.
These two statements aren't the same. Khaine was linked to Slaanesh and Khorne due to archetypal commonality and compatibility, not because he was a "a minor aspect".
slaaneshi no give no frick
all the ass, dick, and pussy belongs to him
He is literally described as a part of Khorne's power Slaanesh is stealing during the Fall, and this stealing does not result in crippling power loss so he is the very definition of a minor aspect.
lol lmao the entire Eldar race are shamans and perpetuals.
The Eldar had the same issue as the Earth Shamans when they reincarnated they had their souls eaten by daemons before this they just peacefully reincarnated.
Now the Eldar can't reincarnate at all.
Eldar had only a rebirth system, it was far weaker than Perpetuals who just come back fully grown minutes after their death.
Eldar were immortal they are essentially still practically immortal. Its ripped off LotR.
The humans shamans was a more primitive version of it.
The Emperor was essentially one really powerful Eldar farseer. Hes even called that by them.
of the two the Eldar are more of an influence on Chaos.
Humanity wasn't even psychic at the time the Eldar were at this peak. The Eldars emotions and souls are many times stronger than humans. They are pretty much entirely responsible for Chaos, almost like the Old Ones designed them to cause Chaos.
Read the core rulebook
I have, and I've read the Realm of Chaos and what Rick Priestley who invented the Emperor and wrote 40k into being said about Chaos Gods. Essentially 40k is the story of humanity and its own id monsters, the aliens are a small side story.
That's odd. If you've read the core rulebook, then can you explain why you hold an opinion contradicting what's written about the birth of the chaos gods in it?
It doesn't contradict it. I'll even elaborate on the importance of humanity and the irrelevancy of xenos. Drach'nyen is Abaddon's special daemon sword that has existed in lore for decades and took a Black Arusade to acquire. The daemon there is capable of hurting the Emperor, and why is that? It's a daemon of first murder - and the first murder was a killing of human by another human, a Cain and Abel event. There is no such powerful being born such a simple event involving two people of any other race even though many of them are older than humanity because they are not people, them killing have no significance to the story any more than ants killing each other - they are not actual murders.
>There is no such powerful being born such a simple event involving two people of any other race
Wrong, and you have no proof of that. There are innumerable warp beings from other aliens like the Eldar. Drach'nyen is important because its opposite relationship to humanity compared to the Emperor.
>you can't prove unknown entity X doesn't exist even though I provide no evidence of X
Lol. lmao
The chaos gods aren't even exclusive to humans, not to mention Slaanesh being literally born out of the Eldar.
GTFO lorelet.
>The chaos gods aren't even exclusive to humans,
During a fight between Orks and T'au, daemons were summoned by the bloodshed. The T'au auto-trans devices detected that the daemons were speaking an archaic version of the human language.
This. Remember that even the old Realms of Chaos LatD stories about humans awakening Chaos have not been retconned.
Chaos is a human entity, Eldar creating Slaanesh accelerated their destruction but it was always certain. Essentially the few xenos who worship chaos are worshipping humanity and funnily enough the Yu'vath sentinels in one Dark Heresy adventure prostrate themselves before Chaos Marines when they start coming out of a portal.
>Chaos is a human entity
wtf am i reading. This is just trolling. You mentally ill little c**t.
>Remember that even the old Realms of Chaos LatD stories about humans awakening Chaos
Never happened, all those say is the birth of the gods coincided with major historical events.
You clearly haven't read the lore about the War on Heaven and how the C'tans became the original archetypes imprinted in all races evolved later.
They were stomping the xenos and did so as human entities speaking human language. That was just the same as Imperium stomping xenos.
Most races didn't even exist during War in Heaven, and Chaos Gods were not born then,
>a fight between two xenos influences demons thus proving that xenos have no influence on chaos
Where does this specify humans?
are you conveniently forgetting the Laer sword Fulgrim carries.
You know the Laer who worshipped Slaanesh.
One of many chaos worshipping xenos,
You are obviously a secondary.
You have taken this misunderstanding of the setting, that GW doesn't frequently show Chaos xenos and formed it into headcanon.
And Laer were irrelevant, they were thought to be even servile enough to subjugate under Imperium until Fulgrim who was superior son of Slaanesh said no and took them out because of their imperfection. Literally the Yu'vath situation.
>Reee you quote a chaos sorcerer
>responds by quoting another chaos sorcerer imperfectly
>a chaos sorcerer who doesn't even contradict anything when the full quote is read
Let's add the rest of it.
>Yet, for all its falsity, the daemon has the ability to twist the mind of the living, to make flesh a mockery, to defy death, and bring ruin on the works of mortals. When the warp waxes, and the neverborn walk through the veil, they have the strength to break armies and cast down heroes. They are always there, watching from the edge of thought, and the corner of sight.
>The daemon is a lie, but it is a lie that can unmake reality.
>I say this because I have made my life in the calling and controlling of these creatures. I am Ctesias, and I above all know the price for believing in the power of the gods and their children.
Daemons are the lies humans can't stop telling themselves. That is why they are all creations of humanity, and 40k can not have humanity that does not create Chaos.
nothing is irrelevant in the lore. Your xenos are "npc" theory is further invalidated by the Rangda, the single greatest threat the Imperium ever faced and almost wiped it out.
Haha Rangda were a few pages of notes in a spinoff product not even worth a mention in modern 40k. A few legions of space marines fought them over a few years and then wiped them out completely, they're much, much more of a NPC faction than the Eldar.
Also "lithe vulpine forms"? They were probably just some writer's joke about furries.
Rangda are critical to the HH fluff. Admit it you are a fricking secondary larper
Ranga are fox furries that were invented to fluff out a few paged in Dark Angels' back story.
>Daemons are the lies humans can't stop telling themselves. That is why they are all creations of humanity, and 40k can not have humanity that does not create Chaos.
The only example of this being the case is from a first person story of a black legion sorcerer. Aka about as self deluded an individual as you can get. Meanwhile we have statements from superior sorcerers, as well as objective 3rd person statements, that its not just humans shaping Chaos, but rather all sentient life with that can cast a reflection into the warp.
hes a libtard, liberals have been weened on fiction that all blames humans for their problem.
Its gets to the point these dumbasses think every setting is like this.
for their problems*
That's a top tier brainlet argument fitting of nu/tg/.
Humans are the only lifeform intelligent enough to write fiction so fictional bad guys are still nothing but spawns of human mind no matter if they are fictional humans or fictional aliens. It makes no difference.
hahaha what the frick are you saying? you think everything bad that happens to humans is their fault?
No, instead of other humans fricking you up a hurricane or a bear could frick you up, but it's futile to seethe at dumb animals and natural disasters.
Just a basic setting premise you have humans then aliens invade earth killing the humans.
Who do you believe is at fault here?
This idea humans are ALWAYS at fault is insanely stupid.
Reminds me of the conspiracy shit made up about Starship troopers, that the Federation made the bugs because humans MUST be at fault.
The human author for writing a premise like that, why did he do it. Did he write it to elict sympathy to innocent victims? Why did he choose to use aliens instead of a natural disaster or humans, both of which actually exist?
this is what full blown stupidity looks like
It's a valid question, do you believe aliens who come to earth to anal probe innocent humans exist lmao.
No thats why its fiction you dumbass frickwit. Its exploring something plausible however improbable.
you are an idiot.
you are subhumanly stupid. Fricking dunning-kruger piece of shit.
Libtard detected. Kindly kys.
>Daemons are the lies humans can't stop telling themselves
Yes. Chaos Gods are born of human emotions and their daemons are part of human emotions too. Do you want a Priestley quote about it?
>The demons - well those are reflections in the warp of the emotions, hopes and dreams of people - so their motivations are based on dreamlike fears, hopes, desires. ambitions... they are not necessarily logical! There's a lot of this stuff in the two Real of Chaos hard back volumes - but that's the essence of chaos - its physic energy shaped by the human unconsciousness - it is not good/bad - but likewise it is not logical - it is Monsters from the Id in the same sense as in Forbidden Planet.
you are misconstruing his words around. Hes only talking about Chaos as it pertains to humans, Not that its exclusive to humans.
The Fall of the Eldar completely demolishes your premise.
read
instead of posting outdated headcanon from a dude who hasn't worked for GW for over a decade
The Fall of the Eldar is not relevant, not even the setting's own humans who hate xenos like the Chaos Sorcerer quoted above consider it a relevant story since human Chaos would have damned Eldar regardless of the Fall.
The Fall of the Eldar is arguably an even more significant event than the Horus Heresy.
Priestly isn't wrong. Just don't be fooled that liar is cherry picking his words and twisting them to his argument.
Priestly in the same interview refers to the Eldar shaping Chaos.
>The reason the Eldar evolved a method of feeding their essence into a material real-world matrix was to avoid what was waiting for them on the 'otherside' - namely Slaanesh - a vortex of 'Elven' follies and passions too strong for even the strongest willed of the Eldar to escape.
In relation to humanity Slaanesh is a human god just like the others. The emotions that created him were always in humans and always embodied by Fulgrim & company. He is older in lore than the Fall of the Eldar origin story.
Slaanesh isn't a human god hes entirely a xenos invention created by Eldar and worshipped by Laer.
That's a moronic take, obviously human emotions and obviously human desires form Slaanesh, and he existed in Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness before the Fall of the Eldar story was invented with no mention of any alien-ness compared to other gods. The Fall is just there to flesh out the Eldar background, the Fall event's relation to humans was only the blowing off of warp storms which allowed the Emperor to conquer the galaxy.
You are moronic, Slaanesh is created by the Eldar its irrelevant if humans are also influenced by Slaanesh.
The big issue among brainlets who think Chaos is something separate for humanity is their attribution of their motives to Priestley. Chaos is just the sum of (40k) human emotion and anything good or bad about it is from humans. Even humans who decry it as foul are still affecting, interacting and feeding Chaos. Imperium hates chaos because it makes for a good story, not because it can actually be separated from it.
>BIFFORD: The way you describe it, Chaos isn't inherently evil. Is it possible for somebody to be a Chaos worshiper and be a good, heroic person?
>PRIESTLEY: Of course - if a bit of a chancer!
>BIFFORD: I take it you were not heavily involved in shaping the lore of WH40K, because every time Chaos is mentioned in any book, it is described as "foul". Even in "Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness".
>PRIESTLEY: Sure - it depends on your perspective doesn't it - we played to that - classic faction building: who do you like/hate, where do you live, and so on. I don't think chaos followers would think of themselves as evil.
stop lying. Repeating yourself isn't an argument
Those are Priestley's words quoted, not mine. He does think that 40k lore became more simplistic when he left though.
>BIFFORD: Sure, everyone has their own skewed perspective, but I figured you would know what the "truth" is. And the Realm of Chaos books seem written in a detached, objective manner. I'm not saying your take on Chaos is "wrong", just that it seems the writers who succeeded you went in a different direction after you quit the creative side of things.
>PRIESTLEY: For sure - and Bryan sold the company and moved on about 91 - and Chaos owed a lot to Bryan who always had a thoughtful take on these things. I tried to carry that forward - but once it left my hands (we all have to move on!) I think things lost a lot of that subtlety and became far more 2-dimensional.
Maybe zoomers prefer a setting where Emperor is Space Harry Potter and Chaos Gods are Space Voldemort though.
it doesn't matter homosexual you are misquoting him. His words do not support what you are saying.
You are an idiot.
They do support my words, not the words of those who say Chaos is separate from humanity. It's that simple. You're perhaps one of those who would prefer Chaos was space voldemort threatening the space hogwarts of Imperium but it isn't the author's intent.
they do not, you are creating a strawman and misquoting people to fit your moronic incorrect claim.
Chaos isn't dependent on humans. It existed before humans.
Theres only one "chaos" god humans are responsible for and thats the God Emperor.
Humans created the Chaos and sustain it with their emotions, it's been in the books since before 40k was invented. Emperor is just another Chaos God feeding from just another aspect of humanity.
>BIFFORD: So, you see the Emperor as yet another Chaos God competing for the psychic energies of humanity? If so, then what emotions does the Emperor feed off of?
>PRIESTLEY: The Emperor is feeding off the survival of humanity and its future security - but (weather systems remember) all of these emotions bleed and merge into each other - so a part of every chaos god is every other chaos god and a part of the emperor is every other chaos god and collectively they are a single chaos god which is the entire human spirit and collective unconsciousness, Phew. Never thought I'd be writing this nonsense again
The big deal is that Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh and the Emperor form collectively the human spirit's reflection in the warp, you can't pick and choose.
they didn't it was the Eldar when the Old Gods created them as a weapon against the Necrons.
Eldar made only slaanesh
Everyone else was basically made in the high and late medieval era for some reason
>Everyone else was basically made in the high and late medieval era for some reason
There is a Khornate champion that predates humanity
Nah khorne is from the crusades and you will like it
No. The Liber Chaotica says that Khorne fought the Nightbringer at the dawn of time.
That must be wrong because khorne was created in medieval times though
the two statements don't contradict each other when you account for the metaphysics of chaos
Citation needed.
Both can be true. Slaanesh wasn't born until the height of the Eldar empire, but was retroactively made eternal from the dawn of time because lolwarp
>The realm of Chaos exists far outside imagination; an impossible abstraction made real only by metaphor and the roiling emotions of mortal minds.
Why would it JUST be humans you drooling moron? Instead of everything that has a soul in the warp.
hes not honest. Hes this guy that has been pushing this "humans are solely responsible for everything in 40k" shit for years.
he has to completely headcanon everything in the setting to make it work.
>Overanalyzing the elric ripoff faction this much in order to justify your nonsensical headcanon
Go outside
you haven't read shit and you are the same farleftist clown that misquotes Priestly continually. You just make up and twist the mans words around to shit on the setting because you are a lying freak idiot.
Seething secondary.
Did you know that according to Priestley Star-Child is the god of Robin Hood-type heroes and the Emperor's big plan was just to hold on to life until the SC grows big enough and saves humanity? That's it.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
The Imperium is unnecessarily ruthless towards its own people and the Emperor himself is responsible for a huge chunk of humanity's problems, I find it impossible to sympathize with them (or any 40k faction honestly) beyond "damn their soldiers look cool"
>1992
I noticed this has been pushed by one guy or group that is trying to force interest in RT because RT was more silly, therefore modern 40k should be too.
Even though back in the 1990s 2nd period RT was hardly mentioned and a distant memory even then.
And that guy is Andy Hoare... who is adding in Rogue Trader references to every game he touches.
Well I'm a /misc/tard but it doesn't bother me that the Imperium is treated as unsympathetic. That's precisely what appeals to me. It's always been an entertainingly perverse caricature of totalitarianism and bureaucratic dysfunction turned up to eleven. It's as much stalinist as theocratic or fascist or anything else for that matter. You could even compare the administratum's decrepitude to the proliferation of mediocrity, nepotism and ideological lip-service among the western bureaucratic class of globohomosexual managerialism if you wanted - its every bad idea and broken system rolled into one.
There's also something interesting about the idea of a monolithic civilisation more than twice as old as all of recorded history, in which tradition and hereditary hierarchy are more ossified than we can possibly imagine, ignorance and slavish obedience are the only virtues, the empirical mode of thought has long since ceased to exist, and all that's left of science is an animistic cargo cult. If you're so inclined you could even see the I fricking love science crowd as a step on that path of degeneration, since they worship science as a font of authority rather than having any appreciation of the scientific method.
>It's always been an entertainingly perverse caricature of totalitarianism and bureaucratic dysfunction turned up to eleven. It's as much stalinist as theocratic or fascist or anything else for that matter.
Correct. You get it.
>i'm a /misc/tard
post instantly invalid
>Eldar have weak souls compared to humans
what in the actual frick am i reading. stfu you fricking clownish moron
Suit yourself. I'm just explaining what I find conceptually and aesthetically interesting about the Imperium. And disagreeing with the other poster's claim that a rightist is somehow obliged to sympathise with the Imperium or think it's based or something.
>most Eldar psykers will never attain the brief, bright burning power of the humans they so scorn.
Eldar are weak.
Based and ironypilled
Cucked
severely mentally ill
severely moronic
severely dishonest
No true righty calls himself a poltard.
It's like transexuals calling themselves trannies unironically. Stop pretending you're one of us
Come on. Just about everyone on Ganker is far right by current standards. Doesn't mean we have to pretend /misc/ isn't mostly schizoposting and fetish threads.
>As a black man...
Yeah sure but what's your point. Are you arguing the Imperium is good? I'm just pointing out that the Imperium is a deliberate kitchen sink pastiche of all sorts of dysfunctional regimes from across history and across the left-right spectrum. If you want me to prove my /misc/ack credentials or something I can point out that given the vast amount of criminality the authorities tolerate on, say, Necromunda, many of the Imperium's worlds also resemble cartel-dominated south american shitholes. You go further down the hive and you get something more like the congo civil wars. That's the point. Every level of the Imperium's hierarchy from top to bottom is riddled with brutality, dysfunction and corruption.
yes the Imperium is good
>but bad stuff happens there!
Has there ever been a time in human history where bad stuff didnt happen? no.
You are a misanthropic furgay moron.
Yeah sure but the suffering the Imperium perpetuates in the name of survival has been going on for ten thousand years on an astronomical scale. You can't compare the suffering of ancient history to the enslavement of quadrillions to fuel a never-ending war machine that serves no purpose other than to postpone the collapse of a decaying empire.
Is it the Imperium perpetuating suffering or is it the victim of external and internal forces?
Would the Imperium be the way it is if Chaos and xenos didn't exist? the answer is no.
There isn't a single thing in the Imperium that isn't done for no reason. Its tens of thousands of years experience with the galaxy.
The answer is "yes". In-universe humanity unwittingly created Chaos and the circumstances that led to Heresy and the Imperium, and the Black Crusades and all that shit.
humanity didn't create Chaos. Chaos predates humanity.
That's wrong. Cawl and Roboute point out that a lot of the suffering in the Imperium is self-inflicted and needless. For example, why the frick do like 99% of the people in the Imperium living in hellholes when the Imperium has the resources to make their lives liveable?
That's because the authors have noticed morons trying to justify the Imperium via Chaos turning into another Enemy Without or whatever, and are trying to rectify it. This leads to said fans calling Jellyman & co mary sues.
Nufluff is gay but human living conditions varies from world to world because the Imperium isn't homogenous. The worlds are autonomous and the Imperium doesn't directly run them,
>resources to make their lives liveable?
What is this poltard shit? what is liveable? it is liveable for them. You think because they don't all live in modern apartments its wrong? Do you even comprehend what would happen if you deliberately made it better for trillion large populations? theyd get bigger which would create more problems then you'd have to control the pop some how. Which would lead to even more unethical problems
You socialist shit for brains can't think anything through,
You say this is nufluff but this is literally the description of the Imperium we get from the old rulebooks
its not exactly true the setting is more varied than that.
Priestly confirms this, where he mistakingly assumed it was retconned, it never actually changed.
Some worlds are pleasant little New Englands, others are hive worlds or deathworlds etc.
No no no. It wasn't. Each Rulebook reaffirms how shitty the Imperium is for humanity.
the setting is more nuanced than this you would know this if you were actually a fan.
Not every corner of the setting is the same.
>‘Look at that,’ said Guilliman. ‘The arrogance of the Neverborn remains as great as it ever was. But it is we who remain, and it is we who shall prevail. Dante, there is a lesser task I will set you.’ He lifted his hand up to encompass three worlds. ‘These planets were hells. For generations we have recruited the strong over the weak, in the belief it makes our warriors better. I do not think this is so. Cruel men make cruel warriors make cruel lords. We need to be better. We need to rise over the need for violence and recognise other human qualities in our recruits. Your Chapter has ever understood this. If we do not, then we will fall prey to our worst excesses, the kind of thing that that represents.’ He pointed at Ka’Bandha’s name. ‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?’ Guilliman was tense. Dante had not expected that in the Lord of Ultramar. Guilliman was impatient to change things. He was angered by what he had found upon his rebirth, and he was not hiding it.
The majority of it is this way and it's the fault of the Imperium itself.
no it isn't and its hardly a fault of the Imperium simply being a federation of different worlds eith different cultures since the great crusade.
the issue is you are a farleft socialist so you think the Imperium is a political regime guiding the entire galaxy.
In reality it just asks for tribute, loyalty and will send an army to help when it can.
Shit the tribute is even means tested.
All I see here is headcanon.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Civilised_World
Many Civilised Worlds may be equivalent in culture and population levels to Old Earth during the Age of Terra in the early 3rd Millennium. Pleasure Worlds, Mining Worlds and some Shrine Worlds can be sub-types of a Civilised World.
Sorry but we have lore about them here
That's the default standard for the majority of civilized worlds. No headcanon need apply here
the majority of worlds are varied and not the same. You are a mentally ill liar.
Nope. The lore says the majority are hellholes so they are hellholes. Quit your autism.
There's also that feudal world which was pretty idyllic and peaceful until orks ravaged it.
yeah feudal worlds and other frontier or assend of nowhere worlds are logically better than busy overpopulated industry worlds.
Also the premise: all 40k worlds are equally bad can't possible be true when some are noted even ironically prized for the harshest conditions like death worlds.
So there are worlds logically relatively better than death worlds, like hive worlds, then there must be worlds better than hive worlds for hives to earn their reputation
>all 40k worlds are equally
Imagine failing this much at English. The key word is the majority. By creating this strawman you conceded the argument.
i accept your concession esl
Right back at you. You can't argue against my points so you create a strawman and went full child mode. Anyone can see that and my job here is done.
There was no strawman, you are trying to pathetically shitpost about the Imperium and lost.
Stupid /misc/tard.
Whatever you say, kid. I am happy to let the thread stay as is so people can laugh at you.
is this like the time you started spamming the intro text you low iq moron. You are the child here.
i remember this comic, this was the basic gist of things in the old fluff. Theres a lot of ordinary and relatively pleasant worlds.
But due to the general theme of the setting being nightmare grim dark horror fuel, this gets forgotten.
Not to mention said worlds are only relevant if they STOP being pleasant to live on for some reason or another. Like orks. I vaguely remember some lore about a world that was a downright paradise and grew the most succulent and delicious foodstuffs for their tithe, but the Admech logisticians in charge of the sector mashed it all down into a nutrient sludge since that was the most efficient way to transport it to various sectors.
The writers have commented on this, you only read about the bad worlds because derp its a war setting.
>you only read about the bad worlds because derp its a war setting.
No shit, that was my whole point. You only hear about idyllic worlds when they stop being idyllic because there is only war.
>The writers have commented on this
Citation needed.
That's from Warhammer Horror story. The planet hid a dark secret. It was fricking Mandrake people farm before the coming of the Imperium and it returned back to its old ways by the end of the novel.
Eh, that's no worse than corpse starch.
You don't get it. The rulers of the agriworld were pacted with the Drukhari Mandrakes. By the end of the novel, the heiress renews the pact with them.
Eh, that's no worse than corpse starch.
Total war is a hell of a drug
It's somewhat amplified by the endless void of space too
Yes but even if the imperium's worlds have autonomous governments, what binds them is a collective obligation to fuel the Imperial war machine. That's what makes it shit, not the individual and highly varied forms of government planetside. You may have a democracy in the Imperium, but its not like you can vote to lower your crushing taxes or to have less burnings at the stake for blasphemy. Those are inescapable parts of the system.
most of the worlds in the Imperium are like Star wars worlds,
Occasionally you get a forge world or hiveworld that is a craphole but irs not the rule.
Not true.
Absolutely true you are wrong and misquoting the lore.
Nope.
Nope. The Imperium's draining of resources and manpower from planets reduces them to hellholes.
its true and you are wrong.
Because you say so? Doesn't work like that.
Here is a bit from an official statement from GW:
>Its numberless legions of soldiers and zealots bludgeon their way across the galaxy, delivering death to anyone and anything that doesn’t adhere to their blinkered view of purity. Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours – or in the countless manufactorums and hive slums that fuel the Imperial war machine. All of this in slavish servitude to the living corpse of a God-Emperor whose commandments are at best only half-remembered, twisted by time and the fallibility of Humanity.
you are completely wrong and lying. You are basically taking generalised descriptions of the setting and extrapolating that the entire setting is this one thing. It isn't true and you are an idiot.
No. I am not generalising. I am saying this is the state for the majority of the setting and this fact is codified in the text.
You on the other hand are working with your pathetic headcanon.
Completely wrong and severely mentally ill
>It's wrong...BECAUSE I SAY SO and you are a poo poo head
Can't you see how pathetic you are?
It's wrong. No one is arguing that there aren't bad worlds in the Imperium but you are trying to say every world is bad.
Again, a total failure at English. When did majority =/= all? Meet me after class, kid.
i accept your concession
No. The rulebooks say that the overwhelming majority of mankind is living in horrible to deathly conditions and this is due to the Imperial policies that are getting stricter each year. Ultramar which is the best-run domain in the Imperium features slavery and a life average of 35.
I am not taking any excuses. The Imperium has the sources to make living in the Imperium not a living hell for its populations.
The majority of humanity will be in hives and cities are shitholes. Thats just a city slicker issue
The majority live in civilized worlds.
Agriworlds aren't any better.
And Forgeworlds are the worst.
It also can't be denied that many of the Imperium's failings are of its own making. Militarism may be a necessity, but does it need to have a sclerotic bureaucracy that takes centuries to process urgent requests for reinforcements and exhausts the resources of loyal worlds because of rounding errors by tithe assessors? Does it really need the endless scheming and feuding between hundreds of rival institutions with more contradictory and competing domains of authority than hitler's subordinates. Does it need an insane death-cult as its state religion which expends vast amounts of resources on building monuments and shipping billions of pilgrims across the galaxy on generational voyages which mostly never reach their destination?
>It also can't be denied that many of the Imperium's failings are of its own making.
Impossible to separate the two. Humanity in 40k was dealt a hand so cosmically fricked it defies description. The "why didn't they form a hecking chungus federation" misses the point that when humans are put in a shitty situation, they tend to act shitty.
not really. The biggest issues for the Imperium are Chaos, xenos invasions and corruption. The third often strongly linked to the first.
None of these things are humanity's or the Imperium's fault. With the exception of maybe corruption but then issues like that are due to the scale of the setting. The Imperium can't be everywhere and able to deal with every corrupt person in the setting but it tries.
>Yeah sure but what's your point. Are you arguing the Imperium is good?
Just calling you a homosexual.
It's setting is silly, and sympathizing with one of the more dysfunctional governments in fiction says a lot about your critical thinking.
Frick off commie. 40k will outlast you and your moronic ideology. Fricking commie, go back to plebbit. If you don't love 40k you deserve to get shot.
Would your mom let you use that language, champ?
>just about everyone into 40k takes the lore seriously
?????? most discussion among meat people is about the rules and miniatures. Especially with 8th and 9th, where the rules are changing rapidly enough to warrant a bit of talk about it.
I have only ever seen the fluff obsession and discussion come up online, where people who don't interact with the game have free reign
What about discussion amongst rock people?
you aren't people go back to your caves
You can't stop us. We will continue to burn tires, we will continue to buy out your politicians. We will pollute the earth until you cant breathe, and on that day we will have the last laugh.
Dwarves are still playing WHFB 6th edition and not giving a shit about current warhammer.
But I like the lore but also think it's kind of a joke. It's a bunch of ridiculous sci-fi tropes turned up to 11 and thrown in all together. It's awesome and you can do anything with it.
>t. has some Tyranids painted but has only ever played Kill Team over tabletop simulator like 3 times
They hated him for he told the truth
The future of WH40K is female.
Secondary go home (Reddit)
Why doesn't battletech get this despite its popular vidya?
>despite its popular vidya?
If you talked to normies or even gamers I bet at least 80% of them wouldn't know Mechwarrior and Battletech are the same setting.
I don't want it to. The less idiots, the better
alright
Coomers and secondaries like you are the reason this board is so bad.
>IT...IT'S NOT A REAL STORY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SILLY NAMES LIKE ANGRON AND FERRUS! NOT SERIOUS ONES LIKE DUMBLEDORE AND VOLDEMORT AND WORMTONGUE AND ELAN SLEETHSBAGO
How do secondaries cope with the fact that all the lore exists to fill out the pages of rulebooks? Do secondaries have panic attacks when some “epic lore” they memorized gets retconned so a new space marine unit can be released?
homie they so obviously don't playtest the rules anymore.
reminder theres a mentally ill schizo that is genuinely ass destroyed over people unironically enjoying 40k and marines etc
He is so mentally ill he larps as a "true" fan to check the fandoms privilege.
Reminder Reddit discord lore trannies regularly raid /tg/ trying to meme lore youtube viewing as the actions of 40K fans and not mentally ill gays
>there are people that unironically enjoy the Imperium
there should be a law against this, i am literally shaking
I dig it from the standpoints of:
>They're humans, so yeah at some level it would be in my interest to side with them
>I like the trope that you sometimes you'd have to become something horrible to prevent something worse.
You can enjoy something without thinking it should be recreated IRL.
Also I’d question how much you actually like something if you don’t even take part in its core element. Like wearing a nirvana t shirt and not knowing any of their music.
go make yourself useful and lecture the murder mystery lit genre to stop committing murder
A bit different yeah? Like one is playing a game that you might just find fun and the other is morally reprehensible & illegal everywhere.
I've been enjoying 40k seriously for a long time and it still hasn't manifested giant cathedral battleships and warp travel.
Can you give me some pointers on how to recreate psyker powers irl too?
I just want to pilot a knight suit with a thermal spear & reaper chainsword. Is that so much to ask?
These daily thinly disguised
>seethe at 40k while masquerading as fans
threads are becoming too predictable and frequent.
Its like having someone knock on your door every day telling you to repent. Preachy hysterical moral panicking.
You derail 40k threads every time you wake up, of course it's predictable.
Fluff gays are still seething about primaris 6 years later.
They are right to, primaris were then and are now terrible fluff. The writing level is poor and mary-sue.
>i saw a small boy buying space marines
i told him space marines are nazis and Tau are the good faction,
The little boy told me to frick off
But i like to think i made the world a better place.
Wait, has this been schizo-kuns hangup the whole time? Nobody is saying they don't enjoy the Imperium when they say they're bad people. I enjoy the Imperium BECAUSE they're bad people.
>I enjoy the Imperium BECAUSE they're bad people.
People can't grasp the concept, same people are probably the ones who try to make chaos anti-heroes.
>nooooo you are enjoying the Imperium too much! aaaaaaaaaa you are resurrecting Hitler stoooooppppp ittttt
I saw a small boy buy primaris yesterday. I promptly informed him that primaris literally destroyed the 40K canon and have done damage to the lore. When he responded with nothing but confusion I promptly made the classical “bigger Batman” analogy.
Never stop fighting that good fight!
What is the bigger Batman analogy though
Have unironically seen store managers have to tell 30+ year old Xenos gays not to harass 15+ year olds about starting as marines.
when was the last time in history when there was good people
Or are humans just inherently bad and we should become Fox and cat people
Curious how misanthrope is a German word and they have the highest amount of furries.
>he doesn't even need people to argue with anymore, he just greentexts random things that make him mad
>the Imperium are bad they fight to defend humanity and kill aliens
>dats liiderally fascisms
if you don't care about the miniatures you don't care about warhammer
the stories are unimportant and secondary to the setting
lore and fluff are synonyms
special characters don't matter
the horus heresy is the worst thing that happened to warhammer
of course it was written badly, it was intended as a story about special characters instead of an expansion of the setting
i can't believe there are people that in all seriousness are buying imperial miniatures and actually like them. GW needs to publish an article condemning this extremist behaviour.
don't they realise that the imperium is literally the 3rd Reich or maybe the 41st Reich and the Emperor is literally Hitler
I believe there are people enjoying things the wrong way and literally this is fascism irl
>I care about the lore
You must hate it even more than people who care abot the game and minatures.
i want to recreate the Imperium exactly irl is there a DIY guide for this somewhere?
The lore only exists to boost sales of the games and toy soldiers. It's all just one big advert. Deal with it.
I care about the lore and don't care about the hobby and don't give a frick about that. Why brag about expending lots of money on overpriced minis? If you like just the minis, ok. If you just like the fluff, ok. If you like both, ok. Don't care, just don't be a prick. You discuss fluff in fluff discussions, you discuss tabletop in tabletop discussions and that is.
>dick measure competition about who is TRUE fans
Seriously?
it's not a matter of who is a true scotsman, it's a matter of the loreonlies being always wrong, missing the point and bringing shame and deterioration to warhammer
>tries to portray emps as a chad, when he's a b***hmade little cuck who needed women to do all the heavy lifting for him
lol
Its literally the same mentally ill sigmarxist gay doing this every day since 2018
>I don't care about the 40k game or miniatures
That's nice. If Jes Goodwin turns in a sculpt that contradicts one of your beloved stories then your story isn't canon anymore.
>leftoids seething ITT because people aren't enjoying the hobby the way they want them to
Pathetic creatures.
>The Imperium of Man stands as a cautionary tale of what could happen should the very worst of Humanity’s lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia set in. Like so many aspects of Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium of Man is satirical.
>he quotes the war comm article
troll confirmed.
can you really blame the imperium for being xeno-phobic
pic related some tyranids just going to school
>citing GW and their sourcebooks is trolling
Yeah. you are a tard, mate.
Also, waytago generalizing all aliens as Tyranids when the Tyranids are only a recent addition to the galaxy.
Remember kids, only you can prevent ten thousand years of technological stagnation and misery.
loregays are the capeshitters of tabletop
>Expanding the Horus Heresy beyond those shitty index astartes articles full of plotholes was a good idea
Incorrect, in fact the Horus Heresy should have been kept nebulous and never expanded on besides the hinting at in 40k.
>It's not fluff btw, it's lore
Anyone who believes this is an actual moron. Modern 40k ceased to be a setting the moment GW decided to pander exclusively to balding nerds who were probably the kids who refused to go down in the playground. Xenos literally don't get new lore unless its to shill some new models or some box set they were tacked onto. At this point we're just heading to Horus heresy 2.0 except the Daemon Primarchs need to pass round the idiot ball, so the Imperium can squeek out a win or get Deus exmachina'd by the Emperor. Tyranids are literally fricking irrelevant, Necrons went from being the major antagonist of 9th ed to being completely absent, the Silent King is somewhere in his containment zone. Eldar were narratively assassinated by having all of their named characters join a hyper niche faction, with a leader that has the personality of a wet towel and a power level that swings from she can do everything with no challenge to being as useless as the average agri-worlder when the orks rock up. Then said factions storyline is cut off and they are just left sucking the Imperium's dick because muh alliance with the strawman of Xenophobia in the setting where "there is only war" Tau are well, Tau. We go from one Galaxy shifting event to the next at breakneck speed, with only the Imperium's pov and whichever faction happens to be involved, everyone else doesn't even get a chance to react to these events which should have an impact on them because we are on to the next crisis before they have chance. Eldar and Necrons don't even interact anymore, the only Xenos vs Xenos rivalry in the setting and its been discarded and retconned so that Chaos was the big bad all along, just to further suck the Imperium's dick. It's not a setting its a wheel and the Imperium is the axel with everyone revolving around them and the only reason one off the factions on the wheel gets a look in is so they can be shilled models.
>I don't care about the 40k game or miniatures, I care about the lore
Yes
>40k is both a setting and a story
Yes
>We need to know who all the big-name players are and their motivations
Yes
>Expanding the Horus Heresy beyond those shitty index astartes articles full of plotholes was a good idea
Yes
>Going past the 13th BC was a good idea that was written poorly
Yes
Why wouldn't you look into any setting with actually good writers and lore then? The BL books are on par with mediocre fanficition at their best, the setting doesn't function, etc etc.
With the time you've spent reading the fluff you probably could've read a much much better book series.
Frick off moron. 40k is the best setting out there. I suppose Nemesis the Warlock would be more interesting seeing as it is the father of 40k, but that setting is done and over. So get fricked you filthy hater.
The Emperor was right about everything all along btw. Glory to The Emperor.
I remember when I was a teenager
I'm 36 you fricking scrub. Eat shit and die, prostitute.
Who needs children when you can have manchildren?
Sure anon, we all believe you.
Just make sure to start buying school supplies soon, while they are still in stock, don't want to make your mom have to drive to a bunch of stores to find a graphing notebook for algebra.
I could post my driving licence but i don't think i will. Anyway, you're still a little b***h and if i ever met you i'd murder you on the spot.
Oh your drivers license? Did your parents buy you a car or do you still just use one of theirs?
I bought my own car 17 years ago. I doubt you have enough money to buy a car, you poorgay scum.
Oh nice, got a summer job so you could buy some old beater? Treat her well, car insurance is already expensive enough for teenagers you don't want to raise it by getting in a crash.
would a summer job even be enough for a beater at this point? Unless you buy it off a crack addict or something
This summer we will all be eating car parts :/
Might as well try be nice to one anothed
>The Emperor was right about everything all along btw.
Evidently not or else he wouldn't be a rotting corpse on a throne.
holy shit
Screeche, commie, screeche.
I don't really like communism but it's at least six months older than Rogue Trader.
Even though I basically lean centre right socially and centre left economically (which supposedly makes me hated by everyone) I am so fricking bored of culture war and politics at the table, it is so fricking gay and American, and I notice that people who come from countries who are more wargames oriented than rpg oriented or they have a tradition of toy soldiers it's considered really bad form to insert politics into everything.