>Good for the gods.
Literally doesn't matter because they're all dead or wandered off into who-gives-a-frick land. >Bad for the humans.
We straight up don't know because Miyahacki couldn't be bothered to finish the series and all we have is vague shit from 2 and completely nonsensical retcons from 3.
Depends on how you feel about the age of the gods. Was it glorious for humans to serve their gods or were they tyrants who stunted humanity's potential?
Is the uncertainty of the age of dark a risk worth taking?
It's good in the beginning since it gave humanity willpower to create and live a good life. But it comes at a cost, the more often you link the fire, the lesser willpower gained, and today it is at the point where humans got almost no willpower and became walking undead instead, and the world turned to literal chaos. So might as well just let it all die out to nothingness, and after an eternity maybe someone will link a fire to prosper civilization again, loop. At least that's my interpretation.
no that's all completely wrong, linking is good for the Gods, not Humanity, humanity has the Dark Soul and would prosper in the dark, the dark isn't "nothing" it's its own world
Do you let an empire fall, or do you keep it going?
It's up to you to decide. It was a bit more interesting question if you don't take into account the sequels that introduced the idea of repeating cycles no matter what you choose.
>the sequels that introduced the idea of repeating cycles no matter what you choose.
Thats there in the first game. Finish the game and you wake up right back in the asylum and you get the sense that its just one big humanity farming hampster wheel.
Spoiler but if you're interested in the lore you probably heard that, but spoiler warning still.
In DS1 there are hints that say the Age of Fire is kinda shit and is supposed to end, but also the Age of Dark is shown as something bad and scary so you link the Fire because you're a human and everything, it's the right thing to do from that perspective. In DS3 you play as a being of ash, so the perspective is different. You also get a glimpse of the Age of Dark in the Untended Graves, and there are a lot of hints that say the Age of Dark might not be so bad (because there are embers that will still exist in the Dark) so it might be a good thing to not link the Fire this time. So not linking the Fire is not a bad ending, because the true bad (or rather evil) ending is if you take the power of the Fire for yourself.
There are multiple endings. At the time the games came out it was all mysterious and everything. With all the research that has been done on the lore we know it depends on your perspective and how you roleplay.
Of course it's good, it brings you the character adventure, power, and fun. It's not your fault that the developers/writers made the linking of the fire to be consequential or not, you are there to pillage the game and enjoy yourself. It's the same in real life. You didn't create the world, you were born into it at the 11th hour.
As Tolstoy said, "What is the cause of historical events? Power. What is power? Power is the sum total of wills transferred to one person. On what condition are the wills of the masses transferred to one person? On condition that the person expresses the will of the whole people. That is, power is power. That is, power is a word the meaning of which we do not understand."
Also, "Millions of men, renouncing their human feelings and reason, had to go from west to east to slay their fellows, just as some centuries previously hordes of men had come from the east to the west slaying their fellows."
>Of course it's good, it brings you the character adventure, power, and fun
You literally get burned alive. Meanwhile in the dark ending you survive and become the new king
The coolest thing in this series is the lore. It's almost a psychedelic experience where you come in as unknowing and you leave with glimpses of insight and you have to act on instinct throughout the whole experience.
You're like my friend who would eat 5g of mushrooms in one sitting and 3 hours after would still be like "I don't feel anything" and that's kinda sad.
not him, but I just read a very famous and revered japanese novel about this collection of sisters dealing with the modernization of japan during WW2. There were a lot of themes of decay, failing aristocracy, etc. To me, it was all "why is this b***h not married yet?"
>not him, but I just read a very famous and revered japanese novel about this collection of sisters dealing with the modernization of japan during WW2.
Please give me the title. >To me, it was all "why is this b***h not married yet?"
Just why. This is depressing if that's all you ask yourself and wonder about.
it doesn't matter. both things lead to the same. its a never-ending cycle. classic jap nihilistic story
https://i.imgur.com/v8pLiEr.jpg
I don't get it. Is linking the fire good or bad?
Relinking the fire doesn't lead to any cycle. Repeated linking actually fricks up the whole world and breaks the cycle into a big broken mess. That's the whole point of the DS3 story and especially the DLC. The disparity between light and dark fades away and things return to this artificial version of the age of dragons. Life starts turning into trees and all things turn into grey ash. Neither light nor dark. This can only be prevented by not linking the fire
only linking the Fire perpetuates the cycle, breaking the cycle is literally the entire point of the other ending, it forces humanity to evolve without being subservient to the Gods, its not really explicitly good or bad, just depends on player perspective
yes, but the whole point is that during the age of dark, the flame will appear again and a new age of fire will appear. the firekeeper in ds3 and aldia in ds2 say and imply this.
yes, that is the garbage they pulled out of the ass when Miyazaki was supervisor instead of writer/director to make a bunch of trash sequels, but we're talking about Dark Souls 1 here
Bad since it just repeats the same shit that Gwyn has been doing. Letting it die moves the world forward into an age of darkness but one where humans will thrive and take over.
You have to decide for yourself which one is better. I see linking the fire as a good ending but also don't think that the Age of Dark would really be much worse for humanity than the Age of Fire. I just have faith that humanity could prosper under the Age of Fire and want to see it happen.
>bro, the age of dark is good, humans will be the new leaders of the world because pygmy found the dark soul within the flame >meanwhile the city of the pygmies is full of dark mud and man eating insects >pygmy himself became an abyss monster after his humanity went wild too >every time a serpent has told someone the abyss is actually good, the entre city ended up in ruins and his inhabitants crazy (oolacile, new londo)
mmmhhhh...
there was a time in our history when we too were not much more than mud dwellers eating insects
the point is putting faith in something that can strive for greatness unconstrained by the will of the Gods, sure maybe the Darkwraiths had it wrong and humanity is destined for nothing more than complete oblivion in the Age of Dark, but the player is choosing hope over faith when they go for that ending
wild darkness aka humans winning is better for humans than being genocided by giant "people", relatively speaking.
I have been avoiding mentioning this for a while now... what do you call a completely burnt offering, and no the answer is not the chosen undead. and why did a japanese vidya company make this the end goal of their series
we've never seen a dark souls kingdom in its prosperous years. we don't know if it's even worth it to live in one, we've never seen something worth saving. walking through depressing lifeless ruins just makes me think "this should all be nuked". I only feel sorry for Andre in 3 who can't let go.
The age of fire is an age of peace, where humans can live normally and ultimately die. But the downside is that they must be subservient to the gods, who are the ones who actually get stronger by the presence of the flame. Another downside is that to achieve this ending you have to become a martyr and burn yourself in the flame, forever becoming a cinder ghost linked to protect the fire.
The age of dark is the survival of the fittest. There will be humanities aplenty that humans can use to gain power, but they will have to fight for them in an age full of abyss monstrosities. The good side is that you don't have to have a nice day in this ending, and since you're the strongest person around by this point, you'll be the new big lord of the world.
"Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity. And men assumed a fleeting form. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite… A lie will remain a lie. Young Hollow, knowing this, do you still desire peace?"
Ultimately though, Gwyn commited a sin by linking the fire instead of letting history continue his natural course, so now the world is doomed to an eternal cycle of dark and light no matter what you do.
best way to describe the fire vs dark ending is the routes in SMT
neither Law or Chaos ending solves the worlds problems, it just puts the world in a particular state for a while before the same decision needs to be made again
choosing neutral which you can either compare to the usurp ending or the lords refusing to kindle is in a way the best decision but that choice needs to be made eventually
there is no good choice because both will be made ad infinitum forever it just comes down to your personal belief
Which is fine and diegetic. You're just some random butthole with a curse caught up in aeons of prophecy lost to time.
You're not really supposed to know whats going on, but there's no going back and only one way forward.
Also every npc you meet eventually goes hollow once they reach the end of their quest, the knowledge of bigger events won't save you.
time is convoluted
Ass
It's meaningless
Good for the gods.
Bad for the humans.
So extinguish the flame and let the dark Age of Man begin
>Good for the gods.
Literally doesn't matter because they're all dead or wandered off into who-gives-a-frick land.
>Bad for the humans.
We straight up don't know because Miyahacki couldn't be bothered to finish the series and all we have is vague shit from 2 and completely nonsensical retcons from 3.
Depends on how you feel about the age of the gods. Was it glorious for humans to serve their gods or were they tyrants who stunted humanity's potential?
Is the uncertainty of the age of dark a risk worth taking?
Dead Dink.
If you link the fire, linking it is bad.
If you don't link the fire, linking it is good.
It's good in the beginning since it gave humanity willpower to create and live a good life. But it comes at a cost, the more often you link the fire, the lesser willpower gained, and today it is at the point where humans got almost no willpower and became walking undead instead, and the world turned to literal chaos. So might as well just let it all die out to nothingness, and after an eternity maybe someone will link a fire to prosper civilization again, loop. At least that's my interpretation.
no that's all completely wrong, linking is good for the Gods, not Humanity, humanity has the Dark Soul and would prosper in the dark, the dark isn't "nothing" it's its own world
Do you let an empire fall, or do you keep it going?
It's up to you to decide. It was a bit more interesting question if you don't take into account the sequels that introduced the idea of repeating cycles no matter what you choose.
>the sequels that introduced the idea of repeating cycles no matter what you choose.
Thats there in the first game. Finish the game and you wake up right back in the asylum and you get the sense that its just one big humanity farming hampster wheel.
Spoiler but if you're interested in the lore you probably heard that, but spoiler warning still.
In DS1 there are hints that say the Age of Fire is kinda shit and is supposed to end, but also the Age of Dark is shown as something bad and scary so you link the Fire because you're a human and everything, it's the right thing to do from that perspective.
In DS3 you play as a being of ash, so the perspective is different. You also get a glimpse of the Age of Dark in the Untended Graves, and there are a lot of hints that say the Age of Dark might not be so bad (because there are embers that will still exist in the Dark) so it might be a good thing to not link the Fire this time. So not linking the Fire is not a bad ending, because the true bad (or rather evil) ending is if you take the power of the Fire for yourself.
There are multiple endings. At the time the games came out it was all mysterious and everything. With all the research that has been done on the lore we know it depends on your perspective and how you roleplay.
Of course it's good, it brings you the character adventure, power, and fun. It's not your fault that the developers/writers made the linking of the fire to be consequential or not, you are there to pillage the game and enjoy yourself. It's the same in real life. You didn't create the world, you were born into it at the 11th hour.
As Tolstoy said, "What is the cause of historical events? Power. What is power? Power is the sum total of wills transferred to one person. On what condition are the wills of the masses transferred to one person? On condition that the person expresses the will of the whole people. That is, power is power. That is, power is a word the meaning of which we do not understand."
Also, "Millions of men, renouncing their human feelings and reason, had to go from west to east to slay their fellows, just as some centuries previously hordes of men had come from the east to the west slaying their fellows."
>Of course it's good, it brings you the character adventure, power, and fun
You literally get burned alive. Meanwhile in the dark ending you survive and become the new king
Did getting burned alive erase the tens of hours of fun leading up to burning alive?
Also, "alive?" You are very much dead in Dark Souls.
Under that logic then any ending is good because what's important is the journey. That's not the point of the thread
Mate I have no idea what anything in the game meant. I just went from point a to b and killed the enemies.
The coolest thing in this series is the lore. It's almost a psychedelic experience where you come in as unknowing and you leave with glimpses of insight and you have to act on instinct throughout the whole experience.
You're like my friend who would eat 5g of mushrooms in one sitting and 3 hours after would still be like "I don't feel anything" and that's kinda sad.
Read a book, gay
not him, but I just read a very famous and revered japanese novel about this collection of sisters dealing with the modernization of japan during WW2. There were a lot of themes of decay, failing aristocracy, etc. To me, it was all "why is this b***h not married yet?"
People interface with stories differently
>not him, but I just read a very famous and revered japanese novel about this collection of sisters dealing with the modernization of japan during WW2.
Please give me the title.
>To me, it was all "why is this b***h not married yet?"
Just why. This is depressing if that's all you ask yourself and wonder about.
nvm I found it. It's The Makioka Sisters.
It's not really headcannon. That's what I've gathered from the lore as well.
Nah dude I loved DS1 but the lore is irredeemable nonsense.
it doesn't matter. both things lead to the same. its a never-ending cycle. classic jap nihilistic story
wrong
awesome argument
Relinking the fire doesn't lead to any cycle. Repeated linking actually fricks up the whole world and breaks the cycle into a big broken mess. That's the whole point of the DS3 story and especially the DLC. The disparity between light and dark fades away and things return to this artificial version of the age of dragons. Life starts turning into trees and all things turn into grey ash. Neither light nor dark. This can only be prevented by not linking the fire
only linking the Fire perpetuates the cycle, breaking the cycle is literally the entire point of the other ending, it forces humanity to evolve without being subservient to the Gods, its not really explicitly good or bad, just depends on player perspective
yes, but the whole point is that during the age of dark, the flame will appear again and a new age of fire will appear. the firekeeper in ds3 and aldia in ds2 say and imply this.
yes, that is the garbage they pulled out of the ass when Miyazaki was supervisor instead of writer/director to make a bunch of trash sequels, but we're talking about Dark Souls 1 here
Bad since it just repeats the same shit that Gwyn has been doing. Letting it die moves the world forward into an age of darkness but one where humans will thrive and take over.
Prolongs the inevitable
Yes
>Brands us
>Enslaves us
>Uses us as kindling for the First Flame
wow this guy's an butthole
>PLIN PLIN PLON
wtf I love Gwyn now
yes
You have to decide for yourself which one is better. I see linking the fire as a good ending but also don't think that the Age of Dark would really be much worse for humanity than the Age of Fire. I just have faith that humanity could prosper under the Age of Fire and want to see it happen.
>bro, the age of dark is good, humans will be the new leaders of the world because pygmy found the dark soul within the flame
>meanwhile the city of the pygmies is full of dark mud and man eating insects
>pygmy himself became an abyss monster after his humanity went wild too
>every time a serpent has told someone the abyss is actually good, the entre city ended up in ruins and his inhabitants crazy (oolacile, new londo)
mmmhhhh...
I'd rather take a chance on the Age of the Dark than the shitshow that is the world in DS3 after thousands of years of linking the fire
there was a time in our history when we too were not much more than mud dwellers eating insects
the point is putting faith in something that can strive for greatness unconstrained by the will of the Gods, sure maybe the Darkwraiths had it wrong and humanity is destined for nothing more than complete oblivion in the Age of Dark, but the player is choosing hope over faith when they go for that ending
wild darkness aka humans winning is better for humans than being genocided by giant "people", relatively speaking.
I have been avoiding mentioning this for a while now... what do you call a completely burnt offering, and no the answer is not the chosen undead. and why did a japanese vidya company make this the end goal of their series
doesnt matter, the ending is botched anyway
Doesn't matter, the Frampt/Kaathe hydra wins either way.
we've never seen a dark souls kingdom in its prosperous years. we don't know if it's even worth it to live in one, we've never seen something worth saving. walking through depressing lifeless ruins just makes me think "this should all be nuked". I only feel sorry for Andre in 3 who can't let go.
The age of fire is an age of peace, where humans can live normally and ultimately die. But the downside is that they must be subservient to the gods, who are the ones who actually get stronger by the presence of the flame. Another downside is that to achieve this ending you have to become a martyr and burn yourself in the flame, forever becoming a cinder ghost linked to protect the fire.
The age of dark is the survival of the fittest. There will be humanities aplenty that humans can use to gain power, but they will have to fight for them in an age full of abyss monstrosities. The good side is that you don't have to have a nice day in this ending, and since you're the strongest person around by this point, you'll be the new big lord of the world.
"Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity. And men assumed a fleeting form. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite… A lie will remain a lie. Young Hollow, knowing this, do you still desire peace?"
Ultimately though, Gwyn commited a sin by linking the fire instead of letting history continue his natural course, so now the world is doomed to an eternal cycle of dark and light no matter what you do.
stfu headcanon tard
it's only good if you're into cuckoldry
best way to describe the fire vs dark ending is the routes in SMT
neither Law or Chaos ending solves the worlds problems, it just puts the world in a particular state for a while before the same decision needs to be made again
choosing neutral which you can either compare to the usurp ending or the lords refusing to kindle is in a way the best decision but that choice needs to be made eventually
there is no good choice because both will be made ad infinitum forever it just comes down to your personal belief
it's whatever. I never bothered with the stories in these games
Which is fine and diegetic. You're just some random butthole with a curse caught up in aeons of prophecy lost to time.
You're not really supposed to know whats going on, but there's no going back and only one way forward.
Also every npc you meet eventually goes hollow once they reach the end of their quest, the knowledge of bigger events won't save you.