I heard Ganker was warming up to Twilight Princess after all this time. Can any anons confirm? it's about time those who praise Ocarina of Time to acknowledge TP as well honestly.
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I heard Ganker was warming up to Twilight Princess after all this time. Can any anons confirm? it's about time those who praise Ocarina of Time to acknowledge TP as well honestly.
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OoT was mostly praised because it was a technological revolution at the time, TP isn't
diferent things realy
TP is what OoT couldn't do.
There's SS, but nobody cares.
No. Long shitty intro, shit wolf mode, unappealing graphics and designs, can't chooce dungeon order, lot of unnessecary dialogue and handholding, was not impressive at the time or now. Game like ww tried to at least do its own thing.
the intro is god tier though, it beats the barebones nothing burger of OoT. the transformation is the most versatile in the series too.
>nothing burger
Kys
>most verstile transformation
How about no transformations
Cope
I wish transformations from masks or rings would come back, but I dont want to have to equip them to face buttons. They should just integrate with Link automatically.
bait
I can tell these people never played it
Agree, replaying the whole series and everything between MM and BotW is completely mediocre, the praise TP gets here is bizarre. WW gets points for cozy art style and killer music as well as being able to knock weapons from enemies hands but is hilariously easy, simple dungeons, and for some reason the lighting seems more dynamic and interesting on 64 releases
Genuinely how can you enjoy enduring such a drawn out intro. Oot has one of the greatest introductions in gaming, it gives you a playground to test out all the mechanics with comparatively little dialogue. You're just wrong, it's not a matter of opinion
>enduring
you're looking at it the wrong way. it's very immersive and there's a lot of variety in the moment to moment gameplay.
it's more like how can't you find yourself enjoying something so engaging.
>it gives you a playground
then I missed the memo there? all you do is crawl through a hole to retrieve a sword, then grind 40 rupees out. it's pretty damn boring. nothing is happening!
It's totally open and you can experiment organically with every single mechanic instead of being railroaded through tutorials. It's an absolute masterclass in introducing the gaming world.
>so engaging
Lmfao not even a little bit
>defending a full 30 minute tutorial
Give me a fricking break lmao. This isn't the only problem with the game, mind you, the combat and the most important thing, the dungeons, are a snorefest, and the wolf mechanics break the game up into awkward seperate chunks.
>It's an absolute masterclass in introducing the gaming world.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING, you braindead Black person.
you get more experimentation with more mechanics in TP. you're on a horse within two minutes, and you can't even ride one in OoT half the time.
>defending a full 30 minute tutorial
what in the frick are you talking about, there's only a two minute tutorial for the sword, and a two minute tutorial for the slingshot. the sidecharacters interject comments while it happens showing off some personality too.
you only have to get 30 rupees for the slingshot even. you also get to run through the woods exploring and sword fighting, and Midna never stops the player the entire game to tell you anything.
Give ME the break, I fricking deserve it.
I think I found the problem, you need to be told exactly what to do. You aren't open to experimenting in TP, you are railroaded into long winded tutorials. In OoT you are open to run around a playground designed for you to approach and practice everything you will use in the game if you so want. Try to put yourself in the shoes of someone experience the game for the very first time.
>what the frick are you talking about
It takes ages to get out of the town and waaaay longer to get to the first dungeon, in OoT you can get to the first dungeon in a matter of minutes. You are being dishonest.
Its ok if you like the game. I think it kinda sucks dick and am happy Nintendo dropped the formula.
>I think I found the problem, you need to be told exactly what to do.
swing and a miss
OoT is boring and barebones, I do not like it sam i am
we dont need a tutorial for the slingshot. oot was so much more elegant in locking you in a room with it.
meh, that stuff is overrated. TP was envisioned as a Wii game, so it makes complete sense to be motion aiming at the start just in case.
>TP was envisioned as a Wii game
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>the game that was ported to the wii last minute. so hastily done that they flipped EVERYTHING
>envisioned as a wii game
moron, it launched on Wii months before GC, and it's a motion control console.
stop trying to skirt the issue. be a man.
they didnt want to cannibalize wii sales
>months
Two weeks is not months. And it was done only so that they didn't sabotage their newly released console at the start of the holiday shopping season.
The game was still originally designed for GameCube and hastily ported to Wii late through development.
>TP was envisioned as a Wii game
The Wii version doesn't even have camera controls and the aiming cursor is a random tacked-on fairy with no plot explanation or relevance. It's blatantly a last minute port.
its clear that twilight princess was one of your first video games and you feel insecure about how othe rpeople feel about it, so you stoop to shitting on OOT's totally inoffensive tutorial.
>was one of your first video games
miss again, I played TP after OoT, MM, WW, LA, LTTP, and OoA.
>Genuinely how can you enjoy enduring such a drawn out intro.
I have never understood why so many people complain about the intro. How fricked up with ADHD are zoomies that they can’t sit still for 30 minutes AT MOST while they are still actively engaged with mechanics the whole time (and not just watching a cutscene like in every AAA Sony game). And it goes faster if you’ve played it before and know the sequence shortcuts. AND if it still bothers you that much, just make a fricking save copy after the tutorial and pick up from there on subsequent playthroughs.
what really bugs me is when people defend Wind Waker, when it's so much worse in the beginning of the game department.
TP is even easier than WW
sounds like you understand just fine and are butthurt about common 20 year old takes from 'ADHD zoomies' for not liking zelda if it was made by sony
>everything between MM and BotW is completely mediocre
I liked the 2D games from that epoch:
Oracles, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, ALBW and Tri Force Heroes were very fun.
I'd call 2001-2010 the golden age of 2D Zelda.
But that era seems to be over. 9 years since TFH, and 11 since a proper single-player 2D game.
How is the Wii version?
Jeez, that "Sims 2" art style didn't age well.
It’s just such a bland shitty game. Every other Zelda game has some kind of USP, Twilight Princess is just the most drab action adventure ever made. The idea of replaying it makes me want to set fire to my apartment
I’ve always liked TP, it’s a phenomenal game
It's got both the coolest Link and the coolest trailer. I certainly did enjoy it way more than TotK.
Is the wii the original or the GC one?
Gamecube is the original but they released simultaneously they just held back the GCN version.
how long does it take to get to the first dungeon in Majora's Mask? an hour and half? TP only takes an hour.
Though somehow TP's miserable slog of an intro feels hours longer, the dungeons aren't worth getting to, and the game never gets much better other than Midna being hot.
not even that long if you know what youre doing
i like it but im tired of people acting like its flawless, especially gays like that one guy in this thread who shit on oot to lift it up.
Real homies know its been a longstanding observation on Ganker that the newest Zelda is always trash and the older ones were better. Twilight Princess was shit on release, now its awesome. SS sucked on release, now the Groose is loose.
Your already seeing this with TOTK making people be kinder on BOTW.
frick off with this moronic meme, homosexual. no one praised SS when BotW came out. SS sucked at release and still sucks today.
>newbie desperately denying it
Zoomies really love doing this these days idk why.
True, and say what you will about BotW but it was obvious from the previous 3 releases that the formula was desperately in need of shaking up
And now we have TOTK, showing that the team making these games needs shaking up too.
No, SS is definitely still the worst 3D Zelda.
And personally, my opinion of BOTW didn't increase, TOTK was just worse. Or rather, not worth finishing.
SS is still the worst game in the series. TOTK at least lets me stare at Riju' sexy stomach.
The Zelda franchise should have grown up with its audience. TP was the right direction, while Windwaker seemed to want a younger demographic. BoTW should have been a new IP with nothing to do with Zelda.
OoT is only praised because of its novelty at the time, not because of the quality of the game itself.
I'm playing it now as my first Zelda game, I skipped OoT because it honestly looks like shit and I just don't see anything interesting enough to make me put up with it, sorry boomers.
You're in for a treat, it's perfect as a first Zelda. It's also a quintessential game, with the series' highs sprinkled throughout the adventure.
I'm 6 hours in and I like it so far, I don't get the complaints ITT.
Imp Midna is unironically 40 pounds of pussy and ass. She's just floating drumsticks with a smug single fang grin. That's not even artists exaggerating it, her body mass is actually 80% in her cheeks, thighs, and pot belly. She's not a pear, she's a lightbulb. They had to know exactly what the frick they were doing. I refuse to believe otherwise. People being creepy frickers and sexualizing the Inklings and the bird girl from Wind Waker and all that shit, sure, that's on the fans. But Midna being a forty pound pussy that grinds on top of Link's head and bosses him around is 100% on Nintendo. Her imp form was actually MORE sexualized than her true form, which is astonishing since her true form is literally a completely naked woman in harem silks with black bodypaint covering over her bits.
I almost had a girlfriend like that, but I acted really weird and stuff. oh well
Midna ass
8.8
Most based post in the entire thread. Also, this is when Gamespot died. If you know, you know.
I never understood the meltdown over this. It's a good score.
Then that means you don't understand how hyped TP was at the time. It was propped up to basically be the second coming of Christ, a return to form from the baby artstyle of WW and a true successor to OoT. The E3 reveal was arguably the biggest reaction in the conference's history, even the PS4 price reveal wasn't quite on its level. It's no hyperbole to say that Twilight Princess was one of the biggest pre-release hype cycles of all time, and anything less than God's breath out of 10 was blasphemy. Ironically, 8.8 is a very fair score for what is a very solid game.
No, no matter how much you spam Toilet princess praise threads, it's still irredeemable shit
imagine
>going out of your way to officialise a bunch of lore and a timeline between games
>publish a whole book about it
>you 15y anniversary game uravel the very start and foundation of said timeline
and then afiew years later
>do nothing of the very good tech demo on WiiU leaving the licence aside
and then another fiew years after
>throw it all out of the windows and put in a blender every past reference to be lazily reused for a new game that put an end to a legacy
>going out of your way to officialise a bunch of lore and a timeline between games
>uravel the very start and foundation of said game
They never actually cared, Aonuma just wanted to throw out things that were too complicated for his toddler-level brain.
baby duck syndrome.
Twilight Princess has always been kino saved by Midna and the 5 later dungeons. Not as good as OoT, but still good.
midnass
Midna is the worst character and gameplay mechanic in the series and the game insists on her being the main character instead of Link or Zelda. It's shit. The humans look like African monsters with deformed faces. It's shit. The combat is brain dead and most of your arsenal is completely useless by the end of the game and only serve a purpose in specific areas to the point they may as well just be keys. It's shit. There are only two remotely good dungeons and even they follow the formula of "go to middle room then go to side room then go to middle room four times." It's shit.
Twilight Princess is and always has been shit. Even Skyward Sword is better, and that game is also shit. Twilight Princess is Densetsu no Kusoge. Midna is an obnoxious Mary Sue, Zant is wasted, the menus are bad, the characters are ugly, the dungeons are repetitive, it tries to be mature and dark but comes across as extremely juvenile and sophomoric, it's just shit and it will never stop being shit. It's shit.
It's more like it's time to stop praising OOT and admit how fricking badly it has aged.
i replayed it a few months ago and it has aged wonderfully
Poorly. Badness implies villainy or chicanery. OoT has aged poorly, but it is not an evil game.
moron. you can say badly there.
he has to be baiting at this point
>moron. you can say badly there.
No you can't. Just state the game has aged poorly rather than trying to justify the poor education you received. If you insist on referring to something as "bad", refer to me as bad for not putting up with your shit.
t. badass
its not technically correct but we are in an informal setting so his wording was acceptable
I would hate the idea of anyone who enjoys 3d Zelda. What kinda of fat moron are we speaking about here?
Surely someone remembers
>8.8
Truly the first TORtanic.
It was too high then, it's too high now.
Hideously, I think I even like SS more than TP now that they've removed the rough motion controls.
SS has worse problems thanTP that go beyond the rough motion controls.
ALTTP and OOT are some of the best games ever made. ALTTP is underrated these days.
I could never get into OoT honestly. It has a lot of charm and it's certainly impressive for its day, but I like altttp a lot more.
I totally get it. ALTTP is a great great game. Its pure classic fantasy/adventure.
8.8 is a fair score for TP.
I'd give it an 7 to 8 myself
Twilight Princess is peak 3D Zelda
oot > ww > mm > tp > botw > totk >>> ss
Twilight Princess needs a 1.2 update with new dungeons, specializations, open world enemies and a gadget overhaul. Great game waiting to be finished
>Great game waiting to be finished
Is there any 3D Zelda this doesn't apply to?
OOT, MM, SS, BOTW, and TOTK felt finished.
The latter three were still shit despite being "finished".
No amount of delays and polish can fix something if its core foundations are a turd.
totk didnt give me the repopulation harem sex simulator that it promised me
>OOT, MM, SS, BOTW, and TOTK felt finished.
TotK is obviously unfinished. BotW needed DLC a few months later. The rest were indeed complete at launch.
botw DLC is just a few extra shrines and a motorcycle. It didnt "need it." TOTK is finished by moronic and stupid in every way.
It's time to admit Zelda was never good and the only reason millennials like it is because they played it as kids same as zoomers with botw
I actually did not like Zelda as a kid and only came to appreciate it in my 20s.
Cool, now condemn nu-link. You won't.
CARNEVALE...
>Carnevale is an Italian word derived from the Latin expressions carnis (meaning meat or flesh; ablative: carne) and "levare" (meaning remove). So "carnevale" means literally "remove meat".
Lmao, based
What do you mean, "nu-link?"
I'd appreciate it if all these false premise TP threads would stop cropping up. I love the game and all but come on, there's more sincere ways to talk about it.
its impossible to discuss anything with sincerity on Ganker these days. you have to bait and rile up anger to get any replies. go ahead. try making a sincere thread
There's no way I can sit through all those fricking cutscenes again. I've tried, and I put the game down before getting to the fun parts.
OoT do be like that
You do realize EVERY cutscene in twlight princess is skippable, yes?
Am I missing out on much if I play the wii version over the wii u version?
no what kind of question is that
Not too much. Some nice QoL touches and a shitty additional wolf dungeon. It's not as substantial a remake as WW HD, but TP also isn't nearly as in need of fixing either. It does add Hero Mode though, which is nice.