>be me
>reluctantly in a D&D 5e group (they won't play anything else and I hate 5e, but they're my friends so I'll endure it)
>kitchen sink fantasy campaign, no guns or late-medieval tech
>party consists of a weird androgynous motherfricker obsessed with magic, eldritch blast, and floating, still can't make heads or tails of him; a masked adrogynous bladesinger wizard, a druid minotaur who is the babysitter of the group and definitively good, and me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
>get through the early game with some trouble, mostly just a bunch of random bullshit, get a famous ship up and running and get landed for our trouble with a keep and a fief each
>run my village benevolently because my character has a soft spot for the downtrodden, having been a rogue with the cliche tragic backstory (two dead families) and all
>end up planning this whole elaborate scenario with a character from my backstory
>some random guard captain of her home city who was directly responsible for the death of her second family, who were executed for stealing
>she grows up recognizing how corrupt everything about the kingdom's legal system is to begin with and decides to vow revenge on him to make an example and hopefully one day make things better
>also she became an assassin to pay the bills, party knows this in and out of character
>her whole backstory was just up for everyone to see, wasn't even that long, maybe a page or two
>a few sessions after this is planned with enthusiasm from the DM and I got the okay to go ahead and that it would be fun and possible to get away with, we get a sudden newcomer
>a lawful neutral orc paladin with a drinking problem
>notbad.gif
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>first session with him, was in a bad mood for external reasons, didn't interact with the events of the game much
>finally roll up a random encounter that I like and can engage with
>DM straight up tells everyone that I will like this one
>a bunch of skeletons on skeleton horses, totally passive
>I fricking love skeletons, everyone knows this
>go up to talk to them, they obviously can't speak because they're skeletons, but they clearly understand me
>suddenly, new guy comes barging out of the wagon, proclaims his racism for undead, and proceeds to smite the everloving shit out of all of them before I can get a word in edgewise
>just leave him to his fate because frick it, if he's going to ruin the one good thing I had going today I'm going to let him face the consequences of his actions
>gets off scott free, survives with plenty of hit points, no trouble because skeletons don't have rights I guess
>fast forward to next session
>put my plan into action
>know that paladin and minotaur will frick this up, so neither are invited to the decoy feast
>take out all the stops for this, but completely forget that I should have leveled up
>get halfway through the feast
>everything going just as planned
>paladin player asks DM to roll to have overheard that I was throwing a feast and barge in uninvited
>DM actually fricking lets him, probably not thinking he'll succeed
>he rolls a nat fricking 20
>by law of the D&D gods, he gets to bullshit his way into my plan unannounced
>be forced to either abandon this thing I've set up for weeks now due to him being an ass or inevitably get his jovial fricking hammer on mine
>frick it we ball
(cont.)
>everyone has finished eating and drinking the expensive food and wine I procured for them
>stand up, approach the guard captain from my backstory who was invited specifically to be killed
>strike up some small talk which leads to me announcing to the entire room what he did and why he deserves to be punished in my eyes
>proceed to tell everyone in the room that the food they just ate was poisoned with midnight tears and that I have the antidote
>this is a lie, anyone who knows how expensive the poison is and my wealth could have figured out that I could have never purchased enough of it for an entire room of people, also fully intend to announce this after the plan had succeeded
>tell them that if the captain signs this paper that surrenders his position on the guard, I will distribute the antidote to everyone
>party gets all up in arms about this, despite me having told the ones that were invited prior that they would not be harmed
>they do, in fact, know that I am an assassin by trade both in and out of character
>slowly start to realize that I should not have trusted my party if I wanted to succeed in this
>everyone attempts to prevent me from escape despite the fact that I am not trying to escape, and just want this butthole to sign a piece of paper
>they repeatedly tell him not to do it
>not even lying about the paper, it's just a form to sign over his job position to me, and was written specifically by an in-universe lawyer so that it is binding as signed and follows the laws of the realm as close as possible to exploit a loophole without being technically in the wrong
>he technically won't be of a high status after signing it, so killing him will have no consequences if argued well to the authorities
>this was all told to them out of character
>guy finally decides to sign
>smug sense of satisfaction
>paladin tries to destroy the paper before he does
(cont.)
>pull out duplicate, because of course I have one, did you think I came unprepared?
>he signs it
>hand him the antidote, tell the servers to bring it out, they're all in on it
>jk lol the antidote was actually the poison
>lied about everything
>dude just chugs a bottle of arsenic
>starts dying
>cackle and gloat as I finally get the one damn thing I wanted from this game so far
>mfw paladin uses cure disease to cure arsenic poisoning
>mfw he and another party member decide to pvp me over some random no-name NPC
>know I could get out if I tried but just mentally exhausted at that point and surrender
>mfw entire session breaks down and group considers starting a new campaign over it
>mfw only two people are against retconning the whole event out of 6 plus the DM but still get what they want
>mfw I get sentenced to execution, these buttholes know damn well that if this character dies I don't have a backup and will probably just leave the campaign, still want it to happen
>mfw still won't even attempt to rescue me except for like two of them
>mfw when the minotaur is the one who saves me by nat 20ing a diplomacy check on the fricking king
>literally nothing accomplished except taking away all of the things I didn't want anyways, but now do not trust any of my party members
>this is all in a game where I was told major characters would only die if it was an important development, rezzing is banned, and that we all agreed to give each other our big moments
>to add insult to injury, DM admits that I could have gotten away with it if they hadn't interfered
I don't even know what to make of this situation anymore. I know in hindsight I was underprepared and overzealous, but that opposition also just felt gratuitous to me. Are paladins just all buttholes? Do they bring out the butthole in you? Is this one guy just being a dick? Am I being a dick? Is this a win, a loss, or neither? I don't know, and that pisses me off. Shit I don't even know why I'm posting this.
You basically cannot have a Paladin and an Assassin in the same group without it coming to pvp where one of the players dies. The other players will usually back the paladin, unless theyre all amoral mercenaries.
Your GM should never have approved whichever of you built their character second, and sjould have ensured you guys had players that could finction in tge same party.
Your GM is the butthole.
This. AD&D got it right by just flatout saying a Paladin wouldn't adventure with any chaotic character for more than a session, and wouldn't associate with an assassin at all.
AD&D and the like believed, wrongly, that all people playing the game would be mature adults able to handle things like restrictions. The more they "opened up" the restrictions, the more fricking bonkers shit became.
They were also making a game for people who would have similar touchstones for fantasy in Howard, Tolkien, Vance, Anderson etc and understand what these restrictions were trying to emulate and where they were coming from, instead of moronic secondaries raised on fantasy derivative of D&D itself. The bad part is that people are so used to D&D having absolutely no sense of structure or identity that trying to reimpose those restrictions is just met with tantrums because players are so used to being able to go to any table with whatever moronic character concept they've cooked up with disregard for any kind of implied setting or sense of place.
And with the origins of D&D too, the idea was your character was existing in a simulated world so you weren't just in the one group, you WERE an adventurer, between your last session you could have gone on several other adventures.
> these buttholes know damn well that if this character dies I don't have a backup and will probably just leave the campaign, still want it to happen
I wonder why.
> we all agreed to give each other our big moments
Hopefully you were all wearing tutus at the table for that game
> all of this done behind party's back
> DM is a fricking homosexual and was doing this so he could see party fighting and drama
this is the excuse to get us to believe this happened.
>apologize to everyone and promise to do better
>turn a new leaf and use your abilities for good
>show everyone you're a changed man
>secretly plot to have them all killed one way or another
It's a mixture of that one guy being a dick about it, you clearly not reading the table on how they want to handle things and Paladin being a class full of features that generate a smug better than you energy as a class in 5th edition.
Considering the situation you should have brow beaten him after he beat up all the skeletons, this new guy clearly thinks his shit doesn't smell, he's the new hot stuff and all the other buzz words show him his place in the pecking order instead of letting him tread over you, this would have stopped all the other bullshit.
All other reasons for it sucking and 'nat 20's overriding sense, a deed signed under duress is easy to defend as non-binding even by the middle ages standards.
Can't tell who's the biggest homosexual, tho.
, new guy comes barging out of the wagon, proclaims his racism for undead, and proceeds to smite the everloving shit out of all of them before I can get a word in edgewise
Holy based. Total undead destruction.
>LN
>Paladin
Player should be castrated to avoid passing on defective genes and the GM should be flogged for allowing it. That aside, inviting party members to this was a bad idea and you really should have handled this plan solo with the GM. There was no reason for the party to be involved with your Keikaku so realistically they should have been somewhere else.
I do recommend just leaving though. A bad game with dipshits is not worth staying for. I’ve personally dealt with lawful stupid paladins in a Eberron game of all things where he attacked a necromancer I was negotiating with despite him being from the necromancer country and not breaking any laws. We ended up in a pointless fight because he was a brainlet, and didn’t even get a reward for the quest we had just done.
why do so many artists forget to draw fluff and the right snout shape on their fox girls?
why do you rape dogs?
Why would I rape anthro women when they are not even real?
It's a fact that furgays are very likely to molest their pets.
And this relates to me how?
You are an ontologically evil zoophile
Doesnt change the fact that this doesnt relate to me at all. And no, you won't gaslight me into defending zoophilia
Statistically it's very likely you molested the family pet growing up.
>Furry acting like some kind of puritan
It's incredible how furgays naturally gravitate towards being as obnoxious as humanly possible
newbie
TLDR
Lawful Stupid Paladin cucked the rogue out of his backstory goal.
>they won't play anything else and I hate 5e, but they're my friends so I'll endure
"No game" is better than "bad game". Develop some standards.
>"No game" is better than "bad game". Develop some standards.
He's a furry, any game he's in will he a shit game
Oh right.
Well, containment game working as intended.
You use terms without even knowing what they mean. Lurk more.
>"No game" is better than "bad game".
This can stand to be repeated more often.
Or you could do what I do and tailor your game to the way you enjoy, so you neither have "bad game" nor "no game".
Tailoring the game so you enjoy it, especially at the point of what game's Edition the game is in; is the privilege of a GM, no amount of fiddling with your character is going to make a system you hate fun.
He's so close to the answer but still doesn't get it.
>stealth furry thread
>copy pasted op
have a nice day furspammer
Your style of gameplay is quite different from mine. I would have never orchestrated such a plan without getting the entire group in on it.
All the same, I can sympathize with being the odd one out in a group. I frequently find myself in such a position.
I'm so glad none of my players go for "le tragic backstory" edgelord starter background. It let's us focus on what's actually heppening in the campaign and not get sidetracked by cringy baggage like all you've described.
To be perfectly honest, OP, I think I would find playing with any single person from the group you described incredibly draining. Especially you. As a matter of fact, I know I would, because I've slogged through games in disfunctional, tone-deaf groups of randos like this and it was awful.
>who's the dick?
You're all dicks. But your DM is a pussy who can't decide what kind of experience he wants his players to have so they're having the most shitty experience possible. But from what I've seen in this story alone, you all deserve it.
>You're all dicks. But your DM is a pussy
I'd say it's a good match then.
One of the most fun things I have in one campaign is that my character there had mostly a decent life - son of lower nobility in the big capital city of the setting with both pretty cool parents still alive. I did that because I knew what happen and now my guy is one of two characters in the party without a tragic (but still interesting) backstory whose parents are still around and the only one who doesn't come from some obscure outskirts kinda place. So now where does the party hang out for the most part when not out adventuring? In his big house in the capital city. That said, I'm not playing with randos so everyone is still cool and not too over-the-top with playing out the more edgy parts of their characters.
Paladin b***hing thread? Time for mine.
>village/country building game
>be me, Bard who dreams of starting a city and becoming a nobleman
>be not me, Ranger looking for a new settlement after his corrupt lord robbed him of his shit for hunting in improper territory, a Fighter who's just... there? never really gave backstory. and Conquest Paladin
>Conquest Paladin has some edgelord backstory where he was a slave in some foreign nation, tried to rebel, had his entire army killed or something, left his lands to slaughter the entire nation with an army
>this is something he didn't share before starting the game
>start the game, a town gets ransacked by goblins, we gather the survivors, this is how the village building game begins
>Lawful Good Paladin NPC who is a bit suspicious of us, but I talk to her and get her to ease up and trust us
>go to nearby town, win sympathy with the townsfolk, get them to give us supplies
>everything going cool, we're building up the village
>go to town again to recruit more NPCs
>Conquest Paldin decides to go to a different town
>he decides to make a contract with some fricking evil church
>evil church wants slaves, Lawful Good Paladin NPC perfect for this
>also wants our village to build a statue of their god and for us to submit to them
>in turn they will provide some troops for Conquest Paladin to do his shit
>all of this done behind party's back, not openly
>yes DM is a fricking homosexual and was doing this so he could see party fighting and drama
cont
>Conquest Paladin does his thing and enslaves our NPC Paladin (characters have no IC knowledge of this, just know NPC disappeared)
>smugly reveals to us OOC everything that just happened
>"dude, seriously? don't you think this is a dick move?"
>"it's what my character would do"
>feel annoyed, but frick it, let's try it
>evil church tasks us with exploring a cave and uncovering some sword
>go to cave and during a fight with lesser Beholder or whatever Conquest Paladin actually gets vaporized
>thank fricking god, grateful I stuck around, now campaign can be somewhat salvaged
>get the sword which is some ridiculous +3 greatsword and has the ability to fricking dominate a dozen NPCs
>was tailor-made for Conquest Paladin
>homosexual DM, why are you doing this?
>whatever, get back to village, Conquest Paladin brings in new Rogue
>village is now holding elections for new mayor
>my character who's been doing most of the negotiations, bringing in supplies, and interacting NPCs is obvious choice
>some other NPCs contenting as rival mayors
>Rogue immediately says let's poison some of them and slander them
>tell him no, just have a fair election and on the minor chance my char loses, we can just play
>Rogue proceeds to slander my character after this, saying I was planning to murder whoever get elected, manipulate everyone, go to war
>"bro are you fricking serious?"
>"it's what my character would do and he thinks your character is ineffective as a leader"
cont
>party now has a chat about how much of a mess this is
>tell Paladin/Rogue it was moronic for him to make his character in a party of mostly good-aligned characters
>Paladin/Rogue does on a long rant justifying his actions
>DM says he can start a new campaign, but says wait it out for one more session
>fine
>next session comes
>evil church leader comes to village
>demands to be let in
>our characters who have no IC knowledge of this guy tells him to stop being rude, but lets him in
>"alright you guys will now worship us, build a statue of our god, and come under my command because Conquest Paladin agreed to this"
>"wtf is this? we never agreed to this. Conquest Paladin is dead, sorry, please get out of our village"
>"nope lol"
>proceeds to revive Conquest Paladin's char as an NPC
>my char rallies the villagers to drive evil church man and Conquest Paladin
>Rogue is of course saying we should join up with the church, shameless fricking homosexual
>"okay Bard, thing is, this is a level 20 Cleric and you're just gonna die"
>are you fricking serious homie
>"DM, I have no idea what made you think this stupid shit was a good idea and what makes you think I would want to continue the game after this shit. Like seriously, what the frick was going through your mind?"
>"Well, I just wanted a game with drama and players dealing with the intricacies of diplomacy because I study Political Science and I'm invested in things like this!"
>mfw
>leave game
homosexual Paladin, homosexual DM. Hope that game turned to a miserable pile of ashes.
>tell Paladin/Rogue it was moronic for him to make his character in a party of mostly good-aligned characters
Game doomed from the start because homosexual Gm can’t say no to a character .
“What my character would do” is the reddest flag possible and any player that utters those words should be euthanized. The best roleplay comes from doing what you would do in that situation. It’s why I gave up playing anyone evil years ago.
>the best roleplay is the literal opposite of what it actually means
Allow me to clarify something for you.
"It's what my character would do." Is not bad roleplay. Your character is just shit. What your character would do is garbage, because it's a bad character. You are a bad writer, you are a bad RPer. And you lean on the fact "Well this is what my character would do." to excuse being fricking garbage.
>writer this, RPer that
So, what about the people who are there to play a game?
Don't use the excuse "WELL IT'S WHAT MY CHARACTER WOULD DO" when everyone is looking at them like a fricking psychopath.
>be at table for a game
Anon, you have to roleplay.
>roleplay because that's a requirement, whatever
Anon, you aren't doing what I want.
>you said you wanted roleplay between gameplay so I'm roleplaying
It's bad writing to use that excuse.
>but I'm here for a game
DON'T SAY IT'S WHAT YOUR CHARACTER WOULD DO WHEN I TOLD YOU TO ROLEPLAY IT'S BAD WRITING DON'T YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD WRITER AND ROLEPLAYER
>no, I want to play a game
Dodging the point doesn't make you correct, in other words.
>roleplay because that's a requirement, whatever
It would be very counterintuitive to not role play in a Role Playing Game.
By playing a game you are already roleplaying (imitating the character and behavior of someone who isn't yourself).
But for some reason, when people say roleplaying, they mean a specific form of improv theater and get mad when their specific line for what that is isn't met.
"It is a roleplaying game, but your form of roleplaying isn't enough" doesn't address the game itself, yet it bogs the game down.
Continuing to dodge the point doesn't make you correct.
>Sprinting like a homosexual carrying the goal post as soon as you're called on it
If you can't imagine a situation where a character develops over the course of the game to the point where they do something against the interests of other party members despite having started off the game fully in line with them then you are a brainlet.
That absolutely can happen, except when that does happen, if what you laid out is true "The character develops over the course of the game" Then no one will be asking you "What the frick?" They'll understand because they saw it. The fact the players are shocked and confused to why you're a fricking homosexual is proof that you're shit writer a shit rper and a fricking homosexual. Because I've been in situations where something happened from one PC against the party, and you know what happened? No one had to go "What the frick, dude?" because they fricking knew the character, and his changes and his development, so it made sense, it was logical.
You are trying to justify being an unrepentantly shit homosexual. Also not the person you were originally arguing with, so I'm not moving the goalposts. You're just a moronic homosexual.
>N-n-no, people'll just accept it if it aligns with who the character is natu-
Most often people say 'What the frick' because they expected you to lie back and take the dick instead of reacting logically to the inane homosexualry they're engaging in.
Alright, I'll be fair to you. Not most the time;
50% of the time.
50% of all 'Look, this is what my character would do given the situation we're in' is reacting to other peoples transgressive actions/being homosexuals.
The other 50% is, to your credit, the people doing transgressing who realize immediately after they lack the social capital to follow through on being a frickhead and start looking for excuses.
I'm sorry you're too much of a wrangled tard to ever imagine anyone going 'No, frick off, you're not walking all over me, my character would rather die than put up with your shit'
But it happens, I know because I've been the one on the aggressing side of a situation at least once and it's only after the other player upped the ante to 'My character has a claymore strapped to him and he's willing to Ackbar to frick you over because you're being a shithead' that I realized how tunnel vision'd I'd gotten over the situation
Now who's moving the goalpost, first it was "Durr that's just a sign of good character" now it's "PEOPLE ONLY QUESTION IT BECAUSE THEY EXPECT YOU TO BOW DOWN FOR THEM!"
No, homosexual, people dont expect you to bow down for them, they expect you to not be a god damned tard, which you clearly fail at and have created the visage around yourself that actually you're just a strong alpha male and you wont be intimidated by these beta cucks who can't grasp how strong and powerful your character is.
No. You're a homosexual loser, and you will always be a homosexual loser. Your character is shit and so are you.
Stop projecting before I borrow your neanderthal skull so I can run Casablanca on the surface of the moon you homosexual.
Frick it, I'm going to go all in: Having a character who is distinct enough and that you know well enough that you can say 'That is what they'd do' is the foundation of roleplaying, it means you've created someone who isn't just You-With-A-Funny-Wig-On.
'It's what the character would do' is as legitimate as a DM going 'That's how this world works in setting', both are completely legit arguments for why consequences should exist.
The fact you can't separate yourself from your character enough to even play an evil character is evidence you're a shit player and I'm glad our positions are different enough that I'll never have to deal with your gay bullshit at my table.
Oh as for
>Hurr durr, you think you're an alpha
Didn't even engage with what was being said enough to read the spoiler, because it's quite the opposite.
So drink HIV positive cum until you drown in it, as is your natural inclination. Fricking shithead.
I love how much of a failure moron you are. Because you are again, equating "I can play a character who isn't me" to "I can play a good character who is presented with understandable writing that means the actions taken are logical and coherent." Characters like that, played well, do not NEED to clarify "WELL I'M JUST PLAYING MY CHARACTER" because everyone fricking knows it already. The fact you repeatedly have to come to situations where you do is the sing of what a fricking failure you are.
You are a failure, you're a loser, a bad writer, a bad player. Your characters are shit, not because they don't gel with your group or because they aren't consistent, but because you write like garbage, you're a brain dead homosexual who broke his brain choking himself out in the closet with his belt. You're a fricking failure in any and all systems, you cannot write for shit, and your failure to write is paramount. The fact you take offfense at all is proof that you are exactly what is described. Because here's the kicker, I have played with and played as, characters who have gone against the party, even in shocking ways, even to the point of hostile confrontation IN CHARACTER and not a single fricking time did a single person at the table look at any of the others like they'd just fricked a goat in the eyehole, and no once did a pants shiting moron have to go "HURR DURR IS WHAT CHARACTER DO" because everyone knew that already without it needing to be said, because they were played well, because it as consistent. I know this is a hard concept for you, but it's what would have happened if your mother came home with the same man every night.
>Nuuuuu, you don't understand, no one ever questions something if characters are consiste-
The fact you even pretend to believe this to try and win an argument is proof you've never had a shred of self respect in your entire life.
And know what? You might think 'Ohoh, but you're being a loser, ree, because I actually do believe it! Checkmate atheist!'
No.
You don't understand.
I'm assuming you're being a cynical homosexual becausee it's the most charitable interpretation of your position.
>U-ur a failu-
I don't respect you enough for any claim you make to bother me in the slightest, fill the rest of the thread like Yosemite Sam for all it matters, you gnat.
Yup, you're proving exactly how unbothered you are by how you keep responding. I will not be paying rent and you're still a fricking loser. You play with losers, you are a loser.
That's the thing. By getting to the point where you have to justify your actions with "It's what my character would do", it means that the other players are confused and surprised by your actions to the degree that you clearly haven't been roleplaying your character properly.
Furthermore, it's also just a poor excuse. Yes, a character might be a sadistic backstabbing butthole, but the player is the one who decided to create a sadistic backstabbing butthole, and so is still the one at fault.
If you're that dedicated to roleplay, then it's on you to come up with a character that will actually fit into a part of adventurers and won't simply be left for dead at the first opportunity because nobody wants to be around them.
Look at it this way:
Imagine that you hear about this super cool miracle game about exploring dungeons and fighting dragons.
Your imagination is the limit, because you can work with the dungeon master to decide how your cool tactic or daring feat of might or sick spell works outside of the box, because it runs off understanding English (or the group's predominant language), common sense, consistent worldbuilding, and rule of cool, and not autistic code that shits itself with a mistyped 0.
Everyone loves this game. It is the greatest game ever. You want a group for this game.
You sit at the table, with all these expectations from marketing, advertising, word of mouth, and epic greentexts where everyone is having fun with this game where you imitate the character and behavior of someone who isn't yourself.
Then sir dungeon master expects you to do things completely unrelated to the advertising, marketing, word of mouth, etc. Things that aren't even covered at all, or with very vague afterthoughts. Dungeon master wants you to do all these things unrelated to the game.
So how do you reasonably expect someone who wants to play the game to be invested in prominent elements they didn't sign up for?
Assume in good faith that the character isn't a backstabber or sadistic, but wants to attain enough power to survive the game's challenges, and often results in the non-game aspects going in a direction the people who aren't there for a game don't want.
Also keep in mind that "find another group lul" is not an answer, because it doesn't actually address the points of the argument.
A "conquest paladin" isn't a real paladin, that's just moronic 5e shit. Paladins are Lawful Good.
Paladins can be whatever they like. Why wouldn't evil gods have paladins when they are such useful, powerful pawns to good deities?, You are tripping if you think evil gods won't try and have some of that. An Oath of Devotion paladin could be evil from being corrupted by said deity or having always held said devotion to a dark god.
Wrong, evil gods have antipaladins and even then an argument can be made that they shouldn't (the forces of evil are more numerous but the forces of good are of higher quality, therefore only good gets such champions).
Nice headcanon homosexual.
>evil gods have antipaladins
Frick you and your semantics you homosexual, do you really think evil goddamn gods are gonna be like "duuuuh my forces should be more numerous and of worse quality, getting strong pawns that can target and crush my foes is totally not worth it, I'm literally so moronic that I think my shit's chocolate 'cause it's brown"?, go suck hill giant dick you mong.
>inventing headcannon
>extremely rigid black and white thinking
Sorry I'm not arguing this with an unironic autistic.
tbh for all of pathfinder’s homosexualry 2e making the class champion with Paladin being the LG variant was a good call
>me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
I think the roots of the problem is yourself.
>5e whiners are all socially inept furtroons with pregnancy fetishes
>and me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
Yeah frick that
>me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
How could you post this without a single shred of irony?
Yeah I'd use her body as an incubator too if you know what I mean.
This is bait you homosexuals
>furshit & freakshit & androgynous
>Multiple natty 20
>speshul class combinations
>shit/tyrant gm
None of these have happened. A homosexual is larping as a gamer to bait replies. Just another day in 4cucks.
> they continued reading after OP introduced his furshit character.
You can do an assassin and a Paladin in the same party, you just need professionals who have standards. Right now I'm in a campaign where there's a paladin and an assassin, but the Assassin does things above the board and is open with when they take a contract and the most drama we've ever gotten was The Pale Moonlight.
It's almost like if the players are adult and understand each others characters they can work despite alignment and job differences
Legal assassin's have been a trope for a while. Discworld and morrowind just to name 2
Eh, not quite the same thing, it is extra-legal since ya know they're still assassins, but the balance in the party is struck with: The Paladin doesn't preach and the Assassin doesn't flaunt. The Assassin isn't looking for pats on the head and good boy points for their jobs and they aren't looking to be lectured on the way they're living their life. The Paladin doesn't lecture them an the Assassin doesn't take any job or action that would be flagrantly against the party, they don't trick them into being involved in their hits.
There has been talks of in future parts of the session transitioning the Assassin into a hitman for the Paladin's church, but right now because they are adults, they're content to let things play out.
In real life too.
>It's almost like if the players are adult and understand each others characters they can work despite alignment and job differences
This, how come every greentext that gets posted reads like a bunch of 14 year olds quarreling?
Yeah. I was in a game with a fiend pact warlock cannibal, and an oath of vengeance paladin, and we worked it out as the paladin was the warlock's tard wrangler. They ended up saving each other's lives, and becoming close friends who retired together at the end of the adventure. The warlock ate 2 people.
Honestly not entirely unlike the Paladin/Assassin here. And it's not that there isn't conflict, but it's that very comfortable position of being a chaotic evil character for example.
"I do what I want and I don't care who I hurt." Okay but does that include thinking that you won't face repercussions for it? Because I always felt part of being evil was trying to maintain a level of intelligence. And usually making enemies of the people who can otherwise help you is typically a bad decision.
As an example, though the Assassin in this case is Lawful Evil, the group were infiltrating a bandit camp and moving to take out the leader. The Paladin came up with the plan to cause chaos and essentially, give everyone else a chance to surrender. The Assassin asked why they'd give up their tactical advantage and the Paladin went "Because we're getting paid for every one of them we can convince to go back to the village, we aren't being paid for anyone's head but the leader of the bandits."
Immediate understanding, no trying to lecture "IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO" Assassin don't care, no trying to convince them to not do sneaky stabby things, as while the Paladin was causing the distraction the Assassin was using that to poison the wine of the bandit leader they were there to kill. They didn't tell the Paladin they were going to do that, and the Paladin didn't ask if they were going to.
Both players have social intelligence and in turn the character intelligence that they aren't talking to each other from the position of stereotypes, but with an understanding of what the other is appealing to. I mentioned the Pale Moonlight example. Because it did happen, the Paladin asked the Assassin for help in defeating an enemy and while he never asked them to kill the target, when the plan was on the brink of failure the Assassin did make the kill occur. The Paladin was mad and the assassin shot back that they KNEW they'd make that decision if push came to shove. That's why the Paladin even brought it up to them in the first place, because even if the Paladin didn't ask, didn't order it, they knew deep down the job would be followed through with, if not through trickery and deception than with death.
For the Paladin that was a hard thing to swallow, because yes while they never asked the Assassin to kill anyone, they knew that they were devoted to seeing the task fulfilled to the end. And for them they did have to contact their deity and wrestle with "Did I take duplicitous and underhanded methods to gain what I wanted, even if for the right reasons?"
Almost like they were characters who had thoughts and feelings and thus while they acted within character at no point did it force them into bloodshed, because they saw the value in one another, and respected what the other was bringing to the group.
Again there's implications that the Paladin is slowly dragging the assassin to the light and a "Knife to cut the darkness" while also a chance that the Paladin might compromise on their morals if such a situation ever calls for it again. In this situation, if not for the actions of the assassin the villain of the moment would have gotten away with a ritual that could be used to torture a soul and use that suffering as a magical nuke targeted on someone connected to the tortured soul Which I'm 90% sure was stolen from BOF4)
>me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
Stopped reading right here, I'm gonna assume you deserved whatever you're b***hing about in the rest of the post for being the biggest homosexual alive, also, paladins are based
>be me
Hello!
>reluctantly in a D&D 5e group (they won't play anything else and I hate 5e, but they're my friends so I'll endure it)
Oh, so a combination of dependency disorder, moronation, and Stockholm syndrome, got it.
You do know you can be friends with people and not participate in everything they do, right? If they're your friends, they'll respect your boundaries.
>the rest
Completely avoidable when you grow a spine and talk to your "friends" about sometimes doing something other than D&D when you guys hang out.
I don't know if you've realized this, but the problems that come from sitting with morons running D&D are best avoided by not participating in D&D.
Then, on the days they decide to run it, you can just do something else on your own time, because friends can still be friends while doing other things.
>lawful neutral orc paladin with a drinking problem
go frick yourself, paladins are only human and lawful good and can only be male and cannot be alcoholics.
Orcs are minor devils and you are moron.
Anon he said it was 5e. An orc can be an alcoholic chaotic evil woman paladin whenever SHE wants to be. ORC RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
>"rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator"
>TWO dead families in backstory
>acting like you're too good for 5e
jesus christ the absolute fricking state of it
>me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
Don't act like your shit doesn't smell homosexual.
>kitsune assasin rogue shadow sorceror
>incubating an ancient demigod thats posessing her
I dunno chief I think the fricking Paladin owned you as he should have.
I carry a plan to neutralize any member of my party in any game I play, just in case some stupid shit comes up. I will never initiate pvp, but I'll never lose either. Frick people that can't read the room lmfao.
>furry anime
>complains about no guns in a fantasy setting
definitely not going to read your manifesto, frick off furhomosexual
>a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
So, genderswapped Naruto?
>party consists of a weird androgynous motherfricker obsessed with magic, eldritch blast, and floating, still can't make heads or tails of him; a masked adrogynous bladesinger wizard, a druid minotaur who is the babysitter of the group and definitively good, and me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
I know the thread is bait but i'm genuinely curious: do people really make these kind of characters? The weirder shit i ever seen in d&d were a couple of guys in 2e during the 90s that made a shadow ninja, a disfugured guy with wolverine's claws and literally !ian christian nottingham from witchblade & darkness comics but nothing even remotely crazier than that
>New people join the hobby with more out there ideas for characters.
>The mechanics are no longer designed to be human-centric
>Popularity for weird races increases, more are added. Eventually they vastly outnumber the original races (let alone human)
>entire races become boiled down to tropes. All sexy characters are Tieflings, all grumpy characters are dwarves, all zany lol so random characters are goblins, all anger issues characters are orcs
>Weird races have striking visuals
>The general culture of the game is more focused on making unique OC's rather than simple characters
>Weird races often fill in mechanical niches, meaning they're very well suited to particular "builds", and making builds has become more prominent in normie spaces
>The promotional material of the game more prominently shows weird races, establishing them as 'normal' to newer players
Yea it's a mixture of all this really. Throw in a healthy dose of political activism and add some autistic of fat characters in promotional material to attract other political possessed freaks and you're good to go.
>pic
Man, it's almost like loud weirdos online aren't your core demographic...
Yes I agree, but that wasn't the point of the pic. It was to show the attitude of the game makers and how that reinforces more freaky races.
Their attitude seem to be that they think the loud minority of freaks is the majority and they're catering to them, only to find out that's not the case. I don't mind there being options, but being mad that majority of people don't pick those freak options is just delusional entitlement.
Accidently replied to myself lol
Let's be fair.
2e also had Council of Wyrms and Darksun.
Going for the crazy shit has always been on the table. It's just you need a baseline of normal to break into crazy shit from.
>see shit like this
>meanwhile my current PC is a human big game hunter, ala Van pelt from Jumanji
>lately has been embracing the weirder side of shit
>hates magic, but also has zero problems for people making use of it because refusing to interact with it ever is crippling to the point of idiocy. He's pragmatic if nothing else.
>after, with some assistance, crafting a vest with the power to channel beasts(magical or otherwise) and sue their powers, started transitioning into a sort of Kraven the Hunter-style character with a heavy focus on guns
>obtained a sword that lets me graft any body part severed with it to myself or someone else
>very first thing I did with it was take a gryphon we got ambushed by, hack it's wings it, and stick them on my back
I'm highly enjoying myself.
>meanwhile my current PC
>started transitioning
Frick off troony
I think my funniest one is a Loxodon forge cleric who acts indistinguishably from a dwarf and fully believes himself to be one because he was raised by them
i didn't finish your story because your backstory was so unbelievably gay and boring but im happy this happend to you anon have a good day!
Have you tried not playing D&D?
i like how nobody can talking about playing 5e anymore without including a disclaimer about how they don't REALLY want to play it, they just don't have a choice
Of course they can talk about it without a disclaimer.
They just want a shield against criticism for posting outside the literal thousands of containment generals, forums, and social servers.
It's intentionally inflammatory to people who want to discuss other games, yet they get away with it because they must be protected at all costs.
Blame normies thinking that 5e is the only TTRPG in the world.
Seriously, I try to get people into VtM, cyberpunk, hell even pathfinder and they all say no
I have the same issue with 3.5e (i'm a xillenial that started with rules cyclopedia and 2e), that fricking edition brainrot all my age adjacent peers irremediably, i literally struggled for years in introducing different games to them but here i am 20-fricking-years still having to beg them into playing something else (that, of course, I have to run, the last time i actual PLAYED in a non-d&d game i was a teenager).
>me, a rogue/shadow sorc kitsune who is unkowningly possessed by an ancient demigod that is using her body as an incubator
Stopped reading there. You are the problem.