Seriously, I dont get the hatred fallout fans have for their own series and each other. Every single one of the games is either good, great, or a classic. The show, while not perfect, is still amazing for a video game show production and feels good as a Fallout Program. So why do Fallout fans hate each other so much and only seem interested in how anything new with the series will harm another sector of the fanbase?
streaming audiences are shit and I will take the worst of the gaming crowd over them
This is basically every fanbase, dude.
While true, none that ive seen are as bad as the Fallout fanbase with how nonsensically they are at each others throats. I cant even think of any other fanbase thats really on this level of hateboner and doomerism for their own franchise over practically nothing, like they want it to fail.
How about that the games are completely different from one another? People even debate F1 vs F2 despite those two being nearly the exact same game. So when Bethesda introduced F3 being an FPS that had little to do with the old games the fandom tore itself apart. This is only exacerbated by NV, F4, and this TV show. We need a Master like figure for the Fallout fandom.
>We need a Master like figure for the Fallout fandom.
No, we need to just quit buying their fricking games. Stop giving money to shysters who use your nostalgia as a weapon against your common sense. You have other post-apocalyptic games to play that are far better and have better worldbuilding, so why give a frick about Fallout? Unless you're 'trying the game' to see what the TV show is about.
I haven't ever bought F4 or 76. I'm not watching the TV show. It doesn't matter because Bethesda owns the IP now. And while other games exist that are Fallout-like such as Wasteland or Underrail. They don't exactly match the same feeling that the original games did.
Fallout 3 being bad is a modern realization, everybody loved fallout 3 at launch. Even if you really cared about old fallout lore, aside from the enclave and brotherhood being on the east coast nothing really mattered or contradicted what came before
No F3 has always been controversal on the internet. I'm sure you could find 2008 era NMA posts criticising F3. Also the inverse was happening as well with F3 kids having never touched Fallout 1 and 2 shitting on the games. But Fallout 3 is shat on a lot more these days I can see that.
Obviously there are always going to people in pockets of the internet who dislike anything, but there's no denying that fallout 3 is responsible for the current cultural relevence of the franchise. Fallout 3 might not be very good but at least anyone whos interested in can go play it right now whereas old crpgs are way less accessible. It was essentially 6th gen console games that ushered in the era of old games that are actually playable beyond the era they were created
Those Fallout 3 kids grew up to become Bethesda streamers that still shit on the original games without having tried them (but pretending they did).
My first game was new vegas and I've tried about 5 times to play fallout 2 and it's essentially inpenetrable to anyone who didn't grow up playing it. Isn't nv proof that you don't need to be an isometric crpg to have depth and quality? Fallout 2 is a game that has been objectively obliterated by the passage of time while every single 3d fallout game can be played by anyone no problem
>it's essentially inpenetrable to anyone who didn't grow up playing it
Not true. I was born 2001 and can play Fallout 1 and 2 just fine. I feel like people never look in the options to enable always running and turn the combat speed to max. They're really not that hard to get into as all you ever need to play is a mouse. And even if you hate the turn based combat you can play a speech character.
note the use of the word essentially, if you're one of the rare people who can play it then I envy you
Have you tried Fallout 1 before? It is the easier game to get into. Fallout 2s Temple will frick you if you don't know what you're doing.
I beat Fallout 2's temple when I was 12 with no Internet or guide as Narg (the premade dude) who sucks ass. It was no problem for me at all lmfao
I don't have the slightest interest in fallout 1
I hope you understand that your difficulty comes from a lack of intelligence and not the game's required skill level to operate it.
Are you people really so binary that you can't acknowledge that literally anything about fallout 1 and 2 is unintuitive? That requiring the manual and having no tool tips isn't the best way to do things? It isn't a problem that a modern game would put a tool tip telling you how to lockpick a door open in a tutorial area?
nobody is impressed that you liked playing an archaic game from last century.
>everybody
Existing fallout fans, which were extremely rare at the time, did not love it at all and b***hed about it from minute one. Fallout 3 generated millions of new fans out of console gamers who had never played the older games and they were the ones who loved it.
So the new fans who liked it vastly outnumbered the boomers who hated it? Sounds like you agree with me
The new ""fans"" aren't even human.
you weren't there. Fallout 3 always had detractors, especially after New Vegas released as an actual sequel to Fallout 2.
I was there and everyone I knew came in their pants over fallout 3
"everyone" being Xbox 360 owners who had never heard of Fallout before.
Yes, the game recived near universal praise at the time. Listen, I'm not saying fallout 3 is good, I'm saying that the current discourse surrounding it's quality is due to a recent examination of the game
and I'm telling you the discourse was there from the start, which is true. You're flat out wrong and the game's mainstream popularity has no bearing on the criticism it got from RPG fans in the past or today.
The tiny number of boomers that played fallout 1 had no impact on the discourse back then and them being vindicated now has no impact on my correct statement that most people thought the game was good when it came out
Fallout 3 is like the phamtom menace, you could find plenty of people who didn't like it when it came out, but it still took a decade for the cope to wear off and for the general public to understand that it's a fundementally bad movie regardless of subjective enjoyment
Only bethesdrones did.
This has already been discussed in previous thread, but FO3 haters were there since day 1, be it old fans, oblivion fanboys, or the people who started the franchise from 3. Denying this is just simple historic revisionism.
Historical revisionism is pretending the modern view is the historical view, I'm not even willing to say with confidence now that fallout 3 being bad is the mainstream position
>modern
Funny thing is that it is not, even before NV you could find people shitting on it for its juvenile writing, terrible gunplay and even worse RPG mechanics. It's just after NV, things became much more clearer to the general public.
>everybody loved fallout 3
Also it's funny how this applies not only to everything "fallout" after 3 but to the show as well. It's amusing how all you redditors are storming this board crying that we don't clap and cheer because some shit TV show is checking "nerdy fallout things" off a list
do boomergays actually give a shit about aarena and daggerfall?
I never said fallout 3 was good, people liked it, simple as. What you're pretending the discourse around 3 was like is actually far more akin to the discourse of fallout 4 because there was actually a large number of fans to get let down
>the show while not perfect
ahahahahaha
don't get hit by a train when you're shitting on the tracks, pajeet
The show is shit, it's not consistent with itself much less the world at large and Todd throwing fuel on the fire in hopes of getting an extra buck or two is burning his old fans to get streaming fans who don't play games.
Look at Fallout 76 and notice that the playerbase hasn't even reached FOTM games like Helldivers
https://steamcharts.com/app/1151340
The show is unpopular with people who actually play the video games and is popular with moron normalgays who don't give a frick about the games or the lore. They care about getting the next Game of Thrones to gossip about with their friends when they're drunk. Games? Who cares, that's for people of low social standing. Todd wants to rub shoulders with actors and celebrities, not neckbeards in their basement.
So of course the neckbeards who, yknow, play the agmes are going to be upset. Especially when the show is saying "Yeah those old-ass games? who gives a frick, they all got nuked n shiet lol"
The "fanbase" is divided because there are people with taste and there are people who will eat up whatever fallout brand slop is fed to them. It's basically the same thing as modern star wars: there are the people that like the starwars things that are good and there are the consumer onions goblins that watch and enjoy all the disney plus shows
because fallout 1/2/NV had that world building autismo that very few games have, so when a show comes along and shit on the world building because muh drama and muh storytelling, its like kicking the wasp hive.
You want to destroy NCR, fine, do it, but you better explain it why it happened in detail, what happened to each faction, the local fauna, the infrastructure, the economy. the local zestiest, point of view from all the different factions, all the settlements, external factions, external influences, and why logical answers, like, buy the water from new vegas, wouldn't solve the problem, dropping the nuke and saying lol lmao raiders is fricking moronic.
The story is useless if your world building trash.
Only people whining about it are autistic mentally ill trannies like this guy
>NOOOO NOT MUH LORE
Shut the frick up you fricking moronic homosexual, there's no way to please you because you focus on the tiniest most autistic details
Characters teleporting in and out of the story isn't a 'tiny, autistic detail'. This is inconsistent shit people with three numbers for an IQ instead of two can spot. You're literally celebrating being too fricking stupid to appreciate good writing over Hollywood plot convenience shit.
whatever nerd, go back to watching cinema sins you miserable loser
You seem extremely butthurt that anyone would dare to not guzzle down any old slop put in front of them, and that’s says a lot more about the kind of subhuman garbage you are than it does them.
> focus on the tiniest most autistic details
Yes I will focus on the small details and you better explain the tax policy of your fantasy world or I'm going to shit on your moron setting.
Nobody cares about any of that shit.
>their own series
what the frick makes you think this show is ours? and not a product sold by amazon? fricking consooooooomers man i just cannot
they're trying to overtake devil may cry as the most autistic fanbase
i would ignore them
I blame the troony loon campaign to declare new vegas heckin valid and therefore everything else bad; that perpetually online crowd has the time and energy to shitpost in every medium to ruin it for everyone else.
But New Vegas IS the only good Fallout game. You stupid poser all the others are nigh unplayable or not even RPGs at all.
The only based take in this thread
Old fallout games are as unplayble as new ones are poorly written and im tired of pretending they aren't
Nice falseflagging bethesdrone.
I think NV is Obsidian's only actually good videogame that stands the test of time meanwhile Bethesda doesn't have any good games I can't enjoy Oblivion today I never enjoyed Morrowind
>own series
You don't own shit. You seem to get caught up in the marketing. There are lightyears in mentality between people who started fallout and who serve the latest slop.
I understand some of the hate but I too think that people are being way, WAY too negative on it. It seems to be a trend now to fanatically shit on things if you spot even a single flaw in them. Internet has always been a negative place but I don't recall it being this bad.
What's so hard about 1 and 2?, I had friends that played 3 first and then the first 2. Almost all of them say 1 is by far the best. Some liked 2 others couldn't stand it. Does muh ui interface really cripple zooms?
>Does muh ui interface really cripple zooms?
Probably, I guess most of them never bother to hit F1 and look at the hotkeys.
I don't believe you when you say your friends like 1 but couldn't stand 2. It's literally more of the same. If you don't actually enjoy playing 1 but rush through the game to see the lore, I can see hating 2 because it's a much bigger sandbox.
>Does muh ui interface really criples zooms?
Obviously, 1998 was a long time ago, modern audeiences are accustomed to more intuitive uis
you don't start with a gun in 2 and it has a lot more tougher enemies, plus its about three times as long and has a really bad tutorial level
True but here's a tip for F2 newbs.
>there's a gun in Vics shed in Klamath
>Try a melee character, they're pretty fun
>Have high agility to run past enemies
>Have a high charisma to get companion characters such as Sulik
>Speech build, duh
Isn't there also a 10 mm gun in Klamath's tunnels, too?
I think so but you do have to fight swarms of rats to get to it iirc.
The show was decent enough. The vault dweller character was fricking perfect. The naive, "howdy stranger, may I approach?" couldn't have been written better.
The ghoul character has a compelling story. He's directly tied to the central conflict, like the vault dweller, and is the perfect foil to test her morality against. He's not plain evil, but his environment has conditioned him to do evil in order to survive. Great writing for a great character.
The brotherhood of steel guy? Completely awful. He drags down the show. He's routinely committing brazingly EVIL acts and doesn't seem to care. I think the final straw for me was when he branded the apprentice under false pretenses. It was just so unnecessarily evil. He has further problems where he's at odds with his own backstory because he doesn't buy into the BoS mentality which means he as a character is significantly handicapped while outside of his armor.
Lore-wise, the show fits well enough into the setting. I think SS being nuked, while unfortunate, fits better than synthetic humans walking around.
It's not hate, the series is just trash.
>braindead consoomer with cultish devotion to a brand can't wrap his head around the idea of other people not being the same
hes talking about intra-brand divisiveness you reactionary frickwit
Seriously, it's cute Toddlers think ruining Fallout to save it from itself was a good idea
Very Mass Effect 3
Toddtards probably defend Mass Effect 3 too
Because it's gay and cringe and has nothing to do with Fallout other than the name.
Think from the point of view of a New Vegas fan.
This happens with Star Wars and Fallout. The vitriol is caused by the IP changing ownership and thus having noticeably different products from the shift. This is unavoidable and normal tension. The people who enjoyed the series to begin with are unhappy with the new owners of the IP not making the product similar to what they enjoyed. Why is this difficult for you to understand?
except star wars already shit the bed in the hands of the man who supposedly created it
how does that matter? Fallout changed hands and are making completely different games wearing the skin of original fallout. Other anon's point still stands
The real similarity between starwars and fallout isn't the ip holder chaning (although that is related). The problem is that ALL THE NEW ENTRIES FRICKING SUCK ASS
>I don't get it
>It's good
>It's amazing
>so why
The problems are self evident for anyone who has played and cares for the west coast games and is not a shill, so I can only recommend you to play the games (1,2, New Vegas) because right now you are just a bot defending a brand.
well you answered your own question,
falloutgays are spoiled little buttholes
Halogays and Witchergays would kill to have someone like Todd to autistically gatekeep live action adaptations for a decade so only someone who played the games could run those shows
But Todd himself doesn't understand Fallout. Bethesda is the 343 of Fallout.
I hope fallout dies
Hilarious that Todd confirmed the decision to set it in California and destroy the NCR and reset the wasteland was an Amazon decision lol
In the end the normgroids will move on and all that will be left is an even smaller and more fractured fan base. After the hype and recency bias die down, this show will be seen as an average at best piece of media that really screwed things up for the series
>Every single one of the games is either good, great, or a classic.
That's a fricking lie
Because 1,2 and NV appeal to a very different audience from Bethesda's slop
Also, frick you and frick your "everything is le good shut up and consume the slop with me :*~~)" mentality, take it back to where it came