I was surprised you didn't post that one first. Say what you will about the zoomer glass side panel, but it >isn't even that ugly if you don't fill your case with a laser light show >isn't what you're gonna be looking at while you use the damn thing anyways
plus >my cat likes to sit next to it and watch the fans spin
3 months ago
Anonymous
Still glass, still fragile. An impact that would give metal a tiny dent would shatter that stupid thing to bits.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Still glass, still fragile. An impact
What.In.The.Frick are you doing your computers?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sometimes you have to open it to clean, or decide to move it. Those are the dangerous moments.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah if you decide to kick the panels instead of using your hands like a non mongoloid >you're the reason we can't have nice things
3 months ago
Anonymous
???
if you gonna drop / bump / kick / punch your PC to the point the glass panel breaks, you gonna damage a more expensive componant than your
case.
IDK about every case, but mine has a very simple way to remove the glass panels and i put them aside when cleaning... and these panals are tempered glass... if i broke them while moving the PC then something way more expensive would be broken.
you must be using a case from the 1990s. i remember them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Got that case myself. The black one, the glass is so tinted that without lights you can't see shit anyway. I can barely make out a few of the studs on the top of my cpu cooler and that's it.
That said, 4000d has interchangable doors anyway, so you can just put the glass one in the back instead, or buy a second normal from corsair and use the glass as a dorito's tray or something.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Got that case myself. The black one, the glass is so tinted that without lights you can't see shit anyway. I can barely make out a few of the studs on the top of my cpu cooler and that's it.
That said, 4000d has interchangable doors anyway, so you can just put the glass one in the back instead, or buy a second normal from corsair and use the glass as a dorito's tray or something.
Is it a good case? It's high on the list cases I'm considering.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Excellent IMO. Plenty of space, easy to maintain, some of the shit on the inside can be moved/removed for more work space/cooler room, etc, nice and weighty and vibration-isolated if you keep it on the desk, etc. Only real thing it's "lacking" is room for external drives. Not the case for you if you need one. I'd like a half-inch or so more in the back door for cabling, but there's still more than enough space there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Neat, thanks
3 months ago
Anonymous
If you're buying an RTX card, be VERY sure that it properly fits in your mid-tower case the way you want.
Otherwise you're in for a lot of pain like me
3 months ago
Anonymous
Good point. I have a two-fan rtx myself, and it's fine, just as long as the MB itself.
A monster that needs space for three fans might be a bit tight, depending on what you're putting in for front cooling.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m very happy with mine. It’s the best case I’ve ever owned, honestly. No sharp corners, plenty of thumbscrews and a lot of dedicated cable management space behind the back panel. Even comes with a few cable ties. The only downside with this case is the lack of drive bays as the other anon mentioned.
I found it on sale before Christmas with a few fans bundled. I could throw a couple more fans in there but just haven’t bothered to yet; everything in there stays cold enough as is.
I have a weird setup in mine, too. I moved most of my stuff out of a SFF build since I wanted more room for a graphics card, so I have an SFX power supply and an ITX motherboard in there. It was still easy to get everything put in place despite all that.
>Here you go, enjoy having your glass side panel inevitably combust.
I wouldn't have taken issue with any of your posts if this was just an aesthetic preference of yours but wtf lol?
Fractal does make great cases, but that's not one of their best cases imo.
I was using a Node 202 myself up until just recently. It was a pain in the ass to build in, even with a modular power supply, but having a console-sized PC that was able to keep up with new AAA releases for a few years was fun. It's out of commission for now but will probably see new life as a HTPC eventually. I ran an RTX 2060 and a Ryzen 5 in there.
They funny part is that only people with short attention spans would be distracted by something like that, not move it out of sight, not make it a static dim color of their choice, or disable lights altogether. Being offended by this is the sign of a weak person, not the other way around.
Are you moronic? Unironically. Do you look at your case or the monitor? troony.
Same for the RGB lights that you hate. I literally never look at them or don't know they exist until I remember to do my monthly pc cleanup
>Modded Skyrim >system intensive
Joking right? The one thing skyrim has going for it is that it's been heavily optimized over the past 20 years of its development so you can run it at ultra on a microwave. If you build a PC around trying to run skyrim you're going to build a PC that can run nothing
Don't download shitty pajeet-made coomermods and yes actually it is optimized
Heavily modded Skyrim builds can be limited to 60fps or less even on high end modern systems. We're not talking 4 or 5 QOL mods here. Some people run curated lists of hundreds of mods which completely transform the visuals and add a bunch of content. That's what that guy was talking about when he said modded Skyrim. Just admit you decided to reply to his post without knowing what you were talking about.
>Modded Skyrim.
This. My setup right now includes third party ray tracing hooks. My 4090 renders this location at 48fps using 21.9GB of Vram. Yes.
Wish I could have as much fun as you guys do with Skyrim still. I feel like I've squeezed all the blood out of that stone that I possibly can, but I also admittedly haven't really paid much attention to the mod scene for like ten years.
Yeah I barely actually play it if I was to be brutally honest. I get my kicks making it do shit it was never designed to do. And then I walk around and soak up the atmosphere. Ray traced weather effects in the middle of a mage laser light battle are great.
Cyberpunk2077
The Ascent
troony Fantasy 16
Control
Those are some games that will look great maxed out and are at least somewhat enjoyable to play. Didn't include pozzed sequels, or cashgrab rereleases and remasters. Also didn't include broken pieces of shit optimized by pajeets and snoyboy moviegames.
Cyberpunk is fricking brilliantly optimized, what the frick are you smoking? It has very consistent framerates, regardless of whether they are high or low. And if you have a high end system you can push 200 FPS without ray tracing, that's practically unheard of in a game that recent. And if you do enable raytracing, it's one of the most optimized RT implementations there is. The fact that you can get a smooth 60fps with full path-traced rendering is remarkable.
A game doesn't have to run on 2 generations old hardware to be considered well-optimized. It's a high-end game with high requirements for running it well. It's still incredibly well-optimized for what it is. There is virtually no stuttering at all and there are no performance issues given adequate hardware.
Monster Hunter World is more taxing than I expected in 4k. I still set a cap at 90fps but it still pulls a lot of watts. It’s my first MH game besides Wild Hearts, only a few hours in but I can tell it’s the best MH game they made.
It's not the most hardware-intensive game that came out last year, but you should try Armored Core VI. It's a very pretty game imo. It was also my GOTY.
I never got the attraction of in-wienerpit view. Your eye doesn't focus the same way across a screen as it does on 3D objects, so you are basically just larping by covering 3/4s of your screen. It's just weird.
My current card is a 1080 ti, I just bought the new amd 7950. My mb got fried and if i had to get a new motherboard anyway im moving on from intel judaism. I have no idea what gpu to get I'm a little hesitant to buy a new one.
When I get a new GPU the first thing I'm going to do is play Arkham Knight on ultra, then DMC5 on ultra, then nu Doom, then go back to playing shit that I absolutely don't need a 4070s for.
I know for a fact that OP's specs are good enough to play modern games on high with silky smooth 60 fps, while morons outright say it's good if you want to browse youtube
>board about a particular hobby expects people to have the proper equipment to fully appreciate the best visuals the hobby has to offer
frick off poorgay
This. I'm on a 4060 and R5 5600 and it gives me a good experience. I'll sell the 4060 and buy a 5060ti in 6-9 months and keep getting a good experience for the least money. >Inb4 switch to AMD GPU
Shit re-sell value and would need to pay for a new PSU so would cost me more in the long run.
>I feal like a peasant running games at 4k at 60FPS on Ultra. i thought homies running 4k 255hz now. >meanwhile I still game on a PC from 2011
I wish I was born with loads of money
>>bro, if your pc can't run games in 4k 60fps on ultra, it's fricking dogshit
It isn't dogshit, it's just no better than a console which would have costed half the price.
Seems like a good price. Do you know how to build a PC yourself? Are you comfortable fault diagnosing? I'd request to be able to test before you buy. Open HWMonitor or HWinfo and check if all the parts are as described, next run a benchmark like Heaven and check temps and fans (listen for weird fan noises). If all is good I'd buy.
Is that AM4 motherboard? Less long term upgrade potential if that matters to you. Also you should get an AMD CPU compatible motherboard the CPU's are cheaper and last longer.
i literally bought a $400 build on craigslist. 11700k and 3060ti, 16gb of ram, 1tb hdd 500ssd, whatever.
there's nothing icant play.
your GPU cost 2x my computer and you dont even know what to fricking play on it.
how's this - only upgrade when you feel like there's a game you want to play that you can't?how's thaT? instead of asking random strangers to give you something "intensive" to "benchmark" and "show off" with
you cant even think of a game to play
frick you
embarrassment
this is why marketing to dumb morons like you who cant think for yourself wins
>have all the parts for a computer >just need to buy case and fans >trying to figure out which drives to put in, have a shit ton from my old build and a shit ton from my dead brother, but haven't been able to crack his MS account and get into his computer yet
abstract feels.
Temps are the exact same for 2 years now. Right now i'm sitting at 38c with a million google tabs open. GPU never comes close to 70c even playing Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out
>glass side panel
problem, officer?
t. zoom zoom
Here you go, enjoy having your glass side panel inevitably combust.
he's got a full ATX board, that case is too small
Here's the goat case for less than $100 and no zoomer glass side panel.
I was surprised you didn't post that one first. Say what you will about the zoomer glass side panel, but it
>isn't even that ugly if you don't fill your case with a laser light show
>isn't what you're gonna be looking at while you use the damn thing anyways
plus
>my cat likes to sit next to it and watch the fans spin
Still glass, still fragile. An impact that would give metal a tiny dent would shatter that stupid thing to bits.
>Still glass, still fragile. An impact
What.In.The.Frick are you doing your computers?
Sometimes you have to open it to clean, or decide to move it. Those are the dangerous moments.
yeah if you decide to kick the panels instead of using your hands like a non mongoloid
>you're the reason we can't have nice things
???
if you gonna drop / bump / kick / punch your PC to the point the glass panel breaks, you gonna damage a more expensive componant than your
case.
IDK about every case, but mine has a very simple way to remove the glass panels and i put them aside when cleaning... and these panals are tempered glass... if i broke them while moving the PC then something way more expensive would be broken.
you must be using a case from the 1990s. i remember them.
Got that case myself. The black one, the glass is so tinted that without lights you can't see shit anyway. I can barely make out a few of the studs on the top of my cpu cooler and that's it.
That said, 4000d has interchangable doors anyway, so you can just put the glass one in the back instead, or buy a second normal from corsair and use the glass as a dorito's tray or something.
Is it a good case? It's high on the list cases I'm considering.
Excellent IMO. Plenty of space, easy to maintain, some of the shit on the inside can be moved/removed for more work space/cooler room, etc, nice and weighty and vibration-isolated if you keep it on the desk, etc. Only real thing it's "lacking" is room for external drives. Not the case for you if you need one. I'd like a half-inch or so more in the back door for cabling, but there's still more than enough space there.
Neat, thanks
If you're buying an RTX card, be VERY sure that it properly fits in your mid-tower case the way you want.
Otherwise you're in for a lot of pain like me
Good point. I have a two-fan rtx myself, and it's fine, just as long as the MB itself.
A monster that needs space for three fans might be a bit tight, depending on what you're putting in for front cooling.
I’m very happy with mine. It’s the best case I’ve ever owned, honestly. No sharp corners, plenty of thumbscrews and a lot of dedicated cable management space behind the back panel. Even comes with a few cable ties. The only downside with this case is the lack of drive bays as the other anon mentioned.
I found it on sale before Christmas with a few fans bundled. I could throw a couple more fans in there but just haven’t bothered to yet; everything in there stays cold enough as is.
I have a weird setup in mine, too. I moved most of my stuff out of a SFF build since I wanted more room for a graphics card, so I have an SFX power supply and an ITX motherboard in there. It was still easy to get everything put in place despite all that.
>Here you go, enjoy having your glass side panel inevitably combust.
I wouldn't have taken issue with any of your posts if this was just an aesthetic preference of yours but wtf lol?
Fractal does make great cases, but that's not one of their best cases imo.
Their best cases are the torrents but newegg only has the zoomer ones available at the moment.
I was using a Node 202 myself up until just recently. It was a pain in the ass to build in, even with a modular power supply, but having a console-sized PC that was able to keep up with new AAA releases for a few years was fun. It's out of commission for now but will probably see new life as a HTPC eventually. I ran an RTX 2060 and a Ryzen 5 in there.
>enjoy having your glass side panel inevitably combust
what the frick do you think glass is Black person?
Find me a case that doesn't have one, isn't 20 years, and doesn't cost over $100
a lot of cases have glass or regular side-panel options.
if it doesn't don't buy it.
They funny part is that only people with short attention spans would be distracted by something like that, not move it out of sight, not make it a static dim color of their choice, or disable lights altogether. Being offended by this is the sign of a weak person, not the other way around.
It's a nice reminder for me to dust it.
You gotta pay like 200 bucks for metal case.
Are you moronic? Unironically. Do you look at your case or the monitor? troony.
Same for the RGB lights that you hate. I literally never look at them or don't know they exist until I remember to do my monthly pc cleanup
Cyberpunk
Anal Wake 2
RE4make
Modded Skyrim.
Helldivers 2 if you want to fit in.
>Modded Skyrim
>system intensive
Joking right? The one thing skyrim has going for it is that it's been heavily optimized over the past 20 years of its development so you can run it at ultra on a microwave. If you build a PC around trying to run skyrim you're going to build a PC that can run nothing
>Modded Skyrim
>optimized
Good one
Don't download shitty pajeet-made coomermods and yes actually it is optimized
Oh shit you're serious
All you've done is post reaction images and "omg are u srs" so I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you.
Heavily modded Skyrim builds can be limited to 60fps or less even on high end modern systems. We're not talking 4 or 5 QOL mods here. Some people run curated lists of hundreds of mods which completely transform the visuals and add a bunch of content. That's what that guy was talking about when he said modded Skyrim. Just admit you decided to reply to his post without knowing what you were talking about.
>Modded Skyrim.
This. My setup right now includes third party ray tracing hooks. My 4090 renders this location at 48fps using 21.9GB of Vram. Yes.
Wish I could have as much fun as you guys do with Skyrim still. I feel like I've squeezed all the blood out of that stone that I possibly can, but I also admittedly haven't really paid much attention to the mod scene for like ten years.
Yeah I barely actually play it if I was to be brutally honest. I get my kicks making it do shit it was never designed to do. And then I walk around and soak up the atmosphere. Ray traced weather effects in the middle of a mage laser light battle are great.
Oblivion
what cpu and gpu ?
R5 5600 and RX 6700XT.
you aren't running shit
>nooooooooooo you need the latest and most expensive parts!
well, on that piece of shit everything will be system intensive
That config beats a PS5. He'll run whatever he wants for years to come. Not everyone has fallen for the 4k raytracineg memes.
Dumb tech illiterate mutt gay.
Microsoft flight sim
Avatar (ubislop)
They are both dogshit not even worthy of a pirate
That stealth cooler fan isn't going to last more than 5 minutes before your pc overheats.
The 5600 is a 65W cpu. It'll be fine.
It's mid-tier 65W CPU. You could probably cool it with a stock cooler from 2004.
I mean... that's not really that impressive anon.
You won't be playing any of the modern games on max, that's for sure.
>You won't be playing any of the modern games on max
Why are you lying like that?
>ps4 era games games
>barely 60 fps
>Much better CPU than anon has
Did you even watch the video you yourself posted?
should have spent less on your case to get a better graphics card.
>didn't get 7800X3D and RTX
grim
Cyberpunk2077
The Ascent
troony Fantasy 16
Control
Those are some games that will look great maxed out and are at least somewhat enjoyable to play. Didn't include pozzed sequels, or cashgrab rereleases and remasters. Also didn't include broken pieces of shit optimized by pajeets and snoyboy moviegames.
>didn't include broken pieces of shit optimized by pajeets
But you included Cyberpunk.
Nah that was optimized well enough for PC even at release. Frick your consoles.
Cyberpunk is fricking brilliantly optimized, what the frick are you smoking? It has very consistent framerates, regardless of whether they are high or low. And if you have a high end system you can push 200 FPS without ray tracing, that's practically unheard of in a game that recent. And if you do enable raytracing, it's one of the most optimized RT implementations there is. The fact that you can get a smooth 60fps with full path-traced rendering is remarkable.
What kind of crack are you smoking? I can barely get 60 frames with drops to 40 in the city on an rtx 2080ti with high settings.
A game doesn't have to run on 2 generations old hardware to be considered well-optimized. It's a high-end game with high requirements for running it well. It's still incredibly well-optimized for what it is. There is virtually no stuttering at all and there are no performance issues given adequate hardware.
2 generations? Cyberpunk launched 3 months after the release of the 30 series.
BeamNG with everything turned up and lots of AI cars
>red leds
we warned you
Reds are fine for more performance at the cost of heat. It's yellows that you never want to use.
Under the Witch
both versions
if your PC can't run TERRIBLY optimized chink porn games it's not a proper PC
> this game
Shame it's rather short and repetitive content-wise. Not really into the fart and smell fetish but the forced orgasm scenes are kino.
New content NEVER fricking EVER
What specs, gayget
modded minecraft
don't forget the shaders
gentoo
Monster Hunter World is more taxing than I expected in 4k. I still set a cap at 90fps but it still pulls a lot of watts. It’s my first MH game besides Wild Hearts, only a few hours in but I can tell it’s the best MH game they made.
It's not the most hardware-intensive game that came out last year, but you should try Armored Core VI. It's a very pretty game imo. It was also my GOTY.
Dragons Dogma 2 probably heavy ass game with all the drm shit
Microsoft Flight Sim 2020
Xplane 12
Quake 3 Arena
Three Kingdom
Not really clear to see but it seems your rear exhaust fan is mounted the wrong way around. Please put a heat sink on your SSD.
Then again playing "system intensive games" with these specs is gonna suck either way.
Triple screen gaming
I never got the attraction of in-wienerpit view. Your eye doesn't focus the same way across a screen as it does on 3D objects, so you are basically just larping by covering 3/4s of your screen. It's just weird.
>he doesn't appreciate interiors
alan wake II
cyberpunk
ark survival evolved
uncharted
tlou part i
jedi survivor
I just bought a 7900 XTX to replace my 1080ti, what am I in for?
>rtx 4080 performance with more v-ram and a bigger memory bus
Good choice my man.
>radeon anti-lag
how nice of them not to include the drivers
very good idle power consumption while you browse Ganker for 8 hours.
>very good idle power consumption
Not if you run 2+ monitors
Good card, but there are no games to play other than DD2.
You don't need a 7900XTX to play a 30 fps slideshow LMAO.
30fps limit is only for consoles you peabrain moron
I went for the fattie. Really good card. Feels good knowing I won't have to stress about DD2 at full pelt.
BASED AMD bro. How do you like it?
A lot. It's seriously good. Very quiet, too
My current card is a 1080 ti, I just bought the new amd 7950. My mb got fried and if i had to get a new motherboard anyway im moving on from intel judaism. I have no idea what gpu to get I'm a little hesitant to buy a new one.
if you're tight on money grab a used 6600 XT or maybe a 7800 XT depending on your funds. They're great cards.
Would the 6600 really be better than my 1080?
RGB cancer is taking over the world and you're complaining about glass side panels.
Yeah, RGB doesn't shatter in a million pieces when you look at it funny.
The RGB fad has been dying for a few years now though.
When I get a new GPU the first thing I'm going to do is play Arkham Knight on ultra, then DMC5 on ultra, then nu Doom, then go back to playing shit that I absolutely don't need a 4070s for.
>DMC5
>nu Doom
You don't need a high tier GPU for these games.
I have a 1660.
Crysis
Why is it so hard to find a modern case that has usb ports and headphone jack in the front?
I blame AirPod people. They get all horny when they can't see any ports on a piece of electronics.
>have to carry a usb-c to aux dongle anywhere now
FRICK apple.
>I just built a new PC. Recommend me some system intensive games.
I recommend you KYS.
Unironically Starfield. That RTGI will really test your card.
It'll also test your sanity and your faith in the video games industry.
Ganker homosexuals are like
>bro, if your pc can't run games in 4k 60fps on ultra, it's fricking dogshit
I hate this fricking board
literally no one here said that, frogBlack person.
have a nice day
Black person
none of those comments amount to anything arguing what you postulated. You're just making things up to get mad at moron
I know for a fact that OP's specs are good enough to play modern games on high with silky smooth 60 fps, while morons outright say it's good if you want to browse youtube
no one "outright" said that at all. Take a break from the internet
you're hyperbolizing like the shitposters now
*540p native
**interpolated 15fps
then go back to your r/sub, homosexual.
>board about a particular hobby expects people to have the proper equipment to fully appreciate the best visuals the hobby has to offer
frick off poorgay
This. I'm on a 4060 and R5 5600 and it gives me a good experience. I'll sell the 4060 and buy a 5060ti in 6-9 months and keep getting a good experience for the least money.
>Inb4 switch to AMD GPU
Shit re-sell value and would need to pay for a new PSU so would cost me more in the long run.
>Ganker homosexuals are like
>>bro, if your pc can't run games in 4k 60fps on ultra, it's fricking dogshit
>I hate this fricking board
I feal like a peasant running games at 4k at 60FPS on Ultra. i thought homies running 4k 255hz now.
>I feal like a peasant running games at 4k at 60FPS on Ultra. i thought homies running 4k 255hz now.
>meanwhile I still game on a PC from 2011
I wish I was born with loads of money
>has good job that requires decent PC when working from home.
>gets told by looser living with parents that he wished he was born with money.
>laughs
>gaming on the same PC you use for working
bruh
>>bro, if your pc can't run games in 4k 60fps on ultra, it's fricking dogshit
It isn't dogshit, it's just no better than a console which would have costed half the price.
I'm putting a new SSD in my build so I can have a seperate Linux Mint drive. Fricking microwiener putting shit on my pc without me wanting it.
Just use the LTSC version son.
cool pc, but for the love of god put it on the floor instead of the desk
Ready or Not
Paleworld
>550w PSU
minecraft
Isn't that the cheapest psu line from corsair that is prone to faults and are 550w enough for the system?
Is it a good idea to buy a used pc?
I found this one for $500
Processor Intel Core i911900K
Motherboard ASUS PRIME Z590-P
MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X OC 12GB GDDR6
RAM DDR4 Corsair 32GB 3600MHz CL18 Vengeance RGB PRO
CPU Cooler Endorfy Fortis 5 ARGB
SSD ADATA 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe XPG SX820 0 Pro
Chieftec power supply A90 750W 80 Plus Gold
ENDORFY Ventum 200 ARGB Gaming Case
I've had a lot of bad luck with Asus motherboards
Seems like a good price. Do you know how to build a PC yourself? Are you comfortable fault diagnosing? I'd request to be able to test before you buy. Open HWMonitor or HWinfo and check if all the parts are as described, next run a benchmark like Heaven and check temps and fans (listen for weird fan noises). If all is good I'd buy.
Is that AM4 motherboard? Less long term upgrade potential if that matters to you. Also you should get an AMD CPU compatible motherboard the CPU's are cheaper and last longer.
recent build
i hate idiots like you.
i literally bought a $400 build on craigslist. 11700k and 3060ti, 16gb of ram, 1tb hdd 500ssd, whatever.
there's nothing icant play.
your GPU cost 2x my computer and you dont even know what to fricking play on it.
how's this - only upgrade when you feel like there's a game you want to play that you can't?how's thaT? instead of asking random strangers to give you something "intensive" to "benchmark" and "show off" with
you cant even think of a game to play
frick you
embarrassment
this is why marketing to dumb morons like you who cant think for yourself wins
i play plenty
Redfall
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
I've heard that there isn't any consistently good motherboard brand and that quality is all over the place. Why is this the case?
consumers can't tell the difference so manufacturers try as hard as they can to get away with shit quality
>have all the parts for a computer
>just need to buy case and fans
>trying to figure out which drives to put in, have a shit ton from my old build and a shit ton from my dead brother, but haven't been able to crack his MS account and get into his computer yet
abstract feels.
What happened to your brother?
Unless he has the drives encrypted, you can just access them by not booting from his drive.
No games that are worth playing are system intensive
is it bad that I rarely remove dust from my PC?
Temps are the exact same for 2 years now. Right now i'm sitting at 38c with a million google tabs open. GPU never comes close to 70c even playing Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out
If you have good filters on your intakes and keep a clean house dust shouldn't really be a problem.
modded stalker
Cable management simulator
modern cases have so many built in slots and velcro-ties now.
jackie chan