I don't get it. People say this is where the diablo franchise peaked, but it's mechanically, graphically and gameplay wise worse than 3, let alone 4. Is it nostalgia?
I don't get it.
I don't get it. People say this is where the diablo franchise peaked, but it's mechanically, graphically and gameplay wise worse than 3, let alone 4. Is it nostalgia?
a lot of it yeah but it's still a pretty good game shame the remaster is so locked down
it's all due to the trading economy
if you want to play a modernized d2, get project diablo or path of diablo (if greendude ever updates that shit)
I think people say all those about the old one.
>graphically
Opinion discarded
m8, it's a VIDEO game. The visuals are part of the game.
yeah, which is why d3 loses
you dumb fricking moron
Yeah, that's going to be a yikes from me bruh
how is the artstyle of 3 remotely close to 2
>yikes
you're a waste of space
>reddit spacing
This website is being censored
soon the word frick will get you banned on here
frick this corporate ass bullshit.
Yup, and D2 is better as a video and as a game. See how forgettable the visuals in D3 are, yet D2 is still getting praise for its style. Visuals matter so much that people back then were drawn into the Diablo franchise for how good and fresh it looked. No one got interested in D3 because of its graphics.
Its kinda useless to use that as a comparison for games released 23 years apart. Diablo was better graphically for its time, than Diablo 4 is now.
is this graphics make the game shit just cope from morons nowadays who play the same slop over and over and just go "it looks SO good." even though the game itself is dogshit.
Or is this bait?
>graphically
>the graphics:
do zoomer trannies really?
Zoomer take
The game is enjoyable but you must realize that it's also a 20+ year old game. I for one have been playing a lot of pd2 and that version of the game has a great deal of QoL shit added. Not to mention that they went out of their way to balance skilks/equipment and add more content to the game so you're not stuck just farming the same shit over and over. It adds quite a bit of options as far as builds go.
>Is it nostalgia?
Yes. 3 chads have been winning since Reaper of Souls and they can't stop winning.
>mechanically, graphically and gameplay wise worse than 3
D2 is objectively better in literally every single one of those areas and it's not remotely close
Except you're wrong. The end. 🙂
I am right, and you are
>gay
>moronic
>a zoomer
You are? Okay makes sense. Heh. Sad.
Play Ultima VIII.
secret of having fun is playing project diablo on seasonal hardcore, everything else means you're a filtered plebs
The studio that made D2 wasn't Blizzard. After Blizzard hated the playerbase of Diablo because they're a bunch of pussies and thought everyone was toxic. They crafted D3 in WoWs image. It's barely even a Diablo game.
D2 is where Diablo died.
to be fair you need a pretty high IQ to really appreciate D2
diablo 3
>enemies do 1 damage to you
>you have 1000 life
>enemies attack every 3 seconds
>go afk while enemy attacking you
>come back still alive
>click on enemy to instant kill it
>this is the level of difficulty for the first few hours of gameplay
diablo 2
>attack named mob in act 1
>his thorns/lightning mechanic takes off 50% of your hp
>need to hit and run, use throwables, resistance gear, or other ranged to not die
diablo 2 is more engaging. it doesnt matter how complex you make the combat diablo 2 is still more engaging because the world is actually dangerous and gear is also more dynamic and overal interesting. Diablo 3 also has story feature bloat with in game cutscenes every 5-10 minutes. I dont care if it gets better 10 hours in, D2 can be interesting just in act 1 and you can farm items just in act 1 norm that last you through the whole difficulty so items have weight beyond the "green arow up is good" loot of D3.
also D3 atmosphere was shit.
clairvoyants (not the yhoutuber) were calling this shit out on release and it ruslted blizzards feathers so bad they made the secret pony level to make fun of their fans, then they did a 180 and tried catering to them when the retention nuumbers were so bad it was threatening to make their expansions non profitable.
Huh? D2 is easy as shit even on players 8 until you get to hell.
Complete lies. Rakanishu is lvl 8 and can be deadly. going through the dark passage can be deadly because archers can kill you nearly instantly.
Also you are talking about endgame stuff, which i already went over in my post.
You just sound bad at games tbh. You have to willfully ignore gear and purposefully stat/skill like utter garbage to have any issue in Normal->NM.
i didnt say it was hard to beat i said it was more engaging. You dont even have the reading comprehension of a toddler. Try beating act 1 normal in D2 right now as a melee without chugging potions, its very doable in D3.
cmon, you just need to collect stuff and sell it then buy some rando weapon from charsi and the merc with a blue bow and bam you are rolling your face
dont try and pretend act 1 is challenging
Now lets wash the juice off this cherrypick and adapt it to reality
diablo 3
>high rifts can 1-5 shot you
>have to be cognizant of their abilities or risk instadying
>Strong builds can evaporate a lot of things hence why you drive higher rifts for engagement
>No safety net potions
diablo 2
>literally don't take damage in 2/3 difficulties
>every challenge in Hell is overcome by mashing safety net potions
>Competent builds evaporate everything all game
>Zero next level challenge
he did a very real example though, your examples are only applicable at endgame(the most boring part of any game)
(You)r examples were shit and accounted only for the stories of the games which make up a micro percentage of actual game time. Neither have difficult stories but Expert/Master which you can play the story on from the get go are MUCH more challenging then being forced through the snoozefest or normal and nightmare (and arguably hell) which even with actual shit tier builds you can just potion mash through.
I know your fried zoomer adhd brain can't comprehend this, but only dedicated players actually stick around to play post-game stuff. Even if the health sponge mobs of Expert/Master diablo 3 were actually difficult to fight, no one want to sit through the embarrassing campaign of that piece of shit game.
>>You're just talking about end game!
>Bring up story
>>Heh sorry zoomer but real players play end game
Disingenuous homosexual.
>Even if the health sponge mobs of Expert/Master diablo 3
Baddie dedicated
jesus christ learn to read holy frick
D2's itemization is 100x better than D3 though, and ARPGs are all about loot.
Okay zoom zoom
>new *click click click*
😐
>old *click click click*
:O
sorry anon, every game is controlled by pressing and wiggling stuff
sometimes even at the same time
>but it's mechanically, graphically and gameplay wise worse than 3, let alone 4
You just made a statement without any evidence or explanation. What a great thread!
D3 added a better framework. On paper it appears deeper. Pick more skills rather than spam one over and over. More interesting passives. No potion spamming.
But d2 aims to have more depth. In D3 you just check if the arrow is green or red and thats how you upgrade your gear. In d2 you have to juggle stats so there is descion making. You have to juggle 4 resistances. You have to balance your mana generation as a mage and your to hit as a non-mage. You have to balance how fast you kill (damage) vs the bonus rewards for killing (magic find). Sometimes you have to juggle attributes, that new chest plate is awesome but you don't have enough strength so you need to get some on gear. Different forms of +damage have other things to consider, like +weapon damage is just damage but +barbarian skills also raises stuff beside damage. Ice damage is weaker but deals with ressurecting copses and slows enemies. Lightning damage is bad against those enemies that have low health but attack in groups but better vs tanky targets due to it's higher damage. Physical damage is the only type that can work with leach. Poison means you maintain part of your DPS when evading and can let you fire n forget.
Every one of these features has jank and might not come up often but it's better than reducing everything to a generic attack value and a generic defense value like I'm getting loot in Phantasy Star for the Sega Master system.
That's why PoE is the true successor to D2 because it took all these little things and improved on them or even expanded.
> In D3 you just check if the arrow is green or red and thats how you upgrade your gear.
WEAPON DPS BAD ENHANCED DAMAGE % GOOD DURRRR
>In d2 you have to juggle stats so there is descion making.
No you don't. There's a reason every build is all into vit.
>You have to juggle 4 resistances.
No you don't you can potion out of every bit of damage and if we're talking about high elemental damage in Hell -- you also have to do this for Master+.
>You have to balance your mana generation as a mage and your to hit as a non-mage.
You literally don't.
>that new chest plate is awesome but you don't have enough strength so you need to get some on gear.
How is getting a drop you can't use fun OR deep? Going in blind it's "OH GREAT I GOTTA DROP POINTS INTO USELESS STAT TO PLAY THE GAME" Going in with any experience it's "cool so 1 into str/dex and 3 into vit for the first so many levels.. so deep."
>You have to balance how fast you kill (damage) vs the bonus rewards for killing (magic find).
You literally don't.
> Different forms of +damage have other things to consider, like +weapon damage is just damage but +barbarian skills also raises stuff beside damage. Ice damage is weaker but deals with ressurecting copses and slows enemies. Lightning damage is bad against those enemies that have low health but attack in groups but better vs tanky targets due to it's higher damage. Physical damage is the only type that can work with leach. Poison means you maintain part of your DPS when evading and can let you fire n forget.
All of these damage types exist in Diablo 2 and their typing and enhancement exists on items except + to skills which never requires you to "balance" in D2 because it's always a net damage game above all else.
You sound like someone with a tentative grasp on both games and a significant nostalgia for a nonexisent complexity of D2.
>no you don't
>and if you do it's stupid
>frick you
>you are stupid
Do you need your diaper changed?
The existence of mechanics that don't have to be acknowledged at all doesn't make a game deep or complex.
Why don't you go through hell on hardcore and not aknowledge those stats. Ignore resistances, if you are a mage ignore mana, if you are fighter ignore to hit, and all the other stuff you said doesn't matter during your temper tantrum.
Now go get your baby wipes or you'll get a rash from your own shit.
Been there done that
Wrong. Mechanics that a player can use to increase efficiency add depth to the game even if they are not needed to beat the game.
>increase efficiency
Itemizing a stat you don't need is the exact opposite of efficiency. Actually moronic?
>you dont need resistances because you can just drink healing potions!
>no resistances
>boss does 90% of your HP in 1 hit
>run away and wait for healing potion
vs
>have efficient resistant stats
>boss does 20% of your HP in 1 hit
>dont need to run away and can keep doing damage
you are dumb. are you a game dev? You sound like a blizzard diversity hire dev.
>Actually moronic?
you are very moronic and it pains me to have to converse with you and explain basic b***h ideas i would expect someone with 90iq to understand intuitively .
>wait for healing potion
Rejuvs are instantaneous heals.. You literally don't know how the play the game you're ardently defending.
>just have a belt full of full rejuvs at all times
yeah sure. you totally played the game.
A counter argument is for when someone else has made an actual argument themselves, you havent. not worth putting in any effort beyond calling you stupid, which you obviously are.
>yeah sure. you totally played the game.
Game litters you with health potions. You can buy them as well. You find WAY more Rejuvenation potions on the way to the big bosses of each act. Nothing on the way will ever warrant needed anything more than regular potions and worst case scenario you can just cube rejuvenations. I'm sure I've called this out SEVERAL posts so far about (You) but you sound woefully uninformed and bad at a game you are ardently defending.
If this is the best you can do "retared" may as well exit the thread. My dick can only get so bloody from verbally brutalizing you.
>You don't have to use resistances because you can potion out of every bit of damage
You have no idea what you are talking about. what an idiot.
whats it like to type all that and be a complete moron?
(You) have been defeated. Ad hominem dick sucking ain't changing that, sweetie.
>defeated
what exactly do you think is happening right now lol.
>be retared and say things that are wrong and dont even make sense
>nooo you cant just say im wrong and call me a dummy!
lol
>Can't muster a counter argument
Way to out yourself as someone who reads words by the letter. Also bringing up typos in internet arguments. you are a very low life form indeed.
>Still can't muster a counter argument
>"UMMMMMM WOW REALLY CALLING YOUR MY TYPOS NOW?"
Your post was given the absolute equivalent response. Not my fault you outed yourself as the true "retared."
I'm getting obese fedora wearing kid vibes from this posts. you know the type that would talk about video games and just give absolutely incorrect advise with such intense convictions.
I just don't really get 'endgame' in arpgs
rifts in D3
mapworks in torchlight
I guess D2 doesn't really have one other than Baal runs. once I beat hell I just make a new character.
at least with something like Ng+ you're doing quests and shit, grinding rifts and shit like that just seems mindnumbing
when did the whole 'endgame' aspect become something that devs solely focused on
Endgame is a fricking misunderstood concept. Once you get to the endgame, then the game is OVER. If you want to keep playing, that's entirely optional and considering extra content as a fricking main game mechanic is extremely autistic.
>Once you get to the endgame, then the game is OVER
That makes no sense when it comes to D2, because you had things like getting to 99, maxing your gear, ubers, PvP, trading, and so on. These things were the main game. People who just played single player through the campaign and then quit were extreme weirdos.
>These things were the main game
No it wasn't. People who got into autistic levels of minmaxing are not the majority of the players. It's just that you'll always see them online. The game was not planned to "start" at Hell difficulty. The game ends at Normal Baal. If you want to continue, you can. And knowing the playerbase, they worked out 2 more difficulties to keep increasing your character's level. Turns out the playerbase was even MORE autistic, and they had to add Ubers for those with meme builds and even nerf out 80+ content so the majority of the players would stop complaining about how hard it was.
See all those unique items you're looking for in your thousands of runs? You're not supposed to have them. They are supposed to be extremely rare. But no, you choose to engage in autistic collector behaviour. It's not the game's fault. Maxing your character is not the objective. It's just what some players want to do. But they are the huge minority.
>The game ends at Normal Baal.
I have never in my life met a single person who just played D2 to normal Baal and then quit. You'd have to be an absolute fricking weirdo to do that.
Obviously. Because people who quit after Normal Baal, or maybe a few Nightmare levels, didn't play long enough to even team up with you. People quit.
>See all those unique items you're looking for in your thousands of runs? You're not supposed to have them.
Are you just going to ignore that Diablo 2 has literally been about getting fully geared before the ladder resets and then doing it all over again when it resets? That's the way it has been for 20 years.
Why are you talking like that was the intent or what they thought the majority of players would be going for? You're just describing a portion of the playerbase, which happens to be the most autistic. At the beginning, when Diablo 2 was released, no one even talked about builds. You're judging a game after it's been discussed and played for long.
>Why are you talking like that was the intent or what they thought the majority of players would be going for?
Doesn't matter what the intent was. What matters is what ended up happening. The vast majority of people wanted more and more, so they started doing ladders.
>vast majority of people wanted more and more
No. The playerbase who stayed wanted more and more. The millions of casual players just killed Diablo and thought they finished the game, because they did.
I can't believe how it's been decades and people still don't realize how Blizzard targets both the casual and the autistic. It's the same thing with WoW.
It's a way to keep yourself occupied honijng your build and gear. D2gays generally lash out against it because their lacks an end game beyond insta erasing Baal/Pindle/Countess 293832849023492 times while its competitors have various ways to have fun and also reap the benefits.
Personally, as I got older it just felt like a waste of time.
It's even worse than 1. I have no idea why some people liked it.
IV > III > II > I
Bad bait.
3 > 4 IMO but they can get 4 to a good place if they put in the work and not abandon it like the rumors. I have no desire to ever touch 4 again but I'll fire up 3 on PC and/or Switch and pound out some GRifts for a power fantasy fulfillment now and then.
IV < III < II < I
>Is it nostalgia?
Of course it is. Even back then this game looked like shit so I never got the hype. The most bland shit looking ever.
>The most bland shit looking ever.
You were definitely not around in 2000 when D2 came out, so why pretend you were? D2 felt fricking revolutionary.
I was around and I get no enjoyment out of any of it. Its mindless and not fun. No real depth.
>No real depth
D2 had a lot of depth for a 2000 game. What are you talking about? Of course it wasn't cRPG level, but to say that D2 had "no real depth" makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, D2 was fine for it's era but BTFO by its successors in literally every way. I guess the story of 2 is maybe better but
>Blizz story
kek
this is going to sound dumb but its before diablo was turned into "a game" a bunch of 20-40 year old autistic nerds gave you AN ADVENTURE that came on a CD ROM. Diablo 3 took that and basically gave us the horseshit we saw from weaker contemporaries like Torchlight where somehow you tick all the boxes but its borderline autoclicker territory
Diablo lost to borderlands. heres my standalone Diablo tier list
D2>D3>D1>D4
Now heres Diablo when borderlands is also vying for my attention
Borderlands 3 tps>Borderlands 2>Diablo 2 > Borderlands 1=Diablo3>Diablo 1>Diablo 4
We live in a post borderlands world, play the superior ARPG series, stop being contrarian
>looter shooter
>arpg
Borderlands is literally Diablo with guns
>guns
>RPG
any more brainlet takes from you?
D3 >>>>>>> D4 > D2 >>>>> D1
Simple as.
it's a product of its time, you won't get the feels now in 2023 playing it as we did back in the day.
it is nostalgia
most of the loot in d4 is literally the same as d2 yet you have the boomers crying about it being so boring
they are literally moronic
But let's ignore d3 or d4, shit cant even compete with poe, why would anyone not mentally ill play d2 when poe exist?
>most of the loot in d4 is literally the same as d2
You couldn't be more wrong, even if you tried. You have absolutely no fricking clue what you are talking about.
I like Diablo 1 more than 2
25 years later and people are still playing this, actually they are playing it more than the others.
>mechanically worse than 3 and 4
wrong
>graphically worse
lmao you're fricking moronic
>gameplay
would be true if 4 wasn't a stream of
>FROZEN
STUNNED
>FROZEN
STUNNED
>FROZEN
STUNNED
typical nu-blizz oversaturating their games in CC.
When do we begin genociding the zoomers?
my friend quit school to play d2 for a year
i never heard of that once from d3, just a bunch of ppl b***hing.
when i was 14 i used to pindlebot while sleeping
i used to wake up sometimes and just watch it at like 4am
checking it in the morning to see if it had some ultra rare loots was like christmas morning feels from childhood
i know you are baiting but you are still a homosexual.
get cancer.
>graphically
Zoom zoom kill self or stay away from video games