I don't understand the praise Diablo gets.
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I don't understand the praise Diablo gets.
I don't understand the praise Diablo gets.
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99% of "Diablo 2 fans" havent played diablo.
It just like with quake, doom, fallout and stalker games.
D2R sold around 10 million copies
That's like saying that Yakuza Kiwami sold XYZ copies. They're very different to the PS2 originals, the same goes for D2 vs D1
Rolling a dice to see a shiny drop and see numbers go up makes a brain sparkle. That's it.
Holy bullshit
what a moronic take. my dad took me to electronic boutique and bought d2 for me at release
My mom took me the local computer store, since this shit wasn't sold really anywhere else yet, and I got a copy of d2 and an unraveller toy with it.
I remember visiting Software Etc. and my Dad made me pick between Nox and Diablo, went with Nox. Bought Diablo a few months later.
i just love the setting and feeling of power and the story
i played quake 3 and d2 when i was young so it was formative, i can understand people born after to not understand
then again i played d3 for the story which nobody really does either.
It's basically baby's first Gauntlet. What's worse is that Blizzard didn't even make Diablo, they just bought the studio and IP that made it. Blizzard has not once ever made an original game or idea.
>Blizzard didn't even make Diablo, they just bought the studio and IP that made it
Who are the original devs then?
Blizzard North, formerly Condor
Blizz HQ did a lot of design work and consulting on D2. Alan Adham was the one who suggested they go with real time combat
>Blizzard didn't make it, Blizzard NORTH did!
okay moron
That's euro truck sim
>I was born after 9/11
We know
SAUCE
I look at it like Gauntlet Legacy mixed with PSO.
As much as I like those two games though, I can't give them more than an 8/10.
Really good game to fall asleep to.
It pops up a lot in 'Ganker games of all time' lists. Hits the top 10 usually too, so that's interesting.
It's one of the only games with full blown trade economy autism
Yeah the trading in Diablo 2 is just like Team Fortress 2. Order up your item on a website and a bot fills out the request on steam. Love it.
Only homosexuals want to haggle or interact with the kind of butthole whose primary goal is to scam others
Don't play arpgs with trading, problem solved wholesale.
Why do you over exaggerate the prevalence of RMT? Sites like traderie and PoE facilitate massive amounts of free legit trading
Talking specifically about d2
It has reasonably intricate mechanics, most of which are hidden from the player
It has room for the player to play in cared ways from facerolling to using multiple hotkeys and skills
It has just enough lore to get you going without doing too much with it
It has class variety and stands in reasonable balance between multiple games
It pleases the loot autism
It has a a striking and memorable enough visual aesthetic
It came out at just the right time to take advantage of online features
There's a reason why it spawned copycats, because it manages to please multiple kinds of people at the same time
Also
The sound design is goated, from spells to potions to voice acting
The soundtrack is a masterpiece
The atmosphere is engrossing as a result, also the visuals you mentioned
It just oozes both quality and soul, and when the gameplay systems on top are as solid as they are it's not hard to understand why it's still played to this day despite the gaps in content
i played II for about 90 minutes yesterday and i hit a point where i realized it was an utter waste of time. it was literally just making numbers go up. totally stupid.
>i played II for about 90 minutes yesterday and i hit a point where i realized it was an utter waste of time. it was literally just making numbers go up. totally stupid.
diablo 2 is a hard game. It takes skill.
It gives autismos the same feeling that gatcha crap gives today. A time sink that makes them feel like they are accomplishing something, grind for the sake of grind.
Most people used to play a game, enjoy it and move on but not Diablo fans, they were the precursor modern gaming cancer.
it's because it's fun. I haven't tried D4 myself tho, and D3 was bad
fun is a buzzword. Get some real taste brainlet.
0/10
>fun is a buzzword
no it isn't moron
>game is good for some people
>they praise it
Literally that simple. If you don't find the appeal the problem is within you, not anyone else.
The original Diablo invented a sub-genre of action RPGs which are now the primary games that are brought up when discussing ARPGs. It had excellent production values, and was extremely replayable both due to the random generation of the dungeon as well as being one of the early online games to make a big splash. While there were early MMOs at the time, they requried a subscription fee, while Diablo had online play for free. It also supported LAN play and, like some other Blizzard games, allowed you to install spawn copies of the game that were essentially shareware and gave a lot of people the chance to try it out.
Diablo II took the first game and added "more." More to everything. More classes, higher production values, more stuff to do. It also greatly improved on the combat by adding a lot of dynamic skills to use. It is still primitive by modern standards, and resource generation is a huge pain in the dick because you constantly have to drink potions... which means you also need to constantly pick up and sort potions. Diablo II came out during a time when online gaming was really becoming mainstream, and hit it big.
Diablo III again improved on the combat, making everything faster, and greatly increasing QoL features by making resource generation not such a big deal, as well as allowing players to respec whenever they wanted, with every skill having four variants. It was hindered greatly by a bad launch, with a shitty auction house implimented into the game that basically short-circuited the gameplay loop. Its atmosphere and story were also dogshit by Diablo standards. The expansion removed the auction house and added Adventure Mode which made the game much better, but by then it had received serious competition from the free-to-play Path of Exile.
The first two games get so much praise and an enduring fanbase because they were pioneers for the genre and for online gaming in general.
>The original Diablo invented a sub-genre of action RPGs which are now the primary games that are brought up when discussing ARPGs. It had excellent production values, and was extremely replayable both due to the random generation of the dungeon as well as being one of the early online games to make a big splash. While there were early MMOs at the time, they requried a subscription fee, while Diablo had online play for free. It also supported LAN play and, like some other Blizzard games, allowed you to install spawn copies of the game that were essentially shareware and gave a lot of people the chance to try it out.
>Diablo II took the first game and added "more." More to everything. More classes, higher production values, more stuff to do. It also greatly improved on the combat by adding a lot of dynamic skills to use. It is still primitive by modern standards, and resource generation is a huge pain in the dick because you constantly have to drink potions... which means you also need to constantly pick up and sort potions. Diablo II came out during a time when online gaming was really becoming mainstream, and hit it big.
Why didn't Blizzard make another D2 expansion
If i had to speculate, something about the team that made d2/lod being incorporated into others. WoW was the new thing and all dev focus went there. essentially what you had left were people like Jay Wilson who were told that the next Diablo title that's made needs to tick certain boxes, chief among those being some kind of monetization (rm auction house)
the same issues that permeate Diablo 4 as well as 3 is that, at a fundamental level, they aren't games that feel like they were made by passionate nerds for other nerds. They are committee created for focus groups and intended to milk players via battlepasses and real money cosmetics
it's the same reason why modern WoW feels nothing like classic Vanilla . We're seeing a resurgence of old school games that "did it right" (diablo 2 resurrected, Classic WoW, oldschool runescape etc)
>We're seeing a resurgence of old school games that "did it right"
>remaster
>remaster
>remaster
>remaster
..........................
and yet people love them. they are better than 99% of the shit that gets released now
Classic WoW proved that people want this kind of game and prefer it over retail, regardless of how badly it was and has been handled by Blizzard. D2R was an overwhelming success and replicates the original almost perfectly, while giving it a fresh coat of paint. OS:RS receives continuous development from a seemingly passionate dev team
yeah its not ideal but it could be the start of a shift in the industry where you actually need to make enjoyable games that reflect your passion for the work you do . maybe
>jay "frick that loser" wilson
thanks for reminding me of this smug fat c**t. imagine being such a wienery homosexual that you directly disrespect the og creator of the game you're attempting to follow and copy, and then getting defensive when your target demographic don't like it
>NOOOOOOooOOOOOO000OOOOooooo don't you dare talk mean about the CREATOR don't don't DON'T Just don't.
Based Jay dabbing on has-beens.
>Based Jay dabbing on has-beens.
Bro Jay wilson got so BTFO by Chris Wilson that he 1.) got fired from Blizzard and 2.) he made a studio called Gas Giant Games lol. GGG living rent free in that has-been's mind. Jay Wilson is the worst thing to happen to Diablo.
>people are still seething about this fat frick
lmao, diablo 3 really did a number on "fans"
>>The original Diablo invented a sub-genre of action RPGs which are now the primary games that are brought up when discussing ARPGs. It had excellent production values, and was extremely replayable both due to the random generation of the dungeon as well as being one of the early online games to make a big splash. While there were early MMOs at the time, they requried a subscription fee, while Diablo had online play for free. It also supported LAN play and, like some other Blizzard games, allowed you to install spawn copies of the game that were essentially shareware and gave a lot of people the chance to try it out.
>Diablo II took the first game and added "more." More to everything. More classes, higher production values, more stuff to do. It also greatly improved on the combat by adding a lot of dynamic skills to use. It is still primitive by modern standards, and resource generation is a huge pain in the dick because you constantly have to drink potions... which means you also need to constantly pick up and sort potions. Diablo II came out during a time when online gaming was really becoming mainstream, and hit it big.
>Why didn't Blizzard make another D2 expansion
cuz you're
a giant
homosexual
Damn bro I'm not sure if this is the same person but this is pretty spot-on. The RMAH in D3 really killed my love for Blizzard/Diablo entirely. Like you said, they don't feel like games made by nerds for nerds. They just feel like profit machines geared toward the most casual players imaginable. Sad shit. D1 and D2 just hit differently too, at a time (like you said) online gaming was becoming big. Now everything needs loot boxes, MTX, battle passes. Shit sucks.
>Shit sucks
Why? If it's just cosmetic who gives a frick?
NTA, but because you know all the coolest sets will be for paypigs only. It takes all the fun out. You'll never get the awesome armor, because it's all premium.
Female Necro should be naked anyway
>You'll never get the awesome armor
I just can't find the energy to give a frick. If paypigs mean I get free and frequent gameplay updates I don't care.
The only time this shit ever crosses my mind is when people bring it up here, there's a store tab in D4 that I've accidentally clicked on a few times and that will be the extent of it.
Diablo 3 was cool, I played it like a year after it came out so the auction house fiasco didn't sour me. I liked sets, they changed the gameplay and each character had enough to mix n match sets and uniques. I might be biased though, pet classes with buff and debuff power are my favorite and while witch doctor can play on any difficulty with the right gear d2 necro eventually had to lay off pure skellies and debuffs.
>new game in series comes out
>completely organic, genuine threads suddenly start popping up all over saying the previous games in said series were always shit
I'm so fricking exhausted of this shit
Not me. I hope it gets worse.
>new game in series comes out
>Ganker wants to talk about the previous games and does it in the only way Ganker can talk about a popular thing, which is by pretending to dislike it
not unexpected
its about chilling with a beer after work and right clicking bad guys
not every game has to be a crazy story-driven epic pants-shitting online-only MMR matchmaking experience anon
just fukken chill
Take out the online.
How would you rank the diablo games?
3 > 1 > Immortal > 4 > 2
>remove online
>immortal over anything
incredibly bait posts
I mean immortal has some neat little features it's not really an objective ranking
Like the monk is better in immortal, from a gameplay perspective. But the game itself has issues just like 3 does.
Having not played 1 or 4 I'd have to rank them like so
2>Immortal>=3
I like some of what 3 and Immortal did and I think what I saw of 4 would lead me to the same conclusion but they still do fall somewhat short even with real improvements to the formula
1>2>4>3>Immortal
Any other take is brain dead.
I feel pity for those that missed this experience.
>4 over 3
interesting. explain please, I'm legit curious. I only touched the beta for 4 mind you.
I have only played the beta for 4 as well, but 200+ hours of d3 left enough of a bad taste in my mouth in retrospect that I ranked it beneath 4...I should have done 1>2>4=3>immortal...I haven't played immortal either but it is more a soulless cash grab than 4 so it goes to the bottom.
>I should have done 1>2>4=3>immortal
That I wouldn't have question one bit, funny enough.
Immortal being the button should be without question, not just because of it's phone nature, but everything else about it too. Not even 3 was ever that bad, even after the dev hell it went through, or the real money auction house.
I always loved the visuals and sfx of their heads rolling. What a great game
It was a different time, a better time.
I feel like people's opinion of 4 is going to change drastically once seasons start.
They expect you to do the renown grind every season and that's the most tedious thing I could think of for any seasonal ARPG, makes running the campaign in PoE look like a fricking blast.
>Not big on re-playing games or re-watching movies, cuz I already know what's gonna happen
>Games have to be great in gameplay or me to have a lot of nostalgia to bother to replay them
I like ARPGs, but playing Diablo 2, 3, grim dawn or torchlight (1 and 2) more than once sounds boring as shit. I've tried more than once, but got bored of it very soon after, at least if I do it on my own.
Diablo II is the only good ARPG ever made. The rest are like those shitty F2P mmos your friend kept trying to get you to play because it was "better than WoW" and they all sucked.
>game requires absolutely no skill at all
>solution to every problem is spending more time
I don't even consider it a game.
Here have a (You)
nothing important in this world revolves around you understanding or not understanding it
of course you don't because you're a homosexual moron shill and since you failed at shilling D4 your shilldar picked up on the fact people actually like D1 and D2, so here you are fumbling like the moronic shitskin you are trying to dab on them because in your malformed brain bashing past beloved titles in the franchise is somehow a fricking win for D4, or is somehow an appropriate shill strategy
>that image
>that post
most based post on Ganker
bg1/2 are much better
>these completely unrelated games are MUCH better!
and battlefield is better then all 4 of them
Only spergs like this garbage. It's just autistic button mashing the same shit over and over to make some numbers increase.
>it's just button mashing
>doing the same shit over and over
so just like literally any other video game, including shooter, fighting games and many otehrs
>movies are always the same shit, you just sit in front of a screen and watch shit
what button mashing is there in tears of the kingdom
checkmate homosexual
Don't post.
I'm gonna post. *crowd cheers*
because you got filtered
Should I get D1 or 2 if I wanted to play Diablo as a beginner?
D2
D1 is short and sweet, it's a roguelike with graphics and 10/10 atmosphere. Claustrophobic.
D2 is more of the same but with more nuances and less jankyness. Less claustrophobic.
Both are worth playing.
>started playing Torchlight 1/2 before ever getting into Diablo
I know that they're by ex devs, but man it's wild to look bck on things with knowledge about Diablo and seeing all the connections, but with added QOL (the pet)
D12
muh game
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muh game, muh game
Release order
D1 is extremely straight forward and basic, prolly harder to set up too.
D2 is a good bit expanded on the base contept, lots of new classes and other shit. A lot easier to set up at high res, esp if you go through the remake, which allows you to play old or new graphicz
Just play D1.
You'll probably have more fun with D2
frick these losers. Start with 3.
D3 is shit
No sweaty, your taste is shit.
anyone remember the potion drop dupe glitch in the original Diablo where you could drop a potion and pick up like 99 copies of it? Good times.
I remember reading about it
in many of those cases d2 was first time people gained anything of monetary value.
you just can't compete with nostalgia after being 12 and earning your first cash by sellig hr's on ebay.
add to that scamming other kids on trades and package is complete.
I liked my first run of 2, but after that it was boring and I barely managed a second run. Was able to play 3 four times before getting bored, way more options in that one.
I only liked Diablo 1 honestly
Travelling around the world in D2 diminished the game and I never cared for grinding gear or whatever shit.
dead rogue