I finished Xenoblade Chronicles last year and I thought it was good. I finished Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a few days ago and I also thought it was good. I don't understand why the series is so divisive the games are not even that different.
I finished Xenoblade Chronicles last year and I thought it was good.
Is the series even divisive outside of 4chin
It's all good
>Is the series even divisive outside of 4chin
2tards LOVE to pretends it's le epic alt right anti-woke game that reddit and lefbreasts hate but in reality they love it
>2tards LOVE to pretends it's le epic alt right anti-woke game that reddit and lefbreasts hate but in reality they love it
redditards won't ever shut up about how great XC2 is and how Nia, Pyra and Mythra are bisexuals and in love, Jin and Malos are gay, Brighid and Morag are gay, and so on
>Nia, Pyra and Mythra are bisexuals and in love.
Well, that's canon. The only idiots who deny it are the same that thought Nia was friendzoned, claiming the NG+ screen didn't mean anything.
Guess how it ended.
Jin literally went insane because his (female) lover died and carries her frozen body in their ship.
Yeah, sorry, i should correct that. Jin is bisexual, and he and Malos are in love.
He too says he isn't doing that for Lora anymore, and when Rex meets him the last time, he says he's still fighting them because of the promise he made to Malos.
if there's ever some kinda Xenoblade Warriors I need a scene where Lora comes back to life and calls out Jin's bullshit.
I want to see him completely cucked like N did, just realizing the b***h he did all this shit for wouldn't be happy at all he went full moron like he did.
>Xenoblade Warriors
kys
>realizing the b***h he did all this shit for wouldn't be happy at all he went full moron like he did.
Are you stupid? You must be one of those guys who wonders "how could Jin ally with the guy he and Lora fought against?"
Jin knows Lora wouldn't like it, obviously. He isn't doing it because he thinks she would be happy. Her death was just the trigger for him to spiral into a total nihilist mindset (even though he was already distressed by how blades are forced to live) until he concluded that the world the Architect created is so fricking shit that the best thing to do is to kill him and destroy everything.
He himself says he keeps Lora to reminds himself, but he isn't doing it for her.
Didn't ask, Jingay
I'm not really a Jin fan, to be honest. I think his ideology sucks, and he should have just killed himself if he's such a little b***h.
But that doesn't mean i'm stupid enough to not understand his motivation, unlike some guy who is still baffled that he's doing something Lora wouldn't approve.
>Jin and Malos are gay,
Jin is not gay, Malos is because of Amalthus's influence. Addam bonded with a core crystal and the big busty blonde of his dreams came out. Amalthus bonded with his and a the big bulky hunk of his dreams came out. Amalthus's homoness is imbued in Malos as blades take after their drivers. Malos is very gay for Jin but it's unrequited but both are aware of this so have a compromise.
Sure, the guy who tries to stop Rex in the world tree because of his promise to Malos, but then asks him to save Malos, definitely isn't gay for Malos.
none is a homosexual except for that anon who keeps saying they are homosexuals.
bromances are not gay, homosexual.
Jin is obviously not a homosexual.
Malos isn't either. But he does care for Jin, because, after all, Malos has always been alone, and Jin was actually the first guy who could actually relate with him. Basically, his first and only friend. Of course he would care.
What's up with people missreading XC2's characters so much, anyway?
The types of people that play jrpgs tend to have poor social skills and are unable to understand relationships beyond wanting to frick one another.
These people are unable to comprehend that you can love and care for someone without being attracted to them.
Yeah, that's true. Same for the people who obsess over the idea that Nia is bisexual and get it on with Pyra and Mythra (hell, in reddit they are probably the mojority).
There are also those who just WANTS the characters to be in a certain way. I saw people saying that after the hot spring scene (when Mythra sees something about Nia's body) they thought Nia had a dick and was actually a trans. Not an ounce of common sense in these guys.
But there are also lots of people who don't get Jin's motivation and are left wondering "why does he do this, Lora wouldn't like it", like that anon before, and stuff like that.
I think the game explains the characters pretty well, so i'm a bit surprised to see so much confusion.
>What's up with people missreading XC2's characters so much, anyway?
We can't read lips and even worse Japanese lips, so when the game has those two tell each other something with no subtitles or voices we'll just assume it's "I love you" because we're conditioned for it
>What's up with people missreading XC2's characters so much, anyway?
brainlets and brainlets who got filtered by a layer anime slop.
XB2 is pretty divisive but XB1 and XB3 are generally well liked.
XB2 is a series of highs and lows. People's reception of the game depends on their personal taste a ton. It's basically 11/10 on some parts and 5/10 on others, and how much you like it will depend on if the 5/10s dont bother you that much
westoids seething an anime game reminded them the series they got tricked into liking is in fact anime
If you think 1 and 2 are similar you will almost certainly enjoy 3.
Xenoblade 1 was great but I remember the sidequests being absolutely terrible. Apparently DE brought QoL options to make them more tolerable.
Xenoblade 2 is fine, but it some smaller issues which only became more annoying as the game progressed. Like having to manage your blades every time you want to remove an obstacle
1 actually has similar sidequests to the later games that are good, they're just buried behind the incomprehensible affinity system where you have to talk to specific npcs that teleport to different locations at different times in a set order to set the trigger for the sidequests to advance or even propagate. I was astonished to find this year's later because the game is filled with trash filler sidequests as well.
I'd say XB1 actually did npc and city better, but the sidequest system brought everything down to shit
>I remember the sidequests being absolutely terrible
2's not better in that regard. Most of the side quests are much more tedious. My problem with the first game is that character progression is tied to side quest completion. That's just criminal.
2 at least has the Blade Quests in addition to the filler regular side quests.
Well the design of X2 attracted a lot of coomers, which arent interested in the first game. Meanwhile the original fans are mad about the influx of people only discussing fapbait designs.
Both are great games though, whole series is. 1>3=X>2
I do not remember any QoL options for Xenoblade 1 in regards to sidequests, also not sure which quests you find so terrible. The most tedious quest in the series is the Ursula quest in 2.
>I do not remember any QoL options for Xenoblade 1 in regards to sidequests
You don't always have to report back to people when you finish a side quest in the definitive edition.
Hmm, I remember this was already the case in the base game for the very basic "Kill x enemies/Gather y materials" quests, I may be wrong though
It could be the case that it plays out that way. Here's a list of changes in the definitive edition. I guess the QOL changes largely stem from quest markers.
That was in the original as well. What DE added was better quest tracking by highlighting enemies and materials required on the minimap and better pathing with an actual dotted line to your objective so you could find NPCs better.
Beat me to it.
>Well the design of X2 attracted a lot of coomers, which arent interested in the first game. Meanwhile the original fans are mad about the influx of people only discussing fapbait designs.
This isn't true by the way. If you were actually around on Ganker when only Xenoblade 1 existed threads were dominated by Melia and Fiora posting.
The "divisiveness"/anger over Xenoblade 2 was forced by Smash secondaries who got into Xenoblade through Shulk's inclusion to Smash Bros. The kind of people who say "I don't like weebshit/JRPGs but..."
Couldn't you see a hint of areola in one of Sharla's outfits?
I actually was, of course there was also Melly/Robuttposting but also a lot of other stuff.
What is true though is that the 2 threads were not so focused on the blade designs at start, when it came out there was a lot of other memes and stuff, only over time it developed this way, may be Smash or people ust getting interested from the early threads
>The most tedious quest in the series is the Ursula quest in 2.
WE
>didn't stumble upon the 4 treasures quest yet
hate to break it to Ursula gays
The Ursula thing works if you just happen to roll her early and use her quests to farm other blades affinity charts in the meantime, but if you roll her in endgame it's miserable.
I got her earlyish. Took forever to finish it up. Not end game, but pretty close. Same with electric hammer girl
Can't remember anything off about Electra's quest, wasn't it just going into different locations to use the field skill?
Electra's quest just requires access to Tantal and a shit ton of electric mastery.
Thank god for Electra alone getting 5 levels of electric mastery.
>The most tedious quest in the series is the Ursula quest in 2
b***h please.
at least you have to explore for that shit. Ursula's quest is just menu grinding and no guide will help you.
I'm with him, I got Ursula at the beginning of chapter 4, for when I was done with her dammed quest the world tree was at war and not much later I got a superior four crowns generic healer.
I used her less than an hour and maxing her was like 60 hours of waiting.
I got Ursula early. As in second unique blade so I was lucky without knowing it. I hated that she had to spend so much time being unavailable
>skipping X
Understandable since you probably don't have a Wii U, but go try it on cemu right now.
All Xenoblade games are good
>Xenoblade 1 for normies who don't want to play an animu game but end up playing and animu game
>Xenoblade 2 for best story
>Xenoblade 3 for best gameplay
>3
>good
lol
Yes, problem?
>divisive
there's a few subhumans on Ganker who try to create conflict in every single nintend related games, you see that in an obvious way with zelda but it's also true with niche titles like metroid (search "hollowlikes" and marvel at the mental illness), fire emblem and yes xenoblade
these "people" should be murdered for the greater good
Is this series just popular because of the skyboxes? I'm failing to see how Xenoblade 1 is called the greatest JRPG of all time and I'm at the tail end of it.
>mmo gameplay with lack of party control, where half the characters depend on character synergy.
Dragon Age solved and to this day JRPGs will not implement it.
>worst sidequest system in a JRPG
When you have 450+ quests to go through you don't even read it anymore. 450 quests where half of them have these unmarked, time-specific affinity links you have to solve to rank up or even unlock later quests.
>story is just save the world shit
It's not the worst story but nobody cares about it.
>gems bloat your inventory with shit like losing less health from falling
>affinity grinding
>weird later half like there being an offscreen war that's allegedly going on but you can fast travel back and nothing has changed
Shulk is the one JRPG protag who isn't a b***h and the skyboxes are cool, is that it? Coming to it from Xenogears I just don't get it. I'd like to hear some positives you like about so I can understand, I'm not just trying to shit on it. I want to like it more.
XC2 does get shit on by the fans everywhere I look online and people saying they like it have to do that stupid disclaimer "this is just my opinion I'm not saying the other games are bad" for the obese hivemind to not get ripped apart.
>there are times when I think I’ve atrophied as a writer since the Xenogears era
It really is. It's the most standard JRPG in the Xenoseries, including Saga which I didn't like but at least it had that space opera shit going on in the background.
FFXII "solved" it long before it with the gambit system.
Kinda wish you had something similar in XB games, so you aren't the only one in the party playing decently.
xenoblade has too many mechanics to juggle with a gambit system, 12 is far simpler so a gambit system works (for the most part, there are still things that don't work properly like steal)
I don't think XB1 did anything award-worthy, it's more about the little things it did for me. Story didn't take too long, but also slow enough to get you immersed, there's some padding but the story kept itself focused. Cutscene didn't overwhelm gameplay. Contrast between field and battle music is cool. The way it handled jrpg god is better than most.
That said, I did drop it around central factory until DE came out.
>Dragon Age solved and to this day JRPGs will not implement it.
are you moronic? DA:O directly took its system from FF12
The reason its divisive is because
a. Ganker is half trannies from resetera, twitter, discord who b***h at sexy anime girls
b. Midwits are filtered by autoattacks, the most irrelevant part of the convolutedly complex battle system
God help me. I'm doing Xenoblade marathon, starting in Jan.
I wouldn't, but do you. I'm just now playing XBC2 after owning it for 2 years.
May God give you a whitlow in your thumb. Marathoning something as some worthless challlenge, what a homosexual. Do something useful with your time moron.
What useful things do you do with your time anon
>Do something useful with your time moron.
Do tell, senpai.
>Do something useful with your time moron.
like wasting your life seething on Ganker about other people enjoying things you don't like?
Eagerly waiting for the inevitable "h-haha w.-weebs m-mad" after you got BTFO.
Xenoblade 1 was an anti-Nintendo game
>UGH NINTENDO IS SO STUPID WHY AREN'T THEY RELEASING THIS CAN YOU SEE HOW STUPID NINTENDO IS?
Xenoblade 2 was a pro-Nintendo game
>UGH THIS GAME IS SO PROBLEMATIC HOW COULD NINTENDO MAKE THIS JASON SCHREIER HELP ME
So the same people can have polar opposite opinions of two games that are clearly incredibly similar.
There's no such thing as a bad Xenoblade. My least favourite is 3 and it's still an 8/10, with Future Redeemed being back to the usual 9/10 of the franchise. X is also pure ludo.
Xenoblade 2 has terrible character designs, an obnoxious homosexual MC, terrible English voice acting, braindead spreadsheet "gameplay" with zero depth(and even then half the game is tutorials), terrible UI, multiple garbage systems straight out of mobiletrash games (Gacha, merc missions, field skills), horrible antagonists and a lackluster story.
Xenoblade 1, incidentally, excels in all the areas 2 fails, and in all other areas as well.
I think everybody would agree that 2 plays better than 1. The divide mainly comes from disagreement over 3 being an improvement over 2.
>I think everybody would agree that 2 plays better than 1
Does it have more shit going on? Yes. Does it play better? No.
>I think everybody would agree that 2 plays better than 1.
I dunno about that, I feel like 3 and 1DE are more intuitive to play.
Yeah, 2 does a subpar job of showing why you should use all of its battle system's mechanics. The only reason I figured it out was to complete affinity charts.
The menu navigation too. I like 2, but I found it harder to complete than 1 and 3 because of this and some other flaws.
>I think everybody would agree that 2 plays better than 1
have a nice day homosexual.
>I don't understand why the series is so divisive the games are not even that different.
Its a common thing with any long running, numbered titles. See Final Fantasy, Monster Hunter, etc...
Even the director fuels the division
Tetsuya Takahashi on Xenoblade 1
>“…in terms of my own personal goal–my vision of an ideal game–I’d honestly have to say that it’s barely 5% of the way there.”
>“To be honest, there are times when I think I’ve atrophied as a writer since the Xenogears era.”
>” [I’m] grateful for the game’s positive reputation, [but I and my team] didn’t set out to make Xenoblade Chronicles into the company’s magnum opus. It was made to be an experiment”
Tetsuya Takahashi on Xenoblade 2
>"Xenoblade 2 is kind of like a culmination of all the things that I have done--and would like to have done--from my past."
>"I want to make something that people can look back on fondly one day as something that really shaped their lives. Something like what I loved as a boy, like Oliver! (by Carol Reed) and Galaxy Express 999 (by Rintaro). — That’s why I started working on this game."
>"For “Xenoblade 2”, I think a lot of people feel a sense of stiffness and lack of mobility for today’s society, and I wanted to make something that would cheer people up."
Oh wow, another sci-fi creative who doesn’t understand what worked about his own franchise.
Didn't he say the same exact shit about 3? That it was THE GAME he wanted?
>To be honest, there are times when I think I’ve atrophied as a writer
Xenoblade 3 confirmed this to be true
gears > XB2 > XB1 > XS3 > XB3 > XBX > XS1 >XS2
>gears better than anything
X=XB3>XG=XB2>XB1=XS3>XS1>XS2
Bless. I really miss XBX but also don't feel like doing yet another playthrough.
>while she dotes endlessly on the boring male lead who’s only there to act as surrogate for the horny audience.
But enough about Flora and Shulk. Fricking hypocrites, I swear.
>But enough about Flora and Shulk. Fricking hypocrites, I swear.
Notice how you cut out the part about the game shoving her breasts in your face while she does that so you could make it look like your argument had merit. Get fricked, moron.
>Notice how you cut out the part about the game shoving her breasts in your face
Because it doesn't really happen outside of maybe one of the first cutscenes in the game.
I hope they FIX this horrible chara design in the remake
>remake
Yeah you wish.
FR has arguably the best xenoblade gameplay.
Titty sword furry harem collector game.
>furry harem collector
I wish, there's like three partially furry Blades and the only hot one is Finch.
>I don't understand why the series is so divisive
>Make a game that's like a shonen anime with only a small amount of fanservice
>Make a sequel that is more akin to a harem anime for a big chunk of the runtime with a million big titty waifus
>This attracts coomers who think it's the best game, and puts off people who liked the (relatively) more grounded tone of the original. There are also numerous questionable gameplay design decisions that turned people off of 2
>Go closer to the tone of XB1 for 3
>This makes coomers scream censorship/woke/pozzed because there are no longer as many big titty waifus to beat off to
You say that, but XB1 is still the game with Flora's robutt.
Have an photogenic character with sex appeal is a world of difference from having multiple shots of the female leads breasts being center frame while she dotes endlessly on the boring male lead who’s only there to act as surrogate for the horny audience.
Yeah, that and the swimsuits are what made me say a small amount of fanservice instead of almost no fanservice
only morons do not realize both games elevate each other.
They really don’t, if anything 2 rides 1’s coattails in the very end to make it feel like the story was bigger than actually felt while you were experiencing it. And 3 effectively drags both of them down by not letting them just end to force the story to be a trilogy.
t. moron.
t. Butthurt
Because XC2 has anime coomer designs. And XC1 on the original release looks more grounded and realistic. Thats literally the only reason. Nintendo fans are mostly morons that seethe about anime taking over their library. These were the gays that kept crying everytime whenever there was a new Fire Emblem character in Smash Bros instead of Le Geno from Mario RPG
>potato faces
>grounded and realistic
I don’t agree with their sentiment, but you saw how much seething the definitive edition caused
The funniest things is that 2 doesn't really focus on the blades' sexyness that much.
Don't tell them. People who obviously didn't play the game unironically think XB2 is basically an ecchi anime
Its so funny how Nia quite litteraly show her goddamn butt in blade form and no one in universe pay attention to it. Litteraly no different to how nobody notice the speed frame in 1.
Really, I think it comes down to Saitom having drawn hentai, which seems odd to the western audience even though its just normal business in Japan.
Xenoblade 2 was kind of a mess at launch compared to how it ended up after half a year of patches. If you played it recently, you're not getting the same experience as a person who played the game at launch. You're getting a souped up version with lots of patches and rebalancing.
>Xenoblade 2 was kind of a mess at launch compared to how it ended up after half a year of patches.
I remember when you couldn't skip the whole animation for awakening a new common blade, lol
I remember when fast travel would load you into an un-rendered void. And multiple crashes and permastuck states.
That leads into a whole other avenue of discontent: the gacha system. Recruiting characters mainly through randomized drops is not everyone's cup of tea. Neither is managing 50+ characters' levels and equipment.
On a more subjective note, I thought XC1 had better art direction. I prefer aesthetic cohesion to hiring a squad of guest artists - all with completely different styles and sensibilities for character designs. XC3 didn't totally fix this either, but at least they narrowed it down to Saitom and an in-house artist.
I can't watch this cutscene without thinking of GitS at 0.11
>That leads into a whole other avenue of discontent: the gacha system. Recruiting characters mainly through randomized drops is not everyone's cup of tea. Neither is managing 50+ characters' levels and equipment.
Fair enough.
I personally liked that it would offer a randomizer to make things a little bit different.
What i hated is how much you need to grind if you actually want to get ALL the blades. They should have at least put a special shop in the post-game which you could use to actually get your missing rare blades, if you wanted.
All those patches and we still get an entire weapon type(shield hammers) that you pretty much cannot use outside of early game.
Good luck winning any fight when you don't have a 10 levels advantage.
Don't remind me.
My issue with these games is the gameplay being hot garbage, insanely simple yet the UI would make you believe it needs a genius to understand. Literally just press your skills on cooldown lol.
>People don't like the game with the gacha mechanic
Can't imagine why
The only people who hate XB2 are troons and bignoses who hate the idea of a white male lead getting all the white big tiddy anime b***hes
His strong independent single black mother would be so proud.
Meanwhile Xenoblade 3 was about talking out the lizardmen that control the world by fricking over their system through having children.
>Meanwhile Xenoblade 3 was about talking out the lizardmen that control the world by fricking over their system through having children.
But the party transform into lizardmen too?
It was a statement about how you need to frick over the system by using it's own bullshit against it.
I wouldn't except a low IQ sheep like you to understand
But the red ranger use a sword that cut down the system? Is it because he is red (communist)?
>Homura
>White
2 in particular gets a lot of hate because it has a c**ty cultist fanbase that openly shit on modern JRPGs and say that Xenoblade 2 is the only modern JRPG with soul. These same 2onlies attacked 3 for "giving into the west" and making it another "bad JRPG". It doesn't help that they flipflop their opinions, for the longest time the narrative that XC2 was a harem anime was considered something only shitposters believe, and then when that infamous photo from XC3 dropped, suddenly XC2 WAS a harem game, and that was why it was so good
This is the big shitter, right here. 2gays don’t actually stand for anything or believe anything deeply about their game, they just wanna be #1 and then jerk off together, and that’s what makes them so insufferable. I don’t like 3, but I’ll at least acknowledge that the people who like it seem to be consistent about why they like it.
Good for him. I played it multiple times and it didn't work, though I had fun for a while.
1 > 2 in overall quality
for me it's melia
We can all agree Joran is the shittiest xenoblade villain ever, right?
Him and D too.
Him being so pathetic at least makes him funny.
No, that still goes to either Dirk or Z. The childhood friend that becomes a villain is a fine trope, and I think Joran's actions are pretty understandable. When not Moebius he had a huge inferiority complex (rightfully so, he is a pretty bad fighter) and it can result in a lot of bottled up emotions, so I think it's pretty fitting that his gimmick as Moebius is to create soulless puppets of people that can't help but spill the beans on whatever they're thinking. What drags down Joran is how much the Keves crew harps on about him, and that's a fault of the world giving them no other backstory.
>aspiring artist reborn over and over as a fatso in a world where war is everything
I think he is fine, but the problem is his struggle overlaps with other characters. Shania has basically the same conflict, but she isn't tied to the cycle.
I did like how it is implied that all of his reincarnations would always die on his first term.
He's cute
I like him, he reminds me of Hellmaster when he's introduced and I like pathetic villains. All the fights with DJ are kino too. If I had to pick a worst villain, it's probably Dickson.
How could you dislike Dickson of the trinity!?
>How could you dislike Dickson of the trinity!?
He prefers the trinity of Dicks
When your standards are low enough, everything is good.
1, X, and 2 are great. 3 is the shitty one.
>2 great
>3 shitty
epic contrarian take! you'll get so many updoots!
Both are shit. Takahashi was an idiot for trying to force 1’s self-contained story into being a springboard for Perfect Works autism. Xenoblade is just the further proof that the self-contained JRPG stories of the 90s that didn’t need a massive interconnected mega-narrative and a dozen side-story entries were the way to do it. Shit just kills all the intrigue and magic and makes it feel like modern Hollywood slop that’s afraid to step outside of it’s comfort zone and clings too hard to legacy ideas.
But Perfect Works is a 90s JRPG story.
I’m talking about ones that actually carried themselves and came out. Not the kind of shit that turned FF7 into a shambling corpse.
>Xenogears episode 5, to be continued
Hot take, not talking about Xenogears. If your RPG game needs to become a visual novel halfway through because you don’t have the time to develop it as a game then it also has storytelling issues.
I loved 1 and 3 and x. 2 is one of the worst rpgs I've ever played on almost every level. What an absolute travesty of a game.
filtered
I bought XBC2 two years ago and I still haven't finished it. The combat doesn't bother me that much. The only times it does is when someone gets knocked over a ledge or when a cutscene where I lose plays after winning the battle.
Haven't played the others but I heard XBC2 is very lax with letting the player explore the world compared to the other entries
Nia hips
It's about the same as the other games.
Once you get to a new area you can generally explore ~80-90% of it, with the remaining being story-important areas you visit when actually progressing the plot.
>Tanned kot is also the conservative kot
????
what are they saying?
Is there a bigger forced mary sue in video games than Rex?
Me impregnating NIa
Are you implying that you actively cuck shonen fuccbois and that makes you a Mary Sue?
Yes. I'm Rex btw
you do not know what a mary sue is, Black personhomosexual.
The gameplay is very similar (Large explorable worlds, MMO-like combat, lots of side-questing and crafting, character micromanagement), but the tone varies wildly between games, 1 is a grand shonen adventure with high stakes but relatively limited character development (Outside of Melia), 2 is a harem moefest that is literally half filler full of "baka hentai!" humor, 3 is a serious war drama that hyperfocuses on trauma and death, X is a westernized sci-fi space opera, it's understandable that the vast genre variation puts off some people, but if you like 1 and 2 fine then it is very likely you will enjoy X and 3 all the same.